Académique Documents
Professionnel Documents
Culture Documents
Definitions
When in time does the Fullness of Deity/God dwell in Christ?
The "Fullness" of God/Deity in Disciples.
The "Fullness" of Christ in Disciples.
God/Deity Dwells/Lives in Disciples.
Christ Dwells/Lives in Disciples
God/Deity Dwells/Lives in Christ
What Does "Bodily" Mean?
Part 0 Definitions:
Deity, Gk Theotes, is defined as either a or b.
a/ It is a direct replacement for the word God?
b/ It is not a direct replacement for the word God exactly or directly, but means
b1/ divine nature or quality
b2/ Godly nature or quality
b3/ God-hood or God-ness,
Because it is not possible to prove a definition due to lack of comparisons, the definition is therefore ambiguous
and vague rather than precise and clear-cut. Personally I feel it is incorrect to be basing a doctrinal argument on a
word that is in the bible once only. However because of the claim that Jesus is shown to be God by the use of this
passage, I am going to argue from their viewpoint that deity is a direct replacement for the word God.
Therefore Colossians 2:9 says "the fullness of God/deity is dwelling/living in Christ."
33 AD approx
Acts 16:7 they (Paul + Timothy) attempted to go into Bithynia, but the Spirit of Jesus did not allow them.
Philippians 1:19 for I know that through your prayers and Gods provision of the Spirit of Jesus Christ
2 Cor 5:16 Even though we once regarded Christ according to the flesh, we regard him thus no longer.
2 Corinthians was written by Paul in
56 AD approx
When Paul wrote to the Corinthians, 56AD approx, regarding their relationship with Christ he told them that they
shouldn't think of Christ as a fleshly human, but regard him as a spirit. See also John 13:21 Rom 8:9, 1 Peter 1:11
62 AD approx
Because Christ has not changed between 1 Corinthians and Colossians, he is still spirit at that time. The Colossian
Church, when thinking of Jesus Christ in 62 AD, should always "regard" him as a spirit.
Therefore Paul is NOT saying the fullness of the God dwells in the human physical body of Christ on the earth.
Paul is NOT looking back in time prior to 30AD so he did NOT say it used to dwell in him,
Paul IS saying that in the year 62AD the fullness of God/deity is dwelling in the spiritual heavenly Christ.
Thirty years after Christ left his physical body and became a spirit only, and always after that time, the fullness of
deity/God was dwelling in Christ. In heaven the spirit of God/deity is dwelling fully in Christs spirit, one spirit in
another spirit.
The significance of this is that both God/Deity and Christ were alive in 62 AD as individual spirits in heaven
where God/Deity is living in Christ, two of them. If the Deity/God chose not to live in Christ, they would still both
be in existence two of them. Christ can be alive with or without the fullness of the Deity/God dwelling in him, in a
similar way that other heavenly beings are alive.
Therefore it is true to say, disciples are filled with all fullness of God/Deity."
Because of vs16 it is my opinion that this refers to Gods Spirit in disciples.
Summary:
Ephesians 3:19
Disciples are filled with the fullness of God/Deity
In 62AD and any time after, disciples are filled with the fullness of God/Deity.
fullness dwells in Christ, we know from Ephesians 3:14-19 quoted earlier it is the fullness of God/Deity.
Currently, the fullness of God's/Deity's Spirit is dwelling in Christ's spirit.
Fullness of God/Deity Dwells In Christ
ESV Colossians 2:8-10
According to human tradition, according to the elemental Spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.
Kata ho anthropos ho paradosis kata ho stoicheion
ho kosmos kai ou kata
Christos
9 For
Kai
In 62 AD and any time after Christ is filled with the fullness of God/Deity, a Spirit living in him.
This being said, G4985/somatikos does not have any bearing on our understanding of Colossians 2:9.
Final Summary and Conclusion:
At any moment since Paul wrote to the Colossians, and since the time Christ died, the following is true;
Part 1 God/Deity and Christ are two individual spirit beings in heaven.
Part 2 Disciples
are filled with the fullness of God/Deity.
Part 3 Disciples
are filled with the fullness of Christ.
Part 4 God/Deity
dwells/lives in disciples.
Part 5 Christ
dwells/lives in disciples.
Part 6a Christ
is filled with the fullness of God/Deity.
Part 6b God/Deity
dwells/lives in Christ.
Finally, because what is said of Christ in Part 6a is also said of disciples and the Church in Part 2
and, because of what is said of Christ in Part 6b is also said of disciples and the Church in Part 4,
Colossians 1:19 and 2:9-10 do not conclude that Christ Jesus is God.
John 17:22-23 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one:
23
I in them and you in me.
1 John 4:15 If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him.
Appendix:
We have already confirmed at the beginning and during this analysis, for the sake of this argument, that the
definition of God is a direct replacement for Deity and vice versa. Whatever God is, Deity is. Whatever God
means, Deity means. If either is a noun or an adjective the other is the same. To say that Deity is not a direct
replacement for God in any of its definition means that any argument that Colossians 2:9 proves Jesus is God,
cannot even begin. To start adding or subtracting to the definition becomes personal opinion, rather than bible
based truth, and then we are back to the introduction where I stated that the term "deity" is ambiguous and
shouldn't be used in a doctrinal discussion. (As stated at the introduction, it is my belief that Deity is not a direct
replacement for God, and that this argument should have been settled there on the basis of that.)
Therefore, because we have determined that Col 2:9 does not, and cannot, prove Jesus is God, it is important that
teachers stop saying The Deity of Christ. We now know from the conclusions of this study that in actuality it
means the God of Christ which on its own is true, however when teachers say it they mean Jesus is God and
people hear it that way. Colossians does not say "the deity of Christ," it is not a biblical quote. When teachers say
"the deity of Christ" it deceives and misleads many into thinking this passage says something it certainly does not.