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Criminal Action
No. 13-10200-GAO
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APPEARANCES:
OFFICE OF THE UNITED STATES ATTORNEY
By: William D. Weinreb, Aloke Chakravarty and
Nadine Pellegrini, Assistant U.S. Attorneys
John Joseph Moakley Federal Courthouse
Suite 9200
Boston, Massachusetts 02210
- and UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
By: Steven D. Mellin, Assistant U.S. Attorney
Capital Case Section
1331 F Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20530
On Behalf of the Government
FEDERAL PUBLIC DEFENDER OFFICE
By: Miriam Conrad, William W. Fick and Timothy G. Watkins,
Federal Public Defenders
51 Sleeper Street
Fifth Floor
Boston, Massachusetts 02210
- and CLARKE & RICE, APC
By: Judy Clarke, Esq.
1010 Second Avenue
Suite 1800
San Diego, California 92101
- and LAW OFFICE OF DAVID I. BRUCK
By: David I. Bruck, Esq.
220 Sydney Lewis Hall
Lexington, Virginia 24450
On Behalf of the Defendant
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STEPHEN SILVA
Direct
By Mr. Chakravarty
By Ms. Conrad
Cross
Redirect
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Recross
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E X H I B I T S
GOVERNMENT'S
EXHIBIT
DESCRIPTION
FOR ID
RECEIVED
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Plea agreement
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Photograph
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930
Photograph
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928
Handgun
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1185-01
Photograph
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1185-12
Photograph
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1185-36
Photograph
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1201
Photograph
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820
Photograph
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1341
Photograph
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1178
Photograph
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P R O C E E D I N G S
MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
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THE CLERK:
the record, keep your voice up and speak into the mic.
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THE WITNESS:
S-I-L-V-A.
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DIRECT EXAMINATION
BY MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
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Good morning.
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Boston, Massachusetts.
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moved to Cambridge.
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Yes.
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brother.
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Yes.
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Q.
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Steven Silva.
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Yes.
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For what?
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distribution.
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Pending.
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Yes, I have.
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Yes, I have.
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pled guilty?
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Yes, I have.
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witness, please.
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Yes, I do.
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What is it?
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MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
Mr. Bruemmer.
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Yes, it is.
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Yes, I do.
MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
MS. CONRAD:
THE COURT:
No objection.
All right.
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BY MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
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sentence?
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Now, after you were arrested for your criminal case, did
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Yes, I did.
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Yes, I have.
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Yes, I have.
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MS. CONRAD:
Honor.
THE COURT:
BY MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
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Yes, I do.
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Yes, I do.
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he's wearing?
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I recognize him.
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Go ahead.
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THE COURT:
All right.
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BY MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
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meet him?
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Eighth grade.
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And how often did you see him while you were in eighth
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grade?
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Every day.
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Q.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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June 2011.
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All right.
MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
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What's that?
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Yes.
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MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
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MS. CONRAD:
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THE COURT:
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MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
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BY MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
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second.
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No objection.
All right.
I'll give it a
When you were in high school, how often would you interact
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day.
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Pretty often.
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Yes, we did.
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Florida.
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Yes.
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UMass Dartmouth.
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Yes, I did.
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How often?
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Pretty often.
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defendant?
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Dartmouth.
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Yes.
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I was lifeguarding.
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Yes.
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Yes, he did.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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high school?
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Per week?
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depending.
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marijuana?
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Yes, I did.
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So in the spring of 2012, when you came back did you see
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Yes, I did.
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Describe for the jury what would happen when you guys
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It depends.
When you went down to Florida, where would you get your
hung out.
You
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Yes.
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go to college?
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Yes.
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Yes, I did.
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I just felt it
So I thought I'd
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little bit.
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November 2012?
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Yes.
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Yes, I did.
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Silva --
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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A local supplier.
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Yes.
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About how much money were you making per week when you
came back?
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Yes.
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How often?
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this time?
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Pretty often.
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Yes.
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Who?
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My twin brother.
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October.
Less maybe.
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No.
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Marijuana, product.
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Yes.
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And did the three of you who lived together have that
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concern?
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Yes.
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Yes.
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With who?
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to obtain --
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Yes.
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been talking about obtaining a gun, and around the same time a
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Howie.
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Yes.
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Excuse me.
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Yes.
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After you got the gun, what did you do with it?
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panel.
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Repeat that?
in...
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THE WITNESS:
In my apartment in Revere.
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THE COURT:
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BY MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
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In a ceiling panel.
Okay.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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What was his reaction when you told him that you had a
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gun?
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Yes.
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Yes.
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What's the first time you remember taking the gun out of
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the apartment?
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to commit a robbery.
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My friend Nicholas.
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Yes.
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Cambridge.
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Yes.
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Me and Nicholas.
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When you got there, did you meet with two individuals?
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Yes, I did.
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Yes.
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backseat.
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seat.
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had asked to see the money; they had asked to see the
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marijuana.
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bag, pulled out the gun, cocked back the slide, and then that
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We were in the
We
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We left the car after we had the money and then they
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Yes.
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before?
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No.
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Yes.
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He laughed.
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Nothing.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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point?
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Yes, I did.
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associates.
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Yes.
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Now, after that early January trip with the gun, did you
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Yes.
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Sometime in January.
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him in person.
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anything?
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Yes.
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When you talked to him about the gun, did he ask you for
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MS. CONRAD:
THE COURT:
BY MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
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MS. CONRAD:
THE COURT:
BY MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
Objection.
Same objection.
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Yes.
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Rob.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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time?
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A.
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Yes.
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Yes, he was.
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Dias.
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Is it Dias Kadyrbayev?
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Yes, I did.
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usually do.
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Yes.
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Same thing we
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Yes.
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Yes.
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put it away.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Did the defendant say anything when you handed him the gun
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or the ammunition?
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The top slat part had kind of like a little reddish-orange hue
to it.
And it said "P95" on the top slide, and it also says "Ruger" on
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that mean?
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it.
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What does
And have you pled guilty to possessing this gun with the
Yes, I have.
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MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
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Yes.
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What is it?
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MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
introduced.
MS. CONRAD:
THE COURT:
THE COURT:
MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
No objection.
All right.
Displayed?
Please.
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BY MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
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on that you can touch, and if you put your finger on it, then
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it will put notes on the screen, so the jury can see what
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panel.
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the gun.
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THE COURT:
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(Pause.)
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MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
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It has the
You may.
an item in my hand that has been rendered safe, and I want the
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Yes.
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tint.
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MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
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MS. CONRAD:
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THE COURT:
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No objection.
All right.
928 is admitted.
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defendant and you showed him the gun, did he take it?
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How long after you showed him the first time did he take
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it?
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up?
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Yes.
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gave it to him?
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What did he
Were you expecting to get the gun back shortly after you
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Yes, I was.
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And how long after you had given him the gun did you
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Yes.
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usually do.
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Ammo, bullets.
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know.
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Yes.
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When you gave him the gun, was he alone or with anyone?
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Yes.
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UMass Dartmouth.
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Yes.
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After you gave him the gun, when's the next time you
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We would refer to it
to give him back, you know, the gun that he let me borrow.
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first place?
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So I wanted
Did Howie explain to you why he gave you the gun in the
MS. CONRAD:
Objection.
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THE COURT:
Sustained.
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BY MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
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obliterated or not?
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Did you tell Howie why you couldn't give the gun back?
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Yes.
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Q.
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Was -- when you received the gun, was the serial number
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Yes, I did.
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Yes.
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Nicholas.
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Q.
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Yes, he did.
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would come, he was in a rush, "I couldn't bring it," was just
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point?
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No.
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MS. CONRAD:
Objection.
Objection.
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THE COURT:
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BY MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
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Overruled.
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time?
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Yes.
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No, I do not.
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Where is it?
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No idea.
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How good of
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Yes, I did.
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Yes.
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classes?
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Q.
conversations?
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Yes.
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Describe it.
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Yes.
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about American foreign policy in the Middle East and what are
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the sort of issues that America deals with in the Middle East.
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culture, you know, to tell them what to do, stuff like that.
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Americans
force people to believe in what they believe and not let them
live their own lives or believe their own things that they want
to believe in.
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Cambridge?
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Yes.
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When?
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Yes.
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into an argument, and me and my twin brother left the house for
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Q.
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Yeah.
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Q.
When you got to his house in Cambridge, had you been there
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before?
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Q.
And was there anyone else at home when you got there?
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A.
Q.
Brother's wife?
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Yes.
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A.
the top bunk bed, and the defendant and my brother were
Q.
The TV show?
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Yes.
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Yes.
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MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
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Yes.
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Q.
What is it?
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MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
1185-12.
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What's that?
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Q.
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Yes.
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Q.
I was on
Call up 1185-01.
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1185-36.
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Yes.
Q.
What is that?
A.
Q.
Is it a desktop or a laptop?
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Yes.
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A.
Yes.
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Q.
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A.
Yes.
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MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
1201, please.
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Yes.
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Q.
What is that?
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That's a flag.
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Yes.
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at that time.
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THE COURT:
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MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
THE COURT:
MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
Which one?
I'm sorry.
with.
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A.
Yes.
Q.
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Yes.
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MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
1185-12.
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Q.
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A.
Yes.
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Q.
It's a bunkbed?
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the computer?
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Q.
Over there?
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Okay.
MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
1185-36.
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Yes.
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Q.
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Yes.
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direction?
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Which
I believe the flag was along the wall towards the middle
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of the room.
MS. CONRAD:
other picture?
MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
BY MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
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A.
The flag on the wall that I showed you earlier, was that
Yeah.
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MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
Okay.
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1201?
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Yes.
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defendant's house?
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Yes.
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River.
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Yes.
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This
THE COURT:
This is in evidence?
MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
It is in evidence.
BY MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
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Yes, I do.
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Yes, it does.
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(Witness complies.)
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All right.
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Sorry.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Q.
And next to the Mobil Gas Station where you just circled,
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Yes.
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Q.
Okay.
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Yes.
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Q.
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Yes.
So you just --
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MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
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Exhibit 743.
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Yes, it is.
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Every day.
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Yes.
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Q.
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Yes.
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Q.
Did you ever know him to wear a knit hat, like in the
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winter?
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Yes.
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Q.
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MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
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A.
Yes.
Is that right?
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Q.
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Yes.
MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
MS. CONRAD:
THE COURT:
MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
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No objection.
All right.
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Strike that.
1349.
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Yes.
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bedroom?
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A.
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Q.
The same flag you just were talking about a little while
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ago?
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A.
Yes.
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A.
Yes.
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Q.
A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
Yes.
MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
MS. CONRAD:
Honor, but I can't even see what the writing is, and I don't
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MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
published, then.
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THE COURT:
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MS. CONRAD:
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The jury's
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THE COURT:
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MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
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THE COURT:
That's a better...
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All right.
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MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
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THE COURT:
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MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
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Okay.
Or another witness will lay the
foundation.
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THE COURT:
All right.
Fine.
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BY MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
Q.
A.
Q.
A.
Q.
A.
Q.
Who is Aza?
A.
10
11
Q.
Is it Tazhayakov?
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A.
Yes.
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Q.
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A.
Yes.
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Q.
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A.
Repeat that?
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Q.
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A.
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A.
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that I don't know the names of, a girl named Pamela, and
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Honor.
Q.
A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
Q.
A.
I don't.
Q.
10
A.
I believe in November.
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Q.
12
A.
No.
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Q.
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A.
Yes.
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Q.
All right.
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A.
Yes.
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MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
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MS. CONRAD:
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MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
No objection.
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BY MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
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Q.
For the jury, can you just circle Aza and Dias again?
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A.
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Q.
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A.
No, I do not.
Q.
A.
No.
Q.
MS. CONRAD:
MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
Honor.
BY MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
Foundation.
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Q.
11
A.
No, I do not.
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Q.
13
A.
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Q.
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A.
April 2013.
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Q.
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A.
Yes.
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A.
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apartment complex.
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MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
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23
I'm sorry.
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25
744.
I don't
THE COURT:
MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
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It is.
Thank you.
BY MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
Q.
A.
Yes, I do.
Q.
A.
Yes, it is.
Q.
10
A.
(Witness indicates.)
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Q.
That building?
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defendant?
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A.
(Witness indicates.)
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Q.
Okay.
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structure.
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A.
Yes.
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Q.
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birthday?
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A.
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Q.
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A.
Yes.
23
Q.
Who?
24
A.
Dias.
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Q.
A.
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I was with
handed me some money, and then I left the car to go grab the
marijuana.
Q.
A.
Yes.
10
Q.
11
A.
Yes.
12
Q.
13
A.
Yes.
14
Q.
What happened?
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A.
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A.
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He -- I don't know.
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The defendant
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told the defendant, you know, I loved him, and then I got out
of the car.
Q.
A.
Q.
A.
Q.
10
A.
Yes.
11
Q.
How?
12
A.
13
14
Q.
15
A.
Social media.
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Q.
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A.
18
Q.
Had you ever spoken with the defendant before about the
19
marathon?
20
A.
Yes.
21
Q.
When?
22
A.
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24
Q.
25
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A.
Q.
When did you first see pictures of the defendant after the
2013 marathon?
A.
Q.
A.
Yeah.
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8
MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
Q.
No.
Do you recognize --
MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
10
Honor.
11
Q.
12
circle?
13
A.
Yes.
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Q.
15
A.
The defendant.
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Q.
Now, the person who's circled, did you ever meet that
17
person before?
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A.
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Q.
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A.
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Q.
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Yes, I have.
MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
Q.
Go to Exhibit 751.
Sorry.
A.
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Yes.
MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
749, please.
Q.
the defendant?
A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
Q.
A.
Yes.
10
Q.
11
A.
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Q.
13
A.
I did nothing.
14
shocked.
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Q.
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selling.
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A.
Yes.
19
Q.
Marijuana?
20
A.
Yes.
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Q.
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A.
Yes.
23
Q.
When?
24
A.
25
Q.
Is that
I was pretty
I didn't
I stopped selling.
A.
pills.
Q.
A.
Q.
A.
Yes.
Q.
Molly.
A.
A form of Ecstasy.
10
Q.
11
A.
Yes.
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Q.
13
A.
Yes.
14
Q.
15
A.
Yes.
16
Q.
For what?
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A.
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Q.
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A.
Pending.
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Q.
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A.
Yes, I did.
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Q.
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A.
Yes, I did.
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Q.
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A.
Same.
What is Molly?
Weed.
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Q.
A.
Yes, I did.
Q.
To whom?
A.
A confidential informant.
Q.
A.
Q.
And how many times did you sell drugs to that person?
A.
Q.
Of heroin?
10
A.
Yes.
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Q.
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A.
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Q.
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A.
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Q.
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Yes, I did.
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A.
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A.
Yes, it is.
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what the maximum sentences are and the minimum sentences are in
24
your case?
25
A.
Yes.
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Q.
in your case?
A.
Q.
A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
Yes.
Q.
10
A.
11
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Q.
14
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A.
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Q.
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A.
Yes.
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Q.
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A.
Five years.
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Q.
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A.
22
Q.
After you were arrested, did the government show you video
23
24
informant?
25
A.
Twenty years max for each count, and I believe it's about
Q.
to the defendant?
A.
Yes.
Q.
Why?
A.
Q.
A.
Yes.
Q.
activities?
53
Did you tell that person about the gun that you had given
10
A.
Yes, I have.
11
Q.
12
A.
Yes.
13
Q.
Did you tell the government about who you got the gun
14
from?
15
MS. CONRAD:
Objection.
Leading.
16
THE COURT:
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BY MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
18
Q.
19
from?
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A.
Yes.
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Q.
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A.
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5K1 motion.
Overruled.
Did you tell the government about who you got the gun
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Q.
A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
somebody.
Q.
A.
Q.
And why?
10
A.
11
12
Q.
13
do that?
14
A.
Yes.
15
MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
Excuse me.
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MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
I don't
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THE COURT:
All right.
at this point.
THE CLERK:
The
(The Court and the jury entered the courtroom at 11:44 a.m.)
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somebody.
A.
Q.
10
11
A.
Of course not.
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Q.
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A.
I did not.
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Q.
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A.
Yes.
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Q.
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A.
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prosecuting you?
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A.
Yes.
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A.
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A.
Q.
A.
Q.
A.
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Russian.
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MS. CONRAD:
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THE COURT:
I'm not
Objection.
Overruled.
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Q.
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A.
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Q.
Kafir.
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A.
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Q.
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A.
Q.
April of 2013?
A.
Yes, it was.
Q.
A.
Yes, it was.
Last time you saw the defendant before today was back in
MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
Q.
A.
Good morning.
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Q.
11
Jahar's lawyers.
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A.
Yes.
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Q.
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A.
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Q.
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did he?
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A.
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Q.
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A.
Yes, I did.
23
Q.
24
A.
We'd talk about religion, not in depth, not all the time,
25
no.
Q.
religion?
A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
Yes.
10
Q.
11
12
bombing.
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A.
Yes, I was.
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Q.
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Q.
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You also told the Rolling Stone that he never talked about
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MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
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THE COURT:
Overruled.
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A.
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Q.
24
again?
25
A.
Q.
Yeah, sure.
A.
Q.
right?
A.
Yes, I was.
Q.
A.
Yes, I was.
Q.
10
MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
11
THE COURT:
No.
12
A.
Yes.
13
Q.
And during -- in fact, what you told them was that you
14
15
bombing?
16
MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
17
THE COURT:
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Q.
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Sustained to that.
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MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
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THE COURT:
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Q.
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right?
25
A.
Sustained.
Yes.
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Q.
Close friends?
A.
Q.
A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
Q.
A.
Yes, he was.
10
Q.
Popular?
11
A.
Yes, he was.
12
Q.
And one of the realest and coolest kids that you knew?
13
A.
14
Q.
And you felt that way still even after you started
15
16
right?
17
A.
Yes.
18
Q.
19
20
A.
Yes.
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Q.
22
A.
No.
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Q.
24
A.
No.
25
Q.
He was kindhearted?
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A.
Yes, he was.
Q.
A.
Q.
A.
Yes, he was.
Q.
you could come up with of him getting annoyed or angry was when
10
A.
Yes.
11
Q.
12
A.
Yes.
13
Q.
But you never heard him say anything that showed that he
14
15
A.
No.
16
Q.
17
18
19
MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
A.
Yes.
20
THE COURT:
Sustained.
21
Q.
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A.
Yes.
23
Q.
24
A.
Sometimes, yes.
25
Q.
A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
I do.
Q.
reelected?
MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
10
THE COURT:
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Sustained.
11
Q.
And you talked a little bit about how you and he smoked
12
13
A.
Yeah.
14
Q.
And that was one of the things that you did together,
15
right?
16
A.
Yup.
17
Q.
But there were other things you did together, too, right?
18
A.
Yes.
19
Q.
20
off cliffs?
21
A.
Yes.
22
Q.
23
A.
A lake, reservoir.
24
Q.
25
A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
Yes.
Q.
Chased girls?
A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
Yeah.
Q.
marijuana, right?
A.
10
11
Q.
12
13
14
marijuana smoking.
THE COURT:
A.
17
18
You didn't tell the government that you used peer pressure
MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
15
16
I can't recall.
MS. CONRAD:
Q.
Overruled.
One moment.
19
MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
20
THE COURT:
21
MS. CONRAD:
Sustained.
Well, I'll move on since I can't find it
22
at the moment.
23
Q.
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25
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MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
It's being
THE COURT:
MS. CONRAD:
THE COURT:
Q.
corrupted?
Sustained.
It's impeachment.
Sustained.
MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
THE COURT:
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Q.
Sustained.
Now, you were really good friends with him, but I think
10
11
12
A.
13
Q.
14
A.
Yes.
15
Q.
And you had been friends with him at that point for,
16
17
A.
18
Q.
Okay.
19
right?
20
A.
Yes.
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Q.
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A.
Yes.
23
Q.
24
A.
25
time.
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Q.
A.
Yeah.
Q.
A.
Q.
Did you ever wonder why he didn't want you to come to his
apartment?
MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
THE COURT:
Q.
Sustained.
10
right?
11
A.
12
Q.
13
MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
14
THE COURT:
Overruled.
15
A.
Yes, he did.
16
Q.
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MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
18
THE COURT:
19
Q.
Sustained.
20
MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
21
THE COURT:
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A.
23
No.
24
Q.
25
A.
Yes, I did.
Q.
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MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
THE COURT:
Overruled.
A.
Q.
10
A.
11
Q.
12
A.
I can't recall.
13
Q.
14
15
A.
Yes.
16
MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
17
THE COURT:
Sustained.
18
Q.
Did you ever observe, when you were out with him, how he
19
20
A.
Yes.
21
Q.
22
MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
23
THE COURT:
Sustained.
24
Q.
25
MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
THE COURT:
MS. CONRAD:
Q.
Sustained.
State of mind, your Honor.
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THE COURT:
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THE COURT:
MS. CONRAD:
10
11
think this is part of it, what he told him about his family.
12
THE COURT:
13
MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
14
motions in limine so --
15
16
No.
THE COURT:
.
17
Okay.
New topic.
18
19
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21
Q.
22
23
24
A.
25
Q.
Okay.
at Rindge."
A.
"While at Rindge" --
Q.
A.
(Witness complies).
5
6
Okay.
Q.
7
8
MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
Q.
-- on August 4th?
MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
10
MS. CONRAD:
11
MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
12
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First --
It's impeachment.
It's -- it's not clear whether it's
13
MS. CONRAD:
14
impeachment.
15
Q.
16
try marijuana?
17
MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
18
THE COURT:
19
A.
20
pressure.
21
Q.
Overruled.
22
MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
23
THE COURT:
24
Q.
25
year, right?
Overruled.
A.
Q.
A.
Yeah.
Q.
A.
Q.
What did you mean when you said "peer pressure" to the
69
10
11
A.
12
term.
13
Q.
14
15
MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
16
THE COURT:
Objection.
Overruled.
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Q.
18
marijuana"?
19
A.
Yes.
20
Q.
21
22
23
A.
Yes.
24
Q.
And that was the only time you had been there, right?
25
A.
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Q.
right?
A.
Yes.
Q.
was?
A.
Yes.
Q.
And you don't know who used the items in that room when he
A.
No, I do not.
10
Q.
You don't know, for example, who else might have used that
11
computer?
Summer break?
12
13
MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
answered.
14
Asked and
No.
Go ahead.
15
of it.
16
Q.
17
right?
18
A.
No, I do not.
19
Q.
You don't know who put the items that you saw in those
20
21
A.
No, I do not.
22
Q.
23
24
A.
Yes.
25
Q.
You don't know who else would have used that computer,
71
So you got the gun, and you told -- you and Nick and your
A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
Yes.
Q.
And then -- and that was what?, over the phone or over
Twitter?
A.
I can't recall.
10
person.
11
Q.
12
you talked to him about it in person, you showed him the gun,
13
right?
14
A.
15
Q.
16
about the gun over the phone or something before you actually
17
showed it to him?
18
A.
Yes.
19
Q.
20
21
A.
Yes.
22
Q.
23
24
A.
25
Q.
I don't remember.
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A.
Q.
And at the time he asked you for it, you had already told
him about the robbery that you and Nick Silva had done
together, right?
A.
Yes.
Q.
right?
A.
Yes.
Q.
And after you loaned Jahar the gun, you kept asking for
10
11
A.
Yes, I did.
12
Q.
13
A.
14
Q.
15
16
Jahar, right?
17
A.
Yes.
18
Q.
It's not like you got it back later and then were arrested
19
20
A.
You're right.
21
Q.
And so when you kept asking him to give it back, you said
22
23
A.
Yes.
24
Q.
25
A.
No.
Q.
anymore?
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MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
THE COURT:
Sustained.
Q.
A.
I did.
Q.
A.
Q.
10
A.
11
12
Q.
13
MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
14
THE COURT:
Sustained.
15
Q.
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MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
18
THE COURT:
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Q.
20
Sustained.
Would you have loaned him the gun if he told you it was
21
MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
22
THE COURT:
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Q.
24
25
A.
Would you have loaned him the gun if he told you it was
No.
74
Q.
Now, this robbery that you told us about, you -- that you
did?
A.
Yes.
Q.
You didn't tell the Feds about that the first, second,
third or even fourth time that you sat down with them, did you?
A.
Q.
In fact, what you told them was that you didn't believe in
A.
Yes, I did.
10
Q.
And, in fact, you told them that you had never discussed a
11
12
right?
13
A.
Yes.
14
Q.
15
A.
Yes.
16
Q.
17
look good?
18
A.
Yes.
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Q.
20
A.
No.
21
Q.
22
23
A.
Yes.
24
Q.
25
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A.
Yes.
Q.
right?
A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
Yes.
Q.
And you know that the judge doesn't have to go with the
10
11
right?
12
A.
Yes.
13
Q.
And until the prosecutor files that motion, the judge has
14
15
A.
16
Q.
17
18
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MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
20
THE COURT:
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MS. CONRAD:
22
THE COURT:
Overruled.
I'm sorry?
He may answer it.
23
A.
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Q.
25
motion, right?
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A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
Q.
A.
Yes, it was.
Q.
10
A.
11
Q.
12
you've had a chance to fill your end of the deal for the
13
government, right?
14
A.
Yes.
15
Q.
And they didn't want you to get sentenced until after you
16
17
MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
18
THE COURT:
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Q.
20
Sustained.
21
22
Q.
23
It's in
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25
assistance motion"?
Thank you.
A.
2
3
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Yes.
MS. CONRAD:
926.
MR. MELLIN:
Yes, it is.
MS. CONRAD:
Q.
10
Attorney."
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Q.
Yeah.
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A.
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A.
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MS. CONRAD:
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MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
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Page 10 -- 9, please?
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A.
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Yes.
MR. CHAKRAVARTY:
Q.
A.
Yes.
Q.
10
immunity.
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12
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in a prosecution for:
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18
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20
violence"?
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A.
Yes.
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A.
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truth.
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obstruct justice?
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immunity mean?
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carefully lay out the details of what the agreement is with the
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might be?
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put up on the screen, was that something that you had written?
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MS. CONRAD:
Some questions.
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there and the government doesn't like it, they can cancel your
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Sustained.
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And you also -- since you've been down at the jail, you've
done a few things that are certainly illegal, right?
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Sustained.
Well, it has to do with violating the
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Objection.
Argumentative.
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Has the government told you that, because you have been
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THE COURT:
Sustained.
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files a motion, the judge has no choice but to give you five
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Objection.
Thank
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