MiuiidivipQUE? uli 2001 BLA, BLA, BLA Eumpetn science, Science is, in among themselves, if we doc't ts way mule When you peat clues ori we consider AND DANCE, ‘cz wis veep swiy the asong them someting more Dan tere : furvcentien tat have beet desoniion.ebjects-Dor!t wony Eotrrivn 8 Agustin Antines! Gexting "you. along yout long by Your lenge wen you hed ccna proces, tay be your aout dancing. ithe. forer Question L To many Tt is very different that you feel People at universities are people it probably sounds — smong sami families in a tunda programmed, in general, for to rene weli to ay that you laedoage and te you fc for ugh of these things and. © Ccxtmpe, when you aie aight flow wali the oo-ead way that canleam about natece by (he s200t" landscape of monolie thinking ty to take Us dancing and drumming. —fickinki sport It wems as if We are being progecimed to Can you explain? Why western “progress” try to keep wotship the computer-based should we dance and your conseicace every time «nore techtologies and so on, ‘Theses drum? and more away from Mother no a clear limit between the Barth. Tis cuce that, atleast, wwe ecological way of vee and the A is begin with the may say that the way people have sacredinignous way of seing discovery Ghat, in spite of being heen lexening about sane don't When you me aware of the almost forgotten and hidden for poe9 very well. Don't you think eurocenitism that surrounds the our, wate) “weed vite, Yo we want ftom people to comteeption of modem Putopean indigenous people have many jearn about Nature? or merely to science, you may sce that the things that WE MAY LEARN. 34 4 mechanistic model about sciences of other different As my Traditional Mexican Ngture, where all "pieces" cultures ate true sciences aad not eles ee vid is Bi function ke « machine? For this merely “ethnosciences”. The way interview with Milage University test option, it is important that of knowing by dancing in the stalk "WE BRING AN people learn about 4 "dead" forest cannot be well explained by INDIGENOUS PROJECT FOR Neture; a natare that do not feel; words, and neither by written THE HUMAN, natuse that we can freely wotts on pieces of tres (papers) DEVELOPMENT OF THE transform, destroy, try to Thisis the wap. FIRSY WORLD". After al, we "Jominats", because this eature™ ane not only speaking of dancing jai" jn ihis way # omething Question 2. What do you in the forest. We speak 08 apart from us, and can "serve" to think, would this way of tomething very much deeper; Tn bolic thinking saat to Seatning be suitable for Seca nee ee say that we ase part from Nature, biology lessons? Should. ORY Oates “an bus dae we ARE Nase, the students be taken to ‘THE CULTURE OF LIFE. Teo Singe ve, and Nate; we faxest 40 dence instead of Of course to answer your and Nature ate indissociable and sitting inside? fisitetil ia hapactey Mase paaitoeaan eee We kage aetna leam Fnglish in tea days. I entities we [follow constructing in the dichotomy (blick OR ‘would inclode alosg ist of books the world in a way of white) wap. There are ‘infinite’ sustaining out world view, but at separateness, a8 wher people steps or possibilities and not only the end we could be caught in the speak of “environment’... The ewe. Of coutse it seems that samme tetp we try (0 prevent, You mete concept of environment 28 today universsyclaeses i Biology now... that is to lear, not ory that surrounding us, use the same are every time moze encapsulated by words, and wotds, and more meaning of separateness. (Using in claseoats of labortoties and ‘words, butalso by oiher ways. thie word and this philosophy, the ecriving so much informatio. OF course this may sound Wester ecological movement je If Biology is x science for like « children game.. But I think going out of way, for the pood of —gursiva, students tnust feel moze the situation we meet know is 3g corporations). Tis something aot ang be Sees "inforicated", you much dangerous that we need to cofsciovs. It is the sacred, when aow... "Termite" people’ only take in cent mote veciously the You fel the great "promiscvity” aye some one hundred years ‘ways other cultures, not modem- that permeates ALL of as by the inhabiting among concfete and Butopesn fave wed to lean, ‘ergy asd material Boxes that paviment, and this is only ia sate There are different waye of constiutes the CORE of the pans of the Each, Our cue mowing, different sciences that recent and revobuionary and house i relly outside these wwotk, and not only the modern holistic western science we call termite" buildings. And, atleast ECOLOGY, biologists that, in theory, stady Aga Antines ero dt OF course there's no life and the future of life, could Deparunento de logs Aninal de le golation, There ae different ways ty t0 connect more directly, (aot nivenidad de Mig C= by which cultures cam converse of ng, avo with, Bell aes by al nly thinking, aleo feeling)MuthidvapliQUE? at 2 the basis of thie life that is not ia concrete, Books or paviment.. OF course it depends on the sole society want for biologists. Ase they actually biologists or "necrologiss"? Why there ate so much differences berween che expectations of many people before to entry in Biolosy studies and that they actualy fad slong heir courses. Government, of course, today ate not very interested in. supporting holistic Biology courses. OF course students can be taken out 10 lancing in the Forests ‘What this aticle-interview pretead? This iss magazine aitile that will "compete" with all the many information that the reader will receive, Could I waite itas if this article would not go to this big competence "road"? Of course Tndian sacred dances are exotic, are very different fom other common activities and may produce in the people that make ir for fest time a sease of shame, Tt produces in the people sesction and, at the same time, « cerain repulsion, It attracts Deceuse this consumer society nnced every time different and new things to consume them. Indian cultures are in fashion. And they provoke repulsion because our Greck — Roman - Chistian ccltural_ substrate (many times unconsciously) tend to eect all pagan and heretic ideas and People sxy: there is no relation between dance and Biology. University knowledge is encapsulated in smaller and ssealet boxes..Pethaps with theatre..2 (They #33). We could at least imagine i another “revolutionary” way: How to dilute the mind walls of the University, and in a possible futuze, agsin all people to the forests] We are so much handicapped... We cannot survive in our "natural milieu’, you kknow., We cannot actual survive cating. plants or animals in the forestsnstead of the question: Why 10 go out to dance in the forests? We could ask: Can we survive outside concrete, paviment and credit cards? No one is alone. And the knowledge... Knowledge is, in Antonia Nemeth words, lke siver tha ie fd by many springs ALL the knowledge is collective. And in Indian world view, society, oF community ae global, ‘embracing ALL the life, ALL the Eazth, ALL the beings, not only Ihumans, ALL the snivesee. I Europesn modem calmare he feelings of private property begia with Myself, and’ we say "My body, My ny Moy My ol think T have, I make, I dive.” a8 if cach of us were autonomous beings that can survive in isolation from the global life community Tn an holistic way, itis very difficlt to put bere 4 good image of allthis work along these yeats.Take ia account (In Bart Kotko words) that when we speak, we simplify, and at simplifying, we lay. Humberto Matutsna, Chilean biologist says: to live is t0 know, you canaot separate the known from the lie. From the lst years, the indigenous world was opening to ie, beginning with my visits to “Morocco, to Himalaya and tothe land of the Mays people ia Cental Amesica. After that, es snd sepeated visite to Morocco snd increased contact with indigenous world thiotgh diferent courses and workshops, tnd other different information, and, specially, in the last 5 years period, renowned communication and work through many activities, with ‘Yemilotzia, Indigenous Mexican “Teacher. Tis i the way from the indigenous What about the way fom the westen modern knowledge, that is, fiom the Science? Simplifying, we may say that the smodeea Eropean waild view is bile over theee "cokimas': Greek philosophy, Romaa Right and Christian Retigion ‘When I began picking up lee pieces of indigenots wisdom ic seems frst to my mind a lle ke something exotic, very Jie 2001 fascinating, but too very far from. previously formed through indoctination in a solid modern European scientific cultute. (In fact this is the way many European people perceive the sacred indigenous dance in their fist contact with it, and before to receive a good explanation). Why? Because 1 went from an “apparently” very different world view. OF course the orthodox schools in modem European scvatific culnace are very much part from an indigenous point of view. But the learning all these years in the field of science and biology, has shown to me that out of the orthodoxy, in the History you may find many points in common with (oF nearest to) the indigenous. Ia this way, you become, in & certain manner, mote aware of your own indigenous origins and constitution, In this way Indigenous would be every human being aware of inhabiting fon and with Mother Earth. All this comtinuous approach to indigenous was and is accompanied or adjoining to a critic of the orthodox modes European thinking and a tour thiough other different snd non orthodox modern European schools of thinkiag. I have learned from many people around ‘me, mainly non biologi, in several ‘workgroups interdsciplinary in nature, outside and within the university “milieu ‘All these have made fo me more indisciptined and less disciplinary. It is good for university students to become more interdisciplinary, taking courses different from their main subject. You may see clementary schoolt nowadays, more diverse leaming ways are being ured, In this way, universities are far from that Why? In the universities it seeros to be # great appointment to teach so many data as possible. In general the groups of students are big, and the possible learning intersctions are reduced. Now they are people that sj that the solution for that problem of litle