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Exhibit 201
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Appendix I: Exhibits
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HOGR ATF - 001571
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HOGR ATF - 001572
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Exhibit 202
Exhibit 202
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RC-1
RC-6
RC-1
RC-1
HOGR USAO 003087

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Exhibit 203
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RC-1 RC-1
HOGR DOJ 005479

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Exhibit 204
Exhibit 204
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HOGR DOJ 005543

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HOGR DOJ 005544

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HOGR DOJ 005545

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HOGR DOJ 005546

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Exhibit 205
Exhibit 205
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RC-1 RC-1 RC-1 RC-1 RC-1 RC-1 RC-1 RC-1 RC-1
HOGR DOJ 006016

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Exhibit 206
Exhibit 206
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HOGR ATF - 001583
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Exhibit 207
Exhibit 207
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RC-1
RC-1
HOGR WR 003575
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Exhibit 208
Exhibit 208
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Newell Personal Email
RC-1 RC-1
HOGR DOJ 005537

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HOGR DOJ 005538

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Exhibit 209
Exhibit 209
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HOGR ATF - 001356
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HOGR ATF - 001357
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HOGR ATF - 001358
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HOGR ATF - 001359
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HOGR ATF - 001360
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HOGR ATF - 001361
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HOGR ATF - 001362
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HOGR ATF - 001363
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HOGR ATF - 001364
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HOGR ATF - 001365
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HOGR ATF - 001366
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HOGR ATF - 001367
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HOGR ATF - 001368
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HOGR ATF - 001369
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HOGR ATF - 001370
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HOGR ATF - 001371
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HOGR ATF - 001372
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HOGR ATF - 001373
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HOGR ATF - 001374
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HOGR ATF - 001375
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HOGR ATF - 001376
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HOGR ATF - 001377
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HOGR ATF - 001378
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HOGR ATF - 001381
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HOGR ATF - 001384
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HOGR ATF - 001385
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HOGR ATF - 001386
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HOGR ATF - 001389
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HOGR ATF - 001390
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HOGR ATF - 001391
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HOGR ATF - 001392
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HOGR ATF - 001393
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HOGR ATF - 001394
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Exhibit 210
Exhibit 210
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HOGR WR 003391
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HOGR WR 003392
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RC-3 RC-3
HOGR WR 003393
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Exhibit 211
Exhibit 211
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RC-1
RC-3
RC-4
RC-1 RC-1
HOGR WR 005189
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Exhibit 212
Exhibit 212
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HOGR WR 003367
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HOGR WR 003368
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Exhibit 213
Exhibit 213
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RC-1
HOGR WR 005315
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Exhibit 214
Exhibit 214
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1269
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Exhibit 215
Exhibit 215
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RC-3
HOGR WR 005243
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RC-5 RC-5
HOGR WR 005244
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RC-5 RC-3
HOGR WR 005245
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HOGR WR 005246
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Exhibit 216
Exhibit 216
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RC-1
RC-3
RC-3
HOGR WR 005412
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RC-1
RC-1 RC-1
HOGR WR 005413
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Exhibit 217
Exhibit 217
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RC-5 RC-5
RC-2
RC-2
HOGR ATF 004993

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RC-2
RC-3 RC-3 RC-3
RC-2
RC-2
HOGR ATF 004994

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RC-2
RC-1 RC-1
HOGR ATF 004995

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RC-4
RC-4 RC-4 RC-4
RC-4
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RC-4 RC-3 RC-3
RC-4 RC-4 RC-4 RC-4 RC-4
RC-4
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HOGR ATF 004997

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Exhibit 218
Exhibit 218
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1286
Exhibit 219
Exhibit 219
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HOGR WR 003364
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HOGR WR 003365
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Exhibit 220
Exhibit 220
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RC-5
RC-3
RC-1 RC-5
RC-3 RC-3
RC-4
RC-1
RC-4
RC-4
HOGR DOJ 006330

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RC-1
RC-5
HOGR DOJ 006331

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Exhibit 221
Exhibit 221
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RC-2 RC-2 RC-2 RC-3
RC-2
RC-2
HOGR DOJ 006303

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Exhibit 222
Exhibit 222
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RC-1
RC-7
RC-1
RC-7
HOGR DOJ 006350

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RC-1
RC-1 RC-1 RC-1 RC-1 RC-1 RC-1 RC-1
RC-1 RC-1
RC-1
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HOGR DOJ 006352

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Exhibit 223
Exhibit 223
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HOGR ATF - 002269
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Exhibit 224
Exhibit 224
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RC-1 RC-1 RC-1 RC-1 RC-1 RC-1
RC-1
HOGR DOJ 006364

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RC-1
RC-1
HOGR DOJ 006365

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RC-4 RC-4
HOGR DOJ 006366

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HOGR DOJ 006367

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RC-1
HOGR DOJ 006368

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Exhibit 225
Exhibit 225
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HOGR ATF - 002243
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HOGR ATF - 002244
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HOGR ATF - 002245
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HOGR ATF - 002246
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Exhibit 226
Exhibit 226
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HOGR ATF - 002253
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HOGR ATF - 002254
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HOGR ATF - 002255
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HOGR ATF - 002256
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Exhibit 227
Exhibit 227
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RC-1
RC-1
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RC-1
HOGR DOJ 006778

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RC-1 RC-1 RC-1 RC-1
HOGR DOJ 006779

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Exhibit 228
Exhibit 228
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HOGR ATF - 001905
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HOGR ATF - 001906
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HOGR ATF - 001907
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HOGR ATF - 001908
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HOGR ATF - 001909
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HOGR ATF - 001911
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Exhibit 229
Exhibit 229
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Exhibit 230
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HOGR HRNDZ 003239

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Exhibit 231
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HOGR DOJ 006494

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Exhibit 232
Exhibit 232
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HOGR ATF - 001895
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HOGR ATF - 001896
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HOGR ATF - 001897
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HOGR ATF - 001898
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HOGR ATF - 001900
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HOGR ATF - 001901
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Exhibit 233
Exhibit 233
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RC-5 RC-3
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HOGR DOJ 006601

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Exhibit 234
Exhibit 234
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HOGR DOJ 006656

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HOGR DOJ 006657

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HOGR DOJ 006658

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HOGR DOJ 006659

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Exhibit 235
Exhibit 235
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HOGR ATF - 001195
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HOGR ATF - 001196
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Exhibit 236
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HOGR ATF - 001477
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HOGR ATF - 001478
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Exhibit 237
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Exhibit 238
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Exhibit 239
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Exhibit 240
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Exhibit 241
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HOGR ATF 000884

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Exhibit 242
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Exhibit 243
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Exhibit 244
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Exhibit 245
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Exhibit 246
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Exhibit 249
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RPTS MERCHANT DCMN HOFSTAD
COMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT AND GOVERNMENT REFORM, U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, WASHINGTON, D.C.
INTERVIEW OF:
STEPHEN MARTIN
Wednesday, July 6, 2011
Washington, D.C.
The interview in the above matter was held in Room 2247, House Office Building, commencing at 10:00 a.m.
Rayburn
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Appearances:
For the HOUSE COMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT AND GOVERNMENT REFORM:
STEVE CASTOR, CHIEF COUNSEL, INVESTIGATIONS ASHOK M. PINTO, DEPUTY CHIEF COUNSEL, INVESTIGATIONS CARLTON DAVIS, COUNSEL HENRY J. KERNER, COUNSEL SCOTT LINDSAY, MINORITY COUNSEL JUSTIN KIM, MINORITY PROFESSIONAL STAFF
For the SENATE COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY:
JASON A. FOSTER, CHIEF INVESTIGATIVE COUNSEL BRIAN M. DOWNEY, INVESTIGATOR MATT VIRKSTIS, MINORITY SENIOR COUNSEL
For the U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE:
MOLLY GASTON, ATTORNEY ADVISOR, OFFICE OF LEGISLATIVE AFFAIRS
For MR. MARTIN:
GREG SERRES, DEPUTY CHIEF COUNSEL, ATF
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So you said you were writing down the number of guns that
Mr. Patino bought, Mr. Steward had bought, and Mr. Moore had bought. Do you remember at this point how many guns had been purchased total? A Q A Q to say? A Q A Q A That's quite a few. Okay. Yes. What happened next? What was the discussion that ensued? That's fair. 685-ish. 685. Something like that. Okay. This seems like a fairly high number, is that fair
So Mr. Leadmon and everybody left the room?
From my notes, I asked Mr. Chait and Mr. McMahon, I said, I said, what's your plan? And I said, hearing
what's your plan?
none -- and I don't know if they had one -- I said, well, you know, there are some things that we can do. Ray Rowley, who was the southwest
border czar at the time, asked, how long are you going to let this go on? BY MR. CASTOR: Q A retired. So I said, well, here are some things that, you know, we might think of doing. And we had talked about this before, we'd brainstormed Lorren even talked about it. Kevin talked This is in January 2010? January 5th, that meeting, that's correct. Ray has since
stuff, too, with Lorren.
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about it.
Kevin O'Keefe had done a lot of trafficking investigations
in south Florida -- about identifying some weak straw purchasers, let's see who the weak links are, maybe the super young ones, the super old ones. Pole cameras, you know, put them up to see who is coming and The aerial surveillance, the
going, to help you with surveillance. mobile surveillance, trackers.
I said, you know, one of the first
things I would do is think about putting trackers, to help me keep track of where they're going. And I said, as far as going into Mexico, I said, have we thought about putting trackers on them and let them -- follow them into Mexico? Dan Kumor said, the Ambassador would never go for that. fine. I said, okay,
I said, I'm not going to pursue that anymore, assuming that. Had we thought about putting trackers on them and following them
down to see where they're going across, to see where they go, who they're in contact with, and where they cross the border, we might find out something new and then, you know, interdict. And I wasn't asking for one. out. Q A You said this to who again, Mr. Chait? Mr. Chait, Mr. McMahon, Mr. Kumor. My boss was there, Jim And I got no response.
I was just, you know, throwing this stuff
McDermond, who agreed with me because we talked probably daily. Q Did any of those folks step up at that time and say, "Oh, We've got another great plan in place"? No. They were silent?
no, no, no. A No.
Mr. Davis.
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Mr. Martin. could have.
Yes.
And I don't know if they had one.
I mean, they
I don't know.
BY MR. CASTOR: Q Do you remember if they were nodding their head, giving you
any nonverbal cues that, you know, this sounds like a bright idea that you're suggesting? A Q A Not that I recall, no. Or was it just like a blank look on their face? Just listening. Did you mention Hoover? He was not. The tracker was a big thing because, you know, Was he there, as well?
Mr. Kerner. Mr. Martin.
So that continued.
we had talked about trackers before, maybe a month prior, when I found out -- because, to me, that would be a common thing to do, try to put some trackers on stuff, especially if you have .50-cals going. And I was trying to work with Kevin O'Keefe, and Kevin O'Keefe was trying to work with the ASACs through a side channel to try to get them to contact the people that we could get the trackers from to put on. Somewhere during the meeting, Mr. Chait said that he had to go to another meeting, and he left. Mr. McMahon said that he had to go And then it
check some emails in a classified system, and he left. was just the rest of us talking. BY MR. DAVIS: Q
Do you feel that the other meeting, checking the emails on
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me, you have five or six cartels. the major one's Sinaloa.
That's too many to go through.
And
And that seems to be the one that we're So let's look at the
getting a lot of traffic with, with Phoenix.
strategy, how we would do investigations, attack the southwest border with the Sinaloa cartel. So I tasked Ray Rowley, who is in the field ops chain, and Kevin to sit down and come up with some kind of strategy -- and Lorren also -- to how we could get with DEA, identify the structures of the DTO, Sinaloa cartel, who is the head and who the flow chart is so we could see who's who instead of when a gun pops up or a straw purchaser tells us about something, we don't know anything. ATF doesn't. don't. DEA may, because they have the information but we The other task was, how can we -- rather
So that was one task.
than just prosecute one straw purchaser over time, how can we take information, how can we stretch it to use firearms to get into the DTOs to find connections in Mexico? Q A Okay. And that was me as an OSII trying to do that for a field ops. It was something that I could look and say, Now it took So that was the whole purpose.
It wasn't our strategy.
let's see if we can do this and see if it will fly.
from -- that started, I think, in November, October, November, December of '09 -- I don't remember exactly -- and didn't get published until I think September of '10. Q A What do you mean, published? It didn't get put out. It wasn't a final product. So I do
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know, and Ray Rowley would know a lot because he was a southwest border coordinator in the field ops and was very involved in it. And I know And up I
that he -- again, very outspoken on firearms down in Mexico.
until the time he left and he retired, nothing happened with it. think they were just sitting for a while. September, it was finalized. SACs and everybody else.
So -- and then finally in
It was published and then emailed to the
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HOGR ATF - 001987
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Exhibit 252
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HOGR ATF - 001424
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HOGR ATF - 001425
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HOGR ATF - 001426
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HOGR ATF - 001427
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HOGR ATF - 001428
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Exhibit 253
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HOGR ATF - 001424
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HOGR ATF - 001425
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HOGR ATF - 001426
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HOGR ATF - 001427
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HOGR ATF - 001428
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Exhibit 254
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HOGR ATF - 001167
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HOGR ATF - 001168
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HOGR ATF - 001169
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Exhibit 255
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HOGR ATF - 001175
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HOGR ATF - 001176
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HOGR ATF - 001177
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Exhibit 256
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HOGR ATF - 001990
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HOGR ATF - 001991
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Exhibit 257
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HOGR ATF - 001589
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Exhibit 258
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Exhibit 259
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RC-1
HOGR WR 003403
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Exhibit 260
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HOGR DOJ 003249

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RC-2
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HOGR DOJ 003250

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Exhibit 261
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RC-2
HOGR DOJ 003358

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RC-2
RC-6
HOGR DOJ 003359

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HOGR DOJ 003360

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RC-2
HOGR DOJ 003361

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RC-2
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Exhibit 262
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HOGR DOJ 002832

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Exhibit 263
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HOGR DOJ 003270

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Exhibit 264
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HOGR ATF - 002081
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HOGR ATF - 002082
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Exhibit 265
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Exhibit 266
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Fast and Furious: The Anatomy of a Failed Operation

HOGR ATF - 001571

Fast and Furious: The Anatomy of a Failed Operation

HOGR ATF - 001572

Fast and Furious: The Anatomy of a Failed Operation

Fast and Furious: The Anatomy of a Failed Operation

HOGR USAO 003087

Fast and Furious: The Anatomy of a Failed Operation

HOGR DOJ 005479

Fast and Furious: The Anatomy of a Failed Operation

HOGR DOJ 005543

HOGR DOJ 005544

HOGR DOJ 005545

HOGR DOJ 005546

Fast and Furious: The Anatomy of a Failed Operation

RC-1 RC-1 RC-1 RC-1 RC-1 RC-1 RC-1 RC-1 RC-1

HOGR DOJ 006016

Fast and Furious: The Anatomy of a Failed Operation

HOGR ATF - 001583

Fast and Furious: The Anatomy of a Failed Operation

Fast and Furious: The Anatomy of a Failed Operation

Fast and Furious: The Anatomy of a Failed Operation

Newell Personal Email

HOGR DOJ 005537

HOGR DOJ 005538

Fast and Furious: The Anatomy of a Failed Operation

HOGR ATF - 001356

Fast and Furious: The Anatomy of a Failed Operation

HOGR ATF - 001357

Fast and Furious: The Anatomy of a Failed Operation

HOGR ATF - 001358

Fast and Furious: The Anatomy of a Failed Operation

HOGR ATF - 001359

Fast and Furious: The Anatomy of a Failed Operation

HOGR ATF - 001360

Fast and Furious: The Anatomy of a Failed Operation

HOGR ATF - 001361

Fast and Furious: The Anatomy of a Failed Operation

HOGR ATF - 001362

Fast and Furious: The Anatomy of a Failed Operation

HOGR ATF - 001363

Fast and Furious: The Anatomy of a Failed Operation

HOGR ATF - 001364

Fast and Furious: The Anatomy of a Failed Operation

HOGR ATF - 001365

Fast and Furious: The Anatomy of a Failed Operation

HOGR ATF - 001366

Fast and Furious: The Anatomy of a Failed Operation

HOGR ATF - 001367

Fast and Furious: The Anatomy of a Failed Operation

HOGR ATF - 001368

Fast and Furious: The Anatomy of a Failed Operation

HOGR ATF - 001369

Fast and Furious: The Anatomy of a Failed Operation

HOGR ATF - 001370

Fast and Furious: The Anatomy of a Failed Operation

HOGR ATF - 001371

Fast and Furious: The Anatomy of a Failed Operation

HOGR ATF - 001372

Fast and Furious: The Anatomy of a Failed Operation

HOGR ATF - 001373

Fast and Furious: The Anatomy of a Failed Operation

HOGR ATF - 001374