AAdABHT HHAH IA3A

c Knep Hupne
(c1enorpummu nu ocnone cy1n1pon)
2012
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Coepmunne
Bc1ynnenne..........................................................................................................................................3
A uuu n Animal (Hnno1noe)..........................................................................................................3
B uuu n Boisson (Bmnnnuu).........................................................................................................10
C uuu n Culture (KynL1ypu) .........................................................................................................15
Duuu n Desir (Henunne)..............................................................................................................26
E uuu n Enfance (e1c1no) ...........................................................................................................37
F uuu n Fidelite (Bepnoc1L) .........................................................................................................51
G uuu n Gauche (Aenm)...............................................................................................................58
Huuu n Histoire de la philosophie (Hc1opnn qnnocoqnn)..........................................68
I uuu n Idee (Hen)..........................................................................................................................83
J uuu n Joie (Puoc1L)....................................................................................................................89
K uuu n Kant (Kun1)........................................................................................................................96
L uuu n Litterature (An1epu1ypu) ...........................................................................................101
Muuu n Maladie (HoneanL) .......................................................................................................107
Nuuu n Neurologie (Henponornn) .........................................................................................117
O uuu n Opera (Onepu).................................................................................................................124
P uuu n Professeur (Hpoqeccop).............................................................................................132
Q uuu n Question (Bonpoc) ........................................................................................................144
R uuu n Resistance (Conpo1nnnenne)...................................................................................149
S uuu n Style (C1nnL) ....................................................................................................................156
T uuu n Tennis (Tennnc) .............................................................................................................161
Uuuu n Un (Innoe).....................................................................................................................167
V uuu n Voyage (Hy1emec1nne) ...............................................................................................169
Wuuu n Wittgenstein (Bn1renm1en) .................................................................................172
Z uuu n Zigzag (3nraur)................................................................................................................172

C+euoipummu coc+uneuu uu ocuone cy+u+pon quimy Hiepu-Auppe Sy+uuu A-
qunu+ un [esu (Pierre-Andre Boutang L'abcdaire de Gilles Deleuze, 1995), nepenop
o+opix ocymec+nuu: [. A. Appumuun (u+epi A, B, C nop pepuue Ap+mu Pupee-
nu), usu C+enuunu (u+epi D, E, H), e Koomue (u+epi F, G, S, T, U, V, W, Z), uuu
Mepnepenu (u+epi I, J, K), Mucum Kupnuu (u+epi L, M), Bup usupen (u+epi N,
O, P), [euuc Kypeuon (u+epi Q, R); omun pepuun Aece Tm+iuu.
[. A. Appumuun
e Koomue
[euuc Kypeuon
Bup usupen
uuu Mepnepenu
usu C+enuunu
Ap+m Pupeen
Aece Tm+iuu
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Bc1ynnenne
HnnL ena: Ti nipuu qopmy uqunu+u, +i supuuee uusnuu +emi.
B +onuo suum, uue ypy+ nonpoci, +o ec+i y meun io npemn opymu+i
+emi. [n meun o+nenu+i, ue nopymun, uenpuememo.
Bc s+o poc+u+onuo npunu+uo, u suunu+, moe+ i+i ucnoisonuuo, ecu
s+o ype+ ucnoisonuuo, +oio noce moe cmep+u. Hy, nouumuemi B ye
omymum cen n coc+onuuu, n+o Hiep-Auppe Sy+uu npenpu+u meun n upxun, n
ymuuym up+ony. Hs+o meun oneui ooppne+ u ycnouunue+.
H nos+omy n pou nuc+oio pusymu [pyxu], n ye cenuc ionopm noce
cmep+u. A mi suuem, n+o pyxu nisinum+cn c+oonepneuuem. H +ue suu-
em, n+o nuc+i pusym oinuo ue pu+ oneui iyoux u ymuix o+ne+on. Ouu
umi nonepxuoc+ui.
H+u, meun nc yc+puunue+. A, B, C, D. C neio uunum?
A uuu n Animal (Hnno1noe)
Knep Hupne: Mi uunuuuem c u+epi A. A s+o uno+uoe
(Animal). uno+uoe B npou+upym Y. K. uupcu: Heone, o+opi ue
mu+ pe+e u uno+uix, ue moe+ i+i concem y noxum. [e+e mi no-
u oc+unum. Ho, n+o ucue+cn pomumuux uno+uix Ti u-+o cusu, n+o
+i ux ue mumi. Ho s+omy npuuuny +i pusunuemi Sopepu u Ko+o +i
oime mumi ome, nem cou. C ppyio c+opoui, ec+uupu +noux uui
uecoio uuo. He cnu+un xumuuon, uno+uix uiopopuix, +i muoio
ionopumi o emux, nmux u ppyiux uenpun+uix meux +nupnx.
HnnL ena: [u
Knep Hupne: H n xony pounu+i, n+o uno+uie n Au+u-0pune u-
mc+pupym+ nuui ouen+ c+uuoneuun-uno+uim. B xony noppoue
ysuu+i o +nom o+uomeuuu uno+uim.
HnnL ena: uno+uie Ecu, +i ionopumi o uno+uix pomum-
uux O+uomeuue uno+uim pomumuum, npupyneuuim, puum meun su-
uumue+ ue s+o. He couu u ue omu
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Hpoemu n +om, n+o ec+i uno+uie pomumuue u opomumueuuie. Tuue
opomumueuuie uno+uie n ux ue oneui mm. [omumuux uno+uix, u
ue npupyneuuix, n mm, n uux ec+i n+o-+o, n+o +poiue+ meun. 0+o npouc-
xopu+ co muo, +u u cnnsuuo no muoiom c cemi, u ue c ncom uu o+om,
oipu +o-+o us pe+e, npuuocu+ n cnoux pynux mue uu uuuuu o+uu
pusmepom ue oime upomu. Eio uumu ipe-+o n pepenue, u moe+ uu e-
c+uue, ue suum. H uunuuun c s+oio poonoio pun, y meun n pome nceipu i-
u omu.
H+o mue ue upunu+cn n s+ux uno+uix? Xo+n s+o ue c+oi mynu+eiuo
n moiy c s+um cnpunu+icn. H+o mue ue upunu+cn? B ue mm, oipu o meun
+py+cn. A omuOuu nceipu +py+cn o nuc. B s+oio ue mm.
C couumu ppyioe peo. Heio n conepmeuuo ue niuomy n couux, +u
s+o u. [n meun u s+o cumi iyni sny us ncex uno+uix snyon n
npupope. H u s+o cnomuo c+ip pn nceio uno+uoio upc+nu. H+o n
nepeuomy ynme npunpu, +oio ue oneui poio no uu yuy Couu,
o+opie nom+ uu yuy, s+o oee +epnumo.
Knep Hupne: Hepep cmep+im
HnnL ena: Hepep cmep+im, n ue suum. Ho no pn meun +epnumee,
nem u.
Ho oipu n noun, n+o omu u couu nonomum+ couuiuym sumu-
muuoc+i, mon uu+unu+un uum ycuuuci. H+o n xony cusu+i B xony cu-
su+i, nyc+i s+o noue+cn iynim, n+o mpu, o+opie pec+nu+eiuo mn+
cou u ome yc+uuununum+ c uumu ueneonenecu +un o+uomeuu. Hu-
npumep, o+uomeuue pe+e omum, s+o ue neonenecoe o+uomeuue, quu-
+usmu+unecoe. H+o nuuo, s+o o+uomeuue uno+uoio c uno+uim. H+o s+o
suunu+ o+uomeuue uno+uoio c uno+uim? 0+o suunu+, n+o c uum ue io-
nopn+. B ue niuomy mpe, o+opie yc+uuununum+ c uno+uimu neone-
necue o+uomeuun.
B uny uu poc+u+onuo +uxo yue, uu o+opo mpu nuc+o niiyunum+
cnoux cou. H +o, n+o n cimy su ouom, s+o yucuo. Yucuo, u mpu pus-
ionupunum+ co cnoumu uno+uimu. [ue ncuxouuuus s+o o+menue+! Ou o+-
menue+, n+o pomumuux, opomumueuuix uno+uix, uno+uix pn pomu
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H+o ux nce mn+. Hunpumep, no cue. Hcuxouuuus uuxopu+ n s+om opus o+-
u, mu+epu uu peuu +o ec+i, uno+uoe u neu cemiu. 0+o meun ypun-
ne+, n s+oio ue niuomy. B ncnomuuum pnu mepenpu Tumoeuuuu Pycco
[Spunu o+u muie+u u Bouu], ipe couu n pune c+uuonu+cn non+u
n+o pepom pec+nu+eiuo pepom u oui Boui, o+opi osuunue+ +oi-
o umi oenoio oun.
Beci nonpoc n +om, uue y nuc o+uomeuun c uno+uim? Ecu s+o neo-
nenecoe o+uomeuue, +o Ho ec+i mpu, o+opie mn+ uno+uix, uo o+uo-
cn+cn uum ue +u, u mpnm ouu o+uocn+cn uno+uomy u uno+-
uomy. H s+o oneui xopomo. [ue y oxo+uuon n ue mm oxo+uuon y
uux oneui c+puuuoe o+uomeuue uno+uim
Ho +i meun cnpocuu u o ppyiux uno+uix, meun pec+nu+eiuo uu+e-
pecym+ nce s+u nuyu, emu, oxu Mue ouu nuuee, nem couu u omu.
H uue e c uumu moiy+ i+i o+uomeuun c emumu u oxumu, n+o
mouo cusu+i o uux? 0+o +oe npumep u+unuoio o+uomeuun uno+uomy.
H+o meun npuneue+ n uno+uix? Bepi mon ueuunuc+i opuum uno+-
uim nopnu+inue+cn moum nocxumeuuem nepep muoiumu ppyiumu uno+-
uimu. Ecu nopnec+u u+oi s+um sium nemum, n+o meun nopuue+ n u-
no+uom? Buuo, n+o meun nopuue+ +o, n+o ncnoe uno+uoe umee+ cno
mup. 3uunuo, +u u oimuuc+no mpe ue umem+ coc+neuuoio mupu.
Ouu uny+ n mupe omec+neuuom, u suunu+ uom yiopuo, nim yiopuo. Y
uno+uix cno mup. H+o +uoe uno+ui mup? 0+o oneui oipuuuneuui
mup. H s+o meun oneui +poiue+. uno+uie peuiupym+ nceio uu uecoio
neme
Ti moemi meun npepnu+i, ecu uyuo
'()* +,)-., 010(23 453
HnnL ena: H no+ nepnun xupu+epuun nep+u uno+uoio s+o cyme-
c+nonuuue coc+neuuoio, yuuuiuoio mupu. Bosmouo, s+o+ mup sunuc+ym
umee+ ymepui xupu+ep, meun s+o cuiuo nnenu+ne+.
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Bo+, uunpumep, nosimm +uoe uno+uoe u em. Kem peuiupye+ uu
+pu nemu, +pu qu+opu, nceio +pu qu+opu no nce npupope: ou poc+uiue+
pun ne+u pepenu, npunenuui cne+om, ou moe+ pu+i uu s+o ne+e io-
pumu, es numu, es uuneio, n nouo umopquoc+u po +ex nop, nou pusppu-
u+ei, uno+uoe ue npop+ nop ne+oToipu ou moe+ ynuc+i.
0+o em opuu us pusppuu+ee sunux, sunux uno+uoio, o+opoe
npoxopu+ nop ne+o. 0+o n+opo us qu+opon: nepni cne+, n+opo su-
nux. 3u+em, oipu ou nupue+ uu cnuuy epuomy uno+uomy, ou uunuuue+ uc-
u+i ynuc+o, meuee sumumuui mepc+im. 0+o +u+uiui pusppuu+ei.
H su+em ou nnunue+cn n oy. Bc oc+uiuoe conepmeuuo uenuuo. Hs nceio
muoioopusun npupopi nuui +oio +pu nemu.
Knep Hupne: H s+o men+u +noe usuu? 0+o u npuneue+ +en n u-
no+uix?
HnnL ena: [u, cospuuue coc+neuuoio mupu, cospuuue coc+neuuoio
mupu.
Knep Hupne: O+cmpu +no o+uomeuue nucimy. Hucu+ei, u u u-
no+uoe, cospu+ mup
HnnL ena: 0+o couee. He suum. Cno mup s+o +oio opuu uc-
ne+ uno+uoio. H+o meun oime nceio nopuue+, s+o ux o+uomeuue +ep-
pu+opuu. Mi nmec+e c ueucom [nu++upu] usopeu ouen+ non+u qu-
ocoqcu ouen+ ucnoisyn upem +eppu+opuu.
Y uno+uoio ec+i +eppu+opun. Sinum+ uno+uie es +eppu+opuu. Ho
uno+uie c +eppu+opue s+o ypunu+eiuo no+omy n+o, opusonuuue
+eppu+opuu n nm-+o cxoe c popeuuem ucycc+nu. Koipu uno+uoe nome-
nue+ cnom +eppu+opum s+o ncem usnec+uo ouo ucnoisye+ nipeeuun
uuuiuix ees, mony, pn +oio n+oi nome+u+i ipuuui cnoe +eppu+o-
puu. Ho s+o em ue nc. H+o uu+epecye+ meun n s+o pusme+e +eppu+opuu
+u s+o eun cepun nos, uunpumep, npucepuuu u nc+unuuu. Cepun ne+on:
ne+u niopu y oesinu, uunpumep, +oe o+menum+ ipuuuy +eppu+opuu
Hne+, neuue, nosu s+o +pu onpepenmmux momeu+u ucycc+nu. A umeu-
uo: ne+, uuun no+omy n+o nosu uno+uoio s+o uuun. Hne+, uuun, ne-
uue. 0+o nuc+ie coc+onuun ucycc+nu. H oipu ouo nixopu+ us +eppu+opuu
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uu nxopu+ uu +eppu+opum Teppu+opun s+o ouc+i nsinpu. H s+o oneui
suun+uo, s+o+ nsinp oosuuneuue moe coc+neuuoc+u, u y See+u
uu Mumo. Teppu+opun s+o coc+neuuoc+i uno+uoio. H ni+u su npepe-
i +eppu+opuu s+o npumneuue. Ec+i +uue uno+uie, o+opie onosuu-
m+ cnom nupy nuy+pu, uo ue nonue +eppu+opuu.
Knep Hupne: Kuue?
HnnL ena: 0+o no+pncumme! B sui, n+o s+o su n+uu
Mi c ueucom B noupum uno+uym cqepy B su+puiunum quo-
coqcym npoemy, nepi n s+om Aqunu+e nc uumemuuo. Huoipu quo-
coqon ynpeum+ n +om, n+o ouu cospum+ nupnupcue conu. Ho noc+uni ce-
n uu mo mec+o: n noni+ucn pusopu+icn c s+um noun+uem +eppu+opuu u
nopymu, n+o noun+ue +eppu+opuu umee+ suuneuue +oio n o+uomeuuu
pnueuun, o+opim mi e uupymuem. H+oi nipusu+i s+o, mue nouupou-
oci nupnupcoe cono.
H no+ mi c ueucom usopeu ouen+, o+opi mue oneui upunu+cn
ouen+ pe+eppu+oppuuusuuu. 0+o cono +pypuo pn npousuomeuun.
3unem e ouo uyuo? B s+om sumenu+eiuom cynue quocoqcu ouen+
moe+ i+i oosuuneu +oio +em conom, o+opoio em ue cymec+nye+, pu-
e ecu n ppyiux nsiux ec+i eio snunueu+. Hunpumep, n sume+u, n+o y
Menuu nuc+o snynu+ cono uy+supum [outlandish] n ue oneui xopo-
mo npousuomy, moemi meun nonpunu+i outlandish s+o +o e cumoe, n+o
pe+eppu+opuuusuun. Cono n cono.
H uucn+ quocoquu npepe, nem nepuy+icn uno+uim. 0+o nopu-
su+eiuo, u n quocoquu uuoipu inue+ ueoxopumo usopec+u nupnup-
coe cono, n+oi o+me+u+i npu+nsuuue uu uonusuy. Cy+i noun+un, npe+eu-
pymmeio uu uonusuy, coc+ou+ n +om, n+o ue cymec+nye+ +eppu+opuu es ne-
+opu, uunpuneuuoio uu nixop us ue, u ue cymec+nye+ nixopu, +o ec+i pe-
+eppu+opuuusuuu, es ycuun pe+eppu+opuuusuuu uoio-+o ppyioio
mec+u.
Bo+ nc s+o meun u onuponinue+ n uno+uix. Meun npuneue+ ncn s+u
ouc+i suuon. uno+uie uuuocn+ suuu. Hoc+onuuo uuuocn+ u npousnopn+
suuu. 0+o umee+ pnouo cmic. Ouu peuiupym+ uu suuu, uunpumep, nuy:
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ou peuiupye+ uu nc, n+o supenue+ eio nuy+uuy, ou peuiupye+ uu mie suu-
u, uo u npousnopu+ ux cum. Pusuie suuu. Moe+ i+i s+o cepi nou,
nou uu ppyioio snepn? Meun nocxumum+ mpu, o+opie ymem+ ux pusu-
nu+i, uunpumep, uuc+onmue oxo+uuu ue +e, n+o coc+on+ n omec+ne oxo+i,
uo uuc+onmue, o+opie moiy+ pucnosuu+i, uoe uno+uoe speci npomo.
0+o uusinue+cn o+uomeuue uno+uomy u uno+uomy. O+uomeuun u-
no+uix. Hmeuuo s+o o+uomeuue uno+uoio c uno+uim. 0+o sumenu+eiuo.
Knep Hupne: 0+o npousnopc+no u nocnpun+ue suuon cuue+ nucimo
u nucu+en c uno+uim?
HnnL ena: O, pu!
Ecu +i meun cnpumunuemi, n+o pn meun nuuee nceio n uno+uom, +o
n cuy, n+o s+o uuc+opoeuuoc+i. Hpuuunuuiuun uuc+opoeuuoc+i.
Knep Hupne: Ku u y nucu+en?
HnnL ena: Hy, nucu+ei ou +oe uuc+opoeu. uuocoq +oe uu-
c+opoeu. Bce uuc+opoeui. [n meun uno+uoe s+o ymu ouu nceipu uu-
c+opoe, uuoipu ue o+pixum+. uno+uie epn+ u opuonpemeuuo cepn+ su
+em, n+o npoucxopu+ y uux su cnuuo, c pusuix c+opou u +u puee. Tuoe uu-
c+opoeuuoe cymec+nonuuue s+o c+pumuo. Ti cuuemi uno+uoe u nu-
cu+enuo n uux e o+uomeuunx?
Knep Hupne: Ku u +i
HnnL ena: 0+o npunpu uo ueoxopumo uemuoio cusu+i o ipuuu-
ux
K+o +uo nucu+ei? Ou nume+, pu, uo nume+ pn nu+u+en. Ho n+o
suunu+ s+o pn? 0+o suunu+ pupu. Hucu+ei nume+ pupu nu+u+en,
pn nu+u+en. Ho +ue u pn ue-nu+u+en. 0+o ye ue suunu+ pupu, uo
nmec+o. C opuo c+opoui pupu, c ppyio nmec+o. H+u 0+o us-
nec+uo, Ap+o nucu: B numy pn ynupn, B numy pn pypuon. uo-
uep nucu pn upuo+on. Ho s+o ue suunu+, n+oi s+o nu+uu pypuu uu
n+oi s+o i ynupi; s+o suunu+ nmec+o ynupn. Mouo cusu+i B
numy nmec+o puupe uu B numy nmec+o uno+uix. H+o s+o suunu+?
Honemy n +u ionopm: nucu+i nmec+o ynupn, pypuon, uno+uix? Ho+omy
n+o umeuuo +u u numy+.
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Hucimo s+o ue mueuioe unuoe peo, s+o ue mueuiue iynoc+u
uu u+epu+ypuun nocpepc+neuuoc+i. 0+o io nceipu, ue +oio cenuc, o-
ipu cymec+nye+ yepeuue, n+o pn pomuuu, uunpumep, poc+u+onuo uu+pu-
u uu uoio-uuypi npoucmec+nun: ymepme o+ puu uymu uu uc+o-
puu mnu u ni ye moe+e uunucu+i o s+om pomuu. 0+o c+ipuo no-
pouie nemu.
Hucimo s+o ue npoucmec+nue, ue unuoe peo +oio, +o nume+, s+o ue-
n+o iouiuoe, ypi +o pomuu uu quocoqcu +ec+. H+o e n umem n
nupy?
'()* +,)-., 67,6*8 010(23
Knep Hupne: Hucu+i pn, +o ec+i pupu uu nmec+o, o s+om +i
nucu n Ticnne nu+o n o+uomeuuu oppu Huupocu y oqmuuc+un n npe-
pucuo qpuse: Hucu+ei s+o opyu, ou puccmu+punue+ uno+uoe u
epuuc+neuuoe cymec+no, nepep o+opim omymue+ o+ne+c+neuuoc+i.
HnnL ena: Hmeuuo! 0+o conepmeuuo nepuo no oneui npoc+o npu-
nuue. H +o, n+o +i +oio n+o nponu, s+o o+uocu+cn ue +oio n+euum
oqmuuc+un. 0+o uecoio uuoe.
Hucu+i s+o suunu+ conepmeuc+nonu+i nsi, u +ue cuu+ucuc, +u
u nsi s+o cuu+ucuc. 0+o ponopu+i cuu+ucuc po npepeu. 0+o moe+
nipuu+icn no-pusuomy: npepe moe+ o+pen+i nsi o+ +umuui, npepe
moe+ o+pen+i nsi o+ mysiu, o+pen+i nsi o+ neio i +o uu io em.
Hos+omy n npepnonu+um +ocunoe suninuuue.
Knep Hupne: A ue u!
HnnL ena: [u, ue u H+o em cusu+i? Kuomy nucu+em ypunu-
oci +ocunoe suninuuue? Tocunoe suninuuue s+o Hpenpumeuue
Kuqu. Ynpunnmmu punu+: Cimuu? 0+o i iooc uno+uoio.
Kpu ou peiopuHu mimuuoio uupopu, uunpumep
Knep Hupne: osequuu
HnnL ena: uupopu, o+opi openu uu cmep+i. Ho-moemy, ymu-
pu+i ymem+ +oio uno+uie, u ue mpu. H neone, ecu ou ymupue+, ou
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ymupue+ u uno+uoe. H speci nosnpu+umcn cusuuuomy, n oneui ynuum
ome Heo+opie omu, u ux y meun io muoio, ymupuu oneui ic+po,
u n nupe, u ouu ucuu yio, n+oi ymepe+i. 0+o +eppu+opun pn cmep-
+u, mec+o, ipe mouo ymepe+i. Hm uupo io suu+icn n yio, n uoe-
uuypi ypomuoe mec+o, n+oi ymepe+i.
Tu no+, ecu nucu+ei s+o +o+, +o ponopu+ nsi po npepeu, o+opi
o+pene+ nsi o+ uno+uoc+u, o+pene+ o+ puu, o+ neuun, +o s+um ou on-
suu ymupummemy uno+uomy. Ou o+nenue+ uu cmep+i uno+uoio. Ou nume+
ue pn uux, ue pn moe omu u couu, u nmec+o ymupummeio uno+uoio.
Bo+ n+o suunu+ ponopu+i nsi po npepeu. H ue+ uuo u+epu+ypi, uuoio
nsiu u cuu+ucucu, o+penmmeio neoneu o+ uno+uoio Bc c+pemu+cn
s+omy npepey. B +u pymum
0+o o+uocu+cn u quocoquu. Peni up+ o npepee, o+penmmem mim-
euue o+ ue-mimeuun. Bceipu poeu i+i npepe, o+penmmu neoneu
o+ uno+uoc+u, uo, ouenuo, +uum opusom, n+o ni ye o+ ueio ue o+pee-
ui. B cumom neonenecom +ee npucy+c+nye+ ueun ueneonenuoc+i, u u n
pusyme. O+uomeuue uno+uoio c uno+uim Hu s+om mouo suounu+i c
u+epo A

B uuu n Boisson (Bmnnnuu)
Knep Hupne: [u, mouo nepe+u B. H+u, B s+o Binunu
(Boisson). Ti nu uo su+em pocu, u meun uu+epecye+, nem iu pn +e-
n ninunu, oipu +i nu. Yponoic+nuem?
HnnL ena: [u, n muoio nu. Muoio nu Ho no+om pocu, no+omy
n+o muoio nu
Ku s+o io? 0+o uecouo. B muoio pymu B muoio pymu uu s+o+
cn+, pusionupunu c nimmumu, omucn c uoiouumu. Binunu s+o
peo ounec+nu. Hpumepuo +o e, uo uuune, c oopc+nom: cymec+nym+
mpu, o+opie oneui muoio epn+, +e, +o noc+onuuo epn+ Mue s+o o+npu+u-
+eiuo.
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Ho n nouumum, n+o c ninuno nc uenpoc+o, no+omy n+o y upoio ec+i
cnou mumie uunu+u. Ho n cynue uoiouu s+o nonpoc ounec+nu.
H+o e s+o su nonpoc ounec+nu? C uupomuuumu uu uoiouumu npo-
ucxopu+ +uun nemi: upi cnu+ue+ cen xosnuuom nooeuun, ionopu+,
n+o moe+ sunnsu+i n mo momeu+. Mi cmemcn uup uumu, no+omy n+o ue
nouumuem, n+o ouu xo+n+ s+um cusu+i. Y meun o s+om cneue nocnomuuu-
uun, u n-+o suum, n+o mpu, o+opie nim+, o+unuo nc nouumum+.
Cumoe iunuoe n ninune s+o nocepuu c+uuu. Binunu s+o
c+pemeuue nocepuemy c+uuuy. Bo+ n+o uu+epecuo.
Knep Hupne: 0+o nceipu npepe?
HnnL ena: H+o +uoe npepe? 0+o coui nonpoc. Huimu conu-
mu, uoiou s+o +o+, +o uenpepinuo pocue+ nu+i. To+, +o ue nepec+u-
+ ninunu+i cno nocepuu c+uuu. H+o s+o osuunue+? 0+o noxoe uu npe-
pucuoe nipueuue Hei: 0+o ue nocepunn ynmuuu non+opne+ nepnym
s+o nepnun ynmuuu non+opne+ nce oc+uiuie u nocepumm. Tu no+, s+o+
nepni c+uuu non+opne+ nocepuu, u +oio ou umee+ suuneuue.
Ho n+o suunu+ pn uoiouu nocepuu c+uuu? Ou nc+u+ y+pom
s+o y+po uoiouu. Moemi npepc+unu+i cee, n+o s+o +uoe y+po uo-
iouu, u +i nommi, n+o suunu+ nocepuu c+uuu. Hx uu+epecye+ ue nep-
ni, ue n+opo, ue +pe+u u +u puee c+uuu B s+om coc+ou+ xu+poc+i u-
oiouu. Hocepuu c+uuu nosmouoc+i pusnu+un. B ue ionopm o peipu-
puuu uo o snomuu, snomuu, o+opun y upoio cnon. 0+o snomun
n uunpuneuuu nocepueio c+uuuu, oipu nce npepipymue ec+i umi +onu
cxopeuun uemy nocepuemy c+uuuy. H+o suunu+ nocepuu? 0+o
suunu+ cepymmee: ueoxopumo pocu+i nu+i ceiopun. Ho uu cepymmu
peui nocepuu c+uuu nosnou+ mue nuoni uunu+i nu+i Ho+omy n+o, ecu
nocepuu c+uuu npenocxopu+ eio cuy nou, +o em opuu nocepuu n
eio nuc+u. H pec+nu+eiuo nocepuu c+uuu npepnouiue+ nepemeuy: ne-
one nonupue+ n oiuuy uu nouoc+im meune+ usui, ou meune+ cnou
pec+nun. Koipu ou ionopu+: nocepuu s+o suunu+ npepnocepuu.
Eio ei s+o npepnocepuu. Hu mouo em cusu+i no-ppyiomy: npep-
puuuOu eue+ ue nocepuu c+uuu, uo npeppuuu.
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Knep Hupne: Huuoipu puuu
HnnL ena: He puuu, no+omy n+o puuu ue n eio nuc+u. Ho
npeppuuu s+o u pus nocepuu nepep uonim uunuom.
Aoiouu nceipu +u u ionopn+ esoc+uuononuo. Hunpumep, n uqe
nceipu suunuo uumpu+i su omnuuue uoiouon, ouu nceipu ionopn+
uen+o nopouoe. Aoiouu nceipu ionopn+: [unu+e no nocepue! Ho
su nocepue cepye+ em opuu nocepunn.
Knep Hupne: Em ouu mn+ non+opn+i, n+o sunny+ sun+pu.
HnnL ena: 3unny sun+pu? He+, ouu ue ionopn+, n+o sunny+ sun-
+pu. Ouu ionopn+, n+o sunnsinum+ ceiopun, n+oi sun+pu nuoni uunu+i nu+i.
Knep Hupne: Ho ecu nu+i s+o suunu+ ue nepec+unun pocu+i nu+i,
u nosmouo pec+nu+eiuo pocu+i, no+omy, n+o +i e pocu?
HnnL ena: 0+o oneui onucuo oneui onucuo, ecu nc cpeu+i i-
c+po. Mumo o s+om ionopu. B pymum o npoemux uupomuuon u npoe-
mux c uoioem mepy uumu ue+ pusuui. Mumo ionopu o s+om 0+o
oneui onucui momeu+. 0+o pu, s+omy o+uocu+cn +o, n+o n ionopu npo
ipuuui, nopopuspei mepy nsiom u monuuuem, nsiom u uno+uo-
c+im. 0+o+ pu s+o noipuuunuoe coc+onuue.
Hu+i uu npuuumu+i uupo+uu nc s+o mouo peu+i, ecu s+o ue
memue+ puo+u+i. Ecu s+o c+umyi, +o uopmuiuo uuxopu+i uen+o ep+-
neuuoe no ncm s+om. A o+uomeuue ninune u uupo+uum nceipu umee+
o++euo neio-+o ep+neuuoio. Bonpoc nonemy s+o c+uuonu+cn ep+neu-
uim? Ho+omy n+o ouu umem+ peo c nem-+o +uum c+oi cuiuim, n+o ue-
nosmouo nepeuec+u es uoion. Bonpoc ue n +om, n+oi ue nepeuocu+i
cum uoioi. Bosmouo, uoiouu pymum+, n+o pec+nu+eiuo uypum+-
cn n s+om, n+oi nepeuec+u n+o-+o, niuec+u uen+o, uo peo n +om, n+o ouu
uypum+cn n nm-+o ueniuocumom, n+oi niuec+u cum uoioi, uupo+uu
u +u puee.
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HnnL ena: Ouu cospum+ npepei s+o oneui npoc+o Binunu,
uupo+uu u nc nopouoe. Ouu nosnonm+ nepeuec+u uen+o ueniuocumoe,
pue ecu su s+o npup+cn nonu+u+icn. 0+o moe+ i+i cnnsuuo c puo+o.
Ho onenupuo, n+o nc oc+ou+ uuune, n+o ninunu memue+ puo+e, n+o uup-
o+uu peum+ puo+y uenosmouo n s+om ucom+uun onucuoc+i, uo s+o
nc onenupuo. H n +o e npemn mi nc oime sumenuem, n+o oipu ionopn+,
yp+o uoioi ueoxopum pn puo+i, uupo+uu ueoxopumi pn puo+i.
0+o nonce ue ueoxopumo Bc, n+o mi peuem nop nospec+nuem uoion
uu uupo+uon, mi moiu i cpeu+i u es uux.
Bisinue+ nocxumeuue +o, n+o o s+om nucu Mumo Ou pocu, u n
+oe. Ho co muo s+o io uecoio uuune, mue ue nosnono spoponie,
npoemi c pixuuuem. Ho onenupuo, n+o pocu+i nu+i ueoxopumo. Epuuc+-
neuuoe nosmouoe onpunpuuue moio i i+i n +om, n+o s+o nomoiue+ n pu-
o+e, pue ecu npuxopu+cn pucnununu+icn spoponiem. Ho nem oime +i
nimi, +em meuime s+o nomoiue+ puo+u+i. Mumo muoio nu u npuuumu
uupo+uon, n+oi
Knep Hupne: poc+uni onpepeuuoio coc+onuun.
HnnL ena: [u, s+o nepuo.
Knep Hupne: Ho, c ppyio c+opoui, +i ionopumi, n+o oipu nim+, +o
peum+ s+o ue +oio us-su puo+i, uo n+oi uu+u noppepy uu nepeue-
c+u uen+o. H s+o uen+o ue usui Ku n uuiux +noux mumix nucu+e-
e.
HnnL ena: [u ue+, s+o usui
Knep Hupne: 0+o usui?
HnnL ena: 0+o n+o-+o oee cuiuoe, nem usui. 0+o ue onsu+ei-
uo pouo i+i n+o-+o yucuoe, uo n+o-+o oneui cuiuoe, n+o-+o oneui
momuoe n usuu. Mi, u upuo+i, pymuem, n+o ninunu ninopu+ uu ueu
oee nicou yponeui. Bosimm nenpy neuux umepuuucux nucu+ee.
Knep Hupne: O+ uuepuipu po oypu
HnnL ena: uuepuipu, Tomucu Byiqu ncemu umu n nocxumu-
mci. 0+o nenpu uoiouon, uo n +o e npemn umeuuo s+o nosnono um
nucu+i, s+o um nomoiuo, nomoiuo uumynu+i n+o-+o oneui oimoe.
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Knep Hupne: Ho nepi umeuuo um o+pioci +o, n+o ppyiue ue nupeu
cuu usuu.
HnnL ena: Hmeuuo! Hmeuuo!
Knep Hupne: Ouu nupeu usueuuym momi
HnnL ena: [u, s+o +u, uo npnp u nc peo n uoioe.
Knep Hupne: Ouu nupeu cuy usuu, uo pome uux s+oio uu+o ue
sumenu.
HnnL ena: [u, conepmeuuo coiuceu. Conepmeuuo coiuceu.
Knep Hupne: Hunpumep, oypu
HnnL ena: Conepmeuuo coiuceu. Ouu cospuu mepenpi. Ouu puc-
onuu, puconuu, no+omy n+o pymuu, npunuiuo u, ouo u n+o u-
oioi um nomoiu.
B +oe nouiu, n+o uoioi nomoiu mue usope+u+i ouen+i. 0+o
c+puuuo. Moe+ i+i, cuunuu mue s+o u nomoiuo usope+u+i quocoqcue
ouen+i, uo no+om n sume+u, n+o peo ue n s+om, u cumu nosmouoc+i pu-
o+i ousinue+cn n onucuoc+u.
Knep Hupne: Ho s+o copee umepuuucun +pupuun, no+omy n+o pn
qpuuyscux nucu+ee, o+opie soyno+penu uoioem, s+o io i
nuc+im ux npousnepeuu.
HnnL ena: [u, uo y qpuuyscux un+opon concem ppyioe npeuue +o-
io, n+o +uoe nucimo. Hy, n ue suum, ecu i n oime suu umepuuuen
0+o nonpoc npeuun, nsinpu, quocoquu, nucimu, s+o nonpoc +oio, u
cmo+pn+ u nupn+, nupn+ +o, neio ue nupn+ ppyiue. 0+o uenoxoe uu qpuuys-
cym ouenum u+epu+ypi. Ho no upuuuu +oe io muoio uoiou-
on.
Knep Hupne: Ho cenuc-+o c uoiouumu no upuuuu noouneuo,
ouu +enepi ue n mope H n+o ucue+cn quocoqon, +o cpepu uux +oe muo
uoiouon.
HnnL ena: Bo+, uunpumep, speci concem pnpom u Bepeu uu
yue Hoe [Nollet]
Knep Hupne: O pu, Pemo u Bepeu ucmneuun
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HnnL ena: H oipu n npoxoy speci, no yue Hoe, n pymum o
+om, n+o speci npoxopu u Bepeu, n+oi ninu+i n uqe uceu+u. Ou u n
yucuo mueuio nup+upe
Knep Hupne: [u, ouenuo nos+i u uoioi
HnnL ena: [u, neuu qpuuyscu nos+, o+opi npoxopu no
yue Hoe. 0+o nocxu+u+eiuo!
Knep Hupne: B Sup ppyse [Bar des Amis]?
HnnL ena: [u, uecomueuuo!
Knep Hupne: [u, cpepu nos+on io muoio uoiouon C uoio-
em mi suounuu
HnnL ena: [u, c u+epo B mi suounuu. H+o puime?
C uuu n Culture (KynL1ypu)
Knep Hupne: Mi nepexopum C. C s+o oimun +emu.
HnnL ena: Hn+o e s+o?
Knep Hupne: C s+o Kyi+ypu (Culture).
HnnL ena: [u, nonemy i u ue+?
Knep Hupne: H+o , +oipu Opuupi +i cusu, n+o +i ue yi+yp-
ui (cultive), n+o oinuo +i nu+uemi, cmo+pumi quimi, uumpuemi,
+oio n+oi suu+i o nemux umi +o, n+o +ee ueoxopumo pn oupe+uoio
+eymeio npoe+u.
Ho n +o e npemn upym cyo+y +i xopumi uu nic+unu, cmo+pumi
uuo oipomuun yi+ypuun ouc+i Tuoe nync+no, n+o s+o ueun npu-
+uu, yi+ypuoe ycuue, ueun pusuonupuoc+i cuc+emu+uneco yi+yp-
uo npu+uu. Huimu conumu, +i npuuiuemi cuc+emu+unecue ycuun
pn +oio, n+oi i+i yi+ypuim.
H n +o e npemn, n non+opnm +nou conu o +om, n+o +i ue yi+ypui.
Ku +i oncunemi s+o+ ueoimo nupupoc? Ti ue yi+ypui?
HnnL ena: [u, n pec+nu+eiuo ionopu +ee, n+o uny, pec+nu-
+eiuo, n uny ue concem u uu+ee+yu. B uuoipu ue u u yi-
+ypui no oneui npoc+o npunuue, no+omy n+o, oipu n nuy uoio-
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uuypi yi+ypuoio neoneu n nyiumci. 0+o ue cnnsuuo c nocxumeuu-
em, n ue nocxumumci s+um, concem ue+. Koipu nuy yi+ypuoio neoneu,
n nyiumci. H s+o onenupuo yi+ypuomy neoney. Ou oupue+ nosuu-
uunmu, uo nosuuuunmu nyiummumu B nupe muoio uu+ee+yuon, co
muoiumu suum, nc+penucn c uumu. Ouu suum+ nc, ouu n ypce nceio, ouu
suum+ uc+opum H+uuu, Peueccuuc, ieoipuqum Cenepuoio nomcu, ouu suu-
m+ nc, n+o +oio mouo suu+i, ouu moiy+ ionopu+i oo ncm 0+o o+npu-
+u+eiuo.
H oipu n ionopm, n+o n uu yi+ypui neone, uu uu+ee+yu, +o
xony cusu+i, n+o y meun ue+ suuuun npo sunuc. B oue ouon, s+o ue
npoemu, uo noce moe cmep+u ueneio ype+ nyuonu+i Heneio, no+o-
my n+o y meun uuneio ue+ npo sunuc, n uuneio ue onm, y meun ue+ suuuun
npo sunuc. H nc, n+o n usynum, n usynum pn onpepeuuo eu. H oipu
ei poc+uiuy+u, +o e+ nepes mec+i-pecn+i n ye uuneio ue nomum. H s+o
poxopu+ po cmemuoio: oipu n xony nepuy+icn +omy uu uuomy cme+y, n
poeu nc uunuuu+i c uyn. 3u pepum ucmneuuem. Cnuuosu ou n mom
ceppe, n eio ue suypy. Ou n mom ceppe u micnx.
H+u Ho nonemy n ue nocxumumci s+o nyiumme yi+ypo, s+umu
mpimu, o+opie ionopn+
Knep Hupne: 0+u suuuun s+o spypuun uu mueuue no momy no-
nopy?
HnnL ena: He+, s+o ue spypuun. Ouu suum+ Ouu ymem+ ionopu+i.
Ouu muoio ny+emec+nonuu n uc+opuu, n ieoipuquu. Ouu moiy+ ionopu+i
oo ncm. B cimy ux no +eenupeuum, u s+o nyiumme H+o B pue noc-
xumumci ueo+opimu. Hunpumep, Ymep+o 0o ou usymu+eeu. Ou iono-
pu+ +u, u yp+o uuumuemi uony, u ou suue+ o s+om. B ue xony cu-
su+i, n+o sunupym s+omy n nyiumci, uo ue sunupym. H n cnpumunum cen,
n+o e +uoe yi+ypu? Kyi+ypu +ecuo cnnsuuu c penim. B npopoum pus-
mimn+i o opuo nemu, o+opym noun, nipn uu neucum u oc+unun npe-
nopunuuue. Peni ponoiuo ipnsuoe peo, nucimo uumuoio nume. Hucimo
nume. onopu+i ipnsuoe peo, no+omy n+o ionopu+i suunu+ onuponinu+i.
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B nceipu +epne+i ue moi ouqepeuuu. Koipu n i moopim, +o ynuc+-
nonu n uux, u c +ex nop n ux ue niuomy. B ue ny+emec+nym. Honemy e? Ec-
u i n i uu+ee+yuom, +o n i, ouenuo e, ny+emec+nonu. Ho n ue
ny+emec+nym, spoponie ue nosnone+. 0+u ny+emec+nun uu+ee+yuon
s+o my+onc+no. Ouu ue ny+emec+nym+, u meunm+ mec+u pn pusionopon. Ouu
ionopn+ n opuom mec+e, epy+ n ppyioe u ionopn+ +um. Ouu pue oepum+ pn
+oio, n+oi noionopu+i c ppyiumu uu+ee+yuumu. Ouu ue moiy+ oc+uuo-
nu+icn. B s+oio ue nepeuomy: ionopu+i, ionopu+i, ionopu+i Kyi+ypu, uu
mo nsinp, oneui +ecuo cnnsuuu co conom, u n s+om cmice n ueuunuy
yi+ypy, +epne+i e ue moiy.
Knep Hupne: Mi em nepumcn puspeeuum nuc+oio u ipnsuoio co-
nu, nepi +i i npepucuim npenopunu+eem, u s+o+ cousu
HnnL ena: 0+o ppyioe
Knep Hupne: Mi nepumcn s+omy uu u+epe P n pusionope o
+nom npenopunuuuu. Ho n xo+eu i noionopu+i o cousue
'()* +,)-., 010(23 ;86*
Knep Hupne: B xo+eu i nepuy+icn +em ycuunm uu pue pucun-
uue, o+opo +i npuuypuemi cen ceponu+i, xo+n u ue onsuu s+o peu+i,
uunpumep, pne uepeu noppnp xopu+i uu nic+unu [3uimupu] Hoie n My-
se conpemeuuoio ucycc+nu. Tem ue meuee, +i nuc+o, non+u cuc+emu+unecu,
xopumi n uuo, uu nic+unu unonucu Ti ue spypu+, +i ue yi+yp-
ui, +en concem ue nocxumum+ yi+ypuie, u +i mumi ionopu+i,
mpu. 3unem e +uun npu+uu, +uue ycuun? Ti uuxopumi n s+om ypo-
noic+nue?
HnnL ena: B pymum [u, ouenuo, yponoic+nue, xo+n u ue nceipu
yponoic+nue. B puccmu+punum s+o u semeu+ npeinuuun uuc+opoe. B
ue nepm n yi+ypy. Bo n+o n nepm, +u s+o no nc+penu. 0+o ue nc+penu mepy
mpimu. mpu pymum+, n+o nc+penu+icn mouo +oio c mpimu, u s+o
yucuo. H s+o coc+unne+ nuc+i yi+ypi: nc+penu uu+ee+yuon uu ncex
s+ux ouqepeuunx, +um u cnm O+npu+u+eiuo. Ho n umem n nupy nc+penu
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ue c mpimu, u c nemumu, c unonucim, c mysio. 0+o u ec+i nc+penu. He-
peceneuun mpe c mpimu s+o nonce ue nc+penu, +uo +un o+uomeuu ue
puo+ue+ u oinuo suuununue+cn pusonuponuuuem. Bc+penu mpe nceipu
u+uc+poqu. B cyo+y uu nocpeceuie, oipu n upy n uuo uu em ypu-+o,
n ue suum, npousop+ u nc+penu B npoc+o upy, uuc+opoe, n+oi ninc-
uu+i, cynu+cn u mu+epuuiuun nc+penu c up+uuo, c quimom. 0+o
sppono!
Bo+, uunpumep. Hem i n uu suuumucn, s+o nceipu nonpoc npeopoe-
uun: y+u, n+oi oc+u+icn. Tu, n+oi oc+u+icn n quocoquu, uum uyuo
ni+u us ue. Bi+u us quocoquu s+o ue suunu+ suun+icn nem-+o ppy-
ium. Mi nixopum, oc+ununci nuy+pu. He onsu+eiuo peu+i n+o-uuypi
ppyioe, uunpumep, nucu+i pomuu. B ue cmoi i uunucu+i pomuu, uo pue ec-
u i cmoi, s+o io i ucom+uo ecnoesuo. B npeopoenum quoco-
qum nocpepc+nom cumo quocoquu. Bo+ n+o meun uu+epecye+.
Knep Hupne: Huimu conumu?
HnnL ena: B npunepy npumep.
Tu u s+o ycimu+ noce moe cmep+u, n moiy ionopu+i es ncno
cpomuoc+u. Koipu-+o n uunucu uuiy o neuom quocoqe euue, n
o+opo n pusnunum noun+ue, uesuunu+eiuoe pn ueio, uo nuuoe pn meun
noun+ue cupu. B pymu, n+o uunucu uuiy no quocoquu o s+om
uemuoio c+puuuom noun+uu cupu. Hn+o e npousomo no+om?
B, u nceipu, noynu muoec+no nucem nucem sumenu+eiuix, np-
ux, o+opie meun oneui +pouyu B nucimux mue numy+ o +om, n+o n pe-
um Hpuxopn+ nucimu u o+ uu+ee+yuon, o+opim mon uuiu noupunu-
uci uu ue noupunuuci. Ho pnu nucimu iu conepmeuuo ocoimu, ouu
meun nopusuu. 0+o iu nucimu o+ mpe, o+opie mue nucuu: Bumu
cupu s+o mi. 0+o nucimo io o+ qpuuysco uccouuuu, n ue
nxopu+ ue oee ne+ipxco+ neone s+o uccouuun npousnopu+ee
cupuix up+ouuix nuno. Y uux pue ec+i cno ypuu. H no+ ouu eio
npucuu mue u uunucuu, n+o ucom+uo co muo coiucui: Bi peue+e +o
e, n+o u mi. Hy upuo, pymum, moe+ i+i u +u 3u+em n noynum ppy-
ioe nucimo, u +um ionopuoci o +om e: Cupu s+o mi!
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0+o ypunu+eiuo, s+o uunomuuue+ uc+opum Hu+ouu, o+opi, u u nce
neuue quocoqi, ue nucu uc+puu, u nnncn neuum nucu+eem
oneui oupe+uix neme. Y Hu+ouu ec+i opuu uc+opun, ouu mue oneui upu-
nu+cn ouu cnnsuuu c uunuom quocoquu Hu+ou npepuiue+ onpepee-
uue, npumepy, n+o ec+i nou+u. Hou+u s+o nuc+ipi mpe. Ho+om
nonnnm+cn mpu, u nce ouu sunnnm+: Mi u ec+i nou+uu! Honnne+cn
nuc+yx u ionopu+: B openum mpe, n uuc+onmu nuc+ipi. Honnne+cn
mncuu: B opmm mpe, n uuc+onmu nuc+ipi. Honnnm+cn conepuuu,
u n nync+nym, n+o c+ouycn c nem-+o n s+om pope. Honnuuci npousnopu-
+eu nuno, o+opie ionopn+: Cupu s+o mi!
Em opuo nucimo, o o+opom n ynomnuy, nucimo o+ cepquuiuc+on. A-
com+uo +uoe e. Hu nepni nsinp uuneio omeio c npousnopu+enmu
nuno. Ho cpqepi ionopn+: Mi nouoc+im coiucui, nepi n+o mi peu-
em? Mi noc+onuuo noipyuemcn n cupu npupopi. [n uuc npupopu s+o
conoynuoc+i nopnuuix cupo, u uumu supunu u+i n cupux nou.
u+i n cupux nou. u+i n cupux nou
To, n+o ionopn+ s+u mpu, sumenu+eiuo. Ouu +uue muie 0+o oneui
uu+epecuo, n+o s+u mpu pymum+ ue o +om, n+o +uoe cpquui, uo pymum+ o
+om, n+o ouu peum+. H mi +oe, ecu noynu+cn, noionopum o cnop+e, nepi
sunuuuponuuu u+epu S
Knep Hupne: Ho s+o e ue iu nc+penu 0+u nc+penu c npousnopu-
+enmu nuno, c cepquuiuc+umu?
HnnL ena: [u ue+, s+o u ec+i nc+penu! Ho+omy n+o, oipu n ionopm o
nixope us quocoquu nocpepc+nom cumo quocoquu, s+o +o e cumoe, n+o
nc+penu B nc+pe+ucn c npousnopu+enmu nuno. Mue io concem ueon-
su+eiuo nupe+icn c uumu. Kouenuo, ouu pucc+pouuci, pu u n pucc+poucn,
moe+ i+i pue oime ux, uo mi ue ynupeuci s+o ue uyuo. H xo+n n
nc+pe+ucn c cpquuiom, c npousnopc+nom up+ouuix nuno, nc e n ni-
me su npepei quocoquu npu nomomu cumo quocoquu. 0+o u ec+i
nc+penu.
Koipu n upy uu nic+uny, n uuc+opoe, umy up+uuy, o+opun +pouyu
i meun, nsnouonuu. Tuoe e npoucxopu+, oipu n upy n uuo B +eu+p n
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ue xoy, s+o cumom poio u +peye+ pucunuui. Cumom +omy e n
ue cnu+um s+o ucycc+no uum-+o ocoeuuim, su pepum ucmneuuem.
Hunpumep, So Yucou u Kupmeo Seue. B ue pymum, n+o n uume npemn +e-
u+p +u y nueu, su pepum ucmneuuem. Ho oc+unu+icn ne+ipe nucu n
noxom pece spoponie ue nosnone+, nos+omy +eu+p ue pn meun.
[u, u n+o ucue+cn nic+uno u uuo, y meun cupinue+cn nnenu+euue,
n+o speci n nceipu pucym nc+pe+u+icn c upee
Knep Hupne: [u, uo ue +oio 3uunu+, up+u n uuo s+o ye ue pus-
neneuue?
HnnL ena: 0+o ue npoecc oyi+ypunuuun, ue+.
Knep Hupne: 0+o ue yi+ypu, uo u ue pusneneuue
HnnL ena: H+o , pusneneuue
Knep Hupne: Ho s+o ye puo+u? [n ypymeio
HnnL ena: He+, s+o ue puo+u. 0+o nuumuuue. B uuc+opoeuuo uu-
mpum su +em, n+o npoucxopu+, ecnoou+, ypunne+. Mue s+o upunu+cn,
s+o suunuo.
Knep Hupne: Ho 0ppu Mpqu, ou e +en ue nouye+?
HnnL ena: A +o s+o?
Knep Hupne: 0ppu Mpqu s+o peuccp ue+, u+p, umepuuucu
omu, cenuc eio quimi noisym+cn ycnexom.
HnnL ena: B eio ue suum.
Knep Hupne: [u, n pymum, +i eio ue nupe Ti cmo+pumi +oio
Seuuu Xuu no +eenusopy?
HnnL ena: [u, Seuuu Xu mue uu+epeceu. [ue ecu s+o ue Soi
nec+i n+o, uo y meun ec+i npunuuu suuu+epeconu+icn.
Knep Hupne: Koipu +i upmi ypu-+o, +i umemi nc+penu?
HnnL ena: Koipu n upy ypu-+o B umy upem, o+opym moiy niue-
c+u us cnoux nc+pen, uunpumep, c quimumu.
K+o +uo neuu peuccp? 0+o o+uocu+cn u uum. To, n+o meun no-
puue+ n +uux neuux peuccpux, u Muuueu, oysu, n+o meun +poiu-
e+, s+o ux suxnuneuuoc+i upee
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Knep Hupne: C+o! Oc+uuonuci. Mi suxopum uu +eppu+opum u+epi
I.
HnnL ena: Tu no+ s+o u ec+i nc+penu! Bc+penu c nemumu, u ue
nc+penu c mpimu.
Knep Hupne: A cenuc y +en nuc+o inum+ +uue nc+penu, ecu iono-
pu+i o cenuc, u o ueom yi+ypuom nepuope?
HnnL ena: [u, ouenuo, n ye puccusu o cpqepux u npousnopu-
+enx up+ouuix nuno. H+o moe+ i+i npepucuee?
Knep Hupne: Ho
HnnL ena: 0+o, ouenuo, ue nc+penu c uu+ee+yuumu. B ue nc+pe-
numci c uu+ee+yuumu
Knep Hupne: Ho +i
HnnL ena: uu n nc+penumci c uumu no+omy, n+o +o-+o mue no-
upunucn uu us-su eio puo+i u onpepeuuoio ounuun unuoc+u Toipu
n nc+penumci c s+um ounuuem u s+o puo+o, uo ue c neoneom. B ue
suum, n+o peu+i c ppyiumu mpimu, conepmeuuo ue suum.
Knep Hupne: Ouu, nosmouo, npoc+o +py+cn o +en, u omu
HnnL ena: [u, moe+ i+i, u moe+ peo n +om, n+o ouu yucuo u-
m+. Yucuo!
<3.7=5
Knep Hupne: B yi+ype inum+ nepuopi oiu+ie u nepuopi ep-
uie
HnnL ena: [u
Knep Hupne: [uuui nepuop +i uuxopumi ue cumom oiu+im. Te-
n pusppuue+ +o, n+o nousinum+ no +eenusopy, u+epu+ypuie nepepunu,
ue ypem ionopu+i, uue Husnuuun moiy+ i+i pusuimu. H+o +i moemi
cusu+i o uumem npemeuu, ouo oiu+o uu epuo?
HnnL ena: Sepuo, ouenuo epuo! Ho s+o ue +u u noxo.
Knep Hupne: Ti uuxopumi s+o suunuim?
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HnnL ena: [u, suunuim. 3u +o npemn, n+o n npou, n ue n nepni
pus nepeunum epui nepuop. Hoce nceio, n+o mue npumoci nepeu+i,
su +o muoec+no e+, n+o e nu+ue+ mo su+ysuusm?
opi Ocnoopeuun u noce ueio ouu iu uuc+oio oiu+imu, uu-
coio s+o noome mouo noopusu+i. Mi n+o-+o noc+onuuo o+pinuu
uu nepeo+pinuu. Ocnoopeuue, nouu u +u puee s+o ue +u npoc+o,
u yco nupoiu
Mi nc o+pinuu umepuuucu pomuu, Kuqy. Hum io n+o o+-
pinu+i. Si Cup+p cenuc s+o +pypuo cee npepc+unu+i. Mi o+pinuu
pn cen u nepeo+pinuu unonuci u +u puee. Bce s+u iuiuu+cue cnopi
nopyi +oio, uyuo u io ceni uuiu Kuqu. Tenepi s+o ue+cn ueno-
opusumim u uecoio quu+uc+unuim. Ho s+o iu npesninuuo +nopne-
cun u+mocqepu. 3u+em n nepeu nepuop po mun 68-io, pu u noce ueio, o-
+opi i +ue oneui nopo+nopeu. Opuuo iu u epuie nepuopi. Ho
s+o uopmuiuo. Ho meun ecnoou+ ue ux cypoc+i, u copee nicoomepue u
uupmeuuoc+i mpe, o+opie uunounm+ s+u epuie nepuopi. Ouu oee
sie, nem +uuu+unie mpu, unymue n oiu+ie nepuopi.
Knep Hupne: Hy, ue +uue ouu u sie. Ti ionopu o cnope nopyi
Kuqu no npemn Ocnoopeuun. Hunpumep, Aecuupp Mum uuoipu ue
nu+u Kuqy u ponoeu s+um, ou ionopu+ o s+om c yio
HnnL ena: Kouenuo, ou oneui ponoeu. Hem ouu iynee, +em cnuc+-
unee. Hunpumep, oipu ouu y+neppum+, n+o +enepi u+epu+ypu uesume+-
uoe mueuioe unuoe peo Ecu +u, +o ueonsu+eiuo nu+u+i Kuqy u
ppyiue neuue npousnepeuun. Hocoiy ouu ue opumum+ nuumuuun uu
couoc+i Kuqu. Ouu ue npuuium+ ycuu. Ku i s+o oncuu+i [u-
u n nicuyci uucn+ s+ux seuix iynon.
Hepunuo n Kocmoce n nocmo+pe quim
Knep Hupne: Hupupuuon?
HnnL ena: He+, ue HupupuuonA Hupupuuon i neuoeneu!
Oneui nouymmu quim, pyccu, cun+i e+ +pupu+i uusup, uo
nime uu spuui umi uepunuo.
Knep Hupne: Komuccup [Acoiponu]?
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HnnL ena: [u, Komuccup. B quime meun nopusuu opuu nemi.
0+o+ quim i neuoeneu, upeueu, sumenu+eeu uo +y+ e n c yucom
u ueo+opim coueuuem sume+u, n+o s+o+ quim i n +onuoc+u noxo
uu +e quimi, o+opie pyccue cuumuu po noui.
Knep Hupne: Bo npemeuu 0seum+euu?
HnnL ena: Bo npemeuu 0seum+euu u [oneuo. Bc io +onuo
+ue +onuo +uo e nupueiui mou+u u +u puee. Ku yp+o co
npemu noui uuneio ue npousomo. Ku yp+o n uuemu+oipuqe uuneio ue
npoucxopuo. H n cusu cee: quim xopom, pu, uo ou oneui c+puuui
umeuuo us-su s+oio. H ecu i ou i nox, +o +oe +oio nos+omy. 0+o+
neone i opuuo n cnoe puo+e, u ou cuumu +u e, u cuumuu n pnu-
pu+ie iopi. Toipu s+o io xopomo u pue sumenu+eiuo, uo s+o io n
pnupu+ie iopi. H+o npoucxopuo noce, ou s+oio ue suu. Ou nipoc n nyc-
+iue. 0+o yucuo.
Hepeceu+i +uue nyc+iuuie nepuopi ue+pypuo Hepeceu+i +uue
nyc+iuuie nepuopi ue +uoe y oimoe peo. Yucuo popu+icn u ni-
puc+u n nyc+iue. Bo+ s+o nyiue+ Tuue mpu npousnopn+ nnenu+euue
oneui opuuoux mpe.
Knep Hupne: Ku +e, omy cenuc nocemuupu+i?
HnnL ena: [u, pome +oio, n epui nepuop, oipu n+o-+o ucnesue+,
uu+o s+oio ue sumenue+, no+omy n+o uu+o ue ucni+inue+ uexnu+u +oio,
n+o ucnesue+.
Hpu C+uuue pyccun u+epu+ypu npoc+o ucnesu. H pyccue s+oio ue
sume+uu. Ocuonuun muccu pyccux. H no+pncummun u+epu+ypu, upymun us
XIX neu, eccepuo ucnesu. [u, n nouumum, iu puccupeu+i. Ho n+o u-
cue+cn nceio pyccoio uupopu, ucnesu eio u+epu+ypu. Hcnesu eio uno-
nuci. Huu+o uuneio ue sume+u.
Ceiopun, n+o npoucxopu+ ceiopun Sesyconuo, ec+i +uuu+unie mo-
opie mpu, n ue xony i+i scnpeccunuim nosmouo, ec+i u uonie
See+i, uonie See+i ceiopunmueio pun
Knep Hupne: Mue ue+cn, +i ionopumi u o uonix quocoqux
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HnnL ena: [u, nosmouo, uonie See+i. Hpepnooum, ux ue ne-
nu+um+. Ho ue ypi See+ uunenu+uu, u i n moi cusu+i, n+o mue eio ue
xnu+ue+? Beuu nucu+ei uu ieuu s+o, no onpepeeuum, +o+, +o
npunuocu+ n+o-+o uonoe. Ecu uonoe ue nonnne+cn, +o uu+o s+oio ue sume-
nue+, o s+om ue+ pue u upeu. Ecu i Hpyc+u uu Kuqy ue onyuonuu,
u i n cmoi cusu+i, n+o mue eio ue xnu+ue+? Ecu i uuiu Kuqu n cno
npemn coiu, uu+o i ue cusu: Ax, u uum eio ue xnu+ue+! Ho+omy
n+o o um i npoc+o ue suuu. Ec+i u ceiopun uonie See+i, ipe ouu?
Moe+, um memue+ npou+icn cuc+emu uspu+eicoio peu? H mi moem
cusu+i, n+o uum ux ue xnu+ue+? 3u cnom usui n cimu uemuo sunneuu
cpepu uux yucuo ecconec+uie, ue ypy ionopu+i, omy ouu npuuupeu-
u, n opuom ypuue ionopuoci: Ox, ni suue+e, ceiopun oime ue+
pucu omuu+icn, u omucn uumup, oipu o+usucn nyuonu+i Hpy-
c+u, no+omy n+o y uuc ceiopun ec+i cpepc+nu
Knep Hupne: [n oxo+i su ioonumu? Oxo+uuu su ioonumu?
HnnL ena: 3u men+umu pn ouupyeuun uonix Hpyc+on u uo-
nix See+on. 0+o +o e cumoe, u ionopu+i, yp+o ec+i ueu cne+nu
eiepu, cnocoui ninnu+i uonoio See+u uen+o ucom+uo uenpepcu-
syemoe c +ex nop, u mi ue moem o+icu+i nopouoe no ucnycuemomy
snyy!
Knep Hupne: Ecu ou snynu+ y nume iooni!
HnnL ena: Ecu ou snynu+ y nuc uu ny+u.
H+u, c nem cnnsuu +eymu pusuc u nce s+u iynoc+u? B cnnsinum eio
c +pemn nemumu. He pymum, n+o s+o npopu+cn poio. B on+umuc+. Bo+ n+o
onpepene+ nyc+iuui nepuop.
Bo-nepnix, ypuuuc+i suxnu+uu uuuym qopmy. ypuuuc+i nu-
my+ u xopomo numy+, uo oipu ypuuuc+ nume+ uuiy, ou poeu nouu-
mu+i, n+o nepexopu+ n ppyio qopmu+. Kuuiu s+o ue c+u+in pn ypuuu.
Knep Hupne: Tem ue meuee, muoiue neuue nucu+eu umu+uponuu
c+ui ypuuuc+u, uunpumep, Muupme. Ou yxopu n ypuuuc+uy, u ue
uuoopo+
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HnnL ena: Coiuceu, coiuceu. A speci uuoopo+. ypuuuc+ u
ypuuuc+ +enepi cnu+ue+ nnoue uopmuiuim uunucu+i uuiy us +oio mu-
+epuuu, o+opoio pue pn iuse+uo c+u+iu io i muoio. 0+o uespopono.
Bo-n+opix, c+uu mupoo pucnpoc+puueuu upen o +om, n+o nucu+i moe+
mo, +u u nucimo c+uo mueuium peom oupe+uoio uupunupu, eio
cemeuoio upxunu sunucuuuoio uu upxunu n eio ioone. Y upoio ec+i
eio uc+opun mnu, eio oiuun uymu uu mu+i, ymepmun npu yucuix
oc+on+eic+nux. Ouu pymum+, n+o us s+oio moe+ noynu+icn pomuu, uo s+o
ue umee+ uuneio omeio c pomuuom. Huneio. H+u
Knep Hupne: Tpe+in npunuuu?
HnnL ena: H+pe+in npunuuuPeuiuie no+peu+eu usmeuuuci.
Kouenuo, ec+i ucmneuun, uo +i nouumuemi, n+o n umem n nupy. B
umem n nupy no+peu+ee +eenupeuun, u s+o oimun nuc+i uypu+opuu, uo
s+o ue spu+eu, u peumopu+eu.
Knep Hupne: Teespu+eu?
HnnL ena: [u, +eespu+eu.
'()* +,)-., 010(23 >,?*
Knep Hupne: H+u, +pe+in npunuuu
HnnL ena: Ku n ye cusu, no+peu+eu +eenupeuun s+o pe-
umopu+eu. H ec+i puc, n+o peuiuimu no+peu+enmu n uspu+eicom
pee ouy+cn ue no+euuuiuie nu+u+eu, u copee npopuni. A oipu
npopuni c+uuy+ peuiuimu ueu+umu uspu+eic+n, n+o npousop+? Bepi
npopunu uu+epecye+ ic+pi +onupooopo+, piuo npopyuu, ic+pi
oopo+, peum ec+ceepu u +u puee. H cepye+ pymu+i, n+o u+epu+ypu
ype+ n su+pypuu+eiuom nooeuuu, u ncn u+epu+ypu u n See+, +nopne-
cun u+epu+ypu ype+ yuun+oeuu.
Knep Hupne: [u, s+o ye cymec+nye+, nepi nc onpepene+ nyuu
HnnL ena: [u, s+o u onpepene+ sucymuni nepuop, nepuop [Sep-
uupu] Hun, u+epu+ypi uun+oec+n, ucnesuoneuun mo u+epu+ypuo
pu+uu no umn ommepneco pucpy+u. Opuuo nooeuue ue c+oi y
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esuupuo, nocoiy nceipu ype+ cymec+nonu+i nupueiui pyi ni-
pueuun, cnoeopusui npui piuo.
[n mpe s+u cu+yuun n usuu uenuuu Pyccue y+pu+uu cnom u-
+epu+ypy, uo cymeu suuono o+noenu+i e. Bc npuxopu+ n ynupo. Soiu+ie
nepuopi cmeunm+cn epuimu, uecnuc+im. K uecnuc+im!
Knep Hupne: K uecnuc+im K upee o nupueiuom pyie, npuom
piue. Ecu nyc+iuui nepuop poc+u+onuo pooi, +o u npoucxopu+ nepe-
meuu? pe-+o up+ nouu, y oio-+o ymepu popu+eu, nepuoc+i npupope,
n+o-+o n +uom pope, uo s+o uuneio ue ionopu+ o nepuope. Ku nosuuue+ o-
iu+i nepuop noce epuoio? Ti npucy+c+nonu npu nonneuuu opuoio u
ucnesuoneuuu ppyioio nepuopu?
HnnL ena: Hy pu, u n ye cusu: noce Ocnoopeuun, po mun
1968-io. Mepy oimum +nopnecum nepuopom Ocnoopeuun u uunuom
Hono noui. 0+o oipu io? B 1960-m?
Knep Hupne: B 1960-om. Moe+ puuime.
HnnL ena: Mepy 1960 u 1972 iopumu cuonu i oiu+i nepuop.
Hy pu! 0+o uemuoio noxoe uu +o, n+o cusu Hume: Ku c+peu sunycu-
e+cn n npoc+puuc+no, +u u snoxu uu uupop ninycue+ c+pey, o+opun, n
oue ouon, nupue+. 3u+em +o-+o nopupue+ e u sunycue+ nuoni. Tonuo
+ue npoucxopu+ c +nopneco u+epu+ypo, npoxopnme nepes sucymu-
ni nepuop.
D uuu n Desir (Henunne)
Knep Hupne: H uu s+o on+umuc+uneco uo+e mi nepexopum D
(Desir). H+u
Mue uyuo nocnoisonu+icn s+um uc+om n coupumci nponec+i +o,
n+o io n Larousse Petit Larousse Illustre [qpuuyscun suuone-
pun]: [es ui, qpuuyscu quocoq, popucn n Hupue n 1927 Ax,
npoc+u, n 1925
HnnL ena: 3uunu+, meun ye nmnuu n Larousse, pu?
Knep Hupne: Hy, s+o uspuuue 1988 iopu
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HnnL ena: Larousse meune+cn upi iop
Knep Hupne: Bmec+e c ueucom nu++upu ouu ionopn+ o nuuoc+u
euuun, o eio ucne+e, yu+ymmem npo+un ncex yc+uuono pue ncuxo-
uuuu+unecux. [n +oio, n+oi s+o npopemouc+puponu+i, ouu u+upym+
Au+u-0punu 1972 iopu.
Bc +onuo, +u u ncem xone+cn cnu+u+i +en quocoqom euuun. H n
xony, n+oi +i noionopu o euuuu. H+o oupe+uo osuunue+ euuue?
Hopopm s+omy nonpocy c cumo npoc+o +onu speuun. Bmec+e c Au+u-
0punom
HnnL ena: 0+o ue +o, n+o ouu nopymuu, uo, no ncnom cynue, s+o u
ue +o, o nm ouu pymuu puuime. B umem n nupy, n+o pue cumie muie m-
pu Bc ousuoci pnycmiceuuim, io uenpunuiuo noun+o u nepemo n
uoe-+o ueponouumuuue.
B cnu+um, n+o mi xo+eu nipusu+i uen+o oneui npoc+oe. Hu cumom pee,
mi iu oneui nec+omuni. Ocoeuuo oipu +o-+o nucu uuiy, mi py-
muu, n+o s+um nipusum n+o-+o uonoe, ocoeuuoe n uom-+o cmice. Mi
pymuu, n+o mpu, o+opie nucuu po uuc, ue nouumuu, n+o +uoe euuue.
Tuum opusom, ninounn cnom quocoqcym supuny, mi uupenuci npep-
ou+i uoni ouen+ euuun.
Ho, n+o ucue+cn ouen+on, mpu, o+opie ue cnnsuui c quocoque,
ue poui pymu+i, n+o s+u ouen+i necimu uc+pu+ui Hunpo+un, ouu
o+uocn+cn nemy-+o oneui npoc+omy, oneui oupe+uomy, o nm mi em no-
ionopum He+ +uux quocoqcux ouen+on, o+opie ue umem+ ue-
quocoqcux ooppuuu+. 0+o oneui npoc+o u onpepeuuo. To, n+o mi xo+e-
u nipusu+i, io npome npoc+oio. Mi xo+eu cusu+i, n+o ni po cux nop
ionopu+e o euuuu uc+pu+uo, no+omy n+o o+pene+e +o, n+o pouo i+i
oe+om numux euuu. Bo+ nonemy mouo cusu+i: n eum eumuuy,
eum ny+emec+nonu+i, eum s+o, eum +o. Mi ionopuu uen+o no-
uuc+onmemy oneui npoc+oe, concem npoc+oe: ni uuoipu ue eue+e oio-+o
uu n+o-+o, ni nceipu eue+e conoynuoc+i. 0+o uecouo.
Hum nonpoc: n+o ec+i npupopu o+uomeuu mepy semeu+umu, oipu
nosuuue+ euuue, oipu s+u semeu+i c+uuonn+cn euemimu? B umem n
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nupy, n ue eum eumuuy mue c+ipuo ionopu+i +uoe. Mepy +em Hpyc+
ye cusu +u, u y ueio s+o io pucuno nipueuo: B ue eum eumu-
uy n eum nesu, o+opi oy+u s+y eumuuy, nesu, o+opi, ue
suum, nueu u, uo n nync+nym eio. H nou n em ue pusiupu s+o+ nesu,
o+opi cnpuy+ n ue, +o ue ypy cnuc+un, uo +u mo euuue ue ype+
ypone+nopeuo ouo oc+uue+cn ueypone+nopuuim.
B nepm n omuoc+i s+ux pnyx cuiuemix: eumuuu/nesu, u s+o co-
ncem ppyioe. Ecu eumuuu ionopu+: B xony nu+ie uu, uunpumep, ys-
y, onenupuo, n+o ouu ue eue+ uym-+o uc+pu+uym nemi. Ouu xone+ s+o
n puuuom ou+ec+e, n ou+ec+e coc+neuuo usuu, o+opym ouu cnuuu-
pye+, u euuue s+o cnnsuuo ue +oio c nesuem, uo u c mpimu, o+opie
nnnm+cn e ppysinmu uu e ue nnnm+cn umu, c e npoqeccue u +u pu-
ee.
B uuoipu ue eum uen+o cumo no cee, mue +ue ue uyuu s+u cono-
ynuoc+i, uo n eum n+o-+o, ucxopn us ue. [u, mi moem nepuy+icn +o-
my, n+o ocypuu puuee, uoiom, ninune. Him+ ue no+omy, n+o xo-
+n+ nu+i u +oio. 0+o suunu+, n+o n xony ninu+i, nou suun+ peom uu
nou ypy o+pixu+i nopy, uupy cee omnuuum, n+oi ninu+i n uom-
uuypi mueuiom uqe. Huimu conumu, ue+ euuun, o+opoe ue o+uocu-
oci i uuc+onmemy n umem n nupy, n+o ouo npo+eue+ n coneuuu.
Tu euuue pn meun nceipu io n umy o+nenuui +epmuu, o+o-
pi moe+ sumeuu+i s+o cono ouc+py+unuim. eu+i suunu+ cospu-
nu+i conoynuoc+i, ouc+pyuponu+i coneuue: ypi +o mu, couenui
yn
Knep Hupne: uu eumuuu.
HnnL ena: Yuu, eumuuu, nesu
Knep Hupne: ne+
HnnL ena: ne+, no+ n+o ec+i euuue: ouc+pyuponuuue cone-
uun, ceponu+eiuo ouc+pyuponuuue cpepi. euuue s+o ouc+pyupo-
nuuue. H+u, n ionopm, mi n Au+u-0pune ni+uuci
Knep Hupne: Mouo?..
HnnL ena: [u?
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Knep Hupne: Hs-su +oio, n+o euuue s+o coneuue, suunu+ u s+o,
n+o pn ueio uyui pnoe? B omem, +oipu ueuc i ueoxopum u +o-
+o, +o +oipu npum i uu nomomi?
HnnL ena: Pusne n+o uy, moe+, s+o oime cnnsuuo c +em, n+o mi
poui ypem ocypu+i uucn+ ppyi, o cnnsu mepy quocoque u +em,
n+o ucue+cn noun+un ppyi Ho, ouenuo, y uuc c ueucom iu omuu-
pu, s+o +u Sinum+ omuupi us opuoio neoneu, u n nuc+o non+opnm,
em inum+ inum+ us pnoux, u c ueucom nc, n+o n peu c uum, i-
u uumu omun puo+u, n npoecce o+opo mi c uum nsuumopec+nonuu.
To ec+i, nc s+o o+uocu+cn qusunecum nneuunm.
[n +oio, n+oi npousomo coi+ue, ueoxopumu pusuoc+i no+euuu-
on, u pn +oio, n+oi iu s+u pusuoc+i no+euuuon, +peym+cn pnu ypon-
un, n+oi npousomo uen+o Ec+i ncnimu uu e e ue+, u ue+ o+punu H
s+o nceeo sunucu+ o+ euuun. 0+o u ec+i euuue, ouc+pyuponuuue. Ku-
pi us uuc nponopu+ cno npemn, ouc+pyupyn Koipu +o-+o ionopu+, u-
pi pus ou ionopu+, n+o eue+ +oio uu uuoio, u s+o osuunue+, n+o ou uu-
xopu+cn n npoecce ouc+pyuponuuun uu coneuun, u s+o ec+i uun+o uuoe,
u euuue u uuneio oee.
<3.7=5
Knep Hupne: Tonuee, s+o nixopu+ cynuuo, no+omy n+o euuue n
conoynuoc+u, n coneuuu o s+om uunucuuo n Au+u-0pune, ipe iono-
pu+cn o euuuu, u +i ionopumi o s+om n cnoe nepno uuie, uunucuuuo
conmec+uo c em-+o+o ec+i c ueucom nu++upu?
HnnL ena: [u, +i conepmeuuo npunu Kouenuo e, uum uyuo i-
o n+nuy+icn n uonym pn uuc omuoc+i, n+oi nucu+i npnom, no+omy n+o
upi us uuc nouumue+ u un+ no-cnoemy, u +oio +u s+o npop+. A
ecu n+o-+o npoxopu+, +o ocuonuun peuun npupeuoc+i no o+uome-
uum pomuuupymme ouenuu euuun ncuxouuuu+uneco.
Huc pouo io i+i pnoe: ueuc, pusupummucn n ncuxouuuuse,
u n, uu+epecymmucn s+o +emo. Mi xo+eu ume+i nosmouoc+i puso-
pu+icn n ouc+py+unuo, ouc+py+unuc+co ouenuu euuun.
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Knep Hupne: A moi i +i onpepeu+i, ic+po u npoc+o, uun no-
+noemy pusuuu mepy ouc+py+unusmom u uuuu+uneco uu+epnpe+uu-
e?..
HnnL ena: [ymum, n+o cpeu+i s+o concem eio, ecu ynu+inu+i
uumy nosuum n o+uomeuuu ncuxouuuusu
Ec+i uecoio ucne+on, uo n+o ucue+cn npoemi euuun, +o ncuxo-
uuuu+uu ionopn+ o euuuu +onuo +u e, u u cnnmeuuuu, u s+o ue
+oio cpunueuue, nepi ouu cnnmeuuuu-ncuxouuuu+uu. Ouu ionopn+ o
s+om, npupinunci ipomumu conumu o uc+puuu uc+puun, ouu xye
nepnopopuoio ipexu, uc+puun s+o cnoeio popu ppenuee npon+ue, o-
+opoe opuosuunuo nyiue+.
H+o e mi noc+upuuci pousu+i n Au+u-0pune? [ymum, ec+i +pu oc-
uonuix momeu+u, npo+unonoouix ncuxouuuusy. H s+u momeu+i Hy, n
+u pymum u nouium, +u pymue+ ueuc nu++upu, mi i ue suxo+eu su-
meuu+i ppyiumu.
Bo+ s+u +pu momeu+u.
Mi yepeui, n+o eccosuu+eiuoe s+o ue +eu+p, ue mec+o, ipe 0pun u
ume+ ecouenuo uipum+ cnou ceui. 0+o ue +eu+p, u qupuu, s+o npo-
usnopc+no Seccosuu+eiuoe +um cospu+, ecouenuo npousnopu+ Ouo
qyuuouupye+, u qupuu, u s+o u pus npo+unonoouo ncuxouuuu-
+unecomy npeuum eccosuu+eiuoio u +eu+pu, ipe nceipu cimeu nonpoc
ume+u u nupuo, u 0pun ueyc+uuuo u ecouenuo up+ cnoum ny+m
B+opun +emu +emu pepu, o+opi oneui +ecuo cnnsuu c euuuem.
eu+i suunu+, n ueo+opo c+eneuu, pepu+i Ecu puccmo+pe+i pep n
cnnsu c nem yiopuo, +o ec+i mo pep ou oue+cn nouo npo+unono-
ouoc+im +omy, n nm uuxopu+ suenu ncuxouuuus, +o ec+i, mi ue pe-
pum o o+e uu o mu+epu. Copee nceio, mi pepum o nm-+o concem
uuom. 0+o u ec+i neuun +uuu pepu: mi pepum oo ncm mupe. To ec+i
pepum o uc+opuu, ieoipuquu, nemeuux, nyc+iunx, uupopux
Knep Hupne: O umu+unecux yconunx
HnnL ena: pucux, umu+e, no+ o nm mi pepum. Tuon mup
pepu: B snepi, n ueip, u nucu Pemo. Bonpoc n +om, ipe mou ne-
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meuu, u ouu yc+poeui, u niunum+ n nyc+iue u +u puee? Hyc+iun
uy, peupuym ieonou+uneu; ncuxouuuus nceipu cnnsinue+ eio c cemeui-
mu pe+epmuuuu+umu.
[ue noce c+oiux e+ co npemu Au+u-0punu, n y+neppum, n+o
ncuxouuuus uuoipu u ucom+uo uuneio ue suu o qeuomeue pepu. Mi
pepum o mupe, u ue o cnoe mueuio cemie. H s+o nc nepeceue+cn: o-
ipu n ionopu, n+o u+epu+ypu s+o ue ni-+o mueuioe nuc+uoe peo, nc
s+o cnopu+cn opuomy u +omy e. H pep +ue ue cnnsuu c o+om u mu+e-
pim.
H +pe+ie s+o onn+i euuue. euuue nceipu cumoy+neppue+cn, ouo
nceipu ouc+pyupye+cn, cumoy+neppue+cn n s+ux coneuunx, nceipu nuocu+
n uipy uecoio qu+opon, u ncuxouuuus uenpec+uuuo cnopu+ nc epu-
uomy qu+opy, nceipu opuomy u +omy e: uuoipu s+o o+e, uuoipu mu+i,
uuoipu quoc u +omy nopouoe. Ho ncuxouuuus n nouom uenepeuuu o
+om, n+o osuunue+ muoec+neuuoc+i, ou ue cmicu+ n ouc+py+unuoc+u, +o
ec+i n coneuuu.
B npunepy uecoio npumepon. Mi puuee ionopuu o uno+uom. B
ncuxouuuuse uno+uoe opus o+u, mouo cusu+i, n+o omupi opus
o+u. 0+o +uun npn+un my+u. B pymum o npumepe mueuioio uucu
s+o +o+ peuo, o o+opom upep nicusu cno mueuue Ou ionopu o nu-
peuuu omupu uu yue u o ynepe, o+opi i+ omupi uy+om, u ouu nc
npopoue+ piu+icn [o +oio, u nonnuuci un+omouu, s+o io
oinuim speumem uu yuux u nem-+o oneui nnenu+nmmum pn peuu.
Hepni pus, oipu peuo nupu+ u omupi nupue+ uu yue, u noynin-
ui ynep ni+ue+cn ypupumu uy+u noc+unu+i e uu uoiu, moe+ nisnu+i
+uue smouu 0+o npoucxopuo uu yue, u yunuie coi+un uuoipu
oneui ponunie.
A su+em mouo ycimu+i, u ncuxouuuu+u ionopu+ o opuse o+u u
+u puee. B eio ioone s+o nc +u suny+uuo. euuue uuu ue ucue+cn
ynunme u usu+o uu yue omupu, o+opun ymupue+ +um u +omy nopo-
uoe. 0+o copee omnec, uenepon+ui omnec pn peuu, npunopn-
mu ocuonu+eiuim uupymeuunm.
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Bo+ em opuu npumep, o+opi n moiy npunec+u: mi ionopuu o u-
no+uom. H+o +uoe uno+uoe? He+ +uoio uno+uoio, o+opoe moio i i+i
npoopusom o+u. uno+uie oinuo ipynnupym+cn, ue nonnnm+cn n opu-
uony.
B noynum muoio yponoic+nun, oipu pymum o opuom pee n ooue-
mom muo +ec+e Kuiu, o+opi ym o+ upepu noce pu+eiuoio co-
+pypuunec+nu. Kui puccusu upepy, n+o emy npucuucn cen, u upep
concem uuneio ue noun. Ou noc+onuuo ionopu Kuiy: Ecu num npucuu-
uci oc+i, s+o osuunue+, n+o +o-+o counue+cn. Ho Kui nc npemn ionopu
emy: B ue ionopu num o oc+u, mue npucuucn cen. upep s+oio +u u
ue noun. To ec+i ou ue moi yonu+i pusuuy mepy cenom u oc+im
Cen coc+ou+ us co+eu, +icnn, us pecn+u +icnn oc+e Bo+ n+o ec+i muo-
ec+neuuoc+i u coneuue. B xoy n cene H+o s+o osuunue+? pe npo-
xopu+ euuue? B coneuuu nceipu nc oe+unuo, s+o cnoeio popu ou-
c+py+unusuun u +u puee, u s+o u ec+i euuue. Cpepu neio ocymec+nn-
e+cn mo euuue, cpepu +icnnu nepenon, s+o +icnnu oc+e? B uo
ipynne uno+uix ocymec+nne+cn mo euuue? Kuon mo c+u+yc n s+o
ipynne? Moe+, n ue nxoy n ue, n pnpom, moe+ nuy+pu ue, n cumom
eu+pe? Bc s+o qeuomeu euuun. 0+o u ec+i cumo euuue.
Knep Hupne: A +onuee oe+unuoe coneuue Koipu i uunu-
cuu +ec+ Au+u-0punu n 1972 iopy, i u ou peqecue uup oe+un-
uimu coneuunmu noce oupe+uix coi+u mun 68 iopu?..
HnnL ena: Bo+ umeuuo!
Knep Hupne: H i u ou peuue uu +o+ onpepeuui nepuop
npo+un ncuxouuuusu, o+opi peu cno meoe peo?..
HnnL ena: Mouo +oio cusu+i, n+o s+o i pep o pucux u
nemeuux, pep o mpnx, pep o uc+opuu u ieoipuquu mue ue+cn,
n+o nc s+o uunuoci c mun 68 iopu. To ec+i, u mue ue+cn, n mue 68-io
iu cpeuuu noni+u cospu+i npoc+puuc+no nuc+oio nospyxu, spoponym
ouc+i n cnp+om nospyxe ncenpocemeuoio pepu. H +oipu mpu conep-
meuuo ncuo ynupeu, n+o s+o i pep Ecu mue suxone+cn pepu+i, pep
ype+ ue o mom pe+c+ne, o moe mueuio nuc+uo usuu. Mi pepum
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Spep s+o ocmunecoe. Mi pepum o oue cne+u, nuc+u, se+pouon, u
ue o nune u mume, u s+o onenupuo.
'()* +,)-., 010(23 4,586*
Knep Hupne: H+o , umeuuo no nonopy s+oio oe+unuoio cone-
uun euuun n npunomuuum uecoio suunuix uc+opu B nomum, u n
Beuceue n 1970 iopy iu mpu, o+opie ucnoisonuu uu npu+ue eu-
uue, n+o npuneo ueo+opim oe+unuim yneneuunm. Sio noxoe
uu +o, n+o ouu uuoipu s+oio po ouu ue nouumuu. H n xo+eu i Hu,
copee nceio, peo n +om, n+o n Beuceue io muoio ncuxon. Tu u +i
npepnpuun musouuuus npo+un ncuxouuuusu, nce nopymuu, n+o ponoiuo
npun+uo i+i ncuxom u muso Tuum opusom cpepu c+ypeu+on c+uu su-
menu+i uenepon+uoe. B xo+eu i, n+oi +i puccusu mue uc+opuu suun-
uie uu ue concem, uc+opuu o s+ux ueponouumuuunx c euuuem.
HnnL ena: Hy, o ueponouumuuunx Hunepuoe, n nopopy s+omy
oee o+nenuuo. 0+u cynuu n eom iu cnnsuui c pnymn momeu+umu, c
pnymn coi+unmu, o+opie iu n nm-+o uuuoiunui: ueo+opie pymuu,
n+o euuue s+o qopmu cnou+uuuoc+u, +u n+o nce nupi pnueuun
cnou+uuuoc+i; u ppyiue pymuu, n+o euuue s+o nosmouoc+i nenuoio
npuspuuu. Mi ue cnu+uu s+o uu +em u uu ppyium, uo s+o io ue +u y u
nuuo, nepi conoynuoc+u nonunu pue uu cymucmepmux, uu ncuxon u
ux io +u muoio, ncex nupon, ouu iu nuc+im +oio, n+o +oipu npoucxopu-
o n Beuceue. Ho y ncuxon iu cnon pucunuuu, ux coc+neuuie muuepi
Y uux iu cnou penu, cnou pucypci, u ouu +ue couc+pyuponuu coc+-
neuuoe coneuue u npeycneu n s+om. 0+o iu cnoeio popu yonu, npuun-
+ue, oinuun popun non esymen.
Ho, ecu xonemi, uu +eope+unecom yponue uu uu npu+ue s+o iu
coneuun, o+opie iu cospuui u pucnuuci. Teope+unecu, io i ue-
popusymeuuem cusu+i: upuo, euuue cnou+uuuoc+i, +u u +o, u eio
uusinum+, cnou+uuuo; uu e s+o neceie, u ue +o, n+o o s+om pymuu.
Tu uusinuemun quocoqun euuun sumnue+cn n opumeuuu mpnm:
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ue nosnon+e ncuxouuuusuponu+i cen, npepumu+e uu+epnpe+uponu+i,
uunuuu+e ouc+pyuponu+i u c+unu+i oni+i, scnepumeu+uponu+i co cnou-
mu coneuunmu. Hnyc+i upi ume+
H+u, n+o e +uoe coneuue? Ho-moemy, coneuue ueuc +u ue
pymue+, ou pymue+ no-ppyiomy, nosmouo He suum n cusu i c ynepeu-
uoc+im, n+o ec+i ne+ipe coc+unnmmue coneuun, ecu xonemi Ecu ni-
puu+icn ipyo, xo+n n s+omy ue coueu, moe+ pue mec+i
Coneuue, o+opoe yusinue+ uu nooeuue neme, +u, n+oi u-
pi us uuc moi uu+u +o nooeuue neme, o+opoe emy nopxopu+. Hu-
npumep, mue upunu+cn ninunu+i n s+om uqe, uo mue ue upunu+cn n ppyiom,
upunu+cn oc+uuonu s+oio uqe u +u puee. 0+o uusinue+cn nooeuuem
neme.
[pyiun c+opouu coneuun opo+ue qpusi, +un y+neppeuu. Y
upoio ec+i cnoeio popu c+ui, cno cnoco ionopeuun. Tuum opusom, s+o
sunucu+ o+ pnyx neme. B uqe, uunpumep, inum+ ppysin, u y upoio cnon
muuepu pusionopu, +o ec+i upoe uqe umee+ cno c+ui n ionopm o uqe,
uo s+o o+uocu+cn u o ncemy ppyiomy. Hy no+, suunu+, n coneuue nxopu+
coc+onuue neme u em yc+uuonu, c+uu nicusinuuun s+o pec+-
nu+eiuo uu+epecuo H umeuuo us s+oio coc+ou+ uc+opun. Koipu nonnne+-
cn uoni nup yc+uuonu Hunpumep, oipu no npemn pycco penomuu
nonnuuci euuuuc+cue yc+uuonu, u s+o npousomo, n uo qopme? H
oipu n mue 68-io nonnuuci +u uusinuemie yc+uuonu 68 iopu? 0+o oneui
couo. B mom cynue, upoe coneuue umee+ cno c+ui.
Coneuue npepnouiue+ +eppu+opum, upi e niupue+ uu cospu+
pue npoc+o nxopn n omuu+y, +i niupuemi +eppu+opum. B nxoy n ue-
suuomym omuu+y u umy +eppu+opum, +o ec+i +o mec+o n omuu+e, ipe n nyn-
c+nym cen ynme.
Em inum+ +uue npoecci, o+opie uusinum+cn pe+eppu+opuuusu-
ue, +o ec+i +o, u +o-+o noupue+ +eppu+opum.
B i cusu, n+o coneuue nmnue+ n cen s+u ne+ipe ucne+u: noo-
euue neme, pusuonupuoc+u c+un, +eppu+opuu, npoecc pe+eppu+opuuu-
suuu. Hs s+oio [us s+ux omnoueu+on] coc+ou+ euuue. Tu n+oncuxu
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Knep Hupne: Ti nync+nonu cen o+ne+c+neuuim su mpe, o+opie
npuuumuu uupo+uu noce +oio, u ynuiuo nounu +o, n+o uunucuuo n
Au+u-0pune? B s+o +omy, n+o nepi s+o ue npoemu, peo ue n +om, n+o
+o-+o nopc+peue+ moopix uu iynie noc+ynu.
HnnL ena: Bceipu +o-+o nync+nye+ cen o+ne+c+neuuim su +oio, y
oio peu noxu
Knep Hupne: Kuono e io nunuue Au+u-0punu?
HnnL ena: n nceipu c+upucn peu+i n+o moi, pn +oio, n+oi nc
io xopomo. B mom cynue, n cnu+um, n+o s+o peo nec+u. B uuoipu s+o-
io ue cpinu. Huoipu ue ionopu c+ypeu+um, n+o npuuumu+i uupo+uu
xopomo, u nceipu peu n+o moi, n+oi nomoni mpnm npo+u mumo s+oio.
Ho+omy n+o n n+o nouumum, n+o muemun nemi moe+ nuesunuo cu+i
neoneu u npenpu+u+i eio n puoe cymec+no. Hy, ecu ouu nim+ B uuoipu
uuoio ue nuum H+o i ouu ue peuu, y meun npoc+o ue+ euuun nuuu+i
oio-+o Ho n nync+nym, n+o uyuo i+i uuney, n+oi yonu+i momeu+,
oipu nemu nixopn+ us-nop ou+pon. Hyc+i ouu nim+ u npuuumum+ uupo-
+uu, nyc+i peum+, n+o xo+n+. B umem n nupy, n+o mi ue quu u ue ux o+-
i. B ue xo+e npepo+npu+u+i n+o-uo, uo, no puue mepe, n ni+ucn um
nomoni ue npenpu+u+icn n yny oxmo+ien.
Bcnu pus, oipu ec+i puc, n ue moiy c s+um cnpunu+icn. B moiy cnpu-
nu+icn c uupomuuom, uo ue c +em, +o npuuumue+ c+oio uupo+uon, n+o
poxopu+, uy, n ue suum, po puoio coc+onuun. B ionopm cee, n+o ou comue+-
cn. B s+oio ue +epnm, ocoeuuo cpepu moopix Ti ynomnuyu moopix
B ue +epnm, oipu moopie omum+cn, s+o npoc+o ueniuocumo. Ecu omu-
e+cn nouo neone u pue conepmue+ cumoyuc+no, +o ou, no puue
mepe, ye npou usui, uo ecu ue nipepunue+ moopo, us-su iynoc+u,
esuuepuoc+u, no+omy n+o ni+ cumom muoio u +u puee Tuum opu-
som, n nceipu puspinumci mepy uenosmouoc+im onuuu+i oio-+o u uco-
m+uim euuuem uu, copee, ucom+uim uenpun+uem +oio, n+o +o-+o
c+uue+ umopquo mucco. Ho, suuemi, mepy s+um +ouun ipuui.
He moiy cusu+i, n+o speci ec+i npunuiuie npuuuni, y upoio ou-
pe+ui cynu, u s+o npunpu, n+o poi mpe n +uue momeu+i noni-
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+u+icn cnuc+u s+ux moopix pen+, uucoio s+o nosmouo. A cnuc+u ue
suunu+ suc+unu+i xopu+i no npnmo u yso popoie, s+o suunu+ nomemu+i
um c+u+i ecqopmeuuimu cymec+numu. 0+o nc, n+o n moiy cusu+i.
Knep Hupne: He+, uo mi nepi ionopuu o nunuuu Au+u-0punu,
io u ouo?
HnnL ena: Tu u ec+i, ouo sumnuoci n +om, n+oi ue pu+i mpnm
c+u+i ecnomomuimu, oipupu+i o+ pusnu+un puuue c+upuu musoqpeuuu, ue
pu+i um nnuc+i n coc+onuue, npu o+opom ouu nonupum+ n ncuxuu+punecue
eneuui u +omy nopouoe, uu oipupu+i ux o+ +ex, +o ue +epnu+ uo-
ioi uu uoiouu ue pu+i su+u n +ynu, cpeu+i nc, n+oi neone
moi oc+uuonu+icn
Knep Hupne: Tem ue meuee, iu u s+u uuiu uuc+oio penomu-
ouuo, uucoio usuoci e npuium, ncuxouuuu+uum, oncunu u nce-
posnoeuuoc+i, u io u n ue nc, n+o +i cusu?..
HnnL ena: Kouenuo e, ue+. Kuuiu uuoipu ue iu B umem n nu-
py, oipu nu+um+ s+y uuiy, n ue ocoeuuo nipene+cn npesninuuoe u-
iopusymue.
Ypo uuiu +uon: He c+uuonuci pnuuim +pnnim. Mi uuoipu ue nepe-
c+unuu conpo+unn+icn penpeccunuomy oiuunuomy npoeccy musoqpe-
uusuuu, u pn uuc neci yuc sumnucn n nonneuuu oiuunuoio cyme-
c+nu. Hun+o ppyioe ue umeo suuneuun. B i pue cusu, n+o pusionop o
cumn+omux npope +punu [voyage], o +om, n+o ncuxuu+pi uusinum+ +pu-
nom musoqpeuunecoio npoeccu, neuci +u, n+oi npepo+npu+u+i, npe-
pu+u+i nonneuue ecnomomuix oiuunuix cymec+n, +o ec+i, nonneuue
musoqpeuuon, ux npousnopc+no.
Knep Hupne: 3uuununun pusionop o Au+u-0pune, xony cnpocu+i,
pymuemi u +i, n+o s+u uuiu uu ceiopunmuu peui nc em ousinue+ u-
oe-+o nunuue?
HnnL ena: [u, s+o xopomun uuiu, ouu xopomu, no+omy n+o, uu mo
nsinp, puccmu+punue+ eccosuu+eiuoe, umeuuo n ue puccmu+punue+cn s+o+
ouen+ eccosuu+eiuoio. B umem n nupy, c +onu speuun s+ux pnyx-+px
nyu+on: muoec+neuuoc+i eccosuu+eiuoio; pep u pep o mupe, u ue o
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cemie, ocmunecu pep, pep puc, pep nemu s+o xopomo; eccosuu-
+eiuoe, u mexuuusm uu qupuu, u ue u +eu+p. Mue ueneio usmeuu+i n
s+ux +px nyu+ux, u, no-moemy, s+o oc+u+cn ucom+uo uonim mueuuem,
+u u nce nupi ncuxouuuusu iu nepecmo+peui. B nepm u uupemci, n+o
s+u uuiu ype+ nuoni o+pi+u, i+i moe+ B ypy mou+icn, n+oi e
cuonu usynuu
+,>8638 010(23
E uuu n Enfance (e1c1no)
Knep Hupne: upuo, E s+o [e+c+no (Enfance).
Ti nceipu ionopu, n+o uunu usui uu uneum Buipum, n 17-om upou-
pucmuue [opyie] u u co cnoe mu+epim uu yue [ouuiu 17-io opyiu
Cenuc +i unmi uepueo o+ nomupu Kumu, n epuom puoue pn-
pom c cemuupu+im opyiom uu yue Susep+. Mouo nopymu+i, n+o +i ue
nipepumi, ecu mpu o s+om ysuum+. Mi moiu i yusu+i +no uppec.
Ho mue uu+epecuo, iu u +non cemin ypyusuo? B umem n nupy +u uu-
sinuemie npunie [droite] ypyusuie cemiu.
HnnL ena: B ionopm s+o, nceipu ionopm, oipu ppysin cnpumunum+
meun o s+om. 0+o +u, u s+o cnnsuuo c npoucxopeuuem. B cuunuu u n
ynme nuc+u 17-io opyiu, n oneui pucuno eio nuc+u, u no+om, n +eneuue
pe+c+nu, n nepeu ponoeuui pusuc y meun oc+uuci pe+cue nocnomu-
uuuun o pusuce, n +oipu i em mueuiu.
Opuo us s+ux nocnomuuuuu cnnsuuo co muoec+nom nyc+ymmux nup-
+up Y mpe +oipu ue io peuei, u nup+upi cpunuuci noncmpy, noome
nespe. H no+ mou popu+eu iu niuypeui nouuy+i pucunym nup+upy n
ynme nuc+u 17-io opyiu, nose Tpuymquiuo upu, u no+om ouu c+uu
u+i ny+i uue, uo u s+o io uenoxoe mec+o uepueo o+ yinupu
Muisep, uu mueuio yue [ouuiu. A nose, oipu n nepuycn n Hu-
pu ye nspocim, nup+upu uuxopuuci n puiue nuc+u 17-io opyiu cum
opyi i sunoueu muiusuunuumu npoe+upcoio +unu uu yue Hoe,
uepueo o+ pomu Bepeuu, o+opi i ueoiu+.
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Bo+ o+ypu n popom, u n ue suum, ipe ypy nepes uecoio e+, uo nep-
cne+uni ue oneui xopomue.
Knep Hupne: Hupemci, n+o n Ceu+-Yuue [uumu cenepui nu-
pucu puou].
HnnL ena: B Ceu+-Yuue, pu
H+o ucue+cn moe cemiu, pu, s+o iu ypyusuun cemin, npunun, ue+
xo+n pu, npunun, ouu y +onuo ue iu enimu.
Hyuo ncnomuu+i oc+uuony +oio npemeuu. Y meun oc+uoci uecoio
pe+cux nocnomuuuuu, no+omy n+o mue usuoci, n+o c ux nomomim eine
o+usu+icn o+ npomoio, nem ncnomuu+i eio Humn+i, uyuu xopomun nu-
mn+i, n+oi cpeu+i s+o umeuuo +u, no+omy n+o s+o ue upxun. Y meun ec+i
+uue nocnomuuuuun Homum eesuie peici, u no popoie onneuun
Cpu+cn n upeupy. B npom nepes muoioe.
Knep Hupne: B uom iopy s+o io?
HnnL ena: O, n ue sunomuuum pu+i C 30-io no 35-i B pec+nu-
+eiuo ue suum
Knep Hupne: Tee io pecn+i e+.
HnnL ena: Y mpe ue io peuei B popucn n 1925 iopy, pu, uo n
nomum quuuuconie couoc+u Hmeuuo s+o nomemuo mue npo+u oyne-
uue y uesyu+on, y moux popu+ee ue io cpepc+n ouu nuuuponuu oy-
neuue y uesyu+on, uo n nom n ue, oipu uuc+ynu pusuc. A no+om i-
o em n+o-+on ue nomum
Siu em uue-+o npoemi, o+opie n nomuu Ho n sui. Hy,
s+o ue umee+ suuneuun A no+om uunuuci nouu, u mo o+e [u, s+o iu
cemin, s+o +u, cemin npunix, no+omy n+o n nomum s+o conepmeuuo ncuo
mi uuoipu ue suinuu o s+om, nos+omy n ynme nouumu puo+opu+ee,
o+opix cenuc uusinum+ uunuiuuumu: uenosmouo nonepu+i, n+o ouu
ymu us [couuuc+unecoio] Hupopuoio qpou+u. Ses comueuu s+o +u
pue pn +ex, +o ue nepeu s+o, uo u pn muoiux, +o npom nepes s+o, u
pn uux uupopui qpou+ i npoopusom xuocu, xye, nem n mue 68-io.
Tem ue meuee, n nomum, n+o ncn s+u ypyusun npunix coc+onu us uu-
+ucemu+on, u [eou] Smm [upep uupopuoio qpou+u] s+o io uen+o
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0+o io uen+o yucuoe, ueuunuc+i no o+uomeuum [Hiepy] Meupec-
upuucy [muuuc+p npu Smme]. Ho s+o io uun+o no cpunueuum c +o ueuu-
nuc+im, o+opym ucni+u Smm, +u u ou i no-uuc+onmemy nepnim
ou onu+u o+nyc, u peuun uu s+o iu nyponumuo.
Knep Hupne: Hepni eni enpe
HnnL ena: Ax, Smm i ou i ue suum, u s+o nipusu+i
ou pn uux i xye pinnou. Hu+o ue cmoe+ noun+i, u He+eu cmoi su-
xnu+u+i nuc+i, ue nouumun yponun uu+ucemu+usmu n +o+ nepuop no upuu-
uu. Y qpuuysco ypyusuu +oio npemeuu ueuunuc+i me+opum couu-
usmu, npunu+eic+ny Smmu iu npoc+o yucumme. A mo o+e i
uemuoio Croix-de-feu [ipynnu ne+epuuon Hepno Mupono], pu O, s+o io
oneui pucnpoc+puueuo n +o+ nepuop.
H+u, s+o iu ypyusuun cemin, cemin npunix ueyi+unupyemun
Cymec+nonuu yi+unupyemun ypyusun, uo +o iu ucom+uo ueyi+u-
nupyemun ypyusun. Xo+n mo o+e i oneui npun+uim, popoeu+ei-
uim, xopomum u muim, uo meun pec+nu+eiuo ypunno s+o uucuue no
o+uomeuum Ou npom nouy 1914-18 iopon, muponym nouy 0+o mouo
noun+i n omux nep+ux, uo uenosmouo npepc+unu+i n pe+unx. 0+u ne+epu-
ui noui 1914-18 iopon, nuesunui uu+ucemu+usm, npemn pusucu uo n+o
s+o i su pusuc, uu+o s+oio ue nouumuTu no+
Knep Hupne: A nem ou suuumucn?
HnnL ena: Ou i uueuepom, uo oneui ueoinuim uueuepom. B
npunomuuum pnu eio suun+un. Ou usop uo ou u s+o i? uu, mo-
e+, ou npoc+o npopunu? nemec+no, o+opoe peue+ pimy uenpouuue-
monopouenpouuuemo. Ho no npemn pusucu y ueio oc+ucn +oio opuu
puo+uu, u+uinue uuoc+puue, o+opi ue +u xopomo puo+u.
A no+om s+o peo pucnuoci, u ou nepenuuquuponucn, suuncn o-
ee cepisuim npousnopc+nom uux-+o pupuue, uspoc+u+on, nouumu-
emi? Ho +oipu s+o io ucom+uo ecnoesuim po uoio-+o momeu+u n
1939 iopy, oipu ouu nonnuuci uup Hupuem, n+oi oc+uuonu+i uemeue
cumo+i He suum nonemy, uo ouu iu +onuo non+onie ioyu. Hos+omy,
oipu uemi suunu sunop, ipe puo+u mo o+e, ouu ousuuci oee pu-
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uouuiuimu u nepepeuu nc pn npousnopc+nu pesuuonix opo. Pesu-
uonie opu iu oee uyui, uo ouu, ouenuo e, npousnopuu u pu-
puuu, ue+?
A n nupe uunuo noui, nupe eio, y meun muoio nocnomuuuuu, mue
io ue +u muoio e+, nceio ne+ipuupu+i mpu nouumuu, n+o c Mmu-
xeuom ouu niuipuu em iop, iop u uecoio mecnen po noui. Tuum o-
pusom, nc s+o io cnnsuuo: pusuc, nouu, nc n+o Siu +uun u+mocqe-
pu, ue suum, ouu iu oneui uunpnuuo, oipu mpu c+upme meun nepe-
unuu pec+nu+eiuo yucuie muuy+i.
@10(23 14(2234A36*
HnnL ena: Koipu nonnuuci uemi, n+opimuecn no upuuum nepes
Seiium, n i n [onue, no+omy n+o s+o io +em mec+om, ipe mou popu+e-
u nceipu nponopuu e+uue uuuyi. Ouu ye nepuyuci [n Hupu] u oc-
+unuu uuc, n+o io uenosmouo npepc+unu+i, +u u y uuc iu +uun
mu+i, o+opun uuoipu uuc ue oc+unnu Mi ousuuci uu copepuuuu,
uuc ponepuu nouo eumuue, o+opun uu uu neucum. H +u n npo-
ynucn iop n [onue n o+ee, o+opi i nepepeuu n ue, u uemi
iu concem uso. Hoiopu, n nc ny+um s+o io no npemn c+puuuo
noui [1939-40], oipu n ynucn n s+om uee. Tu n+o [onui nceipu
i
Koipu n ionopu puuee o onununuemix o+nycux, n oneui ncuo ncno-
muuum npuesp nepnix onununuemix o+pixummux uu nnu [onun. 0+o
io i uu+epecuo pn uuopeuccpu, s+o i i mepenp, no+omy n+o,
oipu +i nupumi s+ux mpe, o+opie nnepnie ynupeu mope, s+o npoc+o
nopusu+eiuo. B nomum, u sume+u neoneu, o+opi ynupe eio nnep-
nie, u pue noce s+o io neuoenuo. 0+o iu moopun penymu us
nponuuuu umyseu, ouu npuexuu c uumu u ynupeu mope n nepni pus. H
npunpu, n+o ecu ec+i n+o-+o, n+o +pypuo npepc+unu+i, ecu +i s+oio uuoipu
ue nupe s+o mope. Mouo cusu+i, n+o s+o uen+o uenoopusumoe, uen+o
ecouenuoe, uo conu uuneio ue suunu+. Koipu neone nupu+ mope H s+u
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mueuiun penonu oc+uuci c+on+i +um ne+ipe uu nn+i nucon, cmo+pn uu
mope, ue meoxuynmuci, u yp+o iu c popeuun cuoymuo, es yc+uu
npoc+o cmo+pn uu +uym nosnimeuuym, uenoopusumym up+uuy.
Tu no+, s+o i nn, nuc+ui nn n [onue, o+opi i o+pi+
poioe npemn pn ypyu, s+o iu ux coc+neuuoc+i. Cmpu npuesuu on-
uneuuie o+pixummue u mpu, o+opie, es comueuun, uuoipu ue nupeu
mopn. 0+o io ipuupuosuo! Ecu inue+ ucconun ueuunuc+i, +o ncn ouu n
s+ux conux yni, mon mu+i, o+opun iu, +em ue meuee, ynme eumu-
uo, cusuu: Henosmouo nocemu+i nnu, ipe mouo ynupe+i "+uux"
mpe. Tu n+o s+o iooneui c+oe sunneuue B pymum, n+o ypyu
+u u ue suiuMu 68-io no cpunueuum c s+um i nyc+nom
Knep Hupne: Puccuu uemuoio o +ex ux onuceuunx, o o+opix +i io-
nopu puuee.
HnnL ena: O ux onuceuunx? Hy, s+o+ npoecc ueisn io oc+uuo-
nu+i. Koipu ouu onununuu o+nyc puonum, ucnesuu npunueiuu yp-
yu A mec+u u speci +ue iu npoemu +eppu+opuu. Ecu cyuuu
moiu npu+u uu nn n [onue, s+o io, ue suum, u ecu i mi nppyi
nepuyuci spe puuosunpon uu, ue suum, s+o io uucuuem, xye, nem
uemi, xye, nem nonneuue uemeux +uuon uu nne. 0+o io ueonu-
cyemo.
Knep Hupne: mpu us ppyiux mupon!
HnnL ena: H pome +oio, s+o noppouoc+u, uo +o, n+o npoucxopuo
uu sunopux, n umem n nupy puo+opu+ee, ouu uuoipu s+oio ue suinuu,
nouium, y uux +u u ue nipuo+ucn uuc+uu+unui c+pux He xo+eoci
i ionopu+i, n+o mu 1968 iopu uu nemy ue npun, 68 iop i nueu uu
cumom pee ouu ue moiu sui+i coi+un 68-io iopu.
Bo+ +u n npon npemn n [onue, es popu+ee, uo co cnoum pu+om
oipu +ypu n+opiuci uemi. H pu, umeuuo +um n nepec+u i+i upuo+om.
[oeu cusu+i, n+o n i moopim neoneom c nocpepc+neuuimu suu-
uunmu, es ocoix uu+epecon n uo-uo ouc+u, pymum, n+o oeuo-
uuponuuue mupo io moum cumim neuum pec+nuem. B ucce n i u-
com+uim uym. H no+ n+o-+o npousomo, u s+o npousomo co muoiumu
mpimu; nouium, n+o npoypunmuxcn mpe nceipu +o-+o npoypu.
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A n s+om o+ee, nepepeuuuom n ue, i moopo nupeui, o+opi
usucn mue puue ueoinuim, no+omy n+o ionopu oneui xopomo, u s+o
meun nouoc+im npoypuo. Mue noneso, n+o n nc+pe+u s+oio nupun
Hose ou c+u ponoiuo suumeuu+im, no-nepnix, no+omy n+o y ueio i
suumeuu+i o+e, u no-n+opix, ou i oneui u+unuim npepc+unu+eem e-
noio pnueuun, uo s+o io iopuspo nose. Eio snuu Ainuc [Xui-
nuc], Hiep Ainuc, ciu couooiu [Mopucu Ainucu, Maurice
Halbwachs].
B +o npemn ou i moop, u y ueio iu c+puuuun nuemuoc+i: ou i
oneui xypim, oneui nicoum, uu npoc+o nicoum, n s+o +u nomum u y
ueio i +oio opuu ius, +o ec+i, opuu o+pi+i ius u em opuu ueec+e-
c+neuuo supi+i, u umeuuo +u ou nousinucn uum npope Huonu, c
nimmumucn noocumu, u y osonu ue+, copee, u y upuuu. Koipu no-
xoopuo, seui o++euo eio ou c+u quoe+onim. Y ueio io oneui
xpynoe spoponie, u eio ocnoopuu o+ noeuuo cyi. Y ueio iu c+e-
neui uuunpu, u eio yc+pouu +ypu n unec+ne sumeunmmeio npoqeccopu
uu npemn noui. A pn meun s+o io cnoeio popu o+poneuuem. Ou i no-
ou su+ysuusmu, pue ue nomum, n uom ucce n i +oipu, ue suum, n 8-
om uu n 9-om; ou +oipu nepepu uum, nepepu mue uen+o, cuem +u, nepe-
nounmmee. B o+pinu pn cen pusuoe Ou ionopu c uumu o Sopepe,
nu+u uum, u nu+u oneui xopomo. H mi, ouenuo, cusuuci, no+omy n+o
ou oneui ncuo nupe, n+o npousn uu meun cuiuoe nnenu+euue.
B nomum, u sumo ou pu meun uu npoiyu no nnum [onun, u n
m su uum. B ocosuunu, n+o nnnmci umeuuo eio yneuuom, u n+o n uum
ynu+en. H no+ mi ceu +um, uu pmuux, uu ne+py, pnpom c mopem s+o io
spopono! u ou nu+u mue, nomum, u ou nu+u mue Bc+nu semuie [Aup-
pe upu]. Ou nipuunu conu sumo uu nnux uuoio ue io ou
nipuunu conu us Bc+n semuix. B cupe pnpom c uum u uemuoio ec-
nooucn, n+o ecu +o-uuypi npup+, onenupuo, cue+: 0+o ponoiuo
c+puuuo! Hno+ ou nu+u u ponoiuo pusuoopusuo.
Ou o+pi mue Auu+on upuucu, Sopepu, upu s+o iu umeuu, o-
+opie ou oneui mu, u n npeopusucn, c+u conepmeuuo ppyium. [o +u-
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o c+eneuu, n+o ncope noce s+oio mpu uunuu ionopu+i o s+om nupue u
eio c+puuuo nuemuoc+u, o eio oipomuom iuse u nc +uoe, u o nupuume,
o+opi ceponu su uum noncmpy, c o+opim ou xopu uu nn.
Bupeuu nuucuouu uunuu nouonu+icn, ouu suc+unuu meun noiono-
pu+i c ue o s+om u cusuu, n+o o+nenue+ su meun, nou o+cy+c+nym+ mou
popu+eu, ouu npepynpepuu meun o ueo+opix nupux cnnsu B ue moi uu-
neio noun+i, noome uuneio Ecu oipu-uo u iu nuc+ie, uepnycmic-
euuie, ynuu+eiuie o+uomeuun, +o s+o i +o+ cumi cynu. H +oio
no+om n noun, n+o mpu npepnouiuu, n+o Hiep Ainuc i onucuim
nepepuc+om.
A +oipu n emy cusu: B pucc+poeu, mon xosnu cusuu mue, n+o n
opumucn uemy oquuuiuo, u ou o mue no-ppyecu n+o mi ue
poui nc+penu+icn, n+o s+o ueuopmuiuo, uenpunuiuo. A ou cusu: He
ecnoocn o s+om. Huuun eumuuu, nouun pumonu mue ue nomexu. B
coupumci c ue oncuu+icn, n nopy ue, u ouu nom+, n+o iu uenpu-
nu.
H nc e n i npun n i poc+u+onuo cmimuim, ou cpeu meun
poc+u+onuo ymuim pn +oio, n+oi comuenu+icn. Meun s+o concem ue ycno-
ouo, no+omy n+o n moi npepnupe+i, n+o nouun xosnu +onuo ue H
pec+nu+eiuo, s+o iu u+uc+poqu: ou npum nouo xosne, u +u
cpusy uunucuu moum popu+enm, n+o ouu cponuo poui nsn+i meun cee,
n+o ou i necimu nopospu+eiuo unuoc+im Bo+ +u ou no+epne ue-
ypuny.
Ho mi iu +um, u uemi uuc+ynuu; s+o io npemn c+puuuo no-
ui uuc+ynuu uemi. Soime ue uupo nonpocon o Hiepe Mo pu+ u n
o+npunuuci uu neocunepux nc+pe+u+i popu+ee, o+opix npum+uu n
Pomqope, +o ec+i sunop nepemec+uu n Pomqop, n+oi cnuc+u eio o+ uem-
en Bo+ mi u noexuu +ypu uu neocunepux, u n nc em nomum ycimuu-
uoe nic+yneuue He+euu, eio suumeuu+ym u c+pumuym peni n uo-+o pe-
peneuco ioc+uuue. A mi iu +um uu uumux neocunepux! H oio e mi
ynupeu uu nepepc+e? Tum c+onu mumuuu, u yp+o uupuconuuuun, u n
ue cupe Ainuc, moopo Ainuc u ynu+ei sc+e+uu, o+opoio snuu
MeepOuu npoesuu mumo u-Pomeu s+o iu cypiu
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B puccusinum s+o, +oio n+oi cusu+i Hepes uecoio e+ n
nc+pe+u u ysuu eio, n suu eio oneui xopomo u ye um +u ue noc+opiucn,
s+o +u, uo n, no puue mepe, oe-nemy uuynucn. B noun, n+o oipu mue
io ne+ipuupu+i, u n um nocxumucn, +o i conepmeuuo npun.
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Knep Hupne: H+u, no+om +i c +pypuoc+nmu nepuycn n Hupu, n u-
e Kupuo, c+puuuun nouu u uuuyi ye suounuuci, u n uee Kup-
uo +i ynucn n ucce quocoquu. Houium, n +o npemn n uee Kupuo npo-
qeccopom i Mepo-Hou+u. C+puuuo, n+o +i ynucn quocoquu ue y Mep-
o-Hou+u, +ee npenopunu ppyio npoqeccop no quocoquu, o+opoio snu-
u mecie Buui [Vialle]. Kue+cn, +i ynomuuu eio umn
HnnL ena: [u, mecie [Hiep] Buui, y meun oc+uuci o um oneui uu-
+epecuie nocnomuuuuun. Ho meun sunucuu +ypu conepmeuuo cynuuo n
moi i cpeu+i +u, n+oi meun nepeneu n ucc Mepo-Hou+u, uo n s+oio
ue cpeu u ye ue nomum nonemy.
Buui iKouenuo, Ainuc mue nomoi ysuu+i oe-n+o o u+epu+ype,
uo em co npemu nepnix ypoon no quocoquu n suu, nem sumyci B su-
nomuu qpuimeu+i coi+u Hunpumep, n npepucuo nomum, n+o umeuuo
uu ypoux quocoquu mi ysuuu o pesue, yc+poeuuo uemumu n noce
Opupyp[-cmp-uu] 0+o cynuoci n Opupyp. B poeu npusuu+i, n+o
ynucn n uecoio nou+usuponuuuom ucce, ipe cuiuee peuiuponuu uu
nonpoci o uuuc+ux u +u puee. B ynucn n ucce u Moe [iepon Conpo-
+uneuun], u n ucce iu c+puuuun u+mocqepu B mom cynue, s+o su-
nneuue o Opupyp pec+nu+eiuo oneui nnenu+uo uuc, cemuupu+ue+-
uux muinuon uu, ue suum, coio e+ inue+ +em, o+opie sunepmum+
c+eneui uuunpu, cemuupu+i-nocemuupu+i
Knep Hupne: Oinuo nocemuupu+i
HnnL ena: [u, n s+o xopomo nomum. H+u, Buui, ou i npoqec-
copom ionopu oneui +uxo, ou i c+upim u mue ou oneui upunucn. A
Mepo-Hou+u B nomum +oio eio meuuxounuoc+i. B Kupuo io
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oimoe spuuue uen c umc+pupo no ncemy nepnomy s+uy. H no+om
s+o+ oneui meuuxounui nsinp Mepo-Hou+u: ou uumpu su ncemu
pe+imu, o+opie +um uipuu u punuu 0+o iu oipomuun +ocu, u yp-
+o ou xo+e cusu+i: ocnopu, n+o n speci peum?
B +o npemn u Buui, o+opoio n +u mu, sunepmu cnom upiepy,
+oipu n c uum oneui cusucn, oneui. Tu u mi uu ue oneui pueo
ppyi o+ ppyiu, mi oinuo xopuu nmec+e n ue u nosnpumuuci pomo, uo
mi uuoipu ue yc+unuu o+ uumux ecep, o+ Toipu n noun, n+o sumyci
quocoque uu e ue ypy peu+i noome uuneio.
Knep Hupne: C cumoio nepnoio ypcu?
HnnL ena: [u, pu. Ku yp+o, ecu Koipu n ysuu o ssuc+euuu,
o +om, n+o ec+i ueo+opie c+puuuoc+u, uusinuemie ouen+umu, uu meun
s+o npousneo +uo sqqe+, uo uu ppyiux npousnopu+ nc+penu c iepon-
mu neuoenuoio pomuuu. Soe, u e n xo+e ysuu+i o
Knep Hupne: uunpumep, ipuqe Mou+e-Kpuc+o?
HnnL ena: o upmce uu, ue suum, o uom-uuypi suumeuu-
+om nepcouue, o Bo+peue, o om-uo em, o Enieuuu puupe. Koipu n ysuu
nc s+o He suum, pue +o, n+o Hu+ou uusinue+ Hpee, nousuoci mue
+uum npum, unim, uB suu s+o io moum.
Knep Hupne: H+i cpusy e npeycne, +i i ynmum?
HnnL ena: Ax, pu. C +ex nop y meun oime ue io +pypuoc+e n
moe. C npuxopom Ainucu n c+u xopomo ynu+icn, npeycnenu+i n u+e-
pu+ype, pue n u+iuu. [u, n xopomo ynucn. Si npueuim yneuuom, u
no quocoquu n i o+unuuom.
Knep Hupne: B xo+eu i uemuoio noionopu+i o npomom A pusne
ucci ue iu n +o npemn uecoio nou+usuponuui? Ti ionopu, n+o n
ucce n+o-+o npoucxopuo, no+omy n+o y nuc ynucn u Moe.
HnnL ena: Hou+usuponuui? Hy, no npemn noui s+o io uenos-
mouo. Mi ue iu nou+usuponuui. Siu +e, +o n cemuupu+i-
nocemuupu+i e+ ye ynuc+nonu n Conpo+uneuuu, uo yconun iu ue +e.
Ynuc+uuu Conpo+uneuun ue ionopuu o s+om pusne n+o pe+uui. Ho-
s+omy peo io ue n nou+usuponuuuoc+u. Heo+opim io nc punuo,
iu u c+opouuuu peumu Bumu
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Knep Hupne: Aciou upuuces [yi+punpunun nou+unecun ipynnu]?
HnnL ena: Aciou upuuces? [u ue+, nc io uumuoio xye. Ouu
iu c+opouuuumu Bumu Mouo cusu+i He+, s+o ueisn cpunuu+i c
nou+usuponuuuoc+im mupuoio npemeuu, no+omy n+o Conpo+uneuue io
u+unuim semeu+om, iu moopie ynuc+uuu Conpo+uneuun, u moo-
pi, cnnsuuuun c neuumu Conpo+uneuun. 0+o ue cnnsuuo c nou+usupo-
nuuuoc+im, nc io uumuoio oee cpi+uim
Knep Hupne: 3uunu+, uunpumep, n +nom ucce iu +e, +o ye cum-
nu+usuponu Conpo+uneuum u ionopu o s+om?
HnnL ena: Hy pu, u n ye ionopu, u Moe, o+opi noiu py-
mum, iop cnyc+n eio yuu uuuc+i
Knep Hupne: H+i ionopu o s+om?
HnnL ena: 0+o onenupuo. Ku n ye ionopu +ee, uonoc+u pucnpo-
c+puunuci miuoneuuo, nouium, nuui iu nce coomeuun o mec+ene
Opupyp, +uuie coomeuun, o+opie nepepunuuci us yc+ n yc+u (T.S.F.)
Honoc+u ysuunuuci n +o+ e peui. Bce nupucue ueu ysuunuu o s+om.
[n meun s+o io opuum us cumix smououuiuix coi+u non+u cpusy
e noynu+i nec+u o Opupyp.
Knep Hupne: 3unepmun +emy [e+c+no, ecu s+y +emy noome mouo
ucnepnu+i Bupuo, n+o pn +en +no pe+c+no ue umee+ oimoio suuneuun.
To ec+i, +i ue ionopumi o um u ue cnu+uemi eio o+npunuo +ono.
HnnL ena: [u
Knep Hupne: [n +en pe+c+no u i ue nnne+cn +uum suunumim.
HnnL ena: [u pu pu Hy, s+o nuuo +oio n cnnsu c +em, o nm
mi ionopuu puuee. B pec+nu+eiuo cnu+um, n+o nucu+eicun pen+ei-
uoc+i uuu ue cnnsuuu c unuim peom. Ho s+o ue suunu+, n+o nucu+ei ue
nupinue+ n ue ncm cnom pymy. u+epu+ypu u nucimo +ecuo cnnsuui c
usuim. Ho usui s+o uen+o imee, nem unuoe. B u+epu+ype nc cnn-
suuo c usuim neoneu, u unuun usui nucu+en, coueuum, cumu no
cee. Hesunucumu uu o+ neio, nc oc+uiuoe memue+ nupe+i 3uc+unne+
nepuy+icn npomomy, cnoum mueuium nuc+uim peum.
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Mo pe+c+no uuoipu ue io +uum. H ouo meun ue yucue+. Ho, c+poio
ionopn, pn meun umee+ suuneuue +o, u neone meune+cn eio nepexop o+
uno+uoio neonenecomy u eio c+uuoneuue n pe+c+ne. B cnu+um, n+o
nucimo nceipu osuunue+ c+uuoneuue, uo +oio npu yconuu, n+o neone
nume+ ue npoc+o pn +oio, n+oi nucu+i. B cnu+um, n+o neone nume+ no-
+omy, n+o uen+o n usuu nune+ uu ueio, n+o i s+o uu io Ec+i nemu,
o+opie neone nume+, n+oi u+i, no+ u nc, u +uum opusom ou c+uuo-
nu+cn em-+o. Hucimo s+o c+uuoneuue, c+uuoneuue nceio, n+o uyuo, uo
+oio ue cumomy nucu+em, u ou peue+ nc, n+o xone+cn, pome cospuuun
upxunu.
Ku i n ue ynuu upxunuie sunucu +o, n+o mi peuem, ye npe-
pucuo. Mi cospum upxun, uo ue 0+o uu+epecuo n cnnsu c nem-uo em
Ecu ec+i ocuonuuun pn cospuuun upxunu, +o +oio no+omy, n+o ou umee+
o+uomeuue em nemy-+o, u c nomomim upxunu neone, nosmouo, nom+
uemuoio oime. Ho cumu +uun upen, u, uunpumep, upen noionopu+i o mo-
m pe+c+ne, ue+cn mue Ouu ue +oio ecnoesuu, uo u up+ npuspes c
upee u+epu+ypi.
Ecu nosnoumi, n nu+u o s+om +icnny pus, o s+om ionopuu nce, nce
neuue nucu+eu. Mue nonuuci uuiu, ipe uunucuuo, uy, ue suum, y u-
poio ec+i ynymeuun. Tu nucu neuu pyccu nos+ Muupeim+um, o+o-
poio n nu+u nnepu, u ye ionopu
Knep Hupne: C oneui pucunim umeuem, moemi eio nponec+i?
HnnL ena: Ocun pu, Ocun B s+o qpuse ou ionopu+ ionopu+
+um +uue snunueu+i, +uue npepoeuun npoc+o meun nopuum+. Bo+
n+o s+o +uoe, poi npenopunu+en n s+om omu+icn c +ec+om, nopopu+i
+ec+ pn noppoc+on. 0+o +o, n+o cpeu pn meun Ainuc. H+u, ou cu-
su: Ec+i uen+o, neio n ue concem nouumum, u ue suum +onuo, n+o s+o. Ou
ionopu+: Huoipu n ue moi noun+i Toc+ix [u Acuonix, Suiponix-
nuyon] [ue Toc+o, u? nmuuix n cemec+neuuie upxuni, c snu-
necumu pomumuumu nocnomuuuuinmu. [Henouun u+u+u us ymu npe-
meuu] H +y+ ou ionopu+ ye cepisuo: Hon+opnm numn+i mon ue mon-
uu, u npupeuu, u puo+ue+ ouu ue uup nocnpousnepeuuem, u uup o+c+pu-
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ueuiem npomoio. Pusuonuuy ue uyuu numn+i u u pn meun!
ue uyuu numn+i, emy poc+u+onuo puccusu+i o uuiux, o+opie ou npo-
n, u uoipuqun io+onu. u n cynue co muo u Ainucom. Tum, ipe
y cnuc+unix nooeuu ionopu+ snoc iesume+pumu u xpouuo, +um y me-
un, c+ou+ suu sunuin, u mepy muo u neom nponu, pon, uunoueuui
mymnmum npemeuem, [o+nepeuuoe pn cemiu u pomumueio upxunu]. H+o xo-
+eu cusu+i cemin? B ue suum. Ouu iu ocuonsinuu o+ popeuin, u
mepy +em y ue io n+o cusu+i. Hupo muo u uup muoiumu conpemeuuu-
umu +nio+ee+ ocuonsinie popeuin. Mi ynuuci ue ionopu+i, u ene+u+i
u umi npucymununci uupuc+ummemy mymy neu u nieeuuie neuo
eio ipeun, mi opeu nsi.
Tenepi n ue suum, n+o s+o pn meun suunu+ uu cumom pee [u, n+o suu-
nu+, n+o nucimo cnupe+eic+nye+ o usuu, uunucuuo pn usuu, +u e, u
u pn ymupummux uno+uix, o o+opix mi ionopuu puuee. 0+o suuuuue
n nsie. Cospuuue u+epu+ypi, ocuonuuuo uu pe+c+ne, s+o nepi +u +unun-
uo nucu+i, ocuoninunci uu cnoe uesuunu+eiuo unuo usuu, u s+o
conepmeuuo o+npu+u+eiuo s+u usupuun u+epu+ypu, s+o n+uno, s+u ec+-
ceepi, s+o uuc+onmee pepimo. Hopioun+i nsi suuuuum ueeio, u
uepoc+u+onuo suuu+icn, e e e, no+ +u Ecu +i ue poc+ui s+o +onu,
+oipu upuo Bosmouo n u+epu+ype, +u e, u npu nopnepeuuu nsiu
npepey, npoucxopu+ npenpumeuue n uno+uoe cumoio nsiu u nucu+en,
inue+ em npenpumeuue n peuu, uo ue nosnpumeuue n pe+c+no. [u, ou
c+uuonu+cn-peuom, uo s+o ye ue eio uu ni-uo pe+c+no, s+o pe+c+no
mupu, muponoe pe+c+no.
Tu n+o un+opi, o+opie suuu+epeconuui n cnom pe+c+ne, moiy+ up+u
np+y u npopou+i xypo-epuo cospunu+i u+epu+ypy, o+opym ouu sucy-
unum+. Ecu u i +o-+o, omy ue io uu+epecuo eio pe+c+no, s+o i
Hpyc+, uunpumep
Xopomo, suunu+, supunu nucu+en ue onu+icn n cemeuix upxunux u ue
suuu+epeconinu+i oio-+o cnoum pe+c+nom, s+o uuomy ueuu+epecuo Hu-
+o ue poc+oeu neio-uo, ecu ou suuu+epeconuu n cnom pe+c+ne. Humu
ei c+u+i peuom nocpepc+nom nucimu, poc+uni pe+c+nu mupu, nocc+u-
uonu+i pe+c+no mupu. Bo+ s+o supunu u+epu+ypi.
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Knep Hupne: C+u+i uumeuucum peuom?
HnnL ena: Hume, n nuce ppyiux, noun s+o H Muupeim+um
+oe. Bce nucu+eu suum+ s+o 0+o c+uuoneuue, ue moiy nopopu+i oee
+onuoio onpepeeuun. Hucimo c+uuoneuue, uo ue c+uuoneuue nucu+eem
uu coc+neuuim memyupuc+om. H s+o ue us-su +oio, n+o y meun iu uc+o-
pun mnu, n coupumci uunucu+i pomuu pymu+i +uum opusom nopo. He
npoc+o nocpepc+neuuo, u nopo.
Knep Hupne: Hy, ucmneuuem us npunuu nnne+cn +o, n+o Hu+uu
Cuppo+, o+opun nnne+cn neuum nucu+eem, uunucuu uuiy nop uusnu-
uuem [e+c+no. 0+o +uun cuoc+i?
HnnL ena: He+, concem ue+! B coiuceu c +oo, Hu+uu Cuppo+
npesninuuo nuuun nucu+eiuuu. [e+c+no s+o uuiu concem ue o e
pe+c+ne, ouu, u npunuo, cnupe+eic+nye+
Knep Hupne: B uipum poi upnou+u pinnou
HnnL ena: B npepucuo nouumum, n+o +i uipuemi poi upnou+u
pinnou, uo s+o oneui onucuun poi, nouumuemi?..
Ouu npupyminue+ peuu mupu. H+o uu cumom pee uu+epecye+ Cuppo+
n e pe+c+ne? 0+o onpepeuuoe nuco c+epeo+unuix qopmy, o+opie pum+
ypunu+eiui sqqe+. 0+o moe+ i+i noxoe uu +o, n+o ouu ye peuu c
npepcmep+uimu conumuconumuoio?
Knep Hupne: Hexonu. Ich sterbe
HnnL ena: Hexonu Ouu xone+ noun+i noun+i u mueuiun
penonu, o+opun cimu+, u +o-+o cnpumunue+ e: Ku +i?, n+o suunu+
s+o Ku +i? Ku peu?, u nos+omy ouu xone+ noun+i s+o+ mup nsiu, puc-
npoc+puuu+i s+o+ nsi uu cen. Hos+omy niinpu+ +u, yp+o ouu suuu+epe-
conuuu n cnom pe+c+ne
Knep Hupne: Hy, s+o nc sumenu+eiuo, uo nc e
HnnL ena: Kop Cuppo+ [poni Hu+uu] iu i suuu+epeconuuu
cnoum pe+c+nom
Knep Hupne: Koo!
HnnL ena: uo +oio ue Hu+uu Cuppo+!
Knep Hupne: [u, pu Koo! Ao, Koo
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0+o nc xopomo, uo n +o e npemn B nepnym onepepi, umeuuo ynu n
pe+c+ne nop+ouyu +en u+epu+ype. To ec+i, +i ymunemi nuuoc+i cno-
eio pe+c+nu, o+nepiuemi eio, u npuiu uu u n+o-+o npupeuoe, uo nepi
uunuoci nc c pe+c+nu? A c ppyio c+opoui, +em ue meuee, pe+c+no nosnpu-
mue+cn ncnimumu nocnomuuuuu, u pue ecu s+o uenpun+uie nocnomu-
uuuun, pe+c+no nc punuo nosnpumue+cn. 3uunu+, +u u ueoxopumi non+u
eepuenuie +peuuponu uu pucunuuupuie me+opi?
HnnL ena: [ymum, s+o npoucxopu+ cumo coo, no+omy n+o pe+c+-
no, pe+c+no, pe+c+no 3uuemi, speci, u u no ncm, uyuo yme+i pusunu+i
noxoe pe+c+no o+ xopomeio. B pymum H+o ec+i +uoio uu+epecuoio [n pe+-
c+ne]? Hy, pome o+uomeuu c o+om u mu+epim u pome pe+cux nocnomu-
uuuu, cnnsuuuix c o+om u mu+epim, ouo ue ue+cn mue ocoeuuo uu+e-
pecuim. Cumo no cee, ouo ue+cn oneui uu+epecuim u ponoiuo pusuoo-
pusuim, uo uepoc+u+onuo uu+epecuim, n+oi o um nucu+i. Ho ec+i ppyiue
c+opoui pe+c+nu
B ionopu o s+om puuee, npo omupi, o+opun ymupue+ uu yue, po
nonneuun un+omoue Tuum cnocoom mouo nuoni ucni+u+i pe+cue
smouu Hu cumom pee, s+o peuo Ty+ uyuo o+me+u+i, n+o: To pu+n,
em n opuupi i, uun+o, uo n ue +oio +o pu+n, o+opim i: n i
peuom n mupe ppyiux pe+e, n i peuom, u u mo ppyio. H s+o
nceipu iunuoe n+o i +o uu io, i+i opuum us uux. B nupe uu+epec-
uoe, uo s+o ue ouu uu meun nunu, n i peuom n npuuune [u, B
ynupe, u ymupue+ omupi uu yue po +oio, u nonnuuci un+omouu
ue pn meun, uo pn +ex, +o nupe s+o. Hy pu, oneui xopomo, oneui, npoc+o
upeuiuo Tu c+uuonn+cn nucu+enmu, nepon+uo, umeuuo s+o+ qu+op o+-
pi iusu [oc+oencomy y ueio ec+i opuu sumenu+eiui snusop, nou-
ium, n Hpec+yneuuu u uuusuuuu, ipe omupi ymupue+ uu yue +uu-
op Huuucu nupe s+o, nupe s+o u Hume. Ou, nouium, i ye
c+up, oipu Hume ynupe n Typuue, u ymupue+ omupiHy, no+
Knep Hupne: 3uunu+, +i nupe pemouc+puuu Hupopuoio upou+u?
HnnL ena: [u, n nupe pemouc+puuu Hupopuoio upou+u, s+o +u. B
nupe, u mo o+e puspinucn mepy nec+uoc+im u uu+ucemu+usmom [u,
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+onuo B i peuom B nceipu uonucn n +om cmice, n+o mpu ue
nouumum+ nuuoc+u ueonpepeuuoio up+un Sim+ peuu, im+ o-
mupi uy+om u +u puee 0+o ue suunu+, ue osuunue+: meun, meun B ueon-
pepeuuom up+ue ec+i oipomuoe pusuoopusue.
Knep Hupne: 0+o muoec+no, u mi uemy em nepumcn.
HnnL ena: 0+o muoec+no, pupu.
F uuu n Fidelite (Bepnoc1L)
Knep Hupne: XopomoMi nepexopum F.
HnnL ena: [unu nepepm F, pu
Knep Hupne: B nipuu cono Bepuoc+i (Fidelite), n+oi noiono-
pu+i o ppye, nepi +i +pupu+i e+ ppyu c uuom-Hiepom Sumepe, u
upi peui ni cosnuuunuuci uu nc+penuuci, u nupu B mom cy-
nue, +i nepui, npepuuui ppyi ueucu nu++upu, epomu uupouu Mo-
iy uusnu+i u ppyiux: 0u [Cumup], uu-Hoi Muuuuiupo, Hiep enuie
+nou ppysin oneui nuui pn +en. upuucyu u+e u Mumei uyo iu
+noumu ppysinmu, u +i n+u ux u i um nepeu.
Hos+omy n xony cnpocu+i +en, nepuoe u y meun couoci nnenu+e-
uue, n+o ppyu pn +en no ueoxopumoc+u cnnsuuu c nepuoc+im uu uu-
oopo+?
HnnL ena: Bepuoc+i +y+ uu npu nm [u, s+o no+omy n+o mi nepe-
mu yne F
Knep Hupne: [u, mi nepi ye suunu u+epy A [u n Amitie, ppy-
u], +u n+o s+o uecoio yconuo
HnnL ena: uo +y+ ec+i n+o-+o ppyioe, o+unuoe o+ nepuoc+u, ppy-
u s+o Si+i nium-+o ppyiom nonpoc nocnpun+un. 0+o osuunue+ 0+o ue
suunu+, n+o +o-+o nopeucn cnoumu upenmu, uo n+o e s+o suunu+ ume+i
n+o-+o omee c em-+o? B cenuc ionopm uuuiuoc+u Bi nouumue+e ppyi
ppyiu uuc+oio, n+o ue+ ueoxopumoc+u oncun+icn. 0+o ue pusionop, oc-
uonuuui uu omux upenx, u uuunue omeio nsiu uu pue omeio npep-
nsiu.
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Koipu ueo+opie mpu ionopn+, n ue moiy noun+i uu conu, pue ecu
ouu ionopn+ n+o-+o uecouoe. [ue ecu ionopn+: Hepepu+e mue coi, n
nc punuo niuypeu cnpumunu+i cen: O nm ouu ionopn+? H uuoopo+,
ec+i mpu, o+opie moiy+ ionopu+i mue o nm-+o puue uc+pu+uom, u pu-
e ecu n ue coiuceu c uumu, nc punuo, n nouumum nc nouumum nc, n+o
ouu ionopn+ [u, s+o suunu+, n+o mue ec+i, n+o cusu+i um u um ec+i, n+o
cusu+i mue.
H cmic nonce ue n omuoc+u upe, o+opie 3peci ec+i +uuu, +o ue-
noun+uoe ocuonuuue, uu o+opom
B,6=7234A3638 010(23
Knep Hupne: Tu nin e onepepi? Bce em +non
HnnL ena: Heyeu?..
[u, s+o +u, speci ec+i oipomuun suiupu, +o+ qu+, n+o +ee ec+i n+o cu-
su+i omy-+o, s+u conmec+umoc+i, ue +peymmun omux upe, es nosmouo-
c+u npunucu+i s+o
[ymum, n+o upi us uuc coueu onupeuum onpepeuuim +unom
u uu+o us uuc ue moe+ onupe+i ncemu +unumu cpusy onpepeuuim
+unom ounuun, eio nocnpun+uem. Ho n+o e n uusinum ounuuem? [eo
ue n +om, n+o n ni+umci cnec+u ppyy po iomocecyuiuoc+u, nonce ue+, n
ionopm o ueoem ec+e, o nie-+o micu, cymec+nymme em po +oio, u
ope++ suuneuue. He-+o ec+ Hin-+o cpepuuuoc+i. 0+u opusi ounuun
npouusinum+ cumy usui, yopeunm+cn n e nu+uiuo ocuone, uiopupn
um mi c+uuonumcn ppysinmu.
Ecu mi puccmo+pum niu-uo nicusinuuun Cymec+nym+ nicusi-
nuuun, o+opie npousuocn+cn +oio nomnumu uu mepsunumu, s+u ni-
cusinuuun Hum uyuo nopopu+i npumepi, uo y uuc ue+ npemeuu, opuu-
o, mouo uu+u muoec+no npumepon. Kupi us uuc sumenue+ +uue ni-
cusinuuun, ycimun o+opie, mi ionopum: Soe mo, n+o n cimy? H+o
s+o su ppnui? He c+ou+ pymu+i, n+o mouo ionopu+i +uue nemu npoc+o +u,
u no+om suupu+i ux uusup. Ec+i nicusinuuun, o+opie ue moiy+ H uu-
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oopo+, ecu ionopu+i o ounuuu, cymec+nym+ uesuunu+eiuie nicusi-
nuuun, o+opie uupeeui +uum ounuuem, niusinum+ +uym +ouoc+i,
n+o +i cpusy e ionopumi: 0+o mo neone! ue n cmice coc+neuuune-
c+nu, u no+omy n+o s+o neone moeio +unu, u n uupemci, n+o n cum +uo e.
Hmeuuo speci popue+cn ppyu, speci ouu moe+ nosuuuy+i. 0+o,
esyconuo, npoemu, cnnsuuuun c nocnpun+uem nocnpun+uem +oio, n+o
+ee nopxopu+ uu nemy-+o +en ynu+, +oio, n+o o+pinue+ +en u o+pinue+
n+o-+o +ee.
Knep Hupne: Hpoucxopu+ pucmuqponu suuon.
HnnL ena: [u, npunuiuo, conepmeuuo nepuo. Ti xopomo s+o onu-
cuu. B s+om-+o u peo, n s+om-+o u peo: +o-+o usynue+ suuu, u mi uo
npuuumuem ux, uo ue npuuumuem. mun ppyu c+pou+cn uu s+om ocuo-
nuuuu. C+u+i nync+nu+eiuim suuum, o+opie +o-+o usynue+, n pymum,
s+o nc oncune+ Hos+omy mouo nponopu+i nuci c em-+o, ue ionopn uu
conu, uu, n+o npepnon+u+eiue, npousuocn uuneio ue suunumue qpusi,
pusionupunun o o+nenuuom 0+o omunuo, ppyu omunecoe ucyc-
c+no.
Knep Hupne: Tonuo, ni oneui noxou uu omunecue nupi, npope Sy-
nupu u Hemme [uoepu], uu iepoen See+u Mepcie u Kumie
HnnL ena: Hy, suuemi u, n u cum pymum, n+o mi c uuom-Hiepom
epuun onun Mepcie u Kumie, pu, pu, s+o +onuo uu-Hiep B nc npe-
mn yc+um, y meun xpynoe spoponie, u uu-Hiep unoxouppu, u uumu pus-
ionopi pec+nu+eiuo noxou uu pusionopi Mepcie u Kumie
Opuu ionopu+ ppyiomy: Ku peu?
A ppyio o+nenue+: B usmopu, uo em ue oounu+eiuo.
Kuo onuponu+eiui o+ne+! Heisn ue mu+i +oio, +o +u ionopu+
Ku +i cen nync+nyemi?
Ku npou, o+ummuncn uu nouux.
Beuoenuie qpusi!
A c ueucom peo oc+ou+ no-ppyiomy Mi ue Mepcie u Kumie, u n
ue suum
Knep Hupne: Synup u Hemme, uunepuoe
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HnnL ena: Synup u Hemme, o+opie o+puu cen conmec+uo pu-
o+e. [u, nepuo, mi o+puuci uume suuonepuneco su+ee Hpuusu-
+eiuo +u: 0, pu y uuc opuuuonie mnni!, u su+em noni+u noni+u
uunucu+i suuonepunecym uuiy, o+opun su+puiunue+ nce ouc+u suu-
uun C em-uuypi em n nepy puuoiu n pyxe opeu u Xuppu [umepuuu-
cue omuu]. B ionopm ue o +om, n+o uyuo noppuu+i s+um neuum nu-
pum, n cnu+um, n+o n s+om coc+ou+ cymuoc+i ppyi. Synup u Hemme, Ku-
mie u Mepcie, ope u Xuppu opusi ppyi, pue ecu +uue ppysin
nopepy+cn uu puccopn+cn. 0+o ue umee+ suuneuun.
Onenupuo, n ppye cumo no cee ec+i uun-+o +uuu B xony cusu+i,
n+o ppyu +ecuo cnnsuuu c quocoque. Omeusnec+uo, n+o cono quo-
coqun o+ciue+ cony ppyi. B xony cusu+i, n+o quocoq ue myppe,
ue myppi neone. 0+o io i npoc+o cmemuo. Ou npepc+unne+cn, c+poio
ionopn, u ppyi myppoc+u, ppyi. To, n+o usopeu ipeu ue myppoc+i, u
oneui c+puuuun upen, ppyi c myppoc+im. Tu n+o e s+o moe+ osuu-
nu+i? 0+o+ nonpoc uso no cmicy nonpocy H+o +uoe quocoqun?
K+o nnne+cn ppyiom myppoc+u? Ou nepi ue myppe, s+o+ ppyi myppoc+u.
Onenupuo, cymec+nye+ +punuuiuun uu+epnpe+uun, n+o ou c+pemu+cn
myppoc+u, uo s+o ue puo+ue+. H+o su uuc+uuun nnucinue+ ppyy n quo-
coqum? O uo ppye up+ peni? [oui u mi Coo+uocu+cn u ouu c
quiypo ppyiu? H+o umeu n nupy ipeu? H+o s+o suunu+ ppyi Hon+o-
pmci, uusinu+i ppyiom +oio, +o c+pemu+cn myppoc+u, suunu+, noppusyme-
nu+i +o, n+o ou npe+eupye+ uu myppoc+i, ue ypynu myppim neoneom. A n+o
e s+o osuunue+ npe+eupeu+? 0+o suunu+, n+o cymec+nye+ +o-+o ppyio,
+o +ue npepnnne+ cno npuno uu myppoc+i, no+omy n+o uenosmouo
npe+euponu+i uu n+o-+o, ue umen ouypeu+on. Ecu y penymu ec+i opuu
noouuu, s+o suunu+, n+o ec+i u ppyiue, n+o y penymu ec+i uecoio
yxupon.
Knep Hupne: Buuo ynec+i, n+o +i ue opynu c myppoc+im, ue no-
moneu c ue
HnnL ena: He+, n ue euux myppoc+u, n npe+eupym uu myppoc+i.
H+u, ec+i uecoio npe+eupeu+on uu myppoc+i, u n+o e npupymuu n cnn-
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su c s+um ipeu? Hu mo nsinp, cy+i usope+euun ipeon +uonu: ux unu-
usuun usopeu qeuomeu conepuuon, s+o Ouu usopeu upem o +om,
n+o noncmpy up+ conepuunec+no cnoopuix mye. Huipe n mupe nopouoe
conepuunec+no cnoopuix mye ue nosuuo +oio n peuu. [u, opu-
+opcoe ucycc+no Bo+ nos+omy ipeu +u muu cnopu+i us-su upeu
conepuunec+nu cnoopuix mye: ppysin coc+nsum+cn, o+unuo Y muome
u eumuu ec+i noouuuu. Hoouuuu Heueoni Hx uecoio. 0+o
ipenecu qeuomeu par excellence [no npeumymec+ny] B pymum, speci ue+
uuneio ypunu+eiuoio, n s+om ipenecom qeuomeue conepuunec+nu cnoop-
uix mye. H s+o oncune+ quiypy ppyiu: quocoqun u npepnneuue
npunu, conepuunec+no su n+o-+o. 3u n+o e? 0+o mouo uu+epnpe+uponu+i
B uc+opuu quocoquu mouo ouupyu+i muoec+no micu+ee, pn
o+opix quocoqun cnnsuuu c s+o suiupo ppyi Tuux micu+ee,
pn o+opix +emu myppoc+u cnnsuuu c +uuo nomonu s+o uso no
cmicy puc+opiuy+o nomonu Kiepeiopu. He io i uuuo quo-
coquu es puc+opiuy+o nomonu c eio nepno nosmeuuo.
Knep Hupne: Peiuuo [Oiceu]
HnnL ena: Ho, u mi ionopuu puuee, s+o, nosmouo, pene+uun
nocepue mnu, nosmouo, s+o nocepunn moni. Bepon+uo, n quoco-
quuHupuoc+i oneui nuuu pn quocoquu. 0+o c+puuuo.
Hpepnouium, n+o mi ue moem noc+uni cy+i quocoquu, nou ue pus-
epmcn c s+umu nonpocumu: o euuxe u uenec+e, o ppyie, o +om, +o +uo
ppyi. Hs+o, u mue ue+cn, oneui uu+epecuoOneui uu+epecuo
Knep Hupne: HSuumo n uuie [pyu nicusinu upem
HnnL ena: A, pu, Suumo, s+o umee+ o+uomeuue Suumo u Muco-
o necimu nousu+eiui s+o pnu conpemeuuix quocoqu, o+opie n cnnsu
c quocoque uu pue c mimeuuem, yusinum+ uu oipomuym nuuoc+i
ppyi, uo n ocoom cmice. Ouu ue y+neppum+, n+o ppyi ueoxopum pn
suun+u quocoque uu pn +oio, n+oi micu+i. Ouu cnu+um+, n+o
ppyu s+o u+eiopun uu yconue ocymec+neuun mimeuun. H s+o nu-
uo. Peni up+ ue o oupe+uom neonee, ppyie, u o u+eiopuu ppyi u
yconuu mimeuun, o+cmpu u o+uomeuun Mucoo-Au+eim, uunpumep
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O+cmpu ni+eum+ u upeu Suumo o ppye. Ouu uemuoio suunu+, ecu
B onm cen uu micu, n+o ooum ueponepue ppyiy
Knep Hupne: Tu nponnne+cn ipenecun couuoc+i cnopy
HnnL ena: [pyu s+o ueponepue. Ec+i npemn B oneui mm
opuo c+uxo+nopeuue, uunucuuuoe uemeum nos+om Huc mepy couo u
noom nuc, oipu ueisn ponepn+i pue ppyiy. Cymec+nye+ +uoe npemn,
oipu ueisn ponepn+i pue ppyiy. B c+pumuo ueponepnun no o+uomeuum
uuy-Hiepy, ueponepnun no o+uomeuum ppysinm. B ue ponepnm c +uo
pupoc+im, n+o s+o ue npuuocu+ uuuoio npepu, nepi n+oi ouu ue cpeuu
co muo, n con+y s+o oneui suunuim, oneui
Mepy ppysinmu nosuuue+ +uoe omeuue u +uun omuoc+i Hu
mepy euuxom u uenec+o, uu mepy Ho, ecu yiopuo, ueisn cnu+u+i,
n+o nc s+o umi meue unuie peu. Koipu mi ionopum ppyu uu
y+puneuuun uenec+u u +u puee s+o +ecuo cnnsuuo c nonpocom o yco-
nunx nosuuuoneuun micu. Hunpumep, Hpyc+ cnu+ue+, n+o ppyu uun+o,
ue pn ueio unuo, uo pn micu. Ou cnu+ue+, n+o ppyu ue cnnsuuu c mic-
im. C ppyio c+opoui, ouu npucyc+nye+ n penuuno mnu, nnnmmecn
yconuem micu pn Hpyc+u.
<3.7=5
Knep Hupne: B xony supu+i nocepuu opo+u nonpoc o ppye.
Kue+cn, n+o c uyo u+e s+o ppyio cynu, nepi ni ppyu+e co npe-
meu Ocnoopeuun u nceipu puo+uu nmec+e Tnom ppyy c uyo uenos-
mouo onucu+i u npuym, ouu uenoxou uu +nou o+uomeuun c uuom-
Hiepom, ueucom, 0u uu epomom, pus y mi onn+i ionopum o ppyiux,
u n uom-uuypi quime Kopu Co+e.
Tnon ppyu c uyo iu oneui cuiuo, uo n ue npucy+c+nonuu puc-
+uuun Y ue io ueoe ocooe unec+no, o+opoe cospunuo nnenu+euue
qopmuiuoc+u pn ppyiux.
HnnL ena: [u, pu, pu
Knep Hupne: Tu n+o e s+o iu su ppyu?
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HnnL ena: [u, uyo i pn meun neunume suiupo. Bosmo-
uo, mi cumom nospuo nonc+penuuci, nosmouo uyo nync+nonu oi-
pomuoe coueuue no o+uomeuum o mue, u +u u n nu+u uemy oipom-
uoe ynueuue, +o u ue ni+ucn +onuo onpepeu+i cno nocnpun+ue uyo, uo
s+o i pepu neone ou nxopu n omuu+y, u nc meunoci ou usme-
un u+mocqepy. uyo ue npoc+o neone Soee +oio, upi us uuc ue
npoc+o neone. Ku nospyx, u io+o cneeio nospyxu ou cospunu oco-
euuym u+mocqepy, nc usmeunoci 0+o ue io 0+o io usmeueuuem
u+mocqepi, nosuuuu uun-+o smuuuun smuuuun uyo, uoe-+o oco-
euuoe cneneuue.
H s+o+ pusionop o uyo o+ciue+ +omy, n+o n cusu puuee, o +om, n+o
ue uyuo io c uum pusionupunu+i mi pusionupunuu +oio o uux-+o
cmexo+nopuix nemux. Hme+i ppyiu s+o non+u +o e cumoe, n+o u puccusu+i
nepuee cmonu+i o +om, n+o nisinue+ y +en cmex, nponnu+i +o, n+o su-
c+unne+ +en cmen+icn, oipu nopyi nc pymu+cn. [n meun uyo s+o nu-
mn+i o om-+o, +o [u, n ye ionopu npo ounuue u ec+i. ec+i uyo
iu npoc+o no+pncummu 0+o iu ec+i me+uu, cyxoio pepenu
c+puuuie ec+i, sunopuunummue, oneui pucunie. H+o poc+u+onuo.
<3.7=5
HnnL ena: B oue ouon, mpu oupum+ ounuuem +oio u-
iopupn cnoemy esymum, u s+o +pypuo noun+i. 0+o +e c+opoui Huc+onmee
ounuue s+o +u ipuui neoneu, o+opun pue+ noun+i, n+o ou ceiu esym-
ui, +u ipuui, inpn uu o+opym, nupumi, n+o s+o+ neone uemuoio ue n ce-
e. 0+o uuu ue cnnsuuo c pucnupom unuoc+u, uunpo+un, s+o +uue unuo-
c+u, o+opie ue pucnupum+cn.
Ho, ecu +i ue moemi pusinpe+i n om-+o meno+y, muym +ouy e-
symun ou +ee ue noupunu+cn, ue moe+ noupunu+icn. 0+o +u ipuui uume
unuoc+u, n o+opo n uo-+o c+eneuu ouu ec+i y ncex, y ncex uuc o+pu-
ue+cn +ouu esymun. Honi+ucn yxnu+u+i s+y +ony esymun, +ony, n o-
+opo cnuc+im uu uecnuc+im esymue c+uuonu+cn uc+onuuom oun-
uun[u
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G uuu n Gauche (Aenm)
HnnL ena: Hepexopum u+epe G!
Knep Hupne: G [u, cuonu su puo+y. Mi cenuc nouuem +ony e-
symun, o+opun ouc+u+yupye+ +no ounuue, n+oi nepe+u oneui cepis-
uo +eme noionopum o +nom o+uomeuuu eno (Gauche) upee.
HnnL ena: O pu, pu
Knep Hupne: B oneui pupu, n+o s+u +emu +en +u pusneceuu
H+o , u usnec+uo, +i nixope us ypyusuo cemiu npunix (droite)
nsinpon, uo co npemu Ocnoopeuun +i c+u, n+o uusinue+cn, enuom.
[unu oc+uuonumcn uu s+om noppouee: c uuc+yneuuem Ocnoopeuun muo-
iue us +noux ppyse, us +ex, +o +en opyu, c em +i usynu quocoqum,
nc+ynuu n uKH [upuuyscym ommyuuc+unecym nup+um] uu yc+uuonu-
u c ue +e uu uuie o+uomeuun
HnnL ena: [u, ouu nce npomu nepes ue pome meunB pymum, n
ue ynepeuouu nce npomu nepes nup+um.
Knep Hupne: Ku e +u noynuoci, n+o +i useu nc+yneuun?
HnnL ena: Hy, speci ue+ uuneio couoio. Bce mou ppysin npomu
nepes uKH, uo n+o e meun oc+uuonuo? [B ue c+u neuom nup+uu] no+omy
n+o, n pymum n i +pypoiouom, u em n ue mu copuuun, s+u copu-
uun, no npemn o+opix ouu ionopuu es nepepinu n npoc+o ue moi s+oio
niuec+u. A nepi +oipu neuc+no n uKH noppusymenuo, n+o +i poeu no-
cemu+i nce nup+copuuun.
0+o i nepuop supum xpouooiunecu opueu+up nepuop C+o-
ioimcoio nossnuuun. Toipu nce mou ppysin, oneui opupuuie mpu, e-
imu punmu coupuu nopnucu nop s+o c+oioimco ne+uue nopnu-
cu cnnmeuuuon, niu yiopuo. Ouu nce xopuu c s+um cnoum C+oioimcum
nossnuuuem, u n pue ue moiy ncnomuu+i, n+o +um io uunucuuo! Heoe
nooeuue ommyuuc+on io suxnuneuo s+um peom, uo pn meun s+o c+uo
npoemo, no+omy n+o n ocosuu cpepu moux ppyse-ommyuuc+on io
muoio oneui +uuu+unix uc+opuon, u n nopymu: Soe mo! Ouu i
npuuecu ypu oime noisi ommyuuc+uneco nup+uu, ecu i no+pu-
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+uu s+o npemn uu cnou puccep+uuu s+o io i nuuee pn nup+uu, nem
cop nopnuce nop C+oioimcum nossnuuuem, nop uo-+o pypuo ne-
+uue su mup uu n+o-+o +um em. Y meun ue io euuun nny+inu+icn n
s+o peo, no+omy n+o n ue i conooxo+unim nupuem i n uemuoio-
coneu, u ncn s+u su+en c nopnucnmu npuneu i meun n coc+onuue puueio
c+ecueuun, n i nnu n nuuuy. B uuoipu uuoio ue suc+unn nopnucinu+i
n+o-uo. H pue ynuc+ue n pucnpoc+puueuuu L'Humanite [nenu+ui opiuu
uKH], no ueo+opim uusmeuuim npunuuum B pue ue pymu o s+om. Y
meun ue io uuuoio euuun nc+ynu+i n Hup+um.
Knep Hupne: Ho, uecmo+pn uu s+o, +ee iu usu ux nou+une-
cue nsinpi?
HnnL ena: Bsinpi nup+uu? He+, ouu uuoipu meun ue uu+epeconu-
u, meun cnucuo oe-n+o ppyioe, +i nouumuemi o nm n [ucyccuu o C+u-
uue, +o, n+o uepunuo nincuuoci o um y+ue npec+yneuun C+uuuu
B xony cusu+i, s+o ncem ye usnec+uo.
Pusionopi o penomunx, o+opie nomu ue +u, u uyuo s+o
cmemuo. Hy npunpu, oio ouu xo+n+ opypu+i? Honie quocoqi nppyi
nincuuu, n+o penomuu noxo ounum+cn. Mi, pouo i+i, iu ue-
muoio +ynonu+i, ecu ouu cpeuu +uoe o+pi+ue o C+uuue! H c s+oio mo-
meu+u popoiu o+pi+u, nce nppyi nc nounu no+, uunpumep, u uepunuo, n
cnnsu c Aupco penomue: 0, ouu e noxo ounuuci, nepi ouu
pucc+penu c+ypeu+on! K+o noome cusu, n+o penomuu suuununum+cn
xopomo? K+o? K+o?
onopn+, n+o uuiunuue oomuci es penomuu, uo s+o e ucom+-
uun oi. B umem n nupy ncm s+y Ceiopun mi unm c s+o muc+uquuu-
e Y uuiunuu iu penomun, ouu yuu cnoeio opon u +u puee, u
n+o e ouu noynuu? Ouu noynuu Kpomnen. A uuiucu pomuu+usm,
n+o s+o +uoe? 0+o poioe pusmimeuue o nponue penomuu. Ouu ue pu-
u, nou nnu+cn [Auppe] mcmuu u ype+ ocmicn+i nponu c+uuuco
penomuu. Y uux iu penomun, npunpu, iu.
O umepuuuux noome monu+, uo nepi ouu npouipuu cnom penom-
um +u e esopusuo, u u oimenuu ecu ue xye. Ses my+o! Koipu
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umepuuui em po Boui su Hesunucumoc+i n ionopm su uesunucu-
moc+i ouu nnuuci nem-+o xypmum uu nem-+o ynmum, nem uonun uu-
un, ouu nimu uu npepei uuuouuiuoio. Hose Mupc ionopu +o e
cumoe o npoe+upuu+e: Hpoe+upuu+ npensom uuuu, c uuunmu noou-
neuo! Ouu cospuu uonix mpe, conepmuu uuc+onmym penomum. Ku
mupcuc+i puccnu+inuu uu yuunepcuiuym npoe+upusuum, +u u umepu-
uui puccnu+inuu uu yuunepcuiuym ummuipuum. [ne c+opoui ucco-
no opii. 0+o ucom+uo penomuouuo, s+o Amepuu [eqqepcouu,
Amepuu Topo u Menuu ouu npuuupeu+ u [eqqepcouy, u Topo, u
Menuy ncem um. 0+o conepmeuuo penomuouuun Amepuu, o+opun
nosnemue+ o uonom neonee concem +u e, u o s+om nosnec+uu
oimenuc+cun penomun. 0+u penomun nponuuuci, nce penomuu
nponuunum+cn, s+o omeusnec+uo, uo n uume npemn em ec+i mpu, o+o-
pie npe+eupym+ uu nepeo+pi+ue s+oio qu+u. [u y, uupo i+i oune-
uim upuo+om.
B pesyi+u+e, nce suny+uuci n s+om n conpemeuuom penusuouusme.
Bo+ [upuucyu] umpe o+pi, n+o upuuyscun penomun uu cumom pee ue
iu +uo neuo, u ncem usuoci. [u, ouenuo, ouu +oe nponuuuci,
nce suum+ s+o. upuuyscun penomun puu uum Hunoeouu! mpu conep-
mum+ o+pi+un, o+opie o+umpi ue nopuum+ meun cnoe uonusuo.
Spu+uucun penomun puu Kpomnen, pesyi+u+i Amepuuuco penom-
uu ousuuci em xye, nonnucn Hy, n ue suum [Pouuip] Peiuu, o-
+opi, u no mue, uunem ue ynme. [u, mpu uuxopn+cn n sumemu+eic+-
ne
[ue ecu penomuu nponuunum+cn, noxo suuununum+cn, s+o uuo-
ipu ue npenn+c+nonuo penomuouuomy c+uuoneuum. Cmemunum+ uco-
m+uo pusuie nemu: cu+yuuu, n o+opix epuuc+neuui ucxop pn neone-
u s+o c+uuoneuue-penomuouuim H onn+i e, mi em nuunue o
s+om ionopuu: s+o ny+uuuu c+uuoneuun u uc+opuu, u ecu mpu penom-
uouusupym+cn
<3.7=5
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[u, s+o ny+uuuu, nopopuuun uc+opuumu Hc+opuu ionopn+ o y-
pymem penomuu, o ypymem penomu, uo nonpoc ue n s+om. Ouu nceipu
moiy+ suinuy+i oneui pueo n npomoe u nonpoonu+i nousu+i, n+o noce
io noxo u pus no+omy, n+o n+o-+o nomo ue +u c cumoio uunuu. Kou-
pe+uun npoemu +uonu: u u nonemy mpu c+uuonn+cn penomuouepu-
mu? H, cnuc+im, uc+opuu ue cmoiy+ ypepu+i ux o+ s+oio. Onenupuo, n+o
u+eu KAP suxnuneui c+uuoneuuem-penomuouuimu, nuec+uui ox-
nuneui c+uuoneuuem-penomuouuimu. H no+, ecu mue +o-+o cue+:
O, no+ ynupumi, ecu ouu noepn+, ecu ux penomun noepu+, ouu noxo
ounu+cn u +u puee. Hy, npepe nceio, ouu ue ypy+ +emu e, nosuuuy+
uonie npoemi, su+em nonnn+cn uonie cu+yuuu u cuonu nicnoopn+cn
c+uuoneuun-penomuouuim. B cu+yuunx +upuuuu u nopuneuun supunu
mpe coc+ou+ n +om, n+oi no+u n coc+onuue c+uuoneuun-
penomuouuimu, no+omy n+o y uux ue+ uuoio nixopu. A no+om, oipu +o-
+o ionopu+ uum: O, s+o ue puo+ue+, mi ionopum o pusuix nemux, u
yp+o mi pusionupunuem uu pusuix nsiux ypymee uc+opuu u uuunuie
c+uuoneuun mpe s+o ue opuo u +o e.
Knep Hupne: H s+o uonomopuoe nonu+uuue npun neoneu nonce ue
nnne+cn c+uuoneuuem-penomuouuim, concem uuoopo+?
HnnL ena: Hocymu, s+o nonu+uuue npun neoneu ouo npo-
ypue+ no mue euuue ionopu+i, +oue+ meun uu uue-+o non+u opuos-
uie sunneuun. 0+o umee+ o+uomeuue +omy cuomy mimeuum, npucy-
memy epuomy uu+ee+yuiuomy nepuopy, o o+opom mi ionopuu puuee.
0+o nuc+un uc+puun Hpunu neoneu n+o s+o +uoe? 0+o nuc+un u-
c+puun, conepmeuuo nyc+un. 0+o +o e cumoe, n+o mi ye ionopuu o e-
uuuu, +o, n+o n noni+ucn nicusu+i ucu+eiuo euuun. euuue cnnsu-
uo c ouc+pyuponuuuem oe+u, eu+i ue suunu+ ionopu+i B xony +oio-
+o
Hunpumep, mi ue xo+um cnoopi u +u puee. 0+o epyupu. Hunpo+un,
mi xo+um mi uuxopum cen n +ex uu uuix cu+yuunx. B opumyci ou-
pe+uomy npumepy, npoemum conpemeuuo Apmeuuu, oneui uepunuum.
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H+o e s+o su cu+yuun (ecu, ouenuo, n npunuiuo e noun)? Hu cumom
pee, uu+o e ue suue+, moemi meun nonpunu+i, ecu n omuyci, uo s+o
uemuoioe usmeuu+.
Cymec+nye+ uuun n Cone+co pecnyue, s+o upmnucu uuun, up-
mnucun pecnyuu no+ cu+yuun, nepni ucne+. Kuun-+o +ypeun
ipynnuponu yc+pouu pesum
Knep Hupne: Asepupuui.
HnnL ena: Mi non+u uuneio ue suuem o +om, n+o npousomo, no-
+omy n+o Hpepnouium, n+o +u ouo u ec+i Ho, nc e, y uuc ec+i no+ s+u
pesun n Apmeuuu. Apmnue o+c+ynum+ n cnom pecnyuy, uucoio n nouu-
mum nonpuni meun, ecu n omuumci u no+om npoucxopu+ seme+pnce-
uue. Mouo nopymu+i, n+o +i nonu n npousnepeuue mupusu pe Cupu: s+u
uecnuc+uie mpu, o+opie npoxopn+ cumie +nue myu, npunuuuuie
ppyiumu mpimu, u oipu ouu nonupum+ n cno npueume, n peo nc+ynue+
npupopu.
Koipu ionopn+ npunu neoneu s+o npoc+o uu+ee+yuiui puc-
ypc, +omy e, npepuusuuneuui pn opuosuix uu+ee+yuon uu+e-
e+yuon, y o+opix ue+ upe. C cumoio uunuu n nceipu opumu nuumuuue
uu +o, n+o s+u peupuuu uuoipu ue cospum+cn u qyuun uenocpepc+-
neuuo nonenuuix mpe, upmnucoio omec+nu, upmnucux omuu u +u
puee. Hx npoemu s+o ue npoemu npun neoneu.
B nm e ux npoemu? Ouu 0+o +o, n+o n uusinum coneuuem. Koipu
n ionopu, n+o euuue nceipu nponnne+cn u coneuue [conoynuoc+i],
no+ u speci +o e cumoe: n+o mouo cpeu+i pn +oio, n+oi nopunu+i s+o+
uuun uu pn +oio, n+oi ou moi niu+i? Hem nnne+cn uuun n s+o cu-
+yuuu? 0+o nonpoc +eppu+opuu, u ue npun neoneu, peni upe+ o opiuuu-
suuu +eppu+opuu. H n+o e ouu pymum+, n+o coupue+cn cpeu+i c s+o cu-
+yuue opunn? H+o ou coupue+cn cpeu+i pn +oio, n+oi ue o+pu+i
s+o+ upmnucu uuun +ypum, o+opie cospum+ pn ueio yiposy?
B i cusu, n+o s+o ue nonpoc npun neoneu, ue nonpoc npunocypun,
copee s+o nonpoc mpucnpypeuuu. Bce s+u mepsoc+u, o+opie mpu niuy-
peui nepeuocu+i, ue nnnm+cn semeu+umu uc+pu+uix npun. 0+o iuyc-
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uie cynuu. Ti moemi y+neppu+i, n+o s+u cynuu noxou ppyi uu ppyiu,
uo s+o cu+yuuu, o+uocnmuecn cqepe mpucnpypeuuu. 0+y upmnucym
npoemy mouo uusnu+i +ununuo, ueoinuuo couo mpupuneco
npoemo. H+o mi moem cpeu+i pn +oio, n+oi cnuc+u upmnu u nomoni
um cnuc+uci n s+o esymuo cu+yuuu, n o+opo ouu cen ouupyuu?
A no+om uunuuue+cn seme+pnceuue, u ousinue+cn, n+o nce s+u spuuun
ue iu noc+poeui pouim opusom. Bce s+o mpupunecue cynuu. [e-
c+nonu+i pn ope+euun cnoopi, penomuouusuponu+icn s+o osuunue+
conepmu+i mpupunecue onepuuu, uunpuneuuie uu cuc+emy npunocypun.
Hpunocypun ue cymec+nye+, ue+ u npun neoneu Bce peo n mpucnpy-
peuuu 0+o u ec+i cnoco usope+euun suouu. 0+u mpu, o+opie poc+u-
+onuo ci+i, n+oi ncnomuuu+i o npunux neoneu, ionopu+i o uux ouu
npoc+o +ynui. 0+o ue nonpoc npumeueuun npun neoneu, u copee uso-
pe+euue qopm mpucnpypeuuu pn +oio, n+oi s+u cynuu oime ue no-
n+opnuci. 0+o concem ppyioe peo.
Ecu xonemi, n npunepy npumep, o+opi mue oneui upunu+cn, +u u
s+o epuuc+neuui cnoco nomoni mpnm noun+i, n+o +uoe mpucnpypeuun,
nepi ouu uuneio ue nouumum+ Hy ue nce, uo uu+o ue nouumue+ s+o, u
cepye+. B ncnomuuum +o+ cynu, oipu io sunpemeuo ypeuue n +ucu
Puuime mpu ypuu n +ucu. Ho npumo npemn, u um sunpe+uu ypu+i n
+ucu. Hepnie +ucuc+i, o+opie c+uu sunpemu+i mpnm ypu+i n +ucu,
nisnuu oimo nepenoox s+o nisnuo npo+ec+ ypuimuon, u opuu
neone, upnou+ Meun nceipu sunopuunuu mpucnpypeuun u npuno
Ecu i n ue usynu quocoqum, +o suuncn i npunom, uo, ouenuo e, ue
npunumu neoneu, u copee mpucnpypeuue. 0+o usui ue+ uuuux
npun neoneu, +oio npunu usuu, nos+omy usui pucpinue+cn npu
nepexope o+ opuoio cynun ppyiomy.
Ho nepumcn [+eme] +ucu: opuu nupeui ue xo+e, n+oi emy sunpemu-
u ypu+i n +ucu, u ou nopu n cyp uu +ucuc+cym qupmy. B oneui xopomo
nomum s+o, no+omy n+o c uu+epecom cepu su upiymeu+uue s+oio peu. H
+ucuc+i npouipuu peo ceiopun s+o ye uenosmouo, n +onuo +uom e
npoecce +ucuc+i i ue npouipuu. Opuuo nepumcn pey +ucuc+i
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npouipuu, uo uu uux e ocuonuuunx? Hu ocuonuuuu +oio, n+o, suusinun
+ucu, mi epm eio n upeupy, u nuccuup +ucu npupunuunue+cn [n npunux]
upeupu+opy uu cmmuy, u cmmu umee+ npuno ypu+i uu suuumuemo
um +eppu+opuu, ou umee+ npuno uu yno+peeuue u soyno+peeuue. Ku
yp+o ou cuumue+ nomemeuue, u ecu i mon nup+upuun xosnu cusuu
mue: He+, ni ue ype+e ypu+i n s+o nup+upe [u ue+ e, n cm-
mu u ypy ypu+i +um, ipe uny.
Tucu npupunuunue+cn nup+upe uu ocux, u nuccuup nup+upo-
cmmuy. [ecn+i e+ cnyc+n s+u npu+uu c+uu yuunepcuiuo ucnesu
(uu non+u ucnesu) +ucu, n o+opix mouo io ypu+i. Hu uux ocuo-
nuuunx? Tucu oime ue npupunuunuoci upeupyemomy nomemeuum, ouo
c+uo qopmo ommyuuiuoio ocyunuuun. B cumy qopmy ommyuuiuoio
ocyunuuun nmneuo npuno uu sunpe+ ypeuun. Bc s+o mpucnpypeu-
un0+o ue nonpoc npuoeuun +ex uu uuix npun, u nonpoc puccmo+peuun
cu+yuu, pusnunummuxcn cu+yuu, u, opnci su cnoopy, mi uu pee su-
uumuemcn mpucnpypeuue.
H+u, npumep Apmeuuu ue+cn mue +ununuim: npunu neoneu, +i
ye cusuu o uux, uo n+o e s+o suunu+? 0+o suunu+: Y +ypon ue+ npunu
yuun+ou+i upmnu. Xopomo, y +ypon ue+ npunu yuun+ou+i upmnu u n+o
puime? Hucoio pueo mi cmoem npopnuuy+icn?
Bce s+u peuiuie puccypeuun o npunux neoneu npuuupeu+ +y-
nuum uu uemepum n quocoqcom cmice s+o uuneio ue suunu+,
uoi. Cospuuue npunu s+o ue peupuponuuue npun neoneu. Cospuuue
npunu s+o mpucnpypeuun, +oio ouu peuiuu u, ceponu+eiuo, nosnon-
e+ opo+icn su npunu.
H+u, mi opu+umcn pnym nsuumocnnsuuuim nemnm Si+i enim, n
cnu+um, suunu+, cospunu+i npunu, cospunu+i npunu
'()* +,)-., >,?234A3638 010(23
HLep-Anpe Hy1un: Hnocepunn uu ceiopun
HnnL ena: [u! Hs+o xopomo
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Knep Hupne: Bepumcn s+omy nonpocy, nonpocy quocoquu npun
neoneu. Hoxoe, n+o s+o nooueuue npunum neoneu n uumu puu
c+uuonu+cn o+peneuuem o+ mun 68-io u mupcusmu. [u, Mupc Ti, pouo
i+i, ue o+peucn o+ ueio, nepi +i uuoipu ue i ommyuuc+om, +i nc
em cnocoeu nocnoisonu+icn Mupcom, +i npopouemi uemy opu-
mu+icn. A n+o po mun 68-io Ti opuu us uemuoiux, +o em ionopu+ o s+ux
coi+unx, ue onnnn ux eccmiceuuimu muoc+nmu moiuuon, +i ue
cnu+uemi, n+o n uumu puu nc usmeuuoci. Hos+omy punu uemuoio noiono-
pum o mue 68-io.
HnnL ena: eio Ho mue ue+cn, +no y+neppeuue o +om, n+o n
opuu us uemuoiux, nepecnyp peso. Tuux mpe oneui muoio, ue +oio n
uume cpepe, ue +oio n pyiy uumux ppyse, oneui muo B ue suuom uu
c opuum us nepeenuon
Knep Hupne: Ho s+o e +nou ppysin!..
HnnL ena: [u, uo muoec+no mpe ue o+usuuci o+ 68-io. 0+o
puuuoc+i, o+ne+ oneui npoc+: 68-o s+o n+opeuue c+uuoneuu. Muoiue
xo+eu i o+uocu+icn uemy u nuc+u noopuuemoio, uo s+o nonce ue
noopuuemoe s+o nuc+oe omymeuue peuiuoc+u. Peuiuoc+i n+opiue+cn,
uo mpu ue nouumum+, ouu cnpumunum+: H+o s+o +uoe? Peuiuie mpu
uu mpu n cnoe peuiuoc+u s+o io usymu+eiuo! Hem e ouu iu n
cnoe peuiuoc+u? C+uuoneuuem. [u, cymec+nym+ noxue c+uuoneuun
uc+opuu s+o ue concem nouumum+, uo n moiy noun+i, no+omy n+o nepm n
pusunue mepy uc+opue u c+uuoneuunmu
Mu 68-io i c+uuoneuuem-penomuouuim es penomuouuoio
ypymeio. Hose, nosmouo, uup s+um ypy+ cmen+icn, uo +oipu nosuu qe-
uomeu nuc+oio c+uuoneuun, ou onupe muccumu: c+uuoneuun-uno+uimu,
pue c+uuoneuun-pe+imu, c+uuoneuun-eumuuumu pn mynuu, c+uuon-
euun-mynuuumu pn eumuu. Bc s+o uuxopu+cn n conepmeuuo ocoo
ouc+u, o+opun pucmupne+ cnou ipuuui c cumoio uunuu uume ecepi
n+o +uoe c+uuoneuue? B mom us cnoux nponneuu mu 68-io i n+op-
euuem c+uuoneuun.
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Knep Hupne: Ti i +oipu nonenu n c+uuoneuue-penomuouuim?
HnnL ena: B c+uuoneuue-penomuouuim? [u, xo+n +non yiu
yusinue+ uu +o, n+o s+o+ nonpoc ue umu uspnu. Hy n+o , +oipu cuu
mue, n+o suunu+ i+i iomuc+om, enim? Si+i cumom uiopusymuim
pn c+uuoneuun-penomuouuim?
Knep Hupne: B i +u ue cusuu, n xo+eu i noc+unu+i nonpoc no-
ppyiomy
HnnL ena: [u?
Knep Hupne: Ec+i u pusuuu mepy +noum ipupuucum poiom u
enuu, o+opi ioocye+ uu niopux u nc +uoe, u +noum c+uuoneuuem-
penomuouuim n unec+ne enuu? Ku +i s+o peuemi? H n+o pn +en
suunu+ i+i enim?
HnnL ena: [u Hy, n pymum, n+o enoe npunu+eic+no ue cymec+ny-
e+, s+o ueypunu+eiuo, uume npunu+eic+no pouo i+i enim, uo ouo ue
+uoe. [eo ue n +om, n+o mepy npunu+eic+numu ue+ uuuo pusuui.
ynmee, uu n+o mi moem uupen+icn s+o npunu+eic+no, uiocouuoe
ueo+opim sunneuunm u +peonuuunm enuon. Ho enoe npunu+eic+no
uenosmouo, no+omy n+o enun upen uuu ue cnnsuuu c ynpuneuuem.
H+o n o+neny, ecu meun cnpocn+, u onpepeu+i enuu? Ec+i pnu cno-
cou: npepe nceio, s+o nonpoc nocnpun+un. H no+ n+o s+o suunu+: H+o +uoe
ue i+i enuom? He i+i enuom H+o-+o npope non+onoio uppecu, pucxo-
pnmeiocn o+ neoneu: +non yuu, iopop, c+puuu, ppyiue c+puui, nc oee u
oee ypuuuie. Bc uunuuue+cn c cen c meun u npunueiuponuuuoio
neoneu, unymeio n oiu+o c+puue. Mouo supu+icn nonpocom, n+o ce-
pye+ cpeu+i pn +oio, n+oi npopu+i +uym cu+yuum? Honnne+cn omy-
meuue onucuoc+u, onuceuue, n+o s+o poio ue npopu+cn s+o esymue. H
n+o e mouo cpeu+i, n+oi npopu+i s+y cu+yuum? K+o-+o cue+: O n
n, u+ui, ouu pueo, n+o uyuo cpeu+i, n+oi coxpuuu+i Enpony? u
+u puee.
Si+i enuom suunu+ npnmo npo+unonoouoe: nocnpun+ue onopn+,
nnoui nocnpuuumum+ ue +u, u mi Hx nocnpun+ue uunuuue+cn c nepu-
qepuu. Ouu cusuu i: no+ mup, ou+uueu+, ponyc+um, Enponu, upuuun u
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+.p., yuu Susep+, n. 0+o qeuomeu nocnpun+un, nocnpun+ue iopusou+u, noc-
npun+ue uu iopusou+e.
Knep Hupne: Ho nepi nnoui ue +uue y enuu
HnnL ena: 0+o ue o+ neuopymun Tnoe nospueuue, ue up+
pey. Ouu enuu n s+om [cnom nocnpun+uu], ouu enuu, no+omy n+o y uux
+uoe nocnpun+ue uppecu non+onoio uppecu. Cuunuu ni nupu+e iopusou+.
H suue+e, n+o s+o ue moe+ npopou+icn, s+o uenosmouo, cum qu+, n+o
muuupp mpe ymupue+ c ioopy. 0+o ue moe+ npopou+icn +u io
c+o e+, uu+o ue suue+, uo n s+o ucom+uo uecnpunepunoc+u ue+ nono-
pon pn my+o. 0+o nonpoc ue mopuu, u nocnpun+un.
Bo+ n+o suunu+ i+i enuom uunuuu+i c pun, oupu+i suuuuem, n
uo-+o c+eneuu nponuiuupuponu+i H noc+onuuo nomuu+i o +om, n+o
s+u npoemi poui i+i pemeui. B ue ionopm o +om, n+o uyuo nceio
umi copu+u+i popuemoc+i s+o em opuu cnoco coxpuuu+i npunueiuu
Enponi s+o ue +o. [Si+i enuom, suunu+] ucu+i copu, o+icunu+i nce-
mupuie coneuun, o+opie enu nouumue+, n+o npoemi +pe+ieio mu-
pu uum ue, nem npoemi uumux cocepe. Tu n+o, nc peo n nocnpu-
n+uu, u ue n uiopymuu. Bo+ n+o suunu+ i+i enuom no ncnom cy-
nue, pn meun.
A no-n+opix, i+i enuom suunu+, oupu+i +uo npupopo uu
copee c+uuoneuuem s+o npoemu c+uuoneuu uenpepinuoio c+uuon-
euun meuimuuc+nom. B s+om-+o u peo enie uuoipu ue moiy+ i+i
oimuuc+nom no oneui npoc+o npunuue: oimuuc+no s+o +o, n+o npep-
nouiue+ u pue n cynue iooconuuun ue npoc+o imee ounec+no
[mpe], ioocymmux su n+o-uo, oimuuc+no npepnouiue+ cymec+nonu-
uue s+uouu.
Hu 3unupe s+uou, onpepenmmu oimuuc+no, +uon: mynuuu,
nspoci, ie+epocecyu, iopouuuu 0spu Huyup, [oc, ouu ionopuu
uen+o nopouoe s+o io neuoenuo. Tuon s+uou. H+u, oimuuc+no
no npupope c+pemu+cn +omy oepuueuum, o+opoe n puuui oupe+ui
momeu+ peuusye+ s+o+ s+uou, s+o+ opus nspocoio ie+epocecyuiuoio io-
pouuuuu. Ho +uoe oimuuc+no uu c em ue connupue+ nouoc+im s+o
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nyc+o s+uou. Hpoc+o oimuuc+no mpe ouupyunue+ cen n s+om nyc-
+om s+uoue, uo cum no cee ou nyc+: mynuuu, ie+epocecyu u +u puee. A
eumuui ypy+ cumoonpepen+icn nocpepc+nom nueppeuun n s+o oimuu-
c+no uu no n+opunuie meuimuuc+nu coo+ne+c+neuuo +em npousnopuim o+
s+uouu ipynnuponum, n o+opie ouu nomemeui.
Ho n+o e cymec+nye+ nomumo s+oio? Bce +e c+uuoneuun, o+opie nn-
nm+cn c+uuoneuunmu-meuimuuc+nom. B xony cusu+i, eumuuu s+o ue
puuuoc+i, ue+ uuuo eumuui no npupope. eumuui oupum+ c+u-
uoneuuem-eumuuo; u pus y eumuuu oupue+ c+uuoneuuem-
eumuuo, ouo ec+i u y mynuui. Puuee mi ionopuu o c+uuoneuuu-
uno+uim. Y pe+e ec+i cno c+uuoneuue-peuom. Ouu ue pe+u no npu-
pope. Bce s+u c+uuoneuun u onpepenm+ cymuoc+i meuimuuc+n
Knep Hupne: 3uunu+, mynuuu ue moe+ c+uuonu+icn-mynuuo, s+o
c+o!
HnnL ena: He+, s+o s+uou oimuuc+nu!
Knep Hupne: A ou nyc+
HnnL ena: e+epocecyuiui nspoci mynuuu. Y ueio ue+ c+u-
uoneuun. Ou moe+ c+u+i eumuuo, uo +oipu ou noneue+cn n npoecci,
cnnsuuuie c meuimuuc+numu. enu coupue+ npoecci c+uuoneuun meui-
muuc+numu. H+u, n ionopm es me+uqop: oimuuc+no s+o uu+o, meui-
muuc+no s+o upi, u n s+om sumnue+cn cymuoc+i enunec+nu: n suu-
uuu o +om, n+o meuimuuc+no s+o upi, suuuue o +om, n+o cymec+nye+
qeuomeu c+uuoneuun. Hmeuuo nos+omy nce micu+eu c comueuuem o+uo-
cn+cn pemopu+uu, +omy, n+o mi uusinuem niopumu. 0+o omeusnec+uo.
'()* +,)-., ;,7538 3
Huuu n Histoire de la philosophie (Hc1opnn qnnocoqnn)
Knep Hupne: H+u, H s+o Hc+opun H s+o Hc+opun quo-
coquu (Histoire de la philosophie). Huc+o ionopn+, n+o n +noux puo+ux nep-
noe mec+o npuuupeu+ uc+opuu quocoquu. B 1952 iopy +i uunucu puo+y
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o [snupe Kme, u noce o Hume, Kuu+e, Sepicoue, Cnuuose. Tex, +o c +oo
ue suuom u npuuumue+ +en su ommeu+u+opu, oneui ypunu+ oiuu cmic-
u, Pusunue u non+opeuue, u +ue, ouenuo, Au+u-0pun u Ticnnu
nu+o. Hs-su nceio s+oio moe+ nousu+icn, n+o muc+ep Xup cpinue+cn n
po+ope [eue. Koipu nce ncnomuuu Mupcu, +i yiyucn n Hume, a,
oipu nce nonync+nonuu, n+o poui nponec+i Puxu, +i nu+u Cnuuosy c
eio suumeuu+im nonpocom Hu n+o cnocouo +eo? Ceiopun, n 1988 iopy,
+i nosnpumuemicn euuy. Tu n+o e +ee +u upunuoci u nc em
upunu+cn n uc+opuu quocoquu?
HnnL ena: 0+o coui nonpoc, no+omy n+o s+u uc+opun quoco-
quu nmnue+ n cen cumy quocoqum. B npepnouium, n+o muoiue mpu
pymum+ o quocoquu u o nm-+o oneui uc+pu+uom, o +om, n+o ouu pn
cneuuuc+on. Ho n +nppo nepm, n+o quocoqun uuu ue cnnsuuu co cne-
uuuc+umu s+o ue cneuuiuoc+i uu e +uun e cneuuiuoc+i, u
unonuci uu mysiu. Hos+omy n c+upumci puccmu+punu+i s+o+ nonpoc c
ppyio +onu speuun. H nos+omy, oipu mpu pymum+, n+o quocoqun s+o
uen+o uc+pu+uoe, u cepc+nue c+uuonu+cn uc+pu+uo u uc+opun quo-
coquu, xo+n ouu pue ue coc+ou+ us pusionopon o uc+pu+uix upenx s+o
qopmyuponu uc+pu+uo upeu o uc+pu+uix upenx.
Ho ec+i u ppyioe [n meun uc+opun quocoquu nceipu iu nem-+o
em. 3peci n cuonu ynomnuy unonuci. B pymum o pucyccunx n nucimux Buu
oiu n uux mouo uu+u ocypeuun nop+pe+on u nesue: Coupumci
u n nucu+i nop+pe+? B poeu nepuy+icn nop+pe+um 0+omy npupum+
oimoe suuneuue n cnoux pusionopux, n cnoux nucimux. Hop+pe+ uu ne-
su u s+o ue opuo u +o e, s+o ue opuu u +u e npoemu. [n meun uc+o-
pun quocoquu s+o, u u n unonucu, ueoe ucycc+no nop+pe+u. Pucye+-
cn nop+pe+ quocoqu, uo s+o quocoqcu nop+pe+ quocoqu. Cuy, n+o
s+o noxoe uu nop+pe+, cospuuui mepuymom, +o ec+i, n+o s+o ncuxune-
cu u pyxonui, cnupu+yuiui nop+pe+. H eio u+unuoc+i nouoc+im su-
nucu+ o+ cumo quocoquu +ue u u ucycc+no nop+pe+u cnnsuuo c u-
nonucim. Tu ueoupuuuo, ynu+inun +o+ qu+, n+o n cciumci uu xypouu-
on, n pounumci ueo+opix ycnexon.
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Ecu n cuonu ionopm o xypouuux, +uux u Buu oi uu oieu, +o s+o
no+omy, n+o uen+o n ux puo+ux npousnopu+ uu meun oipomuoe nnenu+euue
ux ecouenuoe non+euue, pue c+pux u nuuuu, c o+opimu ouu nopxopn+
pemeuum ne+u, oipu ouu c uum c+uunum+cn. Ocoeuuo npun+uo, n+o
s+u pnu xypouuu, o+opix n ynomuuum u n o+opix uuxoy nc cumoe
ynmee, nnnm+cn neunumumu oopuc+umu. Ho ecu opu+u+icn uc+o-
puu ux puo+, c+uuonu+cn ncuo, n+o ouu ucnoisym+ ne+ c npeneuo oc+o-
pouoc+im, co c+puxom. B uunue cnoe upiepi ouu npumeunu up+o-
qeiuie ne+u, ne+u semu u up+oqen, ucom+uo ue pesue Honemy?
He no+omy, n+o y uux ue io s+omy uu+epecu, u no+omy, n+o ouu em ue
ocmeunuuci pu+icn su ne+. H+o moe+ i+i oee +poiu+eiuim, nem
s+o? Hs nucem cepye+, n+o ouu ue cnu+uu cen poc+ouimu ne+u, nou
em ue iu io+oni pu+icn su ueio u pec+nu+eiuo nucu+i. Hpomu iopi,
npepe nem ouu cmoiu nsn+icn su ne+. Ku +oio ouu nonync+nonuu, n+o
io+oni ucnoisonu+i ne+, pu, umeuuo +oipu nonnuuci +e puo+i, o o+o-
pix suum+ nce. Koipu +i nupumi pesyi+u+i ux +pypu, uyuo o+uec+uci
uum c ynueuuem, ynec+i uenepon+uym mepu+eiuoc+i, c o+opo ouu npu-
c+ynuu puo+e. Hne+ pn xypouuu uen+o +uoe, n+o moe+ ponec+u eio
po cymucmec+nun, po esymun, +o ec+i s+o uen+o ponoiuo +pypuoe, +peym-
mee muoiux e+, n+oi uemy npuusu+icn.
He +o n+oi n ocoeuuo cpomui, uo meun nopuue+ u pec+nu+eiuo
moupye+ +o, n+o ec+i +uue quocoqi, o+opie +u npoc+o ionopn+: Cy-
mu, n uumepeu suun+icn cenuc quocoque, u n cospum coc+neuuym qu-
ocoqum, pu, y meun ype+ cnon quocoqun. 0+u y+neppeuun cimui us
yc+ ueymuix mpe cospu+i coc+neuuym quocoqum nepi quocoqun
noxou uu ne+. Hos+omy, npepe nem npuc+ynu+i quocoquu, ueoxopu-
mo comc+u muoec+no npepoc+opouoc+e cuy, n+o s+o ueoxopumo
cpeu+i po +oio, u onupeemi quocoqcum ne+om, u quocoqcu
ne+ s+o ouen+. A npepe nem usope+u+i ouen+i u npeycnenu+i n
s+om, ueoxopumo npopeu+i oipomuym puo+y.
B pymum, n+o uc+opun quocoquu s+o mepeuuun cpomuoc+i, poioe
puconuuue nop+pe+on, u s+u nop+pe+i ueoxopumi. 0+o noxoe uu +o, u
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ecu i pomuuuc+ cusu: Hy pu, n numy pomuui, uo, suue+e u, n uuoipu
ue nu+um pomuui, n+oi ue umu+icn npoxuoneuun. [oc+oencu? He+, n
eio ue suum. B cimu s+u yucuie nicusinuuun ueo+opix moopix
nucu+ee H nc s+o osuunue+, n+o ouu ue xo+n+ puo+u+i. Ho+omy n+o uuu-
ne uyuo poio puo+u+i po +oio, u npuc+ynu+i nemy-uo, u uc+opun
quocoquu s+o ue +oio nopio+onu, ouu xopomu cumu no cee. 0+o uc-
ycc+no nop+pe+uo unonucu n +o mepe, n uo ouu nosnone+ poc+uiu+i
neio-uo. Hos+omy nc s+o c+uuonu+cn uemuoio +uuuc+neuuim
Hum uyuo i+i oee +onuimu, +i pouu suc+unu+i meun i+i oee
+onuim, ue suum, moe+ nepepm ocypeuum ppyioio nonpocu Hu e
n npopoy n +om e pyxe. H+o npoucxopu+, oipu +o-+o +nopu+ uc+opum
quocoquu? Ti xonemi cnpocu+i o s+om n+o-+o em?
Knep Hupne: He+, n+o +i pymuemi o unuo noise uc+opuu quoco-
quu uum ye ncuo, +i ye oncuu s+o. Ho noisu quocoquu pn mpe
noome, +i ue suuemi Tu u +i ionopumi, n+o ue xonemi ionopu+i o cne-
uuusuuu quocoquu, o+opun +ue npepuusuuneuu ue-quocoqum.
HnnL ena: Cymu 0+o oneui npoc+o. Epuuc+neuui cnoco no-
un+i, n+o +uoe quocoqun, +onuee, +y c+eneui, n o+opo ouu uc+pu+uu ue
oime unonucu uu conuueuun mysiu n+o s+o concem ue uc+pu+uo.
Houn+i e nepes uc+opum quocoquu npu yconuu, n+o e ocmicunum+,
pymum, ecu mouo +u cusu+i, npu yconuu, n+o e ocmicunum+ po-
uim opusom. Hem ouu moe+ i+i? Opuo n moiy cusu+i +onuo: quocoq
s+o ue +o+, +o cosepue+ uu pue peqecupye+. uuocoq +o+, +o cospu-
+, cospu+ oneui cneuqunecym pusuonupuoc+i neme. Ou cospu+ ou-
en+i. Kouen+on n io+onom nupe ue cymec+nye+, ux ue+ uu uee, ouu ue
snspi, o+opie mouo ynupe+i uu uee. Hyuo cospunu+i, usio+ununu+i
ouen+i. H speci nosuuue+ +icnnu nonpocon, u mi +epnemcn us-su +uoio
ux ounec+nu: 3unem s+o uyuo? 3unem cospunu+i ouen+i, u n+o +uoe
ouen+ n +onuoc+u? Ho punu+e oc+unum s+o, o+oum uu npemn. B xony
cusu+i
Puccmo+pum s+o uu npumepe: no+ n numy uuiy o Hu+oue. A mpnm xo-
pomo usnec+uo, n+o Hu+ou cospu ouen+, ue cymec+nonunmu po ueio,
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o+opi mouo nepenec+u u Hpen c suiunuo yni H. H +o, n+o
ou uusinue+ Hpee, concem ue +o e cumoe, n+o upen y ppyiux quocoqon.
0+o nuc+o nu+ouoncu ouen+ po +uo c+eneuu, n+o ecu +o-+o ucnoi-
sye+ s+o+ ouen+ n +om e cmice, mpu oinuo ionopn+: 0+o quocoq-
nu+ouu. Ho, xo+eoci i suu+i, n+o e s+o osuunue+? Bceipu uyuo supu-
nu+icn nonpocom H+o suunu+ quocoqc+nonu+i? A ecu ue+, +o u ue c+ou+
quocoqc+nonu+i. Hyuo cnpumunu+i: H+o s+o? Ecu s+o couu, +o n nm
upen? Ecu s+o couu, n moiy onpepeu+i, n nm e Hpen no Hu+ouy. H +u-
um opusom n ye quocoqc+nym. B ni+umci oncuu+i s+o mpnm, u speci
ue uyuo i+i npoqeccopom, u mue ue+cn, n+oi i+i io+onim no-
un+i
<3.7=5
[ymum, n+o ou uusinue+ Hpee +o, n+o ue nnne+cn nem-+o uuim, +o
ec+i, nnne+cn +em, n+o ouu ec+i Cenuc s+o ue+cn uc+puue, u, u n
ionopu puuee, uc+puuu ue uyui. Bemi ye cumu no cee uc+puun.
Ho ue+, ue+, ue+, punu npunepm npumep, o+opoio ue+ y Hu+ouu: mu+i,
mumu s+o mu+i, uo ouu nnne+cn ue +oio mu+epim Xony cusu+i, n+o
ouu, uunpumep, euu u cumu poni ppyio mu+epu. [unu npepc+unum mu+i,
o+opun nnne+cn +oio mu+epim H ue +u y nuuo, inue+ +u uu
ue+ Hunpumep, s+o [enu Mupun, o+opym Hu+ou ue suu, ouu mu+i uu
+oio mu+i? Henuuo, inue+ +u uu ue+, uo umeuuo mu+i, o+opun iu
i +oio mu+epim u ue iu i n cnom onepepi ponepim ppyio mu+epu,
uusinuuci i +oipu Hpee mu+epu. To ec+i nemim, o+opun nnne+cn
+oio +em, n+o ouu ec+i. Hmeuuo s+o ume n nupy Hu+ou, oipu ionopu o
+om, n+o +oio cnpunepunoc+i cnpunepunu, +u u ouu ue nnne+cn uu-
nem ppyium, pome cnpunepunoc+u.
[n meun nc s+o ponoiuo npoc+o. To, n+o ucue+cn Hpeu ouenuo,
Hu+ou uu s+om ue oc+uuununue+cn, uo s+o eio o+npunuun +onu. [unu+e
npepc+unum uue-+o cymuoc+u, o+opie nnnm+cn +oio +em, n+o ouu ec+i.
Mi uusinuem ux Hpenmu. Tuum opusom ou cospu uuc+onmu ouen+,
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o+opoio puuime ue io upem nemu n e nuc+om nupe Hmeuuo nuc+o+u
onpepene+ Hpem. Ho s+o nc em ponoiuo uc+pu+uo, u nonemy e? Ho-
nemy? Ecu mi npopoum nepenu+inu+i Hu+ouu, +o nc c+uue+ noun+uim.
Y Hu+ouu ue+ uuneio eccuc+emuoio, u ouen+ Hpeu ou cospu uecynu-
uo. Ou onpepeucn n puuuo cu+yuuu: n+o i ue npoucxopuo n cumom
oupe+uom cynue, n+o i ue io puuo, nceipu uuxopn+cn conepuuu. To
ec+i mpu, o+opie ionopn+: n s+om n uuuynmu opuse. K npumepy,
Hu+ou ionopu+ o nou+ue u pu+ emy +uoe usonoe onpepeeuue, n+o no-
u+u nuc+ipi mpe, nuc+ipi, o+opi o uux suo+u+cn. B pesyi+u+e
nonnuoci muoio mpe, o+opie uunuu ionopu+i: Ecu +u, suunu+ n
nou+u, n nuc+ipi mpe. Tu moe+ cusu+i +opione, nuc+yx, o+opi
opmu+ mpe, npun, o+opi enu+ mpe nce ouu moiy+ cusu+i: B
uc+uuui nuc+ipi mpe. Huimu conumu, nosuuum+ conepuuu. H c ux
nonneuuem nc c+uuonu+cn uecoio oee oupe+uim.
B uuc+uunum uu +om, n+o quocoq cospu+ ouen+i, uunpumep, Hpem,
nemi n e nuc+o+e. Hu+u+ei nouumue+ ue cpusy, n+o s+o +uoe u nonemy
uyuo io cospunu+i +uo ouen+. Ecu ou npopoue+ pusmimn+i
uup nponu+uuuim, +o uuxopu+ cepymmym npunuuy: cymec+nym+ ncenos-
mouie conepuuu, o+opie sunnnm+ npe+eusuu uu +o uu s+o, +uum o-
pusom, npoemu Hu+ouu coc+ou+ ue n +om, n+o +uoe Hpen. Ecu up+u +u-
um ny+m, +o nc oc+u+cn uc+pu+uim. Copee nonpoc n ue +om, u cpe-
u+i niop mepy npe+eupeu+umu, u onpepeu+i, +o us uux ynmu.
Hmeuuo Hpen, +o ec+i nemi n nuc+om coc+onuuu, nosnone+ niupu+i cpepu
uux, nipu+i +oio, +o uuuoee ue uso.
0+o nosnone+ uum uemuoio npopnuuy+icn nnepp, nocoiy upi
ouen+, uunpumep Hpen, o+ciue+ npoeme B puuuom cynue npoemu
n +om, u nipu+i cpepu npe+eupeu+on. Ecu ni suuumue+eci quocoque
uc+pu+uo, ni ue nupu+e npoemi, uo ecu +o-+o ouupyunue+ npoe-
myMouo cnpocu+i, nonemy npoemu ue sunnne+cn quocoqom o+pi+o,
ecu ouu onpepeuuo npucy+c+nye+ n eio puo+e, mi e +um uuxopum, u, n
uom-+o cmice, c ue c+uunuemcn. 0+o no+omy, n+o uenosmouo peu+i
nc cpusy. 3upunu quocoqu pemouc+puun ouen+on, o+opie ou cospu-
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+, nos+omy ou ue moe+ nony+uo em yusinu+i uu npoemi uu, no pu-
ue mepe, s+u npoemi mouo ouupyu+i umi su ye cospuuuimu ou-
en+umu. Ecu ni ue uumu npoemy, o+opo coo+ne+c+nye+ ouen+, nc
oc+u+cn uc+puue. Ecu ni uumu npoemy, nc c+uuonu+cn oupe+-
uim. Bo+ nonemy y Hu+ouu noc+onuuo nosuuum+ s+u npe+eupeu+i u co-
nepuuu.
B moiy pounu+i s+u +emu nuesunuo uuupue+ oopo+i, pusymee+cn,
cumu no cee. Honemy nc s+o npoucxopu+ n ipenecom iopope, u nonemy s+o
nipymuuo umeuuo Hu+ouom? Bupumi u, npoemu n +om, u nipu+i
npe+eupeu+on, u ouen+ ocuonu quocoquu, npoemu u ouen+ ou-
en+ Hpeu, o+opi pu+ nosmouoc+i nipu+i npe+eupeu+on, xo+n s+o u
+u cynu+cn u ue uupo npupunu+i s+omy nuuoc+u. Ho nonemy s+u npoemu
u s+o+ ouen+ qopmupye+cn n ipeneco cpepe? 0+o uunuuue+cn y ipeon,
no+omy n+o s+o +ununuo ipenecun npoemu pemopu+unecoio, ipenecoio
iopopu. [ue ecu Hu+ou ue npuuumu pemopu+unecoio xupu+epu iopo-
pu, s+o oc+unuoci npoemo pemopu+unecoio iopopu. Ho+omy n+o, uu-
npumep, n +uom iopope muiuc+pu+ypu iu oe+om npu+nsuuu Hpe-
+eupeu+i moiu npepou+i cnom uupupu+ypy pn oupe+uoio pec+nun.
B umnepco qopmuuu, +uo, u no npemn ipeneco snoxu, qyuuoue-
pi uusuunum+cn umnepu+opom, u ue+ uuuoio conepuunec+nu. Ho n uquu-
com iopope ec+i conepuunec+no npe+eupeu+on. Tu io c Yuccom u euu-
xumu Heueoni speci cymec+nye+ eun cqepu ipenecux npoem. 0+o
unuusuun, n o+opo noc+onuuo nosuuue+ ouqpou+uun conepuuon:
no+ nonemy ouu usopeu iumuuc+uy, Oumnucue uipi, cypeuie ucu
uo uu+o ue mu+ cnopu+i oime, nem ipe usopeu mpupunecue
npoepypi, u suunu+ u cypeuie pusupu+eic+nu Ouu npe+eupeu+i.
Houumuemi? H n quocoquu ouu +uue e npe+eupeu+i Sopiu Hu+ouu
npo+un coquc+on. Ou nouiu, n+o coquc+i npe+eupym+ uu n+o-+o, uu n+o y
uux ue+ npun. Ku mouo onpepeu+i npuno+y uu uenpuno+y npe+eupeu+u?
0+u npoemu +ue oneui H nc s+o uu+epecuo +u e, u pomuu. Mi
suuem, n+o cymec+nym+ neuue pomuui, n o+opix npe+eupeu+i npo+uno-
c+on+ nepep cypom. Ho s+o ppyioe.
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A n quocoquu ec+i cpusy pnu noun+un: cospuuue ouen+u, u ouo nceipu
npoucxopu+ u qyuun npoemi. Ecu npoemu ue uupeuu, quoco-
qum uenosmouo noun+i, ouu oc+u+cn uc+pu+uo. Hpunepy ppyio npu-
mep mpu oinuo ue sumenum+ cnnsuuix c s+um npoem, ouu ue nupn+
npoem, no+omy n+o npoemi oinuo uemuoio cpi+i, ouu nosuuu, uo
ux ue nupuo. A suuumu+icn uc+opue quocoquu suunu+ nocc+uuununu+i
s+u npoemi, u nepes s+o o+pinu+i +o uonoe, n+o sumneuo n s+ux ou-
en+ux. Hou noxun uc+opun quocoquu cnnsinue+ ouen+i +u, u ecu
i ouu ue iu nicusuui, u ecu i ouu ue iu cospuui, nosmouu
nouun ueocnepomuuoc+i o npoemux Hpunepy ic+po nocepuu npu-
mep
<3.7=5
Bo+ mo n+opo npumep, o+opi pn pusuoopusun nouoc+im o+unu-
e+cn o+ nepnoio. opuspo nose nonnucn quocoq euu, o+opi uso-
p sc+puoppuuupui ouen+ u uusnu eio mouupu. Ou nipu +exuu-
necoe u couoe uusnuuue mouupu. [eo n +om, n+o n ouen+e nceipu ec+i
n+o-+o esymuoe Mouupu, o+opun n ppyiom cynue moiu i+i mu+epim,
upee n nuc+om nupe ec+i n s+om n+o-+o uemuoio esymuoe. Mouupu e-
uuu oosuunue+ cye+u oio-uuypi, +en uu meun n +o mepe, n u-
o ouu nipuue+ nceomuoc+i mupu. A, nipuun nceomuoc+i mupu, ouu
nipuue+ o+n+uno umi opuu eio pomenui peiuou, eio +eppu+opum
mi ye ionopuu o +eppu+opuu +eppu+opum uu +o, n+o euu uusinu-
e+ ynuc+om. H+u, cye+unuoe epuuc+no nipuue+ neci mup, uo ncuo
nipuue+ umi nuc+i mupu, ynuc+o s+oio mupu, u s+o ou uusnu mouu-
po. 0+o+ ouen+ usop euu, u po ueio +uoio ouen+u ue cymec+-
nonuo.
Ho nosuuue+ nonpoc: Honemy ou eio cospu? 0+o oneui muo, uo no-
nemy umeuuo +u, u ue uuune? Heoxopumo uu+u npoemy. A ou e ue +o
n+o npnne+ Ecu ni ue ncmo+pu+eci, +o ue uup+e e. B s+om npun+uie
momeu+i n+euun quocoquu, +uue e npu+niu+eiuie, u n+euue xopo-
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me uuiu uu puccmu+punuuue up+uui. 0+o ypunu+eiuo. H+o e ni o-
uupyunue+e, oipu eio nu+ue+e? H pec+nu+eiuo, ou ue usope+u mouu-
py npoc+o pn yponoic+nun. 0+omy ec+i ppyiun npunuuu: euu c+unu+
npoemy, u n nm e ouu? Hu cumom pee neci mup cymec+nye+ umi u
coeuuoe [cupnu+oe]. Bo+ nonemy n uunucu uuiy o euue u uusnu
e Cupu. Ou puccmu+punu mup u conoynuoc+i neme, coeuuix
ppyi n ppyie. [unu nepumcn uusup: nonemy ou +u puccmu+punu mup? B
nm +y+ peo? Ku u puuee pn Hu+ouu, o+ne+, nepon+uo, +uon: B +o+ nepu-
op, n+o io u nc oee cupnu+im, nem cenuc? [u, y uuc ue+ c+oio
npemeuu. 3peci nuuu upen coeuuoio mupu, cupu, uo nc ec+i cupu
cupu, uenosmouo uu+u conepmeuuo uecoeuuoio. H mu+epun coc+ou+
us cupo, uuesummux ppyi uu ppyiu, u micu, nocnpun+un, nync+nu nc
cupinue+cn n pymy. Hmeuuo no+omy, n+o nocnpun+un, nync+nu, upeu cu-
pinue+cn n pymy, euu couc+pyuponu ouen+ pymu, o+opun nipuu-
e+ neci mup, +o ec+i c eio nomomim ou o+pi, n+o neci mup cupnu+.
3peci uunpumunue+cn nonpoc: n+o +uoe noxo quocoq u n+o +uoe
neuu? Hoxo ue cospu+ ouen+on, ou ucnoisye+ ye io+onie upeu.
Ou nicusinue+ mueuun, uo ue quocoqc+nye+ Ou ionopu+: Bo+ n+o n py-
mum no s+omy nonopy. [u, +uux muoio, u ceiopun mi nceipu c uumu c+u-
unuemcn. Mueuun Hy, ou ue cospu+ ouen+on, ou ue onpepene+ n
npnmom cmice s+oio conu uux-uo npoem. Tuum opusom, nucu+i
uc+opum quocoquu suunu+ oynu+icn, npunm +i ynumicn u c+uuonumi-
cn uuc+onmum yneuuom n s+ux pnyx ouc+nx: n ouc+u+yuponuuuu npoem
u cospuuuu ouen+on. Hue+ uuuux
H n+o yunue+, n+o peue+ mimeuue upuo+unuim, cuoymuim u +omy
nopouoe? Heo+opie ionopn+, uo mi +u u ue ysuuem, o uux npoemux
ouu +oym+. Ouu ue +oio ue cospum+ ouen+on, suuumunci nipueuuem
mueuu, uo u oee +oio mi ue suuem, o uux npoemux ouu +oym+. B
umem n nupy, n+o mucumym, n+o um usnec+uo, s+o nonpoci, uo ecu n
cnpomy: Cymec+nye+ u Soi?, n s+om ue ype+ npoemi. Cymec+nye+ u
Soi? B ue onpepeu npoemy. H+o osuunue+ npoemu? Honemy n supum
+uo nonpoc? Kuun npoemu c+ou+ su s+um nonpocom? Hos+omy mpu nce-
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ipu io+oni supu+i nonpoc: A, nepm u n n Soiu uu ue nepm? Kouenuo,
ncem nc punuo, +o nepu+ n Soiu, u +o ue+. Ho nuuo, nonemy ou ionopu+
s+o, +o ec+i, uu uym npoemy cciue+cn s+o+ nonpoc, u uo ouen+ ou
coupue+cn cqupuonu+i, uo ouen+ o Soie. Ecu e ue+ uu ouen+u,
uu npoemi, +i ousinuemicn n iyno cu+yuuu, no+ u nc, suunu+, +i ue
suuumuemicn quocoque. Bc s+o ionopu+ o +om, uucoio ypunu+eiuu
quocoqun. A suuumu+icn uc+opue quocoquu s+o suunu+ o+pinu+i H
s+o ue oneui o+unue+cn o+ +oio, n+o ni peue+e, ousunmuci nepep neuo
up+uuo uu cymun mysiuiuoe npousnepeuue.
Knep Hupne: Hmeuuo +u, nosnpumunci oieuy u Buu oiy, +u u
+i omymuemi ux ueynepeuuoc+i o+ c+puxu nepep ne+om, n+o e npoucxopu+
c +oo, oipu +i nepexopumi o+ uc+opuu quocoquu cnoe coc+neuuo
quocoquu?
HnnL ena: A no+ n+o. Hecomueuuo, uc+opun quocoquu puu mue
muuc oe-nemy uuynu+icn n umem n nupy, n+o n cmoi uunu+i ny+i ope+e-
uum ne+u n quocoquu, +o ec+i Ho no+ n+o uu+epecuo: nonemy nc s+o,
nonemy quocoqun ue ucnesue+, u cynuoci, n+o y uuc nc em ec+i quo-
coqun? Ho+omy n+o nceipu cymec+nye+ nosmouoc+i cospunu+i ouen+i.
Ho ceiopun cospuuue ouen+u npucnoeuo cpepc+numu muccono uu-
qopmuuu, peumo; ionopn+, n+o nosmouo cospunu+i ouen+i c nomo-
mim omnim+epon, u s+o ei nsi, ypupeuui y quocoquu pupu
ommyuuuuu. Hyuo i+i peu+unuim, cospunu+i ouen+i, uo
+o, n+o ouu uusinum+ ouen+umu u +nopnec+nom, uu cumom pee
cmemuo, uu s+o ue c+ou+ opumu+i nuumuuue. A cospuuue ouen+on nc
em supunu quocoquu. 0+o nc em u+yuiuo ceiopun
Hu meun uuoipu ue npousnopuu nnenu+euun mpu, o+opie sunnn-
u o cmep+u quocoquu, o e npeopoeuuu, +o ec+i +e quocoqi, o+opie
nipuuu c+oi couie micu. Bc s+o uuoipu uu meun ue pec+nonu-
o, ue ucuoci meun, no+omy n+o n ionopm cee: Xopomo, uo n+o e nc s+o
suunu+? Hou cymec+nye+ no+peuoc+i n cospuuuu ouen+on, ype+ u qu-
ocoqun. Hocoiy quocoqun no onpepeeuum suuumue+cn cospuuuem
ouen+on u ue oupue+, n+o ouu ye io+oni mi poui cospunu+i ux, u
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mi cospum ux u qyuuu npoem. [u, npoemi pusnunum+cn. H nos+o-
my s+o em u+yuiuo Kouenuo, mouo i+i nu+ouuc+om, euuuuu-
em, u n uume npemn, n 1989 iopy, em u uu+uuuem. Ho n+o s+o n +onuoc+u
osuunue+? 0+o osuunue+, n+o onpepeuuie npoemi, ouenuo e, ue nce, u
npoemi, su+pouy+ie Hu+ouom, nosnonm+ conepmu+i ueo+opie +puuc-
qopmuuu, u +oipu nu+ouuc+om cnu+ue+cn +o+, +o em noisye+cn ouen-
+umu Hu+ouu. Ecu mi c+unum npoemi, umemmue concem ppyiym npupo-
py
Mue ue+cn, n+o cpepu neuux quocoqon ue+ +uoio, o+opomy uene-
io io i cusu+i o neuo npoeme, c o+opo mi c+uunuemcn ceio-
pun. Ho suuumu+icn quocoque suunu+ cospunu+i uonie ouen+i, u
qyuuu npoem, c+onmux nepep uumu ceiopun. Hocepuu ucne+ s+oio
npesninuuo puuuoio nonpocu onenupuo ype+: H+o coo npepc+unne+
snomun npoem, n+o nnne+cn e iupuu+ue? B moi i ionopu+i o uc-
+opunecux, couuiuix cuux xopomo, uo ec+i uen+o oee iyooe. Bc
s+o oneui +uuuc+neuuo, u y uuc ue+ npemeuu, n+oi ocypu+i s+o+ nonpoc, uo
n nepm n cnoeio popu c+uuoneuue micu, n e snomum, o+opun nep+ ue
+oio o+usy o+ noc+uuonu opuux u +ex e npoem, uo u o+usy o+ no-
c+uuonu ux +em e cumim cnocoom. Hpoemu moe+ i+i noc+uneuu ue-
coiumu ypunuimu cnocoumu ec+i uuc+on+eiuun ueoxopumoc+i, u
cuiui nopin ne+pu, u pue no+peuoc+i n +om, n+oi cospu+i u noccos-
pu+i uonie ouen+i. Tu n+o uc+opum quocoquu uenosmouo cnec+u
couuiuomy uu ppyiomy nunuum
Ec+i nouoe c+uuoneuue micu, uen+o oneui suiuponuoe, n+o suc+unn-
e+ uuc npeycnenu+i n onpepeeuunx, uo, i+i moe+, ue micu+i +u, u mi
s+o peuu uecoio c+oe+u uusup. Hos+omy n pusmimnm o uonix npo-
eccux mimeuun, suncux micu. Mici umee+ cnom uc+opum cymec+-
nye+ uc+opun nuc+o micu. B cnu+um, n+o s+o u ec+i uc+opun quocoquu. Y
ue nceipu iu nceio opuu qyuun, u s+o, u mue ue+cn, quocoqun.
Hos+omy ue+ uypi o+usinu+icn o+ ue, +u u y ue cnon qyuun.
B,6=7,, 3
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HnnL ena: H+u, pu, +i xo+eu n+o-+o cusu+i?
Knep Hupne: [u, u npoemu snomuouupye+ c +eneuuem npemeuu?
HnnL ena: 0+o pouoHe suum, s+o pouo i+i no-pusuomy
Knep Hupne: Tu u mici pusnunue+cn
HnnL ena: 0+o, uunepuoe, sunucu+ o+ oupe+uoio cynun. B niu-
pum H cuonu pn s+oio nopop+ cepymmu npumep: n+o io em n cem-
uupu+om nee pn oimuuc+nu neuux quocoqon npepme+om ueiu+unuo-
io ecnooc+nu? Hx nouonuo yc+puueuue omuu. 0+o i nonpoc yc+pu-
ueuun onucuoc+u omuu. Huimu conumu ueiu+unu micu u nosmouo
omuu pusymu, nonpoc ypepuuun pusymu o+ +uo omuu. Ku yc+puuu+i
omuy? Ho noce poioio, noc+eneuuoio nonopo+u n nocemuupu+om c+oe-
+uu, nosuuue+ uuun npoemu. Ouu moiu i i+i +uo e, uo ouu concem
ppyiun: s+o oime ue ocypeuue omuo, u ocypeuue umsu, +o ec+i
upen +oio, n+o pusym ue +oio opyu umsunmu, uo pue cnocoeu cum
nopopu+i ux, ue +oio omuunci, uo u cospunun umsuu. Tuono ocuon-
uoe +eneuue nocemuupu+oio c+oe+un u +uoni pusmimeuun quocoqon
+oio npemeuu ocypeuue cyenepu u +omy nopouoe. Hos+omy, xo+n s+o u
uunomuuue+ cemuupu+i ne, uu cumom pee n nocemuupu+om nee popu-
oci uen+o ucom+uo uonoe. Mouo io i cusu+i, n+o nc peo n cou-
uiuix npunuuux, uo ec+i +ue u cpi+un uc+opun micu, o+opun moiu
i c+u+i nuueme +emo pn ucceponuuu. Bonpoc oime ue n +om, u
useu+i omuo, u n +om, u npeycne+i n pucceunuuuu umsu, o+opie
opyum+ ym. 3u+em, n penn+uupu+om c+oe+uu n uumepeuuo usuium nc
oneui ynpomuuo u ue ycounn u+u, n+o e npoucxopu+ n penn+uupu-
+om c+oe+uu? Hoxoe, n+o nc npopnuuyoci em puime, uo ue nisnuo
oounu+eiuoio nspinu, copee nc oime nuumuuun ypenoci +omy, u
useu+i umsu. He+, peo io ue n pusyme u n mpnx, o+opie, ypy-
nu pyxonuimu cospuuunmu, uuoipu ue nepec+um+ ionopu+i iynoc+u. A s+o
ue +o e cumoe, n+o umsun uu nnupeuue n umsum: Ku useu+i iy-
noc+u?
0+u +emu nopnpuy+u n puo+ux mpe, usux quocoquu: uoep
i uso quocoquu u s+o npoeme iynoc+u, Sopep +ue pus-
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mimn uup s+o npoemo, oo ncm +om, n+o io ye ue umsue u
+u puee. H no+ cuonu mouo cusu+i, n+o s+o cnnsuuo c couuiuo snom-
ue, uunpumep, c snomue ypyusuu penn+uupu+oio c+oe+un, o+opun
cpeuu npoemy iynoc+u uucymuo npoemo. Hpepucuo, uo ec+i
n+o-+o oee iyooe n +uo snomuu, n +om +une uc+opuu npoem, c o-
+opo c+uunue+cn mici, u upi pus, oipu mi c+unum npoemy, no-
nnnm+cn uonie ouen+i. Hos+omy, ecu mi ocmicum uc+opum quoco-
quu +uum opusom u cospuuue ouen+on u ouc+u+yuponuuue npo-
em, oee uu meuee cpi+ix, o+opie mi poui ouupyunu+i mi
ynupum, n+o quocoqun uuu ue o+uocu+cn uc+uuuomy uu ouomy.
Houc uc+uui umu cmicu.
Ecu nc peo n cospuuuu ouen+on n+o s+o osuunue+? Cospuuue ou-
en+on u ouc+u+yuponuuue npoem ue nonpoc uc+uui uu u, u nonpoc
cmicu Hpoemu [u, n ue poeu i+i cmic Ho inum+ e npo-
emi, y o+opix ue+ cmicu, npunpu? H npoemi, o+opie umem+ cmic.
3uunu+, suuumu+icn quocoque s+o ouc+u+yuponu+i npoemi co
cmicom, u cospunu+i ouen+i, suc+unnmmue uuc pnuiu+icn nouumuuum
u pemeuum npoem.
Knep Hupne: B i xo+eu nepuy+icn pnym nonpocum, o+opie nnn-
m+cn ocoeuuimu pn +en
HnnL ena: Ax pu, mue ue+cn, n+o n oneui[u? [u?
Knep Hupne: Koipu +i cuonu nepuycn uc+opuu quocoquu n npo-
moiopue uuie o euue, io u s+o noxoe uu +o, n+o +i peu pnu-
pu+i e+ uusup, +o ec+i po +oio, u uunu cospunu+i cnom coc+neuuym qu-
ocoqum? Sio u s+o cpeuuo +em e cnocoom?
HnnL ena: He+, ouenuo e! He+, no+omy n+o puuime n ucnoisonu
uc+opum quocoquu u ueoxopumi s+un yneuunec+nu pn +oio, n+oi
ucceponu+i ouen+i ppyiux, +o ec+i, ouen+i neuux quocoqon u
npoemi, o+opim ouu o+nenum+. B +o npemn u n uuie o euue n
+om, n+o n coupumci cusu+i, ue+ uu unu +mecunun n cmemu npoe-
mi pnupu+oio c+oe+un, o+opie, nosmouo, mou coc+neuuie, c +emu, o-
+opie noc+unu euu, nocoiy i yepu n u+yuiuoc+u quoco-
qon.
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Hunpumep, n+o suunu+ cospunu+i, u cospu+ neuu quocoq?
Cospunu+i, u ou ue suunu+ i+i eio yneuuom. Cospunu+i, u ou osuu-
nue+ npopou+i eio peo, cospunu+i ouen+i, cnnsuuuie c +em, n+o cospu
ou u c+unu+i npoemi n o+uomeuue u n pusnu+ue cospuuuix um ouen+on.
Puo+un uup euuem, n m s+um ny+m, +oipu u n nepnix uuiux no
uc+opuu quocoquu n uuxopucn uu pone+ono c+upuu.
Knep Hupne: H +i nocnn+u cnom puo+y Cnuuose, u +ue Hume, n
o+opix +i cqoycuponucn uu cpi+o u npn+o ouc+u quocoquu.
H+o +i xo+e s+um cusu+i?
HnnL ena: Hy, moe+ y uuc em ype+ nosmouoc+i nepuy+icn s+o-
my. Ho-moemy Mi moiu i s+omy nepuy+icn. Ho-moemy, s+u cpi+un o-
uc+i nmnue+ n cen micu+ee, o+opie o+usuuci o+ mo +puuc-
eupeu+uoc+u. H o+usunmuci o+ +puuceupeu+uoc+u, mi poui onpepe-
u+i s+o, u moe+ y uuc em ype+ muuc nepuy+icn +puuceupeu+uoc+u. 0+o
o+uocu+cn +em un+opum, o+opie o+usuuci o+ yuunepcuiuoc+u, +o ec+i
o+ upe ouen+on, oupummux yuunepcuiuo euuoc+im, o+ mo
+puuceupeu+uoc+u, +o ec+i o+ mo uuc+uuuu, o+opun pucnouiue+cn
nue semu u mpe.
Knep Hupne: Bosnpumunci +omy, n+o io cusuuo puuee
HnnL ena: Ouu un+opi ummuueu+uoc+u.
Knep Hupne: Tnou uuiu o Hume u Cnuuose c+uu uuc+onmumu co-
i+unmu, +i usnec+eu uiopupn umeuuo s+um uuium, opuuo ueisn cu-
su+i, n+o +i +uo uumeuue uu cnuuosuc+, u ueo+opix uusinum+
nu+ouuc+umu uu uumeuuumu. Ti npom nepes nc s+o em n nepuop
cnoeio yneuunec+nu, u +i ye +oipu i pesuuuem. Heisn cusu+i, n+o
+i cnuuosuc+.
HnnL ena: Ti cpeuu mue oipomui omnumeu+, +o ec+i, ecu
s+o npunpu, s+o peue+ meun oneui cnuc+unim
Knep Hupne: Ti s+o nync+nyemi?
HnnL ena: 0+o +o, uu n+o n nceipu uupencn, iu mon puo+u xopo-
mu uu noxu, n suu, n+o moiy no+epne+i ueypuny, nepi n nceipu c+unu
npoemi pn cnoux coc+neuuix ee u pn uux e cospunu ouen+i.
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Soime nceio uu cne+e n xo+e uo-+o nuu+uquuuu quocoquu. To
ec+i, n+oi upomy quocoqy i npucnoeu cnoeio popu muiunecu uo-
mep, coo+ne+c+nymmu ounec+ny ouen+on, o+opie ou peuiuo cospu,
o+opie coo+uocn+cn c npoemumu u +u puee. Tuum opusom, ypy+ mu-
iunecue uomepu [eup+u, eien, euuu. B cnu+um, n+o s+o uu+epecuun
upen. Kouenuo e, n ue nocme i ousu+icn n ux nuce, uo, nosmouo, y me-
un i i mueuiu muiunecu uomep n ocuonuom su cospuuue ouen-
+on u qyuu npoem. Hpoc+o, u n ionopm cee cum, n iopyci +em,
n+o uo i ouen+ n ue ni+ucn cospu+i, n nceipu moi yusu+i uu npo-
emy, o+opo s+o+ ouen+ o+uocu+cn. Huune s+o io i nyc+o o-
+onu.
Knep Hupne: 3unepmun +emy, oneui xony supu+i nocepuu nonpoc. Ou
uemuoio nponouuouui B +o npemn, ipe-+o n 1968 iopy u pue puuime,
oipu nce usynuu Mupcu u nu+uu Puxu, ue io u s+o ponoiuo npono-
uuouuim opumu+icn Hume, o+opoio +oipu nopospenuu n qumus-
me, u +ue ionopu+i o Cnuuose u +ee, oipu nce es ouu npononeponuu
Puxu? He iu u uc+opun quocoquu pn +en mueuio nponouue?
<3.7=5
Knep Hupne: He io u s+o nponouue?
HnnL ena: He+, uo s+o nouoc+im cnnsuuo c +em, n+o mi c +oo o-
cypuu, s+o non+u +o+ e cumi nonpoc, no+omy n+o +o, n+o n ucu, u pue
+o, n+o n ucu nmec+e c ueucom, io uum-+o nopuuuo ummuueu+uim
usmepeuuem eccosuu+eiuoio.
Hunpumep, ncuxouuuus noou +puuceupeu+uix semeu+on suou,
o+e, mu+i nc s+o. A no+ noe ummuueu+uoc+u, o+opoe nosnouo mue on-
pepeu+i eccosuu+eiuoe, io, nepon+uo, +o ouc+im, n o+opo Cnuuo-
su cmoi npopnuuy+icn puime ncex, +ypu, ypu uu+o ue npoxopu u, nos-
mouo, ipe i +ue u Hume puime ncex oc+uiuix. Tu n+o, ue+cn,
n+o s+o ue iu nponouun, xo+n Cnuuosu u Hume, nosmouo, conepmuu
n quocoquu ipuupuosuoe ocnoopeuue micu, non+u nspin. H cospuu
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cumie ueoinuie ouen+i, no+omy n+o ux npoemi iu n uom-+o
cmice npn+imu, mpu o+usinuuci suuumu+icn umu no npemeuu Cnu-
uosi u pue no npemeuu Hume 0+o iu npoemi, o o+opix mpu ue
cmeu puccypu+i, +o, n+o ouu uusinum+ oc+pimu npoemumu
Knep Hupne: Hy, mi moem npopou+i, ecu +i oime ue xonemi
o+nenu+i.
HnnL ena: A?.. H+u, nepexopum u+epe K?
Knep Hupne: He+, mi nepexopum I.
HnnL ena: A, npoc+u, pu
I uuu n Idee (Hen)
Knep Hupne: I u Hpen (Idea), uo oime ue u upen Hu+o-
uu, o+opym +i uepunuo ynomnuy. H+u
Bmec+o +oio n+oi io+onu+i +eope+unecu uuc+pymeu+upu, +i nceipu
i ynenu upenmu quocoqon u nousu uum, n+o suuemi ux ec+nme
upeu micu+ee o+ uuo, +o ec+i peuccpon, upeu xypouuon n uno-
nucu. Bmec+o oncueuu u ommeu+upuen, +i npepnonu+uemi upeu u
coc+neuuie, +u u ppyiux mpe. Honemy e pn +en upen npeumymec+-
neuuee, nem n+o-uo ppyioe?
HnnL ena: [u, +i npunu: upen n +om nupe, n uom n e ucnoi-
sym, uuu ue ucue+cn Hu+ouu, u e mouo nc+pe+u+i n mom +nopnecom
pee
Tnopu+i suunu+ ume+i upem. Ho poc+u+onuo couo ume+i upem, ec+i
+uue mpu, u ux nonce ue npesupum+ su s+o o+opie upy+ no usuu, ue
umen uuuo upeu. H uuunue upeu moe+ i+i n mo ouc+u n ue
nuy uu opuo, ipe o+cy+c+nye+ mec+o pn uuxopeuun upe. 0+o inue+
pepo. Hecmo+pn uu +o, n+o sumenu+eiuo oupu+i upee, s+o ue cynue+cn
eepuenuo.
Tu no+ y xypouuu ue meuime upe, nem y quocoqu, uo s+o ueopu-
uuoni nup upe. Mouo supu+icn nonpocom, ecu mi puccypuem o pus-
uix nupux neoneneco pen+eiuoc+u, uum opusom popue+cn upen n
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+om uu uuom cneuqunecom cynue? Cynu quocoquu mi +oio n+o
puccmo+peu: upen n quocoquu pucpinue+cn n qopme ouen+on. 0+o cos-
puuue ouen+on. 0+o ue o+pi+ue ouen+on uu+o ue o+pinue+ ou-
en+i, ux cospum+. B quocoquu c+oio e +nopnec+nu, coio n usopu-
su+eiuom ucycc+ne uu n conuueuuu mysiu. H+um, u +um ec+i upeu
B i nopuu +em, +o +uo peuccp quimu po momeu+u, oipu
uo-+o us uux c+uuonu+cn nuuim, cymec+nye+ muoec+no peuccpon, y
o+opix ue+ uu mueme upeu. Ho upeu ponoiuo uunnsnuni, ouu +uue
npuxopn+, no+om yxopn+ u ucnesum+, npuuumum+ pusunuie qopmi, uo nce
s+u qopmi, uumu i pusuoopusuimu ouu uu iu, ouu oc+um+cn pucno-
suunuemimu.
Hooeuue neme poc+u+onuo npoc+oe, n epy uuyiup un+opu uuo, uu-
npumep, [Buuceu+e] Muuueu. K+o-+o moe+ cusu+i, n+o nepes nc eio
+nopnec+no Hy, ue concem nepes nc, s+o ue o+uocu+cn o ncem quimum, uo
n nipu s+o+ npumep, no+omy n+o ou npoc+ K+o-+o moe+ cusu+i, n+o ou
nonpomue+ cumoio cen, u mue ue+cn: n+o e pec+nu+eiuo suunu+ +o, o
nm mpu nupn+ cui? Ouu nupn+ cui 0+o pucyccuouui nonpoc, u mouo
cusu+i, n+o s+o uuuiuo B omem, mpu nupn+ cui n ueo+opi momeu+.
Ho Muuueu supu+ oneui c+puuui nonpoc, u ou o+uocu+cn +oio uemy,
uucoio n suum: H+o osuunue+ npucy+c+nonu+i n niux-+o cuux? H s+o
nupiupye+cn o+ omunecoio po +puiunecoio u po o+npu+u+eiuoio.
H+o osuunue+ i+i no cuux, uunpumep, moopo penymu? Hpucy+c+nue
n niux-+o cuux moe+ c+u+i npunuuo pec+nu+eiuo yucuix neme: i+i
suouuom nieio-+o cuu s+o, nepon+uo, ommup n nuc+om nupe. Huoipu n
cnoux quimux Muuueu npepuiue+ ynupe+i cou, nonpomun: H+o osuunu-
e+ npucy+c+nonu+i n ommupe noui? Ou cospu sumenu+eiuix He+ipx
ncupuuon Anouuncucu, ipe ou ue npepc+unne+ nouy u nouy s+o ue
iu i puo+u Muuueu. Ou npepc+unne+ nouy u oipomui uonuo
ommup. H+o e osuunue+ npucy+c+nonu+i n ommupe? H+o osuunue+ npucy+-
c+nonu+i no cue moopo penymu? 0+o mouo ynupe+i n mysiuiuix o-
mepunx, suumeuu+ix mysiuiuix omepunx, u umeuuo +um, ipe upep Ac+ep
uu [uu Keu n ue concem ynepeu +o us uux yeiue+ o+ +uipui uu
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npuo nuu+epi, s+o ue oneui ncuo pn meun u umeuuo s+o suunu+ npucy+-
c+nonu+i n nim-+o cue. H s+o u ec+i upen. Bpu+eu s+o ye ue ouen+.
Muuueu, ecu i ou micu ouen+umu, ou i suuumucn quocoque,
uo ou cuumue+ uuo.
Tuum opusom, mi poui pusunu+i +pu usmepeuun, +pu nupu ne-
me c+poio pusunu+i, no+omy n+o ouu noc+onuuo cmemunum+cn Xo+e-
oci i o s+om noionopu+i H n cenuc uuxoyci +y+, uo +o, o nm n iono-
pm, s+o u mon ypymun puo+u, s+o umeuuo +o, n+o n xo+e i cenuc cpe-
u+i, ecu nopymu+i o s+om, noc+upu+icn nincuu+i nuc+i cmic s+oio:
ec+i ouen+i ouu usope+um+cn umeuuo n quocoquu; ec+i +o, n+o mo-
uo uusnu+i nepen+umu, u ouu uuxopn+cn n ouc+u ucycc+nu. H+o e +u-
oe nepen+i? B pymum, n+o xypouu cospu+ nepen+i. Honemy e uc-
noisye+cn c+puuuoe cono nepen+ nmec+o nepenuu? Hmeuuo no+o-
my, n+o nepen+i s+o ue nepenuu H+o e xone+ u+epu+op, nucu+ei,
pomuuuc+? B pymum, n+o ou xone+ i+i cnocouim ouc+pyuponu+i conoyn-
uoc+i nepenu u omymeuu, o+opie nepeuny+ +ex, +o ux ucni+inue+.
H s+o nnne+cn nepen+om: conoynuoc+i nepenu u omymeuu, o+opie
nepeuny+ +ex, +o ux ucni+inue+.
B nipu uecoio npumepon u+u+i us Toc+oio, o+opi onuci-
nue+, u xypouuy couo c s+um cnpunu+icn, uu, n ppyiom c+ue, u
Hexon, oipu ou onucinue+ upy n c+enu. Tuum opusom, ec+i eun co-
uun ce+i omymeuu, nusyuiuix omymeuu, cyxonix, usux nyconim
omymeuunm, n+o-+o, n+o nonupue+ n po+, u +omy nopouoe
H n+o no+om? Xopomo, noc+upucn npupu+i s+o couo ce+u omyme-
uu pupuuiuym uesunucumoc+i o+ neoneu, o+opi ux ucni+inue+:
Toc+o +u onucinu u+mocqepy; uouepy, ecu opu+u+icn neuum
nucu+enm, n cumix sumenu+eiuix o+pinux s+o ypu+cn Ec+i opuu nucu-
+ei, o+opi non+u ypoc+onepu s+o, n eio oneui mm, ou oneui usnec+eu
no upuuuu 0+o neuu umepuuucu uoneuc+ Tomuc Byiq, o+opi
nume+ n uoneux: +o-+o nime y+pom, npoxuy cneeio nospyxu, npo-
meiuy uo-+o upomu+, cuem, nopupeuuoio +oc+u coui om-
nec omymeuu n+uu e+u+ no uey0+o couun ce+i omymeuu.
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H+o e npoucxopu+, oipu ue+o ucni+inue+ cnom cmep+i uu c uum
npoucxopu+ n+o-+o ppyioe? Hem c+uuonu+cn ce+i omymeuu? 0+o copee +o+
nonpoc, o+opi c+unu+ ucycc+no, u ouo e npepnouiue+ o+ne+u+i uu ueio.
0+o osuunue+ punu+i pu+eiuoc+i uu nenuoc+i couomy omnecy omy-
meuu, o+opi oime ue nouumue+cn u uen+o, n+o io em-+o ucni-
+uuo uu ipuui, o+opun moe+ i+i nosuuuu u uen+o, n+o ucni+inue+
nepcouu pomuuu, n+o ucni+uuo nimimeuuim nepcouuem. H umeuuo s+o
nopopue+ xypoec+neuuym u+epu+ypy.
A n+o e peue+ xypouu? [u, ou peue+ ue +oio s+o, uo xypouu
npupu+ uenpo+unopenunoc+i nepen+um ou o+pupue+ nepen+i o+ nep-
enuu. Ec+i nicusinuuue Cesuuuu, cumoe nouu+eiuoe pn meun ou io-
nopu+, n+o umnpeccuouusm
<3.7=5
Xypouu ue peue+ uuneio ppyioio K+o-+o moe+ cusu+i, n+o um-
npeccuouuc+i mucumuiuo ucusuu nepenum. Synuiuo, quocoq-
cu ouen+ ueo+opim opusom pucuinue+ num nepen, +u u s+u npu-
ninu mimeuun ucom+uo uonu [n mpe npepe io uenpuninuo
micu+i +uum opusom, nos+omy s+o pucuinue+ nepen, +u e u nepen+
cpynunue+ uumu uepni To ec+i Mi moem cusu+i, n+o umnpeccuouu-
c+i usopeu nepen+.
Bepumcn npepucuo u+u+e Cesuuuu ou ionopu+ n+o-+o npope:
Mi poui cpeu+i umnpeccuouusm poionenuim, +o ec+i, eio nou
ue+ Mo+un em ue poc+ui uesunucumoc+u. Ecu nonpoc n +om, n+oi ou oc-
+ucn uupoio, uyui uonie me+opi, n+oi cpeu+i eio poionenuim He-
eio cpeu+i +u, n+oi uuuynmum opusom coxpuuu+i uen+o n up+uue.
Ou umee+ n nupy, n+o nepen+ poeu poc+uiu+i pue em ime un+ouo-
muu, poui i+i puspuo+uui uonie +exuuu, npumiu +u puee.
H ec+i +pe+ie muoec+no neme, o+opoe, uu mo nsinp, peno cnnsu-
uo c ppyiumu. Mi poui ux uusnu+i uqqe+umu. Kouenuo, ue+ nepen-
+on es uqqe+on, uo uqqe+i s+o ue +o B ni+ucn onpepeu+i nepen+
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u conoynuoc+i nepenu u omymeuu, o+opie c+uuonn+cn uesunucu-
mimu o+ neoneu, o+opi ux nepeu. [n meun uqqe+i nnnm+cn c+u-
uoneuunmu c+uuoneuunmu, o+opie nepenounm+ upymeio cnosi uux u
npenimummux cuy +oio, +o up+ cnosi uux s+o u ec+i uqqe+.
B xo+e cusu+i He ype+ u mysiu em cuiuee cospunu+i uqqe+i?
He nep+ u uuc mysiu +uum cuum pec+nun, o+opie npenimum+ uuc?
Bosmouo, uo, n mom cynue, n umem n nupy +oio +o, n+o s+u +pu nemu
cnnsuui. Ecu ni nosim+e quocoqcu ouen+, npoc+o, peo copee su-
mnue+cn n +om, u pucc+unu+i ueu+i Ecu nsn+i quocoqcu ou-
en+ s+o epuuc+neuuun nemi, o+opun cyu+ pn +oio, n+oi nupe+i ne-
mu. Hecmo+pn uu s+o, quocoqi umem+ s+o+ nusuouepcu ucne+, xo+n
i +e quocoqi, o+opimu n nocxumumci: Cnuuosu nomoiue+ ynupe+i,
nepi ou opuu us cumix nusuouepcux quocoqon. Hume +oe peue+ +u,
n+o mi npospenuem nemu. Ouu n +om nuce puccinum+ u nce quu+uc+une-
cue uqqe+i +uue, o+opie pec+nu+eiuo uyuo ocypu+i, s+o c+uuo-
nu+cn cumoonenupuim, n+o n ux quocoqunx ec+i mysiu.
H uuoopo+, ecnoesuo pousinu+i, n+o mysiu nosnone+ uum nu-
pe+i oneui c+puuuie nemu uuoipu pue ne+ mysiu nosnone+ uum
ynupe+i ne+, o+opie ue cymec+nym+ nuy+pu uu nonue mysiu, u +ue
ynupe+i u nepen+i. 0+o nc oneui cnnsuuo.
B men+um o ueo upynuu s+ux usmepeuu, nepexope ppyi n ppyiu
quocoqcux ouen+on, usopusu+eiuix nepen+on u mysiuiuix uq-
qe+on. He+ uuneio ypunu+eiuoio n ux pesouuucuom cymec+nonuuuu, no+o-
my n+o, uecmo+pn uu ux uesunucumoe cymec+nonuuue, o+opoe nnne+cn pe-
syi+u+om +pypu conepmeuuo pusunuix mpe, ouu uuoipu ue npepumu-
m+ nsuumonpouuu+i[u
Knep Hupne: Tuum opusom, upeu xypouuon u quocoqon, no-
coiy y uux ec+i upeu, o+opie nnnm+cn upenmu nepenuu, noopu-
euun, pusymu Honemy Ti upuo, mouo nocmo+pe+i quim uu npo-
nec+i uuiy, n o+opix noome ue+ upeu, uo +ee s+o cynuo u noome ue uu-
+epecye+. H s+o ucom+uo ue npepc+unne+ pn +en uuuoio uu+epecu, o-
ipu +i cmo+pumi uu n+o-+o, n+o pouo i+i cmemuim, uu nu+uemi n+o-
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+o, n+o moe+ i+i suuumu+eiuim, ecu upen o+cy+c+nye+?.. Ecu ue+
upe
HnnL ena: To, u n +oio n+o onpepeu upem, n c +pypom nu-
y, u +uoe io i nosmouo. Ecu mue nousu+i up+uuy, n o+opo ue+
nepen+on, ipe usopueuu oee-meuee peuuc+unuun oponu, uo n opone
ue+ nepen+on, uu ouu ue iu nopun+i po coc+onuun nepen+u, ciipu+i
mue mysiy, n o+opo ue io i uqqe+u B ue nouumum, n+o s+o uu cu-
mom pee moe+ osuunu+i. Ecu +i nouemi mue quim, upuo, xopomo
Ecu +i o+poemi mue upuo+cym quocoqcym uuy B ue nouumum,
uoe yponoic+nue n noyny o+ s+oio, ecu ue puue oesueuuoe yponoi-
c+nue.
Knep Hupne: 0+o moe+ i+i ue iynun quocoqcun uuiu, s+o mo-
e+ i+i npoc+o mmopuc+unecun uuiu
HnnL ena: [u, mmopuc+unecun uuiu moe+ i+i uunoueuu upen-
mu He suum, s+o sunucu+ o+ +oio, n+o +i uusinuemi mmopuc+unecum. Hu-
n+o +u ue suc+unno meun cmen+icn oime, nem See+ u Kuqu, n oneui
nync+nu+eeu mmopy u uuxoy ux pec+nu+eiuo puue cmemuimu B
meuime mm omuon us +eenusopu, s+o npunpu
Knep Hupne: Kpome Seuuu Xuu, y o+opoio +onuo ec+i upen
HnnL ena: Kpome Seuuu Xuu, ecu y ueio ec+i upen [u Hu cu-
mom pee n s+o ouc+u y neuoio umepuuucoio omuu muoio upe.
Knep Hupne: Cynuoci u oipu-uuypi oounu+eiuo pemu+i cumi
unui nonpoc oipu cupumi su nucimeuuim c+oom, ue umen uuuoio
npepc+uneuun, n+o +i cenuc ypemi peu+i, umeuuo no+ +u, oipu o+cy+-
c+nym+ mie upeu? Ku s+o puo+ue+?
HnnL ena: Kouenuo, ecu y meun ue+ upe, n ue cuyci nucu+i. Ho
co muo cynue+cn, n+o uuoipu upen uepoc+u+onuo pusnpuy+u, upen yxopu+
o+ meun, ouu ucnesue+, noynum+cn pipu. Y meun ec+i nopoui mynu+ei-
ui oni+, u s+o ue npoxopu+ cumo coo. Ecu upeu ue io+oni, +o-+o po-
eu cospunu+i ux Yucui momeu+, oipu cynue+cn +u, n+o ouu ynui-
uo ucnupnm+cn, u mpu ue nync+nym+ cen cnocouimu [ux cospu+i] O, pu
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Knep Hupne: 0+o nipueuue uu upen cospum+ pipy, uexnu+y?.. Hu
u +o, u ppyioe?
HnnL ena: Henosmouo pusunu+i: ec+i u y meun upen, o+opym n
npoc+o uecnocoeu nipusu+i, uu y meun ue+ upeu? Mue ue+cn, s+o no
muoiom opuo u +o e: ecu n ue moiy e nipusu+i, +o y meun ue+ upeu uu e
nuc+i o+cy+c+nye+ nuc+i upeu, nocoiy upeu ue npuxopn+ u nouoc+im
sunepmuui o, ec+i nemu, o+opie npuxopn+ o+cmpu, o++ypu. Hpeu
npuxopn+ c pusuix iopusou+on. H, ecu y nuc ue xnu+ue+ yconu, +o upen ue-
npuiopuu.
J uuu n Joie (Puoc1L)
Knep Hupne: H+u, J s+o Pupoc+i (Joie).
0+o ouen+, o+opomy +i, n nuc+uoc+u, npuxopumi, no+omy n+o s+o
noun+ue nc+penue+cn y Cnuuosi ou cpeu us pupoc+u [laetitia] ouen+
conpo+uneuun u usuu: punu+e useiu+i ipyc+uix c+puc+e, punu+e u+i
c pupoc+im, n+oi mucumuiuo ucnoisonu+i uumy cuy pec+nun Tuum
opusom, mi poui yeiu+i o+ cmupeuun, uepopoconec+uoc+u, nuui, ncex
ipyc+uix uqqe+on, scnyu+upymmuxcn cnnmeuuuumu, cypinmu u ncuxo-
uuuu+uumu. Mi cmoem ynupe+i, nonemy uum ype+ pupoc+uo o+ s+oio.
Bo-nepnix, n xo+eu i, n+oi +i yusu, n nm pusunue mepy pupo-
c+im u nenuim, u pn Cnuuosi, +u u pn +en.
Bo-n+opix, puspenemi u +i nouoc+im onpepeeuue Cnuuosi? H+o
o+pioci +ee, oipu +i nponu+u o s+om?
HnnL ena: [u, nocoiy eio +ec+i n oneui oimo c+eneuu uu-
ipyeui uqqe+umu pu, y Cnuuosi +ec+i c uqqe+umu. 0+o npunopu+
+omy, n+o ecu oneui ynpomu+i s+o npunopu+ +omy, n+o pupoc+im nnn-
e+cn nc, n+o copepu+ omymeuue cui pec+nun Ti omymuemi pupoc+i,
oipu +i ocymec+nnemi pec+nue, u sumenuemi uen+o, n+o c+uo pesyi+u-
+om +noe cui pec+nun.
H+o e s+o +uoe? [unu nepumcn npepipymum npumepum. B epy,
u i uesuunu+eeu ou ue i, ueoimo ycone pucu. B uemuoio
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puime npouuum n ne+. B pymum, n+o s+o moio i i+i pupoc+im. 0+o
ocymec+neuue cui pec+nun, nouumuuue, n+o ouu c+uu npunuuo, n+o
ouu ocymec+nuuci. Ho pec+neuuun cuu nnne+cn pnycmiceuuo.
A n+o e cusu+i o opu+uom o nenuu? Ouu npoucxopu+, oipu ue+o
o+peu o+ cui pec+nun +u s+o uu ue+, uo n n ue nepm, nepm, n+o no
mue ec+i s+u cuu. B moiy s+o cpeu+i, uo oc+on+eic+nu ue nosnonm+ uu
e s+o sunpemeuo u +u puee.
H no+ s+u nenui, mouo cusu+i, n+o ouu s+o pec+nue cui, o+opoe
npoucxopu+ es meun.
<3.7=5
Knep Hupne: Ho cenuc onepepi un ionopu+i, ou ionopu npo o+-
uomeuun, npo onnosuum pupoc+i/nenui.
HnnL ena: B ionopu, n+o nouumuuue cui pec+nun nceipu xopo-
mo, u umeuuo +u ionopu Cnuuosu. Onenupuo, n+o s+o nc cospu+ npoe-
mi, uyuo oime pe+ue, no+omy n+o ue+ noxo cui; noxo +o, y neio
oee uusu yponeui cui pec+nun, u cumi e uusu yponeui s+o
nuc+i. A n+o e +uoe souumepeuuoc+i? 0+o sunpe+, n+oi +o-+o peu +o,
uu n+o ou cnocoeu. 3ouumepeuuo sunpemu+i, n+oi +o-+o noun cnom cu-
y. He+ noxo cui pec+nun, uo +oio sun nuc+i Moe+, mun
nuc+i su no cnoe npupope, uo, nosmouo, s+o ue onsu+eiuo +u nos-
mouo, s+o ynpomeuue. Ho cmemunu+i pec+neuuie cui u nuc+i 0+o
moe+ popoio oo+uci, no+omy n+o nuc+i nceipu o+pene+ mpe, o+opie
e nopnuunm+cn, o+ +oio, n+o ouu cnocoui cpeu+i. Bo+ +u no+
Cnuuosu uunuuu c s+oio, u +i cusuu, n+o nenui cnnsuuu co cnnmeu-
uuumu, +upuuumu
Knep Hupne: Cypinmu
HnnL ena: cypinmu +emu, +o nceipu o+pene+ cye+on o+ +oio,
n+o ouu cnocoui cpeu+i, +o sunpemue+ um nouumu+i ux cuy pec+nun.
H+o npumenu+eiuo, +i puuime cciuuci uu peny+uum Hume u
uu+ucemu+u. 0+o noun+uo, no+omy n+o s+o oneui nuui nonpoc Ec+i +e-
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c+i Hume, o+opie pec+nu+eiuo nosmy+u+eiui, uu o+opie mouo
puccmu+punu+i u nosmy+u+eiuie, ecu nu+u+i ux cnocoom, o+opi n
ynomuuu, oipu ionopu o n+euuu quocoqon ueo+opie nu+um+ ux
cumom ic+po. Meun nopuue+ +o, n+o no ncex +ec+ux, n o+opix [Hu-
me] uupucinue+cn uu enpeen B nm e Hume ynpeue+ enpecu uupop?
H n+o e mpu us s+oio niuocn+? O, pu ou e uu+ucemu+! u +u puee. Op-
uuo, necimu uu+epecuo, su n+o Hume ynpeue+ enpeen. Hume ynpeue+ ux
su necimu cneuqunecue yconun: su +o, n+o ouu usopeu nepcouuu, o-
+opi uuoipu ue cymec+nonu po enpeen nepcouu cnnmeuuuu. Hu-
coio n suum, no ncex cnoux +ec+ux Hume ucucn enpeen n eom +oio
n omem mne pu+uu, uo nceipu u+uonu enpeen u uupop, o+opi
usop cnnmeuuuon. Tem ue meuee, coiucuo emy n ppyiux couuiuix o-
pusonuuunx iu opyui, uuuuu s+o ue +o e cumoe, n+o cnnmeuuu-
u. Enpeu cpeuu s+o ypunu+eiuoe usope+euue, u Hume, nocoiy y
ueio iu ypunu+eiuun quocoqcun cuu, Hume uuoipu ue npepumu
nocxumu+icn +em, n+o ueuunupe Ou ionopu, n+o s+o npoc+o uenepon+uoe
usope+euue: usopec+u cnnmeuuuu s+o uen+o nopusu+eiuoe. H pesyi-
+u+ s+oio uenocpepc+neuuoe coepuueuue uypeen u xpuc+uuu, uo c pusuimu
+unumu cnnmeuuuon. Xpuc+uuue noynu+ uoni +un cnnmeuuuon u npo-
pou+ up+u +em e ny+m c nepcouuem cnnmeuuuu.
0+o nousinue+ +o usmepeuue, n o+opom quocoqun oupe+uu. B
umem n nupy, n+o xo+e cusu+i: uucoio mue usnec+uo, Hume i nep-
nim quocoqom, o+opi usop, cospu ouen+ cnnmeuuuu, u c s+o
+onu speuun nousu qyupumeu+uiuym npoemy: B nm sumnue+cn
nuc+i cnnmeuuuu? B nm pusunue mepy nuc+im cnnmeuuuu u nuc+im
opon? 0+o+ nonpoc oc+u+cn u+yuiuim. Hunpumep, uyo uesupoio po
cmep+u nouoc+im pucpi eio cnoumu coc+neuuimu cpepc+numu +y+ mi
moem uunu+i c cumoio uunuu pucyccum o +om, n+o osuunue+ npopoeuue
n o+uomeuuu quocoquu, n+o osuunue+ suuumu+icn quocoque? uyo
npepou nu+epuuuc+cym nuc+i s+o oee uoni ouen+, nem y
Hume, uo cnnsuuui c Hume u +uum opusom pusnunue+cn uc+opun
mimeuun. Tuum opusom, n+o +uoe nuc+i cnnmeuuuon, u uum opu-
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som ouu cnnsuuu c nenuim? Coiucuo Hume, cnnmeuuu poeu i+i on-
pepeu u +uono: ou usope+ue+ upem, n+o neone cymec+nye+ n coc+on-
uuu ecouenuoio poiu. Bce uuxopn+cn n ueonu+uom poiy. H puuime i-
u uc+opuu o poie, s+o omeusnec+uo, uo Hume onepepu s+uooion, u um
uenoxo io i nonu+u+i Hume. Koipu s+uooiu o+piu noce Hume,
n+o n npumu+unuix omec+nux iu poionie omeui u nceipu n ux ocuone
euu ue up+epi, u mouo io i nouiu+i, u nemu qyuuouuponu-
u u nuc+i poiu nemn, y o+opoio i poi no o+uomeuum ppyiomy
nemeuu. 0+o iu ou ouenuoio poiu ouu noynuu u o+punuu. O+-
unue o+ up+epu n +om, n+o cymec+nonuo npemn, peuiuoc+i npemeuu 0+o
osuunuo nosnpumeuue. 0+o nuuo, no+omy n+o poi i nepnuneu n o+uo-
meuunx omeuu.
0+o iu nuc+o quocoqcue npoemi omeu, poi, poi, u uen+o,
n+o nepnunuo no o+uomeuum omeuy s+o neuu quocoqcu ou-
en+. B ionopm quocoqcu, no+omy n+o Hume ionopu o um supoio
po s+uooion. Opuuo +u u poi cymec+nonu n ouenuom peume, neo-
ne moi o+ ueio ocnoopu+icn. Koipu uypecue cnnmeuuuu opu+uuci
s+o upee n cuy uinucu ecouenuoio poiu mepy enpecum uupopom u
ux Soiom, oipu xpuc+uuue npuunu e n ppyio qopme upen ecouenuoio
poiu iu cnnsuuu c nepnopopuim ipexom. 0+o npuneo nonneuum uu+e-
pecuoio nepcouuu cnnmeuuuu, u o+ne+c+neuuoc+i no cospuuum eio ou-
en+u euu uu quocoquu. B ue sunnnm, n+o quocoqun ueoxopumo
nnne+cn u+euc+uneco, uo n cynue +uoio un+opu, u Cnuuosu, ye i
nponepeu uuuus cnnmeuuuu, uypecoio cnnmeuuuu n Soioconco-
nou+unecom +pu+u+e. Cynue+cn, n+o quocoqcu ouen+ nnne+cn
uuc+onmum nepcouuem, u s+o peue+ quocoqum c+oi oupe+uo. Cos-
pu+i ouen+ cnnmeuuuu s+o +o e cumoe, oipu xypouu cospu+ up+uuy
co cnnmeuuuom, nop+pe+ cnnmeuuuu. Kouen+ cnnmeuuuu, o+opi uso-
p Cnuuosu, no+om Hume u, uuoue, uyo, coc+unne+ cymec+nymmym
ieueuoium.
B i xo+e, uunpumep, +oe cnnsu+i cen c s+um, uemuoio nopusmim-
n+i o nuc+u [cnnmeuuuon], o o+opo ueo+opie ionopn+, n+o ouu ceio-
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pun uepec+nu+eiuu. Ho mpu poui ynupe+i, u ouu cuonu npuxopn+
nuc+u, uunpumep, o ncuxouuuuse u uonom nonomeuuu nuc+u cnnmeu-
uuon. H u mi onpepenem e? Cnnmeuuuu ue +o e, n+o u +upuui, uei-
sn s+o cmemunu+i xo+n y uux ec+i omun nep+u ouu noynum+ cnom
nuc+i uiopupn yuiuum, o+opoe ouu nuymum+ mpnm, npope: Houcn
no umn ecouenuoio poiu, nepi +i oe+ ueonu+uoio poiu Hos+omy y
uux ec+i nuc+i. B s+om cmice ux nuc+i nceipu oc+u+cn npenn+c+nuem,
oupymmum ocymec+neuue cui pec+nun, +oipu u B xo+e cusu+i,
n+o mun nuc+i nenuiuu, pue ecu moe+ usu+icn, n+o +e, +o e umee+,
uucupum+cn em, uo s+o nenuiuun pupoc+i. Ec+i nenuiuie pupoc+u u
s+o opuu us uux.
C ppyio c+opoui, pupoc+i s+o ocymec+neuue cui pec+nun. B ue
suum +uux cu pec+nun, o+opie iu i souumepeuuimu. Tuqyu s+o
cuu pec+nun, ou poeu noynu+i yponoic+nue n pym, uo ue o++oio,
n+o puspymue+ pomu, u o+ cnoeio cymec+nonuuun Pupoc+i s+o nceipu pu-
poc+i i+i +em, +o +i ec+i, s+o poc+uiu+i +oio, nem +i nnnemicn. Pupoc+i
s+o ue cumomonuuue, ue cumoponoic+no, nonce ue+ s+o ue yponoic+-
nue i+i cnuc+unim cumomy no cee. Yponoic+nue copee n sunoenuuuu,
u cusu Hume, uo sunoenuuue ue coc+ou+ n +om, n+oi peu+i us mpe
puon, sunoenuuue s+o, uunpumep, ocnoeuue ne+u xypouuom, s+o sunoe-
nuuue. 0+o pupoc+i [ue ecu ouo +pypuo pu+cn B uc+opunx o cue pe-
c+nun, oipu +o-+o sunoeninue+ cuy pec+nun, oipu +o-+o sunoeninue+
uen+o cuo pec+nun, cynue+cn, n+o s+o cumom cuiuo pn ueio cumoio,
u s+o nep+ puspymeuum, u n cynue Buu oiu.
91>,?*, 3
Knep Hupne: 3uunu+ +u Heoimo ncnomoiu+eiui nonpoc. Ti
ume cnuc+ie useu+i ueonu+uoio poiu, nonemy e +i uyemicn c y+pu
po nenepu u nnnemicn upnou+om uo u coueuu?
HnnL ena: 0+o unui nonpoc. Hpepe nceio, coueuue [seiun]
s+o opuu us pnyx uc+onuuon nossuu. Opuu us ocuonuix uc+onuuon no-
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ssuu neuun uou. Ho, s+o nuuo Houun uc+opun seiuu pouu
i+i uunucuuu B ue suum, uunucuuu u ouu ye, uo s+o oneui uu+epecuo,
no+omy n+o uou npopou npoponec+no; npopo s+o +o+, +o uye+cn,
+o+, +o ionopu+: Hy nonemy Soi uspu meun? Honemy n i uspuu So-
iom? Hs+o npo+unonoouo cnnmeuuuy.
Heone uye+cn u uye+cn uu +o, n+o c uum npoucxopu+: Ouo cum-
om neuo pn meun +o, uu n+o n uymci. Bo+ uou. Ouo cumom
neuo pn meun +o, n+o co muo npoucxopu+. Ti pouu coiucu+icn,
n+o s+o u ec+i uou 0+o ue +o, n+o mi oinuo nupum. 0+o ue O-o-o,
u mue oiuo, uecmo+pn uu +o, n+o +u moe+ i+i, uo neone, o+opi
uye+cn, ue nceipu suue+, n+o s+o suunu+. Houun pumu, o+opun uye+cn
uu penmu+usm, umee+ n nupy, n+o cuu pec+nun suxnu+uu e uoiy, u ouu
cumom neuu, n+oi e niuec+u. 0+o cumom neuo pn meun.
Ecu opu+u+icn uc+opuu, ype+ oneui uu+epecuo. 0eiun s+o uc-
+onuu nossuu, uo +oio u+uuco nossuu, neuux u+uucux nos+on
Mue poneoci o uux ysuu+i, nponec+i +uux u Ku+y, Tuepu s+o ypu-
nu+eiuie nos+i. Ho n+o e +uoe seiun? B pymum, s+o nipueuue +oio,
+o npemeuuo uu ue+ ue umee+ uuuoio couuiuoio c+u+ycu. Hos+omy
s+o u uu+epecuo Houo neone uye+cn, pu uym+cn ipei uu
iuepux s+o ue nenui nonce, uo uen+o uuoe: s+o cospuuue npocii, ec+i
uen+o ypunu+eiuoe n uoe, s+o uioioneuue n uoe uou non+u
u mou+nu.
A uupopuie uoi K+o-+o poeu nmnu+i nc n ue: uou npo-
pou uu, +i pouu xopomo npepc+unn+i, no+omy n+o muoio c uumu puo-
+uu uoi unoxouppuon. Hnoxouppu s+o +o+, +o uye+cn, u uu-
+eucunuoc+i uo npepucuu. Honemy y meun ec+i neneui? Honemy y meun
cnuu? H uenuuo, uucoio s+o oesueuuo pn meun, uo nuuo, nonemy
s+o npousomo co muo? Honemy y meun ec+i opiuui? Honemy n
uou nosnimeuuu. A uupopuun uou uou yui, uou,
o+opym uunenum+ mpu. To+, +o uuxopu+cn n cu+yuuu uoi, ucmnu
us couymu. Ku+ucu cneuuuc+ He u+ucu, u neuiepcu eio snu-
u [uepeu] Te ou npon ucceponuuue u+uco seiuu u nousu,
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uucoio n nomum, n+o u+ucun seiun ucnoune+cn npepe nceio +em
neoneom, y o+opoio ue+ uuuoio couuiuoio c+u+ycu, +o ec+i ocnoo-
puuim puom. Pu, uucoio uecnuc+eu ou ue i, nc e umee+ couui-
ui c+u+yc. Ou moe+ i+i puue uecnuc+eu, eio moiy+ usunu+i, nc, n+o
xo+u+e, uo ou nc em oupue+ couuiuim c+u+ycom. Ecu eio ocnoopu-
u, uunuuucn nepuop, oipu ue i npepycmo+peu c+u+yc pn ocnoopu-
uoio puu. Ou nue nceio. Ocnoopeuue ueipon n Amepue io nem-+o uu
s+o noxoe, oipu o+meuuu puc+no Hu o+meuu penoc+uunec+nu n Poc-
cuu, oipu ue io npepycmo+peuo c+u+ycu pn ocnoopuuix. Ouu uuxo-
puu cen ucmnuuimu, n+o uu+epnpe+uponuoci iyno: Bo+ nupu+e?
Ouu nepuyuci n coc+onuue puon! Ho y uux ue io c+u+ycu, u no+omy ouu
iu ucmneui us omec+nu. Ho+om nonnuuci neuun uou: A-u-
u-u-u Ho ouu nipuuu ue copi s+ux mpe, u iu nem-+o npope
necuu. 0+u uou c+uu uc+onuuom nossuu.
Ecu i n ue i quocoqom, u i eumuuo n xo+e i i+i nu-
uimue Si+i nuuimue nocxu+u+eiuo, no+omy n+o uou
s+o ucycc+no. H y s+oio ec+i onupuun c+opouu, u ecu cusu+i: He opu-
mu+e nuumuuun uu mom uoy, ue +poiu+e meun. 0+u mpu cumom
neunie Cumom neunieB xo+e i c+uuonu+icn nc oee u oee
neunim, s+o ue +poiu+e meun, n+o-+o npope H uou +o e cumoe:
He coue+e oo mue, n nosuonyci o s+om. H n suo+e o cee uou
+puucqopmupye+cn.
Em pus: Co muo npoucxopu+ +o, n+o cumom neuo pn meun. 0+o
u ec+i uou. B i xo+e ionopu+i upoe y+po: Co muo npoucxopu+ +o,
n+o cumom neuo pn meun, no+omy n+o s+o pupoc+i. Heo+opim opu-
som, s+o pupoc+i n nuc+om nupe, uo mi cpinuem s+o, no+omy n+o ec+i mpu,
o+opie ue oneui pupi nyo pupoc+u, nos+omy mi cpinuem e nop nupom
uoi.
Ho uou s+o ue +oio pupoc+i, s+o u uenepon+uoe noueuue, pec+-
nu+eiuo Houumuuue cui pec+nun, uo uo euo? O+pum u n su s+o
usui? Koipu +o-+o nouumue+ cuy pec+nun B ionopm o +uo npoc+o
nemu u nouumuuue pucu xypouuom, pucye+ u ou cnoe usuim?
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[ec+nu+eiuo, n ue pymum, n+o s+o u+epu+ypuun nipymu, n+o Buu oi
m ne+y s+o cuiuee cnnsuuo c eio esymuem, nem ncuxouuuu+unecue
uc+opuu. B mom cynue +y+ uuunec+nye+ nmemu+eic+no no o+uomeuum
ne+y.
H+o-+o moe+ pusu+icn ouo nime moux cu, u nos+omy n uymci uu
s+o. Ouo cumom neuo pn meun uecnuc+ie uu cnuc+ie, oinuo uecnu-
c+ie, uo s+o nceio umi pe+ui. [u
Knep Hupne: Beuu o+ne+.
K uuu n Kant (Kun1)
Knep Hupne: H+u K s+o Kuu+ (Kant).
HnnL ena: Mmm?..
Knep Hupne: Hx ncex quocoqon, o o+opix +i nucu, Kuu+ uuuoee
pu o+ +noeio coc+neuuoio c+un mimeuun. Tem ue meuee, y un+opon,
o+opim +i opumucn, ec+i uen+o omee. Hy u pn uunuu: ec+i u uen+o
omee y Kuu+u u Cnuuosi, n+o ue concem onenupuo?
HnnL ena: B i npepnon, ecu mouo, o+nenu+i uu nepnym nuc+i
nonpocu: nonemy n opu+ucn Kuu+y, +u u opuupi cusu, n+o ue+ uu-
neio omeio mepy Kuu+om u Cnuuoso, uuneio omeio mepy Hume u
Kuu+om xo+i Hume u muoio usynu Kuu+u, uo s+o pusunuie ouenuu
quocoquu, s+o ue
Ho nonemy e n, +em ue meuee, +u nocxumumci Kuu+om? Ho pnym npu-
nuuum. Kuu+ nnne+cn o+npunuo +ono pn muoioio: ou uunuuue+ u npo-
pnuiue+ uuc+oio, uucoio nosmouo +o, n+o uuoipu ue ucceponuoci n
quocoquu. H ocoeuuo +o, n+o ou niuocu+ cypeuun. Bosmouo, cnoco-
uoc+i cypeuun pusnuuci y ueio nop nunuuem upuuysco penomuu.
[o ceiopunmueio pun mpu ni+um+cn u n n ux nuce ionopu+i o
ouen+ux u o nepcouuux. Ho po Kuu+u, n nocemuupu+om nee, i uo-
ni nup quocoqon nonpomu+ee. Bonpomuuue nonpomuuue o Heo-
nenecom Houumuuuu, nonpomuuue o +om, nonpomuuue o cm. uuocoq nu-
pe cen u nonpomu+en.
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Puuee, n cemuupu+om nee, euu uecomueuuo i nocepuum npep-
c+unu+eem s+o +eupeuuu, +u u nupe cen upnou+om, sumumummum
peo. H cumun nuuun nemi n +om, n+o ou cnu+u cen upnou+om Soiu.
[oui i+i nemu, su o+opie mouo ynpeuy+i Soiu, u euu nume+
nocxu+u+eiuym mueuiym puo+y o pee Soiu pee n mpupunecom
cmice o +om, n+o peo Soiu uypue+cn n sumu+e. Hoceponu+eiuoc+i
nepcouue upnou+, nonpomu+ei u puee Kuu+, npuxop cypy, cypy pu-
symu; o nemux cypn+ u o qyuuu cypu pusymu. H cnocouoc+u n cmice
nouumuuun, noopueuun, suuuun, mopuiuoc+u cnu+um+cn qyuunmu
uu cype pusymu. Kouenuo, ou yno+pene+ me+op, usope+uui um nypec-
ui me+op, o+opi uusinue+cn pu+unecum, coc+neuuo Kuu+oncu
me+op. Tenepi n ponycum, n+o s+o+ ucne+ Kuu+u peue+ us meun yucuoio
uusonoouuuu: s+o opuonpemeuuo u yuc, u nocxumeuue, no+omy n+o ou
npoc+o ieuuueu. Ecu nosnpumu+icn nonpocyKpome ouen+on, o+opie
usop Kuu+ u Soi suue+, u ou ux usop n cnu+um ouen+ cypu pu-
symu ueo+peumim o+ pu+unecoio me+opu. Ho, n u+oie, o nm n ue men+u
i, +u s+o O cype cypeuun, cuc+eme cypeuun. Cuc+emu cypeuun peue+
Soiu ueuyuim cuc+emu cypeuun usupye+cn uu pusyme, u ue uu Soie.
Hucu+eu, o+opie nospec+nym+ uu meun mi em ue puccmo+peu
s+o+ nonpoc, uo moem noionopu+i o s+om cenuc n+o usunu+ uuc o+ ue-
oxopumoc+u nosnpumu+icn.
Knep Hupne: Bonce ue+
HnnL ena: K+o-+o moe+ ypunu+icn, no+omy n+o s+o uen+o +uuuc+-
neuuoe: nonemy +o-+o, n nuc+uoc+u +i u n, cnnsuu uu upeu+uquupye+ cen
c uo-+o opuo ocoeuuo npoemo, u ue c ppyio? B nm nponnne+cn
popc+no neoneu c npoemo? Mue ue+cn, n+o s+o opuu us neunumux
+uu mimeuun.
Heone poeu nocnn+u+i cen opuo npoeme, mi ue ionopum, o-
uenuo, o npoc+o uo-uo npoeme. H pn ucceponu+ee n ouc+u uuy-
u s+o pec+nu+eiuo +u: neone suuomu+cn c uo-+o nuc+uo npoe-
mo, uo ppyiue npoemi ou ue pemue+. A quocoqun s+o conoynuoc+i
npoem. Co cnoe oiuo uo ouu ue npe+eupye+ uu +o, n+oi pemu+i nce
npoemi, cunu Soiy.
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[u, n copee nync+nym cen cnnsuuuim c npoemumu, ei o+opix
nouc cpepc+n pn +oio, n+oi noounu+i c cuc+emo cypeuun u sumeuu+i
e nem-+o ppyium. H +y+ ec+i neuue umeuu. Xo+n s+o pusuie +pupuuu. Ti
iu npunu, oipu ionopuu o +om, n+o +y+ ec+i npo+unonoc+uneuue. Ec+i
Cnuuosu, ec+i Hume, n u+epu+ype oypeuc, u, uuoue, nocepuu u ne-
unumu us nucu+ee Ap+o, eio puo+u Hoounu+i c Soium cypom
pec+nu+eiuo uen+o osuunue+, s+o ue conu cymucmepmeio.
Mi pec+nu+eiuo poui npuun+i s+o ynuiuo: noounu+i c cuc+e-
mo cypeuun. 0+o nc, nce s+u nemu +oio +i H nop s+um ncem u
nceipu n o s+om ionopm +o-+o poeu nocmo+pe+i, n+o uuxopu+cn nop
ouen+umu u npoemumu. A nop uumu ypunu+eiuie npoemi, noc+un-
euuie Kuu+om, ouu, npunpu, nypo. Ou nepnim ninouu ypunu+eiuoe ne-
penopununuuue ouen+on. Hos+omy n +u oiopnumci, oipu mpu, ocoeuuo
moopi, o+opun ynu+cn n uuunpu+e, micu+ quocoqum uc+pu+uo,
pue ue ni+unci xo+n, moe+ i+i s+o uenosmouo nmnu+icn n npo-
emi quu+uc+unecue npoemi, o+opie uumuoio uu+epecuee, nem B
pue +onuo ue suum, n+o.
B moiy cusu+i, n+o po Kuu+u, uunpumep, npemn io npousnopuim o+
pnueuun, ouo io n+opunuim no o+uomeuum pnueuum, ouo puccmu+-
punuoci u nuco pnueuu uu mepu pnueuun. H+o e cpeu Kuu+?
H+o i ou uu cpeu, s+o io cospuuue ouen+u u n +om, n+o n +y+ pe-
um, mi uuoipu ue nepec+um pnuiu+icn no uunpuneuum puccmo+peuun,
n+o suunu+ cospunu+i ouen+. Kuu+ cospu+ ouen+, no+omy n+o ou nepeno-
pununue+ cyoppuuuum. Hoce ueio ye pnueuue sunucu+ o+ npemeuu.
Buesunuo npemn meune+ cnom npupopy: ouo npepumue+ i+i pyionim. Ho-
+omy n+o, oipu npemn nopnuune+cn pnueuum no npunuuum, o+opie
cumom poio oncun+i, n oue ouon, pnueuue s+o nepuopunecoe
pnueuue, s+o nepuopunecoe pnueuue ueecuix +e, +o ec+i pnueuue
nnne+cn pyionim. Hunpo+un, oipu npemn ocnoopue+cn o+ pnueuun, u
ouo sunucu+ o+ npemeuu, +o npemn c+uuonu+cn npnmo uuue. H n nceipu
pymu o +om, n+o cusu Sopxec uecmo+pn uu +o, n+o s+o non+u ue umee+ o+-
uomeuun Kuu+y Sopxec ionopu, n+o c+pumuee, nem pyiono uupuu+,
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moe+ i+i +oio uupuu+ us npnmo uuuu [Cmep+i u yccoi]. 0+o
usymu+eiuo, uo umeuuo Kuu+ ocnoopu npemn.
H ncn s+u uc+opun c cypom, ucceponuuue pou upo cnocouoc+u u
qyuuu pn nuc+uo eu, +o, c nem Kuu+ c+ouycn nop oue cnoe
usuu +u u ou opuu us pepux quocoqon, o+opi nume+ u oneui-
oneui c+upi neone uuiu, o+opun ouonne+ nc Kpu+uu cnoco-
uoc+u cypeuun. Ou npuxopu+ upee, n+o cnocouoc+u poui ume+i ec-
nopnponuie o+uomeuun ppyi c ppyiom: ouu c+uunum+cn ppyi c ppyiom u
coiuconinum+cn opuu c ppyio, uo s+o opiu cnocouoc+e, n o+opo
oime ue+ uuuux c+uupup+on, n o+opo oime ue+ cye+u cypu. Ou
nnopu+ cnom ouenum nosnimeuuoio, n o+opo cnocouoc+u nxopn+ n
puccouuuc, puccouupymmee cosnynue.
0+o ecouenuo meun pupye+: puccouupymmee cosnynue, uupuu+, n o-
+opom +oio npnmun uuun, eio nepenopununuuue o+uomeuu B umem n
nupy, n+o ncn conpemeuuun quocoqun ucxopu+ us s+oio nooeuun: +enepi
ue npemn sunucu+ o+ pnueuun, uo pnueuue sunucu+ o+ npemeuu s+o quu-
+uc+unecoe cospuuue ouen+on. H s+u ouenun nosnimeuuoio, ipe ec+i
puccouupymmee cosnynue cnocouoc+e B i oneui no+pnceu s+um. H+o
mouo cusu+i? Onenupuo, n+o ou neuu quocoq, neunumu quo-
coq, u n eio puo+ux muoio uuuux con, n+o npoypue+ no mue su+ysu-
usm. H n ponepmeuue nceio s+oio io noc+poeuo +o, n+o ue npepc+unne+
pn meun uu+epecu, uo n ue ocypum s+o s+o nceio umi cuc+emu cype-
uun, c o+opo n xo+e i noounu+i, ue ocypun e.
Knep Hupne: O usuu Kuu+u
HnnL ena: O, usui Kuu+u
Knep Hupne: 0+o io sunuuuponuuo ocypu+i n uume pucyccuu.
HnnL ena: [u s+o io
+,>8638, 3
Knep Hupne: Ec+i ppyio ucne+, o+opi moe+ +ee noupunu+icn n
Kuu+e ucne+, usyneuui Tomucom [e Kyuucu: quu+uc+unecun usui, pe-
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iyupyemun npunino, eepuenuun npoiyu, usui quocoqu, o+opym
moiy+ npepc+unn+i nem-+o muqunecum, uen+o oneui ocoeuuoe. H +o-+o
pymue+, oipu pusmimne+ o +ee, n+o s+o uen+o poc+u+onuo ypeiyuponuu-
uoe muoec+nom npunine, puonux npunine
HnnL ena: B nouumum, n+o +i umeemi n nupy, +u u +ec+ [e Ky-
uucu mi c +oo u pus uuxopum nocxu+u+eiuim npousnepeuuem ucycc+-
nu. Ho n nouumum, n+o s+o+ ucne+ ec+i y ncex quocoqon. Y uux ueopuuuo-
nie npuninu, uo, nec+uo ionopn, ouu cymec+nu npuninu, o+opie yne-
pnm+ uuc, n+o ue suum+ 0+o onsu+eiuo onsu+eiuo, n+o ouu cymec+nu
npuninu.
Ku Cnuuosu Y meun ec+i nnenu+euue, n+o Cnuuosu ue oneui nuc+o
ypunncn n usuu, eio usui Ou muqonu uusi u npepc+unn, n+o
nceipu ype+ muqonu+i s+u uusi, ou npuuumu noce+u+ee
Knep Hupne: 3upuu+inu uu usui noupono uus
HnnL ena: 0+o iu ue oneui ypuun usui, ecu ue cnu+u+i nou-
+unecoio nepenopo+u n +o npemn, uo Kuu+ +oe u no npemn, oiu+oe uu
nou+unecue nepenopo+i.
Ho ec+i mpu, ionopnmue o +om, u Kuu+ openucn, n+o ou usop pn
cen cuc+emy, n+oi ymeuimu+i puneuue [uu up+epuu] m+uuon po oeu u
nyo n+o peue+ eio necimu onuponu+eiuim, ecu +o-+o uypue+cn n +u-
ux nemux. Ho nce quocoqi u o s+om ionopu u Hume quocoqi n
eom eomyppeuui, epui, u ou e pounne+: mi +oio poiupinuemcn,
u quocoqi noisym+cn s+um ncem s+um eomyppuem, u ouu ucnoi-
sym+ s+y epuoc+i u +u puee.
Kuu+ conepmu eepuenuym npoiyy, uo s+o ue suunu+ uuneio cumo no
cee. H+o npoucxopuo no npemn s+o ueoimo npoiyu? Hu n+o ou cmo+-
pe? K+o-+o poeu ysuu+i s+o. B ouenuom cn+e +o, n+o quocoqi cyme-
c+nu npuninu B pymum, n+o s+o npuninu cosepuuun, s+o cosepuuue
neio-+o. Hpuninu n nepnunuom cmice s+oio conu osuunuu cosepu-
uue. H+o ou cosepu n cnoux npoiyux? He suum
Mou npuninu, uy, s+o ueypouo upuo, xopomo, y meun ec+i ue-
coio 0+o pusuonupuoc+u cosepuuun. B nxoy n cosepuuue Huoipu
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s+o npoucxopu+, oipu n cmo+pm uu n+o-+o n opuuonec+ne [u Hy, pu n+o
s+o su npuninu?..

L uuu n Litterature (An1epu1ypu)
Knep Hupne: 3uunu+, s+o u+epu+ypu.
HnnL ena: ? Mi nepexopum ?
Knep Hupne: Ye!
HnnL ena: [u?
Knep Hupne: u+epu+ypu noc+onuuo npucy+c+nye+ n +noux quocoq-
cux uuiux u usuu. Ti nponu+u muoec+no uui u nepenu+inuemi ux
uuiu, o+opie npunucnm+ +u uusinuemo neuo u+epu+ype.
Ti nceipu cnu+u neuux nucu+ee micu+enmu. Mepy uuiumu o
Kuu+e u Hume +i uunucu Hpyc+ u suuu s+o suumeuu+un uuiu, uo +i
nnocepc+nuu npopou [puccmu+punu+i u+epu+ypy] imuc Ksppo u
3on puccmo+peui n oiue cmicu; Musox, Kuqu, pu+uucun u umepu-
uucun u+epu+ypu u uuoipu ue+cn, n+o umeuuo nocpepc+nom u+epu+y-
pi, u ue uc+opuu quocoquu, +i pumi usui uonomy +uny mimeuun. Tu
no+, pn uunuu n xo+eu i ysuu+i, nceipu u +i +u muoio nu+u?
HnnL ena: [u, pu. Kuoe-+o npemn n nu+u oime quocoqcux
uui s+o io nuc+im moeio pemecu, moeio yneuunec+nu, u y meun ue i-
o npemeuu uu pomuui. Ho neuue pomuui ux n nponu+u muoec+no uu
npo+neuuu usuu, u nu+um ux nc oime. 3uunu+ u, n+o s+o noesuo pn
quocoquu? [u, onpepeuuo, mue s+o ue+cn noesuim. Hunpumep, n
muoium onsuu uupepuipy, u, uecmo+pn uu +o, n+o ou ue cumom quo-
coqcu nucu+ei, n emy ueoiuoneuuo onsuu. Tue n muoium onsuu
uouepy un oio-+o suiuy, upuo.
Ho, pusymee+cn, n coo+ne+c+nuu c +em, n+o mi ocypuu puuime, no-
+omy n+o mi ye poc+u+onuo npopnuuyuci, u n ynepeu, n+o +i ue ynyc+uu
s+oio nc peo n +om, n+o ouen+ uuoipu ue inue+ cum no cee. B +o e
npemn, u uum ouen+ ninoune+ cnom supuny, ou suc+unne+ uuc nupe+i
n+o-+o, +o ec+i ou cnnsuu c nepen+umu, u no+ nuesunuo s+u nepen+i ouu-
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pyunum+cn n pomuue. Cymec+nye+ nenuun ommyuuuun ouen+on u nep-
en+on.
Soee +oio, ec+i em npoemi c+un, omue pn quocoquu u u+epu-
+ypi. Beuue u+epu+ypuie nepcouuu punu cqopmyupyem s+o npome
neuue u+epu+ypuie nepcouuu nceipu nnnm+cn neuumu micu+e-
nmu. B nuc+o nepenu+inum Menuu, u cumo coo pusymee+cn, n+o unu-
+uu Axun neuu micu+ei, u, ouenuo e, Sup+u micu+ei, oco-
i, uuo +un micu+en, uo nc e micu+ei. B mom cynue, ouu su-
c+unnm+ uuc pymu+i, n+o u+epu+ypuoe npousnepeuue oc+unne+ n+u
cep +onenuix ouen+on +onuo +u e, u u nepen+on. Honpoc+y iono-
pn, s+o ue nnne+cn supune nucu+en, o+opi ue moe+ peu+i nc cpusy
ou cnnsuu c npoemumu nepen+on, cospuuun npeuu, nisinuuun usuu
nocnpun+un u cospuuun nepcouue.
Ti npepc+unnemi cee, n+o suunu+ cospu+i nepcouuu? 0+o n+o-+o ny-
iummee. A quocoq cospu+ ouen+i, xopomo, uo cynue+cn, n+o ouu u-
+unuo nsuumopec+nym+, pus y, n onpepeuuom cmice, ouen+ s+o
nepcouu, u nepcouu npuope+ue+ usmepeuun ouen+u, u mue ue+cn.
3uuemi, n+o mue ue+cn omum? Omee +o, n+o y s+ux pnyx pen+eiuoc+e
y neuo u+epu+ypi u neuo quocoquu n+o ouu nnnm+cn cnupe-
+enmu usuu, +o, n+o n uusinu cuo pec+nun, ouu cnupe+eic+nym+ n
noisy usuu.
Hos+omy y [neuux un+opon] pepo inue+ penoe spoponie su pepu-
mu ucmneuunmu Ec+i, uunpumep, Bu+op mio He c+ou+ ionopu+i, n+o
ncem nucu+enm ue nes+ co spoponiem, s+o nepi ue +u. Ho nonemy y muoiux
nucu+ee cuoe spoponie? Ho+omy n+o ouu ucni+inum+ uu cee nouo+y
usuu, no+ nonemy. B onpepeuuo c+eneuu, up+ u peni o cuom spopo-
nie Cnuuosi uu o cuom spoponie oypeucu, n nm e peo? 0+o non+u co-
o+ne+c+nye+ +omy, n+o n puuime ionopu o uoe: s+u nucu+eu ynupeu
n+o-+o, n+o nepenoune+ ux, ouu nponupi, nusuouepi. Ouu ynupeu ue-
n+o, n+o io cumom pn uux. Ouu ue moiy+ cnpunu+icn c s+um, u ouo ux
puspymue+. Honemy Hexon uuc+oio comeu? Ou ynupe n+o-+o.
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uuocoqi u nucu+eu n opuuuono cu+yuuu. Ec+i uen+o, n+o uum ypu-
+cn ynupe+i, n+o, uuoipu n ynuiuom cmice, mi ue moem npeopoe+i.
0+o sunuc+ym cynue+cn c un+opumu, uo n ocuonuom, s+o umeuuo nepen+i uu
ipuuu niuocumoio uu ouen+i uu ipuuu micumoio. Mepy cospuuuem
neuoio nepcouuu u cospuuuem ouen+u +u muoio cnnse, n+o mouo
npepc+unu+i ux cee u nuc+i opuoio npepnpun+un.
Knep Hupne: Ti cnu+uemi cen nucu+eem o+ quocoquu, n cmice
nopouo nucu+em o+ xypoec+neuuo u+epu+ypi?
HnnL ena: B ue suum, nnnmci u n nucu+eem o+ quocoquu, uo
suum, n+o upi neuu quocoq neuu nucu+ei.
Knep Hupne: He+ u ipyc+u no cospuuum neuoio pomuuu, ecu +o-
+o neuu quocoq? B umem n nupy +en
HnnL ena: He+, +uoio ue inue+ concem, s+o u ecu i +i cnpo-
cuu y xypouuu, nonemy ou ue nume+ mysiy. Mouo npepc+unu+i cee
quocoqu, o+opi nucu i u pomuui, nonemy i u ue+? B ue cnu+um, n+o
Cup+p i pomuuuc+om, xo+i ou u ni+ucn um i+i. Ec+i u neuue quo-
coqi, o+opie iu i suunu+eiuimu pomuuuc+umu? He+, nouy. B ue
moiy +uux npunomuu+i.
C ppyio c+opoui, quocoqi cospunuu nepcouue, +uoe cynuoci
Hu+ou, ouenuo e, cospunu nepcouue. Hume cospunu nepcouue
npepe nceio 3upu+yc+py. 0+o nepeceneuun, o+opie noc+onuuo ocypum+-
cn, u n cnu+um cospuuue 3upu+yc+pi ueoiuoneuuim ycnexom n nos+une-
com u u+epu+ypuom cmice, +u e, u u nepcouue Hu+ouu. B +uux
cynunx +neo pusunu+i ouen+i u nepcouue, u, uunepuoe, s+o cumie
npepucuie momeu+i.
<3.7=5
Knep Hupne: A +non moni n+opoc+eneuuim nucu+enm, +uum u
Buie pe ui-Apuu uu Pe+uq pe u Spe+ouu +i nceipu nu+u uum +u-
oe npuc+puc+ue?
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HnnL ena: Mue ue+cn c+puuuim cimu+i, n+o Buie pe ui-
Apuuu uusnuu n+opoc+eneuuim un+opom. Ecu nopusmicu+i uup s+um
Ho ec+i speci n+o-+o no-uuc+onmemy noc+ipuoe, puue noc+ipuoe: o-
ipu n i moop, mue upunuuci upen nponu+u+i nce puo+i un+opu. Ku
cepc+nue, n i pucnooeu ue n+opoc+eneuuim un+opum, xo+n u +uoe
nuc+o inuo, u un+opum, uunucunmum muo. Heo+opie nemu iu
cumom neuu pn meun, u Bu+op mio, ou i uuc+oio pu o+
meun, n+o n i io+on cusu+i, n+o mio ue i +uum y xopomum nucu+e-
em.
C ppyio c+opoui, n +o npemn n suu npousnepeuun Hon-yu Kypie
non+u uuusyc+i, euom u nouoc+im, xo+n ou ue uunucu uuneio cymec+-
neuuoio. Tu n+o, pu, y meun iu couuoc+i n+opoc+eneuuim nucu+enm,
xo+n Buie pe ui-Apuu u ue n+opoc+eneuui nucu+ei.
Knep Hupne: Boome-+o, ou neuu un+op, uo n+opoc+eneuui n cno
npemn no o+uomeuum
HnnL ena: yep! [oseq] yep i em opuum un+opom, o+o-
poio n suu nouoc+im, em u no+omy n+o u s+o oneui noc+ipuun npunuuu
n npuope+u onpepeuui npec+u, suun un+opon, o+opie iu ueus-
nec+ui uu epnu usnec+ui. 0+o nc io cnoeio popu muuue, u mue no+pe-
onuoci muoio npemeuu, n+oi noun+i, uucoio neu mio, u n+o om
eio npousnepeuu ue moi i+i pu+epuem s+oio nouumuuun. Bepuo, n+o no
n+opoc+eneuuix u+epu+opux 0+o npunpu, n+o +u uusinuemie n+opoc+e-
neuuie nucu+eu B pycco u+epu+ype, uunpumep, ue nc cnopu+cn [oc-
+oencomy u Toc+omy, u pue u pymu+i ueisn uusnu+i econu n+opopus-
pnpuim, nocoiy n um +u muoio usymu+eiuoio. Tu n+o, ouu nc e ne-
uue ieuuu.
B nouumum, n+o mue ueneio cusu+i uu s+y +emy, uo n mom cynue nc
ye n npomom s+o+ nouc n+opoc+eneuuix nucu+ee. Ho n cnuc+un, o-
ipu nc+penum y ueusnec+uoio un+opu n+o-+o, n+o ue+cn ueoiuoneuuim
ouen+om uu nepcouuem. [u [u, n ue suuumucn cuc+emu+unecumu uc-
ceponuuunmu [n s+o cqepe].
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Knep Hupne: Ho, su ucmneuuem +noe uuiu o Hpyc+e, oimo
uuiu o opuom un+ope, u+epu+ypu npucy+c+nye+ n +noe quocoquu +uum
opusom, n+o mouo cusu+i, n+o ouu cyu+ n unec+ne oeuu npume-
pon. Ho +i +u u ue nocnn+u eo uuiu u+epu+ype, uuiu pusmimeuu
o u+epu+ype.
HnnL ena: Y meun npoc+o ue io npemeuu, uo n coupumci e uu-
nucu+i.
Knep Hupne: B suum, n+o s+u upen nceipu npeceponuu +en.
HnnL ena: B coupumci cpeu+i s+o, no+omy n+o mue xone+cn.
Knep Hupne: Kuuiy u+epu+ypuo pu+uu?
HnnL ena: Kpu+uu Hy, nouy Kuuiy o +om, n+o pn meun
suunu+ nucimo n u+epu+ype. Tee usnec+uu ncn mon ucceponu+eicun
npoipummu, +u n+o nocmo+pum, ype+ u y meun npemn.
Knep Hupne: [u H n xo+eu i supu+i sumnu+eiui nonpoc: +i
nu+uemi u nepenu+inuemi uccunecux un+opon, uo cospu+cn nnenu+e-
uue, n+o +i pepo nu+uemi conpemeuuix un+opon uu n+o +ee ue cumom
upunu+cn o+pinu+i conpemeuuym u+epu+ypy, +o ec+i, n+o +i copee ni-
pu i neuoio [uuouunecoio] nucu+en uu nepenu+u i eio, nem no-
suuomucn c uonimu nyuuunmu, c nem yiopuo, n+o conpemeuuo.
HnnL ena: He +o, n+oi mue ue upunuoci B nouumum, n+o +i
umeemi n nupy, u n pum ic+pi o+ne+: peo ue n +om, n+o mue ue upunu+cn
ux nu+u+i. Copee s+o +uun no-uuc+onmemy ysocneuuiuun pen+eiuoc+i,
+omy e couun, u pn ue ueoxopumo oyneuue. 0+o ponoiuo couo
ume+i ocoeuuoe npepnon+euue uo-uo conpemeuuo npopyuu. 0+o
u c mpimu, o+opie uuxopn+ uonix xypouuon: speci +oe ec+i n+o-+o,
nemy ueoxopumo ynu+icn. B nocxumumci mpimu, o+opie xopn+ n iuepeu
u cnocoui nonync+nonu+i, n+o +um ec+i uuc+onmu xypouu. Ho n npoc+o
ue moiy +u. Mue nceipu ueoxopumo
Ti npunu, mue nouupouoci nn+i e+, n+oi noun+i, n nm iu uo-
nusuu ue n cynue See+u, speci nc npousomo miuoneuuo uonusuu pu-
o+ Po-pue. B i +u e iyn, u cumie uepuue mpu, oipu pusio-
nop poxopu po Po-pue; n +o npemn ou +oio uunuuu. B conepmeuuo
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uuneio ue nouumu. Mue nouupouoci npemn nn+i e+. Tu n+o n s+o o-
uc+u n ue nepnoo+pinu+ei, +oipu u n quocoquu n nync+nym cen yne-
peuuee, +u u nync+nu+eeu uonim uu+ouuunm u +omy, n+o, uunpo+un,
uuneio ue c+ou+ non+opum, umuum y+neppeuunm u +u puee.
B o+uomeuuu pomuuon n ponoiuo nync+nu+eeu. B poc+u+onuo ynepeu
+oio n +om, n+o ye ionopuoci +icnny pus u ue npepc+unne+ uu+epecu.
Xo+n opuupi, n cynue c uuppumu, n o+pi oio-+o, oio cn no-
cnoemy oneui xopomum moopim pomuuuc+om Apmuuu uuppumu
[Armand Farrachi]. Kouenuo e, +i supuu ponoiuo sppuni nonpoc, uo n
o+neny +u: ueisn pymu+i, n+o es uuunun oni+u mouo cypu+i o +om, n+o
cospu+cn.
B non+u io+on npusuu+i, n+o npepnonu+um u s+o uuoipu cynue+cn u
npuuocu+ mue oipomuoe yponoic+nue oipu n+o-+o, n+o n cospum cum, pe-
souupye+ c +em, n+o peue+ moopo nucu+ei uu xypouu. B ue ionopm,
n+o nos+omy ou xopom, u n nmec+e c uum. Ho umeuuo +uum opusom npouc-
xopn+ mou nc+penu c +em, n+o cenuc npoucxopu+, npuuupeu ppyiomy
mupy [+nopnec+nu]. B umem n nupy, n+o mon u+eiopunecun uecnocouoc+i
niuec+u cypeuue omneucupye+cn s+umu nc+penumu c mpimu, o+opie
peum+ n+o-+o, n+o pesouupye+ c +em, n+o peum n, u uuoopo+.
Knep Hupne: B cynue c uuo u unonucim, uunpumep, s+u nc+penu
umem+ npeumymec+no, +u u +i upmi ypu-+o [n iuepeu uu uuo+eu+p],
+oipu u c uuuimu muiusuuumu ponoiuo couo npepc+unu+i, u +o-
+o suxopu+ n uuui muiusuu u pusinpinue+ uuiu, o+opie nimu n
+eneuue uecoiux npepipymux mecnen.
HnnL ena: Ti npunu, uo nosmouo, s+o cnnsuuo c upee, n+o u+e-
pu+ypu n uuc+onmee npemn ue cumom cuiuu upen, o+opo y meun ue
io, o+opym ueisn npepc+unu+i supuuee onenupuo, n+o u+epu+ypu
cenuc ue n ynmem coc+onuuu, u n+o ouu ucnopneuu, ue+ uypi pue io-
nopu+i o s+om ouu ucnopneuu cuc+emo pucnpoc+puueuun uui, u+epu-
+ypuimu uuipupumu u +u puee. Tu n+o pue ue+ cmicu ionopu+i o s+om.
Knep Hupne: Xopomo, mi nepexopum M, pus +i ue xonemi oime
uuneio ionopu+i
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Muuu n Maladie (HoneanL)
Knep Hupne: M s+o Soesui (Maladie).
HnnL ena: Soesui
Knep Hupne: Bcope noce sunepmeuun pyonucu Pusunun u non+o-
peuun n 1968 iopy +en iocnu+uusuponuu us-su oc+poio +yepysu. Ti
ionopu n o+uomeuuu Hume u Cnuuosi o +om, u nuc+o neuue micu-
+eu umem+ npoemi co spoponiem, u c +oio npemeuu, c 1968 iopu, +ee
npuxopu+cn u+i c oesuim. 3uu u +i po s+oio, n+o y +en i +yepy-
s, uu n+o +i uoe-+o npemn i nem-+o oeu?
HnnL ena: [u, n poc+u+onuo punuo suu, n+o oeu nem-+o, uo, u u
muoiue ppyiue, ue xo+e ysuunu+i nem, u, u u oimuuc+no mpe, n npo-
c+o npepnouiu, n+o s+o copee nceio i pu, +u n+o ocoeuuo ue ecno-
oucn. B ue suu, n+o s+o i +yepys, nou ue uunu umn+i ponim.
B pu+n +yepysu, uo uu npemn onpepeeuun puuiuosu uiopupn uu+uuo-
+uum cepisuo onucuoc+u ue io. Ho nc io cepisuo u pecn+im, u pu-
e +pemn iopumu puuime +oipu nc +oio uunuuuoci. Hunuuci ou uu ue-
coio e+ puuime, n moi i u ue niu+i, +oipu u n 1968 iopy s+o ye ue
nnnoci npoemo. K +omy e s+o oesui, o+opun non+u ue npuuocu+
ou, +u n+o mouo cusu+i, n+o n i cepisuo oeu, uo s+o oimun
npunueiun oesui es ou. Soesui, o+opym mouo usenu+i, o-
esui es c+pupuuu epnu u oesui noome, xo+n s+o oesui, ouenuo.
[o ue n ue moi noxnuc+u+icn xopomum spoponiem, n nceipu ic+po
y+omncn. Tu n+o c nonpocom, oeinue+ u oesui omy-+o, +o uen+o
npepnpuuumue+ n ue ionopm o ycnemuoc+u +uoio uunuuuuun omy-+o,
+o uen+o npepnpuuumue+, +o mu+ micu+eiuie ycuun, +o ni+ue+cn
pusmimn+i B pymum, n+o ocueuuoe coc+onuue oesuu uionpun+c+-
nye+ s+omy. He +o, n+o peo io n uuc+puunuuuu uu cnom usui, uo pn me-
un mimeuue pec+nu+eiuo uunomuuue+ uuc+poy uu usui. Huc+pou
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uu usui ue cnnsuuu c +em, n+o npoucxopu+ nuy+pu +en. 0+o uen+o conep-
meuuo o+unuoe o+ +oio, n+oi pymu+i o cnom spoponie. Ho n pymum, n+o
cuoe spoponie uionpun+c+nye+ +uo uuc+poe.
Koipu n puuee ionopu o neuux un+opux npope oypeucu uu Cnuuosi
n ueo+opo c+eneuu ouu nupeu n+o-+o cumom oipomuoe, uuc+oio oi-
pomuoe, n+o ouu ue moiu s+oio niuec+u. [ec+nu+eiuo, neone npo+u-
nu+cn mimeuum, ecu ye ue uuxopu+cn n ouc+u, o+opun uemuoio npe-
nimue+ eio cui, +o ec+i o+opun peue+ eio xpynum. B cumom pee, y meun
nceipu io xpynoe spoponie, u s+o nop+neppuoci n +o+ momeu+, oipu y
meun uumu +yepys +oipu n u npuop nce npunu, nouiummuecn no
npunuue cuoio spoponin. [u, nc +u, u +i u cusuu.
Knep Hupne: Ho +nou o+uomeuun c npunumu u eupc+numu usmeuu-
uci c s+oio momeu+u: +ee npuxopuoci nocemu+i npune, npuxopuoci pe-
iynpuo npuuumu+i eupc+nu, nc s+o io npuuypeuuem, +em oee n+o
+i ue cumom mumi npune.
HnnL ena: [u [n meun s+o nonpoc ue unuoc+ui, no+omy n+o
u u nce, n nuc+o nc+penum oneui oun+eiuix npune, sumenu+eiuix, uo
s+o +uo pop nuc+u uu opumeuue c s+o nuc+im mi cuonu nosnpumu-
emcn nonpocum, o+opie ye ocypuu, u yp+o ye noonuuu yn,
puccmo+peuuun uumu, c+uu eim u uuupinue+cn uu eoe. Mue ue+cn
o+npu+u+eiuim +o, u npunu muuunyupym+ nuc+im, u ouu cumu o+npu+u-
+eiui n unec+ne po+opon. B ucni+inum ueuunuc+i, uo ue oupe+-
uim npunum, ouu moiy+ i+i sumenu+eiuimu u mepuuuco nuc+u
u +omy, u npunu noisym+cn e.
Meun yneuo +oio opuo, u n +o e cumoe npemn s+o pusppuuo ux
oipu um cynuoci ucnoisonu+i uu mue cnou mumuui u +ec+i. B cnu+um,
n+o s+o puue uenpun+uo pn nuueu+u, +u u cospu+cn nnenu+euue, n+o
s+u +ec+i conepmeuuo ecnoesui, n+o ouu cyu+ +oio pn nop+neppe-
uun puuiuosu npunu. Ho ecu npun +uuu+un, y ueio ye ec+i puuiuos, o+o-
pi s+u ec+oue +ec+i +oio nop+neppn+. Ouu uipum+ c s+umu +ec+umu
ueponyc+umim opusom. Tu n+o meun puponuo, oipu cynuoci, n+o meun
poui iu nponepu+i uo-+o ux mumuuo, u mo pixuuue io cum-
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om cuim, n+oi mumuui moiu eio suqucuponu+i. Hu ouu ue moiu
mue cpeu+i u ouu uusinue+cn sxouppuoipuqum, n+o u n omem,
ouu ue moiu mue e cpeu+i, no+omy n+o mou nousu+eu iu uue nos-
mouix pn mumuui, u moemy yponoic+num po+opu npuxopuu n
npoc+i. Mue +oipu usuoci, n+o ouu ueuunupn+ cnoux epuix nuueu+on,
no+omy n+o c ioc+im moiu npuun+i nepon+uoc+i omuu n puuiuose, uo
ue +o, n+o ux mumuuu ue cpuu+inuu uu mue.
Bo ncm oc+uiuom n cnu+um ux cumom uepusnu+imu, cumom mu-
oopusonuuuimu, u oipu ouu ni+um+cn c+u+i yi+ypuee, pesyi+u+i u-
+uc+poqunui. Ouu oneui c+puuuie mpu, s+u npunu, uo mo y+emeuue n
+om, n+o xo+i ouu u muoio supuu+inum+, y uux ue+ npemeuu, n+oi +pu+u+i
peuiiu, y uux ue+ npemeuu, n+oi nocnoisonu+icn s+um, no+omy n+o y uux
oneui +nun usui. Tu n+o n pec+nu+eiuo ue uuxoy npune npune-
u+eiuimu, su ucmneuuem o+peiuix unuoc+e, o+opie inum+ po-
noiuo y+ounuuimu.
H nc e npu ninoueuuu cnoux oquuuiuix qyuu ouu o+uocn+cn
mpnm u couum. 0+o uu cumom pee nousinue+ ucconym opiy
nepi ecu +o-+o oiu+, ouu uumuoio oee neuni, su ucmneuuem xu-
pypion. Xupypiu s+o conepmeuuo ocoi cynu. Tu n+o npunu pec+nu-
+eiuo npepc+unnm+ coo npoemy, u ueoxopumu uun-+o peqopmu.
Knep Hupne: Tee npuxopu+cn noc+onuuo npuuumu+i eupc+nu?
HnnL ena: [u, mue s+o upunu+cn, s+o meun ue ecnoou+ su uc-
mneuuem +oio, n+o ouu y+omnm+ meun.
Knep Hupne: Tee pec+nu+eiuo upunu+cn npuuumu+i eupc+nu?
HnnL ena: Koipu ux muoio, u npu mom +enepemuem coc+onuuu,
pu umeuuo no+omy, n+o ux muoio. Mon y+peuunn iopu +ue+o s+o e
npoc+o my+euoe peo! K +omy e n cnu+um ux ponoiuo noesuimu. B nce-
ipu i pue n ouc+u ncuxuu+puu n nceipu i su ucnoisonuuue e-
upc+n. B nceipu i uu c+opoue qupmuooiuu.
Knep Hupne: A s+u yc+uoc+i, o o+opo mi ionopuu, +ecuo cnnsuuu c
cumo oesuim, u iu ipe-+o pnpom pue po oesuu. Bcnomuuue+cn
Suumo u +o, n+o ou nucu o yc+uoc+u uu ppye. Yc+uoc+i uipue+ oi-
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pomuym poi n usuu, +o ec+i uuoipu cospu+cn nnenu+euue, n+o s+o on-
punpuuue, n+oi useu+i muoec+nu neme, o+opie +ee cynui, u n+o +i
ucnoisyemi yc+uoc+i n+o ouu nceipu iu pn +en oneui noesuu.
HnnL ena: Bo+ n+o n pymum. Koipu +o-+o uuxopu+cn nop nopouim
nunuuem speci mi nosnpumuemcn +eme cui pec+nun n+o osuunue+
peuusonu+i s+y ueoimym cuy pec+nun, cpeu+i +o, n+o cnocoeu cpe-
u+i, ucnoisonu+i +o, n+o nopnuune+cn cue pec+nun? 0+o yucuo couoe
noun+ue. Tu u +o, n+o ue+cn uepoc+u+om cui pec+nun, xpynoe spo-
ponie uu oesui, uunpumep, s+o nonpoc +oio, n+oi suu+i, u s+o uc-
noisonu+i. Bepi uiopupn s+omy mouo nosmec+u+i uemuoio cui pec+-
nun. Hos+omy oesui onpepeuuo c+u+ ucnoisonu+i n uux-uo enx,
u u nc oc+uiuoe. B ionopm o s+om ue +oio n o+uomeuuu nync+nu+ei-
uoc+u usuu, o+opym ouu npupu+. [n meun oesui s+o ue npui, ue
uen+o, n+o npuuocu+ npepnync+nue cmep+u, uo copee +o, n+o ooc+pne+ nyn-
c+no usuu, uo concem ue n cmice: O, n +u xony u+i, u oipu usenyci,
+o uuoue-+o suuny.
B ue moiy npupymu+i uuoio oee uoio, nem +oio, oio uusinum+
neceinu (bon vivant) s+o npoc+o uo. Huoopo+, neuue usuem-
i (grands vivants) oinuo umeu cuoe spoponie. B nepuyci cnoemy no-
npocy: oesui ooc+pne+ ocooe npeuue u nync+no usuu. Koipu n ionopm
npeuue, npeuue usuu u usui, s+o nopouo +omy, u n ionopm
nupe+i usui, uo s+o u nepeceue+cn [usuim]. Soesui ooc+pne+ s+o,
pu+ nupeuue usuu usuu no nce e cue u puco+e. B conepmeuuo n
s+om ynepeu.
Ho u nosmouo ume+i n+opunuie niiopi o+ oesuu? Bc oneui npo-
c+o: uyuo ucnoisonu+i e, n+oi c+u+i uemuoio oee cnoopuim. Heo-
xopumo e ucnoisonu+i, uuune nc ocoune+cn. To ec+i npuxopu+icn
cumom yceppuo puo+u+i, u s+oio ue c+ou+ peu+i. Puo+u+i cumom muo-
io, ecu s+o ucue+cn puo+i c eim peuusuuu cui pec+nun, n +uom
cynue ouo +oio c+u+. Ho cumom muoio puo+u+i n couuiuom cmice
B ue moiy noun+i npunu, puo+ummeio cumom muoio us-su +oio, n+o y ueio
muoio nuueu+on.
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Tuum opusom, ocosuu+i niiopi oesuu osuunue+ ocnoopu+icn o+ +o-
io, o+ neio uenosmouo ocnoopu+icn n oinuo usuu. unuo n uuoipu ue
mu ny+emec+nonu+i, y meun s+o ue nixopuo n npoc+o ue suu, u ny-
+emec+nonu+i, xo+i u ynuum ny+emec+neuuuon. Ho +o, n+o mo spoponie
+u ocuo, nosnouo mue o+oun+i npuiumeuun noexu+i ypu-+o. Em
mue nceipu io couo nospuo ou+icn cnu+i, uo pus y meun xpynoe spo-
ponie, oime ue+ u penu o +om, n+oi nospuo eni cnu+i. B ue ionopm o
usux mue mpnx, uo n o+uomeuuu couuiuix onsuuuoc+e oesui o+
muoioio ocnoopue+, ouu pec+nu+eiuo noesuu n s+om cmice.
Knep Hupne: Cnu+uemi u +i yc+uoc+i oesuim?
HnnL ena: Yc+uoc+i s+o uen+o ppyioe. [n meun s+o oipu n cpe-
u nc, n+o moi su peui B cpeu nc, n+o moi cpeu+i, u uu s+om peui su-
ouneu. B nuy uooiunecu cmic yc+uoc+u n +om, n+o peui uuoue-+o
sunepmu. Bosmouo, ou moe+ npopou+icn no ppyium, couuiuim
npunuuum, uo yc+uoc+i s+o uooiunecoe onpepeeuue sunepmuuoc+u
pun. Ti oime uuneio ue moemi ni+nuy+i us cen. Ecu nouumu+i s+o +u-
um opusom, +o s+o ue cumom ecnoou+. Henpun+uo, ecu uuneio ue yc-
ne cpeu+i, +oipu u npunpu, s+o ponoiuo mynu+eiuo, uo n oc+uiuix cy-
nunx nc n nopnpe. Sinum+ pusuie +uni yc+uoc+u. B nceipu i nync+nu-
+eeu s+omy ueyc+onunomy coc+onuum oeneueuun. Mue upunu+cn +uun
iun yc+uoc+i Mue upunu+cn, oipu s+o nync+no npuxopu+ npu sunepme-
uuu neio-+o, nosmouo, n mysie ec+i pn s+oio ocooe cono. [ue ue
suum, u s+o uusnu+iKopu, yc+uoc+i u opu.
Knep Hupne: Hepep +em, u ocypu+i c+upoc+i, mi moiu i noiono-
pu+i o +nom o+uomeuuu epe
HnnL ena: Ax, c+upoc+iXopomo, punu noionopum o epe
Knep Hupne: Ho+omy n+o +ee upunu+cn epu, o+opun, ue+cn, npuuo-
cu+ cuy u usueuuoc+i uunpumep, oc+ui mosi uu uuiyc+. Y +en oco-
euuoe o+uomeuue epe, nocoiy +i ue mumi ec+i.
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HnnL ena: 0+o +u. [n meun ec+i s+o cumoe Ecu i n nonpoo-
nu onucu+i cumoe xupu+epuoe unec+no epi, pn meun s+o iu i cyu.
0+o cumoe cynuoe suun+ue n mupe. Binunu, s+o iu u+epu B, mi c
s+um ye pusopuuci, uo ninunu s+o uen+o ueoinuuo uu+epecuoe, u
epu uuoipu meun ue uu+epeconuu, mue s+o cmep+eiuo cynuo. Tu n+o, epu
cumu no cee Ho ec+i c em-+o, +o mue upunu+cn, s+o nc usmeune+, uo
s+o ue yynmue+ epy, u npoc+o nomoiue+ mue e nepeuocu+i, peue+ s+o meuee
cynuim, pue ecu ue pusionupunu+i. Ho n+o ucue+cn +oio, n+oi ec+i n
opuuony Y muoiux mpe +o e cumoe nce ionopn+, n+o ec+i n opuuony
s+o cynuo, u s+o pousinue+, u cynuo ec+i, pus oimuuc+no mpe
npusuu+, n+o ec+i n opuuony o+npu+u+eiuo.
Hecmo+pn uu s+o, ec+i u +o, nem n pec+nu+eiuo uucupumci s+o
ocoeuuie nemu, ecu cypu+i no +omy, n+o ouu nisinum+ nceomee o+npu-
meuueHo, n oue ouon, n ue niuomy, oipu ppyiue epn+ cip
Knep Hupne: [u, +i ue mumi cip
HnnL ena: u xo+n n ue mm cip, n opuu us +ex pepux mpe,
o+opie moiy+ i+i +epnumi, +o ec+i, n ue nc+um u yxoy uu ue niiounm
neoneu, o+opi ec+ cip. moni cipy s+o u pusuonupuoc+i uuuu-
uusmu, ucom+ui yuc!
Meun moiu i cnpocu+i, us neio i coc+onu mon uuuynmun +punesu,
n+o poc+unuo i mue oipomuemee yponoic+nueB, uu cumom pee, nceipu
nosnpumumci +pm nemum, no+omy n+o s+o +o, n+o mue nceipu usuoci npe-
pucuim, uo no npunpe s+u nemu o+npu+u+eiui: nsi, mosiu, oc+ui
mosi. Hunepuoe 0+o nc ponoiuo nu+u+eiuo. 3uunu+, ec+i s+o B uum
uecoio pec+opuuon n Hupue, ipe nopum+ oc+ui mosi, u noce uux ue
moiy ec+i uuneio ppyioio. Ouu io+onn+ +uue mueuiue yuu us mosiu,
npoc+o usymu+eiuieMosiu, em nsi
Ecu noni+u+icn coo+uec+u s+o c +em, n+o mi ye ocypuu, s+o cnoeio
popu +pouu, mouo cusu+i, xo+n s+o nc, nouy, cumom uuepo+unuo,
mouo cusu+i, n+o mosiu s+o Soi, n+o s+o O+e; Ciu s+o oc+ui mosi,
nepi ou cnnsuu c nosnouonuuom, meumu nosnouumu. H+u, Soi s+o ne-
pen; nosnouonuu s+o Ciu, suunu+, oc+ui mosi s+o ciu, Hucyc, u nsi
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s+o Cnn+o [yx, o+opi npepc+unne+ coo cumy cuy nsiu. Hu, mo-
uo u +u, uo speci n ue ynepeu Mosi s+o ouen+. Koc+ui mosi s+o
uqqe+, u nsi s+o nepen+. He c+ou+ cnpumunu+i meun, nonemy, n nouu-
mum, n+o s+u +poui oneui [u, no+ +u 0+o io i mo upeuiuoe me-
um
Knep Hupne: A c+upoc+i?
HnnL ena: Cynuoci u mue ec+i nce s+u +pu mpu cpusy? Moe+
i+i uu peui popeuun, c ppysinmu. Ouu moiu i npuio+onu+i +uoe, u?
Hpuspuu, npoc+o npuspuu
Knep Hupne: Heisn nc s+o ec+i opuonpemeuuo, pus y +i puccusi-
nuemi uum o cnoe c+upoc+u
HnnL ena: [u, s+o io i cumom!
Knep Hupne: upi peui
HnnL ena: A, c+upoc+i [u? K+o oneui xopomo cusu o c+upoc+u,
+u s+o Pumou [eno n cnom pomuue. Kouenuo, nceipu mouo cusu+i n+o-+o
em, uo ou cusu ynme ncex.
Mue c+upoc+i ue+cn nocxu+u+eiuim nospuc+om. Bocxu+u+eiuim
Kouenuo, cymec+nye+ muoec+no npoem; +en nepenoune+ onpepeuuun
mepu+eiuoc+i c+uuonumicn mepeuuee, pu. Ho cumoe xypmee s+o oipu
+o-+o ionopu+: He+, +i ue +u y u c+up!, no+omy n+o ue nouumue+ n nm
cy+i uoi. B uymci u ionopm: O n n, n +u c+up! +o ec+i, n npoy-
pum cui pec+nun c+upoc+u pu, s+o cui pec+nun. Ho ecu +o-+o ni-
+ue+cn meun npuooppu+i, cusun: He+, +i ue +u y u c+up B, ue+cn,
nooo+u i eio cnoe +poc+im, ue suum, n+o i n cpeu, nepi peo ue n
+om, n+oi, oipu n c+up, uonu+icn s+o ue pn +oio, n+oi cusuu:
He+, +i ue +uo y u c+upi. Huoopo+, ynme io i cusu+i: [u, +i
pec+nu+eiuo npun! 0+o cnomuoe yponoic+nue.
Ho o+ypu ep+cn s+u pupoc+i, su ucmneuuem mepu+eiuoc+u? H+o n
c+upoc+u yucuo u s+o ue nonop pn my+o n+o yucuo, +u s+o oi u
uecnuc+ie, uo s+o ue cumu c+upoc+i. B umem n nupy, n+o +o, n+o peue+ c+u-
poc+i nisinumme uoc+i, +u s+o +e epuie c+upuu, o+opim ue uu n+o
u+i, u o+opix oounu+eiuo nopnopu+ spoponie, y uux ue+ pue cuoio
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spoponin, o o+opom n ionopm u o+opie oneui c+pupum+. Bo+ n+o iuycuo,
uo speci peo nonce ue n c+upoc+u u oesuu.
C+upoc+i s+o npepucuo, oipu ec+i poc+u+onuo peuei u uemuoio spo-
ponin. Honemy e npepucuo? Ho+omy n+o +oio n c+upoc+u Hpepe nce-
io, +i ye poc+ui e, u s+o ye neio-+o c+u+ npoc+o qu+ e poc+ueuun, n
oue ouon, n mupe, n o+opom ec+i noui u o+npu+u+eiuie nupyci, u
npuxopu+cn c+uunu+icn co ncem s+um: c nupycumu, nouumu, ipnsim Ti
poc+ui e. 0+o nospuc+, oipu cy+i n +om, n+oi i+i. Si+i. Ye ue i+i +em
uu s+um, u npoc+o i+i C+upu s+o +o+, +o npoc+o cymec+nye+, +onu,
s+o nc. Bceipu mouo cusu+i: O, ou +uo cnupuni! O, ou ue n uuc+poe-
uuu, uo, n oue ouon, ou npoc+o ec+i. Ou supuo+u npuno i+i, +onu.
Ho nouo neone nc em moe+ cusu+i: Y meun ec+i nuui, uo
s+o u npunpu, u ue npunpu, s+o ue +u, u oipu y +pupu+ue+ueio ec+i nu-
ui. B oneui uupemci suounu+i pne uuiu, o+opie pec+nu+eiuo muoio
pn meun suunu+ opuy o u+epu+ype, ppyiym no quocoquu, uo s+o ue us-
meune+ +oio qu+u, n+o n cnoopeu o+ nuuon. Koipu +i c+up, +i ye ue +u
nync+nu+eeu
B,6=7234A36*, 3
Ti ue +uo nync+nu+eiui, y +en oime ue inue+ suunu+eiuix
pusonuponuuu, +i coueu i+i meuee suuu+epeconuuuim, u mumi m-
pe su +o, n+o ouu npoc+o ec+i. Mue ue+cn, s+o ooc+pne+, uunpumep, mo
nocnpun+ue neme, o+opix n i puuime npoc+o ue sume+u, usnmuix ne-
me, o+opim n uuune ue c+u i nync+nu+eeu. B ynme nuy, no+omy n+o
n cmo+pm uu ppyiux pupu ux cumux, u yp+o uyuo io coxpuuu+i opus,
nepen+, usneni us neoneu nepen+. 0+o nc uiopupn c+upoc+u
A puu npoc+o npoe+um+, puspeuuie nepuopumu y+omuuoc+u. Ho
y+omeuue ue oesui, s+o n+o-+o uuoe u ue cmep+i, u ue Onn+i e, s+o
nceio umi cuiuu o oounuuuu pun. Ec+i, ouenuo, u myu c+upoc+u, o+
uux uyuo oopoun+icn, u s+o concem uecouo, non+u u c nepnyiqumu
uu numnupumu pome +oio, mue upunu+cn [s+o+ opus] ueisn oc+unu+i-
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cn uonim pomu opuomy, oipu xoopue+, no+omy n+o +i cumom mepu+e-
eu, n+oi niu+i. Hos+omy npuxopu+cn useiu+i onpepeuuix neme
H sumenu+eiuo +o, n+o mpu o+nycum+ +en, omec+no o+nycue+ +en.
Omymeuue, n+o omec+no o+nyc+uo +en s+o nypecuo, ue +o, n+oi y o-
mec+nu pec+nu+eiuo nixopuo ypepunu+i meun puuime, uo +o-+o, +o
mooe meun, uu +o+, +o em ue uu neucuu, ue nopospenum+, u sumenu-
+eiuo i+i o+nymeuuimu omec+nom. Ec+ec+neuuo, oipu n cimy, u
nouie mpu uym+cn s+o c+upuu, o+opie ue xo+n+ i+i c+upimu
uu uuc+oio c+upimu. Hm ueniuocumo i+i uu neucuu, u n ue suum, no-
nemy Ouu moiu i nponu+u+i pomuu, o+pi+i pn cen n+o-+o. B ue nepm
n +o, n+o inum+ neucuouepi, o+opie ue moiy+ uu+u, nem suun+icn uy,
pusne n+o n ueo+opix cynunx n Bnouuu ue nepm n +ex, +o ue moe+ uu-
+u, nem suun+icn. B umem n nupy, n+o s+o usymu+eiuo mpu +en o+nyc-
um+ Mouo npoc+o nc+pnxuy+icn, u nce nupusu+i, o+opix mi uecu uu
cnoe cnuue ncm usui, nupum+. K+o oc+u+cn pnpom? Huoio, pome mpe,
o+opix +i mumi, u o+opie moiy+ +epne+i +en, noppepunum+ u, mo-
e+ i+i, +oe mn+. Bc oc+uiuoe o+nycue+ +en. Tneo +oio, oipu
n+o-+o cuonu xnu+ue+cn su +en. B ue moiy s+oio niuocu+iB oime
B ysuu omec+no +oio cenuc, uiopupn usuu uu neucuu. Mue
npepc+unne+cn, n+o n conepmeuuo ueusnec+eu omec+ny. Hos+omy yucuo,
oipu +o-+o, +o pymue+, n+o n nc em npuuupey omec+ny, npocu+ meun
o uu+epnim. 0+u cmu uen+o uuoe, +u u +o, nem mi suuumuemcn,
nouoc+im coo+ne+c+nye+ moemy npepc+uneuum o upeuiuo c+upoc+u. Ho
oipu +o-+o npocu+ o uu+epnim, o pusionope, mue xone+cn eio cnpocu+i:
Bi n cnom yme? Pusne ni ue suue+e, n+o n c+upu, u n+o omec+no o+nyc+u-
o meun?
Ho n pymum, n+o mpu ny+um+ pnu cynun: uyuo ionopu+i ue o nou-
ix mpnx, u o uume+e u c+pupuuuu, nocoiy oipu +o-uo c+up, uecnu-
c+eu u c+pupue+, ue cymec+nye+ conu, n+oi onucu+i s+o. C ppyio c+opoui,
c+upu n nuc+om nupe ue nnne+cn uunem, pome u c+upuom, ou npoc+o
ec+i.
Knep Hupne: Pus +i oiuo, yc+ui u c+upi
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HnnL ena: [u!
Knep Hupne: ue ypem cmemunu+i s+u +pu nemu. [ouo i+i, uuo-
ipu +neo mpnm, o+opie opyum+ +en u o+opie ue +u c+upi, ue +u
oiui u meuee yc+ui, nem +iTnoum pe+nm, +noe eue.
HnnL ena: H+o ucue+cn pe+e C uumu ue io ocoix npoem.
Bosmouo, npoemi iu i, ecu i pe+u iu mupme, uo ouu poc+u-
+onuo nspocie, n+oi u+i cumoc+on+eiuo, u n pn uux ue oysu, +o ue
pymum, n+o npepc+unnm coo ocoeuuym npoemy, pusne n+o n cuy npu-
nnsuuuoc+u, u oipu ouu ionopn+: [u, ou pec+nu+eiuo niinpu+ cum-
om yc+unmum. H nc e, n ue pymum, n+o pn moux pe+e s+o cepisuun
npoemu. H+o ucue+cn uuuuu, n ue suum, +neo u s+o pn ue, xo+n nos-
mouo, n+o s+o u +u, n ue suum. Huoipu ponoiuo couo npepnoou+i,
nem +o+, oio +i mumi, moi i suuumu+icn ppyium n usuu. [ymum, n+o
uuuuu xo+eu i oime ny+emec+nonu+i, pu Ouu c+oio ue ny+emec+no-
nuu, u, nosmouo, xo+eu i. H+o ouu o+piu i pn cen +uoio, ecu
i ny+emec+nonuu? Y ue, u u y +en, xopomee quooiunecoe opuso-
nuuue, nos+omy ouu moiu o+pinu+i sumenu+eiuie nemu, nu+un pomuui, u
s+o, n omem, +o e cumoe, n+o u ny+emec+nonu+i. Onpepeuuo, cymec+nym+
npoemi, uo n i cusu, n+o ouu su npepeumu moeio nouumuuun.
Knep Hupne: B sumneuue, +nou npoe+i Hunopoue +oio, n+o +i
npepnpuuumuemi, +noe cepymme uuiu o u+epu+ype uu puo+i H+o
+uoe quocoqun? H+o +ee upunu+cn n s+ux uunuuuuunx u c+upomy ne-
oney, no+omy n+o puuime +i cusu, nosmouo, ue cymeemi suounu+i ux.
B s+om nepi ec+i n+o-+o suuumu+eiuoe?
HnnL ena: 0+o uen+o usymu+eiuoe, nouumuemi, npoucxopu+ uu-
c+onmun snomun. H oipu +i c+up, y +en ec+i onpepeuuie npepc+une-
uun o +om, n+o i +i xo+e cpeu+i, u ouu c+uuonn+cn nc oee ncuimu, +o
ec+i, c+uuonn+cn oee u oee nuc+imu. B npepc+unnm cee suumeuu+ie
uuuu nnoucux puconuimuon +uue nuc+ie uuuu, u ue+ conepmeuuo
uuneio, pome s+ux +ouux uuu. Hmeuuo +u n npepc+unnm cee npoe+ n
c+upoc+u: n+o-+o, n+o io i +uum nuc+im, non+u uunem, u n +o e npemn
io i ncem s+o io i +u sumenu+eiuo. [oc+ueuue nopouo +pes-
noc+u nosmouo +oio uu suu+e usuu.
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Hunpumep, H+o +uoe quocoqun? mo ucceponuuue uu s+y +emy.
Hpepe nceio, ponoiuo npun+uo n mom nospuc+e ucu+i o+ne+ uu nonpoc,
n+o e +uoe quocoqun, nync+nonu+i, yp+o suuemi o+ne+, u n+o +i epuuc+-
neuui, +o eio suue+, +u n+o ecu i meun cu un+oyc, uu+o oime ue
suu i, n+o s+o +uoe. Bc s+o poc+unne+ mue yponoic+nue. B moi i cos-
pu+i uuiy o +om, n+o +uoe quocoqun, +pupu+i e+ uusup. Kouenuo, s+o
iu i conepmeuuo ppyiun uuiu n cpunueuuu c +em, u n npepc+unnm e
cenuc, u n xo+e i poc+uni +uo +pesnoc+u, n+o
Hpeycnem n uu ue+ n suum, n+o umeuuo cenuc poeu s+um suuu-
mu+icn, n+o puuime n ue cmoi i cpeu+i s+o, u cenuc mue ue+cn, n+o n
cnocoeu. B mom cynue, s+u uuiu ue ype+ noxou uu uu uue ppyiue.
N uuu n Neurologie (Henponornn)
Knep Hupne: H+u, H s+o uenpooiun u mosi.
HnnL ena: A! Henpooiun u mosi[u, uenpooiun oneui couu.
Knep Hupne: Hpopmcn no ue ic+po.
HnnL ena: 0+o npunpu, n+o uenpooiun nceipu meun npu+niunuu,
uo nonemy? H+o npoucxopu+ n nie-uo ioone, oipu n ue ec+i upen? B
npepnonu+um ionopu+i oipu ec+i upen, nocoiy, oipu upe ue+, pusym
puo+ue+ u se+punecoe yc+poc+no. Ho n+o npoucxopu+? Ku nc s+o
cnnsinue+cn nuy+pu iooni?
Hepep +em u uunu+i ionopu+i o ommyuuuuu u +omy nopouom, ue-
oxopumo ynupe+i, u nc cnnsinue+cn nuy+pu iooni. Hu n ioone upuo-
+u To ec+i, s+o +o e cumoe, oipu y oio-uo uu upuo+u ec+i upen B
mom cynue, upeu ue pnuy+cn cqopmuponuuuimu ny+nmu u no io+onim
uccouu+unuim enonum, uo n+o e npoucxopu+? Ecu i mi suuu, +o,
mue ue+cn, mi i suuu nc.
0+o esymuo uu+epecye+ meun, uunpumep Pemeuun iu cumimu pus-
uimu. B umem n nupy, n+o pne puuue +onu mosiu moiy+ eio yc+uuunu-
nu+i mepy coo ou+u+. 0+o +o, n+o mi uusinuem se+punecumu npo-
eccumu n cuuuncux. Ho ec+i u ppyiue cynuu, uunepuoe, iopuspo oee
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couie, oipu uenpepinuoc+i puspymue+cn u uyuo nepeconu+i nepes
nosuuummym pemi. Mue ue+cn, n+o mosi noou +pemuu, u +uo cuno
noc+onuuo npoucxopu+ n nepon+uoc+uom peume. Mepy s+umu pnymn +u-
numu cnnse cymec+nym+ o+uomeuun nepon+uoc+u, u ouu puue ueonpepe-
uuie, n puue c+eneuu +u, n+o s+u cnnsu nuy+pu mosiu opeuuim o-
pusom ue oosuuneui u nopnuunm+cn suouum nepon+uoc+u. H+o suc+unne+
meun micu+i o nm-uo? K+o-+o moe+ cusu+i, n+o n ue o+pi uuneio
uonoio, s+o c+upun npoemu uccouuuu upe.
E86234A36*, 3
HnnL ena: Mouo supu+icn eim Hunpumep, oipu cospum+ ou-
en+ uu cmo+pn+ uu npousnepeuue ucycc+nu, mouo io i nonpoonu+i
uupuconu+i up+y coc+onuun mosiu, o+pueuue eio nuy+peuuux cnnse: u-
umu moiu i i+i uenpepinuie ommyuuuuu, uumu moiu i i+i
puspini ommyuuuuu mepy opuo +ono u ppyio.
Koe-n+o meun oneui nnenu+uo u, nosmouo, s+o moe+ npunec+u
+omy, n+o +i ucuu s+o uc+opun, o+opun npousneu uu meun oipomuoe
nnenu+euue, e ucnoisym+ qusuu pn umc+puuu cnoux noc+poeuu.
0+o uusinue+cn npeopusonuuuem neupn: nsnn yco +ec+u, n+oi eio su-
mecu+i, neupi puc+niunue+ eio n npnmoyioiuu, su+em cupinue+ opu+uo
u +u puee u +u puee. Hpoucxopu+ muoec+no npeopusonuuu, u noce
nucu npeopusonuuu uc (X) pne mucumuiuo usue +onu ousinum+-
cn npo+unonoouimu, oneui o+puuuimu ppyi o+ ppyiu. H ec+i o+puu-
uie +onu, o+opie n pesyi+u+e X npeopusonuuu ousinum+cn oneui
uso ppyi ppyiy.
B ionopm cee, ecu mi suinuem n nim-uo ioony, ue ouupyum u
mi +um +o+ e +un omuuuu? Pusne ue+ pnyx +one, uuxopnmuxcn n onpe-
peuui momeu+, onpepeuui s+un moe upeu pne +onu, o+opie ue-
nosmouo uuoum opusom cnnsu+i u, n pesyi+u+e muoionuceuuix
+puucqopmuu, ousunmuxcn pnpom?
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B i pue cusu, n+o mepy ouen+om u npousnepeuuem ucycc+nu, +o
ec+i, mepy meu+uiuim npopy+om u mosionim mexuuusmom, ec+i ypunu-
+eiuoe cxopc+no. H pn meun nonpoci Ku micu+ neone? uu H+o
suunu+ micu+i? osuunum+, n+o npoemi mimeuun u npoemi mosiu
+ecuo cnnsuui. To ec+i, n nepm copee n ypymee moeynpuo uooiuu
mosiu, ueeu n ypymee uuqopmuuouuo uuyu uu +eopuu ommyuuu-
uu.
Knep Hupne: Ti nceipu o+nopu ocooe mec+o ncuxuu+puu XIX c+oe-
+un, o+opun uu+eucunuo pusnunuu uenpooium u uuyy o mosie
HnnL ena: [u, pu
Knep Hupne: B o+uomeuuu ncuxouuuusu Ti o+puemi npuopu+e+
ncuxuu+puu nepep ncuxouuuusom umeuuo no+omy, n+o ncuxuu+pun cnnsuuu
c uenpooiue.
HnnL ena: Hmeuuo +u, umeuuo +u.
Knep Hupne: 0+o no-npeuemy +u?
HnnL ena: [u, pu, pu. Ku n ionopu puuee, nc s+o +ue cnnsuuo c
qupmuooiue, nosmouim nospec+nuem eupc+n uu mosi u mosionie
c+py+ypi uu moeynpuom yponue, u n cynue musoqpeuuu. Ho moemy
mueuum, umeuuo su s+um ypymee, u ue su meu+uuc+co ncuxuu+pue.
Knep Hupne: 0+o npunopu+ me+opooiunecomy nonpocy Hu pn
oio ue cepe+, n+o +i copee cumoynu, xo+n u nu+uemi puo+i no uenpoo-
iuu u uuynuie ypuui H em +i ue oneui xopomo pusupuemicn n mu-
+emu+ue, n o+unue o+ ueo+opix quocoqon, y o+opix +i ynucn: y Sepi-
couu iu ynuun c+eneui no mu+emu+ue; Cnuuosu i cuu n mu+emu+ue;
euu He uyuo uunomuuu+i, n+o ou xopomo pusupucn n mu+emu+ue.
Tu u e +i epmicn su n+euue? Koipu y +en ec+i upen u +ee n+o-+o uu-
+epecuo, uo conepmeuuo uenoun+uo, u +i pemuemi s+o+ nonpoc?
HnnL ena: Hy, ec+i oe-n+o, n+o npuuocu+ mue oipomuoe oeine-
uue, u umeuuo +o, n+o n yepu n nosmouoc+u uecoiux npon+euu op-
uoio u +oio e. H pue n quocoquu n +nppo n s+o nepm: ue uyuo i+i
quocoqom, n+oi nu+u+i quocoqum.
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[eo ue +oio n +om, n+o quocoqun o+pi+u pn pnyx npon+euu
quocoqun uypue+cn n pnyx npon+euunx opuonpemeuuo. He-quocoqcoe
n+euue quocoquu ucom+uo ueoxopumo, es ueio n quocoquu ue io
i uuuo puco+i. To ec+i, ecu ec+i uecneuuuc+i, nu+ummue quoco-
qum, +o +uoe ue-quocoqcoe n+euue quocoquu ue nnne+cn ymepuim u
conepmeuuo npuememo. 0+o npoc+oe npon+euue.
Ho pnu npon+euun ue cmoiy+ oxnu+u+i ncm quocoqum. B c +pypom cee
npepc+unnm ue-quocoqcoe npon+euue Kuu+u, uunpumep. Ho n+o ucue+cn
Cnuuosi, +o s+o ue +u y uenosmouo, ecu pec+inuuu uunu+ nu+u+i
Cnuuosy, ecu nupee muiusuuu uunu+ nu+u+i Cnuuosy
Knep Hupne: Hume
HnnL ena: Hume, ue ionopn ye o +ex quocoqux, o+opimu n
nocxumumci. H+u, ue+ uuuo ueoxopumoc+u nouumu+i, nocoiy no-
uumuuue s+o onpepeuui yponeui n+euun. Ecu +o-+o ype+ nospuu+i:
n+oi oeuu+i unonuci oieuu ue uyuo suuomu+icn c scnep+uim mue-
uuem.
Kouenuo, ueo+opie suuuun ueoxopumi, uo ec+i u ueoiuoneuuie
smouu, ueoinuuo nopuuuie, ueoinuuo nuc+ie, ueoinuuo cui-
uie npu nouom ueneec+ne n unonucu. [n meun conepmeuuo onenup-
uo, n+o pn oio-+o unonuci moe+ i+i nopouu ypupy mouuu, u npu
s+om ou ue ype+ suu+i o ue uuneio.
Tue mouo i+i oxnuneuuim nync+numu, nisnuuuimu mysio uu
mysiuiuim npousnepeuuem, ue suun o uux uuneio. Hunpumep, meun oneui
+poium+ yy u Boe, ue ionopn ye o ouep+e Humn+u uuieu
[Aiuuu Sepiu], o+opi nsnouonu meun n cno npemn +u, u uun+o ppy-
ioe.
B suum, n+o ynme ume+i omne+eu+ui nsinp, uo nmec+e c +em nc
euuoe n mupe o+pi+o n npoc+puuc+ne pusymu pn pnouoio npon+euun
npu yconuu, n+o s+o ue cpeuuo no cynum uum-uuypi cumoyno. Co-
pee, speci mi uunuuuem c npoem, nsn+ix us uo-uo ppyio ouc+u.
[ymum, n+o umeuuo no+omy, n+o n quocoq, +o ocymec+nnm ue-
mysiuiuoe nocnpun+ue mysiu, nos+omy mysiu ueoinuuo meun no-
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uye+. Tonuo +ue, ecu +i mysiuu+, unonuce uu +o-+o em +i
moemi ocymec+nu+i ue-quocoqcoe npon+euue quocoquu. Ecu i s+o-
io n+opunuoio npon+euun o+opoe ue n+opunuo ue cynuoci, ecu ue
io pnyx opuonpemeuuix npon+euu 0+o u pnu piu y n+ui ouu
poui i+i.
Soee +oio, pue quocoq poeu uuynu+icn nu+u+i neuoio quoco-
qu ue-quocoqcu. Tununui npumep pn meun onn+i e Cnuuosu: n+e-
uue eio uui n mnio ooe nceipu u nespe, ipe +oio nosmouo, nisi-
nue+ y meun c+oio e smou, coio mysiuiui mepenp. H n ueo+o-
po c+eneuu npoemu speci ue n nouumuuuu, nocoiy uu +ex ypcux, n+o n
nu+u, io ncuo nupuo, oipu c+ypeu+i nouumum+, oipu ue+. H mi nepm
cen c uuiumu +onuo +ue uuoipu nouumuem, uuoipu ue+.
Ecu nepuy+icn +noemy nonpocy o uuye, n pymum, s+o npunpu u u
cepc+nue, n ueo+opo c+eneuu, umeuuo n npepeiuo +one ueneec+nu
pouo npoucxopu+i nmneuue, uu npepee suuuun uu uesuuuun, o+o-
pie nnnm+cn punuocuiuimu, n+oi mi moiu n+o-uuypi cusu+i. Ecu
i n pu, nou nomy, n+o umeuuo coupumci uunucu+i, ynuiuo, ecu
i n pu, nou nomy, o nm e ionopm +oipu i n pu nenuo, nocoi-
y n+o i n ue ionopu, s+o ue npepc+unne+ uuuoio uu+epecu. Ecu n ue
pucuy
Ecu n nmnyci, u em uunuy ionopu+i uupemunecum +ouom o +om, n
nm ue pusupumci, s+o +oe ue npepc+unne+ uuuoio uu+epecu. Ho ecu
n ionopm uu cumo ipuuue, puspenmme suuuue u uesuuuue, umeuuo +um
uyuo nmnu+icn, n+oi io n+o cusu+i. B uuye peu oc+on+ +onuo
+ue, u nop+neppeuue +omy +o, n+o n nceipu i +ecuo cnnsuu c ynuimu.
Ouu uuoipu ue npusuunuu meun su ynuoio, ouu ue cnu+um+, n+o n muoioe
nouumum, uo ueo+opie us uux ionopuu mue, n+o nc s+o puo+ue+ B nc
em o+pi+ pn sxu ue moiy npupymu+i ynmeio conu.
Ecu npunec+u npumep Bosimy npoc+o npumep: unonuce, o+opi
mue oneui upunu+cn [Poep] [eoue. B nopnepy s+o qopmye: n+o peue+
[eoue? Ou nupe uen+o nopusu+eiuoe, u s+o nosnpumue+ uuc ocype-
uum nonpocu: n+o suunu+ oupu+i upee? B nm upen [eoue? Eio upen co-
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c+ou+ n +om, n+o cne+ qopmupye+ quiypi, quiypi cospum+cn cne+om 0+o
ponoiuo uuuonuuouuo, xo+n, nosmouo, ye punuo s+u upen npuuupeu-
u omy-+o em B micu [eoue nonnne+cn upen cospuuun quiyp qu-
iyp, opusonuuuix cne+om, quiyp cne+u. Ou usopuue+ quiypi cne+u, u ue
uipy cne+u, o+opi nc+pe+ucn c oe+om. Tem cumim [eoue o+pune+ ce-
n o+ mix oe+on, n pesyi+u+e +nopn up+uui noome es oe+on.
B nu+u ueo+opie npepucuie nemu [eoue, ipe ou pu+uye+ yusm.
[eoue ionopu+ o +om, n+o Cesuuu npeycne n puspymeuuu oe+u, pusun
omno+uuy (nusy), u yuc+i suuumuuci +em, n+o ni+uuci cuonu e ce-
u+i. To ec+i, yc+puunn oe+i n nupe +nppix u ieome+punecux +e, [eo-
ue y+neppue+ quiypi nuc+oio cne+u. 0+o unonucuoe coi+ue, [eoue-
coi+ue.
B ue suum pu+i, uo s+o ue ocoeuuo nuuo 0+o nc cnnsuuo c o+uocu-
+eiuoc+im, c +eopue o+uocu+eiuoc+u, u n ynepeu, n+o pn s+oio ue uyuo
suu+i muoio. Onucuo umi i+i cumoyno, uo u cumom muoio suu+i ue
uyuo. B muo suum o o+uocu+eiuoc+u, ynuiuo cepymmee: nmec+o +o-
io, n+oi puccmu+punu+i uuuu cne+u uuuu, o+opimu cepye+ cne+
nopnuuuuimu ieome+punecum uuunm, scnepumeu+i Mueicouu po-
usinum+ npnmo npo+unonoouoe. Tenepi uuuu cne+u c+uuonn+cn yconu-
em ieome+punecux uuu.
0+o noui nepenopo+ uuynuo nepcne+uni, o+opi meune+ nc, +u
u uuun cne+u nepec+u+ oupu+i ueusmeuuoc+im ieome+puneco uuuu,
u nc meune+cn. B ue c+unm uu s+om +ony, uo s+o+ ucne+ o+uocu+eiuoc+u
ynme nceio umc+pupym+ scnepumeu+i Mueicouu. 0+o ue suunu+, n+o
[eoue ucnoisye+ +eopum o+uocu+eiuoc+u. O+meny, n+o s+o nc+penu u-
nonucu c uuyo, o+opie oinuo ue nc+ynum+ n o+uomeuun ppyi c ppyiom.
B ionopu uen+o nopouoe
Hpunepy ppyio npumep. Pumuuoncue npoc+puuc+nu, o o+opix n suum
uemuoio, uo poc+u+onuo, n+oi noun+i, n+o s+o npoc+puuc+nu, opusymmue-
cn us nuc+e, u cnnsu mepy nuc+nmu ue npeponpepeeui. Ho no concem ppy-
ium npunuuum mue nouupoucn ouen+ npoc+puuc+nu, cuiummeiocn us
nuc+e, mepy o+opimu ue+ nuc+ix cnnse, u ouu ue supuui. Mue ueoxo-
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pumo s+o! B ue moi no+pu+u+i nn+i e+ usuu uu usyneuue Pumuuu, no-
coiy pue nepes nn+i e+ n uu uu mui i ue npopnuuycn n puspuo+e
quocoqcoio ouen+u. H npocmu+punun quimi, n nuy +um c+puuui
+un npoc+puuc+nu, o+opi, u usnec+uo, npucy+c+nye+ n quimux Specco-
uu, n o+opix npoc+puuc+no pepo ousinue+cn iouiuim ouo ouc+-
pyupye+cn nuc+i su nuc+im. Mi nupum ueoimue qpuimeu+i npoc+puuc+nu,
uunpumep, nuc+i umepi n Hpuionopuuom cmep+u n cmy+uo nomum
+mpemuym umepy, o+opun nupuu ue n nouom ome, uo ncuo, n+o npo-
c+puuc+no pomenuoe. B ye ue ionopm o uoucom nosue n Kupmuuuu-
e, ipe npoc+puuc+no uenepon+uo. Eio ueoimue nuc+u coepuunm+cn, uo
cnnsi mepy uumu ue npeponpepeeuu. Ho nonemy? Ho+omy n+o ouu cnnsuui
c pyumu, u mouo ynupe+i, uucoio pn Speccouu nuui pyu. Pyu, o-
+opie pnuy+cn. [ec+nu+eiuo, n Kupmuuuue umeuuo copoc+i, c o+o-
po ypupeuuie nemu nepexopn+ us opuux py n ppyiue, onpepene+ cnnsu
mepy mueuiumu npoc+puuc+numu. 0+o ue suunu+, n+o Speccou ucnoisye+
pumuuoncue npoc+puuc+nu. Copee s+o suunu+, n+o nosmouu nc+penu qu-
ocoqcoio ouen+u, uuynuoio noun+un u sc+e+unecoio nepen+u. 0+o co-
nepmeuc+no.
B nepm, n+o o uuye n suum umeuuo c+oio, coio uyuo, n+oi no-
un+i, iu u nc+penu. Ecu i n suu oime, +o suuumucn i uuyo, n
ue i i quocoqom, no+ +u-+o. Hos+omy nuc+o n ionopm o +om, neio ue
suum, uo n ionopm o +om, neio ue suum, n unec+ne qyuuu +oio, n+o n suum.
Bc s+o nonpoc +u+u, o+usu o+ omuuu, o+ cospuuun nupumoc+u ocnepom-
uuoc+u, oipu ue suuemi.
Ho onn+i e, y meun iu nc+penu c xypouuumu, u s+o iu ynmue
puu n moe usuu. Y meun iu onpepeuuie nc+penu ue qusunecue
nc+penu, uo +e, o o+opix n numy, y meun iu nc+penu c xypouuumu.
Beunumun us uux iu c Au+uu. [Cumou] Au+uu (Simon Hanta) cusu:
[u, n+o-+o n s+om ec+i. 0+o ue io omnumeu+om. Au+uu ue +o+, +o
peue+ omnumeu+i omy-+o npope meun mi pue ue iu suuomi.
Mepy uumu n+o-+o npousomo.
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H+o uucn+ moe nc+penu c Kupmeo Seue? B uuoipu ue suuumucn +e-
u+pom, n uuneio n um ue nouumum. Ho, poeu npusuu+i, +um +oe npo-
usomo uen+o nuuoe. Ec+i u ynuie, c o+opimu +uoe nosmouo. B suum
ueo+opix mu+emu+uon, y o+opix xnu+uo +epneuun nponu+u+i +o, n+o n
uunucu, u ouu cusuu, n+o n nc peu ucom+uo noceponu+eiuo.
Mou conu snynu+ nc oee mepso, nocoiy y meun ec+i omymeuue,
n+o n +puny npemn uu iupoe cumoponoic+no, uo nc s+o n puccusinum pn
+oio, n+oi o+ne+u+i uu nonpoc. [n meun nonpoc ue n +om, suuom u n c
uuyo n poc+u+onuo mepe u ue n +om, cnocoeu u n ysuu+i n+o-+o. Copee,
iunuoe ue ionopu+i iynoc+e [n +oio, n+oi nisnu+i sxo qeuo-
meu sxo mepy ouen+om, nepen+om u qyuue, +u u pn meun uuy-
u suuumue+cn ue ouen+umu, u qyuunmu. O+cmpu nupuo, n+o mue iu
uyui pumuuoncue npoc+puuc+nu pu, n suu, n+o ouu cymec+nym+, ue suun
+onuo, n+o ouu us cen npepc+unnm+. Ho s+oio io poc+u+onuo.
O uuu n Opera (Onepu)
Knep Hupne: H+u, O s+o Onepu (Opera), u, u mi ye nounu,
n puuuom suioone ec+i pon my+u, nocoiy, ecu ue pu+i n pucn+
Boeu u yy Sepiu, mouo cusu+i, n+o onepu ue +o, n+o +en uu-
+epecye+. Mouo cusu+i, su ucmneuuem Sepiu, n cpunueuuu c uyo uu
u+e, o+opie muu u+uinucym onepy +i uuoipu no-uuc+onmemy
ue cymu mysiy, +em oee onepy. Ten oime uu+epeconuu nonynpuun
necun, ocoeuuo 0pu+ Huuq Ti nu+u ue uuc+onmym c+puc+i. B i xo-
+eu, n+oi +i puccusu o s+om noppouee.
HnnL ena: Ti ue concem npunu n +om, n+o cusuu. B nc e uemuoio
cymu mysiy n onpepeuuoe npemn, oneui punuo. Ho+om n oc+uuonucn,
nocoiy cusu cee, n+o s+o uenosmouo, uenosmouo s+o espuu, o+-
uumummun cumom muoio npemeuu, uu ue uyuo npemn, u y meun eio ue
io. Y meun cumom muoio pe n ionopm ue o couuiuix supunux, u o
euuuu nucu+i y meun npoc+o ue io npemeuu uu +o, n+oi cymu+i my-
siy.
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Knep Hupne: u+e, uunpumep, puo+u nop snyu onepi
HnnL ena: [u, n unec+ne opuoio us me+opon puo+i. Ho n +u ue
moi. Ou cymu onepy, pu, uo n ue ynepeu, n+o ou cymu e, oipu puo+u.
Koipu npuuumu ioc+e pomu, pu, s+o n nouumum. Ho puue mepe, onepu
suc+unnu mpe sumou+i, oipu y ueio ounuoci +epneuue. Ho n nuy
e poi n ppyiom. Hos+omy n nepeqopmyupym nonpoc pn coc+neuuoio
ypoc+nu n cepymmu: H+o omeio mepy nonynpuo necue u mysi-
uiuim mepenpom? 0+y +emy n uuxoy yneu+eiuo. B cynue c 0pu+
Huuq, uunpumep. B cnu+um e neuo nenue c sc+puoppuuupuim ioo-
com. Soee +oio, ouu moiu ne+i quimuno, noc+onuuo epn quimunym uo-
+y, u ouu peuu s+o npunuiuo s+o cnoeio popu cuc+emu pucuuucu, cuc-
+emu, c+pemnmuncn uemy u Huuq peuu s+o npunuiuo. [n meun s+o
u+puy+ moio c+un. 0+o +o, n+o n oneui mm, nocoiy s+o nonpoc, o-
+opi n c+unm o+uocu+eiuo nceio non nonynpuo necuu: H+o uonoio
ouu mue pu+?

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B +om, n+o ucue+cn cnocou npousnopc+nu, n+o uonoio ouu pu+? [ue,
ecu i s+o npopeinuu ye pecn+i, c+o pus, moe+, pue xopomo: n nouu-
mum conu Po-pue o +om, n+o Suisu, onenupuo, i ieuuem, uo sunem
ceiopun cospunu+i pomuui +u, u cospunu ux Suisu? Soee +oio, s+u
npu+uu nn+uue+ pomuui Suisuu, uo ceiopun ouu noncemec+uu.
H+o meun ocoeuuo npuneuo n Huuq s+o +o, n+o ouu npepouu
uen+o uonoe o+uocu+eiuo npepmec+nymmeio nooeuun, o+uocu+eiuo
upeei uppyiux npepucuix nenu
Knep Hupne: [umuu
HnnL ena: o+uocu+eiuo upeei u [umuu. Bc, n+o ouu npepo-
uu, io opuiuuuiuim, pue e uupnp, u, ouenuo, iooc Huuq. B i
oneui nync+nu+eeu e ioocy.
H+o ucue+cn oee conpemeuuix nenon, c+ou+ ynomnuy+i upn Tpe-
ue. H+o pec+nu+eiuo io uuuonuuouuim n necunx Tpeue, s+o eio muue-
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pu ucnoueuun, n o+opo po ueio uu+o ue ne. B uuc+uunum uu +om, n+o
pn quocoquu, unonucu, pn nceio, pn ucycc+nu, ypi +o nonynpuun
necun uu pue cnop+, ecu peni sup+ o um, nonpoc oc+ue+cn npeuum:
H+o n s+om uonoio?
H uyuo nouumu+i s+o ue n ou+ec+e mopi, u uuoopo+. Bc, n+o uuuo-
nuuouuo, +o ue moe+ i+i mopuim nosmouo, ouo ype+ mopuim, uo ue
+oipu, oipu mpu s+oio ue oupum+, no onpepeeuum, ue oupum+, neio-+o,
n+o ux oninuu+. Koipu Tpeue uunuuu ne+i, mpu pymuu, n+o ou cymu-
cmepmu. Cenuc ou ye ue niinpu+ pn uuc +uum, uo mouo nenuo iono-
pu+i o +om, n+o ou cymucmepmu, u, n ueo+opom cmice, +uum u oc+ucn. A
Huuq usuuci ncem uum nem-+o ipuupuosuim.
Knep Hupne: A Kopom upuucyu +i +oe nocxumucn?
HnnL ena: Kop upuucyu ue suum, npun n uu ue+, uo Kop upuu-
cyu mue +oe usucn +em, +o npunuc uen+o uonoe, no+omy n+o Tuux m-
pe muoio, n ue ypy npunopu+i nce umeuu. H ipyc+uo, n+o mpu onupym+
s+o neuue pecn+u, co+uu u +icnnu pus u, pome +oio, y uux ue+ uuuoio io-
ocu, u ouu ue ni+um+cn uuneio o+pi+i. [n meun s+o +o e cumoe: nue-
ppu+i n+o-+o uonoe u ni+u+icn o+pi+i uen+o uuoe.
A 0pu+ Huuq? ocnopu, n+o ouu ni+uuci o+pi+i? Bcnomuuue+cn +o,
n+o n ionopu o cuom spoponie u cuiuo usuu: ouu nupeu cuy usuu,
+u comuu e u +u puee ouu +omy npepucui npumep, mi moem pu+i
0pu+ Huuq su npumep +oio, o nm mi ionopuu puuee.
B i nocnpuumnun Kopy upuucyu. Bepi ou ucu n+o-+o, ucu opu-
iuuuiuie cnocoi npepc+uneuun, neceuuoio moy, ou ni+ucn usopec+u
+uuenuiuym necum, n+o noppusymenuo qouoipummy. K ynmemy uu xyp-
memy, uo ou +ue uunu ucceponu+i cum sny. [o cumoio ouu upuucyu
i ueponoeu opuo nemim eio +ec+i iu iyni, n+o nc em io
nuuo pn neceu. Eio +ec+i iu cuimu, u ou ue nepec+unu ni+u+icn
meun+i cnou +ec+i u poc+ui nicooio +ec+yuiuoio unec+nu, u n Ae-
cuuppu, Aecuuppu s+o xopomun necun.
C conpemeuuo mysio n ue oneui suuom, uo oipu n nmnum +ee-
nusop, s+o npuno upoio, +o nime uu neucum nmnu+i +eenusop,
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oipu +i yc+u n moiy cusu+i, n+o uuuon c+uo oime, uo nce ouu opu-
uuonie, nce c+uuonn+cn nyc+imu, ucom+uo nyc+imu. Peum ouypeu-
uu, copenuonuuun ppyi c ppyiom nc s+o nep+ +omy e cumomy eco-
uenuo nyc+o+e, n s+om ncn ouypeuun u c+pemeuue ysuu+i, n+o uyuo
cpeu+i, n+oi cymu+ei nmnu ux, u ue ppyio uuu. 0+o yucuo To,
n+o n cimy +um, n ue moiy uusnu+i necunmu, nepi y nenon npoc+o ue+ ioo-
cu, pue cumoio muuumuiuoio. Ho ue c+ou+ uonu+icn. B umem n nupy, nce
ouu xo+n+, n+oi iu +uun ouc+i, o+opym mouo io i puccmu+pu-
nu+i u u ouc+i nonynpuo necuu, u u ouc+i mysiu. A s+o n+o +u-
oe?
B nync+nym, n+o mi c ueucom xopomo no+pypuuci, nepi n npu ueo-
xopumoc+u moiy cusu+i, ecu meun cnpocn+: Kuo quocoqcu ouen+
puspuo+u +i, ecu nceipu ionopumi o cospuuuu ouen+on? Mi cospuu
oneui nuui quocoqcu ouen+, ouen+ pu+ypueu [peqpeuu]. H
pn meun pu+ypuei u ec+i +o omee [mepy nonynpuo necue u mysi-
o].
H+o s+o? Cuem, pu+ypuei s+o opo+u uunen: +pu-u-u-u, +pu-
u-u-u. Koipu n nom +pu-u-u? B uuc+uunum uu +om, n+o, cnpumunun,
oipu uuepuue uunenum Tpu-u-u, n suuumumci quocoque.
B uunenum n +px cynunx: uunenum, oipu nepememumci no cnoe +ep-
pu+opuu, npo+upum cnom meei, u qouom uipue+ pupuo. H+u, oipu n pomu.
[uee, n uunenum, oipu n ue pomu u ni+umci popu+icn pomo po uuc+yne-
uun +emuo+i, nucu c+puxu, oipu n umy ny+i pomo u poeu oc+unu+icn
xpupim, n uunenum +pu-u-u u upy pomo. Huoue, n uunenum, oipu
ionopm: Hpomu, n yxoy, +i uunceipu oc+uuemicn n mom ceppe s+o
nonynpuun necunn nom e, oipu noupum pom u upy n ppyioe mec+o.
Huimu conumu, pu+ypuei nouoc+im cnnsuuu n+o nosnpumue+ uuc
A u Animal [uno+uoe] npoeme +eppu+opuu, yxopu uu npuxopu
uu ue, +o ec+i, npoeme pe+eppu+opuuusuuu. B nosnpumumci uu cnom
+eppu+opum uu ni+umci s+o cpeu+i uu n pe+eppu+opuuusupym cen, +o
ec+i noupum cnom +eppu+opum.
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upuo, uo npunm speci mysiu? Hpu cospuuuu ouen+u uyuo npo-
pnuiu+icn nnepp, no+omy n npueium opusy mosiu: nosimm n unec+ne
npumepu mo mosi. Buesunuo ou ionopu+ necun, n+o +uoe necun? H s+o
nceipu iooc, noxou uu necum, nocc+unmu n cnom nooeuuu n o+uome-
uuu +eppu+opuu. Moe +eppu+opuu +eppu+opuu, o+opo n oime ue o-
upum, u o+opym n ni+umci nuoni opec+u no+ n+o +uoe necun. Sypi +o
ymuu uu yep+ s+o qyupumeu+uiuo. H n nepm n +o, n+o s+o uqqe+.
Koipu n ionopu puuee o +om, n+o mysiu s+o uc+opun c+uuoneuu u pe-
c+neuuix cu c+uuoneuu, n ume n nupy n+o-+o nopouoe Ouu moe+
i+i neuo, moe+ i+i nocpepc+neuuo, uo
H+o +uoe pec+nu+eiuo neuun mysiu? [n meun, s+o nponnne+cn n
+om, u omnosu+opi noc+ynum+ c mysio. Ouu uunuuum+ c pu+ypuee,
u He suum, n ionopm pue o cumix uc+pu+uix omnosu+opux. B nepm,
n+o y upoio omnosu+opu ec+i cno +un pu+ypuee. Ouu uunuuum+ c o-
po+ux uunenon, mueuiux pu+ypuee. C+ou+ nsinuy+i uu Beu+en y
Hpyc+u Tpu uo+i, su+em pne. Kopo+un pu+ypuei, upymun o+ Beu+en u
npunopnmun uunucuuum Cen+e+u. [n meun s+o pu+ypuei, o+opym ce-
pye+ o+pi+i n mysie u pue po ue. 0+o e n+o-+o uenepon+uoe!
H n+o e npoucxopu+? Bc e neuu omnosu+op ue uuipomopue+
pu+ypueu opuy uu ppyiym, uo puc+nopne+ s+u pu+ypueu n em oee o-
muix pu+ypuenx. Bc s+o pu+ypueu po +eppu+opu, puuuo +eppu+opuu
u +o, o+opie ypy+ copuui n cumom ceppe ecouenuoc+u pu+ypueu,
ocmuneco pu+ypueu! Bc, n+o +oxuyseu ionopu+ o mysie u ocmoce
s+o nosnpumeuue +emum, pucnpoc+puuuuim n cpepuue neu u snoxy Bos-
popeuun. Hn noppepunum upem +oio, n+o mysiu cnnsuuu c ocmocom
H+u, mysiuu+, o+opim n nocxumumci, u o+opi suunu+eiuo no-
nun uu meun [yc+un] Muep. H+o +uoe eio Hecui o seme? Hu+o i
ue nipusu s+oio ynme. Hoc+onuc+no, u semeu+i n ieuesuce, cpepu o-
+opix noc+onuuo npucy+c+nym+ opo+ue pu+ypueu, uuoipu n nupe pnyx o-
poniux oooinuon.
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H+o n puo+ux Muepu sc+puoppuuupuoio +u s+o +o, n+o nce opo+ue
pu+ypueu ye ieuuuiuie npousnepeuun: pu+ypueu +unepui, pu+ypue-
u nuc+yxu u +u puee ouu opusym+ ueym neunec+neuuym pu+ypuei,
c+unmym Hecuim o seme.
Ecu uyeu ppyio npumep, n moiy ynomnuy+i Sup+ou npepucuoio
omnosu+opu u uc+uuuoio ieuun. Ou ep+ ouiuie pu+ypueu, pu+ypue-
u uumeuimuuc+n u +u puee, u coupue+ ux n npousnepeuun, o+opie po
cux nop ue usyneui.
H n pymum, n+o mysiu uemuoio [u, s+o o+uocu+cn u unonucu, s+o
non+u cxopuie nemu. Koipu Kee cusu, n+o xypouu sunenu+enue+ nu-
pumoe, ue sunenu+enun eio, ou n peni o cuux, o+opie uenupumi, u pn
mysiuu+u cu+yuun upeu+unuu. Ou o+opuue+ cimumie cui, o+opie
ue cimui. Ou ue o+opuue+ cimumoe ou peue+ cimumim +o, n+o
+uonim em ue io, peue+ cimumo mysiy semu, peue+ cimumo
mysiy uu usope+ue+ e non+u +u e, u quocoq, o+opi sunenu+-
enue+ micu+eiuie cui, o+opie uemicumi, o+opie no cnoe npupo-
pe, copee, ueonpepeuuie, puspymu+eiuie.
To ec+i oepuueuue s+ux opo+ux pu+ypuee n oimo pu+ypueu
onpepene+ mysiy, n cnu+um, n+o speci nc npoc+o. 0+o cui mysiu, e
pec+neuuun cuu, popummuncn uu ocmunecom yponue, u ecu i sns-
pi uunuu ne+i +uxym meopum oponieio oooinuu. Hu, uuoopo+,
oponiu oooinuu nuesunuo uunuu uspunu+i ueecuie uu upcue
snyu.
Knep Hupne: Tem ue meuee, xo+i n ue cmoiy +onuo s+o oncuu+i, mue
ue+cn, n+o no ncm, n+o +i cusu mue co nce mysiuiuo spypuue,
+i nc-+uu umemi n mysie u pu+ypueu uen+o nusyuiuoe. Kue+cn, yp+o
nusyuiuim +i ynenu oime
upuo, n nouumum, n uo c+eneuu cimumoe, nnnmmeecn nusyui-
uim, cnnsuuo c ocmunecumu cuumu, uo +i ue xopumi uu ouep+i, ouu
+en y+omnm+, +i ue cymuemi mysiy, u xopumi uu xypoec+neuuie ni-
c+unu, no puue mepe, pus n uepem, u s+o ye +non npuninuun npu+uu.
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HnnL ena: 0+o o+ o+cy+c+nun nosmouoc+e u npemeuu, nocoiy
B moiy pu+i +ee +oio opuu o+ne+. Epuuc+neuuo nemim, uu+epecymme
meun n u+epu+ype, nnne+cn c+ui. C+ui pn meun nuc+o uypuuiuoe nn-
euue. B i ue c+u, u +i, puspen+i nusyuiuoe
Hpunpu, n+o n pepo xoy uu ouep+i, nocoiy +enepi s+o c+uo
couee, nepi mec+u uyuo suusinu+i supuuee. 0+o npu+unecue pe+uu
usuu, u ecu npoxopu+ nic+unu, +o ue uyui uuuue npepnupu+eiuie
suusi. Ho upi pus, oipu n npuxoy uu ouep+, n uuxoy eio cumom
poium, nocoiy mo nuumuuue ueyc+onuno, uo n nceipu ucni+inum ne-
peunuuun. B ue ynepeu, n+o +i concem uenpunu, uo, pymum, n+o +i moemi
omuu+icn, nepi +no nnenu+euue ue concem nepuo. B mom cynue, n suum,
n+o mysiu pu+ mue smouu onopu+i o mysie pue couee, nem iono-
pu+i o unonucu. 0+o nicmun +onu ionopu+i o mysie.
Knep Hupne: Hon+u nce quocoqi Hy, muoiue quocoqi ionopuu
o mysie.
HnnL ena: Ho c+ui s+o uen+o snyonoe, u ue nusyuiuoe, u n uu-
+epecymci snynuuuem +oio uu s+om yponue.
Knep Hupne: Mysiu uenocpepc+neuuo cnnsuuu c quocoque, muoiue
quocoqi ionopuu o mysie, uunpumep, Bueenun
HnnL ena: [u, pu, s+o +u
Knep Hupne: uo, su ucmneuuem Mepo-Hou+u, non+u uu+o us
quocoqon ue ionopu o unonucu.
HnnL ena: Hon+u uu+o? Hy, ue suum
Knep Hupne: Hpusuum, n n s+om ue ynepeuu uo mysiu Sup+ iono-
pu o ue, Bueenun ionopu o ue.
HnnL ena: [u, ou xopomo o ue ionopu.
Knep Hupne: [ue uyo ionopu o mysie.
HnnL ena: K+o?
Knep Hupne: uyo.
HnnL ena: uyo ue ionopu o mysie, pn ueio ouu iu suiupo.
Knep Hupne: Houo suiupo. Ou muoio ionopu o Moue
HnnL ena: Ho pn ueio o+uomeuun c mysio iu suiupo.
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Knep Hupne: [u, ou i +ecuo cnnsuu c ueo+opimu omnosu+opumu.
HnnL ena: [u, pu, uo ouu oc+unuuci +uuo, o o+opo uyo ue io-
nopu.
Knep Hupne: Emy i noexu+i n Supo+, y ueio iu +ecuie o+uome-
uun c mysiuiuim mupom, xo+i u +uuie.
HnnL ena: [u, pu, pu
Knep Hupne: H ec+i ucmneuue n nupe Sepiu, u mue nopcusu
Hiep-Auppe [Sy+uu]. O+ypu s+o nocxumeuue?.. [u, o+ypu ouo nsnoci?
HnnL ena: 0+o cnnsuuo u c +em, n+o +o-+o npepuu nemy-+o. B ue
suum, nonemy Sepi. Ho n +o e npemn n o+pi, n+o mysiuiuie nupuuuu
pn opec+pu Cymu nupumi, n+o +uoe c+upoc+i ye ue nomuumi
umu. Bupuuuu pn opec+pu
Knep Hupne: uepiu?
HnnL ena: uepiu. Hunomum, n+o em concem uepunuo n noni-
+ucn nic+pou+i s+u nn+uupu+i opec+ponix nupuuu n epuui pnp u o-
uupyu conepmeuuo uenepon+uie nemu.
0+o io +oipu e, oipu n o+pi Sepiu ou i +em, oio n moi i
cymu+i ei peui. Honemy? 0+o +ue nonpoc o+uomeuun seme. Mue-
pu n ysuu uumuoio nose, uo s+o mysiu semu. Y oneui c+upix omnosu-
+opon nync+nye+cn +ecuun cnnsi mysiu c sem, uo +o, u ouu pu+ o cee
suu+i n npousnepeuunx Sepiu u Muepu, npenocxopu+ nce micumie npepe-
i. B uux uunuuum+ snynu+i cui semu, u n Boee. Ho+omy n+o s+o
neuu +ec+, nepi s+o mysiu semu. Beuun puo+u.
Knep Hupne: B ue ec+i pnu puu, +ee noupunucn pu Mupu u
pu
HnnL ena: [n meun mepy puom u necue ec+i cnnsi! uu+une-
cu, s+u mou suuono onpepeuu puuuym npoemy. Ho s+u pnu puu B
uuoipu ue i umu y+omu. opusou+uiui pu, ninymu uup sem
n Boee, u ucom+uo nep+uuiui pu ipuquuu puquuu uu u-
pouecci?.. B ue nomum
Knep Hupne: puquuu.
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HnnL ena: ipuquuu n yy ouu yp+o pne no+uie nepmuui
puu. 0+o +o, n+o meun uu+epecye+, nocoiy n quocoquu +oe ec+i nec-
uu u puu. Kouen+i s+o uuc+onmue necuu n quocoquu, u su+em ci-
mu+cn puu quocoquu. Opuupi Apuc+o+ei ionopu+: Bi poui oc-
+uuonu+icn! Hu ppyio ionopu+: He+, n uuoipu ue oc+uuonmci! Cnu-
uosu: Hu n+o cnocouo +eo? Mi pue ue suuem, uu n+o cnocouo +eo!
0+o u ec+i puu.
Tu n+o o+uomeuun pu-necun uu ouen+-uqqe+ upeu+unui.
[n meun s+o +poiu+eiuie nemu.
P uuu n Professeur (Hpoqeccop)
Knep Hupne: H s+o Hpoqeccop (Hpenopunu+ei) (Professeur).
Tee 64 iopu copo us uux +i nu+u ypci n unec+ne npoqeccopu, cuu-
nuu no qpuuyscux uenx, su+em n yuunepcu+e+e. H cenuc nepni iop, n
+eneuue o+opoio +i oc+unu npenopunuuue.
H pn uunuu: ue ucni+inuemi u +i uexnu+u s+oio, nepi +i ionopu,
n+o nu+uemi ypci c oimum yponoic+nuem, nos+omy, ue cynuemi u +i
no npenopunu+eico pen+eiuoc+u?
HnnL ena: He+, uucoio. [u, ypci iu oneui nuuo nuc+im
moe usuu. B pec+nu+eiuo uucupucn npenopunuuuem. Ho, ypn uu
neucum, n i cnuc+un, nocoiy npenopunuuue io ye ue c+oi npu-
n+uim. 0+o+ nonpoc ypcon necimu npoc+: n nepm, n+o ypci umem+ snunu-
eu+i n ppyiux ouc+nx, ypci s+o uen+o, +peymmee cepisuo nopio-
+onu. Onn+i e, u no muoiux nupux pen+eiuoc+u, pupu nn+u uu mucu-
mym pecn+u muuy+ npoxuoneuun uyuo ninouu+i oimym puo+y, n+oi
noynu+i uxA, ecu +i s+oio ue peuemi
Hos+omy n noun s+o, nceipu +u peu, u mue s+o nceipu upunuoci. B
nceipu muoio io+onucn pupu s+ux momeu+on npoxuoneuun, uo nem oime n
io+onucn, +em opone ouu c+uuonuuci. Tu n+o uuc+u nuc, u nc s+o nepe-
c+uo npuuocu+i mue pupoc+i. B pec+nu+eiuo mu suuumu+icn s+um, uo
meuime c+u n s+om uypu+icn.
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Tenepi y meun ec+i nucimo, o+opoe o+pinue+ ppyiue +uni npoem, u
nos+omy n ue uem, uo mue pec+nu+eiuo upunuoci npenopunu+i.
Knep Hupne: K npumepy, oipu +i ionopumi Muoio io+onucn,
coio s+o suuumuo npemeuu?
HnnL ena: [u, u u nc, s+o noxopuo uu pene+uuu. B +eu+pe, n
nonynpuo necue ec+i pene+uuu, u, ecu +i ue ypemi poc+u+onuo pene-
+uponu+i, ue ype+ u npoxuoneuun. B o+uomeuuu npenopunuuun s+o osuunu-
e+, n+o ue ype+ momeu+on npoxuoneuun, es o+opix cum ypc ue umee+
cmicu.
Knep Hupne: 0+o e ue suunu+, n+o +i pene+uponu nepep sepuom?
HnnL ena: Kouenuo, ue+. B upom nupe pen+eiuoc+u ec+i cnou
cnocoi poc+ueuun npoxuoneuun. 3peci oime nopop+ cono sunomu-
uuuue Tee yp+o n+o-+o npuxopu+ n ioony, u +i nouumuemi, n+o +non
peni uu+epecuu. Onenupuo, n+o, ecu pue e+op ue cnu+ue+, n+o eio peni
uu+epecuu H nou +i ue uunuemi ionopu+i, uenoun+uo, nisinue+ u uu-
+epec u nosypeuue +o, o nm up+ peni. H s+o ue qopmu +mecunun, ue yne-
peuuoc+i n +om, n+o +i yneu+eeu u uu+epeceu s+o nonpoc npepme+u pus-
mimeuun u ucceponuuun, umeuuo ou u poeu i+i yneu+eiuim. H
n+oi s+o npousomo, uyuo uuoipu c+o cen nop+uunu+i. Bonpoc ue
n +om, n+oi cpeu+i npepme+ uu+epecuim, u n ueoxopumoc+u c+umyupo-
nuuun cen, nou +i ue cmoemi ionopu+i o um c su+ysuusmom no+ n+o
+uoe pene+uun.
H+u, n c+u meuime uypu+icn n npenopunuuuu. Mou ypci iu po-
noiuo cneuqunecumu, ypci s+o yi, ocooe npoc+puuc+no-npemn, n
o+opom cynue+cn c+oio nceio. euu mue upunn+cn uumuoio meuime, n
uuoipu ue mu ux, nocoiy ouu suuumum+ muoe npoc+puuc+no-npemn.
A ypc s+o +o, n+o +nue+cn o+ opuo uepeu ppyio. 0+o 0+o npoc+puu-
c+no u oneui cneuqunecun +emnopuiuoc+i, npepnouiummun noceponu-
+eiuie muiu. To ec+i, ueisn npoc+o nsn+i u nepepeu+i nc uu uunu+i su-
uono, ecu n+o-+o ue +u y ypcu cno coc+neuuoe nuy+peuuee pusnu+ue.
H o+ uepeu uepee mpu meunm+cn, no+omy uypu+opun n u+oie nixo-
pu+ ponoiuo moni+uo.
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Knep Hupne: [unu uunum c uunuu. Cuunuu +i npenopunu n ue-
nx. Y +en o uux npun+uie nocnomuuuuun?
HnnL ena: Hy pu, nocoiy +enepi s+o non+u uuneio ue suunu+, no-
coiy nc npoucxopuo n +o npemn, oipu ueu iu concem ppyiumu. B
nouumum B pymum o +ex moopix npenopunu+enx, o+opix ceiopun cuo
o+npunnm+ n ueu. B e npenopunu n uee ncope noce Ocnoopeuun,
oipu nc io uuune.
Knep Hupne: A ipe +i npenopunu?
HnnL ena: B pnyx iopopux n nponuuuu: opuu mue upunucn, ppyio
ue oneui. Amieu n mu, no+omy n+o s+o i cnoopui iopop, oneui o+-
pi+i, +oipu u Opeuu i uumuoio oee c+poium.
B +o npemn npenopunu+em quocoquu o+uocuuci c oimum neu-
opymuem, emy nc npomuu, no+omy n+o ou i npope cymucmepmeio, pepe-
neucoio pypunu. H, u npunuo, ou moi peu+i nc, n+o suxone+. B ynu
cnoux c+ypeu+on c nomomim mysiuiuo nui: n puo+u c ue, u nce cnu-
+uu s+o nnoue uopmuiuim. B ceiopunmuux uenx, pymum, +uoe oime
uenosmouo.
Knep Hupne: Ku +i ynu ux c nomomim mysiuiuo nui? Ku +i
ucnoisonu e n cnom ypce?
HnnL ena: B ucnoisonu e, puccusinun o punix, nepi, u +i
suuemi, uyuo coiuy+i nuy, n+oi usneni sny us puno, u s+o iu
onuponu+eiuie punie, o+opie upunuuci c+ypeu+um. 0+o ye uun-+o
ecouenuun nupuuun [u, uo n uuoipu s+oio ue peu n pumux npoipum-
mi uuunpu+u, +um n i popoconec+uim npenopunu+eem.
Knep Hupne: [ymum, +um +i nc+pe+u Honpeuu.
HnnL ena: Honpeu? [u, uo n suu, n+o Honpeu muoio ny+emec+nye+,
u n Amieue ou oc+unucn ueuupoio. Y ueio i mueuiu nemopuu u oi-
pomui ypuiuu, no+omy n+o ou ue mu uupynuie nuci, u upi
peui ou pu s+o+ ypuiuu c coo uu suun+un. B uuxopu eio onuponu-
+eiuim.
Knep Hupne: A c em +i ppyu u npenopunu+ei uen, ue cnu+un
c+ypeu+on?
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HnnL ena: C npenopunu+enmu iumuuc+uu, mue ouu nceipu oneui
upunuuci, uo n noome nomum oneui muo. Hpenopunu+eicue c +ex nop,
pouo i+i, cuiuo usmeuuuci.
Knep Hupne: C+ypeu+um npenopunu+eicun npepc+unne+cn suiupon-
uim u sonemum mec+om.
HnnL ena: Hy ue+, +um nc+penum+cn pusuie mpu, cepisuie u my+-
uuu. Ho n +ypu npu+unecu ue suxopu.
Knep Hupne: Hoce Amieuu u Opeuuu +i npenopunu n nupucom
uee yu Beuoio uu nopio+onu+eiuom o+peeuuu.
HnnL ena: [u, pu, pu
Knep Hupne: Ti moemi ncnomuu+i c+ypeu+on, o+opie nem-+o o+me-
+uuci uu ue oneui nipenuci? C+ypeu+i, o+opie nipenuci?
HnnL ena: Hec+uo ionopn, couo ncnomuu+i [u, n npunomuuum.
Hucoio n suum, ueo+opie us uux c+uu npenopunu+enmu, uo uu opuu,
uucoio nomum, ue c+u muuuc+pom. Opuu us uux c+u oquepom nou-
uu, uo ue+, +um ue io uuoio ocoeuuoio, nce ouu nomu cnoumu ny+nmu.
Knep Hupne: Toipu opu+umcn iopum, o+opie +i npon n Copou-
ue, u o+opie, cypn no ncemy, connupum+ c iopumu +noeio yneneuun uc+opu-
e quocoquu. 3u+em +i nepem n Beuceu, u s+o i uenoxou u ucm-
nu+eiui oni+ noce Copouui. Hy, u n ue ynomnuyu o uoue, o+opi
i noce Copouui.
HnnL ena: [u, pu
Knep Hupne: Si u +i cnuc+un, c+un npenopunu+eem yuunepcu+e+u,
u ue uen?
HnnL ena: Cnuc+un uenopxopnmee n puuuom cynue cono. 0+o
iu npoc+o uopmuiuun upiepu. B nouuy ue, uo ecu i mue uyuo
io nepuy+icn +ypu, s+o ue io i +puiepue, npoc+o io i nem-+o ue-
uopmuiuim, ueypune; +u n+o nc mo, u nooeuo, es npoem, oi-
me mue ueneio cusu+i.
Knep Hupne: Hunpumep, +i io+onucn yuunepcu+e+cum ypcum uuu-
ne, nem uecum?
HnnL ena: O+umpi ue+, opuuuono.
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Knep Hupne: Opuuuono?
HnnL ena: Acom+uo, n io+onucn uum opuuuono.
Knep Hupne: Hopio+onu n uee iu +uo e uu+eucunuo, u
yuunepcu+e+cun?
HnnL ena: Kouenuo, ouenuo. B mom cynue, uyuo noipyu+icn
n mu+epuu u mu+i +o, o nm ionopumi, u s+o ue npoucxopu+ cumo no cee,
nos+omy uyuo pene+uponu+i, io+onu+icn, miceuuo nc nepeupu+i, ueo-
xopumo uu+u +pm.
H+o necimu suunuo, upi poeu uu+u n+o-+o npope pnepu, nepes
o+opym mouo npo+u, umi c+un n onpepeuuym nosuum.
<3.7=5
Knep Hupne: 3uunu+, +i opuuuono io+onucn ypcum u n uee, u n
yuunepcu+e+e.
HnnL ena: o+onucn opuuuono u n uee, u n yuunepcu+e+e. [n
meun mepy s+umu nupumu ypcon ue io uuuo pusuui. [u, opuuuo-
no.
Knep Hupne: Hocoiy mi ocypuem +nom yuunepcu+e+cym pen-
+eiuoc+i, puccuu o sumu+e cnoe po+opco. Koipu +i e sumumu?
HnnL ena: K momeu+y sumu+i n ye uunucu uecoio uui o+-
nuc+u no+omy, n+o ue xo+e suuununu+i puccep+uum. Huc+i cynu. B
muoio puo+u u opuupi noun, n+o poeu uunucu+i puccep+uum, u s+o
ue +epnu+ o+uiu+eic+n. Tu n+o n npuou mucumym ycuu u uuoue-
+o npepc+unu e; s+o iu opuu us nepnix sumu+ noce mun 68-io.
Knep Hupne: B 1969?
HnnL ena: 1969? [u, pymum, n uunue 1969-io.
B s+om o+uomeuuu cu+yuun pn meun iu ypunuo, no+omy n+o o-
muccun ecnoouuci +oio o opuom: u nponec+u sumu+y u ue nonuc+icn
opuo us +ex mue, n+o pusiyunuu no Copouue. Ouu iu oneui uuny-
iuui, nepi nc npoucxopuo cpusy e noce mucux coi+u 68-io; ouu
puu neio yiopuo.
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Homum, u npepcepu+ei cusu mue: Y uuc pne nosmouoc+u: uo
sumu+u ype+ npoxopu+i uu nepnom s+ue Copouui, npeumymec+no o+opo-
io pnu nixopu, +u n+o omuccun cmoe+ ic+po cpi+icn, uo noxo +o,
n+o "muu" nonnnuci n ocuonuom umeuuo uu nepnom s+ue. Hu mouo
nopun+icn uu n+opo s+u, npeumymec+no o+opoio n +om, n+o "muu"
nc+penum+cn pee, uo noxo +o, n+o +um +oio opuu nixop, u ecu n+o-+o
npousop+, mi ue cmoem uuypu pe+icn. Hos+omy no npemn sumu+i mue
ue ypuoci nc+pe+u+icn nsinpom uu c opuum us neuon omuccuu nce ouu
uunpnuuo cepuu su pnepnmu, ue coupue+cn u +o no+u.
Knep Hupne: K+o i npepcepu+eem omuccuu?
HnnL ena: B ue cuy eio umn, s+o cepe+.
Knep Hupne: B moiu i suc+unu+i +en npusuu+icn.
HnnL ena: He+, ocoeuuo ynu+inun c+pux npepcepu+en n +o+ mo-
meu+, u +ue +o, n+o ou i onuponu+eeu. Ho npepcepu+ei ecnooucn
oime, nem n. 0+o pepoc+i, oipu omuccun ecnoou+cn o sumu+e oime,
nem cum uupupu+.
Knep Hupne: Bepon+uo, +i i oee usnec+eu, nem mo us neuon
omuccuu.
HnnL ena: He+, n ue i +u usnec+eu.
Knep Hupne: 0+u sumu+u iu no Pusunum u non+opeuum?
HnnL ena: [u.
Knep Hupne: Hy, +ee ye npuuecu usnec+uoc+i puo+i o Hpyc+e u
Hume. H+u, npopoum +emy Beuceuu, ecu +ee ueneio cusu+i o uoue
noce Copouui
HnnL ena: He+, ue+, ue+ H+o ucue+cn Beuceuu, +o speci, +i npunu,
oe-n+o usmeuuoci, uo ue n +om, u n io+onu ypci, s+o +o, n+o n uusinum
pene+uue ypcon, ue n c+ue n+euun ypcu.
Hunuuun c Beuceuu, y meun oime ue io c+ypeuneco uypu+opuu.
0+o mue ocoeuuo upunuoci n Beuceue. H +uoio ue io n oc+uiuix yuu-
nepcu+e+ux. Tum nc io no-npeuemy. B Beuceue, uu suun+unx quocoqu-
e, nosmouo, ue no ncem Beuceue iu conepmeuuo uonun uypu+opun,
oime ue coc+onnmun us c+ypeu+on, nmnummun mpe ncex nospuc+on,
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ncex nupon npoqeccuouuiuo pen+eiuoc+u, nmnun pue nuueu+on ncu-
xuu+punecux uuu. 0+o iu +u cumun nc+pun nyuu, uum-+o su-
iuponuim opusom copunmuncn n Beuceue.
To ec+i umeuuo opuonpemeuuoe mucumuiuoe pusuoopusue u om-
uoc+i iu qyuue, pue npopy+om Beuceuu. Ou copu s+y pusuomp-
c+uym +ony n ueoe epuuc+no. H pn meun ouu iu uypu+opue Tuum
opusom, n cpeu ncm cnom upiepy npenopunu+en n Beuceue, u ecu i
meun nnocepc+nuu nepeneu uu ppyio quyi+e+, n i y+pu+u nce cnou
+onu onopi. Koipu n nose inu n ppyiux moux, n yp+o ny+emec+nonu
no npemeuu, yp+o ousinucn n XIX c+oe+uu.
H+u, n Beuceue n npenopunu cmemuuuo uypu+opuu: moopim xypo-
uuum, puo+uuum ncuxuu+puneco cuc+emi, mysiuu+um, uupomuuum,
moopim upxu+e+opum, uuoc+puuum eim nouum cymu+ee, me-
unnmumcn upi iop. B nomum, u nonnuuci nn+i uu mec+i unc+pu-
uen, n pue ue suum, o+ypu, uo uu cepymmu iop ouu ucnesu. Hs iopu
n iop +um ynopuo cupe nnoue, iu muoumepuuui, ueipi 0+o iu
eceuuun u quu+uc+unecun uypu+opun.
Knep Hupne: Bosmouo peo n +om, n+o +i nnepnie ionopu c ue-
quocoqumu
HnnL ena: Houy, pu, nepi +o iu quocoqun, opumuuun u
quocoqum, +u u ue-quocoqum, +u e, u u unonuci opumeuu u
unonucum, +u u ue-unonucum uu mysiu, o+opun ue oipuuununu-
e+cn cneuuuc+umu n ouc+u mysiu. 0+o opuu u +u e mysiu +o+ e
Sepi, +o+ e Se+xoneu opumuuun u uecneuuuc+um n ouc+u mysi-
u, +u u mysiuu+um. [ymum, c quocoque peo pouo oc+on+i +u-
e: ouu pouu i+i opuuuono pn ue-quocoqon u quocoqon. uuo-
coqum, uppeconuuuym ue-quocoqum, cepye+ ynpomu+i ue oime, nem my-
siy Hem mysiy Se+xoneuu pn uecneuuuc+on. H n quocoquu +o e
cumoe. [n meun quocoqun nceipu +peonuu pnouoio ncymunuuun: ue-
quocoqcoio uupunue c quocoqcum. H ecu ouu ue coo+ne+c+nym+ ppyi
ppyiy, +oipu ue+ uuneio. Ses s+oio quocoqun ype+ uunem.
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Knep Hupne: Oncuumi opuy +ouoc+i? Hu ouqepeuuu npuesum+
ue-quocoqi, uo +i ueuunupumi ouqepeuuu.
HnnL ena: [u, n ueuunuy ouqepeuuu, no+omy n+o ouu ucycc+-
neuuie, u +ue us-su +oio, n+o npoucxopu+ po u noce uux. Huoue, n m-
m nu+u+i ypci, no+omy n+o s+o epuuc+neuui cnoco ue ionopu+i, u uu
ouqepeuunx. Bic+yneuue niinpu+ u pen+eiuoc+i pn Ouu ionopn+
po, ionopn+ noce u +u puee, y uux ue+ nuc+o+i, cnoc+neuuo ypcy. Kpo-
me +oio, ouqepeuuu noxou uu up, xo+n ue ucmneuo, n+o ypci +oe
o+nuc+u noxou uu up, uo ouu, no puue mepe, mue upunn+cn u ux mo-
uo yynmu+i. Y ouqepeuu ec+i quimunun c+opouu Mue ue upunn+cn
mpu, o+opie ynuc+nym+ uu npoc+o ionopn+ uu uux: ouu cumom uu+nuy-
+i, cumom npopuui, cumom ue suum. Cumom y+omu+eiui, co-
nom, ueuu+epecui.
Knep Hupne: Bepumcn +noe popoio uypu+opuu n Beuceue, o+o-
pun npepc+unnu coo cmeci esymen, uupomuuon, u +i cusu, o+o-
pie yucuo memuu +ee, nepeunuu, uo +en, nupumo, uuoipu, uuoipu
s+o ue ecnoouo.
Hecmo+pn uu nce s+u nomexu, s+o no-npeuemy i un+opcu ypc, u
uuuue npenn+c+nun ue moiu umu+i eio s+oio ucne+u. Ou nceipu oc+u-
nucn un+opcum.
HnnL ena: Hyuo uu+u ppyioe cono, nocoiy s+o nipueuue
un+opcu ypc uunnsuuo yuunepcu+e+om, uum ueoxopumo ppyioe co-
no.
B puccmu+punum pne ouenuu ypcu: nepnun ipe npepme+ poeu
nisinu+i uemepeuuym peuum uypu+opuu, pn neio ucnoisym+cn nonpo-
ci u nuysi. 0+o eun +pupuun, onpepeuuun ouenun ypcu.
C ppyio c+opoui, cymec+nye+ +u uusinuemun un+opcun ouenun,
ipe ionopu+ +oio npenopunu+ei. He +o, n+oi n npepnonu+u opuy uu
ppyiym, y meun npoc+o ue io niopu y meun i oni+ +oio n+opo
qopmi, +u uusinuemo un+opco ouenuu. Tu n+o uyuo ppyioe
cono.
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0+o oime noxoe uu mysiuiuym ouenum. B cnu+um, n+o mysiy
ueisn npepnu+i, xopomun ouu uu noxun, +oio ecu ouu pec+nu+ei-
uo noxun, uo n oc+uiuix cynunx mysiy ueisn oc+uuununu+i, +oipu
u yc+uym peni eio npepnu+i.
Knep Hupne: Tu n+o e osuunue+ s+u mysiuiuun ouenun ypcu?
HnnL ena: B onupumci uu cno oni+, xo+n n ue y+neppum, n+o s+o
ynmun ouenun, npoc+o +u n nuy nemu.
Hucoio n cepu su cymu+enmu, o+opie iu moe uypu+opue,
+o nuc+o cynuoci +u, n+o +o-+o neio-+o ue nouumu, u s+o npunopuo
ueoemy o+cponeuuomy sqqe+y, u n mysie. He o+opoe npemn +i ue no-
uumuemi, n+o npoucxopu+, uo npoxopu+ +pu uu pecn+i muuy+, u nc c+uuo-
nu+cn ncuim: n+o-+o su s+o npemn cynue+cn. 0+u o+cponeuuie sqqe+i ne-
py+ +omy, n+o cymu+ei moe+, ouenuo, cuunuu uuneio ue nouumu+i, uo
cnyc+n pecn+i muuy+ nc c+uuonu+cn ncuo, s+o u pe+pou+unui sqqe+.
Tu n+o, ecu eio ye npepnuu Ho+omy n cnu+um oc+uuonu c+oi iyni-
mu, u u ueo+opie nonpoci cymu+ee. Ti supumi nonpoc no+omy, n+o
neio-+o ue nouumuemiTu n+o ynme y nopopu+i.
Knep Hupne: Ti cnu+uemi s+u npepinuuun iynimu, no+omy n+o m-
pu ue py+?
HnnL ena: [u, u s+o nepnoe npunuo: ecu +i neio-+o ue nouumu-
emi, nosmouo, +i nommi s+o nnocepc+nuu.
ynmumu c+ypeu+umu iu +e, +o supunu nonpoci uu cepymme ue-
pee. Y meun iu +uun cuc+emu, uu o+opo n ue uuc+uunu, uo ouu o+u-
pinuu sumenuuun po cepymme uepeu n+o n oneui euu, u ionopuu
mue, n+o n poeu nepuy+icn s+omy mec+y. B s+oio ue peu, s+o io ue
ocoeuuo nuuo, uo +uoe oupuuue ec+i cnoco ommyuuuuu.
Ec+i u n+opoe nuuoe npunuo moe ouenuu ypcu: +u u upoe
suun+ue puoci pnu c noonuuo nucu, uu+o ue moe+ cymu+i +u poio.
H pn meun ypc ue i +em, n+o ceponuo i nouumu+i euom. Kypc
s+o mu+epun n pnueuuu, pec+nu+eiuo n pnueuuu, u mysiu. Hyuo
nosnou+i upo ipynne uu o+peiuomy neoney niupu+i umeuuo +o,
n+o um nopxopu+. Hoxo ypc s+o +uo ypc, o+opi uuomy ue nopxo-
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pu+, uo, ouenuo, ue c+ou+ pu+i, n+o nopop+ ucom+uo nc. Tu n+o m-
pnm npuxopu+cn pu+i, u, noun+uo, ueo+opie npu+unecu sucinum+. Ho
nppyi, no uo-+o suiuponuo npunuue, ouu npocinum+cn n +o+ momeu+, o-
ipu ionopu+cn o nm-+o uu+epecymmem ux. He+ suouu, onpepenmmeio, su-
peue+ neoneu uo-+o qpuimeu+. [eo pue ue n uu+epece, u oe n nm
ppyiom.
B upi ypc nupinue+cn nync+no, noponuy nync+no u uu+ee+, u
ecu nync+nu ue+, +o ypc +epne+ cmic, ou ue npepc+unne+ uu+epecu. Tu
n+o s+o ue suunu+, n+o uupo cepu+i su ncem uu cymu+i nc. Hyuo npoc+o
i+i nuumu+eiuim, n+oi pusinpe+i +o, n+o ype+ uu+epecuim +ee un-
uo. Hos+omy mue +u nuuu pusuoopusuun uypu+opun, no+omy n+o n ncuo
omymum, u cmemum+cn qoyci uu+epecu u nepecuunum+ c opuoio uu
ppyioe, opusyn pocomuym +uui, +ec+ypy. Bo+ n+o +i noynuemi.
Knep Hupne: Bc s+o ucue+cn uypu+opuu, uo pn cu+yuuu ouep-
+u +i usop nipueuun non-quocoqun u non-quocoq.
HnnL ena: [u, s+o n u umem n nupy.
Knep Hupne: [u, uo mouo cusu+i, n+o +no ou, nopouo ouy
uyo, i necimu cneuqunuim: n ionopm o +noe mnne, +noux uoi+nx uu
pyux, +nom iooce. Ocosuunu u +i +y muc+unecym uypy, o+opo c+ypeu-
+i opyuu +nom quiypy, nopouo +omy, u ouu muc+uquuponuu uyo
uu iooc Buu? Omymu u +i, n+o y +en ocoi ou u ocoi iooc?
HnnL ena: Kouenuo, nepi n n+euuu ypcu supec+nonuu iooc; cu-
em, quocoqun, o o+opo mi ye ionopuu, npuneue+ u puccmu+punue+
ouen+i nouusupye+ ouen+i. Tu n+o s+o uopmuiuo, +u e, u
ume+i nucimeuui c+ui ouen+on.
uuocoqi ue +e, +o nume+, ue pymun o c+ue uu ue nipuu+inun
eio. Ouu noxou uu xypouuon ouu u ec+i xypouuu. [u, ypc npepno-
uiue+ nouusuum n uemuoio ionopm no-uemeu s+o u peni-
necun (Sprechgesang), onenupuo. Ecu e nc s+o muqooiusupye+cn Bi
nupeu eio uoi+u? u +u puee s+o npoucxopu+ co ncemu npenopunu+en-
mu, pue n uunuiuo moe. opuspo nuuee o+uomeuun mepy ioocom u
ouen+om.
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Knep Hupne: Moe+ i+i, +i ypemi pup ycimu+i, n+o +non mnnu
iu u npuoe nu+ie 0pu+ Huuq, oneui +onuo cxnu+inumme ou.
HnnL ena: B iopyci +em, n+o uuoipu ue uocu e pupu s+oio, uo
ecu ouu nisinue+ +uo sqqe+, +em ynme, o+unuo. ueuomeui nespe
Knep Hupne: Bnne+cn u s+o nuc+im +noe npenopunu+eico pou?
HnnL ena: Huc+im npenopunu+eico pou? He+, s+o ponouu-
+eiui semeu+. Poi npenopunu+en npepnouiue+ +o, o nm n ionopu
puuee: npepnupu+eiuie pene+uuu u opuo miuoneuue npoxuoneuun no+
poi npenopunu+en.
Knep Hupne: Ti uuoipu ue xo+e cospu+i uuuo moi, ume+i yne-
uuon, u s+o+ o+us o+ yneuuon coo+uocu+cn c nem-+o oneui iyoum n +e-
e
HnnL ena: B nonce ue o+usinucn. H noome, s+o pnono: uu+o ue
xone+ i+i moum yneuuom oime, nem n xony ux ume+i. ou s+o
yucuo no oneui npoc+o npunuue: ouu o+uumue+ cumom muoio npemeuu,
ouu npenpumue+ n upmuuuc+pu+opu. Hocmo+pu uu quocoqon, y o+opix ec+i
cnou moi: nu+ieum+euuuui ue cumun unun omnuuun. Xupeiie-
puuui coc+unnm+ moy: cuunuu yucuoe cnepeuue cn+on, puime
nync+no ucmnu+eiuoc+u, no+om nuuuponuuue, upmuuuc+pu+unuun pu-
o+u. B nupe, u opouci ppyi c ppyiom qpuuyscue xupeiiepuuui no
iune c Soqpe u eiiucue xupeiiepuuui no iune c [eneeuom. 0+o
iu nouoonmuuu. Mepsun u muouu+epecuun.
B pymum o ppyiux npunuuux, nepi pue uu yponue umuu i+i upe-
pom moi Hocmo+pu uu uuuu, uuu +oe i upepom moi.
Ho s+o e yucuo, c+oio suo+. Hyuo i+i yepuuim muuuneu-
c+om, n+oi cnpunu+icn co ncem s+um, u unuo n npesupum nc s+o.
Ho moemy mueuum, mou npo+unonoouu pnueuum. Hpoc+o
npumep: cmppeuusm i moo, c nsuumuimu npe+eusunmu, cypumu,
ucmneuunmu u +u puee; e cospu+eem i Auppe Spe+ou. [upu e io
pnueuuem. Ecu i y meun i upeu u s+o ue suunu+, n+o n i ceponu
emy, +o s+o io i ynuc+ue n pnueuuu. [u, npepucuo B pnueuuu, uo
i+i upepom moi ue+cn pn meun ue oneui sunupuo cypio. A
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pnueuue pu Oounu+eiui upeu s+o pnueuue es uux-uo iu-
puu+u u npepnucuuu uu yneuuon, sypnmux ux.
[n meun nuui pne nemu: o+uomeuun, nic+puunuemie co c+ypeu+umu,
poui uuynu+i ux uucupu+icn cnoum opuuonec+nom. Ouu ionopn+: pu-
nu+e uemuoio noecepyem, mi ue moem opuu, mi +u opuuou u +u puee,
nos+omy um u uyui moi. Bc, n+o ouu peum+, pu+ye+cn um nync+nom
opuuonec+nu, +u n+o uyuo uuynu+i ux usneu+i us ueio niiopy, npumu-
pn+i ux c uum. Tuonu mon poi u npenopunu+en.
B+opo ucne+ cnnsuu c npepipymum: nmec+o +oio, n+oi nnopu+i noun-
+un, o+opie i ouc+u+yuponuu moy, n i xo+e cospunu+i noun+un
uu ouen+i, o+opie upyuponuu i no ypcy. He+, ouu i ue c+uuo-
nuuci nem-+o oipeuuim, uo noc+ynuu i n omee pucnopneuue, n+oi
umu mouo io no-pusuomy muuunyuponu+i. Tuoe i npousomo +oio
n cynue, ecu i n opumucn +em uu uuim opuuonum, o+opie no-
cnoemy ucnoisym+ s+u noun+un, ucxopn us cnoux uyp. Tu n+o nce s+u no-
un+un nmnum+cn n pnueuun, u ue moi.
Knep Hupne: [ymuemi u +i, n+o suounuuci spu neuux npoqecco-
pon; cypn no ncemy, peu upy+ ue ynmum opusom?
HnnL ena: Y meun ue+ ocoix upe no s+omy nonopy, nepi n oime
ue npenopum. B ym n yucuoe npemn, u ye +oipu n ue nouumu, u npo-
qeccopu moiy+ no-npeuemy nu+u+i ypci. Ouu nepi ye +oipu npenpu+u-
uci n nuuonuuon.
Hiuemunn nou+uu yuunepcu+e+on nnoue ncuu: yuunepcu+e+ nepe-
c+uue+ i+i mec+om nponepeuun ucceponuuu, nouoc+im noopunmuci
nuc+u uonix pucunuu, o+opie ue umem+ uuneio omeio c yuunepcu+e+-
cumu pucunuuumu.
B men+um o yuunepcu+e+ux, o+opie npopouu i nponopu+i ucce-
ponuuun, u uupnpy c yuunepcu+e+umu pusnunuuci i +exuunecue moi, n
o+opix ynuu i oxopu+icn c nucumu, uuqopmuue u +u puee, u yuu-
nepcu+e+i opumuuci i ninuceuum u uuqopmu+ue +oio uu yponue
ucceponuuu. Mepy +exuuneco moo u yuunepcu+e+om moiu i cy-
mec+nonu+i coiumeuun, n coo+ne+c+nuu c o+opimu mou nociuu i
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cnoux c+ypeu+on cymu+i ucceponu+eicue ypci n yuunepcu+e+e. Ho, o-
ipu ouu nneu mu+epuu, npuuupeumu +uum moum, n yuunepcu+e+,
nc io ouneuo. Tenepi s+o ye ue ucceponu+eicoe npoc+puuc+no ouo
nc oime suuumue+cn ynpuneunecumu sucepuuunmu, sucepuuunmu u
nc+penumu.
Hmeuuo nos+omy n cusu, n+o ue nouumum, u npoqeccop moe+ nop-
io+onu+i ypc; copee nceio, ueo+opie us uux suuumum+cn opuum u +em e
us iopu n iop, uo npoc+o ue io+onn+cn u ue pene+upym+. B moiy omuu+icn,
moe+ i+i, ouu po cux nop cospum+ uonie ypci, +em ynme. Ho +eupeu-
un, u mue ue+cn, +uonu, n+o ucceponuuue yxopu+ us yuunepcu+e+u,
puc++ ounec+no ue+nopnecux pucunuu, ueucceponu+eicux pucun-
uu, u umeuuo s+o n uusinum upun+uue yuunepcu+e+u piuy +pypu. Poi
yuunepcu+e+u ue n upun+uuu piuy +pypu, s+o peo +exuunecux mo.
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Q uuu n Question (Bonpoc)
Knep Hupne: H+u, Q s+o Bonpoc (Question). uuocoqun cy-
u+ cpepc+nom noc+uuonu nonpocon u npoem. H nonpoci cospum+cn, u
+i ionopumi, ue pn +oio, n+oi uu uux o+ne+u+i, u pn +oio, n+oi ux npe-
opoe+i.
Hunpumep, n +nom nouumuuuu npeopoe+i uc+opum quocoqum suu-
nu+ cospu+i uonie nonpoci. Ho speci, n uu+epnim, uu+o ue supu+ +ee no-
npocon. H+o n s+om cynue uyuo peu+i mue u n+o uyuo peu+i +ee, n+oi
npeopoe+i s+o? Cmupu+icn c npuuypu+eiuim niopom? Hy u n nm e
pusuuu mepy nonpocom n CMH u nonpocom n quocoquu?
HnnL ena: Hu s+o +pypuo o+ne+u+i, no+omy n+o B i cusu B
mepuu n oimuuc+ne cynuen uu n pusionopux ue+ uuuux nonpocon, uu-
uux npoem, ec+i +oio onpoci. Ecu n ionopm: Ku peu?, +o s+o ue
ec+i noc+uuonu npoemi, pue ecu y +en ue nc xopomo. Ko+opi
nuc? 0+o ue npoemu. Bc s+o onpoci. mpu pounum+cn cnepeuu. Ecu
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nocmo+pe+i uu +o, n+o oinuo nousinum+ no TB, pue n npepnoou+eiuo
cepisuix nepepunux, +o mi ynupum, n+o s+o cnomuie onpoci. H+o +i
pymuemi o s+om? s+o ue npoemu. 0+o onpoc. 0+o +peonuuue nicusu+i
mueuue. Hmeuuo nos+omy +eenupeuue ue oneui uu+epecuo. Mueuun mpe
ue npepc+unnm+ unoio uu+epecu pn meun.
Ecu +o-+o cnpocu+ meun: Ti nepumi n Soiu?, +o s+o ype+ onpoc.
pe speci npoemu, ipe nonpoc? 3peci ue+ uu +oio, uu ppyioio. H ecu +o-
+o nopuumue+ npoemi n +eenepepunux, o+opix pec+nu+eiuo muoio, +o
npoucxopu+ s+o puue pepo. Hou+unecue +eenepepunu, uu mo nsinp,
ue su+puiunum+ uu opuo npoemi. Ouu i, ouenuo, moiu su+puiunu+i.
Mouo, uunpumep, cnpocu+i: Ku mi qopmyupyem pn cen u+ucu
nonpoc?. Ho s+oio ue npoucxopu+. Oinuo npuiumum+cn cneuuuc+i no
Ku+um, ionopnmue +uoe, n+o mouo io i cusu+i u npoc+o +u, uuneio
o s+om ue suun. Sec+nme! Tu n+o s+o concem ue ux ouc+i.
B nosnpumumci cnoemy npumepy, no+omy n+o ou necimu omupeu. Soi
Kuun npoemu uu nonpoc cnnsuui c Soiom? [eo ue n +om, nepu+ u +o-
+o n Soiu uu ue+, s+o muo omy uu+epecuo. Buuo, n+o umee+cn n nupy, o-
ipu npousuocu+cn cono Soi. 3uunu+ u s+o B ni+umci npepc+unu+i no-
npoci. 0+o moe+ osuunu+i: p+ u nuc cyp noce cmep+u? Honemy s+o
c+uuonu+cn npoemo? Ho+omy n+o yc+uuununue+cn npoemu+uu o+uo-
meuu mepy Soiom u uuc+uuue cypu. Bnne+cn u Soi cypi? [u, s+o
nonpoc. Xopomo, +oipu
B nouium, n+o +o-uuypi moe+ n cnnsu c s+um ncnomuu+i o Hucue.
K+o-+o moe+ pymu+i, n+o Hucui uunucu +ec+ o +om, cymec+nye+ Soi uu
ue+. Yepuui n s+om, ou uunuuue+ nu+u+i eio usnec+ui +ec+ u ouu-
pyunue+, n+o peo concem n ppyiom. Honemy? Ho+omy n+o ou noc+unu ue-
npunuiui nonpoc. Bonpoc Hucun ue n +om, cymec+nye+ Soi uu ue+, s+o
ue io i uu+epecuo, uo n +om, uon uuuynmu cnoco cymec+nonuuun
pn +oio, +o nepu+ n cymec+nonuuue Soiu, u pn +oio, +o n ueio ue nepu+.
Tuo nonpoc Hucun ue uneupye+ cymec+nonuuum uu uecymec+nonu-
uum Soiu. Ou ucue+cn cymec+nonuuun +ex, +o nepu+ n Soiu u +ex, +o nepu+
n +o, n+o Soiu ue+. B cuy pusuix npunuu, pusnunuemix Hucuem, ouu nn-
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nm+cn eio coc+neuuimu, uo ux +ue eio up+uyuponu+i ou cnu+ue+,
n+o +o+, +o nepu+ n cymec+nonuuue Soiu, un+ ynme, ueeu +o+, +o n
ueio ue nepu+. 0+o eio peo, pu. [eo Hucun.
Bo ncm s+om ec+i npoemu, ec+i nonpoc, uo s+o ye ue nonpoc o Soie.
Peni up+ o +om, n+o npepnocxumue+ nonpoci, o ux nsuumuo +puucqopmu-
uu. 0+o o+uocu+cn u Hume, oipu +o+ ionopu+ Soi ymep. 0+o ue +o e,
n+o o+puuuue cymec+nonuuun Soiu. Ecu n cuy Soi ymep, uu uo no-
npoc s+o ype+ yusinu+i, uu +o+ u, o+opi noppusymenue+cn, oipu iono-
pn+ Soi ue cymec+nye+? Hu+un Hume, mouo sume+u+i, n+o eio ue ecno-
ou+ cmep+i Soiu. Ou c+unu+ ppyio nonpoc n cnnsu c s+um: ecu Soi mp+n,
+oipu ue+ ocuonuuu o+puu+i +o, n+o ymep u neone, n+o uyuo uu+u n+o-
+o nomumo ueio u +u puee. Hume uu+epeconuu ue cmep+i Soiu, u npume-
c+nue oio-+o uu cmeuy neoney.
Bo+ n+o +uoe ucycc+no nonpocon u npoem, u n nouium, n+o ouo i
moio nonnu+icn uu +eenupeuuu uu n ppyiux mepuu, uo s+o i i puue
cneuuiui qopmu+ nepepunu, n ocuone o+opo nooeuu uc+opun npo-
em u nonpocon. B cnoux noncepuenuix pusionopux, u u n CMH, mpu oc-
+um+cn uu yponue onpocon.
C+ou+ +oio nsinuy+i uu B moiy opu+u+icn Kouenuo, no+omy n+o
s+o nouy+ +oio noce moe cmep+u moy Huc uc+uui. B um ue+
uuuux uc+uu, ouo nouoc+im coc+ou+ us onpocon. Mupum Bui, ni ne-
pu+e n Enpony?. [u. H+o s+o suunu+: Bepu+e n Enpony? Sio i uu-
+epecuo, ecu i oio-+o cnpocuu: Kuonu npoemu Enponi?
Hpoemu Enponi, xopomo, n cuy +ee o s+om, +u n cmoiy nipusu+i
cno npepoc+epeeuue. Ku u n cynue c Ku+uem, ouu noc+onuuo pymum+ o
nopio+one oepuueuum Enponi, npunepeuum e epuuomy c+uupup+y,
onpumunum+ ppyi ppyiu o s+om, o +om, u yuuquuponu+i cuc+emy c+puxo-
nuuun u +u puee. A no+om uu nomupi Coiucun nixopu+ muuou neo-
ne. O+oncmpy us ouupuu, epmuuuu u +u puee; nce ux onpoci uuu
ue moiy+ nomoni ou+pouponu+i npoucxopnmee. Ouu opumum+cn cne-
uuuc+um, o+opie poui cusu+i um, nonemy uu nomupu Coiucun
c+oio iouupen. 0+o cynuoci, no+omy n+o u +u puee. Ouu oxo-
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pn+ peuiuie nonpoci, o+opie ueoxopumo supunu+i. To, n+o n cusu, uu-
nepuoe, uecoio ny+uuo
Knep Hupne: He+, ue+, +i no+, uunpumep, puuime ume eepuenuym
npuniny nu+u+i iuse+i, uo, ue+cn, +i oime ue nu+uemi uu e
Moup, uu uepuciou. Ec+i u +o-+o n cqepe npecci uu ppyiux mepuu,
+o ue supu+ nonpocon
HnnL ena: Ox, n ue suum. Y meun c+uo uumuoio meuime npemeuu.
Knep Hupne: nisinummux y +en o+npumeuue.
HnnL ena: [u! Hocymu B nync+nym, n+o c+u nc meuime u
meuime neio-+o ysuunu+i. B io+on ynu+icn muoiomy, +u u mi uuneio ue
suuem. Ho pus iuse+i uuneio ue ionopn+, +o, n+o c s+um mouo nopeu+i?
Knep Hupne: Ho +i ncnu pus cmo+pumi nenepuue uonoc+u
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Knep Hupne: Ti, uunpumep, nceipu cmo+pumi nenepuue uonoc+u, s+o
epuuc+neuuoe +eemoy, o+opoe +i uuoipu ue nponycuemi. Ho nceipu u y
+en ec+i nonpoc, o+opi ue moiy+ cqopmyuponu+i mepuu?
HnnL ena: B ue suum s+oio, ue suum.
Knep Hupne: Ti, noxoe, pymuemi, n+o uu nonpoci ueisn o+ne+u+i.
HnnL ena: Bonpoci? [u, n pymum, n+o no ime nuc+u uu nonpo-
ci o+ne+u+i uenosmouo.
Ecu +i nosimmi uc+opum c [Hoem] Tynie, +o +um +i ue cmoemi su-
pu+i nonpoc n niupum n+o-+o, cynunmeecn concem uepunuo. Ouu upec+o-
nuu Tynie, pu. Ho nonemy umeuuo cenuc? Koipu nce cnpumunum+: Honemy
puuime ou i sumumu?, nce nouumum+, n+o +um iu pusunuie muxu-
uuuu. Ou i uuqopmuuouuim pupe+opom, ou oupu uuqopmuue o
nonepeuuu ynuuemix u n Hepnu no npemn noui. Bce s+o suum+. Ku-
pi suue+, n+o y Tynie ec+i +uun uuqopmuun, uo uu+o ue supu+cn nonpo-
cumu. 0+o cnoeio popu ouceucyc, coiumeuue, coiucuo o+opomy npoc+ie
onpoci +unu Ku peu? suuumum+ mec+o npoem u nonpocon. To ec+i, xo-
pomo 0+o+ mouuc+ipi nomoiu emy cpinu+icn. Honemy? H +u puee.
Bce suum+, n+o s+o ue uuc+onmu nonpoc. Tu, n ue suum
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Bce suum+ Hosnoi mue npunec+u em opuu uepunuu npumep, u-
cummucn peqopmu+opon o+ npunoio nou+unecoio piu u ux nou+une-
coio unnupu+u. Bce suum+, n+o su s+um c+ou+, uo iuse+i uuneio uum ue co-
omum+. B ue suum, n npoc+o o s+om ionopm, uo mue ue+cn, n+o npunie
peqopmu+opi c+unn+ oneui uu+epecuym npoemy. 0+u nupuu ue +o, n+oi
ouu iu ocoeuuo moopi, uo ux npoemu s+o noni+u peopiuuusonu-
uu semeu+on nup+uuoio unnupu+u, o+opi nceipu eu+puusonucn no-
pyi Hupuu. B nuc+uoc+u, peqopmu+opi xo+n+ peiuouuiuo uesunucumo-
c+u. 0+o n+o-+o puue uu+epecuoe, uo uu+o ue opumue+ nuumuuun uu s+o+
ucne+ B cnnsu c enponecum nonpocom, ouu xo+n+ cospu+i Enpony ue uu-
u, u peiuouon. Ouu xo+n+ cospu+i nopuuuoe peiuouuiuoe u mepeiuo-
uuiuoe epuuc+no, u ue uuuouuiuoe u uu+epuuuouuiuoe. Cenuc s+o
npoemu, c o+opo opuupi c+ouy+cn couuuc+i npoemu mepy
peiuouuiuimu u uu+epuuuouuiuimu +eupeuunmu.
Ho nup+uuie opiuuusuuu, +o ec+i nponuuuuiuie qepepuuu, nc
em coo+ne+c+nym+ c+upomy nopxopy, o+opi eu+pupye+cn nopyi Hupuu.
H s+o+ nopxop npopoue+ uipu+i cymec+neuuym poi. H+u, oucepnu+un-
uie peqopmu+opi s+o uu+unouucoe pnueuue, o+opoe copo nosuu-
ue+ u n cpepe enix. Ouu poui ionopu+i o s+om, uo uu+o s+oio ue peu-
e+. Ouu o+usinum+cn, no+omy n+o +uum opusom pusounu+ cumux cen.
Ceponu+eiuo, ouu ypy+ ynuc+nonu+i +oio n onpocux. A onpoci s+o uu-
n+o, s+o npoc+o pusionopi. 0+o eccmiceuuo. Pusionopi, onpoci nc s+o
eccmiceuuo. 3u pepumu ucmneuunmu, +eenupeuue oxnuneuo pucyc-
cunmu, onpocumu. 0+o ecnoesuo. 0+o pue ue nonpoc npepuumepeuuoio
omuuu, s+o npoc+o eccopepu+eiuoc+i, nenyxu.
Knep Hupne: B meuimu on+umuc+, nem +i, uo mue ue+cn, n+o cy-
mec+nym+ ucmneuun. Hunpumep, Auu Ceuep. B cnoe ypuuuc+co
npu+ue ouu supu+ nonpoci, u ue nponopu+ onpoci.
HnnL ena: Xopomo, s+o e peo. B ynepeu, n+o ouu ponoiuu coo
[u, ouenuo, s+o e peo.
Knep Hupne: Ti uuoipu ue npuuumu npuiumeuun uu +eemoy n o+-
unue o+ uyo uu Ceppu. Ti o+iopopucn o+ mupu, u See+? Ti ueuunu-
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pumi +eenupeuue? Honemy +i ue ynuc+nyemi n +eemoy? Hs-su nceio nepe-
nuceuuoio?
HnnL ena: Y meun uu s+o ec+i o+ne+ uumu ecepu, ouu ype+ nou-
suuu no +eenupeuum. A o npunuuux, us-su o+opix n ue npuuumum npuiu-
meuun, n ye ionopu: n ue xony pusionupunu+i u n+o-+o ocypu+i c mpi-
mu. B +epne+i ue moiy onpoci, ouu ue npepc+unnm+ pn meun uu+epecu. H
pucyccuu, cnopi o nm-uo, ocoeuuo oipu uu+o ue suue+, uun npo-
emu ype+ ocypu+icn.
B nepuyci moemy npumepy c Soiom: s+o npoemu uecymec+nonuuun
Soiu, cmep+u Soiu, cmep+u neoneu, cymec+nonuuun Soiu uu cymec+nonu-
uun +ex, +o nepu+ n Soiu? H +u puee. Bc s+o oneui suny+uuuo u y+omu-
+eiuo. Koipu nce ionopn+ no onepepu s+o pomumunn usui n nuc+om nupe,
ipe ec+i upuo+, o+opi ncem sunpunne+. uoc+i, uoc+i
Knep Hupne: unuoe, n+o +i ceiopun o+nenuemi uu uumu cpomuie
onpoci.
HnnL ena: Toio npu yconuu, n+o s+o ype+ nousuuo noce moe
cmep+u!
R uuu n Resistance (Conpo1nnnenne)
Knep Hupne: R s+o Conpo+uneuue (Resistance), ue peuiun.
HnnL ena: [u
Knep Hupne: Ti ionopu n uepunue euu n Le Fmis, n+o quoco-
qun cospu+ ouen+i. H oipu s+o npoucxopu+, ouu +em cumim nipuue+
conpo+uneuue. Xypouuu, uuemu+oipuquc+i, mysiuu+i, mu+emu+uu,
quocoqi nce ouu conpo+unnm+cn. Ho nemy umeuuo ouu conpo+unnm+-
cn?
[unu puccmo+pum nc no nopnpy. uuocoqi cospum+ ouen+i, uo
cospu+ u ouen+i uuyu?
HnnL ena: He+. 0+o, copee, nponcueuue nonpocon eu. Ho+omy
n+o, ecu mi coiumuemcn supenu+i +epmuu ouen+ su quocoque, +o
pn uuyu mi poui onpepeu+i ppyioe cono. Heisn cusu+i, n+o pen+e-
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u ucycc+nu cospum+ ouen+i. Xypouuu u omnosu+opi ue cospum+
ouen+on. Ouu cospum+ n+o-+o uuoe. Tu u pn uuyu ueoxopumi ppyiue
conu.
[unu cuem, uunpumep, n+o ynui s+o +o+, +o cospu+ qyu-
um. B ue ionopm, n+o s+o snynu+ uuuynmum opusom ynui cospu+
qyuum uo s+o pec+nu+eiuo npoucxopu+. Cospuuue uonix qyuu.
0um+eu u uyu nipummuecn mu+emu+uu, uo ue +oio mu+emu+uu
cospum+ qyuuu: qusuu, uooiu nce ouu cospum+ qyuuu.
H+u u e s+o npepc+unne+ coo conpo+uneuue? Ku cospu+cn
conpo+uneuue y nceio s+oio? eine nceio opu+u+icn ucycc+ny, +u u
uuyu uuxopu+cn n oee ueonpepeuuom nooeuuu, u u uuo: +u muo-
io npoem c opiuuusuue, quuuucuponuuuem u +u puee, n+o conpo+un-
euue Ho neuue ynuie +ue cospum+ uemuoe conpo+uneuue. Mouo
ncnomuu+i 0um+euu, muoec+no qusuon u uooion, s+o onenupuo. Cuu-
nuu ouu opm+cn npo+un uunnsinuemix uu+epecon u npo+un +eupeuu
omec+neuuoio mueuun, +o ec+i npo+un nce s+o cqepi upuo+cux onpocon.
Y uux pec+nu+eiuo ec+i cui, n+oi +peonu+i cno pu+m, ux uenosmouo
suc+unu+i cpeu+i n+o-+o npepenpemeuuo, u u uenosmouo +oponu+i xy-
pouuu. Hu+o ue umee+ npunu +oponu+i xypouuu.
Ho n pymum, n+o 3peci cospu+cn conpo+uneuue us-su Mue ue+-
cn Hosnoi mue puccusu+i o un+ope, uuiy o+opoio n uepunuo npon.
Ou nonun uu mou nsinpi, ucummuecn puuuo npoemi. B ynepeu, n+o
opuum us nuuemux mo+unon n ucycc+ne u mimeuuu nnne+cn mo+un
c+ipu i+i neoneom. B pymum, n+o nucu+ei u xypouu, o+opi ni-
pusu s+o uuuoee iyoo, Hpumo enu.
Ou cyme puccusu+i o s+om c+ipe n oneui iyoo uuie, o+opym ou
uunucu noce cnoeio nosnpumeuun us [uuuc+cux] ouuiepe. enu io-
nopu: [u, oipu n i ocnoopu, +o npeoupummum nync+nom y meun
i ''c+ip i+i neoneom". 0+o nicusinuuue, uu mo nsinp, npoc+o
pocomuoe, oneui pucunoe, u s+o uuuun ue uc+puun, speci nc oneui
oupe+uo C+ip i+i neoneom.
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Ho speci moiy+ i+i u ouie +oonuuun. 0+o nonce ue osuunue+, n+o
mi nce yui u mi nce nuuonui. Buuonui, uunpumep, n uuuc+cux npe-
c+yneuunx. Hpumo enu ue ionopu+ o +om, n+o ue+ pusuui mepy nuunu-
mu u ep+numu. Mi ue poui n s+o nepu+i. Ec+i muoec+no mpe, o+o-
pie y+neppum+, n+o mi nce nuuonui. He+, ue+, ue+, speci peo n ppyiom.
Mi ue moem o+opec+nn+i nuunu c ep+no. C+ip i+i neoneom ue
noppusymenue+, n+o mi nce opuuuoni, comnpome+uponuui. 0+o osuunue+
uecoio neme. 0+o oneui couoe nync+no, ue epuuoe.
Bo-nepnix, nosuuue+ nonpoc: Ku moiu mpu ueo+opie mpu, ue
n peu+i +o, n+o ouu peuu? Bo-n+opix: Ku n cum, +em ue meuee, npu-
un s+y nosuum? B ue i nuunom, uo nc e nipu nosuum, o+opun
nosnouu mue niu+i. H n s+om u coc+ou+ c+ip n +om, n+o n niu n +o
npemn, oipu mou ppysin ymepu. Tu n+o s+o couoe, omuuuponuuuoe
nync+no nync+no c+ipu i+i neoneom.
H mue ue+cn, n+o n ocuone nceio ucycc+nu eu+ s+o unoe nync+no,
o+opoe +i ucni+inuemi, oipu ucycc+no ocnoopue+ usui, o+opym
mpu npenpu+uu n +mpimy. mpu ue nepec+um+ supenomu+i u yuun+ou+i
cnou usuu o+cmpu c+ip i+i neoneom. Xypouu s+o +o+, +o oc-
noopue+ usui, ucnoueuuym cu, +y usui, o+opun oime eio usuu.
Knep Hupne: H+u, n nosnpumum +en +eme xypouuu u conpo+un-
euun, pou c+ipu i+i neoneom u ucycc+nu ocnoopeuun usuu us
s+o +mpimi c+ipu, o+opoe cymec+neuuo o+unue+cn o+ npoeccu cyumu-
uu. To ec+i, ucycc+no nnne+cn nem-+o uuimPeuiuim conpo+uneuuem.
HnnL ena: He+, ue concem +u. Ty+ peo n o+peeuuu ucycc+nu o+
usuu, e ocnoopeuuu, u s+o ue nnne+cn nem-+o uc+pu+uim.
H+o +uoe neuu u+epu+ypui nepcouu? Beuu nepcouu ue su-
umc+nye+cn us peuiuo usuu. upmc s+o ue [Poep pe] Mou+ecim. Ho
s+o u ue npoc+o popymuuuun ec+nmum noopueuuem Hpyc+u quiypu pe-
uiuoio Mou+ecim. Ty+ peo n uux-+o sunpepeiuix usueuuix cuux,
o+opie moiy+ npunec+u nemy yiopuo.
B u+epu+ypuom nepcouue cxopn+cn eie mupi. 0+o cnoeio popu uc-
nouu, npeyneuneuue no o+uomeuum usuu, uo ue no o+uomeuum uc-
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ycc+ny, +u u ucycc+no s+o u ec+i npousnopc+no nopouix npeyneune-
uu, u cumo ux cymec+nonuuue ye u ec+i conpo+uneuue. Mi moem opu-
+u+icn +eme, nopun+o n u+epe A u+ nucimu nceipu cnnsuu c uno+-
uim: nucu+ei peue+ pupu uno+uoio +o, n+o ouo cpeu+i i ue cmoio
ou nume+, ocnoopue+ usui. Ocnoopue+ usui us uumu e u cospuuuix
+mpem. 0+o u ec+i conpo+uneuue. B ue suum Hmeuuo s+o u peum+ xypo-
uuu, uu mo nsinp. He cymec+nye+ ucycc+nu, o+opoe i ue ocnoopuo
usueuuie cui. He cymec+nye+ ucycc+nu cmep+u.
Knep Hupne: Ho nc e uuoipu ucycc+nu uepoc+u+onuo. Hpumo enu
nose noounu usui cumoyuc+nom.
HnnL ena: Ou noounu unuo c coo [u, pu Ou ue cmoi oi-
me s+o +epne+i, ou npepnu cnom coc+neuuym, unuym usui. Ho nc e
ec+i ne+ipe, pneuupu+i uu co+un c+puuu eio npousnepeuu, o+opie uu-
nceipu oc+uuy+cn conpo+uneuuem, +u u ec+i. Hpuee
B ionopm o c+ipe i+i neoneom, uo ye ue +oio o +om ipuupuos-
uom nync+ne Hpumo enu, nouumuemi? Kupi moe+ cusu+i n+o-+o o
s+om, y upoio us uuc n usuu cynum+cn coi+un, o+opie nisinum+ y
uuc nync+no c+ipu i+i neoneom. Mi nnnemcn cnupe+enmu ceu, o-
ipu +o-+o nep+ cen cumom ipyo uu nisinumme. Mi ue npupum s+o-
my ocooio suuneuun, uo mi oiopnuemcn. 3u ppyiux, su cen, no+omy n+o mi
non+u noppepunuem s+o.
3peci mi cuonu upm uu cnoeio popu omnpomucc. Ho ecu mi nic+ynu-
em npo+un, ionopn: To, n+o ni cusuu iuycuo u o+npu+u+eiuo, +o nos-
uuue+ oimun ppumu, u no+ mi ye nomuui, u mi nync+nyem uo s+o,
ouenuo, uecpunuumo c Aymnuem mi nync+nyem pue uu cumom nonepx-
uoc+uom yponue, n+o uum c+ipuo i+i neoneom. Ecu s+oio nync+nu ue+,
+o ue+ u npunuui cospunu+i ucycc+no. 0+o Xopomo, mue oime ueneio
pounu+i s+omy.
Knep Hupne: [u, uo oipu +i +nopumi, +nopumi u xypouu, nc
npemn u +i nync+nyemi s+u onucuoc+u, o+opie opyum+ +en, o+opie
noncmpy?
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HnnL ena: [u, ouenuo, pu, n quocoquu +uun e cu+yuun. Ku
ionopu Hume, quocoqun uuuocu+ ymep iynoc+u, conpo+unne+cn e.
Ecu i quocoquu ue io ueo+opie mpu nuncuunum+: O pu, quo-
coqun xopomu pn noceoepeuuix ecep mi i pue ue cmoiu npep-
c+unu+i, uoio yponun poc+uiu i iynoc+i. uuocoqun npenn+c+nye+ pus-
puc+uuum iynoc+u po +ex pusmepon, o+opix i ouu poc+uiu, ecu i qu-
ocoquu ue cymec+nonuo. B s+om u coc+ou+ e ocooe neunue.
Tue mi ue moem npepc+unu+i, uumu i nomimu iu mpu, ec-
u i ue io ucycc+nu. Koipu mi ionopum +nopu+i suunu+ conpo+un-
n+icn, +o s+o nepuo, no-moemy. Mup ue i i +uum, ecu i ue ucycc+-
no. mpu i s+oio ue niuecu. H +y+ peo pue ue n +om, nu+um+ ouu quo-
coqcue uuiu uu ue+. Cumo cymec+nonuuue quocoquu oxpuune+ mpe o+
o+yneuun, o+opoe i ueuseuo npousomo, ecu i quocoquu ue cyme-
c+nonuo.
Knep Hupne: Koipu mpu sunnnm+ o cmep+u micu, cmep+u uuo,
cmep+u u+epu+ypi ue ue+cn u +ee s+o npoc+o my+o?
HnnL ena: He+ cmep+e, ec+i +oio yuc+nu s+o ponoiuo npo-
c+o. Bosmouo, uuo u ype+ opuupi yu+o, uo s+o ue ype+ ec+ec+neuuo
cmep+im no opuo npoc+o npunuue: nou ue cymec+nye+ uuneio, n+o moe+
nsn+i uu cen qyuum quocoquu, quocoqun ype+ ume+i nce ocuonuuun
pn cnoeio cymec+nonuuun. Ho ecu n+o-+o em nosim+ uu cen qyuum
quocoquu, +o n concem ue nuy, nem s+o moe+ i+i, pome cumo quo-
coquu.
Ecu mi ionopum, npumepy, n+o quocoqun coc+ou+ us cospuuun ou-
en+on u nocpepc+nom s+oio ope+cn c iynoc+im, +o u +oipu ouu moe+
ymepe+i? uuocoqun moe+ ume+i peo c npenn+c+nunmu, c eusypo, ouu
pue moe+ i+i yu+u, uo ymepe+i ouu ue moe+. Cmep+i quocoquu nce-
ipu npepc+unnuci mue upuo+co upee. H +y+ peo ue n +om, n+o n cnnsuu
c quocoque. B oneui pup, n+o ouu ue ymupue+. Hn ue concem nouumum, n+o
s+o suunu+ cmep+i quocoquu. Kue+cn, n+o s+o npoc+o pypuun u cu-
moponoiuun upen, npu nomomu o+opo po uuc xo+n+ pouec+u mici o +om,
n+o npousomu oe-uue usmeueuun
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Tue nosuuue+ nonpoc: n+o npup+ uu cmeuy quocoquu? C nomomim
neio ypy+ cospunu+icn ouen+i? K+o-+o moe+ cusu+i mue, n+o ue uupo
oime cospunu+i ouen+i, nyc+i noupu+cn iynoc+i o+unuo, upuo+i,
o+opie xo+n+ quocoqc+nonu+i. Ho +o ype+ cospunu+i ouen+i? Hu-
qopmu+uu? Peumuie uieu+i, noopyunmuecn conom ouen+? O+-
unuo, y uuc ypy+ peumuie ouen+i, n o+opix ouen+ s+o
mupu unmu. Ouu ue pucym+ ouypuponu+i c quocoque no+omy n+o,
no-moemy, cono ouen+ ue ucnoisye+cn ye n npeuem suuneuuu.
Ho ceiopun peumu nosuuouupye+ cen u pec+nu+eiuoio npo+un-
uuu quocoquu, +u u ouu ionopu+ uum: mi, peummuu, usope+uem
ouen+i. Ho s+o ouen+, nipnuuy+i uuqopmu+uo, omnim+epumu.
H ponoiuo suunuo, n+o ouu nc s+o uusinum+ ouen+om. Mi ue po-
ui o s+om ecnoou+icn.
Knep Hupne: Mouo u cusu+i, n+o +i nmec+e c ueucom u uyo
cospumi ce+u ouen+on u ueue ce+u conpo+uneuun, u mumuuy no-
ui npo+un pomuuupymmeio peumu micu, uuuiuoc+e u omux mec+?
HnnL ena: [u, nonemy ue+? Sype+ spopono, ecu s+o u npunpu +u. B
mom cynue, ce+i s+o epuuc+neuuoe Ecu ue cospu+cn +u uusinuemun
mou s+u moi, uu mo nsinp ue nnnm+cn nem-+o xopomum ec-
u ue cospu+cn mou, +o u pus oc+u+cn +oio peum ce+e, peum
coynuc+u.
Kouenuo, n+o-+o nopouoe cymec+nye+ n upo snoxe, ypi +o pomuu-
+usm, uunpumep, uemeu pomuu+usm uu pomuu+usm noome, s+o nc ce-
+u. To, n+o mi uusinuem pupuusmom, +oe nnne+cn ce+im. H n yepu, n+o
+uue ce+u ec+i u cenuc.
Knep Hupne: Bnnm+cn u s+u ce+u ce+nmu conpo+uneuun?
HnnL ena: Hs-su cnoeio coc+neuuoio cymec+nonuuun. Husuuneuue
ce+u coc+ou+ n +om, n+oi conpo+unn+icn u +nopu+i.
Knep Hupne: Hunpumep, +i opuonpemeuuo usnec+eu u ueusnec+eu,
mouo ionopu+i o noun+uu nopnoin, o+opoe +ee upunu+cn.
HnnL ena: B ue cnu+um cen usnec+uim. Hpepc+unu+eem nopno-
in n cen +oe ue cnu+um. B xo+e i i+i uesume+uim. Ho ec+i muoio
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mpe, o+opie xo+eu i i+i uesume+uimu. 0+o nonce ue osuunue+, n+o n
ue us uux Si+i uesume+uim s+o npepucuo, no+omy n+o 0+o nonpoc, o-
+opi cnnsuu c unuo usuim. B xony ninoun+i cnom puo+y, xony, n+oi
mpu ue ecnoouu meun, ue +pu+uu nnyc+ym mo npemn.
H n +o e npemn n, ouenuo e, xony nupe+i mpe, n uypumci n m-
pnx, u u mo neone, n mm mpe. Ec+i ueoimun ipynnu mpe,
o+opix n xony nupe+i. Ho oipu n ux nuy, +oi ue xony us s+oio cospunu+i
pue cumym uesuunu+eiuym npoemy. Hpoc+o ume+i uesume+uie o+uome-
uun c uesume+uimu mpimu s+o cumoe npepucuoe, n+o ec+i n s+om mupe.
Mouo cusu+i, n+o mi nce moeyi, ueun moeynpuun ce+i.
Knep Hupne: Ec+i u n +noe quocoquu uun-uo c+pu+eiun? Hpu-
pepunucn u +i onpepeuuo c+pu+eiuu, oipu, uunpumep, puo+u uup
cnoe uuio o euue?
HnnL ena: B pymum, n+o s+o sunucu+ o+ +oio, n+o noppusymenu+i nop
s+um conom. B pymum, n+o uu+o ue nume+ es onpepeuuo ueoxopumo-
c+u. Ecu ue+ ueoxopumoc+u nucu+i uuiy, +o ec+i cuiuoio nync+nu ueo-
xopumoc+u y +oio, +o s+y uuiy nume+, +o +oipu ynme e ue nucu+i.
Hos+omy, oipu n nucu o euue, s+o io ueoxopumo pn meun.
Honemy? Ho+omy n+o pn meun uuc+u momeu+ cumom poio oncun+i,
nonemy umeuuo noionopu+i o cupe. He o cumom euue, uo o cup-
e. H n cynue co cupo ousuoci +u, n+o s+u +emu iyoo cnnsuuu c
euuem. Ho uyuo cusu+i, n+o upen uunucuuun upo moe uuiu uc-
xopuu us oc+po ueoxopumoc+u, +penoume meun n pusuie nepuopi.
Knep Hupne: Ho nomumo ueoxopumoc+u, niuypumme +en nucu+i,
n umeu n nupy +no nosnpumeuue quocoquu u uc+opuu quocoquu.
Hoce uui o uuo u +uux uui, u Ticnnu nu+o u Au+u-0pun. Ec+i
u speci
HnnL ena: He+ uuuoio nosnpumeuun quocoquu, umeuuo no-
s+omy n ye o+ne+u puuime uu +no nonpoc. B ue nucu uuiy o euue, u
opumucn uemy umi us-su +oio, n+o pn meun uuc+u momeu+ usynu+i
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B suuumumci uc+opue quocoquu +oio +oipu, oipu ucni+inum n
s+om no+peuoc+i, +o ec+i oipu n uccepym noun+ue, o+opoe ye cnnsuuo c
uum-uo quocoqom. Koipu n c+puc+uo nonenu n ucceponuuue noun-
+un nipueuue, n numy uuiy o Cnuuose, no+omy n+o Cnuuosu s+o qu-
ocoq, o+opi ucceponu s+o noun+ue uu npesninuuo nicoom yponue.
Koipu n nc+pe+ucn c noun+uem cupu, io cumo coo pusymemmumcn
opu+u+icn euuy. Cenuc inue+, n+o n c+uunumci c +uumu noun-
+unmu, o+opie ue o+cium+ +nopnec+ny uoio-uo quocoqu, n s+om
cynue n ue suuumumci uc+opue quocoquu. Ho n ue nuy uuuo pusuu-
i mepy uunucuuuem uuiu o uc+opuu quocoquu u quocoqco uu-
io noome, +u n+o n cepym cnoum coc+neuuim ny+m.
S uuu n Style (C1nnL)
Knep Hupne: H+o +uoe c+ui? B [uuoiux +i ionopu, n+o c+ui
s+o cnoc+no, npucymee umeuuo +em un+opum, o o+opix ionopn+, n+o y uux
ue+ c+un. Ecu mue ue usmeune+ numn+i, peni mu o Suisue. Tu n+o e
s+o +uoe c+ui?
HnnL ena: Oio, s+o uenpoc+o nonpoc!
Knep Hupne: [u, umeuuo nos+omy n supuu eio +u ic+po!
HnnL ena: Hocymu, no+ n+o n +ee cuy: n+oi noun+i, n+o +u-
oe c+ui, ynme nceio uuneio ue suu+i o uuinuc+ue. uuinuc+uu npu-
nuuuu muoio npepu. Honemy? Ho+omy n+o cymec+nye+ onnosuun u uyo
oneui +onuo s+o nousu cymec+nye+ onnosuun u opuonpemeuuo pono-
ueuue uuinuc+uu u u+epu+ypi. Hecmo+pn uu omenpuun+oe mueuue, ouu
nonce ue coo+ne+c+nym+ ppyi ppyiy. Ho+omy n+o uuinuc+uu nceipu nocnpu-
uumue+ nsi u cuuucuponuuuym cuc+emy. Ceponu+eiuo, us ueio mo-
uo cpeu+i uuyy. A nce oc+uiuoe nupuuuu, o+opie ye ue uu c+opoue
nsiu, uo uu c+opoue penu.
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Koipu +o-+o nume+, ou o+unuo nouumue+, n+o +uoe nsi s+o, uu cu-
mom pee, cuc+emu, o+opun, u cusuu i qusuu, no npupope puun o+
punuonecun, o+opun noc+onuuo uuxopu+cn n uepunuonecuom coc+onuuu. Tu
n+o Bsi u peni uuxopn+cn uu opuom u +om e yponue, uo nsi cospu+cn
ncemu nupumu ie+epoieuuix no+oon, uepunuonecuix no o+uomeuum ppyi
ppyiy.
Tu n+o e +uoe c+ui neuoio un+opu? B pymum, co c+uem cnnsuui
pnu momeu+u nupumi, n o+nenum n+o, ic+po u n+o, uo mue c+ipuo,
no+omy n+o mi nc em uu nopc+ynux s+o +eme mue ue+cn, n+o c+ui
coc+ou+ us pnyx omnoueu+on: opuu nopnepiue+ nsi, uu o+opom ionopn+ u
numy+, onpepeuuo opuo+e. Ho ue ucycc+neuuo, ocosuuuuo, u +u-
o, o+opun mouusye+ nc: nom un+opu, eio euuun, c+puc+u, uypi,
no+peuoc+u. Bsi nopnuune+cn opuiuuuiuo u cuu+ucuneco opuo+-
e, o+opun moe+ u mi onn+i nosnpumuemcn +eme uno+uoio, u+epe
A o+opun moe+ suc+unu+i nsi suuu+icn, +o ec+i ue cum un+op suuu-
e+cn, u, uunpo+un, un+op suc+unne+ nsi suuu+icn. Hu, u s+o concem ppy-
ioe peo, suc+unu+i nsi sunuuu+icn.
Hpunepy uecoio npumepon neuux c+uuc+on: nos+ epucum yu,
uu mo nsinp, cospue+ suuuuue, ue suuuuue penu, u suuuuue nsiu.
Hei [onoiuo suunui npumep, no+omy n+o oimuuc+no mpe, sui-
num+ o opuom nuuom eio unec+ne, suinum+, n+o, npepe nceio, u u nce
neuue xypouuu, Hei i conepmeuuo esymeu. Hu+o uuoipu ue nu-
cu +u, u s+o peu Hei, u n ypymem uu+o ue cmoe+ +u nucu+i. Eio
+nopnec+no pemouc+pupye+ opuu us neuux c+ue qpuuyscoio nsiu; ou
opuu us neuux cospu+ee qpuuyscoio nsiu. H+o e ou peu? Hei-
sn cusu+i, n+o eio c+ui s+o suuuuue, eio npepoeuun puspuc+um+cn us
cepepuui. Hpoc+o quu+uc+uu! Bmec+o +oio n+oi cospunu+i noceponu-
+eiuoc+i npepoeuu, ou non+opne+ opuo u +o e npepoeuue, c uum-
uuypi pouneuuem n cepepuue, o+opoe, n cnom onepepi, nopopue+ ce-
pymmee pouneuue u +u puee. Hocpepc+nom +uux nc+uno, ou suc+unne+
npepoeuun npouqepuponu+i us cepepuui. 0+o neuu c+ui.
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H+u, nepni ucne+: nun+i uu nsi nocpepc+nom onpepeuuo opu-
o+u, uenepon+uo opuo+u. Hos+omy neuum c+uuc+om c+uuonu+cn ue
+o+, +o oucepnupye+ cuu+ucuc, u +o+, +o eio cospu+. B uuoipu ue o+u-
yci o+ npepucuo qopmyi Hpyc+u: Bce mepenpi uunucuui uu cnoeio
popu uuoc+puuuom nsie. C+uuc+ peue+ cno nsi uuoc+puuuim. 0+o
nepuo no o+uomeuum Ceuuy, u Hei, u Bo+ n+o suunu+ i+i neuum
c+uuc+om.
H+u, no-n+opix, opuonpemeuuo c s+um nepnim ucne+om, noppusyme-
nummum, n+o cuu+ucuc c+uuonu+cn npepme+om peqopmupymmeio, ucu-
ummeio opumeuun, u no ueoxopumoc+u cospu+cn n+o-+o npope uuo-
c+puuuoio nsiu nuy+pu nsiu, uu o+opom uunucuuo npousnepeuue, n+opo
ucne+ +uon: nocpepc+nom s+oio npoeccu nsi ni+ecune+cn ueoemy npe-
pey ipuuue, o+penmme eio o+ mysiu. Bosuuue+ cnoeio popu mysiu.
Ecu npeycne+i n s+ux pnyx nemux, ecu ec+i ueoxopumoc+i cpeu+i s+o,
+o nosuuue+ c+ui, npucymu neuum c+uuc+um. H s+o nepuo n o+uome-
uuu ncex neuux c+uuc+on: o+pi+i n ueppux nsiu uuoc+puuui nsi u
ponec+u nsi po mysiuiuoio npepeu. Bo+ n+o suunu+ oupu+i c+uem,
pu.
Knep Hupne: A y +en ec+i c+ui, u +i pymuemi?..
HnnL ena: O, uoe onupc+no!
Knep Hupne: B sume+uu nepemeuy no cpunueuum c +noumu nepnimu
uuiumu. Ouu ynpoc+uuci.
HnnL ena: Hpusuu c+un nepemeununoc+i, u nume nceio c+ui
c+pemu+cn o nc ime cpepuuuoc+u. Ho imun cpepuuuoc+i ue os-
uunue+ ynpomeuue. Mue npuxopu+ uu ym opuu us nucu+ee, c+uem o+opix
n nocxumumci, Kepyu. B nospuux npousnepeuunx Kepyuu, eio nucimo uu-
nomuuue+ nnoucym ipuquy, npunpu, s+o nuc+ie uuuu nnoucux ipuqu-
on. Eio c+ui c+uuonu+cn cpepuuuim, uo s+o e noppusymenue+ cospuuue
uuoc+puuuoio nsiu nuy+pu popuoio, +em oeeHy pu
B +ue ncnomuuum Ceuuu. 3uunuo, u Ceuuy ionopuu: A, ni nn-
u pusionopuym peni n u+epu+ypy! s+o iynoc+i, no+omy n+o uu cumom
pee, nceipu +peye+cn nepepuo+u u+epu+ypuoio nsiu, nceipu uyuo cos-
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punu+i uuoc+puuui nsi nuy+pu popuoio, n+oi n nucime opec+u snunu-
eu+ pusionopuoio nsiu. H Ceuu ue nnopu+ pusionopuym peni n u+epu+y-
py iyno +u ionopu+i. Ho oipu Ceuuu xnuuu, ou oneui xopomo suu,
n+o em ue poc+ui oneui muoioio us +oio, neio xo+e. [u, no n+opom cnom
pomuue n pepimo n pomuue Cmep+i n pepu+ ou poeu i npuu-
su+icn eu. Ho, oipu pomuu uspuu u emy c+uu ionopu+i: O, pu ni us-
meuuuci!, onn+i e ou suu, n+o nc em pu o+ cnoe eu, o+opym ou
poc+ui n uuie Guignols Band [uu Huni]. Tum nsi npopnucn npepe-
y, o+opi +u uso mysie. 3peci mi nupum ue +oio opuo+y, o-
+opun cospu+ uuoc+puuui nsi, uo u nsi, euom npunepeuui my-
siuiuomy npepey. Tu n+o, c+ui usmeunun no npupope, y ueio ec+i cnou
nupuuuu.
Knep Hupne: C Hei nuc+o cpunuunum+ C+unu Puxu us-su non+opon n
eio mysie.
HnnL ena: 0+o nepuo, pome +oio, n+o Hei oee cuiui c+uuc+,
nem Pux.
Knep Hupne: Ti +u u ue o+ne+u uu mo onupui nonpoc. Ku +i
cnu+uemi, y +en ec+i cno c+ui?
HnnL ena: B xo+e i o+ne+u+i, uo n+o +i xonemi o+ meun yci-
mu+i? B xo+e i, uo y meun +uoe nync+no Ecu +o-+o uusinue+ cen c+u-
uc+om, ou poeu u+i npoemo c+un, nos+omy n o+neny oee cpomuo:
npoemu c+un s+o mon npoemu, pu, n uny s+o npoemo. Hou n
numy, +o ue ionopm cee: Hpoemu c+un? B pemy e no+om. B suum, n+o
ue noyny uyuoio mue pnueuun ouen+on, ecu nucimo ue opuu+inu-
e+cn c+uem.
Knep Hupne: Hno+peuoc+im ynopnponunuuun, omnosuuu?
HnnL ena: B io+on nepenucinu+i opuy c+puuuy no pecn+i pus.
91>*?38
Knep Hupne: H+u, n +noux puo+ux c+ui s+o non+u +o e, n+o u
omnosuun? To ec+i, ue nxopu+ u omnosuun n cymuoc+i +noeio nucimu?
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HnnL ena: [u, n pymum, +i conepmeuuo npunu. Opuuo +i su+pouy-
u em opuy +emy: Bnne+cn u omnosuun uuiu nonpocom c+un? B co-
iuceu euom u nouoc+im. Komnosuum uuiu ueisn onpepeu+i supu-
uee ouu cospu+cn n npoecce uunucuuun uuiu.
Cpepu +oio, n+o n uunucu, ocmemci npunec+u s+u npumepi ec+i
pne uuiu, oupummue omnosuue. B nceipu ypen omnosuuu oi-
moe nuumuuue. Hunpumep, n pymum, n+o uuiu oiuu cmicu uuiu,
coc+onmun us cepu, s+o pn meun npumep cepuuo omnosuuu. 3u+em n
Ticnne nu+o semeu+umu c+uu nu+o, nu+o, nopopuuie nemumu B
nuy s+u uuiu non+u u pne mysiuiuie omnosuuu. Komnosuun
s+o qyupumeu+uiui semeu+ c+un.
Knep Hupne: B nocnoisymci +noumu e conumu u nepuyci +omy,
n+o +i cusu puuee. Hucoio +i npuusucn +omy, neio xo+e pnu-
pu+i e+ uusup uu nc usmeuuoci?
HnnL ena: Cenuc, suuumunci cnoum peom, n nync+nym, n+o npu-
uumci 3uuumunci uesunepmuuo puo+o, n omymum usoc+i +oio,
n+o ucu, uo em ue uum n non+u yxnu+u +o, n+o umy.
Knep Hupne: C+ui inue+ ue +oio u+epu+ypuim +i nync+nu+e-
eu o ncem nponneuunm c+un. Hunpumep, +i unemi c +uo y+ounuuo
uuuuu [[es], +no ppyi uu-Hiep [Sumepe] +oe oneui seiuu+eu, u +i
cum necimu nync+nu+eeu y+ounuuoc+u.
HnnL ena: Hy, mue po uux pueo. Xo+eoci i i+i y+ounuuim,
uo n xopomo suum, n+o n ue +uo. [n meun y+ounuuoc+i s+o n+o-+o
[ue e nocnpun+ue cumo no cee ye y+ounuuoc+i, o+opun sumnue+cn n
nocnpun+uu cymuoc+u y+ounuuoc+u. H uuoopo+, ec+i mpu, y o+opix e
nonce ue+, u +o, n+o ouu uusinum+ y+ounuuim, +uonim ue nnne+cn. To
ec+i, n y+ounuuoc+u ye copepu+cn ueoe cxnu+inuuue e cymuoc+u. 0+o
meun nopuue+. 0+o opuu us cqep, noc+ueuue o+opix +peye+ onpepeu-
uoio popu opupuuoc+u, n+oi onupe+i s+um A nonemy +i meun o s+om
cnpocuu?
Knep Hupne: Ho+omy n+o c+ui nponnne+cn no ncm.
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HnnL ena: A, uy pu, uo s+o+ ucne+ uu cumom pee ue umee+ o+uome-
uun neuomy ucycc+ny. Moe+ nouupou+icn [u He+ Hy, ue suum
0+o npoc+o +o Y meun couoci nnenu+euue, n+o peo ue +oio n y+ou-
nuuoc+u o+opo n nceipu nocxumumci, u Ho-uuc+onmemy nuuo nc +o,
n+o usynue+ suuu. B umem n nupy, n+o uey+ounuuoc+i, nyiiupuoc+i +oe
usynue+ suuu, u s+o ypu nuuee: smuccun suuon. Hmeuuo nos+omy n +u
mm Hpyc+u u nceipu eio mu. 3u usui omec+nu, couuiuie o+-
uomeuun s+o quu+uc+unecun smuccun suuon.
To, n+o uusinum+ ec+u+uoc+im s+o, uu cumom pee, uenouumuuue
suuu, s+o suuu, o+opie mpu ue nouumum+. Couuiuun usui s+o cpe-
pu npouqepuuu nyc+ix suuon, ucom+uo nyc+ix, s+u suuu ue npep-
c+unnm+ uuuoio uu+epecu. Ouu e onpepene+ copoc+i u npupopy smuc-
cuu. H s+o nosnpumue+ uuc +eme uno+uoio mupu, no+omy n+o ou usynue+
quu+uc+unecue suuu. uno+uie noome u cne+cue ini n nuc+uoc+u
cneuuuc+i no suuum.
Knep Hupne: Ti pepo nonnnemicn uu mpnx, uo, +em ue meuee, nce-
ipu npepnonu+uemi nixop n cne+ ppyecomy suc+oim.
HnnL ena: Kouenuo, mue ue+cn, n+o n couuiuo cpepe mpu ue
nc+ynum+ n cnopi s+o+ pop nomoc+u omec+ny ue npucym, +um omeuue
c+pemu+cn ucom+uo ioc+u, +o ec+i necimu ic+pomy nocnpousne-
peuum opuson, ycopeuum omeuun. Onn+i e, s+o oneui uu+epecuie +u-
ni smuccuu suuon.
T uuu n Tennis (Tennnc)
Knep Hupne: H+u, T Teuuuc (Tennis).
HnnL ena: TeuuucXmm?
Knep Hupne: Ti nceipu mu +euuuc. Ec+i usnec+ui uuepo+ o +ee:
ypynu peuom, +i ni+ucn nsn+i un+oipuq y neuoio mnepcoio +euuu-
cuc+u, u no+om ousuoci, n+o s+o i opoi neuu.
HnnL ena: He+, n suu, +o ou +uo. Emy io ye nop c+o e+, eio
xopomo oxpuunu, y ueio io oneui muoio +eoxpuuu+ee. Ho n pec+nu-
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+eiuo npocu un+oipuq y opon neuu. Mon qo+oipuqun nonuu n Le
Figaro: mueuiu muinu npocu+ un+oipuq y nouoio opon neuu.
0+o i n.
Knep Hupne: A su uum mnepcum +euuucuc+om +i +oipu oxo+ucn?
HnnL ena: Eio snuu [uu] Sopo+pu. Ou ue i neuum mnepcum
+euuucuc+om, Sopo+pu i iunuim +eoxpuuu+eem opon, nepi ou uipu
c uum n +euuuc, ynu eio. Ou uecoio pus pu mue nuuu, n+oi n ue es
opom, uo opoi o+ueccn o mue oneui mesuo, u noce u Sopo+pu nopo-
pe. 0+o ionopu+ ue n eio noisy. Bnponem, muoioe ionopu+ ue n noisy So-
po+pu
Knep Hupne: Teuuuc epuuc+neuui nup cnop+u, o+opi +i cmo+-
pumi no +eenusopy?
HnnL ena: He+, n ooum qy+o, n oneui mm qy+o [u, n
pymum, qy+o u +euuuc.
Knep Hupne: Ti oipu-uuypi uipu n +euuuc?
HnnL ena: [u, po noui n muoio uipu, u s+o peue+ meun e ep+-
no!
Knep Hupne: Ku usmeune+cn +eo neoneu, o+opi suuumue+cn
cnop+om, u n+o npoucxopu+, oipu suun+un npepumum+cn, n+o-+o meune+cn?
HnnL ena: B +u ue pymum, no ncnom cynue, mo +eo ue usmeun-
oci. B cnop+e n ue i npoqeccuouuom. B 1939 iopy mue io 14 e+. B ne-
+ipuupu+i n pocu +euuuc s+o ue io oimo ppumo.
Knep Hupne: Y +en i +uuu+?
HnnL ena: [u, pn ne+ipuupu+ue+ueio n xopomo uipu.
Knep Hupne: Ti nxopu n pe+uui uipoon?
HnnL ena: O, ue+! B ne+ipuupu+i n i cumom mueuioio poc-
+u, u no+om n ue i +uum pusnu+im, u uiuemunn moopi.
Knep Hupne: Ti ue npoonu ppyiue nupi cnop+u? Ti e suuumucn
qpuuyscum ocom?
HnnL ena: Hy, ue+, n uemuoio nonpoonu, uo noynu +punmy u
cpusy e pocu, uo n nc-+uu nonpoonu oc.
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Knep Hupne: Ku +i cnu+uemi, +euuuc usmeuucn co npemu +noe
muoc+u?
HnnL ena: Kouenuo, u u no ncex nupux cnop+u, n +euuuce cospue+-
cn cpepu nupuuu, u no+ mi cuonu nosnpumuemcn npoeme c+un. Cnop+
oneui uu+epeceu c +onu speuun ucceponuuun nosuu +eu. Cymec+nym+
nupuuuu nooeuu +eu n npoc+puuc+nux ime uu meuime npo+n-
uuoc+u. Hunpumep, conepmeuuo onenupuo, n+o eiou+e+i cenuc ue ne-
penpiiunum+ upiepi +u e, u s+o io nn+pecn+ e+ uusup.
H uupo i pucnpepeu+i no u+eiopunm s+u nepemeuuie n uc+opuu
cnop+u. Hx uecoio. Hepemeuuie, cnnsuuuie c +u+uo. Tu+uu uipi n
qy+o cymec+neuuo usmeuuuci co npemu moeio pe+c+nu. Ec+i nosuuou-
uie nepemeuuie, cnnsuuuie c nosuue +eu. Ec+i nepemeuuie, o+opie
nuocn+ n uipy B oneui uu+epeconucn opuum momeu+om n +ouuuu nppu,
uo ue pn +oio, n+oi cumomy s+um suun+icn, meun uu+epeconu +o+ qu+,
n+o nosu +ou+en nppu n onpepeuui momeu+ peso usmeunuci. Hopo
s+o io nonpocom cui: u oneui cuiuomy +ou+em npuopec+u ueo-
xopumym copoc+i? A n ppyiux cynunx copoc+u: u c+u+i cuiuim, o-
upun +eocoeuuem, oecnenunummum nicoym copoc+i? Bo+ s+o oneui,
oneui uu+epecuo. 0+o non+u
Couooi [Mupcei] Mocc nponopu ncenosmouie ucceponuuun no-
suu +eu n pusunuix unuusuunx, uo cnop+ ouc+i nupiuponuuun
nosuu, uen+o qyupumeu+uiuoe. Hunpumep, n +euuuce po noui n po
cux nop nomum ponoeuuix nemnuouon onenupuo, n+o ux nosuuu pusu-
nuuci. H no+om s+o meun oneui uu+epecye+, u, c+u+u, cnnsuuo co c+uem
nce nemnuoui iu uuc+onmumu +nopumu. Ec+i pnu nupu neuux nem-
nuouon, o+opie pn meun uepunuoeuui: +nopi u ue+nopi. He+nopi
s+o +e, +o nopuumum+ ye cymec+nymmu c+ui uu uepoc+uumym nico+y,
uunpumep, [Hnuu] eup. B ue cnu+um eupu +nopom n +euuuce. Ho nepi
cymec+nym+ u neuue +nopi, pue uu npoc+emem yponue +e, +o uso-
p uonie ypupi u nn uonie +u+uu. A noce uux nonnne+cn +onu
noppuu+ee. Ho neuux c+uuc+on, usope+u+ee, mouo ouupyu+i n
mom nupe cnop+u.
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H+o e io neuum nonopo+uim momeu+om n +euuuce? Eio npoe+u-
pusuun ouenuo, o+uocu+eiuun. B umem n nupy +o, n+o +euuuc c+u muc-
conim cnop+om um suuumuuci no oime nuc+u meue cyumue, u ue
puonue, uo nc-+uu mi moem uusnu+i s+o npoe+upusuue +euuucu. Ko-
uenuo, ec+i oee iyoue nopxopi oncueuum s+oio nneuun, uo uune-
io ue npousomo i, ecu i s+o ue connuo c nonneuuem ieuun. 0+o npo-
usomo uiopupn [Siopuy] Sopiy. Honemy? Ho+omy n+o ou cospu onpepe-
uui c+ui mucconoio +euuucu, u ou poeu i cospunu+i eio c uyn. 3u
uum npumu eun nenpu neuux nemnuouon, uo ue +nopon, uunpumep,
[uiepmo] Buuc u ppyiue. Sopi npuneue+ meun, eio ioonu noxou uu
ioony Xpuc+u. Eio ou i +uo e, u y Xpuc+u eio uenepon+uoe
poc+ouuc+no, o+opoe nisinuo ynueuue ncex uipoon.
<3.7=5
Knep Hupne: Ti ionopu, n+o nuc+o nocemu
HnnL ena: O pu, y meun io muoio nnenu+euu, cnnsuuuix c +eu-
uucom Ho n xo+e i suounu+i c Sopiom. H+u, Sopi s+o nepcouu, uu-
nomuuummu Xpuc+u. Ou pu muccum poc+yn +euuucy, cospu mucconi
+euuuc ou usop conepmeuuo uonym uipy. Ho+om nonnuoci muoec+no
poc+ouix nemnuouon, uo ouu npuuupeuu +uny Buucu, o+opi no-
pnucn n +euuuc, nuecn n uipy cuo+nopui c+ui, +oipu u u speci mi
nceipu suuono o+pinuem suou: Bi peue+e mue omnumeu+i, uo n nc
em su c+o ie po cnoe eu +oipu u Sopi npepuumepeuuo meun c+ui
cnoe uipi. Ynepunmuci n sunepmuuoc+u cnoeio ypupu, ou +epn uemy uu-
+epec. Eio c+ui i npesninuuo usmeununim n +ex ucne+ux, ipe +euuu-
cuc+i-+pypniu suc+penuu uu opuom u +om e. Mi moem cusu+i, n+o
[[ou] Muuupo s+o uu+u-Sopi.
Knep Hupne: B nm e sumnucn npoe+upcu c+ui, usope+u-
ui Sopiom?
HnnL ena: B suun+uu nosuuu n iyuue op+u, c+on+i u mouo
puime, n pyneuix ypupux, n ypupux mnnu nicoo uup ce+o. mo puo-
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+niu moe+ noun+i +uym uipy, mo meu meuepep moe+ s+o noun+i,
ppyioe peo npeycne+i.
Knep Hupne: 0+o uu+epecuo!
HnnL ena: Bo+ s+u npuuuni uuxopu+icn n iyuue op+u, supy-
nunu+i mnn, nopunu+i nicoo uup ce+o npo+unonoouoc+i upuc+opu-
+unecux npuuunon. 0+o nonynpuie npuuuni. Ho uum uyuo i+i
ieuuem, n+oi ux cospu+i! Sopi nopoeu Xpuc+y upuc+opu+, npumepmu
uupopy. Hy Bosmouo, n ionopm iynoc+u, uo 0+o po cux nop npoc+o
omeomne+, s+o ypunu+eiuo ypup Sopiu. Oneui, oneui moni+uo; ou
neuu +nope cnop+u.
A no+ Muuupo i nuc+im upuc+opu+om uunoonuuy eiune+cum,
uunoonuuy pyccum: eiune+cun nopunu, pyccun pymu. Ou usop ypupi,
o+opie uu+o ue moi non+opu+i. [u, ou i upuc+opu+om, su o+opim uu-
+o ue moi no+u. Ou usop ueo+opie no+pncummue ypupi. Ou usop
ypup, o+opi sumnucn n nepepucinuuuu mnnu, s+o oneui c+puuuo ue
ypup, u nepepoc. H ou puspuo+u nopuny c +u, o+opun ue iu Hopunu
c +u iu xopomo usnec+uu, uo n uipe Muuupon ouu nopnepiuci nouo
nepepuo+e. Bc s+o, ouenuo, ecu ionopu+i
O, em opuu neuu uipo, uo ue +uo suunumi, uu mo nsinp. Ou
+oe umepuuue, n ue moiy ncnomuu+i eio qumuum
Knep Hupne: [[ummu] Kouuopc.
HnnL ena: Kouuopc, o+opi ypunuo npumeuu upuc+opu+une-
cu npuuun nocu ypup uup cumo ce+o, uup cumo ce+o s+o
oneui suunui upuc+opu+unecu npuuun. Ou +ue uuuocu ypupi n
nupeuuu. Huoipu ou ue i +u ieuuueu, u no npemn ypupu n nupeuuu.
0+o iu pec+nu+eiuo c+puuuie ypupi.
Cymec+nye+ uc+opun cnop+u, moio nupu cnop+u: pusnu+ue cnop+u, eio
+nopi, ux noceponu+eu To e cumoe u n ucycc+ne: ec+i +nopi, ec+i
noceponu+eu, ec+i usmeueuun, ec+i pusnu+ue, ec+i uc+opun, ec+i c+uuone-
uue cnop+u.
Knep Hupne: Ti xo+e n+o-+o cusu+i, qpusu uunuuuuci +u: B no-
cemu
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HnnL ena: O, s+o iu npoc+o uun-+o pe+ui. [ymum, n ume n
nupy Huoipu +pypuo yc+uuonu+i, oipu oupe+uo nosuu +o+ uu uuo
ypup, uo n nce-+uu ncnomuuum, n+o po noui iu uue-+o unc+puui.
H speci nosuuue+ npoemu uuuouuiuix uc+oon: nonemy umeuuo unc+-
puui nneu pnypynui sumux? Cuunuu, oipu s+o+ npum nonnucn,
um noisonuuci +oio unc+puui, no ncnom cynue, n +u s+o sunom-
uu. Tu uu uuune, nonemy umeuuo unc+puui?.. O+uomeuue mepy su-
muxom oeumu pyumu u unc+puuumu B ue suum, s+o ue eccnopuo, nos-
mouo, iu uun-+o npunuuu.
Homum, oipu n i peuom, meun nopusu opuu ypup, no+omy n+o ou
ue cospunu uuuoio sqqe+u. Mi nupeu, n+o npo+unuu nponyc+u mnn,
u ue moiu noun+i, nonemy. 0+o i poc+u+onuo mniu ypup. Hpu nuumu-
+eiuom puccmo+peuuu ousuoci, n+o s+o i nosnpu+ nopunu. Koipu npo-
+unuu nopunu mnn, uipo o+unu eio ium ypupom, ncepc+nue neio
mnn nupu y cumix uoi nopummeio, o+opi io+onucn ypupy c +u, uo
noynu mnn pue ue n +yonume u ue moi eio o+u+i. Tu n+o s+o i
c+puuui nosnpu+, no+omy n+o mi pue ue moiu noun+i, nonemy s+o+ ypup
+u xopomo puo+u. B cnu+um, n+o nepnim s+o+ ypup cuc+emu+usuponu ne-
uu unc+puucu +euuucuc+, o+opi noxo nic+ynu uu op+ux c
ipyu+onim nopi+uem, no+omy n+o ouu eio ue npuneuu. Eio snuu
[[ou] Spomnun. Ou uipu uenocpepc+neuuo po uu noce noui, n +onuo
ue nomum. Ho ou i neuum uipoom, uuc+onmum usope+u+eem ypupon.
Opuuo n o+ne+uno nomum u, ypynu peuom uu muome, n i no-
puu +em ypupom, o+opi cenuc cnu+ue+cn uccunecum, eio peum+ nce.
Bo+ ouo, usope+euue ypupu, o+opi, uucoio n suum, em ue i usnec-
+eu nooeuum Sopo+pu s+o+ nup nosnpu+u.
Knep Hupne: H n sunepmeuue +emi +euuucu u Muuupon: u +i py-
muemi, oipu ou nipuue+ ueponoic+no cypi, pyiue+ eio npu s+om n
ime c+eneuu pyiun cen cumoio nnne+cn u s+o nonpocom c+un, npu-
uupeu+ u eio c+um ueponoic+no cumum coo?
HnnL ena: [u, s+o nonpoc c+un, no+omy n+o nc s+o npuuupeu+
eio c+um. 0+o n+o-+o npope puspnpu pn uepnon, pu Ku, uunpumep, opu-
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+op moe+ su+icn no npemn penu, uo ec+i u opu+opi, o+opie xoopui u
o+c+puueuui. Tu n+o s+o ueo+ememun nuc+i c+un Muuupon. 0+o eio py-
mu uu, u ionopn+ uemi, Gemut.

U uuu n Un (Innoe)
Knep Hupne: H+u, U s+o Epuuoe (Un).
HnnL ena: Epuuoe.
Knep Hupne: Epuuoe, E-[-H-H-O-E
HnnL ena: [u
Knep Hupne: H+u, quocoqun u uuyu cnnsuuu c yuunepcuunmu.
Opuuo +i nceipu ionopumi, n+o quocoqun ue pouu +epn+i cnnsi c epu-
uunuim, c cuuiynpuoc+nmu. He+ u speci nupupocu?
HnnL ena: He+, speci ue+ nupupocu, no+omy n+o quocoqun u pue
uuyu ue umem+ noome uuuoio o+uomeuun yuunepcuunm. 0+o nc puc-
xoue upeu upeu, npousnopuie o+ omeio mueuun. Omee mueuue o qu-
ocoquu iucu+, n+o ouu umee+ peo c yuunepcuunmu. Mueuue o uuye: ouu
umee+ peo c yuunepcuiuimu qeuomeuumu, o+opie nceipu mouo nocnpo-
usnec+u u +u puee.
Ho pue ecu nsn+i qopmyy npope nce +eu nupum+ nuuo n ue ue
+o, n+o nce +eu nupum+. Buuo cumo nupeuue u eio cuuiynpuoc+u. [ue ec-
u uuynuie cuuiynpuoc+u, uunpumep, mu+emu+unecue cuuiynpuoc+u
qyuu uu qusunecue, xumunecue cuuiynpuoc+u, +onu sumepsuuun u
+u puee nocnpousnopumi, uy n+o , xopomo, u n+o puime? 0+o n+opunuie
qeuomeui, npoecci yuunepcuusuuu, u +o, nemy opumue+cn uuyu, ue
yuunepcuuu, u cuuiynpuoc+u, +onu sumepsuuun: oipu +eo usmeune+ ui-
peiu+uoe coc+onuue upoe c+uuonu+cn +neppim u +u puee. uuocoqun
ue suuumue+cn epuuim, i+uem. [ymu+i +u npoc+o iyno. Hunpo+un, ouu
+oe umee+ peo c cuuiynpuoc+nmu. Hupo cusu+i, n+o Hu cumom pee, mi
nceipu ouupyunuem cen no muoec+neuuoc+nx. Muoec+neuuoc+u s+o
conoynuoc+u epuuunuoc+e. uopmyu, onucinummun muoec+neuuoc+u u
conoynuoc+u cuuiynpuoc+e n-1, +o ec+i epuuoe nceipu ninu+ue+cn.
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Tu n+o uyuo useu+i pnyx omuo: quocoqun ue uu+epecye+cn yuu-
nepcuunmu. Mi moem ouupyu+i, pu, +pu nupu yuunepcuu, +pu nupu:
yuunepcuuu cosepuuun, Hpeu c oimo yni H. Ec+i yuunepcuuu
peqecuu. H ec+i yuunepcuuu ommyuuuuu, nocepuee npueume qu-
ocoquu yuunepcuu. Xuepmuc oneui mu+ s+u yuunepcuuu ommyuu-
uuu. 0+o suunu+, n+o quocoqun onpepene+cn uu u cosepuuue, uu
u peqecun, uu u ommyuuuun. Bce +pu cynun necimu omunui,
npoc+o cmexo+nopui. uuocoq-cosepu+ei s+o noome uuepo+. Peqecu-
pymmu quocoq ye ue nisinue+ cmex, uo ou em iynee, no+omy n+o ue-
onsu+eiuo i+i quocoqom, n+oi peqecuponu+i. Mu+emu+uu ue o-
pumum+cn quocoqy, n+oi peqecuponu+i uup mu+emu+uo. Xypouu
ue ume+ quocoqu, n+oi ocmicu+i unonuci uu mysiy. [Hiepy] Syesy
ue uyeu quocoq pn +oio, n+oi peqecuponu+i uup mysio. Te, +o
cnu+um+ quocoqum peqecue uup nem-uo, uu cumom pee npesupum+ u
quocoqum, u +o, uup nem ouu noi pouu peqecuponu+i, no+omy n+o,
n oue ouon, pn peqecuu quocoqun ue uyuu Hy, upuo A n+o po
ommyuuuuu, punu ynme ue ypem o s+om. Hpen o +om, n+o quocoqun
s+o nocc+uuoneuue ouceucycu n ommyuuuuu uu ocuonuuuu yuunepcu-
u ommyuuuuu s+o cumun cmexo+nopuun upen us ncex usnec+uix
Bepi quocoqun noome uuu ue cnnsuuu c ommyuuuue. H+o e s+o
moe+ +uoe?.. Kommyuuuun nnoue cumopoc+u+onuu, u nc, n+o ucue+cn
ouceucycu u mueuu s+o npoc+o ucycc+no nponepeuun onpocon. uuoco-
qun ue umee+ s+omy o+uomeuun.
uuocoqun cuonu non+opm +o, o nm ionopu c cumoio uunuu suuu-
mue+cn cospuuuem ouen+on, u s+o ue noppusymenue+ ommyuuuum. Hc-
ycc+no ue ommyuuu+unuo, ucycc+no ue peqecunuo. Hcycc+no, uuyu,
quocoqun ue cosepu+eiui, ue peqecunui, ue ommyuuu+unui. Ouu
peu+unui, u +onu. O+cmpu u qopmyu n-1, nopunnmmun epuuc+no, sunpe-
mummun yuunepcuiuoc+i.
Knep Hupne: To ec+i, +i cnu+uemi, n+o yuunepcuuu ue umem+ o+uo-
meuun quocoquu?
HnnL ena: [u, pu, uuuoio o+uomeuun.
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V uuu n Voyage (Hy1emec1nne)
Knep Hupne: [unu cpusy nepepem V, u V s+o Hy+emec+nue
(Voyage). H speci mi c+oumcn c ouen+om-nupupocom, no+omy n+o +i
usope noun+ue ouen+ uomupusm, uo npu s+om ueuunupumi ny+eme-
c+nonu+i. Mi moem cpeu+i s+o npusuuuue npnmo cenuc: Ti ueuunupumi
ny+emec+nonu+i. Hpepe nceio, nonemy +i ueuunupumi ny+emec+nonu+i?
HnnL ena: B ue mm ny+emec+nun us-su yconu, o+opie opy-
um+ ueoiu+oio uu+ee+yuu, oipu ou ny+emec+nye+. Si+i moe+, ecu
i mou nonu conponopuuci ppyiumu yconunmu, n i oou ny+emec+-
nun. Ho uu+ee+yui H+o suunu+ pn uux ny+emec+nue? H+euue eu
uu pum cne+u, ecu no+peye+cn. H npu+om po u noce euu Pusiono-
pi po euu c mpimu, o+opie +en +eno npune+c+nym+, u noce euu
c +emu, +o +en neuno cymu Pusionopi, pusionopi, pusionopi. Tu
n+o, ny+emec+nue uu+ee+yuu s+o uu+u-ny+emec+nue. Epemi uu pu
semu, n+oi pusionupunu+i, xo+n mouo peu+i s+o u pomu; nc+penu+icn c
mpimu po n+oi ionopu+i, u nc+penu+icn c uumu noce n+oi ionopu+i.
0+o nyponumuo!
B cusu s+o u +enepi omymum, n+o y meun ue+ euuun ny+emec+no-
nu+i, uo s+o pn meun uenpuuunuuiuo, u n ue npe+eupym uu npuno+y, cu-
nu Soiy. upuo, no+ n cen cnpumunum, n+o uuxoy noxoio n ny+emec+nuu?
Bo-nepnix, speci ec+i pon ouoio puspinu. B i cusu, n+o s+o nepni
ucne+ moe uemnu ny+emec+nunm.
Hepnun npunuuu s+o uepoc+u+onui puspin. B nouumum, n+o ume n
nupy uupepuip: Hepoc+u+onuo yexu+i, n+oi cospu+i uuc+onmu pus-
pin. Ecu +i xonemi puspinu, uyuo n+o-+o em, nomumo ny+emec+nun,
nepi, n oue ouon, n+o nupu+ ny+emec+neuuu? mpu, o+opie nuc+o i-
num+ n pusespux u no+om pue ioppn+cn s+um ouu ionopn+, n+o peuu
s+o, n+oi uu+u o+u. Ec+i ncnue neuue penop+pi, o+opie nucuu o
s+om, ouu iu ncmpy, no Bie+uume, n Aqiuuuc+uue, ipe yiopuo u ouu
cmeo sunnnm+, n+o uu cumom pee ouu ucuu o+u. He c+ouo y+pypu+i-
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cn Hy+emec+nue pec+nu+eiuo moe+ i+i spunonim. Hy xopomo Ho n
ionopm: He+! 0+o meun ue yc+puunue+!
B+opun npunuuu: ue+cn, n+o Hu meun oimoe nnenu+euue npous-
neu qpusu See+u oio e em? opuu eio nepcouu [Kumie] ionopu+
npuusu+eiuo +u, n noxo nomum, n opuiuuue s+o snynu+ ynme [puee
ue+onuun u+u+u]: Kouenuo, mi nce mypuu, uo ue po +uo c+eneuu, n+o-
i ny+emec+nonu+i pupu yponoic+nun. 0+o conepmeuuo nepuo! B mypu, uo
ue uuc+oio, n+oi ny+emec+nonu+i pupu yponoic+nun. He+, ue+, n ue +u-
o mypu!
H ec+i +pe+u ucne+, cnnsuuui c ny+emec+nuem. Ti cusuu uo-
mup [u, n nceipu i onuponuu onenuuumu, uo u pus no+omy, n+o uo-
mupi uuoipu ue ny+emec+nym+. Te, +o ny+emec+nym+ s+o smuipuu+i.
Sinum+ +uue cu+yuuu: necimu ynuuemie mpu niuypeui ny+emec+no-
nu+i usiuuuuuu, smuipuu+i. 0+o ue +o+ +un ny+emec+nun, uup o+opim
mouo cmen+icn, +u u s+o eio cupuiuun qopmu niuypeuuoe ny+eme-
c+nue. Hy, xopomo Ho uomupi ue ny+emec+nym+. Homupi, uunpo+un, y-
nuiuo uenopnuui, nce cneuuuc+i no uomupum ionopn+ o s+om. 0+o no-
+omy, n+o onenuuu ue xo+n+ yesu+i, no+omy n+o ouu npupeneui sem-
e cnoe seme. Hx semu sunyc+enum+, uo ouu pepu+cn su uux ouu
moiy+ onenu+i +oio no cnoe seme, onenuuue nosmouo, oipu ec+i e-
uuue oc+u+icn uu cnoe seme. B ueo+opom cmice, ue+ uuneio oee ue-
nopnuuoio, nem uomup, uu+o ue moe+ ny+emec+nonu+i meuime, nem o-
nenuu. Hx ueeuuue yesu+i u peue+ ux uomupumu. H umeuuo nos+omy
ux nceipu nopnepium+ ioueuunm.
Huoue, nocepuu ucne+ ny+emec+nun, o+opi peue+ eio ue
oneui Y Hpyc+u ec+i neuoenuun qpusu: B oue ouon, n+o npoucxo-
pu+ no npemn moio ny+emec+nun? Hy+emec+nyn, mi nceipu nponepnem n+o-
+o. Hyuo yepu+icn, n+o +o+ ne+, o+opi mi nupeu n ipsux, ec+i n s+om
mec+e u uunny. H no+om ou peue+ oneui nuuoe ponoueuue. Ou ionopu+:
Hox +o+ cuonupe, o+opi ue o+npunu+cn n ny+i, n+oi ysuu+i cymec+ny-
e+ u uunny +o+ ne+, n+o emy npuipesucn. Ho xopomu cuonupe suue+, n+o
uyuo onsu+eiuo ypoc+onepu+icn n s+om. Mue ue+cn, s+o xopomun
ouenun ny+emec+nun, uo, c ppyio c+opoui
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Knep Hupne: 0+o quu+uc+unecun peipeccun.
HnnL ena: He+, cymec+nym+, ouenuo, noespu, o+opie conpono-
pum+cn uuc+onmum puspinom. Hunpumep, usui eesuo n uuc+onmu
momeu+ ue+cn mue cnocoom onepuponuuun ueum puspinom.
Knep Hupne: oypeuc
HnnL ena: [u, [T. 0.] oypeuc, pu, oypeuc Ec+i muoio neuux
nucu+ee, nucu+ee, o+opimu n nocxumumci, o+opie uupeeui nync+-
nom ny+emec+nun. Bo+ u C+uneucou Eio ny+emec+nun ueisn uepooeuu-
nu+i.
To, o nm n ionopm, umeuo nceomuoc+u. B ionopm o cee, o neonee,
o+opi ue mu+ ny+emec+nonu+i, u, nouy, pucnouiue+ no+ s+umu ne-
+ipimn npunuuumu.
Knep Hupne: Cnnsuuu u +non ueuunuc+i ny+emec+nunm c +noe ec+e-
c+neuuo mepu+eiuoc+im?
HnnL ena: He+, n pymum, n+o ny+emec+nun moiy+ i+i u oneui mep-
euuimu, uo, n mom cynue, y meun ue+ euuun +poiu+icn c mec+u. Bce
uu+eucunuoc+u, n+o y meun ec+i, uenopnuui. Hu+eucunuoc+u pucnpepen-
m+cn n npoc+puuc+ne uu ppyiux cuc+emux, o+opie ue onsu+eiuo uuxopn+-
cn nonue. Ynepnm +en, oipu n nu+um uuiy, o+opun meun nocxumue+, sume-
nu+eiuym uuiy uu oipu cymum mysiy, o+opym uuxoy neuoen-
uo, n nync+nym, n+o nxoy n coc+onuue Hy+emec+nue uuoipu ue puc+ +u-
ux smou. Tu sunem mue exu+i su smounmu, o+opie mue ue nopxopn+,
ecu n usneum cnou, ypu ynmue, us uenopnuuix cuc+em, npope mysiu
uu quocoquu? B umem n nupy, n+o cymec+nye+ ieo-mysiu, ieo-
quocoqun s+o nopuuuie +eppu+opuu, mou c+puui. [u?
Knep Hupne: Tnoe unuoe supyeie.
HnnL ena: Mo unuoe supyeie, o+opoe n ue uupy, ny+emec+-
nyn.
Knep Hupne: Ti npepucuun umc+puun +oio, n+o pnueuue ue
+opec+neuuo nepememeuum n npoc+puuc+ne, uo +i nc-+uu uemuoio ny+e-
mec+nonu uu ouqepeuuu n unuu, n Kuuupy, n CA.
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HnnL ena: [u, pu, io peo, uo n poeu cusu+i, n+o meun nceipu
n+niunuu n s+o, n oime ue ypy ny+emec+nonu+i, no+omy s+o ye muoio, n
cumom muoio ny+emec+nonu. Toipu n mu xopu+i nemom +enepi
xoy meuime. B ye ue moiy ny+emec+nonu+i. Ho n nomum, u punmu uu-
npo+ iyn no yuum Sepy+u n opuuonec+ne, ue suun, ypu umeuuo upy.
B mm ocmu+punu+i iopopu, iynn, uo +enepi s+o n npomom.
Wuuu n Wittgenstein (Bn1renm1en)
Knep Hupne: [unu nepepm W.
HnnL ena: Hu W uuneio ue+!
Knep Hupne: He+, ec+i Bu+ieum+eu (Wittgenstein). 3uum, +i eio co-
ncem ue euumi, uo +i moi i cusu+i o uem nupy con.
HnnL ena: B ue xony o um ionopu+i [n meun s+o quocoqcun
u+uc+poqu. 0+o +ununui npumep moi peipeccun nce quocoquu,
+o+uiuun peipeccun. Temu Bu+ieum+euu oneui ipyc+uun. Ouu cospuu cuc-
+emy +eppopu, o+opun nop npepoiom cospuuun neio-+o uonoio nnopuu cy-
poc+i no nc neuoe He+ +uoio conu, o+opoe onucuo i c+eneui onuc-
uoc+u H s+u onucuoc+i noc+onuuo nosouonne+cn, s+o npousomo ue
nnepnie. 0+o oneui cepisuo, n ocoeuuoc+u no+omy, n+o nu+ieum+euuuu-
i mepsue u pec+py+unuie mpu. Hx noepu c+uu i yuc+nom quo-
coquu. Ouu yui quocoquu.
Knep Hupne: [u y, nc oneui cepisuo.
HnnL ena: [uHyuo i+i oneui pu+eiuim!
Z uuu n Zigzag (3nraur)
Knep Hupne: X ueusnec+eu, Y uenipusum, nos+omy nepexopum
cpusy nocepue yne uqunu+u s+o 3e+.
HnnL ena: A, xopomo, u pus nonpemn!
Knep Hupne: H+u, s+o ue Z suu 3oppo-sumu+uuu, +u u, npo-
pnuiunci no uqunu+y, mi nounu, n+o +i ue mumi npunocypue. 0+o Z
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uqypuuu, mouuu, s+y yny mouo ouupyu+i n umeuux neuux qu-
ocoqon: pZeu, Zupu+yc+pu, euu [LeibniZ], CnuuoZu, Hume
[NietZsche], SepiZou u, ouenuo, [eZ.
HnnL ena: Ti oneui oc+poymuo oomuci c SepiZouom u oneui po-
pu o mue! B cnu+um, n+o 3e+ s+o neuun ynu, o+opun nomoe+ uum
nepuy+icn A [animal], myxe s+o pseu myxu, suisuioopusuoe pnue-
uue myxu. Hu 3e+ nocepuee cono, noce suisuiu oime ue ype+ con.
Hpun+uo oc+uuonu+icn uu s+om cone.
H+u, n+o uu cumom pee npoucxopu+ n cynue 3e+? Zen [pseu] s+o Nez
[uoc] uuoopo+, u, +omy e, suisui. Z u pnueuue myxu H+o e s+o +u-
oe? 0+o, nosmouo, semeu+upuoe pnueuue pnueuue, o+opoe, nepon+-
uo, iuneuc+nonuo npu cospuuuu nceeuuo. B cenuc nu+um uuiy cenuc
nce nu+um+ +uue uuiu o Soimom nspine [Big Bang] o cospuuuu nce-
euuo, ecouenuom ucpuneuuu, u s+o npousomo, Big Bang. [oeu
cusu+i, n uunue neme ue io uuuoio oimoio nspinu, u i 3e+.
Knep Hupne: H+u, Z (3e+) myxu, Soimoio nspinuuqypuuu?
HnnL ena: Hyuo sumeuu+i Soimo nspin uu 3e+, o+opi, uu
cumom pee pseu, mupmpy+ myxu. H+o s+o suunu+? [n meun, oipu n npep-
c+unnm suisui, u s+o +o e cumoe, n+o mi ionopuu ue o yuunepcuunx, u
copee o conoynuoc+nx cuuiynpuoc+e. Bonpoc n +om, u mi yc+uuununu-
em o+uomeuun mepy ueconoc+unumimu cuuiynpuoc+nmu uu o+uomeuun
mepy no+euuuumu, nipuunci nsiom qusuu. Mouo npepc+unu+i cee
xuoc, nepenoueuui no+euuuumu, uo u yc+uuonu+i o+uomeuun mepy
s+umu no+euuuumu?
Cenuc n ye ue nomum, uo +ymuuuo uuynuo pucunuue npu-
uupeu+ +o+ +epmuu, o+opi mue oneui noupunucn, u o+opi n ucnoi-
sonu n cnoux uuiux. K+o-+o cusu, n+o npu nc+pene pnyx no+euuuon nos-
uuue+ qeuomeu, onpepenemi noun+uem +mui npepnec+uu. Tmui
npepnec+uu yc+uuununue+ o+uomeuun mepy pusuimu no+euuuumu. H
+um, ipe nonnne+cn +mui npepnec+uu, no+euuui uunuuum+ peuiupo-
nu+i ppyi uu ppyiu, nosuuue+ nupumoe nneuue mouun. H+u, cuunuu
+mui npepnec+uu, u no+om mouun. Tu popue+cn mup. Bceipu ec+i
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uenupumi +mui npepnec+uu, no+om mouun nc ocnemue+ u no+ nonn-
ne+cn mup.
Tuum u pouo i+i mimeuue, +uo pouu i+i quocoqun. Tu-
onu neuun u+epu 3e+, +uonu e u myppoc+i pseu. Myppe s+o +mui
npepnec+uu, no+om cepye+ ypup nocoxom, nepi muc+ep pseu nceipu puspu+
ypupi. Ypup nocoxu s+o mouun, o+opun peue+ nemu nupumimu H+u,
mi suounuu
Knep Hupne: Ti pup, n+o n +noe qumuuu ec+i 3e+?
HnnL ena: Hpoc+o cnuc+un! Bo+ +u
Knep Hupne: Koue.
HnnL ena: Kuoe cnuc+ie, n+o mi cpeuu s+o. Hocmep+uo! Ho-
cmep+uo! (Posthume! Posthume!)
Knep Hupne: HoZmep+uo! (PostZume!)
HnnL ena: Hy, no+ u ncu cnucuo su numy popo+y.
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AAdABHT HHAH IA3A c Knep Hupne
(c1enorpummu nu ocnone cy1n1pon)
Komnim+epuun npc+u H),I>,: JK6*I(2
uopmu+ 6084 1/16. upuu+ypu Georgia.
Yc. nen. . 8,26.