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Torispherical Head Thickness Calculation problem, pls help me

Vessel ID: 2100 mm Length (T/T): 3900 mm Thickness: 6 mm (considered) Vessel Type: Horizontal Cylindrical with Torispherical Dish End I manually calculate this Inside Crown Radius of the Torispherical is ( L ): 2112 (OD of the Vessel) & Inside Knuckle Radius is ( r ) 126.72 (6% of Inside Crown Radius), As per ASME Sec VIII Div 1 UG 32 (e) The condition ts/L 0.002 is satisfied And the formula for the thickness calculation is tp = 0.885 P L / S E 0.1P ------------------------------------------But as per ASME Sec VIII Div 1 Appendix (1- 4) The same condition is ts/L 0.002 The L/r ratio is involves . L /r ratio is inside crown radius to the inside knuckle radius, used in Table 1-4.2 Thickness formula is t p = P L M / 2 S E 0.2 P and L/r = above 16 means M factor calculate separately..for another formula in App 1-4 ------------------------------------------In my case the L/r is 16.6 and I have to calculate the M factor value separately. ----------------------------------------------------------------Here my questions are, 1. Is it wrong using thicknesses formula tp = 0.885 P L / S E 0.1P. in this condition (L/r is 16.6) as per ASME sec VIII div -1 UG -32 (e) .Why because I already consider the inside knuckle radius is 6% inside crown radius as per the code. 2. As per UG -32(e) and App 1-4, when I go for these L/r ratio? Please help me in this query and am expecting your comments with references please .. Recent Threads by Sriram_be :

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In short: 1. UG-32 formula applies to torispherical heads that are in a specific subset that the inside crown radius = the outside diameter of the skirt and the inside knuckle radius is 6% of the inside crown radius. Please note that the paragraph states ICR is EQUAL to OD and the IKR IS 6% of ICR. If your head is a true ASME F&D and meets these criteria, then use this formula. 2. Appendix 1-4 exists to deal with torispherical heads that have differing geometries, for example an 80/10 head, which has a crown that is 80% of the skirt OD and a knuckle that is 10% of the skirt OD. One would use an 80/10 head because it requires only about 2/3 the thickness that a true F&D head requires. 3. I always use App 1-4 first, then run UG-32e. Sometimes 1-4 is more liberal with the required thickness. Please examine factor M formula in App 1-4d and Table 1-4.2 of M values. Please contact me if you require additional help. Recent Threads by rcmathews :
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I failed to mention this in my post: Per UG-32j: The inside crown radius cannot exceed the outside diameter of the skirt. The inside knuckle radius cannot be less than 6% of the inside crown radius. Please review Table 1-4.2 of App 1. You will notice the max L/r ratio is 16 & 2/3, which is 6%. To the other respondent, thanks for the attached interpretations. Recent Threads by rcmathews :
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Vessel ID: 2100 mm Length (T/T): 3900 mm Thickness: 6 mm (considered) Vessel Type: Horizontal Cylindrical with Torispherical Dish End I manually calculate this Inside Crown Radius of the Torispherical is ( L ): 2112 (OD of the Vessel) & Inside Knuckle Radius is ( r ) 126.72 (6% of Inside Crown Radius), As per ASME Sec VIII Div 1 UG 32 (e) The condition ts/L 0.002 is satisfied And the formula for the thickness calculation is tp = 0.885 P L / S E 0.1P ------------------------------------------But as per ASME Sec VIII Div 1 Appendix (1- 4) The same condition is ts/L 0.002 The L/r ratio is involves . L /r ratio is inside crown radius to the inside knuckle radius, used in Table 1-4.2 Thickness formula is t p = P L M / 2 S E 0.2 P

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and L/r = above 16 means M factor calculate separately..for another formula in App 1-4 ------------------------------------------In my case the L/r is 16.6 and I have to calculate the M factor value separately. ----------------------------------------------------------------Here my questions are, 1. Is it wrong using thicknesses formula tp = 0.885 P L / S E 0.1P. in this condition (L/r is 16.6) as per ASME sec VIII div -1 UG -32 (e) .Why because I already consider the inside knuckle radius is 6% inside crown radius as per the code. 2. As per UG -32(e) and App 1-4, when I go for these L/r ratio? Please help me in this query and am expecting your comments with references please ..

hi! Please find attached sample design calculation with torispherical head; Internal Pressure Calculation Results : ASME Code, Section VIII, Division 1, 2007 A-09 Torispherical Head From 10 To 20 SA-516 70 , UCS-66 Crv. B at 80 C Inside Corroded Head Depth [h]: = L - sqrt( ( L - Di / 2) * ( L + Di / 2 - 2 * r ) ) = 1515.00-sqrt((1515.00-2106.00/2)*(1515.00+2106.00/2-2*93.72)) = 466.278 mm. M = = = factor for Torispherical Heads ( Corroded ): (3+sqrt((L+C)/(r+C)))/4 per Appendix 1-4 (b & d) (3+sqrt((1512.000 + 3.0000 )/(90.720 + 3.0000 )))/4 1.7551

Note: r is less than 6% of the head skirt OD. Please check UG-32(j) and UG-81 for Code compliance. Required Thickness due to Internal Pressure [tr]: = (P*L*M)/(2*S*E-0.2*P) per Appendix 1-4 (d) = (350.000*1514.9999*1.7551)/(2*137.90*1.00-0.2*350.000) = 3.3755 + 3.0000 = 6.3755 mm. Max. Allowable Working Pressure at given Thickness, corroded [MAWP]: = (2*S*E*t)/(M*L+0.2*t) per Appendix 1-4 (d) = (2*137.90*1.00*5.0000)/(1.7551*1514.9999+0.2*5.0000) = 518.381 KPa. M factor for Torispherical Heads ( New & Cold ): = (3+sqrt(L/r))/4 per Appendix 1-4 (b & d)

= (3+sqrt(1512.000/90.720))/4 = 1.7706 Maximum Allowable Pressure, New and Cold [MAPNC]: = (2*S*E*t)/(M*L+0.2*t) per Appendix 1-4 (d) = (2*137.90*1.00*8.0000)/(1.7706*1511.9999+0.2*8.0000) = 823.611 KPa. Actual stress at given pressure and thickness, corroded [Sact]: = (P*(M*L+0.2*t))/(2*E*t) = (350.000*(1.7551*1514.9999+0.2*5.0000))/(2*1.00*5.0000) = 93.107 N./mm Straight Flange Required Thickness: = (P*R)/(S*E-0.6*P) + c per UG-27 (c)(1) = (350.000*1053.0000)/(137.90*1.00-0.6*350.000)+3.000 = 5.677 mm. Straight Flange Maximum Allowable Working Pressure: = (S*E*t)/(R+0.6*t) per UG-27 (c)(1) = (137.90 * 1.00 * 5.0000 ) / (1053.0000 + 0.6 * 5.0000 ) = 652.898 KPa. Percent Elong. per UCS-79, VIII-1-01-57 (75*tnom/Rf)*(1-Rf/Ro) 6.334 % Note: Please Check Requirements of UCS-79 as Elongation is > 5%. MDMT Calculations in the Knuckle Portion: Govrn. thk, tg = 8.000 , tr = 5.000 , c = 3.0000 mm. , E* = 1.00 Stress Ratio = tr * (E*) / (tg - c) = 1.000 , Temp. Reduction = 0 C Min Metal Temp. w/o impact per UCS-66 -29 C MDMT Calculations in the Head Straight Flange: Govrn. thk, tg = 8.000 , tr = 3.968 , c = 3.0000 mm. , E* = 1.00 Stress Ratio = tr * (E*) / (tg - c) = 0.794 , Temp. Reduction = 11 C Min Metal Temp. w/o impact per UCS-66 -29 C Min Metal Temp. at Required thickness (UCS 66.1) -40 C Elements Suitable for Internal Pressure. PVElite is a registered trademark of COADE, Inc. [2010] I hope this is helpful for you.

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