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5 HEARING ON EXEMPTION TO PROHIBITION ON
6 CIRCUMVENTION OF COPYRIGHT PROTECTION SYSTEMS
7 FOR ACCESS CONTROL TECHNOLOGIES
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11 DOCKET NO. RM 9907
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15 FRIDAY,
16 MAY 19, 2000
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20 The hearing in the above-entitled matter was
21 held in Room 290, Stanford Law School, Crown
22 Quadrangle, Stanford, California, at 9:45 a.m.
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24 BEFORE:
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26 MARYBETH PETERS, Register of Copyrights
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28 DAVID CARSON, ESQ., General Counsel
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30 RACHEL GOSLINS, ESQ., Attorney Advisor
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32 CHARLOTTE DOUGLASS, ESQ., Principal Legal Advisor
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34 ROBERT KASUNIC, ESQ., Senior Attorney Advisor
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1 I-N-D-E-X
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3 Panel I:
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5 Paul Hughes 4
6 Business Software Alliance, Adobe Systems
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8 Emery Simon 17
9 BSA
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11 Fred Weingarten 30
12 American Library Association
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15 Panel II:
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17 Steve Metalitz 116
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20 Panel III:
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22 Robin Gross 171
23 Electronic Frontier Foundation
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25 Dean Marks 186
26 Motion Picture Association of America
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28 Riley Russell 205
29 Sony Computer Entertainment America
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31 Jonathan Hangartner 221
32 Bleem, Inc.
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34 Morton Goldberg 231
35 Cowan, Liebowitz & Latman, P.C.
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1 P-R-O-C-E-E-D-I-N-G-S
2 (9:45 a.m.)
21 Association.
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7 Act.
21 copyrighted works.
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20 Adobe.
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7 potential threat.
16 worldwide by 2003.
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8 e-commerce possible.
20 Adobe products.
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10 accessed.
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18 protection measures.
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10 illegal.
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2 disastrous.
24 arguments to be ill-founded.
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25 materials.
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5 required by law.
13 action at all.
20 example, software.
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18 of computer programs."
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16 to thwart pirates.
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2 issue as well.
12 this.
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21 stealing works.
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6 chilling effects.
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24 versus class.
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12 balancing exercise.
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4 based upon the benefit that the user gets out of it,
7 consumers.
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8 proceeding.
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24 the rule that you would adopt, you would defeat the
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13 anything.
21 no action.
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5 you do nothing.
21 you.
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2 do something.
8 Association.
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25 were right.
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15 raise.
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13 content community.
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2 Industry.
8 concern to us."
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9 300 years?
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10 lot.
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5 DVD on a computer.
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10 entails."
14 distributing information.
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4 it isn't.
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7 to negotiate.
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14 universities.
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10 and exceptions.
17 against piracy.
23 Douglass.
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17 class of works?
25 it confuses me.
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14 works.
16 be in a class of works?
24 products.
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14 function.
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5 interoperability.
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23 program?
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5 what?
10 that.
14 control is.
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4 action.
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12 you.
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4 circumvention.
11 statutorily-permitted purpose.
25 be a category of works.
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13 software.
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11 uses.
13 users.
20 that part?
24 concept.
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16 that question.
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2 authority?
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19 into it?
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2 question.
11 explain that?
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13 fair use and the other two DSA panel, Mr. Hughes, in
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6 balancing exercise.
15 age.
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3 it?
15 to offer before.
24 a real bother.
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19 CD-ROM.
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18 class threshold.
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21 the Far East and you can find dongles for sale.
23 the dongles.
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9 lives in Germany.
20 been around?
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6 programs.
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15 1201(a)(1)(A).
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4 do.
6 serious problem.
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6 potential harm?
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20 circumvention.
24 your copyright.
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9 non-infringing uses?
16 those classes.
18 can't be right.
23 computer games.
25 textbooks.
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16 (Laughter.)
21 reply comments.
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19 to.
24 service.
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9 terms.
18 shareholders.
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9 of Internet time.
15 non-infringing uses.
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19 getting it digitally.
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6 of educational research.
22 marketplace.
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4 the shelf."
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6 digitization effort.
16 can't converge.
24 Beltway.
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5 that now.
8 bit.
13 more attention.
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9 Rachel?
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16 Committee as well.
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4 1201(a)?
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18 regarding minors.
24 are problems.
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20 engineer?
22 but I can tell you what the engineers tell me. What
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4 hardware product.
24 (Laughter.)
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8 Internet.
24 control.
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6 trialware is?
21 access to as trialware?
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1 when you got the work, on the 31st day you don't
3 perfectly fair.
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3 saying?
6 non-infringing use.
9 mean --
11 hypothetical.
15 acquired.
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3 that.
19 one person.
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9 copyright law.
21 use it?
23 of contract.
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24 every instance.
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12 with a lawyer.
18 students, correct?
23 counts as well.
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5 "Photoshop."
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16 the case?
23 to be able to do it.
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14 sorts of terms.
25 cost you this much." Or, "We would like this much
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10 circumvent.
14 deal that would give you the right for access for
16 impunity?
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9 apply.
19 contract.
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5 time.
16 (No response.)
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4 Thank you.
10
11
12
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1 A-F-T-E-R-N-O-O-N S-E-S-S-I-O-N
2 (1:35 p.m.)
11 way.
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10 to you.
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8 effect as scheduled.
15 this proceeding.
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5 fair use.
21 ultimately rejected.
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2 difficult to define.
8 provided.
18 a net calculation.
23 it.
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23 works.
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19 then, and for that reason perhaps they don't use the
21 approach.
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10 endeavor.
17 committee.
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2 their future.
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5 Section 1201(a).
14 library borrowing."
20 individuals."
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2 uses.
9 uses.
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19 actually unconstitutional.
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9 common today.
15 currently prevails.
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2 class of works.
8 to.
16 effect on schedule.
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24 questions.
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3 Rob.
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5 appear to be likely.
18 adverse impact.
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15 that context.
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5 addressing?
12 law or not.
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21 your question.
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8 what --
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9 them.
23 have.
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14 testimony.
21 impact.
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2 other.
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4 exemptions.
12 business.
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7 respond to those.
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2 I mean, that is --
7 raising?
19 occurs.
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19 you have a decryption key that you can use once you
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14 specifics.
25 to their calls.
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5 control?
20 you buy it with the dongle, and you lose the dongle,
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17 happens?
21 infringing uses?
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2 textbooks --
21 was making.
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6 issue.
12 three-year period.
15 too.
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15 works."
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2 work.
10 decide.
23 applied to --
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9 saying?
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1 (Laughter.)
6 unanimous view.
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4 question.
20 purposes of understanding.
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10 that?
18 category.
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20 correct, why?
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10 you.
20 her?
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14 anticircumvention provision?
20 it could be.
25 rulemaking?
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14 of works.
20 calculation.
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2 well.
6 test.
25 professors."
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17 of works.
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13 by positive impacts.
24 issue today?
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9 your disposal.
16 you.
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7 retailers or wholesalers.
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25 remedy.
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21 legal sanction.
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5 ban.
12 throughout society.
25 circumstantial.
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7 anticircumvention statute.
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10 similarly abusive.
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13 rights.
23 enrichment.
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11 permitted by law."
19 fair use.
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12 use copying.
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5 segments of society.
19 unavailable to educators.
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2 Amendment.
9 societal harm.
20 ancestors.
25 you.
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2 Marks?
21 parody.
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2 balance today.
16 technical measures.
23 fundamentally flawed.
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3 consumers.
18 consumer-friendly format.
25 access controls.
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25 and users.
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3 cetera.
14 them.
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5 industries.
8 that.
16 concerns.
25 to pass.
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14 computers.
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20 system.
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6 that case.
18 necessary.
23 measures.
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2 launch, but did not own, the consumer did not own a
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11 non-infringing.
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9 Thank you.
13 Better to do it now?
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12 communities.
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17 prints.
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15 DVD system.
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5 knowledge.
18 Riley?
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11 may not.
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17 controls.
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5 customers.
14 dissemination.
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11 infringement.
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2 room.
8 access.
17 game.
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2 almost instantaneously.
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24 exempt class.
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18 access controls.
21 it.
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11 effect.
18 circumvention device.
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10 new act.
20 get to market.
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20 simple CD.
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15 can show the impacts that even a simple DMCA has had
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4 much longer.
8 speak?
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2 to receive beforehand.
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14 Mr. Goldberg.
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10 testimony.
23 1202.
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6 financial gain.
18 detail.
21 pages of exceptions.
25 to diminish them.
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18 technological measures.”
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6 9(2) and TRIPS 13, namely, the three steps that such
8 cases, not for all works, not for all works of which
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5 bring.
9 York Times. But unlike the New York Times, the Wall
22 they give you the facts of the cases, and the cases,
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9 them.
16 of this proceeding.
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21 of this license.
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15 installation.
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8 playback of DVDs.
15 Linux situation.
23 free.
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4 it?
11 control applications.
24 individual circumvention.
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22 well.
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12 important to do that?
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6 measures.
11 instances of circumvention.
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2 market.
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7 form.
10 device, or both?
15 it, yes.
25 control flags.
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8 structure.
25 on for it."
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19 permission."
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19 output.
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25 console.
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24 copyright.
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4 okay.
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7 misdescribing it?
17 disks.
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2 legitimate player.
12 copyright?
15 time.
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3 authorized user.
21 to view it?
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13 PAL player.
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11 anything here.
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18 Internet.
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25 is to control use?
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7 control technology.
13 October of 1998.
23 to jump in.
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18 to address.
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14 machines."
23 the marketplace.
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11 DVDs.
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7 content?
13 VHS.
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15 not.
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13 position,
14 Dean?
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23 she can view that DVD in his or her own home? Why
24 is that a problem?
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7 content.
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25 up.
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19 about.
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7 region I'm in, and bring it back home with me. I'm
12 you.
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21 benefit.
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4 in the mail.
13 on different regions.
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5 coded?
15 U.S. people.
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7 DVDs?
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2 that. What case law tells you that you have a fair
8 interesting proposition.
10 that.
13 software.
20 is.
23 hearing comments.
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9 that. Let's go on. What are the fair uses are that
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6 content.
17 right?
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2 same.
11 on that.
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2 their computer --
6 regime?
10 prohibited.
13 legally prohibited?
18 technically prohibited.
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12 use.
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12 particular.
24 prohibited.
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18 Recording Act.
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5 it.
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7 Corporation.
20 forthcoming?
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2 written decision.
10 mean, I'm not sure of his name, but the fellow over
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19 areas.
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2 copyrighted works.
14 protected.
20 theater.
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3 violated.
18 MS. PETERS: F.
25 to achieve interoperability.
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15 Section 1201(a)?
19 here is, no, you may not be violating the -- you may
21 engineered it.
23 using the --
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5 either?
9 is legal.
19 now in Japan.
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19 us.
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2 activity.
17 infringing uses.
24 another.
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14 infringing uses.
23 complicated question.
25 response to that?
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7 that's it.
12 said before.
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5 use is necessary?
13 hook.
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20 and make.
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8 say anything?
20 was adjourned.)
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