Case 5:09-cv-01015-GTS-ATB Document 119-4 Filed 0827/12 Page 72 of 74 10 as a6 wv a9 a Ey 2s 92 Have you ever soon that document? don't think 90 op OF ‘and would you agree that that typa of an evaluation is exactly the kind of information that would be haved with the treatment providers so that they could determine whether there was some alternative that should be pursued? AX think you'ze asking me to draw conclusions fon something that I'm nat comfortable drawing conclusions on, becaune I really do not have experience or do not have Inowledge of how doctors, caregivers interact with each other. You would fet me put St sore generically Would you agree that whatever the general protocol with eapect to saxegivers who have professional disagreements about partizular care, whatever the protocol is, in terns of sharing or 208 sharing information, you would expect. chat ‘that: would save been followed? A Yee © Okay. £ want to Just go into another area, and ‘then T thine we'ze going to wrap it up. Do you understand how an adolescent boy who le sodomized by a priest in the eacristy ant thereafter told by the priest that he mist: PRECISION REPORTERS, P.-C (315) 422-4280Case §:09-cv.01015-GTS-ATB Document 119-4 Filed 0827112 Page 73 of 74 1 |onfens, do you understand how that person could feel that 2 |dod himself had abandoned him? a HR. HANA: Fora, 4 It's possible that an individua? would feel S| enae way: ‘ @ Bo you understand how under those same 7 |cixcunstances that as the boy is now giving his confession to 4 [ene prieat that he could feel a spiritual apartness fron God 9 |ao you understand that? 10 We. naam: Porm a % Anyone who confesses, confesses because they 12 | do feet souething weong has taken place in their lite: a3 0 Perhaps I'm not being clear. The confession ae | so with xeepect to the act of sodomy that had just taken as | piace in che eacristy between the priest and the boy? all a6 | right? a A n-hm, Fry And the priest de now telling the hoy, "7 will 19 |eake your confession for this sin that you have just 20 |comnitted.' First of all, in your view aa a priest, has the a1 |boy comitted a sin under those elxcunstances? 22 MR. HANRAHAN: Form. a The boy ie culpable 2 © Im what: sense? a5 A Well, T mean, without knowing the PRECISION REPORTERS, PC (315) 422-4260Case 5:09-cv.01015-GTS-ATB Document 119-4 Filed 08/27/12 Page 74 of 74 1 |céxcunatances completely, did the hoy encourage, go along 2 |witn in any way 2 Bishop Cunningham, T'm talking about a 14- or 4 | 25-year-old hoy who ia asked to perform fellatio an an 5 adult who Je at least twice, 1f not three times, his age and 6 Juno is a priest, are you saying that under those 7 Jetzeumatances, you can imagine that the boy is somehow 8 | responsible, at any level, for that act ° eR, HANRAHAN: Form, 10 @ = in the eyes of the church? n AT would not -- ebvicusly, what the priest did 12 Juss wrong. You've asking me 1f the young man had any 13 feuipabtiity, and 1 can't judge that “4 © Mo, I'm asking you, as a priest who hears 15 | confession, 4£ a boy came to you, "Father, I ~~ T want to ac |conteaa this ein," and told you that in the confessional, 27 | woula you, in substance, be able to say to that boy, "You a8 | committed no ein"? a AT do not know whether 1 would say that 20 me, HRORAKAN: Form. a Have you ever heard of statutory rape? 2 AT have. 23 Bo you understand =~ you grew up in Now York; 26 | etone? 2s A rai PRECISTON REPORTERS, P.C. (13)422-4280