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I would like to present to you that this idea is also a basic concept in the Bible. But
here are some more verses from the Quran that alludes to the charge given to Adam,
the first man on the earth. Now I do not know which particular translations are
acceptable to you, but I will do the best I can. These show that the Quran states that
God made Adam to be the caretaker and make decisions for the earth, on the earth.
But in agreement with the Bible account, he allowed himself to be taken away from
obeying God.

“Thy Lord said to the angels: 'I will create a vicegerent on earth.’”—Al-Baqarah

“He Who has made everything which He has created Most Good: He began
the creation of man with (nothing more than) clay . . . But He fashioned him in due
proportion, and breathed into him something of His spirit.”—Al-Sajdah [32]:7, 9.

“Surely We created man of the best stature.”—Al-Tīn [95]

“We said: ‘O Adam! dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden; and eat of the bountiful
things therein as (where and when) ye will; but approach not this tree, or ye run into
harm and transgression.’”—Al-Baqarah [2]:35.

“Gardens of Eden underneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide for ever.”—
Ṭa-Ha [20]:76.

“Then did Satan make them slip from the (Garden), and get them out of the state (of
felicity) in which they had been.”—Al-Baqarah [2]:36.

“Thus did Adam disobey his Lord, and allow himself to be seduced.”—Ṭa-Ha


May I ask you, though, where you get this phrase of "original idea"?



Thank you for Quoting so many Quranic Verses on the subject of Adam. I mentioned
only one verse, since we agreed to go to one point at a time.

I mentioned that it is an "Original Idea" because there is no such Idea in Bible that
humans were to be Vicegerent on earth. It spoke about his dominion and power but
not this term.

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You could say that it was implied. But how our prophet who did not know how to
read and write got such a deep knowledge about Bible without any human teacher?

Shall I proceed to the next point in our discussion?

[QUOTE who="Dave"]

Q. 3

Correct me if I’m wrong, but Allah supposedly loves all the people of the world
equally, but he only grants Muslims perpetual ownership of land?



Yes Allah loves all His Creations, and probably you do not know what Muslim

A Muslim means one who submits his or her will to Allah. Therefore all prophets
were muslims and so were their dedicated followers.

And Allah says that “Our righteous servants shall inherit the earth” (the same thing as
said by David and Jesus “Meek shall inherit the earth”).

God distributes His Earth to whomsoever He wishes, but we do not know what is His
Will and what is His Wish.

So we stick to any land that He gives or gave us at any period of our history.

Lest we should be branded as ones who squandered the Gift from Allah.

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[QUOTE who="Shielaa"]

Q 4

I am not making excuses I am not worshipping this name what are you talking about?
You asked me to explain this name I never said I believed in it. Before you accuse me
make sure you know what you are talking about. I can prove that the name allah was a
moon god so don't start on me. This name Jehovah is used by JW's. I am not a JW so
get your facts right!!!!!


It should not come as a surprise that the word "Allah" was not something invented by
Muhammad or revealed for the first time in the Quran.

The well-known Middle East scholar H.A.R. Gibb has pointed out that the reason that
Muhammad never had to explain who Allah was in the Quran is that his listeners had
already heard about Allah long before Muhammad was ever born (Mohammedanism:
An Historical Survey, New York: Mentor Books, 1955, p.38).

Dr. Arthur Jeffery, one of the foremost Western Islamic scholars in modern times and
professor of Islamic and Middle East Studies at Columbia University, notes:

"The name Allah, as the Quran itself is witness, was well known in pre-Islamic
Arabia. Indeed, both it and its feminine form, Allat, are found not infrequently among
the theophorous names in inscriptions from North Africa" (Islam: Muhammad, and
His Religion, New York: The Liberal Arts Press, 1958, p. 85).

The word "Allah" comes from the compound Arabic word, al-ilah. Al is the definite
article "the" and ilah is an Arabic word for "god." It is not a foreign word. It is not
even the Syriac word for God. It is pure Arabic.(There is an interesting discussion of
the origins of Allah, in "Arabic Lexicographical Miscellanies" by J. Blau in the
Journal of Semitic Studies, Vol. XVII,#2, 1972, pp. 173-190).

Neither is Allah a Hebrew or Greek word for God as found in the Bible. Allah is a
purely Arabic term used in reference to an Arabian deity. Hastings' Encyclopedia of
Religion and Ethics I:326, T & T Clark, states:

'"Allah" is a proper name, applicable only to their [Arabs'] peculiar God.'

According to the Encyclopedia of Religion:

'"Allah" is a pre-Islamic name ... corresponding to the Babylonian Bel'(Encyclopedia
of Religion, I:117 Washington DC, Corpus Pub., 1979).

To be continued

For those who find it hard to believe that Allah was a pagan name for a peculiar pagan
Arabian deity in pre-Islamic times, the following quotations may be helpful:

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"Allah is found ... in Arabic inscriptions prior to Islam" (Encyclopedia Britannica,

"The Arabs, before the time of Mohammed, accepted and worshipped, after a fashion,
a supreme god called Allah" (Encyclopedia off Islam, I:302, Leiden: E.J. Brill, 1913,

"Allah was known to the pre-Islamic ... Arabs; he was one of the Meccan deities"
(Encyclopedia off Islam, I:406, ed. Gibb).

"Ilah ... appears in pre-Islamic poetry ... By frequency of usage, al-ilah was contracted
to Allah, frequently attested to in pre-Islamic poetry" (Encyclopedia off Islam,
III:1093, 1971).

"The name Allah goes back before Muhammad" (Encyclopedia of World Mythology
and Legend, I:41, Anthony Mercatante, New York, The Facts on File, 1983).

"The origin of this (Allah) goes back to pre-Muslim times. Allah is not a common
name meaning "God" (or a "god"), and the Muslim must use another word or form if
he wishes to indicate any other than his own peculiar deity" (Encyclopedia of
Religion and Ethics, I:326, Hastings).

To the testimony of the above standard reference works, we add those of such
scholars as Henry Preserved Smith of Harvard University who has stated:

"Allah was already known by name to the Arabs" (The Bible and Islam: or, The
Influence of the Old and New Testament on the Religion of Mohammed, New York,
Charles Scribner's Sons, 1897, p. 102).

Dr. Kenneth Cragg, former editor of the prestigious scholarly journal Muslim World
and an outstanding modern Western Islamic scholar, whose works are generally
published by Oxford University, comments:

"The name Allah is also evident in archeological and literary remains of pre-Islamic
Arabia" (The Call of the Minaret, New York: Oxford University Press, 1956, p. 31).

Dr. W. Montgomery Watt, who was Professor of Arabic and Islamic Studies at
Edinburgh University and Visiting Professor of Islamic studies at College de France,
Georgetown University, and the University of Toronto, has done extensive work on
the pre-Islamic concept of Allah. He concludes:

"In recent years I have become increasingly convinced that for an adequate
understanding of the career of Muhammad and the origins of Islam great importance
must be attached to the existence in Mecca of belief in Allah as a "high god." In a
sense this is a form of paganism, but it is so different from paganism as commonly
understood that it deserves separate treatment" (William Montgomery Watt,
Muhammad's Mecca, p. vii. Also see his article, "Belief in a High God in Pre-Islamic
Mecca", Journal of Semitic Studies, Vol. 16, 1971, pp. 35-40).

Caesar Farah in his book on Islam concludes his discussion of the pre-Islamic

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meaning of Allah by saying:

"There is no reason, therefore, to accept the idea that Allah passed to the Muslims
from the Christians and Jews" (Islam: Beliefs and Observations, New York, Barrons,
1987, p. 28).

According to Middle East scholar E.M. Wherry, whose translation of the Quran is still
used today, in pre-Islamic times Allah-worship, as well as the worship of Ba-al, were
both astral religions in that they involved the worship of the sun, the moon, and the
stars (A Comprehensive Commentary on the Quran, Osnabruck: Otto Zeller Verlag,
1973, p. 36).



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[QUOTE who="Buildme"]

Q. 5

I for one know who Allah is he's just the muslim god let's be realistic here, but with
all jokes aside, and

I see that all of you are arguing about non sense let's ask the real question, and that's
how comes we can't get along?

Why is religion dividing us? I'm a practicing spiritualist ,and I love my beliefs but I
wouldn't force it onto anyone.

If you want to know my beliefs then feel free to message me or get in contact with me
and I'll share it with you I believe in animism, and I also believe in spirits and I'm a
sorcerer to some they might call my beliefs extreme, but to me it's a way of life and it
frees me from the crap that you all argue about!

I recommend that you all read "How to overcome fear, and start living fearless" it is
sure to open your eyes and I bet then you'll understand everything! go to Amazon and
get that book



You pose a question, why religions are dividing us, and then you gave your own
answer that "Allah is a God of Muslims"

In the same way you will say God is for Christian and YHWH the God for Jews and
Ishwar the God of Hindus and so on.

So as many languages are spoken there will be as many God s!!

Is that the scheme to join religions or divide them?

You should not look at the names but you should look at the attributed.

In Arabic Allah is the name of Unique Creator Sustainer and Cherisher of this
universe. There is no other Creator in the Universe beside Him. He has all good
qualities and attributes.

And He has most beautiful names in Arabic and in all languages of the world.

It is when we talk and thing in this way we can remove the hatred and misconceptions
against each other…..it is then we see that God, Allah, YHWH and Ishwar are same
Unique Creator of Universe and no one else.

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This approach will unite us and not divide us.

But sadly most people want that divisions should continue and be encouraged rather
than Gap being narrowed down.

And now you come along with you own "theory of Spiritualism"….such type of
specialty religions are like mushrooms that grow in the wild.

A few people gather together and start a new movement and new religion and try to
look down on all other groups and religions and divide humans once more.

While they think that they are uniting humanity!!

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