Sammy HossainWhy should Muslims return to the Qur'an Alone without the Sunnah

October 30 at 3:33am
Lol are you guys serious? O man you fools are just hilarious. Jump on the band wagon with the retarded atheists. You wanna return to Islam alone without the sunnah whereas in the Quran it clearly mentions that it is Nabi (saw) who will explain the Quran to us. Honestly, if you don't like Islam then feel free to leave cuz Islam isn't great due to your presence.

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Khidr Amari PRODUCE ONE VERSE IN AL QUR'AAN THAT SAYS EITHER ONE OF THE FOLLOWING: (1) We are suppose to follow Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by NAME or... (2) We will get guidance from Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by NAME or (3) We are suppose to believe in Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by NAME ? or (4) Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) was revealed or sent down (nazala) to Muhammad by NAME? October 30 at 3:34am Like 2

Khidr Amari Put your proof where your mouth is October 30 at 3:34am Like 2

Khidr Amari Its obvious you don't like the Qur'an.

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Khidr Amari I see you study so it shouldn't take you no time to validate the outside books called Hadith and Sunnah right? October 30 at 3:35am Like 1

Sammy Hossain Unlike you buddy I don't have everything ready to be copy and pasted so please do allow me to my time. Thank you. (Can't say jazakAllahu Khairan cuz its not in the Quran) October 30 at 3:38am via mobile Like 3

Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain don't be mad because I do what Allah ask of us to verify Surah 17/36 October 30 at 3:47am Like 2

Sammy Hossain 1) Obey Allah and obey the Messenger. (Not sure which ayah but its there, believe me I'm a Haafizul Quran Alhamdulillah) 2) Surah Baqarah ayah 151. Clearly mentions that the Messenger will teach you (which will lead to guidance) 3)/4) last ayah of surah Fath juz 26 Don't tell me I don't love the Quran. I've got the whole thing memorized and devoted 3 yrs to it and for the past 6 yrs I been studying it Alhamdulillah. First off, apparently, you're denying the whole concept of a Rasool. A Rasool is sent so that he can show us the way and so we can follow him. Second, your english grammar sucks! You really expect me to or anyone for that matter to listen to your illogical arguments? "so it shouldn't take you no time" 2 negatives equal a positive. Now my turn

Surah Nahl ayah 44, surah Baqarah ayah 151, surah Aale Imraan ayah 164, surah jumah ayah 2 All mention that the messenger will explain and teach the Quran to you. How exactly do you expect that to happen with out hadith? These ayahs are also indirectly indicating that Allah will protect hadith so that the correct meaning of the Quran remains. How exactly do you intend on following the Quran when you have no explanation for it? I think what the problem here is that you've misunderstood the contrast between the compilation of hadith and the actual writing of it. The writing of hadith was found within the very lifetime of Nabi (saw). The compilation of Hadith only initiated 3 centuries later. Just in case you were unaware but the people back then had brains better and much more advanced then any computer you can find today. Do really think that Allah will not protect His Deen and on top of that just leave us with the Quran without any sort of explanation or example?

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Sammy Hossain Surah 17/36? "Do not pursue in such matters which you have no knowledge of. Verily your hearing and sight and heart, all of it will be questioned" Honestly, I have no clue what you mean by that. Plz elaborate. Thank you again October 30 at 4:03am via mobile Like 1

Khidr Amari I love it when you Sunnis or Shites say obey the messenger means in translation to follow or believe in Hadith. You are so predictable. You remind me of Christians who say 'I and the Father are one' when they try to defend their Jesus is God doctrine. Obey the messenger only means to obey the message how do we get the message that was revealed to the Messenger through the message which was nothing but the Qur'an. Specifially in Surah 33/1-3 Allah addresses Muhammad as "Prophet' which differentiated between hims as a 'Messenger' because even Muhammad/the Prophet had to follow again what was revealed to him which was the Message/the

Qur'an. O you prophet, you shall reverence Allah and do not obey the disbelievers and the hypocrites. Allah is Omniscient, Most Wise. Follow what is revealed to you from your Lord. Allah is fully Cognizant of everything you all do. And put your trust in Allah". Also Allah says, We did not send any messenger except to be obeyed in accordance with Allahs will" 4/64 Now how can we today in 2012 'Obey Muhammad?' Hence, Muhammad will forever be the Messenger of Allah even after his death because being a messenger only directs us directly to what he conveyed which was the message. October 30 at 4:07am Like 3

Khidr Amari It does not say the Prophet will wexplain the Qur'an it says he will make clear to the people not explain. The Qur'an is its own Tafsir/exegesis. October 30 at 4:09am Like 2

Khidr Amari ==> Do not pursue in such matters which you have no knowledge of <== have you done the research about this Sunnah and Hadith? According to historical records there was always a split between following Qur'an and following Hadith. Even Hadith states that the earlier generation of Muslims the likes of Umar ibn Al Khatab and other so called Caliphs did not follow the Sunnah. Your own Hadith contradicts Hadith telling us not to follow Hadith. This Qur'an alone calling is not new. October 30 at 4:12am Like 2

Sammy Hossain "Obey the messenger only means to obey the message how do we get the message that was revealed to the Messenger through the message

which was nothing but the Qur'an." I didn't know you were a mufassir (commentator of the Quran) please do back that up, using another ayah of the quran. " Specifically in Surah 33/1-3 Allah addresses Muhammad as "Prophet' which differentiated between hims as a 'Messenger' because even Muhammad/the Prophet had to follow again what was revealed to him which was the Message/the Qur'an." The Quran also calls Muhammad (saw) a Rasool in the last ayah of surah Fath. So right from there your argument is baseless. Then even if we had to agree with your argument, hypothetically speaking, if Nabi (saw) was in need of guidance then what makes you think you're not in need of it? The very man who received Wahi directly from Allah and was bestowed with more knowledge than the whole of creation needs guidance yet you do not so that is why you've decided to follow yourself and not Nabi (saw)? Interesting indeed. By Nabi (saw) following the teachings of the Quran he practically demonstrated it to us. You said it, not me! Over and over again in the Quran Allah mentions the stories of the different prophets and what they were requested for by their people and one of those things was for the prophet to be an angel. Why wasn't an angel sent down? Well cuz we as humans could nvr relate to being which has no affiliation whatsoever with us. For an angel to act upon the Quran wouldn't really mean anything whereas a man would serve as a role model. We did not send any messenger except to be obeyed in accordance with Allahs will" 4/64 Please do elaborate on "Allahs will" (again ayah from the Quran that we should NOT follow Nabi (saw)) "Now how can we today in 2012 'Obey Muhammad?' " Buddy your question is incorrect. Its more like how can you not obey Muhammed (saw)? I mean I do it everyday. I'm not having any problems. Please present a situation wherein one would not be able to obey Muhammad (saw) "It does not say the Prophet will explain the Qur'an it says he will make clear to the people not explain." Check again buddy, I think you've read the english translation wrong. Surah Nahl ayah 44 clearly mentions the word explain () And the rest of the other ayahs that I have presented earlier does not have the word explain, rather a much stronger and accurate word which is teach. You can not teach without explaining. "The Qur'an is its own Tafsir/exegesis." Proof plz (from the quran saying that the quran will explain itself cuz the last time I checked it clearly said Nabi (saw) will explain it to the ppl)

"==> Do not pursue in such matters which you have no knowledge of <== have you done the research about this Sunnah and Hadith?" NO I have not becuz this is NOT a sunnah or hadith. It is the ayah from the Quran which you presented earlier on (17/36) and I asked you to explain yourself. Seems as though you're a tad bit confused. "According to historical records there was always a split between following Qur'an and following Hadith. " O really, which historical records? Proof plz. Btw I'm surprised that a person of your nature is willing to accept "historical records" written by non muslims and unauthenticated men (even if they are muslims) as opposed to not accepting hadith. Did I mention that EVERY single narrator of hadith was scrutinized to the T. "Even Hadith states that the earlier generation of Muslims the likes of Umar ibn Al Khatab and other so called Caliphs did not follow the Sunnah." Please provide proof. "Your own Hadith contradicts Hadith telling us not to follow Hadith." Please provide proof Listen man, if you wanna discuss/ debate please provide reference and proof for all your statements. In your case, only Quran would serve as a legitimate source of proof so good luck! October 30 at 4:41am via mobile Like 4

Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain seems your not studying the Qur'an carefully. A messenger perhaps any messenger must have a message to be a messenger, hence, when you call someone a "messenger" you are directly linking them to the message, no ifs or buts about it. Allah says in Surah 4:80 He who yutii (obeys) the Messenger, aa (obeyed)Allah. But if any turn away, We have not sent thee to watch over their (evil deeds). Now lets examine the usage of the Arabic word yuii (obeys) in the Quran for further clarity of the matter and how its used. In Surah 2:285 Allah says, The Messenger believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in Allah, His angels, His books, and His apostles. "We make no distinction (they

say) between one and another of His apostles." And they say: "We hear,waaan (and we obeyed): (We seek) Thy forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys." Remember also the expression: He who yutii (obeys) the Messenger, aa (obeyed) Allah This is not a unique expression for the Prophet Muhammad, thus it is for all of the Prophets of Allah: In Surah 26:108, Allah tells us to OBEY Prophet Noah, "So fear Allah, waani (and obey me)" Also in Surah 71:3, Noah said, That ye should worship Allah, fear Him waani (and obey me) Allah tells us to OBEY Prophet Hud in Surah 26:126 So fear Allah, waani (and obey me) Allah tells us to OBEY Prophet Saaleh in Surah 26:144 fear Allah, wa-ani (and obey me) and in Surah 26:150 fear Allah, wa-ani (and obey me) Allah tells us to OBEY Prophet LOT in Surah 26:163 You shall fear Allah waani(and obey me). Allah tells us to OBEY Prophet Shuaib in Surah 26:179 fear Allah waani (and obey me) Allah tells us to OBEY Prophet Jesus in Surah 43:63 When Jesus came with Clear Signs, he said: "Now have I come to you with Wisdom, and in order to make clear to you some of the (points) on which ye dispute: therefore fear Allah wa-ani (and obey me). Now compare what the Prophet Muhammad was instructed to say: "And wa-a (obey) God and wa-a (obey) the messenger and be cautious; but if you turn back, then know that the sole duty of the messenger is the deliverance (of the message)" Surah 5:92 "And wa-a (obey) God wa-a (and obey) the messenger, but if you turn back, then upon Our messenger is the sole duty of the clear delivery (of the message)" 64:12 Whoever yuii (obeys) Allah and his Messenger will be admitted to gardens beneath which rivers flow to live there (forever), and that will be the great

achievement (Surah An-Nisa 4:13) In Surah 3:132 wa-a (and obey) Allah and the Messenger; that ye may obtain mercy. In Surah 47:33 Allah says, O ye who believe! wa-a (obey) Allah and waa (obey) the Messenger, and make not vain your deeds! Now if you research the word Messenger, is derived from the word Message. The duty of a Messenger is to deliver a Message. Now if there was no message there would be no messenger. Hence, to Obey the Messenger would thus mean to obey the message he is delivering. Further research will make it clear in the Quran that in the Book of Allah we never read anywhere in the Quran words like "Obey God and obey Muhammad" or obey Jesus, or obey Moses as I have shown earlier. The words used are always "obey the messenger". This is to emphasize that it is the "message" of Allah that is to be obeyed and not the personal words or views of the messenger. Again, the word Messenger is derived from the word Message and if there was no message there would be no messenger. Hence, to Obey the Messenger means to obey the message he delivered. Lets analyze the Arabic word atwiou (obey) further the root word is Taa which means: 1) To obey, permit Tauan means: 1) With witting obedience Tauun means: 1) Obedient Tatun means: 1) Obedience Taiun means: Obedient

Tawwaa means: 1) To permit, consent Ataa means: 1) To obey Mutaun means: 1) Obeyed When Quran instructs us to a (obey) God wa-a and obey the messenger its not talking about following the Prophet Muhammad in a literal sense and this is what Christians do when it comes to Prophet Jesus. Remember Prophet Isa ibn Maryam also said in Surah 43:63 When Isa came with Clear Signs, he said: "Now have I come to you with Wisdom, and in order to make clear to you some of the (points) on which ye dispute: therefore fear Allah wa-ani (and obey me). October 30 at 4:46am Like 2

Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain said, The Quran also calls Muhammad (saw) a Rasool in the last ayah of surah Fath. So right from there your argument is baseless. Then even if we had to agree with your argument, hypothetically speaking, if Nabi (saw) was in need of guidance then what makes you think you're not in need of it? The very man who received Wahi directly from Allah and was bestowed with more knowledge than the whole of creation needs guidance yet you do not so that is why you've decided to follow yourself and not Nabi (saw)? Interesting indeed. By Nabi (saw) following the teachings of the Quran he practically demonstrated it to us. You said it, not me! Over and over again in the Quran Allah mentions the stories of the different prophets and what they were requested for by their people and one of those things was for the prophet to be an angel. Why wasn't an angel sent down? Well cuz we as humans could nvr relate to being which has no affiliation whatsoever with us. For an angel to act upon the Quran wouldn't really mean anything whereas a man would serve as a role model.

@Sammy, see Allah tells us that the Messenger is to be obeyed and yes the Qur'an says Muhammad is the messenger because he had a message. Had he not had to deliver the message he would not have been a messenger. When Quran instructs us to a (obey) God wa-a and obey the messenger its not talking about following the Prophet Muhammad in a literal sense and this is what Christians do when it comes to Prophet Jesus. Remember Prophet Isa ibn Maryam also said in Surah 43:63 When Isa came with Clear Signs, he said: "Now have I come to you with Wisdom, and in order to make clear to you some of the (points) on which ye dispute: therefore fear Allah wa-ani (and obey me). What do you mean if the Prophet was in need of guidance he was in need of guidance didn't Allah find him lost according to the Qur'an? We are all in need of guidance and the Qur'an alone provides it. Allah makes it clear:"Say: "Allah's guidance is THE Guidance" [2:120, 3:73, 6:71] "Allah has revealed the most beautiful hadith in the form of a Book, consistent with itself, (yet) repeating (its teaching in various aspects): the skins of those who fear their Lord tremble thereat; then their skins and their hearts do soften to the celebration of Allah's praises. Such is THE GUIDANCE of Allah: He guides therewith whom He pleases, but such as Allah leaves to stray, can have none to guide." [39:23] You want to follow Hadith follow the Best Hadith, the Qur'an: ==> Allah has revealed the most beautiful hadith in the form of a Book <== ==> Such is THE GUIDANCE of Allah <== October 30 at 4:54am Like 1

Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain said, Surah Nahl ayah 44 clearly mentions the word explain () Again @Sammy you should study the Qur'an carefully. "bil-bayinti (With clear arguments) and scriptures; and We have revealed to you the Reminder that litubayyina (you may make clear) to people what has been

revealed to them, and that haply they may reflect." 16/44 So here we have: bil-bayinti (With clear arguments) litubayyina (you may make clear) The word does not mean explain anything it means to make clear, obvious so where are you learning your Arabic from? Do you want more proof? "And when their messengers came to them And when their messengers came to them bil-bayinti (with clear proofs), they [merely] rejoiced in what they had of knowledge, but they were enveloped by what they used to ridicule." 40/83 "And thus do We diversify the verses so the disbelievers will say, "You have studied," walinubayyinahu (and so We may make it clear) for a people who know." 6/105 It is Allah, who is the Mufasir i.e commentator of the Quran, and the Tafsir of one verse was provided by the revelation of other verses which would throw light on the subject under discussion. Thus it is said: "Ar-Rahmaan (The Beneficent God). It is He who teaches the Quran." (55:1-2) Not only was the revelation, compilation and protection of the Book taken up by Allah himself, but also its explanation. As we are informed: "Do not move your tongue with this (Qur'an) to make haste with it. Surely on Us (devolves) the collecting of it and the reciting of it. Therefore when We have recited it, follow its recitation. Again on Us (devolves) the explaining of it." (75:16-19) It was not the Prophet Muhammad's job to explain anything Allah clearly said that Allah will explain His Book. " See how We repeat the verses that they may understand." (6:65) "See how We repeat the verses, yet they turn away (from the truth rendered by recurrence of Ayat)." (6:46) ~Khidr~ October 30 at 5:04am Like

Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain again don't worry about my research I can give you a link to my information. Just worry about refutting the Qur'an and providing your evidence from Qur'an that validates your outside books called Hadith. October 30 at 5:05am Like

Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain said, Buddy your question is incorrect. Its more like how can you not obey Muhammed (saw)? I mean I do it everyday. I'm not having any problems. Please present a situation wherein one would not be able to obey Muhammad (saw) @Again Sammy, if you at the beach and the life guards name was Tommay would you expect the sign to read: 1) Obey the lifeguard or 2) Obey Tommy Never does the Qur'an say Obey Muhammad there is a big difference between the two it is always Obey the Messenger. October 30 at 5:08am Edited Like 2

Khidr Amari Sammy said, "Proof plz (from the quran saying that the quran will explain itself cuz the last time I checked it clearly said Nabi (saw) will explain it to the ppl)" I just provided the proof in the above ayats but here is more: <unzur kaifa nusarriful a_ya_ti la'allahum yafqahu_n>

"See how We repeat the verses that they may understand." (6:65) <Wa laqad sarrafna_ lin na_si fi ha_zal qur'a_ni min kulli masal(in), fa aba_ aksarun na_si illa_ kufu_ra> "And certainly We have repeated for mankind in this Quran, every kind of similitude, but the majority of mankind do not consent to aught but denying." (17:89) "And thus do We repeat the verses and that they may say: You have read; and that We may make it clear to a people who know." (6:108) The messenger gave Dars ul Qur-an, by this manner, and the Quran was clarified by the Quran itself. This is further supported in Surah Al-Furqan, where a certain objection of the unbelievers is identified: <Wa qa_lal lazina kafaru_ lau la_ nuz zila alaihil qur a_nu jumlataw wa_hidah kaza_lika linusab bita bihi fu a_daka wa rat talna_hu tartila_Wa la_ yatu_naka bimasalin il la_ jina_ka bil haq qi wa ahsana tafsira> "The unbelievers say: "Why is not the Qur'an revealed to him all at once? Thus (is it revealed gradually) that We may strengthen thy heart thereby and We have rehearsed it to thee in slow well-arranged stages gradually. And no example do they bring to thee but We bring to thee the truth and the best explanation." (25:3233) We have revealed to you tib'ynan (as a clarification) this book likulli (of every) shayin (thing) wahudan (and a guidance) waramatan (and mercy) wabush'r (and glad tidings)..." 16:89 Tibyaan means to clarify something which requires clarification and explanation. Yet, something which is inherently clear doesnt require elucidation, lest any excessive explanations amount to curiosity and mere prattle for which we have no need. Do you want more? ~Khidr~! October 30 at 5:15am Like

Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain said,

O really, which historical records? Proof plz. Btw I'm surprised that a person of your nature is willing to accept "historical records" written by non muslims and unauthenticated men (even if they are muslims) as opposed to not accepting hadith. Did I mention that EVERY single narrator of hadith was scrutinized to the T. "Even Hadith states that the earlier generation of Muslims the likes of Umar ibn Al Khatab and other so called Caliphs did not follow the Sunnah." Please provide proof. "Your own Hadith contradicts Hadith telling us not to follow Hadith." Please provide proof Listen man, if you wanna discuss/ debate please provide reference and proof for all your statements. In your case, only Quran would serve as a legitimate source of proof so good luck! @ok Sammy you want more proof then proof you have it. Hence, just three days before the demise of Prophet, the Messenger of Allah asked for pen and paper in order to state his last will. According to Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim an opposition group among the companions emerged, whose leader was Umar, It is narrated in Sahih Muslim that: Ibn Abbas said: Thursday! And how tragic that Thursday was! Then Ibn Abbas cried severely so that his tears flowed to his cheeks. Then he added Prophet said: Bring me a flat bone or a sheet and an ink so that I could write (order to write) a statement that will prevent you people to go astray after me. They said: Verily the messenger of Allah is talking no sense. Reference: Sahih Muslim, Chapter of Kitabul-Wasiyyah in section Babut-Tarkil-Wasiyyah, 1980 Edition, Arabic version (Saudi Arabia), v3, P1259, Tradition (#1637/21). The other version is given by al-Bukhari and Muslim which indicates the role of Umar in that catastrophe: Sahih al-Bukhari Hadiths: 9.468 and 7.573 Narrated Ibn Abbas: When the time of the death of the Prophet approached while there were some men in the house, and among them was Omar Ibn al-Khatttab, the Prophet said: Come near let me write for you a writing after which you will never go astray. Umar said: The Prophet is seriously ill, and you have the Quran, so Allahs Book is sufficient for us. The people in the house differed and disputed. Some of them said, Come near so that Allahs Apostle may write for you a writing after which you will not go astray, while the others said what Omar said. When they made much noise and quarreled greatly in front of the Prophet, he said to them,

Go away and leave me. Ibn `Abbas used to say: It was a great disaster that their quarrel and noise prevented Allahs Apostle from writing a statement for them. The above tradition can also be found in Sahih Muslim, Chapter of Kitabul- Wasiyyah in section Babut-Tarkil-Wasiyyah, 1980 Edition, Arabic version (Saudi Arabia), v3, p1259, Tradition (#1637/22). Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 5.716 Narrated Ibn Abbas: Thursday! And how tragic that Thursday was! The ailment of Allahs Apostle became worse (on Thursday) and he said Bring me something so that I (order) to write for you something after which you will never go astray. The people (present there) quarreled in this matter, and it was not right to quarrel in front of prophet. They said, What is wrong with him? (Do you think) he is talking no sense (delirious)? The above tradition is also in Sahih Muslim, Chapter of Kitabul-Wasiyyah in section Babut-Tarkil-Wasiyyah, 1980 Edition, Arabic version, (Saudi Arabia), v3, pp 1257-58, tradition (#1637/20).========= Sahih Bukhari Volume 7: 573 Narrated Ibn Abbas: When Allahs Apostle was on his death-bed and in the house there were some people among whom was Umar bin Al-Khattab, the Prophet said, Come, let me write for you a statement AFTER WHICH you will not go astray. Umar said, The Prophet is seriously ill and you have the Quran; so the Book of Allah is enough for us. ; The people present in the house differed and quarrelled. Some said Go near so that the Prophet may write for you a statement after which you will not go astray, while the others said as Umar said. When they caused a hue and cry before the Prophet, Allahs Apostle said, Go away! Narrated Ubaidullah: Ibn Abbas used to say, It was VERY UNFORTUNATE that Allahs Apostle was prevented from writing that statement for them because of their disagreement and noise. Major Points (a) Muhammad wanted to give something of utmost theological importance which would keep Muslims in the right path and prevent them from going astray. (b) Muhammad implied that whatever they had until then (Quran and other sayings of Muhammad) was not sufficient; but his final new teachings were required AFTER WHICH he was sure that Muslims will not go astray. (c) Umar did not allow these most important teachings of Muhammad to be delivered by Muhammad. (d) Umar said Quran was sufficient even though Muhammad wanted to give something more. (e) Umar and his group justified their decision by saying that Muhammad was delirious and in a state of unconsciousness. (f) Ibn Abbas used to cry much realizing that this was a heavy loss. (g) Muhammad died without completing his mission without delivering

everything that he was supposed to teach. Now it seems that Umar and those who agreed with Umar was quarreling against those who wanted Hadith. Umar was write they had the BOOK OF ALLAH and this is the same argument we are saying today in 2012. Now those who was for the Book of Allah versus wanting Hadith were some of the companions of Muhammad who were supposedly the most pious Muslims who would not allow Prophet Muhammad a sick and dying man to express himself, it raises some serious concerns. More addresses for similar traditions: Sahih al-Bukhari, in the chapter named The Book of Knowledge (Kitabul-Ilm), also in the chapter named The Book of Medicine (Kitabut-Tib), also in the chapter named Kitabul Itisam bil Kitab wasSunnah. Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v1,pp 232, 239, 324f, 336, 355. And much more Also as indicated above (Sahih al-Bukhari Hadiths: 9.468 and 7.573), `Umar said: The Prophet is seriously ill, and you have the Quran, so Allahs Book is sufficient for us. `Umar and those who supported him prevented prophet from writing ordering to write that statement, by accusing him of talking no sense. This is SERIOUS!!! Umar and some of the Prophets closest companions accused the Prophet Muhammad when he was on his death bed after the Prophet requested that they bring him something to write with so they wont go astray, he was called talking none sense, or speaking delirious. Food for thought. But wait there is more where this came from Sammy. October 30 at 5:26am Like

Khidr Amari This is your own Hadith I do the same with Christians using their own Bible. October 30 at 5:27am Edited Like

Khidr Amari Reference: http://www.sahih-bukhari.com/Pages/Bukhari_9_92.php

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Khidr Amari The rules for hadith science were not developed until the early 11th century, by Al-Hakim (d.1014) who developed 52 categories, and then Ibn alSalah (d.1245) who developed 65 categories.Science of hadith perfect? Science of hadith came about because of mass corruption in the fidelity of hadith. The Six authoritative (Sahih) hadith are compiled by: Sahih Bukhari (810-870); Sahih Muslim (817-874); Daud (817-888); al-Tirmidhi (821-892); al-Nasai (d.915); al-Darimi (797-868); and Ibn Maja (824-886). Muhammads authority following the Sunnah was developed posthumously, invented by the religious scholars as a device to wrestle power out of the hands of the Caliph. The idea that Muhammads political power passed to the Caliph was invented at a later period (the early Abbasid- post 750 AD), when the idea of Muhammad's Sunnah was used to undermine the positions of the Caliphs (1986:26). Besides, when I say that the writing of Hadith is not allowed, I don't take this information from the Hadith itself. Instead I take it from the authentic data of Islamic history. The fact that the according to their own sources of Hadith, it's stated that the Prophet forbade people to write down his words, and also the fact that during the reign of Abu Bakr Siddiq and Umar bin Khattab thousands of Hadith were destroyed (BURNED) by them is well known and is found everywhere in Islamic history. Majority of the Hadith narrations either have no link with the important values of the Qur'aan or they altogether clash with the ethics of the Qur'aan. Only a small amount of narrations conform with the Quraanic dictates. But even concerning few of those narrations that might conform with the Qur'aan, there is no reason to presume that these were mentioned by the Prophet is those words. What came to be regarded by the Sunnites as the `Six Authentic Books' compiled by Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Daud, Ibn Maja, Tirmidhi and al-Nasa`i. The four Shi'ite compilations are by al-Kulaini, Ibn Babuwayh, al-Murtada and Ja`afar Muhammad al-Tusi did not exist at the time of the Prophet's death, as the Quran did, but were made between 210 and 410 years later. Why were the compilations not made earlier? Several modern hadith scholars claim that they possess new evidence to prove

that the hadith were written down at the time of the Prophet. They were memorized and handed down from generation to generation until the second and third Islamic centuries when the official compilations were made. The still unanswered question, even if we were to accept the claim, is this: "Why was the official compilation not made earlier, especially during the time of the righteous caliphs when the first reporters, i.e., the eye witnesses, were still alive and could be examined?" ~Khidr~ October 30 at 5:37am Like 1

Khidr Amari During the second caliph Abu Bakr's administration, Abu Bakr himself ordered the Prophet's secretary, Zaid ibn Thabit, to compile the Quran into book form, taking care that all its contents were corroborated by two or more witnesses. When the third caliph, Uthman, prepared his official version of the Quran for dissemination throughout the length and breadth of Islam, he based it on this version. Thus, the Quran fully satisfies the requirements of a well-corroborated text. Why was Hadith forbidden? There are several hadiths that say Prophet Muhammad forbade his sayings from being recorded. Abu Saeed al-Khudri said, We exerted our best to get the Messenger of Allah to allow us to write his hadith but he refused. Recorded by Al-Baghdadi in Taqyid al-Ilm Narrated Zayd ibn Thabit: Al-Muttalib ibn Abdullah ibn Hantab said: Zayd ibn Thabit entered upon Mu'awiyah and asked him about a tradition. He ordered a man to write it. Zayd said: The Apostle of Allah ordered us not to write any of his traditions. So he erased it. [Sunan of Abu-Dawood Book 25, Number 3640:] The reason most often given by Hadith followers as to why it was forbidden is

formulated by Ramhurmuzi (d. 360 A.H.) as follows: Apparently the prohibition was in the beginning to make their attention to the Quran only and to distinguish the recording of the Quran from the sunnah (traditions) of the Prophet and to keep things safe from any kind of mixture or confusion. Muslims claim that in order for one to be a Muslim, one must uphold both the Quran and the Sunnah (Hadith) of Muhammad. Yet at the same time they claim that the Sunnah was not written down to prevent it from mixing with the Quran. It seems to me that for the followers of the hadiths, Quran and Sunnah (Hadith) are one in the same. Any difference seems to be merely lip service. In reality, there is no distinction drawn, since both are equally binding according to them. However, in reality, as per the laws of Allah, it is only the Quran that is binding. Some more hadith narrations which itself confirm the illegality of the Hadith institution, by confirming that the Prophet (pbuh) gave orders not to write anything except the Quraan. 1) Ibn Saeed Al-Khudry reported that the messenger of God had said, "Do not write anything from me EXCEPT QURAN. Anyone who wrote anything other than the Quran shall erase it." The following is reported to have happened 30 years after the death of the Prophet Muhammed and shows that the Prophet never allowed anyone to write anything except the Quraan till the end. Those hadiths that claim or indicate that the Prophet later changed his mind and allowed the companions to write his sayings are considered fabricated or weak by the hadith scholars themselves. But the following which was narrated 30 years after the passing away of the Prophet (pbuh) is enough to conclude the Prophet Muhammed never authorized the writing of the hadiths since the time he told his followers not to write anything except the Quran. (2) From Ibn Hanbal: Zayd Ibn Thabit (The Prophet's closest revelation writer) visited the Khalifa Mu'aawiyah (more than 30 years after the Prophet's death), and told him a story about the Prophet. Mu'aawiyah liked the story and ordered someone to write it down. But Zayd said. " the messenger of God ordered us NEVER to write anything of his hadith,"

(3) The famous book, "Ulum Al-Hadith" by Ibn Al-Salah, reports a hadith by Abu Hurayra in which Abu Hurayra said the messenger of God came out to us while we were writing his hadiths and said; "What are you writing?" We said, "Hadiths that we hear from you, messenger of God." He said, "A book other than the book of God ?!" We said, "Should we talk about you?" He said, Talk about me, that would be fine, but those who will lie will go to Hell. Abu Hurayra said, we collected what we wrote of Hadiths and burned them in fire. (4) In the famous book, "Taq-yeed Al-Ilm", Abu Hurayra said, the messenger of God was informed that some people are writing his hadiths. He took to the pulpit of the mosque and said, "What are these books that I heard you wrote? I am just a human being. Anyone who has any of these writings should bring it here. Abu Hurayra said we collected all these and burned them in fire. (5) Ibn Hanbal in his Musnad book, narrates a hadith in which Abdullah Ibn Omar said, "the messenger of God one day came out to us as if he was going to depart us soon and said, "When I depart you (die), hold to the book of God, prohibit what it prohibits and accept as halal what it makes halal." No mention of the Sunnah. (6) Again, in the book "Taq-yeed Al-Ilm", Abu Saeed Al-Khudry said, " I asked the messenger of God a permission to write his hadiths, but he refused to give me a permission." (7) The farewell Pilgrimage of the Prophet Muhammad is a corner stone in the Muslim history. The Final Sermon given by the Prophet during this pilgrimage was witnessed by tens of thousands of Muslims. Yet there are THREE versions of this sermon in the Hadith books. This by itself reflects the degree of corruption of the Hadith books as this is the most witnessed speech of the prophet Muhammad. Prominent figure who was a rejector of Hadith Abu Bakr at one point was not sure whether to keep what he knows of hadiths or not. He had collected 500 Hadiths during very long companionship of the Prophet Muhammed, but he could not sleep the night until he burned them. Prominent figures who was rejectors of Hadith, if Muslims follow Hadith, why don't Muslims follow Hadith that prohibit Hadith? https://www.facebook.com/notes/why-should-muslims-return-to-the-quran-alonewithout-the-sunnah/prominent-figures-who-was-rejectors-of-hadith-if-muslimsfollow-hadith-why-dont-/143404132393490

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Mufti Taha Khan Khidr.... Why was the prophet saw sent? October 30 at 5:58am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan what does the Qur'an say? The Qur'an clearly says Prophet Muhammad was sent toward an-naas (4:170, 7:158, 34:28) to bring an-naas out of darkness (14:1), to warn an-naas (14:44, 22:49), to judge between an-naas (4:105) by the Book that was sent towards annaas (4:105, 10:57, 10:108), and to read the Quran to an-naas (17:106). ~Khidr~ October 30 at 6:02am Like

Naqash Ahmed lol what fitnah, may Allaah save the ummah from such things, ignorance and arrogance are two deadly combinations. October 30 at 6:02am Like

Khidr Amari Yes, may Allah destroy the books of tales of the ancients its no wonder the Messenger will say on that day my people have abandoned the Qur'an, Surah 25/30. October 30 at 6:04am Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan 2: do you consider Hadith as revelation? Because the Quran does. October 30 at 6:04am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan where does the Qur'an say outside books by written compiled by Persian Imams Divine Revelation? October 30 at 6:06am Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan If yes then 3: why did Allah consider his speech as wahi in the opening verses of Surah najm if Quran was enough? October 30 at 6:07am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan answer my question Hadith are not Divine Revelation. October 30 at 6:08am Like 1

Khidr Amari There is a clear distinction according to the Qur'an from Wahi and his Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi) October 30 at 6:09am Like

Khidr Amari Everything that the Prophet said was not according to Wahi. October 30 at 6:10am Like

Mufti Taha Khan Ur statement that there's a difference in wahi and speech of Nabi... Where's the proof that there diff? And you haven't answered my question as to why has the prophet come to us? October 30 at 6:16am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan And the Persian imams only recorded what the prophet said, don't go of subject please October 30 at 6:17am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari I did answer your question please read above and read carefully October 30 at 6:18am Like

Mufti Taha Khan Connection didn't allow, answer my questions beside that one please October 30 at 6:21am via mobile Like

Why should Muslims return to the Qur'an Alone without the Sunnah Mufti Taha Khan again I presented what the Qur'an said the Propohet was sent for. I also presented proof that not all of the Prophet's speech was according to Wahi. October 30 at 6:23am Like

Mufti Taha Khan The q was, where's your proof of saying one is wahi and prophets speech is not? October 30 at 6:23am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan said, Ur statement that there's a difference in wahi and speech of Nabi... Where's the proof that there diff? And you haven't answered my question as to why has the prophet come to us? @Mufti you want proof according to Qur'an here you have it. how do you explain these mistakes by the Prophet? Error No 1 8:67 And it was not for any prophet to take prisoners until he is bound by a campaign. You desire the materials of this world, while God wants the Hereafter for you. God is Noble, Wise. 8:68 Had it not been previously ordained from God, then a severe punishment would have afflicted you for what you took. Error No 2 9:43 God pardons you; why did you give them leave before it became clear to you who are truthful, and who are lying? Error No 3 33:37 And you said to the one who was blessed by God, and blessed by you: Keep your wife and reverence God, and you hid inside yourself what God wished to proclaim. And you were concerned with the people, while God was more deserving that you be concerned with. So when Zayd ended his relationship with his wife, We had you marry her, to establish that there is no wrongdoing for the believers in marrying the wives of their adopted sons if their relationship is ended. And the command of God is always done. Error No 4

66:1 O you prophet, why do you make unlawful what God has made lawful for you, seeking to please your wives? God is Forgiver, Merciful. Error No 5 80:1 He frowned and turned away. 80:2 When the blind one came to him. Error No 6 9:113 It is not for the prophet and those who believe that they should seek forgiveness for the polytheists, even if they are relatives, after it has been made clear to them that they are the dwellers of Hell. ~Khidr~ October 30 at 6:24am Like 1

Naqash Ahmed In essence, Hadith refers to an act done, word spoken or a confirmation given by Rasulullah (sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam). Hadith has been accepted as a source of Islamic law, after the Quran. Its status has remained undisputed throughout the centuries aside from some individuals who have separated themselves from the mainstream of the Muslim population. Its authority is evident from the Quran. The Quran repeatedly reminds the believers to follow Rasulullah (sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam). In order to fulfill the injunctions of the Quran, one is required to accept the authority Hadith. If one denies the authority of Hadith, it is impossible for him to fulfill and carry out the injunctions of the Quran, for example, we are commanded in the Quran to perform salat. But the Quran does not explain the methodology of salat. The Hadith explains to us the methodology of salat. If one had to rely simply on following the Quran, and not the hadith, he would not know the methodology of salat. Therefore, we are required to follow both, the Quran and Hadith. The Sahaba, Tabieen and all the pious predecessors were staunch follows of Rasulullah (sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam) Hereunder are a few verses proving the authority of Hadith: And obey Allah and the Messenger so that you may be shown mercy (3:132) And whoever obeys Allah and his messenger, Allah shall admit him in the gardens underneath which rivers flow (4:13)

And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger has gone astray into manifest error (33:36) The Muhadditheen (experts in Hadith) have dedicated their lives in the various sciences of Hadith in order to preserve the authenticity of Ahadith. You may read more on the subject matter from a book Authority of Sunnah by Mufti Taqi Uthmani Saheb. And Allah knows best -http://www.askimam.org/public/question_detail/16635 October 30 at 6:26am Like 6

Mufti Taha Khan Your point would have been valid only if Allah did not correct his Nabi, but he did, reason for making some errors was to show that the prophet is human and a dependent of Allah.... Also I don't see that u have answered why the speech of Nabi is not considered wahi, then explain the meaning of the ayah where Allah calls the speech of Nabi as wahi????? October 30 at 6:28am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan you said the Prophet's SPEECH was Wahi which indicates everything he said was of divine Guidance. I exposed you as being wrong. Allah corrected him because of some of his speech and actions that were not according to wahi. Yes, he was human and we are not told to follow the speech of Muhammad, we are told to obey and follow the Messenger. Never does Allah correct the Messenger at any time why because as a Messenger he was perfect at conveying the message. October 30 at 6:31am Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Wow... U so lack intellect, the question has not been answered, u only said why it can't be wahi. U didn't answer why Allah calls it wahi? October 30 at 6:35am via mobile Like 1

Khidr Amari Allah calls what was revealed to him Wahi. October 30 at 6:48am Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Down the road there's gonna be allot coming your way, even that Hadith rejectors and different versions of the last sermon of prophet saw, your not going anywhere, imma have you delete me block me like your other cousin or brother, absolutely no respect for our prophet saw! October 30 at 6:51am via mobile Like 2

Mufti Taha Khan A side thing! Question still remains! Then according to u even Allah made mistakes, there were many things that were abrogated, didn't Allah know better?!?!? October 30 at 6:58am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan again produce your proof about Hadith just one ayat put your proof where your mouth is. October 30 at 6:58am Like

Khidr Amari The Hadith alone has no respect for our Prophet have you read your Hadith lately? October 30 at 6:58am Like

Mufti Taha Khan Bro u trapped urself in answering my question, wahi is what was revealed to him u said... the maa in Arabic is to make something general and its related to speech and nutq, hence it covers everything the prophet speaks of, provided evidence, if you still think there's a problem in calling the prophets speach wahi then give evidence from Quran that its not, not from Hadith because to u it's not important and the Quran is enough, or provide evidence from Hadith aswell, if you say that the prophet saw don't write from me.. It dosent answer the question, if you say the prophet erred... Won't answer it either cuz ur telling me why it can't be wahi but not why Allah called it wahi, also then Allah erred in numerous places... ANSWER MY QUESTION cuz ur about to get puzzled October 30 at 11:44am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan Side thing, we thought salafis were retarted for wanting only what's in Hadith, this joker goes further in saying only quran and nothing else, I don't know what religion u follow cuz not much left if u discard Hadith... An that ull c in just abit October 30 at 11:57am via mobile Like 4

Mufti Taha Khan Just a reminder... I gave evidence from Quran that prophets speech is considered wahi, u say no its not, time for u to give evidence supporting ur claim October 30 at 12:08pm via mobile Like

Sammy Hossain Your whole thing about "obeying" just substantiated our view that you're supposed to obey Nabi (saw). "Obey" is used in a general context. If you want to specify to a certain type of obedience you'll need proof for that.

Over and over again Allah is saying OBEY, OBEY, OBEY. Show me one place where Allah is saying DO NOT OBEY the messenger? Again you're sorta confused. For a min there I thought I was arguing with the wrong guy. Honestly I don't know what you're trying to prove from these ayahs. All you mentioned was let's see how the word "obey" was used. Plz do clarify your exact point cuz I'm definitely not picking it up. "Further research will make it clear in the Quran that in the Book of Allah we never read anywhere in the Quran words like "Obey God and obey Muhammad" or obey Jesus, or obey Moses as I have shown earlier. The words used are always "obey the messenger"." As you said the Quran is an Explanation for its self. Allah says messenger and also clarifies who the messenger is. How much explicit do you want it to get?? "This is to emphasize that it is the "message" of Allah that is to be obeyed and not the personal words or views of the messenger. Again, the word Messenger is derived from the word Message and if there was no message there would be no messenger." So by some1 following the Messenger, he will be contradicting the Quran? Wow makes lots of sense. The Man that was sent down as a messenger to convey it to us will lead us to misguidance but our english translated versions of the Quran won't. You claim to be directly following the Quran but in reality you're fooling yourself by following the man who ever came up with all these ideas. And mind you, this concept of yours only cropped up not too long ago. Think about it, from the sahaba till now everyone is following Islam in the wrong method and all of a sudden out pops the weasel in the last century and claims to have the correct understanding of deen? Honestly you're a clown! And btw I think you should show some respect to the man who was the messenger of Allah. Without him you wouldn't have a Quran. "When Quran instructs us to a (obey) God wa-a and obey the messenger its not talking about following the Prophet Muhammad in a literal sense " You keep on saying not in a literal sense then in what sense is he supposed to be obeyed? What was the point of sending down a messenger and taking 23 yrs for its revelation. Why not just send the book down with an angel? That would have satisfied everyone. How exactly do you even follow the Quran without the guidance of Nabi (saw)? How do offer salah? Zakah? Hajj? What was the purpose of Nabi (saw) then? "What do you mean if the Prophet was in need of guidance he was in need of

guidance didn't Allah find him lost according to the Qur'an? We are all in need of guidance and the Qur'an alone provides it. " What I mean is, and ill be really clear, if Nabi (saw) was in need of guidance then who are you to not be in need of guidance? Nabi (saw) received wahi whenever he made a "mistake" so what wahi are you receiving? The Quran alone can not be guidance cuz not everything is clear cut in the Quran. You need some1 to explain it. Going back to my point, if the very messenger of Allah needed guidance despite the fact that he had the Quran what makes you think that you won't err? Why didn't Nabi (saw) just refer back to the Quran and make the right decision? ""Allah has revealed the most beautiful hadith in the form of a Book, consistent with itself, (yet) repeating (its teaching in various aspects): the skins of those who fear their Lord tremble thereat; then their skins and their hearts do soften to the celebration of Allah's praises. Such is THE GUIDANCE of Allah: He guides therewith whom He pleases, but such as Allah leaves to stray, can have none to guide." [39:23]" This doesn't prove your argument of not following Nabi (saw). So by following Nabi (saw) you won't get guidance? You'll be mislead to kufr if you had to follow Nabi (saw)? Regarding bayinaat. You've just connected the 2 together whereas they are two complete different things. One is talking about the messenger clarifying and the other one is about cleat signs. What need would there be to clarify a clear sign? " See how We repeat the verses that they may understand." (6:65) Man you are a nut. The word ayah here is not referring to quranic verses. How do we know? Look back to the beginning of verse and you'll clearly see that Allah is talking about His greatness. Ayah here refers to its actual meaning which is a sign. "Again on Us (devolves) the explaining of it." (75:16-19) It was not the Prophet Muhammad's job to explain anything Allah clearly said that Allah will explain His Book." Wait wait wait. Just b4 that you tried proving that its explanation is not needed and now you're saying it is? And let's agree with you on this one. Plz explain how exactly Allah has explained everything in the Quran? Where does He explain salah, hajj, jihad, sawm and etc? "@Again Sammy, if you at the beach and the life guards name was Tommay would you expect the sign to read:

1) Obey the lifeguard or 2) Obey Tommy " If tommy is the lifeguard then you'll have to obey him! The messenger is clearly known. Its Muhammad (saw). You said it yourself over a thousand times that Muhammad is a messenger. So if it says obey the messenger and we know who the messenger is then that is who you have to obey or is the messenger unknown according you? "The messenger gave Dars ul Qur-an, by this manner, and the Quran was clarified by the Quran itself" What was the need of darsul Quran if it was already self evident? What was the purpose of Nabi then? Why not have just sent down the book on its own? "Tibyaan means to clarify something which requires clarification and explanation. Yet, something which is inherently clear doesnt require elucidation, lest any excessive explanations amount to curiosity and mere prattle for which we have no need." If that's the case then why does the Quran say you will clarify? There's an obvious contradiction. October 30 at 3:45pm via mobile Like 1

Sammy Hossain Ill answer the rest of your questions later on. October 30 at 3:46pm via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan said, Bro u trapped urself in answering my question, wahi is what was revealed to him u said... the maa in Arabic is to make something general and its related to speech and nutq, hence it covers everything the prophet speaks of, provided evidence, if you still think there's a problem in calling the prophets speach wahi then give evidence from Quran that its not, not from Hadith because to u it's not important and the Quran is enough, or provide evidence from Hadith aswell, if

you say that the prophet saw don't write from me.. It dosent answer the question, if you say the prophet erred... Won't answer it either cuz ur telling me why it can't be wahi but not why Allah called it wahi, also then Allah erred in numerous places... ANSWER MY QUESTION cuz ur about to get puzzled" @Mufti, I speak from the Qur'an alone you speaking from Hadith know the difference. You cannot intellectually debate against Allah's Words. Allah says in the Qur'an, 9:43 God pardons you; why did you give them leave before it became clear to you who are truthful, and who are lying? Now we have in Surah Tauba, Nabi ==> is admonished <== about the Munafiqeen (Hypocrites) who were reluctant to struggle in the cause of God with their lives and possessions: <Afalla_hu 'ank (a), lima azinta lahum hatta_ yatabayyana lakal lazina sadaqu_ wa ta'lamal ka_zibin(a).> "Allah pardon you! Why did you give them leave until those who spoke the truth had become manifest to you and you had known the liars?" (9:43) In the above ayah Nabi is admonished as to why he had given permission to the Hypocrites until the truthful people were made distinct from the liars. Had everything spoken by Nabi been a revelation from Allah, then the above Quranic revelation would not have opposed ==> Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi) <== in which he had given the permission to the Hypocrites for nonparticipation in Jihad. Thus this confirms that whatever Nabi uttered is not revelation but his human speech is separate from Divine revelations. In Surah Al-Araaf it is mentioned that when Nabi did not bring them a revelation, the unbelievers objected and this objection of theirs is identified: <Wa iza_ lam ta'tihim bi a_yatin qa_lu_ lau lajtabaitaha> "And when thou bringest not a verse for them they say: Why hast thou not chosen it?" (7:203) Once again had everything uttered by Nabi been a revelation from Allah, then in the above verse it would be meaningless to identify this objection of unbelievers as to why the messenger has not selected the revelation by himself, as under the assumption, whatever he speaks is considered as revelation of Allah. Allah has identified in the above verse that it is the Quranic Ayat that are the revelations that Nabi used to bring to his people, and not everything he uttered as a human being.

This is further clarified by the rest of the verse: <qul innama_ attabi'u ma_ yu_ha_ ilayya mir rabbi, ha_za_ basa_'iru mir rabbikum wa hudaw wa rahmatul liqaumiy yu'minu_n(a).Wa iza_ quri'al qur'a_nu fastami'u_ lahu_ wa ansitu_ la'allakum turhamu_n(a). "Say: I follow only that which is inspired in me from my Sustainer. This (Qur'an) is insight from your Sustainer, and a guidance and a mercy for a people that believe. And when the Qur'an is recited, give ear to it and pay heed, that ye may obtain mercy." (7:203-204) See we see from the Bayyinat (Clear Evidence) that whatever Nabi spoke was not revelation, as otherwise Allah would not have identified this aspect when He says: <Wa iza_ lam ta'tihim bi a_yatin> " "And when thou bringest not a verse for them" If everything spoken by Nabi were revelation Allah would never have said the above as everything uttered by Nabi would have then already be revelations from Allah. Also notice in verse 203, it is confirmed that whatever Nabi spoke again dealing with the ==> Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi) <== was not revelation why because in verse 204, it is being urged that when the Quran is being recited then it should be listened to attentively, thus indicating that it is the Quran which is the only revelation of Allah. Why not study the Qur'an carefully? We have in Surah At-Tahrim, it is mentioned that Nabi made something prohibited on himself, which Allah had made permissible. Does this sound like wahi ==> Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi) <== Allah says "O Nabi! why do you forbid (yourself) that which Allah has made lawful for you; you seek to please your wives; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful." (66:1) In the above ayat again confirms that whatever Nabi did or acted upon was not entirely revelation, but he also acted upon his own initiative, otherwise the admonition from Allah would not have come in which it is said: <lima tuhar rimu ma_ ahal lal la_hu laka> "why do you forbid (yourself) that which Allah has made lawful for you" From the Qur'an we have te Bayyinat (Clear Evidence) that the Nabi also made

decisions on his own and acted on his own initiative at times instead of the revelation of Allah, and thus proves that all the decisions and actions of Nabi and the ==> Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi) <== were not "wahi" or revelation of Allah. ~Khidr~ October 30 at 4:52pm Like

Khidr Amari From the above evidence it is abundantly clear that it is only the Quran which was sent as "wahi" (inspiration) and "nuzuul" (descent or revelation) from Allah. In Surah An-Najam where it says that Nabi does not speak of his own desire in which you Sunnis and Shites love to quote so much that actually speaks against you you love to quote, but it is "wahi" sent to him, then in this verse the "wahi" once again refers to ==> the Quran alone <== and does not include everything Nabi uttered in life ==> Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi) <== as the above verses prove to the contrary and establish the Quran to be the only revelation received by the messenger of Allah. It says in Surah An-Najam: "By the evidence of the star when it goes down. Your companion does not err, nor does he go astray; Nor does he speak out of desire. It is naught but revelation that is revealed." <In huwa il la_ wahyu yu_ha>" (53:1-4) In the above verse the particular "Nataq-un-Nabi" (Speech of Nabi) is identified as <In huwa il la_ wahyu yu_ha> "It is naught but revelation that is revealed." Now what is this "wahi" that is sent to him? Does this include everything he utters? The evidence from the Quran brought to light above says to the contrary, and identifies that Nabi was given only the Quran as revelation. Then what does this "wahi" refer to? Allah Himself clarifies this matter in Surah Ash-Shoora: "And thus have We revealed to you an Arabic Quran, <auhaina_ ilaika qur a_nan arabiy yan> that you may warn the mother city and those around it, and that you may give warning of the day of gathering together wherein is no doubt; a party shall be in the garden and (another) party in the burning fire." (42:7) Not I, but Allah Himself identifies the ==> "wahi" <== sent to Prophet

Muhammed as the Arabic Quran, as indicated by the words ==> auhaina_ ilaika qur a_nan arabiy yan <== "We revealed to you an Arabic Quran" So the Qur'an confirmst that the Nabi also testifies as to what consists of the "wahi" (revelation) that is sent to him, when he says: "And this Quran has been revealed to me <u_hiya ilayya ha_zal qur'a_n> that with it I may warn you and whomsoever it reaches" (6:19) Bro u trapped urself in answering my question, wahi is what was revealed to him u said... the maa in Arabic is to make something general and its related to speech and nutq, hence it covers everything the prophet speaks of, provided evidence, if you still think there's a problem in calling the prophets speach wahi then give evidence from Quran that its not, not from Hadith because to u it's not important and the Quran is enough, or provide evidence from Hadith aswell, if you say that the prophet saw don't write from me.. It dosent answer the question, if you say the prophet erred... Won't answer it either cuz ur telling me why it can't be wahi but not why Allah called it wahi, also then Allah erred in numerous places... ANSWER MY QUESTION cuz ur about to get puzzled" So you want me to give the Bayyinat (Clear Evidence) from the Qur'an here you have it. Its clear in the Qur'an we have internal evidence from the Quran it self that testifies about what comprises the "wahi" that is revelation on the messenger of Allah. The above irrefutable evidence makes it as clear as the shining of the sun that the human speech of Nabi ==> Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi) <== is separate from ==> wahi/divine revelations <== and that it is only the Quran which is the divine message bestowed upon him by Allah. ~Khidr~ Check mate... November 3 at 4:41am Edited Like

Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain said, Point 1

Your whole thing about "obeying" just substantiated our view that you're supposed to obey Nabi (saw). "Obey" is used in a general context. If you want to specify to a certain type of obedience you'll need proof for that. Over and over again Allah is saying OBEY, OBEY, OBEY. Show me one place where Allah is saying DO NOT OBEY the messenger? Again you're sorta confused. For a min there I thought I was arguing with the wrong guy. Honestly I don't know what you're trying to prove from these ayahs. All you mentioned was let's see how the word "obey" was used. Plz do clarify your exact point cuz I'm definitely not picking it up. "Further research will make it clear in the Quran that in the Book of Allah we never read anywhere in the Quran words like "Obey God and obey Muhammad" or obey Jesus, or obey Moses as I have shown earlier. The words used are always "obey the messenger"." As you said the Quran is an Explanation for its self. Allah says messenger and also clarifies who the messenger is. How much explicit do you want it to get?? "This is to emphasize that it is the "message" of Allah that is to be obeyed and not the personal words or views of the messenger. Again, the word Messenger is derived from the word Message and if there was no message there would be no messenger." @Sammy, Again, where does Allah says to 'Obey Nabi' Allah once again says 'OBEY THE MESSENGER'. Prophet Muhammad was the first person to take a hold of the revelation and follow its guidance, and this is how The Almighty instructed him: ittabi (Follow) iya (what is revealed) ilayka (to you) from your Lord " 6/106 Another ayat Allah says, wa-ittabi (and follow) y (what is revealed) ilayka (to you), and be patient" 10/109 Again, Allah says, wa-ittabi (And follow) ma (what) y (is revealed) ilayka (to you) from your Lord. Allah is fully Cognizant of everything you all do." 33/2 Allah says, Once we recite it, fa-ittabi *(then follow) its recitation." 75/18 Then We put you, on an ordained way concerning the matter; fa-ittabi'h (so follow it) and do not tattabi (follow) the inclinations of those who do not know." 45/18 Once again in Surah 33/1-3 Allah addresses Prophet Muhammad as

"Nabi/Prophet' which differentiated between hims as a 'Messenger' because even Muhammad/the Prophet had to follow again what was revealed to him which was the Message/the Qur'an. yayyuh Nabi (O you prophet), you shall reverence Allah and do not obey the disbelievers and the hypocrites. Allah is Omniscient, Most Wise. wa-ittabi (And follow) what y (is revealed) to you from your Lord. Allah is fully Cognizant of everything you all do. And put your trust in Allah". So here we have the Nabi/Prophet who is Muhammad being told to obey/follow what was revealed to him from his Lord. Your the confused one Sammy. I'm clarifying what Allah is telling you. Allah does not say 'Obey Muhammad' if this was the case then we would also be obeying ==> "Nataq-un-Nabi" (Speech of Nabi) <== which is not Wahi/Divine Revelation which is the Qur'an. the human speech is called the "Nataq-un-Nabi" (Speech of Nabi) as you believe consist of Hadith so this is not the case in Qur'an. Obeying the Messenger means to obey the message hence the Qur'an. Allah makes it clear: "And for every nation raslun (is a messenger). So when their messenger comes, it will be judged between them in justice, and they will not be wronged." 10/47 "And how can you reject when Allah's revelations are being recited to you wafkum (and with you) rasluhu (is His messenger) And whoever holds firmly to Allah has been guided to the straight path." 3/101 "Muhammad is not the father of any one of you men; rasla (he is the) Messenger of Allah and the seal of the prophets: Allah knows everything." 33/40 "wam (And not) muammadun (is Muhammad) but a messenger, like many messengers that have passed before him. If he dies or is killed will you turn back on your heels And whoever turns back on his heels, he will not harm Allah in the least. And Allah will reward the thankful." 3/144 Also Allah says, We did not send any messenger except to be obeyed in accordance with Allahs will" 4/64 So if this is the case that Allah did not send any messenger except to be obeyed...do we suppose to also follow these messengers human speech of all of the messengers as well besides the Divine Revelations given to them? This is why every prophet went to his people as a messenger with a message with

which he used to speak to them, requesting them to obey him on the basis of this message, I am an honest messenger to you. You shall reverence Allah and obey me 26:107/108, and 125/126, and 162/163. Again, do we obey the human speech of each Prophet or do we obey them as a Messenger which is obeying the message. Allah says in Surah 3:31, Say: If ye do love Allah, fa-ittabin (then follow me): Allah will love you and forgive you your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. Now, Allah says, Say: If ye do love Allah, fa-ittabin (then follow me). Hence, to follow definitely does not mean follow the messenger in all his private matters and hobbies or when he committed mistakes we do the same and so on and so on. Allah makes it clear that the Prophet Muhammad was given a light that was sent down with him and tells us to follow the light and if we follow it we will prosper. Allah says, Those who yattabina (follow) the apostle, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, wa-ittaba (and follow) nra (the light) which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper. Surah 7:157 Allah says clearly, So those who believe in him and respect him and support him and follow the light which was send down with him are the successful ones. Hence, the LIGHT that was sent down with him is the Book of Allah, the Quran alone. Now before we can ittibaa the Prophet Muhammad we have to atwiou which means to obey. ~Khidr~ October 30 at 5:17pm Like

Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain said, "The Quran alone can not be guidance cuz not everything is clear cut in the Quran. You need some1 to explain it. Going back to my point, if the very messenger of Allah needed guidance despite the fact that he had the Quran what makes you think that you won't err? Why didn't Nabi (saw) just refer back to the Quran and make the right decision?" @Sammy you said and I quote, "The Quran alone can not be guidance cuz not everything is clear cut in the Quran" Yet, the Qur'an refutes you entirely. The Qur'an tells the Prophets to follow the guidance revealed to them. In Surah 6:90 Allah says, Those were the (prophets) who received Allahs guidance: iqtadih (follow) the guidance they received; Say: No reward for this do I ask of you: this is no less than a Message for the nations. It is clear that the path and the guidance we are to follow belong to no human being separate from the message they bring from Allah and this is what we follow that which the Prophets themselves were instructed to follow. Prophet Muhammad was instructed to say, Say: I tell you not that with me are the Treasures of Allah, nor do I know what is hidden, nor do I tell you I am an angel. I but attabiu (follow) what is revealed to me. Say: Can the blind be held equal to the seeing? Will ye then consider not? [6:50] Prophet Muhammad again was instructed to say: Say, I am not different from other messengers, I have no idea what will happen to me or to you. I only attabiu (follow) what is revealed to me. I am no more than a profound warner. [46:9] So here we have the Prophets including Muhammad being told to follow the guidance and even Prophet Muhammad himself was told to say that he is no different from other messengers and that he is only following what was revealed to him. Allah makes it clear:

Say: Allahs guidance is THE Guidance [2:120, 3:73, 6:71] You cannot guide whom you love. But it is Allah who guides whom He wills; and He is fully aware of those who receive the guidance. [28:56] You are not responsible for guiding anyone. Allah is the only one who guides whomever chooses (to be guided). [2:272] Say, I possess no power to harm you, or BENEFIT you through GUIDING you. [72:21] If the Prophet Muhammad is told by Allah that even he could not guide whom he loved only Allah guides then how about Prophet Muhammad's ==> Nataq-unNabi" (Speech of Nabi <== some 1,400 years later? Allah says that the Prophet Muhammad had no power to harm or benefit or guiding any one. Allah has revealed asana (the best) hadithi (narration) in the form of a Book, consistent with itself, (yet) repeating (its teaching in various aspects): the skins of those who fear their Lord tremble thereat; then their skins and their hearts do soften to the celebration of Allahs praises. Such is THE GUIDANCE of Allah: He guides therewith whom He pleases, but such as Allah leaves to stray, can have none to guide. [39:23] This is the only Hadith the Prophet Muhammad received: "Allah has revealed asana (the best) hadithi (narration) in the form of a Book, consistent with itself..." "Such is THE GUIDANCE of Allah" The Qur'ana lone is the Best Hadith consistent of itself not the books of Hadith by Persian Imams that are not consistent of themselves split between two groups bickering over who has the authentic Hadith of the Prophet Muammad between the Sunnis and the Shites. Both groups claim to have the Authentic Hadith yet rejecting each other's authenticity. Indeed there has come to you from Allah nrun (a Light) and a Clear Book. bihi (With it) Allah guides whoever follows His good pleasure to the ways of peace and brings them out from the darkness into the light by His permission: He guides them onto a straight path. [5:15-16] Surah 5:15-16 says,

Indeed there has come to you from Allah nrun (a Light) and a Clear Book. bihi (With it) Allah guides whoever ittabaa (follows) His good pleasure to the ways of peace and brings them out from the darkness into the light by His permission corresponds to Surah 7-157 Allah says, He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, wa-ittaba (and follow) nra (the light) which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper. Surah 7:157IN Again, the Qur'an contradicts you Sammy.... ~Khidr~ October 30 at 5:30pm Like

Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain said, Wait wait wait. Just b4 that you tried proving that its explanation is not needed and now you're saying it is? And let's agree with you on this one. Plz explain how exactly Allah has explained everything in the Quran? Where does He explain salah, hajj, jihad, sawm and etc? @Sammy, Allah says, " Lord, make us good Muslims (one who submits himself to God) and from our descendants make a good Muslim nation. Teach us the rules of worship and accept our repentance; You are All-forgiving and All-merciful. Our Lord![And] raise up in them a Messenger from them yatl (who will recite) alayhim (to them) ytika (Your Verses) wayuallimuhumu (and will teach them) kitba (the Book) wal-ik'mata (and the wisdom) wayuzakkhim (and purify them)..." (2:129) Hence, it is also an incontestable fact that the books of traditions called Hadith that are upheld by varous sects and attributed to the messenger do not contain the explanation of EACH AND EVERY AYAT of the Quran let me make myself clear on this. See, a true Sunni or Shia will attest that the Book of Allah, which is free from all discrepancies, is clear and distinct in its meaning, is applicable in all times but like you Sammy will say that this same book cannot guide without being

subjected to a body of literature that is contradictory and unreliable. You Sunnis and Shites who don't agree with your authentic sources believes that the Qur'an is subjected to man made books called Hadith that are: 1) incomplete, 2) contradictory with itself and established facts of science, 3) is accepted by one sect while rejected by the other, and 4) was compiled and collected by human beings who were not even present during the period of Quranic revelation, but simply compiled there history by heresy and conjecture. What exists in those compilations are some ascribed paradoxical reports limited to certain verses only. No book of tradition called Hadith contains the complete commentary and explanation of the entire Quran from Surah Al-Fatiha, the first chapter to Surah An-Naas, the last chapter, that it could attribute to the messenger of Allah this is a fact. How does the Qur'an explain itself? Allah says, We have revealed to you this book to provide explanations for everything (16:89), When we study the Quran it clears up what it has to clear up, and everything that requires clarification and elucidation has been clarified and elucidated in the Quran and not through some outside books called Hadith and Sunnah compiled by Sahih Bukhari/Muslim and company. And something which doesnt require elucidation is in no need to be elucidated, especially in a Book whose verses have been detailed from a Most Wise, Most Cognizant. We have revealed to you this book to provide explanations for everything, and guidance, and mercy, and good news for the submitters. (16:89). Hence, the explanations of the Quran are a guidance for the believers who are seeking guidance amongst a mass of ambiguity and uncertainty. The explanations found in the Quran are also a mercy for the believers seeking guidance because it makes known to him/her what was unknown, and it guarantees him/her security and divine mercy as well as good news. The details of the Quran are also connected to guidance and mercy. Allah says, We have given them a scripture that is fully detailed, with knowledge, guidance,

and mercy for the people who believe. (7:52). Allah informs us that His Book has been kept INDEPENDENT of all sorts of traditions called Hadith for its exegesis, explanations by indicating that the Quran is its own commentary. The Qur'an is not like an ordinary book, such that most other books discuss a specific topic at one place and have their subjects compiled and bifurcated within specific chapters. If we were to ascertain as to what Allah's Book says for example about the topic of divorce we find verses dealing with the subject of divorce in Surah Al-Baqara which is the second Surah (chapter) of the Qur'an, Surah Al Nisa the fourth Chapter , then in Surah Al Ahzaab the thirty third chapter and further in Sura At Tal'aaq which is the sixty fifth chapter of the Qur'an. By compiling all the verses about the topic of divorce as discussed in all the locations of the Qur'an we come to know what the Book of Allah has to say about this subject. And we observe that each verse clarifies and explains the other. Just like the Arabic words has various meanings and you have to study the ayats and the context used throughout the Qur'an. It is by this manner that Allah Himself has dealt with different subjects in His Book, i.e. by repeating topics in various chapters throughout the Qur'an. The manner of exegesis is <Tasreef ul Ayaat> or recurrence and repetition of subjects within the Quranic verses, and it is by this method that the Book of Allah deals with various topics and provides its own explanation. We are reminded: <unzur kaifa nusarriful a_ya_ti la'allahum yafqahu_n> "See how nuarrifu (We explain) the verses that they may understand." (6:65) ~Khidr~ October 30 at 6:16pm Like

Khidr Amari <Wa laqad sarrafna_ lin na_si fi ha_zal qur'a_ni min kulli masal(in), fa aba_ aksarun na_si illa_ kufu_ra> "And certainly arrafn (We have explained) for mankind in this Quran, every kind of similitude, but the majority of mankind do not consent to aught but denying." (17:89)

"And thus do nuarrifu (We explain) the verses so the disbelievers will say, "You have studied," walinubayyinahu (and so We may make it clear) for a people who know..." 6/105 It is evident from the above that the messengers lectures on the Quran were based on <tasreef_ul_ayat> and that is overstanding the ==> recurrence of Ayat <== to clarify topics within the Quran. The messenger gave Dars ul Qur-an, by this manner, and the Quran was clarified by the Quran itself. Allah says, The word of your Lord is complete, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient. (6:115). The word of God has been made complete for us with the Quran, and none can abrogate His word. If all the trees on earth were made into pens, and the ocean supplied the ink, augmented by seven more oceans, the words of Allah would not run out (31:27). The Allah commands us to follow the Quran with the exclusion of all else, This is My path - a straight one. You shall follow it, and do not follow any other paths, lest they divert you from His path. These are His commandments to you, that you may be saved. (6:153). Allah has commanded us to follow the Quran, His Straight Path, and has prohibited us from following any other paths so that the Muslims dont become divided and so that they dont stray far from His Path. What Allah warned us about has already happened, because the Muslims chose to believe in hadith falsely between the Sunnis and Shites who attributed to the prophet Muhammad, and they dispute over the chains of narration. The science of hadith attempts to amend those narrations and the chains of narration. Its a historical FACT that the rules for hadith science were not developed or classified until the early ==> 11th century <==, by 1) Al-Hakim (d.1014) who developed 52 categories, and then 2) Ibn al-Salah (d.1245) who developed 65 categories. This was way late in the centuries the 11 century that is do you know how long that took after the death of the Prophet in the 6th century. Also irrefutable facts regardless if you are a Sunni or Shia claiming your Hadith is

authentic or your so called Science of Hadith is water proof the questions that cant be answered by either groups is: 1) Does Hadith provide the historical circumstances of each and every verse of the Quran? 2) Is there only one consistent set of data available for this? 3) Does the whole Muslim Ummah have an un errant source for this material or does every sect have its own version of Asbaab ul nuzzul? What is the Asbaab ul nuzzul? It suppose to mean the causes of revelation and historical backgrounds that are attributed to the revelation of verses, are known. Allah makes it clear that its not upon the Prophet Muhammad to guide any one basically the Prophet Muhammad COULD NOT GUIDE whom he desired to guide. If this is the case then how could the Prophet' so called 'Sunnah' guide any one? "Not upon you hudhum (is their guidance), but Allah yahd (guides) whom He wills. And whatever you spend in good, it is for yourselves, when you spend not except seeking Allah's Countenance. And whatever you spend in good, it will be repaid to you in full, and you shall not be wronged." 2/272 How can the Sunnah of Muhammad be the best of the guidance when Allah clearly says that the Prophet Muhammad cannot guide. The Qur'an says that Allah's GUIDANCE is the GUIDANCE OF ALLAH. "Say: "And never will the Jews or the Christians approve of you until you follow their millatahum (creed). Say, "Indeed, hud (THE GUIDANCE) of Allah it hud (IS THE GUIDANCE)." If you were to follow their desires after what has come to you of knowledge, you would have against Allah no protector or helper." 2/120 "And do not trust except those who follow your dnakum (way of conduct)." Say, "Indeed, hud (THE TRUE GUIDANCE) hud (IS THE GUIDANCE) of Allah. lest someone be given [knowledge] like you were given or that they would [thereby] argue with you before your Lord?" Say, "Indeed, [all] bounty is in the hand of Allah - He grants it to whom He wills. And Allah is all-Encompassing and Wise." 3/73 "Say, "Shall we invoke instead of Allah that which neither benefits us nor harms us and be turned back on our heels after Allah has guided us? [We would then be] like one whom the devils enticed [to wander] upon the earth confused, [while] he has companions inviting him to guidance, [calling], 'Come to us.' " Say, "Indeed, hud (THE GUIDANCE) of Allah it hud (IS THE GUIDANCE); and we have been commanded to submit to the Lord of the worlds." 6/71

Allah has already said, and do not follow any other paths ~Khidr~ October 30 at 6:16pm Like

Sammy Hossain Ok let's say I agree with all that you have said. How exactly do I act on the Quran now? What steps would I have to take and how should I conduct my life? October 30 at 6:37pm via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Live the Quranic way of life implementing the Qur'an the Salaat, Divine System in our lives all day every day. Allah says in Surah 33/21 "Indeed, in the messenger of Allah us'watun asanatun (a good example) has been set for you for he who seeks Allah and the Last Day and thinks constantly about Allah." What about Prophet Ibrahim Allah tells us clearly, "Indeed, there is for you us'watun asanatun (a good example) in Ibrahim and those with him when they said to their people: Surely we are clear of you and of what you serve besides Allah; we declare ourselves to be clear of you, and enmity and hatred have appeared between us and you forever until you believe in Allah alone-- but not in what Ibrahim said to his father: I would certainly ask forgiveness for you, and I do not control for you aught from Allah-- Our Lord! on Thee do we rely, and to Thee do we turn, and to Thee is the eventual coming." Also in Surah 60/6 "In them, indeed, you have us'watun asanatun (a good example) for everyone who looks forward to Allah and the Last Day. And if any turns away, Allah is truly self-sufficient, the One to whom all praise is due." Now Allah says that Prophet Muhammad, Prophet Ibrahim and his followers in

them we have us'watun hasanatun (a good example) so how can you put Prophet Muhammad above any other Prophet of Allah. Allah says, "Then We inspired to you: "You shall ittabi (follow) millata ibrahima (the way of Ibrahim), anfan (upright), and he was not of those who set up partners." 16/123 The infinitive imla meaning to dictate, contains the notion of something which is dictated from any divine or undivine, mighty or unmighty, holy or non-holy source. The word milla in its religious sense means a way, a path, or a cult which is dictated and presented by a divine or perhaps undivine leader or group. Both cases have been exemplified in the Quran: "Who would abandon millati ib'rhma (the creed of Ibrahim) except one who fools himself? We have selected him in this world, and in the Hereafter, he is of the reformers." 2/130 Again, Allah is instructing the Prophet Muhammad to call to the millata Ibrahim (the way of Ibrahim): "Say, " Allah has told the truth. fa-ittabi (then follow) millata ibrahima (the way of Ibrahim) inclining toward truth; and he was not of the polytheists." 3/95 "And who is fairer dnan (in the way) of life than he who submitted his face to Allah and he is one who is a doer of good wa-ittabaa (and follows) millata ibrahima (the way of Ibrahim), anfan (upright)? And Allah took Ibrahim to Himself khallan (as a friend)." 4/125 Prophet Yusuf abandoned millita (the way) of his people who didn't belief in Allah along with rejecting the hereafter: He said: "There is not any provision of food that will come to you except that I will tell you of its interpretation before it comes. That is from what my Lord has taught me. I have just left millata (the way) qawmin (of a people) who do not believe in Allah, and they are rejecting the Hereafter." 12/37 Again and again we are told by Allah in His Book, the Qur'an to follow what, is it the Sunnatu Rasoolulllah or the Millata Ibrahim? Prophet Yusuf tells them clearly who he follows: Allah says, "wa-ittabatu (And I follow) millata (the way) b (of my fathers): ib'rhma, Isaac, and Jacob. It was not for us to set up partners with God at all. That is Allah's blessings over us and over the people, but most of the people are not

thankful." 12/38 All of the above ayats indicates that at Ibrahims milla as a divine path and or way. Hence, since a divine path like that of Ibrahim was revealed and dictated by Allah, it is called milla in the sense that it is a dictated path that should be followed by the adherents of that divine dinan (manner of conduct). In either case, milla in its divine sense is also attributed to the prophet or to the leader of a dinan (system). ~Khidr~ October 30 at 6:46pm Like

Khidr Amari Now if you want specifics straight from Qur'an all we have to do is study the Qur'an. Allah instructs the Prophet Muhammad himself to say, Qul Say, m (not) kuntu (I am) bid'an (a new one) mina (among) lrusuli (the Messengers) I have no idea what will happen to me or to you. I only follow what is revealed to me. I am no more than a profound warner." [46:9] The Prophet Muhammad once again did not come with a new dinan/system or 'millata/way or sunnah'. The Prophet Muhammad only followed what was revealed to him from his Lord which was the Qur'an alone. How do we conduct our life ACCORDING TO THE QUR'AN ALONE? 1. Respect and honour all human beings irrespective of their religion, colour, race, sex, language, status, property, birth, profession/job and so on [17/70] 2. Talk straight, to the point, without any ambiguity or deception [33/70] 3. Choose best words to speak and say them in the best possible way [17/53, 2/83] 4. Do not shout. Speak politely keeping your voice low. [31/19] 5. Always speak the truth. Shun words that are deceitful and ostentatious [22/30] 6. Do not confound truth with falsehood [2/42] 7. Say with your mouth what is in your heart [3/167]

8. Speak in a civilised manner in a language that is recognised by the society and is commonly used [4/5] 9. When you voice an opinion, be just, even if it is against a relative [6/152] 10. Do not be a bragging boaster [31/18] 11. Do not talk, listen or do anything vain [23/3, 28/55] 12. Do not participate in any paltry. If you pass near a futile play, then pass by with dignity [25/72] 13. Do not verge upon any immodesty or lewdness whether surreptitious or overt [6/151]. 14. If, unintentionally, any misconduct occurs by you, then correct yourself expeditiously [3/134]. 15. Do not be contemptuous or arrogant with people [31/18] 16. Do not walk haughtily or with conceit [17/37, 31/18] 17. Be moderate in thy pace [31/19] 18. Walk with humility and sedateness [25/63] 19. Keep your gazes lowered devoid of any lecherous leers and salacious stares [24/30-31, 40/19]. 20. If you do not have complete knowledge about anything, better keep your mouth shut. You might think that speaking about something without full knowledge is a trivial matter. But it might have grave consequences [24/15-16] 21. When you hear something malicious about someone, keep a favourable view about him/her until you attain full knowledge about the matter. Consider others innocent until they are proven guilty with solid and truthful evidence [24/12-13] 22. Ascertain the truth of any news, lest you smite someone in ignorance and afterwards repent of what you did [49/6] 23. Do not follow blindly any information of which you have no direct knowledge. (Using your faculties of perception and conception) you must verify it for yourself. In the Court of your Lord, you will be held accountable for your hearing, sight, and the faculty of reasoning [17/36]. 24. Never think that you have reached the final stage of knowledge and nobody

knows more than yourself. Remember! Above everyone endowed with knowledge is another endowed with more knowledge [12/76]. Even the Prophet [p.b.u.h] was asked to keep praying, "O My sustainer! Advance me in knowledge." [20:114] 25. The believers are but a single Brotherhood. Live like members of one family, brothers and sisters unto one another [49/10]. 26. Do not make mockery of others or ridicule others [49/11] 27. Do not defame others [49/11] 28. Do not insult others by nicknames [49/11] 29. Avoid suspicion and guesswork. Suspicion and guesswork might deplete your communal energy [49/12] 30. Spy not upon one another [49/12] 31. Do not backbite one another [49/12] 32. When you meet each other, offer good wishes and blessings for safety. One who conveys to you a message of safety and security and also when a courteous greeting is offered to you, meet it with a greeting still more courteous or (at least) of equal courtesy [4/86] 33. When you enter your own home or the home of somebody else, compliment the inmates [24/61] 34. Do not enter houses other than your own until you have sought permission; and then greet the inmates and wish them a life of blessing, purity and pleasure [24/27] 35. Treat kindly -Your parents -Relatives -The orphans -And those who have been left alone in the society [4/36] 36. Take care of -The needy,

-The disabled -Those whose hard earned income is insufficient to meet their needs -And those whose businesses have stalled -And those who have lost their jobs. [4/36] 37. Treat kindly -Your related neighbours, and unrelated neighbours -Companions by your side in public gatherings, or public transportation. [4/36] 38. Be generous to the needy wayfarer, the homeless son of the street, and the one who reaches you in a destitute condition [4/36] 39. Be nice to people who work under your care. [4/36] 40. Do not follow up what you have given to others to afflict them with reminders of your generosity [2/262]. 41. Do not expect a return for your good behaviour, not even thanks [76/9] 42. Cooperate with one another in good deeds and do not cooperate with others in evil and bad matters [5/2] 43. Do no try to impress people on account of self-proclaimed virtues [53/32] 44. You should enjoin right conduct on others but mend your own ways first. Actions speak louder than words. You must first practice good deeds yourself, then preach [2/44] 45. Correct yourself and your families first [before trying to correct others] [66/6] 46. Pardon gracefully if anyone among you who commits a bad deed out of ignorance, and then repents and amends [6/54, 3/134] 47. Divert and sublimate your anger and potentially virulent emotions to creative energy, and become a source of tranquillity and comfort to people [3/134] 48. Call people to the Way of your Lord with wisdom and beautiful exhortation. Reason with them most decently [16/125] 49. Leave to themselves those who do not give any importance to the Divine code and have adopted and consider it as mere play and amusement [6/70]

50. Sit not in the company of those who ridicule Divine Law unless they engage in some other conversation [4/140] 51. Do not be jealous of those who are blessed [4/54] 52. In your collective life, make rooms for others [58/11] 53. When invited to dine, Go at the appointed time. Do not arrive too early to wait for the preparation of meal or linger after eating to engage in bootless babble. Such things may cause inconvenience to the host [33/53] 54. Eat and drink [what is lawful] in moderation [7/31]. 55. Do not squander your wealth senselessly [17/26] 56. Fulfil your promises and commitments [17/34] 57. Keep yourself clean, pure [9/108, 4/43, 5/6]. 58. Dress-up in agreeable attire and adorn yourself with exquisite character from inside out [7/26] 59. Seek your provision only by fair endeavour [29/17, 2/188] 60. Do not devour the wealth and property of others unjustly, nor bribe the officials or the judges to deprive others of their possessions [2/188] ~Khidr~ October 30 at 6:51pm Edited Like

Sammy Hossain But what about jihad? That's clearly mentioned. How could I know its exact rulings? What bout the command of salah, zakah, sawm and hajj? Everything you've said is mentioned in detail in hadith. So how would I be contradicting any of that if I had to follow hadith? October 30 at 6:56pm via mobile Like

Sammy Hossain What exactly is zina? What is riba? October 30 at 6:57pm via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain have you read the Qur'an about what Allah says about Jihad, Salaat, Zakat, Sawm, Hajj, Zina and riba? The Qur'an needs no explanation outside of Allah's Book. October 30 at 7:00pm Edited Like

Khidr Amari You said the Hadith has the detail I will disagree the Hadith contradict itself especially from Sunnis and Shites point of view and the Hadith from both groups does not explain the entire Qur'an. October 30 at 7:01pm Like

Khidr Amari The problem is you haven't studied and gave the Qur'an the time as you have done with Hadith. Its no wonder Allah's Messenger will say on that day, "And the Messenger has said, "O Lord! Surely my people have taken to themselves this Qur'an as a thing to be forsaken." 25/30 October 30 at 7:04pm Like 2

Delwar Hossain I was Sunni and have returned to the quran alone. The following note that I compiled after that, explain why I think the quran is sole source, and hadith and siras are just raw material of history's study. The source of Islam is the quran alone: https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=306183099488788

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Sammy Hossain Sammy Hossain have you read the Qur'an about what Allah says about Jihad, Salaat, Zakat, Sawm, Hajj, Zina and riba? The Qur'an needs no explanation outside of Allah's Book. No I haven't plz enlighten me. What about the concept of worship? How are we supposed to worship Allah? And as you have said b4 that Nabi (saw) is a example for us. So shouldn't an example be followed? And what you've mentioned only covers a portion of a persons life where as Islam is complete. Allah says I have completed this deen. So what about all the fine aspects of life? Where do we turn to guidance for all that? October 30 at 7:31pm via mobile Like

Sammy Hossain And btw why is it that we've only understood the Quran and deen now? After soo long? What happened to every1 b4 us that prevented them from understanding it as you have October 30 at 7:32pm via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain if you haven't read the Qur'an that is your problem not mines. October 30 at 7:40pm Like

Mufti Taha Khan Sammy decided to drop that one now lol... It's all good there's still more.. Lol October 30 at 8:01pm via mobile Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan He will never be able to answer our questions October 30 at 8:01pm via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan Khidr look back at my question an look what answer u gave, ur telling me his speech can't be wahi because he erred in some places... My question to u is why did Allah call it wahi??? October 30 at 8:07pm via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan On one hand ur saying only Quran. Only Quran only Quran, then one Quran says something ur rejecting it.. U know how they say its not how much u love a girl that matters, what matters is if she lives u back or not, your example is of that guy but I'm sorry even the Quran is not supporting you, how low can u drop urself? October 30 at 8:13pm via mobile Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan SO PLEASE ANSWER My unanswered questions... October 30 at 8:14pm via mobile Like

Sammy Hossain I'm asking you to show me cuz I'm unaware of what the Quran says about salah etc. Btw gimme the link to your info October 30 at 8:19pm Like

Mufti Taha Khan Also khidr, can u tell me the version of that Quran u read, cuz we read the one where it starts with Fatiha and Surah baqarah and ends with naas.. If that's how ur Quran looks then wasn't Surah alaq first hence u should be reading that first, in everything u take from Hadith urself but wanna discard it, so 2 questions for u so far besides sammis 1: why QURAN calls it wahi 2: what version of the Quran do U read cuz the popular qurans surahs order was not set by Allah...?? October 30 at 8:20pm via mobile Like 2

Khidr Amari lol you both Sammy Hossain and Mufti Taha Khan are failing miserably to defend your doctrine. October 30 at 8:49pm Like

Khidr Amari I have answered your pointless question Allah differentiates beteeen the speech of the Nabi and the wahi/divine revelation you haven't been able to refute what I have said. October 30 at 8:50pm Like

Khidr Amari If you are unware of what the Qur'an says about Salaat then Sammy Hossain read the Qur'an. October 30 at 8:50pm Like

Khidr Amari I read the Qur'an Mufti Taha Khan don't worry about what translation I read from or how much Arabic I know. October 30 at 8:51pm Like

Khidr Amari Where is your proof Mufti Taha Khan that the Speech of the Nabi is Wahi, meaning Hadith. Show one ayat that the Prophet Muhammad received the Qur'an and Hadith or Sunnah... October 30 at 8:52pm Like

Sammy Hossain You're avoiding my question. I'm asking you what does it say about salah etc? The only thing I can remember is establish salah. And no we are not failing miserably. You've just managed to either avoid or twist a bunch of thing around and claim victory. October 30 at 8:56pm Like

Khidr Amari See Sammy Hossain again you want to bombard me with questions and once I answer them more questions it doens't work that way. October 30 at 8:58pm Like

Khidr Amari Answer my questions PRODUCE ONE VERSE IN AL QUR'AAN THAT SAYS EITHER ONE OF THE FOLLOWING:

(1) We are suppose to follow Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by NAME or... (2) We will get guidance from Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by NAME or (3) We are suppose to believe in Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by NAME ? or (4) Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) was revealed or sent down (nazala) to Muhammad by NAME? October 30 at 8:59pm Like

Sammy Hossain I'm sure I've answered those and you helped me substantiate my view by presenting all those ayahs and then later on twisting up their clear meanings for your vested interests. But anyways, what I'd really like to know is that why did it take us so long to figure the correct version of Islam? October 30 at 9:01pm Like 1

Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain you have not answered one point October 30 at 9:04pm Like

Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain I know you wish you can if you ask me to show you where Millata Ibrahim is located this is what clear proof is: "Then We revealed to you, to ittabi (follow) millata ibrahima (the creed of Ibrahim), anfan (upright) and he was not of those who associate with Allah."

16/123 "sunnata (That is Our way) for those We had sent before you of Our messengers; and you will not find lisunnatin (in Our way) any alteration." 17/77 "sunnata lahi ( This is the established way of Allah) which has occurred before. And never will you find lisunnati lahi (in the way of Allah) tabdlan (any change)." 48/23 Here we have Millta Ibrahim mention by NAME and we have Sunnatu Allah mention by NAME. Why can't you do the same for Sunnatu Rasoolullah or Sunnah of Muhammad or Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi)? October 30 at 9:16pm Edited Like

Sammy Hossain What do you mean why I can't do the same? I'm not understanding your question to be honest October 30 at 9:18pm via mobile Like

Rehaan Waseem This guy just runs and hides and diverts conversations just like all the other hadith rejectors. Once he gets cornered, he just refuses to answer. You can see that from both of my posts October 30 at 9:22pm via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain the simple question is easy... If you saying that the Prophet Muhammad received revelations other than Qur'an such as Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi or Sunnatu Rasoolullah then produce the clear ayat telling us: (1) We are suppose to follow Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by NAME

or... (2) We will get guidance from Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by NAME or (3) We are suppose to believe in Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by NAME ? or (4) Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) was revealed or sent down (nazala) to Muhammad by NAME? Now I made it clear in terms of what I'm asking you to present or produce. Allah says if you speak the truth produce the evidence. Where is your evidence from Qur'an. If I said Allah mentions the millata Ibrahim and tells us throughout the Qur'an to follow it I can produce the ayat: "Then We revealed to you, to ittabi (follow) millata ibrahima (the creed of Ibrahim), anfan (upright) and he was not of those who associate with Allah." 16/123 If I say that Allah mentions His Sunnah throughout the Qur'an yes Sunnah is mention but it belongs to Allah I can produce the ayat: "sunnata (That is Our way) for those We had sent before you of Our messengers; and you will not find lisunnatin (in Our way) any alteration." 17/77 "sunnata lahi ( This is the established way of Allah) which has occurred before. And never will you find lisunnati lahi (in the way of Allah) tabdlan (any change)." 48/23 So again, here we have Millta Ibrahim mention by NAME and we have Sunnatu Allah mention by NAME. Why can't you do the same for Sunnatu Rasoolullah or Sunnah of Muhammad or Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi)? October 30 at 9:22pm Like

Khidr Amari Why does Allah play a mystery game with the Prophet's Sunnah not mentioned at all yet we have to figure it out and say 'obey the messenger' or 'follow the example' bla bla bla why can't you just produce one clear ayat telling us to follow the Sunnatu Rasoolullah or believe in the Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi) as Divine Revelation? Does Allah run out of words? October 30 at 9:24pm Like

Sammy Hossain You've mentioned is earlier on. "Verily there is beautiful example for you in the messenger of Allah" October 30 at 9:27pm via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain again does this mean that the example of the Prophet is not found in the Best Hadith, the Qur'an? Or should I put down the Qur'an and go pick up tons of volumes of contridictory Hadith between Sunnis and Shites. October 30 at 9:30pm Like

Khidr Amari Is not this beautiful pattern not found in the Qur'an? October 30 at 9:31pm Like

Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain let us not jump ship back to my previous post: uswatun hasanah/excellent example does not say to follow Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu Rasoolullah. Sammy Hossain the simple question is easy... If you saying that the Prophet Muhammad received revelations other than Qur'an such as Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi or Sunnatu Rasoolullah then produce the clear ayat telling us: (1) We are suppose to follow Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by NAME or...

(2) We will get guidance from Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by NAME or (3) We are suppose to believe in Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by NAME ? or (4) Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) was revealed or sent down (nazala) to Muhammad by NAME? Now I made it clear in terms of what I'm asking you to present or produce. Allah says if you speak the truth produce the evidence. Where is your evidence from Qur'an. If I said Allah mentions the millata Ibrahim and tells us throughout the Qur'an to follow it I can produce the ayat: "Then We revealed to you, to ittabi (follow) millata ibrahima (the creed of Ibrahim), anfan (upright) and he was not of those who associate with Allah." 16/123 If I say that Allah mentions His Sunnah throughout the Qur'an yes Sunnah is mention but it belongs to Allah I can produce the ayat: "sunnata (That is Our way) for those We had sent before you of Our messengers; and you will not find lisunnatin (in Our way) any alteration." 17/77 "sunnata lahi ( This is the established way of Allah) which has occurred before. And never will you find lisunnati lahi (in the way of Allah) tabdlan (any change)." 48/23 So again, here we have Millta Ibrahim mention by NAME and we have Sunnatu Allah mention by NAME. Why can't you do the same for Sunnatu Rasoolullah or Sunnah of Muhammad or Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi)? October 30 at 9:34pm Like

Sammy Hossain Its not. "Beautiful example" is left general. So that means an example for everything. From waking up in the morning to using the bathroom. Can you show me that in the Quran? There are no contradictions in Hadith. Sunnis and shias are totally different. You can not compare the two. October 30 at 9:36pm Like 1

Khidr Amari "And who turns away from millati ibrahima (the creed of Ibrahim) except him who befools himself? Truly, We chose him in this world and verily, in the Hereafter he will be among the righteous." 2/130 Again, Sammy Hossain this does not answer the question at all. You can't use ==> uswatun hasanah/excellent example <== to say this mean to follow the Sunnah. You are INFERRING, ASSUMING based upon no clear evidence. Allah says in Surah 33/21 "Indeed, in the messenger of Allah us'watun asanatun (a good example) has been set for you for he who seeks Allah and the Last Day and thinks constantly about Allah." What about Prophet Ibrahim Allah tells us clearly once again Prophet Ibrahim is mentioned by NAME as millata Ibrahim and also having uswatun hasana/excellent example: "Indeed, there is for you us'watun asanatun (a good example) in Ibrahim and those with him when they said to their people: Surely we are clear of you and of what you serve besides Allah; we declare ourselves to be clear of you, and enmity and hatred have appeared between us and you forever until you believe in Allah alone-- but not in what Ibrahim said to his father: I would certainly ask forgiveness for you, and I do not control for you aught from Allah-- Our Lord! on Thee do we rely, and to Thee do we turn, and to Thee is the eventual coming." Also in Surah 60/6 "In them, indeed, you have us'watun asanatun (a good example) for everyone who looks forward to Allah and the Last Day. And if any turns away, Allah is truly self-sufficient, the One to whom all praise is due." Now Allah says that Prophet Muhammad, Prophet Ibrahim and his followers in them we have us'watun hasanatun (a good example) so how can you put Prophet Muhammad above any other Prophet of Allah. Let us go a bit deeper its amazing how you say the Prophet Muhammad is the best example yet you can't produce one ayat telling us to follow the Sunnatu Rasoolullah/Sunnah of the Messenger of the Sunnah of Muhammad. Yet, Allah informs us that Prophet Muhammad was instructed to follow who, the Millata Ibrahim. Now why is this a problem for those who seem to want to worship Muhammad? Why is the Prophet Muhammad being instructed to follow

another Prophet of Allah? This is clear that Prophet Muhammad did not bring anything new of his own. Why is the Millata Ibrahim mentioned throughout the Qur'an and not one time does Allah mention in a clear ayat to follow the Sunnatu Rasoolullah or Sunnah of the Messenger or Sunnah of Muhammad? Allah says, "Then We inspired to you: "You shall ittabi (follow) millata ibrahima (the way of Ibrahim), anfan (upright), and he was not of those who set up partners." 16/123 The infinitive imla meaning to dictate, contains the notion of something which is dictated from any divine or undivine, mighty or unmighty, holy or non-holy source. The word milla in its religious sense means a way, a path, or a cult which is dictated and presented by a divine or perhaps undivine leader or group. Both cases have been exemplified in the Quran: "Who would abandon millati ib'rhma (the creed of Ibrahim) except one who fools himself? We have selected him in this world, and in the Hereafter, he is of the reformers." 2/130 Again, Allah is instructing the Prophet Muhammad to call to the millata Ibrahim (the way of Ibrahim): "Say, " Allah has told the truth. fa-ittabi (then follow) millata ibrahima (the way of Ibrahim) inclining toward truth; and he was not of the polytheists." 3/95 "And who is fairer dnan (in the way) of life than he who submitted his face to Allah and he is one who is a doer of good wa-ittabaa (and follows) millata ibrahima (the way of Ibrahim), anfan (upright)? And Allah took Ibrahim to Himself khallan (as a friend)." 4/125 Prophet Yusuf abandoned millita (the way) of his people who didn't belief in Allah along with rejecting the hereafter: He said: "There is not any provision of food that will come to you except that I will tell you of its interpretation before it comes. That is from what my Lord has taught me. I have just left millata (the way) qawmin (of a people) who do not believe in Allah, and they are rejecting the Hereafter." 12/37 Again and again we are told by Allah in His Book, the Qur'an to follow what, is it the Sunnatu Rasoolulllah or the Millata Ibrahim? Prophet Yusuf tells them clearly who he follows: Allah says,

"wa-ittabatu (And I follow) millata (the way) b (of my fathers): ib'rhma, Isaac, and Jacob. It was not for us to set up partners with God at all. That is Allah's blessings over us and over the people, but most of the people are not thankful." 12/38 All of the above ayats indicates that at Ibrahims milla as a divine path and or way. Hence, since a divine path like that of Ibrahim was revealed and dictated by Allah, it is called milla in the sense that it is a dictated path that should be followed by the adherents of that divine dinan (manner of conduct). In either case, milla in its divine sense is also attributed to the prophet or to the leader of a dinan (system). Thus, milla in its most elementary concept is employed to mean path, rite or system itself, as it may be applicable to people who follow that rite or way.Allah instructs us to struggle in His way, and also from Allah Himself tells us that our millatat (the way) is the way of our father Ibrahim. Thus, people are requested to recognize and practice the divine way of the prophet Ibrahim: Allah says, "And struggle for Allah in a true struggling. He elected you and made not for you in your way of life any impediment. It is millata abkum ib'rhma (the way of your father Ibrahim). He named you mus'limna (the ones who submit) to Allah before and in this Recitation that the Messenger be a witness over you and you are witnesses over humanity. So perform the formal prayer and give the purifying alms and cleave firmly to Allah. He is your Defender. How excellent a Defender and how excellent a Helper!" 22/78 "Say, My Lord hadn (has guided me) to irin (a path) mus'taqmin (straight), dnan (system) qiyaman (correct) millata ib'rhma (the way of Ibrahim), anfan (upright). He was not a polytheist." 6/161 Again and and again Prophet Ibrahim is mentioned by NAME where is this Sunnatu Rasoolullah? October 30 at 9:45pm Edited Like

Khidr Amari Oh yes I can compare both SECTS claim to follow the authentic Hadith and Sunnah yet both SECTS rejects each others authenticity. Both sects are confused about their narrations yet we have one man, Prophet Muhammad with a clear DIVISION over who he was and what he left.

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Khidr Amari Does Allah run out of words? October 30 at 9:51pm Like

Khidr Amari The Prophet Muhammad once again did not come with a new dinan/system or 'millata/way or sunnah'. The Prophet Muhammad only followed what was revealed to him from his Lord which was the Qur'an alone. The Prophet Muhammad also followed the Millata Ibrahim and did not come with a Sunnah of his own. October 30 at 9:55pm Edited Like

Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain said, Its not. "Beautiful example" is left general. So that means an example for everything. From waking up in the morning to using the bathroom. Can you show me that in the Quran? There are no contradictions in Hadith. Sunnis and shias are totally different. You can not compare the two. @Sammy, What does it mean to ittibaa/follow? Does ittibaa/follow mean to follow the messenger in all his 1) private matters and 2) hobbies Does ittibaa/follow mean to follow the messenger when he committed mistakes and we should do the same and so on? Some Muslims have been indoctrinated to believe that Obey the Messenger means to follow Hadith of Sahih Bukhari and company and I know its hard to digest this. He who obeys the Messenger has indeed obeyed Allaah . . . [al-Nisaa 4:80]

I cannot imagine for one second that a great man like the Prophet Muhammad went around telling people to literally be like him in his personal life. Would Allah send any Prophet to tell his people to: 1) to look him, 2) act like him, 3) dress like him, 4) think like him, 4) eat like him, 5) sleep like him, 6) drink like him, 7) urinate like him make love like him 9) stand like him 10 walk like him 11) brush our teeth like him 12) take off our shoes like him Is this not extreme to obey a human being when Allah tells us not to make any distinctions from His Prophets? Allah says no Prophet would come and say be a worshiper but they would call to the worship of Allah. We are told not to make any distinctions between Allah's Prophets: The Apostle believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in Allah, His angels, His books, and His apostles. "We make no nufarriqu (distinction) between one and another of His (Allah's) apostles." And they say: "We hear, and we obey: (We seek) Thy forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys." [2:285] Say ye: "We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no nufarriqu (distinction) between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam)." [2:136] Qul Say, m (not) kuntu (I am) bid'an (a new one) mina (among) lrusuli (the Messengers) I have no idea what will happen to me or to you. I only follow what is revealed to me. I am no more than a profound warner." [46:9] Honestly, we have to ask ourselves does Allah truly want us to be exactly like the Prophet Muhammad? Sitting on the toiled, eating with our right hand, walking in the masjid with our right foot? Is this what Allah wants from us?

Even Allah Himself says that piety is not turning one's face to the east or the west (i.e. outward actions) but piety is to be a believer, to be kind, charitable, patient etc. October 30 at 10:07pm Edited Like

Mufti Taha Khan Khidr I answered from Quran, on the other u should haveproof from Quran saying his speech is not wahi! If you don't have proof please don't open ur mouth, like the Quran says then give ur proof if u are truthful... So what's ur proof??? Secondly u said don't worry what version I read totally trying to ignore my question, coward running away when his butts on fire? This is a debate bro what u mean don't worry?!?!?!? October 30 at 10:59pm via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan Up until now u haven't answered my questions, what's ur proof that Allah didn't call prophets speech wahi, I gave mine from Quran directly that what the prophets speaks of his wahi. What's ur proof bro???? And secondly what's the first Surah in the Quran u read and what's the last Surah? October 30 at 11:01pm via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan Please answer my question and don't tell me don't worry about it, cuz if u do intellectuals consider that a defeat! October 30 at 11:02pm via mobile Like

Khidr Amari 66:1 O you prophet, why do you make unlawful what God has made lawful for you, seeking to please your wives? God is Forgiver, Merciful.

Mufti Taha Khan Allah said that the Prophet made unlawful what Allah made lawful was this wahi? October 30 at 11:28pm Like

Khidr Amari I been answered and refuted your questions a wow ago now answer my question. October 30 at 11:29pm Like

Sammy Hossain Here's something I advice you read. It'll help you clear out all your cobwebs. http://www.central-mosque.com/fiqh/asunnah1.htm Btw I'd like the link to where you get all your info.

The Authority of Sunnah www.central-mosque.com In October 1989, I was invited to present a paper on the Authority of Sunnah i...See More October 30 at 11:55pm via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain I rather think for myself thank you very much. October 30 at 11:56pm Like

Sammy Hossain Here's another one. Consider it a bonus. http://www.muftisays.com/forums/the-true-salaf-as-saliheen/6652/-ruling-onthose-who-reject-ahadith.html

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Khidr Amari I advise you to read this one HADITH A RE-EVALUATION By Kassim Ahmad http://www.barry-baker.com/Articles/documents/HADITH.pdf October 31 at 12:00am Like

Sammy Hossain Mmmm is that what you read? I though u preferred to think for yourself? October 31 at 12:02am Like 3

Sammy Hossain Btw is that your main source? Cuz if its not then I'd like the link to your main source. October 31 at 12:06am Like

Mufti Taha Khan I answered ur question long time ago, where ever Allah corrects the Nabi, what the prophet saw said that time was not wahi, what ever the prophet said and Allah did not refute it is wahi October 31 at 12:07am via mobile Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan My question: Allah made mistakes too, first he says something and then he says no it's this way, I can give u 10 plus examples, so is the Quran reliable to u now or it's not.. I'm using the same example cuz u said the prophet made mistakes so he is not reliable, so my question is that allah made mistakes to, now is the Quran still reliable to u? October 31 at 12:12am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari You give me i give you back I have read the Qur'an thoroughly for myself October 31 at 12:12am Like

Khidr Amari lol nah my main sourse is the Best Hadith, The Qur'an October 31 at 12:12am Like

Khidr Amari Can you please answer my question....the Prophet made something unlawful so as Allah says: 66:1 O you prophet, why do you make unlawful what God has made lawful for you, seeking to please your wives? God is Forgiver, Merciful. Mufti Taha Khan Allah said that the Prophet made unlawful what Allah made

lawful was this wahi why did Allah correct him in the Divine Revelation ==> Wahi <== given to him? October 31 at 12:14am Edited Like

Mufti Taha Khan I can also prove that the Quran apparently contradicts itself, in one place Allah says he created the sky before earth, while in another place he says he created the earth before the sky? I'm saying this cuz u said the Hadith contradicts itself, so with all this is the Quran reliable or not?????? October 31 at 12:16am via mobile Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Why or why not!? October 31 at 12:16am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Answer my question Mufti Taha Khan 66:1 O you prophet, why do you make unlawful what God has made lawful for you, seeking to please your wives? God is Forgiver, Merciful. Mufti Taha Khan Allah said that the Prophet made unlawful what Allah made lawful was this wahi? October 31 at 12:17am Like

Khidr Amari Yes or no October 31 at 12:17am Like

Mufti Taha Khan Are u blind, scroll up and see the answer, no answer my question! October 31 at 12:18am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan Till now u haven't answered ANY of my questions! October 31 at 12:19am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan So answer my question now October 31 at 12:19am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan That the Quran contradicts itself and he keeps changing what he said, I'm using ur logic, so is the Quran reliable to u or not? October 31 at 12:21am via mobile Like

Sammy Hossain There's still one last question I had which you haven't answered. If this message is so clear indeed then why did we only stumble upon it a 100 yrs ago? What happened to the companions of the prophet. What about every1 after that? Another thing I'd like to ask is that, considering your statement of Nabi (saw) speech not being wahi and that it is not any sort of substantial proof, then why even believe him in the first place? How do we know that Nabi (saw) has actually given us the entire Quran? What if He threw in a verse of two of His own?

And plz, I'd like straight answers. Not a bunch of ayahs and then have me figure out exactly what it is that you're trying to say. October 31 at 12:32am Like 1

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan said, I can also prove that the Quran apparently contradicts itself, in one place Allah says he created the sky before earth, while in another place he says he created the earth before the sky? I'm saying this cuz u said the Hadith contradicts itself, so with all this is the Quran reliable or not?????? Mufti, you haven't answered my question also you claim the Qur'an contradicts itself you need to seriously consider reevaluating your belief. October 31 at 12:33am Like

Khidr Amari Remember Mufti you said: "Khidr I answered from Quran, on the other u should haveproof from Quran saying his speech is not wahi! If you don't have proof please don't open ur mouth, like the Quran says then give ur proof if u are truthful... So what's ur proof??? Secondly u said don't worry what version I read totally trying to ignore my question, coward running away when his butts on fire? This is a debate bro what u mean don't worry?!?!?!?" So you have not answered my question you wanted me to have proof from Qur'an about his speech/action not being WAHI so there you have it. Can you please answer my question....the Prophet made something unlawful so as Allah says: 66:1 O you prophet, why do you make unlawful what God has made lawful for you, seeking to please your wives? God is Forgiver, Merciful. Mufti Taha Khan Allah said that the Prophet made unlawful what Allah made lawful was this wahi why did Allah correct him in the Divine Revelation ==> Wahi <== given to him? October 31 at 12:35am Edited Like

Mufti Taha Khan I answered ur question.. Scroll up... Now Allah also contradicts himself also he changes things like first pray to Jerusalem then sorry turn to the Kaaba and many more.. So is the Quran reliable to u with all this? October 31 at 12:38am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan you have not answered any of my questions what games are you playing? October 31 at 12:55am Like

Khidr Amari You saying the Qur'an contradicts itself you have problems with your belief....answer my question... October 31 at 12:56am Like

Khidr Amari Can you please answer my question....the Prophet made something unlawful so as Allah says: 66:1 O you prophet, why do you make unlawful what God has made lawful for you, seeking to please your wives? God is Forgiver, Merciful. Mufti Taha Khan Allah said that the Prophet made unlawful what Allah made lawful was this wahi why did Allah correct him in the Divine Revelation ==> Wahi <== given to him? October 31 at 12:56am Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Lemme answer again, wherever Allah corrected him like this ayah u mentioned was not wahi, but Allah guided his prophet to what was right and that was the end of it, everything Else Allah didn't correct is wahi, the proof for that is that Allah simply didn't correct him elsewhere, if all was rubbish what prophet was sayin and Allah didn't correct it, then Allah did not do his job correctly, he could have corrected him while he was making mistakes, also another proof is that with those errors Allah never told the prophet to shut up or stop talking! October 31 at 1:04am via mobile Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Now don't say I never answered, read it carefully October 31 at 1:04am via mobile Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Now answer my question buddy, Allah apparently contradicts himself. He says he created the earth before the sky, then in Surah naziat he says he created the sky before the earth? Isn't this a clear contradiction! Then also he says face here then he says no face Kaaba? So is this Devine revelation acceptable to u or not? October 31 at 1:09am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan So again my answer is ontop of this comment, and my question follows here, for Allan's sake don't say I never answered.. October 31 at 1:10am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Hold on Mufti Taha Khan Remember FIRST Mufti you said:

"Khidr I answered from Quran, on the other u should haveproof from Quran saying his speech is not wahi! If you don't have proof please don't open ur mouth, like the Quran says then give ur proof if u are truthful... So what's ur proof??? Now Mufti says: Lemme answer again, wherever Allah corrected him like this ayah u mentioned was not wahi, but Allah guided his prophet to what was right and that was the end of it, everything Else Allah didn't correct is wahi, the proof for that is that Allah simply didn't correct him elsewhere, if all was rubbish what prophet was sayin and Allah didn't correct it, then Allah did not do his job correctly, he could have corrected him while he was making mistakes, also another proof is that with those errors Allah never told the prophet to shut up or stop talking! @Mufti, So now Mufti ADMITS that everything the Prophet said WAS NOT Wahi/Divine Revelation. This here along proves my point. Regardless if Allah guided the Prophet to what was right that is not what is in dispute. Point is Mufti, you said that I should have proof from Qur'an to prove that his personal speech or everything the Prophet said and did was not ALWAYS according to Wahi/Divine Revelation. Another example: 9:43 Allah pardons you; why did you give them leave before it became clear to you who are truthful, and who are lying? Again, Allah correct the Prophet for him given them leave before it became clear that they were hypocrites this was not according to wahi/Divine Revelation. "Say: I follow only that which is inspired in me from my Sustainer. This (Qur'an) is insight from your Sustainer, and a guidance and a mercy for a people that believe. And when the Qur'an is recited, give ear to it and pay heed, that ye may obtain mercy." (7:203-204) See we see from the Bayyinat (Clear Evidence) that whatever Nabi spoke was not revelation, as otherwise Allah would not have identified this aspect when He says: <Wa iza_ lam ta'tihim bi a_yatin> " "And when thou bringest not a verse for them" If everything spoken by Nabi were revelation Allah would never have said the above as everything uttered by Nabi would have then already be revelations from

Allah. Also notice in verse 203, it is confirmed that whatever Nabi spoke again dealing with the ==> Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi) <== was not revelation why because in verse 204, it is being urged that when the Quran is being recited then it should be listened to attentively, thus indicating that it is the Quran which is the only revelation of Allah. Why not study the Qur'an carefully? We have in Surah At-Tahrim, it is mentioned that Nabi made something prohibited on himself, which Allah had made permissible. Does this sound like wahi ==> Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi) <== Allah says "O Nabi! why do you forbid (yourself) that which Allah has made lawful for you; you seek to please your wives; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful." (66:1) In the above ayat again confirms that whatever Nabi did or acted upon was not entirely revelation, but he also acted upon his own initiative, otherwise the admonition from Allah would not have come in which it is said: <lima tuhar rimu ma_ ahal lal la_hu laka> "why do you forbid (yourself) that which Allah has made lawful for you" From the Qur'an and from Mufti admitting the truth we have the Bayyinat (Clear Evidence) that the Nabi also made decisions on ==> his own and acted on his own <== initiative at times instead of the revelation of Allah, and thus proves that all the decisions and actions of Nabi and the ==> Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi) <== were not "wahi" or revelation of Allah. October 31 at 1:25am Edited Like

Mufti Taha Khan Khidr, ur missing the point that Allah corrected him, a builder constructs a highway, it breaks in the middle, someone else fixes it, according to intellectuals the highway is complete, according to u it's not! October 31 at 1:30am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan Are u on a bed in the mental hospital typing all this?

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Mufti Taha Khan Again I answered the question, please do tell me what I didn't answer October 31 at 1:32am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan PLEASE answer my question now, October 31 at 1:32am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan Is the Quran reliable to you or not with the same type of errors Allah made? October 31 at 1:32am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan Don't run from our questions October 31 at 1:33am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan The same errors the prophet made* October 31 at 1:34am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan your missing the point EVERYTHING the Prophet said and did was not ALWAYS according to Wahi/Divine Revelation. October 31 at 1:37am Like

Khidr Amari That is why were are not suppose to follow the personal Nataq-unNabi (Speech of Nabi) but the when he spoke the Wahi/Divine Revelation from Allah is what we are suppose to obey and follow which was the Qur'an. October 31 at 1:38am Like

Khidr Amari You asked me for proof I proved it October 31 at 1:38am Like

Khidr Amari There are not ERRORS in Qur'an. October 31 at 1:39am Like

Mufti Taha Khan Khidr. There are way over a billion ahadith, the prophet makes about 10 errors that Allah CORRECTED, but now even u believe that the rest where Allah didn't say anything about or didn't correct is wahi! October 31 at 1:40am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan Another question now, what Allah didn't correct from the prophet saw speech, is that speech wahi to u or not?

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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan the Prophet was HUMAN. October 31 at 1:41am Like 1

Khidr Amari We are not told to follow his human speech or actions we are told to follow the MESSENGER which his duty was to deliver the MESSAGE. Why doesn't Allah correct him as a MESSENGER any where throughout the Qur'an? October 31 at 1:42am Like

Khidr Amari As a Prophet he was corrected but never do you see as a MESSENGER any ayat him being corrected... October 31 at 1:43am Like

Mufti Taha Khan Question not answered, Allah knew the prophet was speaking about things that were not in Quran like how to pray and stuff, the things he said without wahi that were wrong Allah corrected, we both agree up to here, my concern are those sayings of the prophet that Allah did NOT correct, what is the status of those according to u? Answer just the question please October 31 at 1:46am via mobile Like

Saeed Talpur Prophet didn't receive the revelations outside the Quran. October 31 at 1:51am Like 3

Khidr Amari The prophet is Muhammad; the man himself, in his life, in his private affairs, in his social relations with those around him, and in his human conduct. Owing to his human conduct, he was susceptible to rebuke from God Almighty. For this reason, he used to be rebuked in his capacity as a prophet, e.g. 1) O you prophet, why do you prohibit what God has made lawful for you, just to please your wives? (66:1). Allah also says on the subject of the prisoners of war of the battle of Badr, No prophet shall acquire captives, unless he participates in the fighting. You people are seeking the materials of this world, while Allah advocates the Hereafter (8:67). Allah also says to him, Even the prophet cannot take more of the spoils of war than he is entitled to. Anyone who takes more than his rightful share will have to account for it on the Day of Resurrection (3:161). And when he sought forgiveness for some of his relatives, our Lord said to him Neither the prophet, nor those who believe shall ask forgiveness for the idol worshipers, even if they were their nearest of kin, once they realize that they are destined for Hell. (9:113). Concerning a very hard battle the believers fought, the Allah says Allah has redeemed the prophet, and the immigrants (Muhjireen) and the supporters who hosted them and gave them refuge (Ansr), who followed him during the difficult times. That is when the hearts of some of them almost wavered (9:117). Allah also said, instructing the prophet to be reverent of Him, and to follow the revelation, and to trust in Him, and in prohibiting him from obeying the disbelievers, He said O you prophet, you shall reverence God and do not obey the disbelievers and the hypocrites. God is Omniscient, Most Wise. Follow what is revealed to you from your Lord. God is fully Cognizant of everything you all do. And put your trust in God (33:1-3). All this is addressing him as a prophet.' The Quranic discussion about the relationship between Muhammad and his wives

 who are the mothers of the believers also addresses him as a prophet, O prophet, say to your wives, If you are seeking this life and its vanities, then let me compensate you and allow you to go amicably. (33:28), and The prophet had trusted some of his wives with a certain statement (66:3). The Quran was addressing the mothers of the believers, however, it didnt say ==> O wives of the messenger <== its always rather, it said O wives of the prophet, if any of you commits a gross sin, the retribution will be doubled for her. This is easy for God to do. (33:30), and O wives of the prophet, you are not the same as any other women (33:32). Hence, the discussion about his relationship with the people around him also addresses him as a prophet, O prophet, tell your wives, your daughters, and the wives of the believers that they shall lengthen their garments (33:59), and The prophet is closer to the believers than they are to each other, and his wives are like mothers to them (33:6), and O you who believe, do not enter the prophets homes unless you are given permission to eat (33:53) and Others made up excuses to the prophet: Our homes are vulnerable, (33:13), and so on. In light of this, the prophet is Muhammad the man, in his behaviour, in his private and public social relations, for this reason, he was addressed as the prophet to follow the revelation. Now Mufti Taha Khan when the prophet speaks with the Quran from WAHI/DIVINE REVELATION, he is the messenger who should be obeyed for the sake of Allah, We did not send any messenger except to be obeyed in accordance with Gods will (4:64), and Whoever obeys the messenger is obeying God (4:80). The prophet Muhammad as a human was the first to obey the Quranic revelation, and the first to implement it on himself. Whenever the prophet himself was ordered to follow the revelation, the instruction came to obey the messenger, that is, to obey the prophet when he spoke using the message, i.e. the Quran,

Say, Obey God, and obey the messenger. (24:54). There does not occur ==> a single instance <== in the Quran of Allah saying Obey Allah, and obey the prophet. Obeying the Nabi would mean obeying ==> "Nataq-un-Nabi" (Speech of Nabi) <== the human speech of the Prophet Muhammad. This is because obedience is not due to the prophet who is a human, but it is due to the message, i.e. the messenger, i.e. the word of Allah which was revealed to the prophet, and which the prophet was the first to obey. Hence, there does not occur a single instance in the Quran of the messenger being rebuked or corrected because the Prophet Muhammad as the messenger only conveyed the wahi/divine revelation. October 31 at 1:52am Like

Mufti Taha Khan I was gonna say this later after u answer my questions but u didn't, imma show u and talpur that Allah revealed to him something, but that something is not discussed in the Quran showing u that Allah revealed to him things that are not in the Quran October 31 at 1:59am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan I have already proved you wrong. You have to produce the Bayyinat (Clear Evidence) from Qur'an that the Prophet received MORE THAN THE QUR'AN. I have the clear evidence proving he only recevied Qur'an alone without quesiton so please if your going to provide us with assummptions please study the Qur'an more carefully. October 31 at 2:04am Like

Mufti Taha Khan Check Surah tahreem in the 28 juz, ayah number 3: Allah says that he shared something with him... Later in the verse he quotes the prophet that he said my lord told me.. Check the ayah before opening ur mouth. This verse clearly tells us there were things Allah told the prophet and didn't share it with people October 31 at 2:06am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan that does not mean anything at all in terms of bringing it to the WORLD. It wasn't for the WORLD to know about certain personal matters. This wasn't Wahi/Divine Revelation that was suppose to be conveyed to the WORLD if he did not convey it to the WORLD he would not be doing his job as a MESSENGER. "the duty of the Messenger is nothing but to convey (the message). And Allah knows all that you reveal and all that you conceal." 5/99 "Whether We show you part of what We have promised them or cause you to die, your duty is only to convey (the message) and on Us is the reckoning." 13/40 "And We sent not a Messenger except with the language of his people, in order that he might make (the message) clear for them. then Allah misleads whom He wills and guides whom He wills. And He is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise." 14/4 "This is a message for mankind (and a clear proof against them), in order that they may be warned thereby, and that they may know that He is the only One Ilah (God - Allah) - (none has the right to be worshipped but Allah) - and that men of understanding may take heed." 14/52 "therefore proclaim openly that which you are commanded, and turn away from Al-Mushrikun." 15/94 "then, if they turn away, your duty is only to convey (the message) in a clear way." 16/82 "Say: "Obey Allah and obey the Messenger, but if you turn away, he is only responsible for the duty placed on him (i.e. to convey Allah's message) and you for that placed on you. If you obey him, you shall be on the right guidance. the Messenger's duty is only to convey (the message) in a clear way." 24/54 "And if you deny, then nations before you have denied (their Messengers). And the duty of the Messenger is only to convey (the message) plainly." 29/18

Mufti if your alluding to Allah giving the Messenger other revelations and he hid the message from the people once again he would have failed in his duty as a messenger. So its clear whatever you are referring to that was between Allah, the Messenger and his wives wasn't for us to know. The Prophet did his job as a Messenger by delievering the message, the Qur'an. Allah confirms: "Messenger, proclaim everything that has been sent down to you from your Lordif you do not, then you will not have communicated His message- and God will protect you from people. God does not guide those who defy Him." 5/67 October 31 at 2:41am Edited Like

Mufti Taha Khan Second example of that: Surah baqarah ayah number 142: Allah says they will say what had turned them away from the qiblah they used to face? No where in the Quran does it say where they used to face? So what was Allah referring to and give evidence for it October 31 at 2:08am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan Third example: Allah says in Surah jummah ayah number 9: oh people of faith, when u are called for Jumma prayer then rush to the Jumma. What does he mean by calling for jummah? Quran dosent speak of it, ur gonna have to tell me something besides azaan because that's what Hadith tells us. Please do provide answers for these verses in the QURAN and what Allah means in them October 31 at 2:12am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan It either gonna have to tell me what Allah was referring to or according to u then the Quran has unpacked holes in it cuz why would Allah share something but won't discuss it, that defeats the purpose of the QURAN, because Allah sent it so we practice it and seek guidance from it October 31 at 2:15am via mobile Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Wow! Too much stuff for u lets slow it down... Allah said when u r called to Jumma then rush towards it, my question to u is what was that calling.. Cuz I like what ur saying that Quran is enough, so I wanna know what Allah means by "when u r called"? October 31 at 2:21am via mobile Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Answer accordingly October 31 at 2:22am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan No one calls me for jummah! October 31 at 2:26am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan again and again you can try to say this and that was not revealed and that the Prophet was given secret revelation which is not validated by the Qur'an your facing a losing battle. "You who have iman! when ndiya (the call is made) to salat on the Day of Jumua, hasten to the remembrance of Allah and abandon trade. That is better for you if you only knew." 62/9 The same word is used: "yundnahum (They will call them), "Were we not with you?" They will say, "Yes, but you afflicted yourselves and awaited [misfortune for us] and doubted, and wishful thinking deluded you until there came the command of Allah. And the Deceiver deceived you concerning Allah." 57/14 "Then be patient for the decision of your Lord, and be not like the companion of

the fish when nd (he called out) while he was distressed." 68/48 The call can be any call in terms of calling to Allah on the Day of Assembly. You want me to provide evidence but you have yet to provide me with my answers. Any of the believers calling out relating the verses of Allah reminding us of Allah we should always assemble or gather together. Allah says the remembrance of Allah hearts find rest: "Those who believed and whose hearts find rest in the remembrance of Allah: verily, in the remembrance of Allah do hearts find rest ." 13/28 "O you who believe! Let not your properties or your children divert you from the remembrance of Allah. And whosoever does that, then they are the losers." 63/9 Allah placed His remembrance above salaat in value by making salaat the means and remembrance the goal. Allah says, "Lo! Worship guards one from lewdness and iniquity, but verily, remembrance of Allah is greater/more important." (29:45) "He is successful who purifies himself, and remembers the name of his Lord, and so prays." (87:14-15) "So establish salaat for My remembrance." (20:14) So any call that is made rather it be rehearsing the ayats of Allah, peforming righteous actions for the pleasure of Allah is a call to come togther. Can you please answer my points if you speak the truth be honest and just say you don't have the answers. PRODUCE ONE VERSE IN AL QUR'AAN THAT SAYS EITHER ONE OF THE FOLLOWING: (1) We are suppose to follow Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by NAME or... (2) We will get guidance from Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by NAME or (3) We are suppose to believe in Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by NAME ? or

(4) Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) was revealed or sent down (nazala) to Muhammad by NAME? Do you have the ANSWERS yes or no? If you give me a clear answer we can move on. October 31 at 4:52am Edited Like

Mufti Taha Khan Look I will answer this question of urs aswell, but my simple question is ur claim is that we don't need sunnah and Hadith, my simple question now is what calling is Allah referring to? Is it a phone call from Allah we are to receive before jummah, a text or what... October 31 at 4:52am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan Because according to u we don't need sunnah and the Quran is enough! Allah is saying when u are CALLED! So what is this calling! October 31 at 4:54am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari I just answered your questions Mufti Taha Khan as i have answered many of others please answer mines stop beating around the bush. October 31 at 4:55am Like

Khidr Amari Do you have the Bayyinat (Clear Evidence) validating your Hadith or Sunnah, yes or no.... October 31 at 4:55am Like

Mufti Taha Khan Please tell me where u answered this question October 31 at 4:56am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari I'll repost and please answer my question... October 31 at 4:57am Like

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan again and again you can try to say this and that was not revealed and that the Prophet was given secret revelation which is not validated by the Qur'an your facing a losing battle. "You who have iman! when ndiya (the call is made) to salat on the Day of Jumua, hasten to the remembrance of Allah and abandon trade. That is better for you if you only knew." 62/9 The same word is used: "yundnahum (They will call them), "Were we not with you?" They will say, "Yes, but you afflicted yourselves and awaited [misfortune for us] and doubted, and wishful thinking deluded you until there came the command of Allah. And the Deceiver deceived you concerning Allah." 57/14 "Then be patient for the decision of your Lord, and be not like the companion of the fish when nd (he called out) while he was distressed." 68/48 The call can be any call in terms of calling to Allah on the Day of Assembly. You want me to provide evidence but you have yet to provide me with my answers. Any of the believers calling out relating the verses of Allah reminding us of Allah we should always assemble or gather together. Allah says the remembrance of Allah hearts find rest: "Those who believed and whose hearts find rest in the remembrance of Allah: verily, in the remembrance of Allah do hearts find rest ." 13/28

"O you who believe! Let not your properties or your children divert you from the remembrance of Allah. And whosoever does that, then they are the losers." 63/9 Allah placed His remembrance above salaat in value by making salaat the means and remembrance the goal. Allah says, "Lo! Worship guards one from lewdness and iniquity, but verily, remembrance of Allah is greater/more important." (29:45) "He is successful who purifies himself, and remembers the name of his Lord, and so prays." (87:14-15) "So establish salaat for My remembrance." (20:14) So any call that is made rather it be rehearsing the ayats of Allah, peforming righteous actions for the pleasure of Allah is a call to come togther. Can you please answer my points if you speak the truth be honest and just say you don't have the answers. PRODUCE ONE VERSE IN AL QUR'AAN THAT SAYS EITHER ONE OF THE FOLLOWING: (1) We are suppose to follow Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by NAME or... (2) We will get guidance from Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by NAME or (3) We are suppose to believe in Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by NAME ? or (4) Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) was revealed or sent down (nazala) to Muhammad by NAME? Do you have the ANSWERS yes or no? If you give me a clear answer we can move on. October 31 at 4:57am Like

Mufti Taha Khan U said calling of Allah are those verses where it says establish salah etc, but why is jummah mentioned seperately? Hence u didn't answer the question... Plus establish salah is an order, but that ayah says the calling is before salah, October 31 at 4:59am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan I'm not sure if u know what in the Arabic language means! October 31 at 5:00am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan U have no idea how to debate. I answer ur questions u say I didn't, I ask u a question u ask me a diff question.. October 31 at 5:06am via mobile Like 3

Mufti Taha Khan Again.. Nida means to call, not order... What's this calling here October 31 at 5:13am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan Can I call u instead cuz u seem to be dodging my questions, I will then record our convo and throw it here on FB? Give me ur number lemme call u October 31 at 5:15am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Again, Mufti Taha Khan,

"You who have iman! when ndiya (the call is made) to salat on the Day of Jumua, hasten to the remembrance of Allah and abandon trade. That is better for you if you only knew." 62/9 It does not have to mean a specific all as I have indicated through other ayats of Allah with the same word. "yundnahum (They will call them), "Were we not with you?" They will say, "Yes, but you afflicted yourselves and awaited [misfortune for us] and doubted, and wishful thinking deluded you until there came the command of Allah. And the Deceiver deceived you concerning Allah." 57/14 "Then be patient for the decision of your Lord, and be not like the companion of the fish when nd (he called out) while he was distressed." 68/48 Whatever type of calling, bringing together to remember Allah and establishing the Salaat which has various meanings it also means establishing the Divine System anything we do to call, to bring together believers to remember Allah is righteous. Jummah can be a day of gathering to read the ayats of Allah, to remember Allah. 'ruQ eritne eht tuohguorht desu si i an. "And he gathered fand (and called out) " 79/23 "wand nun (And Noah called) rabbahu (to his Lord) and said, "My Lord, indeed my son is of my family; and indeed, Your promise is true; and You are the most just of judges!" 11/45 So you mean to tell me when Allah says, "You who have iman! when ndiya (the call is made) to salat on the Day of Jumua, hasten to the remembrance of Allah and abandon trade. That is better for you if you only knew." 62/9 There is a specific way we should call to Salaat other than calling to what is good come on now. Nun-Dal-Waw/Ya = proclaim, call, summon, invite, call anyone to convey something, hail, call out, raising the voice, assembly Allah says, "ud'u (Invite/call) to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly]

guided." 16/125 "And keep yourself patient [by being] with those who yadna (cal)l upon their Lord in the morning and the evening, seeking His countenance. And let not your eyes pass beyond them, desiring adornments of the worldly life, and do not obey one whose heart We have made heedless of Our remembrance and who follows his desire and whose affair is ever [in] neglect." 18/28 Dal-Ayn-Waw = to seek, desire, ask, demand, call upon, invoke, ascribe, cry out, call out to, pray, supplicate, petition, require, need, summon, invite, assert The way Allah tells us in both words its clear that calling, inviting to Allah rather they be believers or non believers is righteous deeds. Jummah is day of assembly so the calling is before the gathering so whenever we call its a gathering for rememberance of Allah. Salaat is establishing the Divine System in our lives along with communicating with Allah with no RITUALS attached. October 31 at 5:20am Like

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan I have posted my points you have not answered one of them yet.... PRODUCE ONE VERSE IN AL QUR'AAN THAT SAYS EITHER ONE OF THE FOLLOWING: (1) We are suppose to follow Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by NAME or... (2) We will get guidance from Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by NAME or (3) We are suppose to believe in Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by NAME ? or (4) Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) was revealed or sent down (nazala) to Muhammad by NAME? Do you have the ANSWERS yes or no? If you give me a clear answer we can move on. October 31 at 5:21am Like

Khidr Amari No one has dodged your questions I have answered your questions time and time again any one can see by our comments you have yet to produce one ayat telling us to follow or believe in Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by NAME October 31 at 5:22am Like

Khidr Amari I answered your questions Mufti Taha Khan i want a clear cut ayat like I presented to you showing you Sunnatu Allah and Millata Ibrahim is right in Qur'an by NAME do the same for ==> Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by NAME October 31 at 5:27am Like

Mufti Taha Khan Give me ur number

October 31 at 5:39am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari I'm not giving you my number Mufti Taha Khan we can continue our discussion right here in the group. October 31 at 5:42am Like

Khidr Amari I'm still waiting for the Bayyinat (Clear Evidence) for my four points. October 31 at 5:42am Edited Like

Mufti Taha Khan Ur scared? October 31 at 5:45am via mobile Like 1

Khidr Amari Subhan Allah after all what we have discussed thus far I'm scared it seems your running trying to evade my questions. October 31 at 5:46am Like 2

Mufti Taha Khan Ur doin that here, but can't on a phone October 31 at 5:48am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Nah I want people to see our discussions on the telephone wouldn't be approriate it would be you and I just trying to over talk each other having a pointless discourse. Here is more organize where we both can express ourselves. October 31 at 5:50am Like 3

Mufti Taha Khan We are gonna throw it on FB. And debates are done better when we can hear each othet October 31 at 5:53am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Nah, either you continue here or you can forget about it ... can you refer back to my four points and answer them October 31 at 5:55am Like 1

Saeed Talpur EYE-OPENER VERSES REGARDING HADITHS. 69:43 A revelation from the Lord of the worlds. 69:44 And had he attributed anything falsely to Us. 69:45 We would have seized him by the right. 69:46 Then, We would have severed his life-line. 69:47 None of you would be able to prevent it. 17:73 And they nearly diverted you from what We inspired to you so that you would fabricate something different against Us, and then they would have taken you as a friend! 17:74 And if We had not made you stand firm, you were about to lean towards them a little bit. 17:75 Then, We would have made you taste double the retribution in this life and double the retribution in death. And then you would not find for yourself any victor against Us. October 31 at 5:59am Like 2

Mufti Taha Khan I'm gonna answer them in a question format... The Quran u quoted in all the verses u named the ayah numbers and sura number... I want to know what Quran u use meaning what Surah it starts with? October 31 at 6:01am via mobile Like

Ramla Farah we Quran aloners, atheiests? are you kidding me now? do you not trust in the Quran that much, aithest dont belive in God while those who try to walk the Quranic path do, the Quran tells us to believe in God, that is a retarded argument, sorry but I had to put a few cents in October 31 at 6:04am Like 3

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan, I just want clear cut ayats, Bayyinat (Clear Evidence) like I gave you Millata Ibrahim and Sunnatu Rasoolullah...can you produce the ayats telling us clearly not assuming, not using inferences... I want to know can you find the ayats that tells us to follow or believe or use as a form of guidance or that these were revealed to the Prophet.... PRODUCE ONE VERSE IN AL QUR'AAN THAT SAYS EITHER ONE OF THE FOLLOWING: (1) We are suppose to follow Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by NAME or... (2) We will get guidance from Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by NAME or (3) We are suppose to believe in Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by NAME ? or (4) Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) was revealed or sent down (nazala) to Muhammad by NAME? Millata Ibrahim is mentioned by NAME so is Sunntu Allah....Allah does not run out of words I know you can do the same for Sunnatu Rasoolullah or Nataq-unNabi (Speech of Nabi).... show us clearly if you can produce one ayat telling us to follow or believe in these Hadith/Sunnah of Muhammad I'll follow them. October 31 at 6:07am Edited Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan The Quran says what ever the prophet gives u then take it and what he prevents u from refrain from it!

October 31 at 6:18am via mobile Like

Saeed Talpur This verse is about the war booty. Not about his sayings. October 31 at 6:22am Like 3

Ramla Farah read the verse with its context Mufti its about war booty, the context is about war. October 31 at 6:23am Like 1

Khidr Amari I guess Mufti Taha Khan you can't produce the ayat you have to spin circles around our heads like Christians do believing in inferences indirect ayats not clear ayats like I have given you that says to follow Millata Ibrahim. That's a shame that you can't produce one clear ayat telling us to follow the Nataq-unNabi (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu Rasoolullah. October 31 at 6:24am Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Dear idiots, just because its talking about it does not mean it can't be used as a general rule October 31 at 6:26am via mobile Like

Saeed Talpur AND YOU MAY TAKE WHAT THE MESSENGER GIVES YOU, BUT DO NOT TAKE WHAT HE PROHIBITS YOU FROM TAKING 59:7 Whatever God bestowed upon His messenger from the people of the towns,

then it shall be to God and His messenger, and the relatives, and the orphans, and the poor, and the wayfarer. Thus, it will not remain monopolized by the rich among you. And you may take what the messenger gives you, but do not take what he prohibits you from taking. And be aware of God, for God is mighty in retribution. October 31 at 6:27am Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan And if the contex is the issue to u,, then Allah says follow me and follow the prophet.. October 31 at 6:28am via mobile Like

Saeed Talpur Obedience to Allah and his messenger are not two separate obediences but one obedience. October 31 at 6:30am Like 1

Ramla Farah When the servant of Allah stands calling on Him, they almost swarm all over him. Say: 'I call only upon my Lord and do not associate anyone else with Him.' Say: 'I possess no power to do you harm or to guide you right.' Say: 'No one can protect me from Allah and I will never find any refuge apart from Him only in transmitting from Allah and His Messages. As for him who disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he will have the Fire of Hell, remaining in it timelessly, for ever and ever.' So that when they see what they were promised, they will know who has less support and smaller numbers. Say: 'I do not know whether what you are promised is close or whether my Lord will appoint a longer time before it.' (72:19-25) And when Our clear communications are recited to them, those who hope not for Our meeting say: Bring a Quran other than this or change it. Say: It is not for me to change it of myself; I only follow what has been revealed to me; surely I fear, if I disobey my Lord, the punishment of a mighty day. (10:15)

Say: I am nothing new among the Messengers. I have no idea what will be done with me or you. I only follow what has been revealed to me. I am only a clear warner. (46:9) Say: O people! indeed there has come to you the truth from your Lord (The Quran), therefore whoever receives guidance, he does so only for the good of his own soul, and whoever goes astray, he goes astray only to the detriment of it, and I am not a disposer of affairs for you. And follow what is revealed to you and be patient till Allah should give judgment, and He is the best of the judges. (10:108-109)

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Khidr Amari lol now the name calling begins come on Mufti Taha Khan I know you can do better than that. October 31 at 6:30am Like 2

Khidr Amari Allah does not run out of words Mufti Taha Khan Allah says His Book is complete, fully detailed and it explains all things in terms of divine guidance. October 31 at 6:31am Like 1

Ramla Farah Am I to desire someone other than Allah as a judge when it is He Who has sent down the Book explained in detail?" Those We have given the Book know that it has been sent down from your Lord with truth, so on no account be among the doubters

(6: 114) Surely We have revealed the Book to you with the truth that you may judge between people by means of that which Allah has taught you; and be not an advocate on behalf of the treacherous. (4:105) Muhammad warns by the Quran, not by his own wisdom: Say: What thing is the weightiest in testimony? Say: Allah is witness between you and me; and this Quran has been revealed to me that with it I may warn you and whomsoever it reaches. Do you really bear witness that there are other gods with Allah? Say: I do not bear witness. Say: He is only one Allah, and surely I am clear of that which you set up (with Him). (6:19) ^^^^^^^ October 31 at 6:31am Like 2

Ramla Farah Allah Decides and the messenger decides the same way, no separation in this: When Allah and His Messenger have decided something it is not for any man or woman of the believers to have a choice about it. Anyone who disobeys Allah and His Messenger is clearly misguided. (33:36)

October 31 at 6:35am Like 2

Saeed Talpur 4:64 We do not send a messenger except to be obeyed with the permission of God. And had they come to you when they had wronged themselves

and sought the forgiveness of God, and the messenger sought forgiveness for them, they would have then found God to be Pardoning, Merciful. October 31 at 6:39am Edited Like 2

Mufti Taha Khan If everything is in the Quran then why does Allah say then the people will know who do istinbaat and extract rulings from it?! October 31 at 6:38am via mobile Like

Ramla Farah Allah gives us rulings in the Quran October 31 at 6:40am Like 2

Khidr Amari It says Mufti Taha Khan follow the Messenger, even the Prophet had to follow what was revealed to him. October 31 at 6:40am Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan And if everything is in the Quran then when a woman gets divorced and she has to spend her iddah and Quran says three periods, the word is quroo which means both the days she is pure also her periods... Which one is it?? October 31 at 6:42am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan What a stupid answer that the ruling is in the Quran.. The word extracting rulings is clearly mentioned, why the need for people who extract rulings? October 31 at 6:44am via mobile Like

Saeed Talpur I MERELY FOLLOW WHAT IS INSPIRED TO ME 6:50 Say: "I do not say to you that I possess the treasures of God, nor do I know the future, nor do I say to you that I am an angel. I MERELY FOLLOW WHAT IS INSPIRED TO ME." Say: "Are the blind and the seer the same? Do you not think?" 10:15 And when Our clear revelations were recited to them, those who do not wish to meet Us said: "Bring a Qur'an other than this, or change it!" Say: "It is not for me to change it of my own accord, I MERELY FOLLOW WHAT IS INSPIRED TO ME. I fear, if I disobeyed my Lord, the retribution of a great Day!" October 31 at 6:47am Edited Like 2

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan I guess you give up. October 31 at 6:48am Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Are u forcing a victory????!! I October 31 at 6:49am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan I'm ready to abandon Hadith only if u tell me where Allah says how much to give zakah and how to perform hajj! He says pray and give zakah and perform hajj but details are not mentioned. What do I do???? October 31 at 6:51am via mobile Like 1

Saeed Talpur @Mufti Taha Khan 2:228 And those divorced shall wait for three menstruation periods; and it is not lawful for them to conceal what God has created in their wombs, if they believe in God and the Last Day. And their husbands would then have just cause to return together, if they both wish to reconcile. And the obligations owed to them are to be fulfilled, as are the obligations owed by them. But the men will have a greater responsibility over them in this. And God is Noble, Wise. 65:4 As for those who have reached menopause from your women, if you have any doubts, their interim shall be three months - as well as for those who did not menstruate. And those who are already pregnant, their interim is until they give birth. And anyone who reverences God, He makes his matters easy for him. October 31 at 6:53am Like

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan, How many or how much more Bayyinat (Clear Evidence) do you want. Have you read the Qur'an in every ayat about Hajj, Salaat, Zakat, Saum? Classical Arabic meanings: = Haa-Jiim-Jiim = to intend to a certain target, aim at, repair, undertake, repaired/betook himself to or towards a person / place / object of veneration/respect/honour, went/visit frequently/repeatedly, pilgrimage. Overcome another by/in argument/evidences/proofs/testimonies, plead, contend/argue/dispute. hajja vb. perf. act. 2:158

n.vb. 2:189, 2:196, 2:196, 2:196, 2:197, 2:197, 2:197, 3:97, 9:3, 22:27 pcple. act. 9:19 hijaj n.f. (pl. of hijjah) 28:27 hujjah n.f. 2:150, 4:165, 6:83, 6:149, 42:15, 42:16, 45:25 hajja vb. perf. act. 2:258, 3:20, 3:61, 3:66, 6:80 impf. act. 2:76, 2:139, 3:65, 3:66, 3:73, 6:80, 42:16 tahajja vb. (6) impf. act. 40:47 The Basic fundamentals of Salaat: The Qur'an gives us the main features of salat prayer but I'm sure you wouldn't have notice this because your too busy abandoning the Qur'an for man made guesswork called Hadith. In the Qur'an we are given the following: 1) the normal ablution (5:6), 2) the abnormal ablution (4:43), 3) the proper dress (7:31), 4) standing and facing the qiblah (2:144), 5) the times (11:114, 17:78, 24:58, 2:238, 30:17-18 and 20:130), 6) the bowing and prostrating (2:43,125,3:42, 22:77, 48:29), 7) using moderate voice when saying prayers (17:110), not calling anyone else besides God in prayer (72:18) and 9) modified mode of prayer at unusual times (4:101,103). I strongly suggest reading what it says about "salah". Here is every occurrence: musalla ( )n. m. - 2:125

salat ( )n. f. sing. - 2:3, 2:43, 2:45, 2:83, 2:110, 2:153, 2:177, 2:238, 2:277, 4:43, 4:77, 4:101, 4:102, 4:103, 4:103, 4:103, 4:142, 4:162, 5:6, 5:12, 5:55, 5:58, 5:91, 5:106, 6:72, 6:92, 6:162, 7:170, 8:3, 8:35, 9:5, 9:11, 9:18, 9:54, 9:71, 9:103, 10:87, 11:87, 11:114, 13:22, 14:31, 14:37, 14:40, 17:78, 17:110, 19:31, 19:55, 19:59, 20:14, 20:132, 21:73, 22:35, 22:41, 22:78, 23:2, 24:37, 24:41, 24:56, 24:58, 24:58, 27:3, 29:45, 29:45, 30:31, 31:4, 31:17, 33:33, 35:18, 35:29, 42:38, 58:13, 62:9, 62:10, 70:23, 70:34, 73:20, 98:5, 107:5 salawat ( ) nom. gen. n. plu. - 2:157, 2:238, 9:99, 22:40, 23:9 salla ( )vb.II m. perf. act. 75:31, 87:15, 96:10 impf. act. 3:39, plu. neg. 4:102, plu. 4:102, tusalli ( )neg. 9:84, yusallee ( )sing. 33:43, yusalloona ( ) plu. 33:56 salli ( )impv. 9:103, salloo ( ) plu. 33:56, 108:2 musalleena ( )pcple. act. plu. acc. gen. 70:22, 74:43, 107:4 From my research about Zakat here is every occurrence in Al Quran for you to look through: zaka vb. (I) perf. act. - 24:21 (e.g. chapter 24, verse 21) zakat n.f. - 2:43, 2:83, 2:110, 2:177, 2:277, 4:77, 4:162, 5:12, 5:55, 7:156, 9:5, 9:11, 9:18, 9:71, 18:81, 19:13, 19:31, 19:55, 21:73, 22:41, 22:78, 23:4, 24:37, 24:56, 27:3, 30:39, 31:4, 33:33, 41:7, 58:13, 73:20, 98:5 zakiy n.m. (adj. comp. azka) - 2:232, 18:19, 18:74, 19:19, 24:28, 24:30 zakka vb. (II) perf. act. - 91:9 impf. act. - 2:129, 2:151, 2:174, 3:77, 3:164, 4:49, 4:49, 9:103, 24:21, 53:32, 62:2 tazakka vb, (V) perf. act. - 20:76, 35:18, 79:18, 87:14 impf. act. - 35:18, 80:3, 80:7, 92:18 FASTING

1) Allah desires not hardship for fasting, al-Baqarah 2:185 2) during the Hajj, al-Baqarah 2:196 3) during Ramadan, al-Baqarah 2:185, 4) exemptions, al-Baqarah 2:184-185 5) hours of, al-Baqarah 2:187 6) al-Baqarah 2:183-184,196 I suggest you study the Qur'an as Allah instructs us to and stop reading Hadith. Truly get to know Allah's Book. October 31 at 6:56am Like 1

Saeed Talpur Zakah means purification. Zakah does not mean 2.5 % once in a year. Term Sadaqat is used in the Quran. 2:219 ..And they ask you how much they are to give, say: "The excess." It is thus that God clarifies for you the revelations that you may think. October 31 at 7:02am Like 1

Saeed Talpur The Hajj (Pilgrimage) is a visit to the sanctuary of God, which every adult Muslim must undertake at least once in their life if they can afford it and are physically able. The commandment of Hajj is given in verse 3:97. 3:97 In it are clear signs: the station of Abraham. And whoever enters it will be secure. And God is owed from the people to make Pilgrimage to the Sanctuary, whoever can make a path to it. And whoever rejects, then God has no need of the worlds. IMPORTANT INFORMATION AND USEFUL TIPS FOR HAJJ AND 'UMRAH

Praise and commemorate God; ask for His guidance and forgiveness continuously. Devote your worship to Him Alone. There is no special day to begin or end Hajj within the 4 sacred months, including Friday. Neither is there any 'type' of Hajj with different names and days. Every pilgrimage has the same value and a Friday ending does not make a Hajj greater (Akbari). Once at Mecca, typically the 'Umrah portion can be completed within 2 hours. The entire pilgrimage (Mecca to Mecca), needs a minimum of 5 days to complete it comfortably. After 'Umrah, since the present road to 'Arafat goes via Mina, it is not wrong to halt at Mina on the way, but this halt is not a part of the pilgrimage steps. After 'Arafat and Muzdalifah, the pilgrim is required to spend at least 2 days at Mina for the animal sacrifice and Jamraat stoning rites. Be comfortable, cheerful and mentally free from confusion. No religious duty is meant to be a hardship. Do not deliberately make things hard on yourself or try to look miserable and burdened. Never innovate religious rules or prohibitions. Abstain from sexual intercourse and vanities such as shaving and cutting of hair. Cooperate in matters of righteousness and piety. Avoid arguments, misconduct, bad language and losing your temper. Maintain regular hygiene practices such as bathing and washing. It is not wrong to use soap or brush teeth with toothpaste. There are no Salat (Contact) Prayers in Islam, except the daily prayers, regardless of pilgrimage or Ramadan month etc. It is also extremely wrong to prohibit women from doing the Salat prayer, or performing pilgrimage, or fulfilling any religious obligation during their menstruation. The religious practices for men and women are the same. Kissing of the black stone (Ka'bah) or seeking its blessings is wrong. The stone is not holy and there is no 'special' side for it. Touching and commemorating Abraham's supposed footprints (on display) is wrong and has nothing to do with pilgrimage. Zam Zam water is not 'magic' or 'holy water'. Ablution or bathing in Zam Zam water does not enhance your prayer value. The animal sacrifice offered on the first morning in Mina commemorates God's intervention to save Ismail and Abraham from Satan's trick. You do not have to physically sacrifice the animal yourself and can have someone else do it for you.

Rushing to complete the stoning ritual exclusively before noon on the first morning in Mina is a false belief. Visiting Madinah or other locations for religious purposes is not part of Islam. There is only one Sacred Masjid (Ka'bah) designated by God. Offering prayers at prophet Muhammad's tomb or to commemorate anyone except God is idol worship (shirk), and nullifies all worship and acts of righteousness in life. Take measures to keep well and be safe to enjoy and focus on your pilgrimage: It gets hot in the day. Your skin can blister or you could suffer from heat stroke, so keep yourself protected accordingly. Water, food, shade and first aid are available so make appropriate use of them. Stay with your groups to avoid getting lost. Keep your money and travel documents safely. Watch out for pickpockets and people posing as guides or officials. There is no religious Idd (Eid) festival to be celebrated by the world. Obviously, since there is no particular day to end Hajj. If people want to celebrate completion of a great obligation to God, it is okay as long as they do not make it a religious law. Dealing with certain Hajj and 'Umrah situations. Quran verse 2:196 is selfexplanatory for these situations: "You shall observe the complete rites of Hajj and`Umrah for GOD. If you are prevented, you shall send an offering, and do not resume cutting your hair until your offering has reached its destination. If you are ill, or suffering a head injury (and you must cut your hair), you shall expiate by fasting, or giving to charity, or some other form of worship. During the normal Hajj, if you break the state of Ihraam (sanctity) between `Umrah and Hajj, you shall expiate by offering an animal sacrifice. If you cannot afford it, you shall fast three days during Hajj and seven when you return home - this completes ten - provided you do not live at the Sacred Masjid. You shall observe GOD, and know that GOD is strict in enforcing retribution." Clearing misconceptions about going on Hajj or 'Umrah * Hajj does not wipe out all your past or future sins. It is just one of your religious duties. You still have to worship God alone, live righteously and uphold His laws throughout your life. * Hajj does not mean you are special or blessed for the rest of your life and that everything will go great thereon. * Doing Hajj on particular days, especially ending on Fridays or on days which prophet Muhammad 'apparently' did them does not make any difference. These do not enhance the value of the pilgrimage. Performing 'Umrah during Ramadan

does not make it better. The 4 sacred months allow for the world to fulfill their obligations comfortably. * Proxy Hajj: No one can do a pilgrimage for anyone else, dead or alive, just like no one can fast or do Salat for someone else. If you cannot make pilgrimage for whatever reason, you have to pray and wait till God arranges it for you someday, if He so wills. * There is also a false belief that a woman can only perform pilgrimage if she is accompanied by a male relative such as father, brother, son or husband, referred to as 'Mihrim or 'Mehram'. This means that a spinster who does not have a father or brother may find it impossible to do Hajj or will have to legally declare a male to be like her father or brother. This is a falsehood and we look forward to God changing this soon. * You must do Hajj when you can afford it. It is not required to sell your assets and become poor to go on Hajj and spend the rest of your life in debt and misery. God is Most Merciful. * You should also consider going on Hajj when you have developed your soul well so you can relate to this once in a lifetime opportunity. Likewise, just taking a child on Hajj is not being fair to the child by telling it that it has fulfilled its obligation for life. Also, passing over 'Arafat in a plane or such absurd ideas does not mean you have done Hajj. Remember, a pilgrimage is a once in a lifetime opportunity and a great occasion to come very close to God and develop your soul. Be well prepared for it mentally, spiritually and financially. Keep in mind that Satan will try and corrupt your Hajj as he has already corrupted several rites and laws in the religion. Most of what you will be told to do at Hajj is from Hadith & Sunnah books (Satanic innovations) and has no basis in Quran -- God's only book of religious law for Muslims. October 31 at 7:10am Like 1

Iam Didiet Mufti Taha Khan...are you really confident to what they call you as "imam"? pity you...you don't even worth it. October 31 at 7:11am Like 1

Saeed Talpur ISLAMIC MONTHS 1. MUHARRAM 2. SAFAR 3. RABI-AL-AWWAL 4. RABI-AL-THANI 5. JUMADA-AL-AWWAL 6. JUMADA-AL-THANI 7. RAJAB 8. SHABAN 9. RAMADAN 10. SHAWWAL 11. ZUL-QAADAH 12. ZUL-HIJJAH FOUR SACRED MONTHS 1. ZUL-HIJJAH 2. MUHARRAM 3. SAFAR 4. RABI-AL-AWWAL WHICH IS THE FIRST MONTH FOR HAJJ? The 12th month of the Islamic calender is called Zu Al-Hijja and that is because it is the first month of hajj. In 2:31 we read that God taught Adam all the names, or in other words everything is given its name by God. It is God who called a tree a tree, and a car a car, and it was also God who named winter as winter and summer as summer and so on. It follows that it was also God who named the month of Zhu Al-Hijjah by its name. The literal meaning of the name Zhu Al-Hijjah is: the (month) of the hajj. God gave this month this specific name so that we would know that hajj starts when this arrives. ARE THE MONTHS FOR HAJJ CONSECUTIVE OR NOT? Indeed the four months for hajj are consecutive. They are the 12th, 1st , 2nd and 3rd months of the Islamic calendar. They are the months of (Zhu Al-Hijjah, Muharram, Safar and Rabi I). The consecutive nature of these four months is confirmed in the following verse: Once the hurum months have insalakha you may kill the idol worshipers (who continue to attack you) when you encounter them, punish them, and resist every move they make. 9:5

The key word in the above verse and which is relevant to this matter is the word insalakha. The word literally means skinned. This is the sense of how we skin a snake for example. The movement of skinning a snake means we would remove the skin gradually from one end to the other, or in other words; a gradual and consecutive movement. God deliberately uses this word in 9:5 in connection to the months of hajj. God could have simply said: when the (hurum) months have passed. So why did God deliberately use this word? It is because the word insalakha indicates a consecutive meaning, or in other words it tells us that the 4 hurum months are consecutive months. October 31 at 7:11am Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Sorry zakah and sadaqah are different.. Both are mentioned in the Quran ... In hajj no mention if order of actions same with salah I can sajdah dirst then ruku then stand I guess.. So where's the correct order... October 31 at 7:42am via mobile Like

Yasrael Medjay mufti khan--here is --THE SALAT AND OTHER ISSUES YOU ASKED FROM A QURAN ALONE SITEhttp://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=quran%20alone%20islam.org%2 0al%20salat&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CB4QFjAA&url=http %3A%2F%2Fwww.quran-islam.org%2Fmain_topics%2Fislam%2Fpillars%2Falsalat_(P1192).html&ei=jnWQUPn2LTAiwKWtYCgCQ&usg=AFQjCNHeiy71Yc876Pw0zRGBnz_3-Yjj4w October 31 at 7:58am Like

Mufti Taha Khan Sorry bro but it dosent have the order of salah, and if it was left for us to determine the order then it defeats the purpose, if Allah can tell us u need

u facing a certain direction then to leave out how to perform salah dosent make sense.. I'm sorry but it dosent make sence October 31 at 8:12am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan Allah said follow the rasool.. He said in the prophet is the best if examples, what was the need to say such a thing.. Him saying that is saying that we must follow the prophet in everything.. Now if u say that that's in the things Allah sent and ur cutting everything else out then u too will have to provide proof from Quran saying so making that difference or it saying only follow him in things I sent AND NOTHING ELSe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This addition is from ur pockets or provide proif October 31 at 8:16am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan Proof* October 31 at 8:16am via mobile Like

Iam Didiet what you read from the Quran that is properly, if the order is not mentioned then it is not necessary. so why do you dispute something if Allah not making the issue? Do you think God would forget something important to be our guide, as he has said, "Say:" Shall I seek for judge other than Allah? - When He it is Who hath sent unto you the Book, EXPLAINED IN DETAIL. "They know full well, to Whom We have given the Book, that it hath been sent down from thy Lord in truth. Never be then of those who doubt . "6:114 Who does not make sense? You or God? October 31 at 8:28am Edited Like 1

Yasrael Medjay interesting debate--how did people think they could debate the quran and the people of the quran--they think we are new?--I find it strange did they forget that many of the quran reciters the most learned had died in wars according to their recording of history?and secondly are they not following their own hadith in which according to them their hadith--they say rsululah said I am but a human being like you so I may error except in matters of revelation I do not error of you must obey----I remember this from when I was salafi and the shia would argue /no everything the prophet said is revelation he does not error he is masum/sinless---so I find it actually somwhat funny but serious that now some salafiyya are now acting like the shia and are going against their own hadith--when I get home Ill get that hadith--but masH-ALLAH--the book of Allah was victorious over those who attempted to foist innovation on they should be happy though,that we do the same as umar al kitab said--JARRIDUL QURAN--keep the quran bare /away from traditions /hadith--dont they claim they follow sahabah? then burn the hadiths as they did as abu bakr and umar and as abu haraira did by force by some other sahabah--you guys always marvelled how some sahabah were the most pure according to you--well its because they followed the quran alone and understood its sciences---of course you have other contradictory hadith too because you have books from which you can support any school of thought-whatever you desire October 31 at 8:27am Like 2

Yasrael Medjay khidr may Allah reward you greatly--jazakhallah October 31 at 8:30am Like 4

Yasrael Medjay here according to their hadith the prophet commits errors of course when hes not guided by revelation or acting under it--it even falsly says he will judge people according to how eloquent they are and if a muslum accepts that judgment then hes eating a piece of fire--is this the natiq of the prophet we are supposed to obey that if we dont we go to hellfire or is this the natiq we obey his judgment then we go to the fire? hmmmmhttp://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=the%20prophet%20said%20i %20am%20a%20human%20being%20i%20may%20error&source=web&cd=3& cad=rja&ved=0CCwQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.infinitelight.org%2Fco ntent%2Fview%2F6953%2F19%2F&ei=JYyQUJDVM8aiiQLjoGQDA&usg=AFQjCNFUhVPhA6fkI6aWbqfK02DAJbIR0w

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Lola Parker Okay. It was asked where does the Quran say NOT to follow the Prophet... Here's the short answer >>Allah told MANKIND via the Prophet in 5.87 "O you who believe! do not forbid the good things which Allah has made lawful for you and do not exceed the limits; surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits. >>Then Allah told MUHAMMAD specifically in 66:1 "O Prophet, why do you prohibit what Allah has made lawful for you, seeking the approval of your wives? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful" In this example the question(s) is, did the prophet sin? The answer is clearly YES. So the real question is, WHERE DOES THE QURAN SAY TO FOLLOW THE SINS OF ANYONE EVEN PROPHETS? #Its_been_made_clear_and_easy_to_understand_for_a_reason October 31 at 9:16am Like 2

Yasrael Medjay here is the hadith i promised according to your hadith at times the prophet gives orders from the revelation then that is when you are to obey--but if its his own personal opinion outside of revelation then you dont have to-http://www.hadithcollection.com/sahihmuslim/158Sahih%20Muslim%20Book%2030.%20The%20Excellent%20Qualities%20Of%2 0The%20Holy%20Prophet%20(PBUH)%20And%20His%20Companions/14030sahih-muslim-book-030-hadith-number-5831.html October 31 at 9:22am Edited Like 1

Yasrael Medjay so even in your so called hadith--NOT ALL OF THE PROPHETS SPEECH ARE DIVINE REVELATION--JUST AS KHIDR POINTED OUT--WE OBEY THE RASULULAH NOT MUHAMMED AS ONLY THE HUMAN BEING WHO HAD AN OPINION October 31 at 9:21am Like 1

Lola Parker Mufti Taha Khan.... I don't mean no harm and I don't mean to interject but honestly Just like Allah has no partners Allah's word doesn't have or need partners either in miscellaneous writings of people not mentioned by Allah. I can see your concern being how do Quran alone Muslims follow the tenets of Islam from the Book alone but to assert that we can't without hadiths when we in fact do is ignoring the facts and reason. I read you stating that we shouldn't indulge in what we know not; but how much don't I know about not only the authors of the hadiths but the motivation with so many contradicting ideas running all threw them. I don't think 1% of authentic hadiths so some people think is true constitutes as what I know. October 31 at 9:23am Like 1

Yasrael Medjay again even more clearerhttp://www.hadithcollection.com/sahihmuslim/158Sahih%20Muslim%20Book%2030.%20The%20Excellent%20Qualities%20Of%2 0The%20Holy%20Prophet%20(PBUH)%20And%20His%20Companions/14029sahih-muslim-book-030-hadith-number-5832.html October 31 at 9:24am Like

Yasrael Medjay salamu alaikum October 31 at 9:26am Like 1

Lola Parker Yasrael.... Heres the thing. It's reasonable to think the prophet was asked for his opinion in times when he wasn't quote "receiving revelation". And as a leader it's reasonable that he gave his input in matters based on his own intellect and understanding. But the issue is where's the line between what we are obligated to do and what we aren't. I surmise we are not to follow anyone into sin even if that person is a prophet. October 31 at 9:31am Like 1

Yasrael Medjay last but not least umar ordered hadiths be burned and also before that not to write hadith--he even said to other noble sahabah you fight over hadith--so dont write them--heres some proofs for you--we are not the first to follow quran alone--actually many prominent sahabah followed quran alone--umar said dont past the sayings of the prophet to the next generations or they argue like youhttp://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=umar%20said%20you%20squabbl e%20yourselves%20over%20hadith&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&ved=0CDUQ FjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tolueislam.org%2FParwez%2Fmh%2Fmh_02 .htm&ei=_5SQUKrRN6GyigL-zYCABA&usg=AFQjCNGUDBekiljE3CVVaXqb6pvpvoaXg October 31 at 9:38am Like

Yasrael Medjay im now done as salamu alaikum--salat time October 31 at 9:38am Like

Yasrael Medjay yes lola the salafiyya brothers above said the prophet only spoke revelation--not his opinion so sunnah hadiths are revelation part of natiq of the prophet---okay i really have to ---salamu alaikum October 31 at 9:41am Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan I asked for proof where it says dont follow the prophet if he speaks on anything besides Quran... Please anyone show me this from Quran where Allah sayin that October 31 at 11:43am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan Please don't say umer said to burn the Hadith, because u don't believe in them so don't quote it, and he said because of fear that they may add or subtract from the prophetic sayings.. U didn't quote the contexts as to why umer said that October 31 at 11:45am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan Also don't bring up that it contradicts itself, cuz the Quran does aswell.. Quran says earth was created first then sky in bother place he says opposite ??? October 31 at 11:47am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan So 2 questions... 1: where Allah say don't follow Nabi if he speaks about other them wahi?

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Mufti Taha Khan 2: what did Allah create first the earth or the sky? October 31 at 11:49am via mobile Like

Saeed Talpur 1. When Prophet was alive it was necessary for the believers to follow personal commands beside the revelations of God. But main duty of the messenger was to deliver the Quran. 3:144 And Mohammed is but a messenger, like many messengers who have passed before him. If he dies or is killed will you turn back on your heels? And whoever turns back on his heels, he will not harm God in the least. And God will recompense the thankful. 2. Heavens were already there but they were connected with earth so God separated the heavens from the earth. 21:30 Have those who rejected not seen that the heavens and the earth were one piece, so We split them apart? And that We have made from the water everything that lives. Will they not believe? 43:9 And if you asked them: Who has created the heavens and the earth? They will say: They were created by the One who is the Noble, the Knowledgeable. October 31 at 8:25pm Edited Like

Mufti Taha Khan None of the ayat answer the question... They were one but there different things... Which one of them was first? October 31 at 8:31pm via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan So hard headed!!! October 31 at 8:31pm via mobile Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Also the first question not answered either... U guys keep saying that follow the prophet BUT only in the message, where is this addition in it, I want a clear bayyinah! The ayah u quoted is also taken out of contex and does not prove a single thing... Please research properly then answer

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Mufti Taha Khan I'm marveling ur answer... I asked which one was made first, u quoted the ayah saying Allah created them, are u in ur right mind?! Everyone in this page knows Allah created them, u guys just throw in all the verses that have the word sky or earth in it... October 31 at 8:39pm via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan And talpur ur contradicted urself, u said personal commands were necessary to follow when he was alive, then in his life he said many things to the people who came much after him in a message format, ur gonna need proof for that.. I can show u an ayah where it says the prophets are alive in his grave!!!!!! So ur put of the picture buddy!!! October 31 at 8:43pm via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan Infact that verse about prophet is our proof... Look at the meaning of it October 31 at 8:48pm via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan And if u want I can break it down for u to show u October 31 at 8:49pm via mobile Like

Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan Prophet didn't said to write the his sayings even the hadiths say don't write beside the Quran.

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Saeed Talpur HADITHS PROHIBITING WRITING HADITHS Prophet Muhammad only followed the Quran. Hadiths came 200 years later after the death of the prophet Muhammad. Also prophet prohibited to write any of his sayings (Hadiths) beside the Quran. 1) Imam Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Muslim, al-Darami (the teacher of Bukhari), alTermedhi and Nasaei narrated in their Isnad from Abu-Saeid al-Khodri: The Prophet (P) said: Do not quote me in other than the Quran. So, whoever has written anything from me other than the Quran, shall erase it. 2) Ahmad Ibn Hanbal narrated from Zaid Ibn Thabet: The Messenger of Allah (P) prohibited us from writing anything from him and he erased them. 3) Ahmad Ibn Hanbal narrated from Abu-Horayra: We were sitting writing what we had heard from the Prophet (P), when the Prophet (P) arrived. He asked what we were writing. We said: What we have heard from you. He said: Are you (compiling) a book besides the Book of Allah? We said: (we write) what we hear from you. He said: Write the Book of Allah. Write only the Book of Allah. Are you writing other than the Book of Allah? Write only the Book of Allah. AbuHorayra said: Following the instruction of the Prophet (P) we collected our writings and burnt them in a fire. >>>>>> Amazing Hadith <<<<<<< Prophet said FOR IT WAS JUST A PERSONAL OPINION OF MINE, AND DO NOT GO AFTER MY PERSONAL OPINION Musa b. Talha reported: I and Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) happened to pass by people near the date-palm trees. He (the holy prophet) said: what are these people doing? They said: they are grafting, i. e. they combine the male with the female (tree) and thus they yield more fruit. Thereupon Allah's messenger said: I do not find it to be of any use. The people were informed about it and they abandoned this practice. Allah's Messenger (was later) on informed (that the yield had dwindled), whereupon he said: if there is any use of it, then they should do it, for it was just a personal opinion of mine, and do not go after my personal opinion; but when I say to you anything on behalf of Allah, then do accept it, for I do not attribute lie to Allah, the Exalted and Glorious (Sahih Muslim, Book 030, Number 5830). October 31 at 10:02pm Like

Mufti Taha Khan First answer my 2 questions, then I'll answer this question! October 31 at 11:08pm via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan That's the thing with u people, u guys get cornered then u jump to something else , please stick to the topic. I asked u for proof where it says in the Quran that Allah said don't take from the prophet if he says anything besides the message that to from Quran buddy? And secondly what did Allah create first???????????????????????? October 31 at 11:10pm via mobile Like 3

Mufti Taha Khan I'll answer ur questions when u answer mine ! October 31 at 11:10pm via mobile Like

Rehaan Waseem They won't answer until you force them to and that too will never be direct. It will be a long post of copy and pasted translations but will never give anything unambiguous. Perhaps this post will encourage them to. November 1 at 12:42am via mobile Like 2

Mufti Taha Khan We will wait till they bring that ayah from Quran where Allah clearly says that take from the prophet only the message and nothing else besides the message..... Also the contradiction Allah makes as to what he created first? The earth or the sky? November 1 at 12:51am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan We have answers to all your questions! Don't worry but one at a time please! Just to show u we have answers is that one of u said there are so many versions to one incident like the last sermon of the prophet.... I'm goin to bring to your attention that Allah also has many versions of different stories for example moosa and pharoas story, also Adam and shaitaans story and many more, and we have answers for all this what I said aswell, but I need them from u!!! November 1 at 12:55am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan So please answer my questions appropriately....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! November 1 at 12:56am via mobile Like 1

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan, I believe we have been fair answering all of your inquiries yet you have not even answered mines yet I have a big problem with that how you and Rehaan Waseem like to EVADE questions. Why can't the both of you come together to answer my FOUR POINTS? November 1 at 2:56am Like 1

Rehaan Waseem ^subhanallah...the way they run and hide. He tried the same thing with me. Answer the questions if you can. This is exactly what I predicted would happen. You are stuck in a quagmire and have no way out. If you can answer, then answer. If you can't, then tell us that you can't November 1 at 3:03am via mobile Like 1

Khidr Amari Rehaan Waseem I have slaughtered you time and time again actually I fine it comical that you run and hide from my questions. November 1 at 3:25am Like

Khidr Amari lol I'm glad you flatter yourself any one who will truly read your discourse will see clearly that you have nothing more CONJECTURE with no EVIDENCE. November 1 at 3:26am Like

Rehaan Waseem Mufti Taha Khan asked two questions. Answer them November 1 at 3:27am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan Khidr ... That question u asked with 4 points about where does it say we have to follow the prophet..... I answered that by saying where Allah says to follow him and the prophet! U then said that ayah is saying follow him in the message from Allah and nothing else... Now I'm saying that that's incorrect and I asked for proof from Quran where Allah says that! November 1 at 3:44am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan Basically u asked a question and I answered from Quran.. U had a problem with my answer and said that's regarding the message of Allah only... Till now ur statement is mere claim .. Then the way u asked for proof for my claim the same way now I'm askin u for proof from Quran that supports ur claim November 1 at 3:46am via mobile Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan So now please answer my first question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! November 1 at 3:46am via mobile Like 2

Mufti Taha Khan My question about the earth and the sky was because u were from the beginning dodging my question and would ask diff questions... Cuz u said the Hadith contradicts itself.. So I gave evidence from Quran that the Quran clearly contradicts itself November 1 at 3:49am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan Please don't say now I didn't answer ur question... Ur only gonna make a fool out of urself! November 1 at 3:50am via mobile Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Again answer my 2 questions now please!!! November 1 at 3:50am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan Ur like a hyena that runs when it sees a lion and screams victory from far.... No running... Answer now!! November 1 at 3:55am via mobile Like 2

Rehaan Waseem He won't be able to...I guarantee it November 1 at 4:01am via mobile Like 1

Anees Ayaz You brothers are wasting your time.... now i know why Muslims are not leading others in the world....the most important is unity...we are Muslim Ummah...Unity Comes First November 1 at 4:02am Like

Mufti Taha Khan Allah gave me some respect, that is why u see a man on the pulpit by my name and Allah degraded u that's why we see a man covering his face out of shame next to ur name November 1 at 4:03am via mobile Like 2

Mufti Taha Khan @anees : no room for thaw people, other people attack from outside, these people attack inside!!!!! Do you want your children growing up not believing in Hadith?? Tomorrow these people won't even believe in the Quran!!!! November 1 at 4:07am via mobile Like

Anees Ayaz Yes I believe Brother....That comment was for that brother... November 1 at 4:08am Like 2

Anees Ayaz not for you Brother... I think that brother is among the Munkar-eHadees

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Anees Ayaz May Allah give him hadaya in this regard November 1 at 4:10am Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Again oh Hadith rejectors! Answer my 2 questions! November 1 at 4:10am via mobile Like

Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan Here are your answers. 1: where Allah say don't follow Nabi if he speaks about other then wahi? Answer: Allah didnt say follow Nabi if he speak other then Wahi but Allah said this 4:64 We do not send a messenger except to be obeyed with the permission of God So believers must obey the messenger according to the laws of God. 2: what did Allah create first the earth or the sky? Answer: Heavens were already there but they were connected with earth so God separated the heavens from the earth. 21:30 Have those who rejected not seen that the heavens and the earth were one piece, so We split them apart? And that We have made from the water everything that lives. Will they not believe? 43:9 And if you asked them: Who has created the heavens and the earth? They will say: They were created by the One who is the Noble, the Knowledgeable. November 1 at 4:11am Like

Anees Ayaz Mufti Taha Khan..... I think they dont know the literal meaning oh Hadith...I studied the importance of Hadith back in Pakistan November 1 at 4:13am Like 2

Saeed Talpur We believe only the Hadith of Allah which is the Quran. We don't believe man made hadith invented by the allies of Satan to devalue the Quran. November 1 at 4:15am Like

Mufti Taha Khan They don't know anything.. Bringing up all that will only confuse them more November 1 at 4:15am via mobile Like

Anees Ayaz Ghamidi is famous hadith rejector...... and Geo Network is supporting him...Oksam billah....almost everyone hates him there November 1 at 4:16am Like

Khidr Amari The COPT OUT!!!! Ask a question with a question: Mufti Taha Khan said, Khidr ... That question u asked with 4 points about where does it say we have to follow the prophet..... I answered that by saying where Allah says to follow him and the prophet! U then said that ayah is saying follow him in the message from Allah and nothing else... Now I'm saying that that's incorrect and I asked for proof from Quran where Allah says that!

Again, Mufti, you have proven CLEARLY you can't answer the question because there is no where in Qur'an that says to follow the Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger). November 1 at 4:16am Like 1

Saeed Talpur 7:16 He said: "For that which You have caused me to be misled, I will stalk for them on Your straight path." Try to find the straight Path. Allah will guide you. Insha Allah November 1 at 4:18am Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Talpuri: that ayah is in our favor, Allah said that he is to be obeyed by the permission of god! Telling us that he is not just saying things and that Allah appointed him that we may obey him!!! November 1 at 4:18am via mobile Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Subhanallah how stupid are u... Talpuri dosent know why he is here also... Scroll up and u will see that first he said that whatever the prophet said is to be followed aslong as he is living!!!!! Now he is saying that besides the message u must not follow..... November 1 at 4:20am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan Make up ur mind idiot!!!! November 1 at 4:20am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan I provided you with a CLEAR AYAT validating/confirming Millata Ibrahim mentioned by our Lord by NAME you can't do the same for our Prophet Muhammad.... you clearly admitted it why is this impossible for you to do because the Prophet Muhammad also followed the Millata Ibrahim he didn't come with a Sunnah of his own. The Prophet Muhammad makes it very clear that he DO NOT POSSESS for them any HARM OR THE RIGHT PATH: Key operative: ==> Say: Indeed, I do not possess for you any harm and not right path. "And when Allahs servant stood up yadhu (calling upon Him) (Allah), kd (they almost) yaknna (became) alayhi (around him) libadan (a compacted mass/crowded) around him. Say: Indeed, I do not possess for you any harm and not right path. (72:19-20) November 1 at 4:23am Edited Like 1

Saeed Talpur Monkey Hadith followers. I don't think Allah will remove their veils if they keep ignoring the fact that Quran is complete. November 1 at 4:21am Edited Like

Mufti Taha Khan Second question is just as stupid as the first... I asked what was created first??? He answered by saying they were together and Allah seperated them!!!!! Stupid when they were together did they just appear out if nowhere??? Which one was created first stupid??????????????? November 1 at 4:22am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari So now we are called idiots and stupids and not the name calling begins I love it it only begins when they know they have been DEFEATED November 1 at 4:22am Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Again show me where Allah says anywhere in the Quran that don't follow the prophet if he speaks about anything besides the message and outside being a messenger to the message???????? November 1 at 4:23am via mobile Like

Saeed Talpur These etiquettes comes from the Hadiths I guess. November 1 at 4:24am Like

Mufti Taha Khan Also which one out of the 2 did Allah create first? November 1 at 4:24am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan Allah NEVER says to follow the Prophet. November 1 at 4:24am Like 1

Khidr Amari Allah always says follow the Messenger just like Allah never corrects Muhammad as the Messenger but Allah always corrects him as the Prophet, know the difference. November 1 at 4:25am Like 1

Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan Both Heavens and earth were together. November 1 at 4:25am Edited Like

Mufti Taha Khan U also twisted the meaning of Quran.... That the ayah means with the laws if Allah??? Wallah Tell me where it says the laws of Allah? November 1 at 4:26am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Give up bro Mufti Taha Khan....admit that you don't have the Bayyinat Clear Evidence telling you to follow the Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger). November 1 at 4:29am Like 1

Saeed Talpur Allah's laws are in the Quran. November 1 at 4:29am Like

Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan Read the Quran carefully. 31:6 And from the people, there are those who accept BASELESS HADITH to mislead from the path of God without knowledge, and they take it as entertainment. These will have a humiliating retribution. 6:112 And as such, We have permitted the enemies of every prophet mankind and Jinn devils to INSPIRE EACH OTHER WITH FANCY WORDS IN ORDER TO DECEIVE. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall

disregard them and their fabrications. 68:36 What is wrong with you, how do you judge? 68:37 Or DO YOU HAVE A BOOK WHICH YOU STUDY? 68:38 In it, you can find what you wish? 2:79 So WOE TO THOSE WHO WRITE THE BOOK WITH THEIR HANDS then say: This is from God, so that they can purchase with it a cheap price! Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they gained. 45:6 These are the revelations of God, We recite them to you with the truth. So, in which HADITH after God and His revelations do they believe? 52:34 Let them produce a HADITH like this, if they are truthful. 53:59 Are you surprised by this HADITH? 56:81 Are you disregarding this HADITH? 77:50 So in what HADITH, after it, will they believe? 17:36 And do not uphold what you have no knowledge of. For the hearing, eyesight, and heart, all these you are responsible for. November 1 at 4:31am Like

Anees Ayaz Saeed Talpur....Brother.....Allah says in the Holy Quran that Firmly Hold The Rope Of Quran And Sunnah...but you are rejecting the hadith's....How comes you are saying "Saeed Talpur We believe only the Hadith of Allah which is the Quran. We don't believe man made hadith invented by the allies of Satan to devalue the Quran"'...by saying this it also means that you monkey hadith rejectors don't even believe in the Companions of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H...aSTAGHFIRULLAH......YOU ARE CALLING THEM SATAANS...may Allah give you hadaya November 1 at 4:32am Like

Mufti Taha Khan Stupid the prophet didn't have a robe that when he puts it on he is a prophet and when it's off he is not... November 1 at 4:32am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan Look at this idiot! Ally's laws are in Quran.. When did we say no... I said does not mean laws of Allah... It means permission! November 1 at 4:34am via mobile Like

Saeed Talpur Anees Ayaz Where //Allah said in the Holy Quran that Firmly Hold The Rope Of Quran And Sunnah//? Where is the Sunnah mentioned there? November 1 at 4:35am Like

Mufti Taha Khan Again khidr .... U still didn't give proof where u make that addition in the Quran... If u have proof plase provide it November 1 at 4:35am via mobile Like

Anees Ayaz Mufti Taha Khan...Brother....saeed talpur is calling the companions of Mohammad P.B.U.H... the satans...laholey walla quwata November 1 at 4:35am Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Proof please or go home!!! November 1 at 4:35am via mobile Like

Rehaan Waseem Did I just see that the fool said both heavens and the earth were created together? November 1 at 4:35am via mobile Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Also talpuri : my son! We know all was together but were both different things! What I asked was that which one was created first... Lemme make it easier.. In Surah naziaat when Allah says he then created the earth... What did he create first that he saying and then we created the earth November 1 at 4:38am via mobile Like 1

Anees Ayaz I also heard the jack ghamidi saying on TV that beard in not the sunnah of Mohammad P.B.U.H cuz it is not mentioned in Quran...and also pardaah is not an order from Allah to the Muslims...just for the wives of Mohammad P.B.U.H November 1 at 4:38am Like

Saeed Talpur Bukhari from Bukhara was enemy of the Prophet Muhammad. Bukhari invented the Hadiths and attributed to the Prophet just like Paul misguided the Christians. November 1 at 4:38am Like

Mufti Taha Khan Again u asked a question... I answered by saying that the prophet has to be obeyed in everything and I showed u the verse !

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Anees Ayaz Ghamidi is misleading people in Pakistan...but people dont believe on him....i feel pity on saeed and khidr ahhahahahahah.....may Allah give you hadaya Ameen November 1 at 4:39am Like

Mufti Taha Khan U said that its referring to speech of Nabi giving the message of Allah meaning Quran and nothing besides that.... Alls I'm saying is that I didn't find that verse in the quran November 1 at 4:40am via mobile Like

Anees Ayaz Look now saeed is saying that Imam Bukhari is like Satan....Astaghfirullah November 1 at 4:40am Like 2

Mufti Taha Khan The proof I gave was: November 1 at 4:41am via mobile Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Your addition: ) ( November 1 at 4:43am via mobile Like 2

Mufti Taha Khan Where's the bayyinah that supports ur claim!!!!!! November 1 at 4:43am via mobile Like

Anees Ayaz Saeed Talpur Brother......it is in the Quran...I think you never read the whole Quran...just the versus only which you want to use to mislead the people hahahahahahahha...oh saeed! i think you should join qadianism hahahahah they are the same who say that Hadiths are worth nothinG astaghfirullah November 1 at 4:44am Like 1

Khidr Amari Anees Ayaz said, Saeed Talpur....Brother.....Allah says in the Holy Quran that Firmly Hold The Rope Of Quran And Sunnah...but you are rejecting the hadith's....How comes you are saying "Saeed Talpur We believe only the Hadith of Allah which is the Quran. We don't believe man made hadith invented by the allies of Satan to devalue the Quran"'...by saying this it also means that you monkey hadith rejectors don't even believe in the Companions of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H...aSTAGHFIRULLAH......YOU ARE CALLING THEM SATAANS...may Allah give you hadaya" @Anees, PLZ show me where it says SUNNAH November 1 at 4:44am Like 1

Saeed Talpur November 1 at 4:45am Like

Saeed Talpur Do you follow the Hadiths of Ulil Amr too? November 1 at 4:45am Like

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan again and again and again I have provided you with Bayyinat CLEAR EVIDENCE what have you provided to defend your Hadith/Sunnah Doctrine? November 1 at 4:45am Like 1

Anees Ayaz Mufti Taha Khan....Love you for the proof of ayat from Quran regarding hold firmly the rope of Quran and Sunnah.....i think saeed is hasn't had read the whole quran...just the versus which Ghamdi is spread...well i think Ghamidi even havent had read the whole Quran lolzz hahahah November 1 at 4:46am Like 2

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan where does Allah say the Prophet has to be obeyed? November 1 at 4:46am Like 1

Khidr Amari I can show you where Allah says the MESSENGER HAS TO BE OBEYED... November 1 at 4:46am Like 1

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan I showed you where Allah says Millata Ibrahim can you do the same and show me where Allah says Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) November 1 at 4:47am Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Lets not go off everyone!!!! November 1 at 4:48am via mobile Like

Saeed Talpur Anees Ayaz You told a lie against Allah//You said Allah said in the Holy Quran that Firmly Hold The Rope Of Quran And Sunnah//. November 1 at 4:48am Like

Mufti Taha Khan Let them try answering my question first.. All what u saying comes later cuz that's in Hadith which they don't believe in November 1 at 4:48am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan That's why I'm using the Quran against them and they can't give us one single verse where Allah says the don't follow the prophet in his speech... We said Allah said and follow the prophet! He said that not his own speech and I simply asked proof for this addition!!! November 1 at 4:50am via mobile Like

Anees Ayaz Saeed Talpur..."""Anees Ayaz You told a lie against Allah//You said Allah said in the Holy Quran that Firmly Hold The Rope Of Quran And Sunnah"""""...first read the whole Quran then jump in this platform November 1 at 4:51am Like 1

Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan We believe only Hadith of Allah not Hadith by Bukhari and his company. November 1 at 4:51am Like

Mufti Taha Khan Anees just hold off for abit... Ur giving him a chance to run from my question.... Talpuri and ur boss khidr!!! Here here answer my questions please November 1 at 4:52am via mobile Like 1

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan Allah never tells us to follow the Prophet's speech because he made mistakes, he at times didn't do what Allah asked of him. November 1 at 4:53am Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Again where the addition ur talking about in quran November 1 at 4:53am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan Saying that follow him in the message and not his speech

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Khidr Amari This is common sense as the Prophet he is human and has human speech prone to human ERROR. As the Messenger he's a agent, representative of Allah, speaking for Allah which means if he speaks for Allah known as Wahi we are to obey him because its obeying Allah. November 1 at 4:54am Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan One at a time so earth and sky will be asked if u can answer this November 1 at 4:54am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan Talpuri and the big hyena! Please tell me where the addition is? November 1 at 4:55am via mobile Like 1

Saeed Talpur Errors Made by Prophet Muhammad in The Quran Error No 1 8:67 And it was not for any prophet to take prisoners until he is bound by a campaign. You desire the materials of this world, while God wants the Hereafter for you. God is Noble, Wise. 8:68 Had it not been previously ordained from God, then a severe punishment would have afflicted you for what you took. Error No 2 9:43 God pardons you; why did you give them leave before it became clear to you

who are truthful, and who are lying? Error No 3 33:37 And you said to the one who was blessed by God, and blessed by you: Keep your wife and reverence God, and you hid inside yourself what God wished to proclaim. And you were concerned with the people, while God was more deserving that you be concerned with. So when Zayd ended his relationship with his wife, We had you marry her, to establish that there is no wrongdoing for the believers in marrying the wives of their adopted sons if their relationship is ended. And the command of God is always done. Error No 4 66:1 O you prophet, why do you make unlawful what God has made lawful for you, seeking to please your wives? God is Forgiver, Merciful. Error No 5 80:1 He frowned and turned away. 80:2 When the blind one came to him. Error No 6 9:113 It is not for the prophet and those who believe that they should seek forgiveness for the polytheists, even if they are relatives, after it has been made clear to them that they are the dwellers of Hell. November 1 at 4:55am Like

Saeed Talpur In the Quran, there are a NUMBER of verses that tell us that the Messengers did commit mistakes or were ABOUT to make mistakes e.g. 1- Moosa killed a person, 20:40, 28:19, 2- Yunus abandoned his mission, 68:48-49, 37:139-144. 3- Yusuf had almost committed adultery, 12:23-24. 4- Sulaiman missed his prayer while being busy with his horses, 38:30-33 5- Nuh (Noah) cried out for his son and almost protested, 11:45-47.

6- Ibrahim prayed for his rebellious father, 9:114. 7- Mohammad frowned at the blind man, 80:1-2 8- Mohammad came VERY close to yielding the pressure of people around him and was about to decide a case as per the wishes of people. 17:73-75. 9- Mohammad longed too much for a miracle. 6:34-35 10- Mohammad felt too much distressed for the relatives whom he could see were heading for hell, and failed to guide them. 16:37, 28:56. 11- Mohammad, asked his verbal son, NOT to divorce his wife, as he was already told that God wanted him to marry the divorcee of his verbal son. And he did not want November 1 at 4:56am Like

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan this is what the human Prophet told his people: "And when Allahs servant stood up yadhu (calling upon Him) (Allah), kd (they almost) yaknna (became) alayhi (around him) libadan (a compacted mass/crowded) around him. Say: Indeed, I do not possess for you any harm and not right path. (72:19-20) ==> I do not possess for you any harm and not right path. <== What does this mean to you Mufti? November 1 at 4:56am Like 2

Anees Ayaz saeed talpur...answers the questions of brother mufti taha...read the holy quran then say any thing November 1 at 4:57am Like

Khidr Amari Anees Ayaz plz answer my question November 1 at 4:57am Like 1

Saeed Talpur Who authorized Bukhari and co to write the Ahadith books? What utensils were used to authorize a Hadith, quote or factual information to be true? Who judged and approved a hadith to be true? How did he judge and approve the hadith to be true? What physical evidences were provided to the judges? How did they collect their work? How did they differentiate between true and false Hadith? What standards were sat in order to approve true hadith (from false hadith?) Whats the Percentage of doubt? How many eye witnesses were used? Why didnt the prophet himself write anything? Why didnt his companions or family write anything? How many documents or books were found from the prophets life? What did they use as proofs/evidence for every claim? Can you find one verse from the Quran confirming and verifying the information in hadith? November 1 at 4:58am Edited Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Good job khidr!! So u agree that we have to follow the prophet in everything????

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Khidr Amari Repost: Mufti Taha Khan this is what the human Prophet told his people: "And when Allahs servant stood up yadhu (calling upon Him) (Allah), kd (they almost) yaknna (became) alayhi (around him) libadan (a compacted mass/crowded) around him. Say: Indeed, I do not possess for you any harm and not right path. (72:19-20) ==> I do not possess for you any harm and not right path. <== What does this mean to you Mufti? November 1 at 4:59am Like 2

Khidr Amari If the human Prophet saying he don't have the right path how do you follow a human Prophet in his personal speech and his personal life when Allah never tells us to do so? November 1 at 5:00am Like 1

Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan Do you believe the Miracles mentioned in the Hadiths after reading this verse? 6:35 And if their aversion has become too much for you, then perhaps you could make a tunnel in the earth, or a ladder to the heavens, and bring them a sign. Had God willed, He would have gathered them to the guidance; so do not be of the ignorant ones. November 1 at 5:03am Like

Mufti Taha Khan Don't ask me until u show me a clear bayyinah with the addition!!! Secondly the word is and he is twisting its meaning... He saying that I don't have the power to mislead anyone or to give them hidayah... November 1 at 5:03am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan So please proof if addition first then other things will be discussed November 1 at 5:03am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Hidaya means GUIDANCE November 1 at 5:05am Like 1

Khidr Amari Come on Mufti Taha Khan you rejecting the ayats of Allah. November 1 at 5:05am Like 1

Anees Ayaz Khidr Amari...what question did you asked....saeed is quite now...it seems like he just started to read the whole Quran now November 1 at 5:06am Like

Khidr Amari Bascially the Prophet Muhammad is literally saying he can't GUIDE any one when he was ALIVE so how can a Sunnah or his speech 1,400 years LATER guide any one? November 1 at 5:06am Like 1

Khidr Amari Anees Ayaz said, Saeed Talpur....Brother.....Allah says in the Holy Quran that Firmly Hold The Rope Of Quran And Sunnah...but you are rejecting the hadith's....How comes you are saying "Saeed Talpur We believe only the Hadith of Allah which is the Quran. We don't believe man made hadith invented by the allies of Satan to devalue the Quran"'...by saying this it also means that you monkey hadith rejectors don't even believe in the Companions of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H...aSTAGHFIRULLAH......YOU ARE CALLING THEM SATAANS...may Allah give you hadaya" @Anees, PLZ show me where it says SUNNAH November 1 at 5:07am Like 1

Saeed Talpur 28:56 You cannot guide whom you love. But it is God who guides whom He wills; and He is fully aware of those who receive the guidance. November 1 at 5:08am Like

Mufti Taha Khan Khidr buddy! The ayah is simply saying that I don't have the power to misguide or give hidayah... How on earth is that proving ur point.. Please I wanna know November 1 at 5:08am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan Even we say prophet dosent have power to guide anyone, his job is to be a role model for us as Allah says and that we obey him, as for guiding and all that's in the hands of Allah... November 1 at 5:10am via mobile Like

Saeed Talpur 93:7 And He found you lost, and He guided you? November 1 at 5:10am Like

Saeed Talpur 28:56 You cannot guide whom you love. But it is God who guides whom He wills; and He is fully aware of those who receive the guidance. November 1 at 5:10am Like

Mufti Taha Khan Not only are u rejecting the ayaat if Allah where he said follow prophet, u are also putting words in Allan's mouth by adding things he didn't say November 1 at 5:11am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan Again khidr and talpuri.... Answer and don't run!!! November 1 at 5:11am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan Show me addition in the quran November 1 at 5:11am via mobile Like

Anees Ayaz khidr and saeed..answer the questions of mufti sahib first November 1 at 5:12am Like

Saeed Talpur Anees Ayaz Tell mufti sahib to read the Quran carefully. November 1 at 5:13am Like

Saeed Talpur 7:188 Say: I have no power over any good or harm to myself except as God wills. If I had knowledge of the unseen, I should have multiplied all good, and no evil should have touched me: I am but a warner, and a bringer of glad tidings to those who have faith. 11:31 I tell you not that with me are the treasures of God, nor do I know what is hidden, nor claim I to be an angel. Nor yet do I say, of those whom your eyes do despise that God will not grant them (all) that is good: God knows best what is in their souls: I should, if I did, indeed be a wrong-doer. 10:49 Say: I have no power over any harm or profit to myself except as God wills. To every people is a term appointed: when their term is reached, not an hour can they cause delay, nor (an hour) can they advance (it in anticipation). 72:25 Say: I know not whether the (Punishment) which ye are promised is near, or whether my Lord will appoint for it a distant term November 1 at 5:16am Like

Saeed Talpur Prophet only followed the Quran. Hadiths are satanic innovation in Islam. November 1 at 5:18am Like

Anees Ayaz @Saeed talpur.....Mufti Taha Brother had already read the Holy Quran carefully...but you and khidr need to read it attentively November 1 at 5:18am Like

Saeed Talpur QURAN WITH EVERY EXAMPLE 25:33 For every EXAMPLE (mathalin) they come to you with, We bring you the TRUTH (bil-Haqi) and the best (wa-a.sana) explanation (tafsiran). 30:58 We have cited for the people in this Quran of every example. If you come to them with a sign, those who rejected will say, You are bringing falsehood! 39:27 We have cited for the people in this Quran from every example, that they may take heed. November 1 at 5:21am Like

Khidr Amari Anees Ayaz Mufti Taha Khan haven't been answering my questions I have answered his now you answer mines November 1 at 5:22am Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Khidr and talpuri !! Lets answer ur questions again cuz what both if you are verses that have no connection with our topic.... What is your question my friend!

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Saeed Talpur Anees Ayaz May be your Mufti red the Quran in childhood so tell him to read it with open mind and seek guidance from God with genuine heart. Also he must accept the Quran is complete. November 1 at 5:26am Edited Like

Mufti Taha Khan Everyone look at the question and watch my answer November 1 at 5:26am via mobile Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Then he gonna say not prophets speech.. I'm goin to say proof please... He gonna say u didn't answer my question November 1 at 5:26am via mobile Like 1

Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan I answered your questions now you answer mine. Who authorized Bukhari and co to write the Ahadith books? What utensils were used to authorize a Hadith, quote or factual information to be true? Who judged and approved a hadith to be true? How did he judge and approve the hadith to be true? What physical evidences were provided to the judges? How did they collect their work?

How did they differentiate between true and false Hadith? What standards were sat in order to approve true hadith (from false hadith?) Whats the Percentage of doubt? How many eye witnesses were used? Why didnt the prophet himself write anything? Why didnt his companions or family write anything? How many documents or books were found from the prophets life? What did they use as proofs/evidence for every claim? Can you find one verse from the Quran confirming and verifying the information in hadith? November 1 at 5:28am Edited Like

Anees Ayaz Saeed Talpur...may be you are in your childhood now or your mind is like a child November 1 at 5:28am Like

Mufti Taha Khan Talpuri talking about Quran has every example!!!! Are we talking about examples yet!!! Nope... First the addition in quran November 1 at 5:28am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan Requoting khidr : he said its common scence !!! Bro according to u a proof is Quran only so don't say common scence please November 1 at 5:29am via mobile Like

Saeed Talpur Please answer my questions don't try to run away like chicken! Who authorized Bukhari and co to write the Ahadith books? What utensils were used to authorize a Hadith, quote or factual information to be true? Who judged and approved a hadith to be true? How did he judge and approve the hadith to be true? What physical evidences were provided to the judges? How did they collect their work? How did they differentiate between true and false Hadith? What standards were sat in order to approve true hadith (from false hadith?) Whats the Percentage of doubt? How many eye witnesses were used? Why didnt the prophet himself write anything? Why didnt his companions or family write anything? How many documents or books were found from the prophets life? What did they use as proofs/evidence for every claim? Can you find one verse from the Quran confirming and verifying the information in hadith? November 1 at 5:31am Like

Khidr Amari Let me expose Mufti Taha Khan the Imam, you said, Khidr buddy! The ayah is simply saying that I don't have the power to misguide or give hidayah... How on earth is that proving ur point.. Please I wanna know

@Mufti, what is ==> hidayah <==? Allah makes it clear that its not upon the Prophet Muhammad to guide any one basically the Prophet Muhammad COULD NOT GUIDE whom he desired to guide. If this is the case then how could the Prophet' so called 'Sunnah' guide any one? "Not upon you hudhum (is their guidance), but Allah yahd (guides) whom He wills. And whatever you spend in good, it is for yourselves, when you spend not except seeking Allah's Countenance. And whatever you spend in good, it will be repaid to you in full, and you shall not be wronged." 2/272 In another Surah/ayat again we are told: "Indeed, you do not guide whom ababta (you love), but Allah yahd (guides) whom He wills. And He is most knowing bil-muh'tadna (of the rightly guided)." 28/56 How can the Sunnah of Muhammad be the best of the guidance when Allah clearly says that the Prophet Muhammad cannot guide. The Qur'an says that Allah's GUIDANCE is the GUIDANCE OF ALLAH. "Say: "And never will the Jews or the Christians approve of you until you follow their millatahum (creed). Say, "Indeed, hud (THE GUIDANCE) of Allah it hud (IS THE GUIDANCE)." If you were to follow their desires after what has come to you of knowledge, you would have against Allah no protector or helper." 2/120 "And do not trust except those who follow your dnakum (way of conduct)." Say, "Indeed, hud (THE TRUE GUIDANCE) hud (IS THE GUIDANCE) of Allah. lest someone be given [knowledge] like you were given or that they would [thereby] argue with you before your Lord?" Say, "Indeed, [all] bounty is in the hand of Allah - He grants it to whom He wills. And Allah is all-Encompassing and Wise." 3/73 "Say, "Shall we invoke instead of Allah that which neither benefits us nor harms us and be turned back on our heels after Allah has guided us? [We would then be] like one whom the devils enticed [to wander] upon the earth confused, [while] he has companions inviting him to guidance, [calling], 'Come to us.' " Say, "Indeed, hud (THE GUIDANCE) of Allah it hud (IS THE GUIDANCE); and we have been commanded to submit to the Lord of the worlds." 6/71 Allah tells us clearly that the Qur'an is the Best Hadith: "Allah has sent down the ahsana (best) adthi: a consistent Book wherein is reiteration. The skins shiver therefrom of those who fear their Lord; then their skins and their hearts relax at the remembrance of Allah . THAT IS THE

GUIDANCE OF ALLAH of Allah by which He guides whom He wills. And one whom Allah leaves astray - for him there is no guide." 39/23 "And when Allahs servant stood up yadhu (calling upon Him) (Allah), kd (they almost) yaknna (became) alayhi (around him) libadan (a compacted mass/crowded) around him. Say: Indeed, I do not possess for you any harm and not rashadan (right path). (72:19-20) Allah doesn't even use the Arabic word ==> hidayah <== Allah uses ==> rashadan <== The same word ==> rashadan <== the Prophet Muhammad said he do not have is used in Surah 2/256: " There shall be no compulsion in the system. -rush'du (The right course) has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing." 2/256 again used in: "[Mention] when the youths retreated to the cave and said, "Our Lord, grant us from Yourself mercy and prepare for us from our affair rashadan (right guidance)." 18/10 "And We had certainly given Abraham his rush'dahu (right guidance) before, and We were of him well-Knowing" 21/51 So back again to our Prophet Muhammad he said, ""And when Allahs servant stood up yadhu (calling upon Him) (Allah), kd (they almost) yaknna (became) alayhi (around him) libadan (a compacted mass/crowded) around him. Say: Indeed, I do not possess for you any harm and not rashadan (right path)." 72:19-20 Clear and simple he is saying he does not have the ability to GUIDE ANY ONE only Allah guides: "Not upon you hudhum (is their guidance), but Allah yahd (guides) whom He wills. And whatever you spend in good, it is for yourselves, when you spend not except seeking Allah's Countenance. And whatever you spend in good, it will be repaid to you in full, and you shall not be wronged." 2/272\ November 1 at 5:33am Like

Mufti Taha Khan Talpuri jumping around again as was taught to him by khidr... When u get stuck ask him a diff question ... Is there a bug up ur butt that's forcing u to hop around? November 1 at 5:34am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan Answer my question please and I swear we will answer ur questions... It's only gonna get worse after wallah November 1 at 5:35am via mobile Like

Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan bro Give up now your lies are exposed now. So please read the Quran carefully. November 1 at 5:40am Edited Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Just a taste.... His whole point is how are Hadith reliable... He said were there any eye witnesses and stuff.. To begin with yes there were, and if you still don't accept it's authenticity then my question to u is how u know ur father is ur father????? U didn't see him having sex with ur mom?? This is when u don't have trust in normal people... How u know there Exists a wall called china wall? I've never witnessed it!!!! In life trusting people to some extent is a must November 1 at 5:39am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan Again now back to the question khidr !!! Where's the ayah saying what ur saying about not accepting the prophets speech... And don't say common scence again cuz according to u proof is only from quran November 1 at 5:40am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan Talpur to u too again no hopping around bunny November 1 at 5:40am via mobile Like

Uzair Rauf so allah doesnt tell us to obey the messenger because that would be the only way to obey the message (quran) since he was sent to REVEAL the message? he ordered us to obey the messenger because he wants us to go directly against the quran by taking the prophet as partners with allah and commit shirk? ok.. do you know where I can find the commands of the prophet then, because in the quran, allah does not seem to authorize any other scriptures.. im confused. why is Allah so irresponsible? November 1 at 5:42am via mobile Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Please answer people November 1 at 5:51am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan to tip it OFF and break the SCALE of your Batil/Falsehood that the Prophet Muhammad can GUIDE: Allah says, "So when we heard alhuda (THE GUIDANCE) we believed in it; and he who believes in his Lord will neither fear loss nor force." 72/13

"So, as for those who believed in Allah and held fast to Him, He will admit them to His Mercy and Grace (i.e. Paradise), and guide them to Himself by the iran (path) mus'taqman (straight)." 4/175 "And also some of their fathers and their progeny and their brethren, We chose them, and We guided them to the irin (path) mus'taqmin (straight) dhlika (That) hud (is the Guidance) of Allah." 6/87 So we have it as clear as day Allah GUIDES and no one else even the Prophet Muhammad could not guide a single soul. "And upon Allah qadu (is the responsibility) sabli (of the way)..." 16/9 November 1 at 5:56am Like 1

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan is DEFEATED he can't validate following Nataqun-Nabi (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger). I have proven without a doubt that the Prophet Muhammad COULD NOT GUIDE a single soul not alone his Sunnah that doesn't exist and I have proven that it is Allah ALONE and His Best Hadith that was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad that GUIDES. November 1 at 5:59am Edited Like 1

Saeed Talpur LOL Mufti Taha Khan You should read the Quran from the start now. November 1 at 5:59am Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Khidr son... Show me where I said that the prophet has power to guide... Please my son show me where I said that... Obvi. If u can add words that Allah didn't say then where do I stand... But Allah has prepared hell for you there and I'll make hell here... So where did I say the prophet has power to guide

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Mufti Taha Khan Another attempt to take the spotlight off my question November 1 at 6:02am via mobile Like 2

Rehaan Waseem It's so cute how desperately these fools try to give themselves the illusion of victory November 1 at 6:02am via mobile Like 2

Mufti Taha Khan I'm not the one that's not answering buddy November 1 at 6:02am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan you said the Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) guides correct? November 1 at 6:03am Edited Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan When I bite... I don't let go till ur finished... U trying to run away is not gonna help November 1 at 6:03am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari If you deny that the Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) does not guide then you and I agree. November 1 at 6:03am Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Didn't I say just answer the question... Then why jump to other things? November 1 at 6:04am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari lol I don't need help Mufti Taha Khan I have Qur'an what do you have? I have answered your questions what have you presented any one who read these comments between you, Rehaan Waseem and other Sunnis will be ashamed. November 1 at 6:04am Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Now tell me why u running from my wuestion November 1 at 6:05am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari You have no answers but love to ask the questions Sunni character indeed. November 1 at 6:05am Like 1

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan does the Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) guide yes or no

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Rehaan Waseem You didn't answer anything khidr you ducked and dodged all the questions November 1 at 6:06am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan Question* November 1 at 6:06am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan ok I have answered your questions why haven't you answered mines. Let us make this simple what is your question Mufti after I answer your you answer mines November 1 at 6:07am Like

Khidr Amari I will let people see how you don't like to answer questions....what was your QUESTION? November 1 at 6:08am Like

Khidr Amari I have the truth not afraid to answer questions according to the Qur'an. November 1 at 6:09am Like

Saeed Talpur Rehaan Waseem Can you answer these simple questions? Mufti Taha Khan is trying to avoid my questions for some reason may be you have good knowledge about the Hadiths. Who authorized Bokhari and co to write the Ahadith books? What utensils were used to authorize a Hadith, quote or factual information to be true? Who judged and approved a hadith to be true? How did he judge and approve the hadith to be true? What physical evidences were provided to the judges? How did they collect their work? How did they differentiate between true and false Hadith? What standards were sat in order to approve true hadith (from false hadith?) Whats the Percentage of doubt? How many eye witnesses were used? Why didnt the prophet himself write anything? Why didnt his companions or family write anything? How many documents or books were found from the prophets life? What did they use as proofs/evidence for every claim? Can you find one verse from the Quran confirming and verifying the information in hadith? November 1 at 6:11am Edited Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Let me answer ur question this way... If we are told by ALLAH to follow him and his prophet then yes, if no (which u still have to prove) then no... November 1 at 6:12am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan we are told to follow Allah's Messenger November 1 at 6:14am Like 1

Rehaan Waseem Stop jumping around Saeed. Everything will be answered STEP BY STEP. Don't try to divert the attention away from tthe subject November 1 at 6:14am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Where does the Qur'an say follow the Prophet November 1 at 6:14am Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Talpur cracked his little joke... He got his butt handed to him so he had to say something... He said it like he just finished the Quran right now.... Lol November 1 at 6:15am via mobile Like 2

Mufti Taha Khan Again khidr... Answer my initial question.... Where is ur proof that his speech is not to be followed in quran

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Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan I think you have wasted your life reading the fake hadiths. I believe you still have time to understand the Quran. November 1 at 6:19am Edited Like

Mufti Taha Khan I didn't ask for a joke.. I asked for proof? I think u need to search the Quran... Cuz ur the one who has to provide the answer so why are u telling me to read

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Uzair Rauf following the messenger means following the sunnah of the prophet? when u follow someone on twitter, are you following their sunnah as well? no, u are subscribing to the sayings of the person u subscribe to, just as the people were order to subscribe to the messenger because the message was being revealed through his mouth. November 1 at 6:22am via mobile Like 1

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan said, "Again khidr... Answer my initial question.... Where is ur proof that his speech is not to be followed in quran" @Mufti, Allah says in Surah 3:31, Say: "If ye do love Allah, fa-ittabin (then follow me): Allah will love you and forgive you your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."

What did the Prophet Muhammad follow? O you nabiyu (prophet), you shall ittaqi (reverence) Allah and do not obey the disbelievers and the hypocrites. Allah is Omniscient, Most Wise. wa-ittabi (And follow) what is y (revealed) to you from your Lord. Allah is fully Cognizant of everything you all do. And put your trust in Allah (33:1-3) The proof that we are not suppose to follow the Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi) is because Allah tells us to follow what was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad even he to had to follow it. What was revealed to the Prophet, the Qur'an. November 1 at 6:25am Like 2

Rehaan Waseem @uzair the Quranic language is not the same as Twitter language November 1 at 6:25am via mobile Like 1

Uzair Rauf mufti, if we obeyed the sayings of Allah and obeyed the sayings of the prophet as well, wouldnt that be taking partners with Allah? please use common sense. Allah is the sole ruler and lawmaker in islam. we are only told to obey the messenger because the message, the quran, was being revealed through his mouth. again, common sense November 1 at 6:26am via mobile Like 2

Rehaan Waseem Sorry for the rude awakening November 1 at 6:27am via mobile Like

Uzair Rauf oh rehaan, so following the messenger means following the sunnah of the prophet? ok, could you give me a verse from the quran that tells me where u can find these scriptures detailing his sunnah, because I cant find it. I guess Allah is irresponsible for not guiding us correctly. November 1 at 6:32am via mobile Like 1

Uzair Rauf also could you give me a verse about the sahabas recording the actions of the prophet? November 1 at 6:33am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan i believe I answered your question now in return please produce the ayat telling us that the Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) is suppose to be followed. November 1 at 6:41am Like

Mufti Taha Khan Can u tell me where u provided me with the ayah supporting ur claim... I don't see it man... Repost it... And remember till now I was asking u the verse that says don't follow the prophet in things beside the message... Repost the verse if you already posted it November 1 at 6:48am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari The GAMES Sunnis play.... Mufti Taha Khan said, " Can u tell me where u provided me with the ayah supporting ur claim... I don't see it man... Repost it... And remember till now I was asking u the verse that says

don't follow the prophet in things beside the message... Repost the verse if you already posted it" "Again khidr... Answer my initial question.... Where is ur proof that his speech is not to be followed in quran" @Mufti, Allah says in Surah 3:31, Say: "If ye do love Allah, fa-ittabin (then follow me): Allah will love you and forgive you your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." What did the Prophet Muhammad follow? O you nabiyu (prophet), you shall ittaqi (reverence) Allah and do not obey the disbelievers and the hypocrites. Allah is Omniscient, Most Wise. wa-ittabi (And follow) what is y (revealed) to you from your Lord. Allah is fully Cognizant of everything you all do. And put your trust in Allah (33:1-3) We are told to follow the Messenger never the Prophet. The Burden of proof Mufti is on you to produce the AYAT telling us to follow the Prophet. Even in Surah 33/21 says to follow the messenger's 'uswatun hasana/excellent example so once again I have proven to you through the ayats that Allah's says to follow what was revealed to the Prophet and what was revealed, the Qur'an. In terms of following the messenger's excellent example well his example is in Qur'an also. Its in the same Book of Guidance that was revealed to him. His example was the Source he followed and the source we are also told to follow. Where is your proof Mufti to follow the Prophet, produce the ayat. November 1 at 6:54am Like

Rehaan Waseem Don't blame your misguidance on Allah Uzair and these convos will deal with ONE ISSUE AT A TIME November 1 at 6:55am via mobile Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Yes one issue at a time please... November 1 at 6:56am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Rehaan Waseem you have yet to answer my questions one at a time I would move on if I was you, Uzair Rauf he has been exposed already bro. November 1 at 6:56am Edited Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Khidr said he answered me by providing the ayah where it supports his claim that Allah said don't follow the prophet in things beside the message November 1 at 6:57am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari You sunnis don't know how to answer questions directly. November 1 at 6:57am Like 2

Rehaan Waseem Lol look at his answer November 1 at 6:59am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari My point exactly lol you run and hide and evade simple questions. November 1 at 6:59am Like

Mufti Taha Khan Wow... Didn't answer but now listen... No one comment right now ... Imma answer him in short questions November 1 at 7:02am via mobile Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Khidr and crew... Is the prophet a Nabi ? November 1 at 7:03am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari I answered it completely now you produce your proof that we are to follow the Prophet...or follow Hadith or look outside of Qur'an for an explanation of the Qur'an to Hadith? Waiting...... November 1 at 7:03am Edited Like

Mufti Taha Khan I'm answering it by asking baby questions.... Is he a nabi November 1 at 7:06am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan he's a nabi yes which relates to the human side of who he is...his speech, his peronal life, we went over this already you don't read it seems. repost: The prophet is Muhammad; the man himself, in his life, in his private affairs, in his social relations with those around him, and in his human conduct. Owing to his human conduct, he was susceptible to rebuke from Allah. For this reason, he used to be rebuked in his capacity as a prophet <== November 1 at 7:11am Like

Mufti Taha Khan Ok so he is a Nabi....... Now in the Quran in Fatiha Allah teaches us a dua and says ask me for guidance to the straight path.. The path of those upon whom Allah favored? Yes or no November 1 at 7:14am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Yes, no doubt November 1 at 7:22am Like

Mufti Taha Khan The Quran also says that the Quran itself is the best form of tafseer? You have said this before aswell correct? November 1 at 7:25am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Of course it is Ahsan_ul_Tafsir the best explanation and exegesis of Allahs Book. <Wa la_ yatu_naka bimasalin il la_ jina_ka bil haq qi wa ahsana tafsira> And no example do they bring to thee but We bring to thee the truth and the best Tafsir (exegesis) (25:33) November 1 at 7:29am Like

Mufti Taha Khan Ur gone bro! The Quran explains itself as to what people it refers to in Fatiha... When he said ask for hidayah and the path of THOSE upon whom u favored... He explains in fifth juz that the ask me for the path of those

upon whom I favored from NABIYYEEN firstly then siddiqeen and shuhada and saliheen... What does it equal = ask for hidayah to the straight path.... Path of nabiyyeen = follow prophet November 1 at 7:39am via mobile Like 5

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan post the ayat where Allah says follow the Nabi its a simple request.... November 1 at 7:42am Like

Khidr Amari You asked me questions after questions I answered now I'm asking you to produce the ayat that says follow the Nabi.................................................. November 1 at 7:42am Like

Rehaan Waseem You've been proven wrong here Khidr stop being hard headed November 1 at 7:43am via mobile Like 1

Rehaan Waseem Your criteria is of no value here this is very clear cut November 1 at 7:44am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Answer my question Rehaan Waseem in the other post... November 1 at 7:46am Like

Khidr Amari Rehaan Waseem you been exposed please move on. November 1 at 7:46am Like

Mufti Taha Khan Are u stupid... I just showed u in ur own logic... What problem do u have with this answer... U accepted him to be a Nabi... U accepted we ask for guidance from Allah and Allah says the path if those who Allah favored... Then u accepted the Quran is its best explanation... Then u accepted that Allah makes clear who he meant .... Hence ur trapped.... So now why is this not enough evidence from Quran? Everything I said was from Quran and u accepted it every single step of the way November 1 at 7:46am via mobile Like 6

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan your the one resorting to NAME CALLING becaue you can't refute the Qur'an. I have been producing ayats after ayats while you produce NOTHING telling us to follow the Prophet or Sunnah of the Prophet. Where does Allah say follow the Nabi? You don't know because its no where in Qur'an. Allah says follow the Messenger over and over again, does Allah run out of words? November 1 at 8:36am Like 2

Khidr Amari There is a REASON why Allah never says follow the Prophet i have explained it to you but your illogical thinking won't accept that you have been exposed. Just give up now Mufti Taha Khan and take this as a learning experience. November 1 at 8:37am Like 2

Uzair Rauf rehaan waseem: "dont blame your misguidance on Allah uzair and these convos will deal with one issue at a time"... lol youre never going to get to my 'issue' of stating that there is not a single quranic verse that authorizes other scriptures to be followed because of that reason alone. there are no quranic verses that allow for thr following of other scriptures, and you know this. because evrrytime we ask u to refer us to one, you pretend as though u never even heard us. You sunnis call us misguided when u have no response or are unable to respond. Please start using your minds because uts obvious your big bearded mullah scholars are doing the thinking for you. November 1 at 8:50am via mobile Edited Like 2

Mufti Taha Khan Khidr.. U wanted proof from Quran... I took u by the hand like a child and took u thru the verses.. U accepted everything step by step... It's from Quran to... Why are u not accepting it... Now don't change topic and say stupid things like u didn't answer and jump to a diff question.... I just dissed u and ur telling me u didn't answer the question ..... November 1 at 11:19am via mobile Like 2

Mufti Taha Khan My question to u is what criteria did my answer not meet.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! November 1 at 11:19am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan U either gonna give me ur reason for not accepting... Or go home covering ur face... November 1 at 11:21am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan So how is my step by step ayat and bayyinaat not acceptable November 1 at 11:21am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan After this I have ready question after question that u and ur agents can never answer November 1 at 11:22am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan I'm just getting started November 1 at 11:23am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan I'm just as determined as u people... I'm not going anywhere... I wanna show ur cowardness and stupidity to the world.... November 1 at 11:27am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan So now tell me how I didn't answer ur question... What's missing especially if u accepted EVERYTHING step by step that too from Quran... So what is my answer missing.... Either u accept defeat here and we move on to the next set of questions I have! November 1 at 11:29am via mobile Like 1

Ibraheem Muhammad To the 2 agents of kufr, how do you perform your salaat? That is if you do. Can you show us the steps of salaat in the Quraan? November 1 at 11:39am via mobile Like 2

Mufti Taha Khan They'll show u proof from Quran about sajdah and ruku.... But ask them in what order do I pray... Sajdah is proven but where to place the hands n all November 1 at 11:50am via mobile Like 1

Ibraheem Muhammad Oh yes I want all details in order! These guys are qadianis, right? November 1 at 11:52am Like 4

Mufti Taha Khan But just hold for abit... Let him tell me what's wrong with my answer, because he wanted a verse from Quran showing where we should follow the prophet and how Allah says follow the path of the prophet.... So now he has to tell me why he is not accepting my answer November 1 at 11:53am via mobile Like 1

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan again, and again, and again I have shown you clear ayats please don't talk to me like I'm some child Mufti you have not shown me obey the Prophet NO WHERE IN QUR'AN. Admit that its not there if your a man or a truth speaking person stop playing games. No where does Allah say Obey the Prophet...you want to make yourself look good if this is all you have go for it but we know the truth. November 1 at 2:34pm Like

Khidr Amari Any one reading this will see clearly who has provided the Bayyinat so I'll let those who read this judge for themselves truth needs no support November 1 at 2:35pm Like

Khidr Amari Ibraheem Muhammad before you start calling people Kafirs learn how the Quranic etiquette show some respect. November 1 at 2:36pm Like 1

Khidr Amari Before you come here Ibraheem Muhammad saying how can we do this and that without Qur'an first maybe you you can muster up the guts to provide me with an ayat something that Mufti Taha Khan has failed to do that can answre my four points: PRODUCE ONE VERSE IN AL QUR'AAN THAT SAYS EITHER ONE OF THE FOLLOWING: (1) We are suppose to follow Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by NAME or... (2) We will get guidance from Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by NAME or (3) We are suppose to believe in Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by NAME ? or (4) Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) was revealed or sent down (nazala) to Muhammad by NAME? @again, Mufti has failed, Rehaan Waseem has failed ALL OF THE SUNNIS with the name thus far has failed.

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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan want to talk about Salaat again I provided the basics from Qur'an, this is Allah's Book now Mufti show me from your Hadith how to make a complete Salaat from beginning to end using one hadith you won't be able to do so. You wo n't be able to do so because one hadith isn't enough you need tons of tons of Hadith to make a Salaat and even then your Hadith will not show you clearly how to make a full and complege Salaat from beginning to the very end...so please if you want to talk about Qur'an not having the details you better talk about your own Hadith not having the details. November 1 at 2:43pm Like 2

Mufti Taha Khan Khidr... Look back at what U wrote.... U just said I gave u answer after answer!!!! I NEVER ASKED A NEW QUESTION !!! I asked what's wrong with my answer?????????????????????? That I gave earlier November 1 at 8:19pm via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan One thing at a time please... And I can't help but take u as a kid.... I'm sorry but it is what it is November 1 at 8:20pm via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan So please don't say: mufti taha I answered u again and again with bayyinaat... Because I never asked u a new question..... My question was that what is wrong with my answer where I showed u that we are to follow the path of the prophet November 1 at 8:22pm via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan So u have to tell me what's wrong with my answer ONLY November 1 at 8:23pm via mobile Like

Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan What was the question? November 1 at 8:24pm Like

Mufti Taha Khan And buddy we don't fail cuz u said we failed ...... Look who's not telling me what criterions is my answer not meeting?????? Look who's failing lol November 1 at 8:24pm via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan Again so I need to know why my answer dosent have... It clearly said the path of the prophet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! November 1 at 8:25pm via mobile Like

Saeed Talpur Prophet followed the Straight Path (Sirat e Mustaqeem). 6:161 November 1 at 8:33pm Edited Like

Saeed Talpur Allah is also on a Straight Path (Sirat e Mustaqeem). 11:56 November 1 at 8:33pm Edited Like

Mufti Taha Khan U idiot... Before u write verses... In a short line tell us what ur teying to prove then quote.... What are u trying to prove..... U have to tell me why my answer is incomplete when I proved that Allah says the tread the path of the prophet November 1 at 8:39pm via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan And in that ayah Allah said that this is my path!!!! Not that I'm on it or I'm following it..... So don't misquote it....... He then said the prophet is on that same path... November 1 at 8:41pm via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan So again I showed u that we have to follow the prophet saw ..... Khidr has to tell me what's wrong with the answer I gave u earlier... Also u too talpuri can try answering........... November 1 at 8:42pm via mobile Like

Ibraheem Muhammad Khidr n uzair? U want to follow the quran only fine with me. Tell us exactly where are your names in the quraan? Uzair can be proven to be a name in the quraan, but prove from verses that khidr is a name? November 1 at 8:54pm Like 2

Ibraheem Muhammad But u will not answer, because you 2 are worthless qadianis! No point arguing with u. May Allah show you both the straight path November 1 at 8:56pm Like

Saeed Talpur My name saeed is in the Quran in verse 11:105. IF anyone's name mentioned in the Quran does not make him/her superior or inferior in sight of God. November 1 at 9:04pm Like

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan your self delusional and I love your attacks and insults calling us names but can't produce one ayat defending your baseless claims. Your mushrik behavior taking other than the Book of Allah for law is told to us in Qur'an. Again, you have not produced the AYATS telling us to follow the Prophet.... You have not produced the ayat telling us to follow Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by NAME Where did you learn your Deen from Mufti not the Qur'an but from conjecture hadith books I have exposed you too many times any one who takes a look at our exchange will see who humilated who and its clear as day you have been defeated. November 1 at 10:47pm Like 1

Khidr Amari Now Mufti Taha Khan I will give you a warning to watch your mouth you claim to be following the Qur'an hence the Qur'an says to have respect it teaches us etiquette stop calling people names no one is an idiot, kid, stupid this is your warning if you continue to insult us your presence here has already been EXPOSED as not being able to defend your false doctrine so now if you keep up the insults you'll be boooted for your foolish behavior. November 1 at 10:49pm Like 1

Khidr Amari Ibraheem Muhammad we follow Qur'an because Allah tells us to you seem to have a problem with that but if you want us to follow Nataq-unNabi (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by NAME then produced the AYATS simple as that your other brothers Sunnis have failed to do so. November 1 at 10:50pm Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Khidr my man !! Lets do this again and I'm answering u in a question format.... Do u believe that Allah taught us a dua in Fatiha that oh Allah GUIDE us... Then Allah says on the path of those who he favored? I'm answering u so please just answer November 1 at 11:01pm via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan what your doing is evading my question that is simple you trying to shy away from a simple question you can't answer because you don't want to get more embarassed and look more foolish than what you have been thus far. Its not about Allah guiding us I asked you a simple question can you produce the ayat that says to follow Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by NAME its a simple yes or no. November 1 at 11:04pm Like

Mufti Taha Khan Ohhhhhh so ur saying that the it has to say the name or Nabi and follow him?????? U know what ... In the Quran it says regarding 3 people that they were left behind until the vast earth became narrow upon them.... 11 juz, can u tell me WHO they were? And what was there story??? November 1 at 11:11pm via mobile Like 1

Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan Which one of these Hadith do you believe? Where is God according to the Quran? 6:103 The eyesight cannot reach Him, yet He can reach all eyesight; and He is the Subtle, the Expert. Where is God according to BUKHARI Hadith? DO NOT SPIT IN FRONT OF YOURSELF, GOD IS THERE Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: While the Prophet was praying, he saw sputum (on the wall) of the mosque, in the direction of the Qibla, and so he scraped it off with his hand, and the sign of disgust (was apparent from his face) and then said, "Whenever anyone of you is in prayer, he should not spit in front of him (in prayer) because Allah is in front of him." Sahih Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 73, Number 132: What will you do Obey Allah and Obey Messenger or Obey Bukhari? November 1 at 11:22pm Edited Like 1

Uzair Rauf lol I dont think ill be able to count the number of times kidr and I have asked u people to produce one shred of evidence from the quran about Allah authorizing that we follow scriptures outside of the quran... not once have u answered. youre too busy calling us names and praying that Allah guide us. typical sunnis. November 1 at 11:19pm via mobile Like 2

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan, does not the Qur'an say in Surah 16/123 Allah instructs Prophet Muhammad to follow Prophet Ibrahim ==> Millata Ibrahim <==

yes it does have to say it. If you can't produce the ayat this means that the Prophet Muhammad did not have a Sunnah of his own. Allah never instructs us to follow Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger). Allah tells us to follow the Messenger meaning the message. lol here we go again evading my question if Allah did not mention the 3 people you are asking about I can care less about their names and their story if the story wasn't fully mentioned in the Qur'an. Now if your saying that the 3 people Allah failed to mention in His Book that Allah tells us that His Book (Al Qur'an) is COMPLETE, PERFECT, FULLY DETAILED AND THAT IT EXPLAINS ALL THINGS (Quraan 6:114-115; 16:89; 6:38; 12:111) yet it fails to mention 3 names so the 3 names are found in the Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi) once again you need to produce the ayat directing me to put down the Qur'an for these 3 names and go pick up the books of Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi) called Hadith. Where is the ayat? November 1 at 11:27pm Edited Like 1

Uzair Rauf following the speech of the prophet would be taking the prophet as partners with allah and would be committing shirk. im pretty sure a child could have figured this out, but the big bearded mullah scholars who you people blindly follow cant. But still, feel free to call us kafirs. November 1 at 11:49pm via mobile Edited Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan No jumping all u.... If the Quran has everything in it and all makes scence in it... Then why did Allah not complete the story ..,, if everything should make scence November 1 at 11:48pm via mobile Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan And look at uzair... According to him if u listen or follow someone ur doin shirk... Allah says obey ur parents ???? Remember what u said firstly... So is that doing shirk ???? U follow ur boss at work... U listen and obey the rules of this country ... This all makes u a mushrik according to u...

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Mufti Taha Khan So khidr... Does the Quran make complete scence? And nothing in it is left where explanation is needed and all the stories are fully explained in the Quran so the readers don't have any questions?? Yes or no November 1 at 11:52pm via mobile Like

Uzair Rauf you sunnis claim that you'put the quran before everything else and judge everything by the quran first'.. yet when you find something ur parents and teachers have taught you is not in the quran, you deem the quran, the word of allah as incomplete. hypocrisy. November 1 at 11:53pm via mobile Edited Like

Mufti Taha Khan And talpuri said that where is Allah according to u cuz there's different Hadith regarding where he says??? My friend : Allah says he is on the throne in Surah taha... But in qaaf he says we are closer to u then the jugular vain.. What answer do u give for that November 1 at 11:56pm via mobile Like 1

Uzair Rauf lol mufti, the difference is that im not obeying my boss and parents for islamic guidance that will determine my afterlife. please use common sense. For islamic guidance, allah is the sole lawmaker snd ruler and we shall not set any partners with him. November 2 at 12:01am via mobile Edited Like

Mufti Taha Khan Everyone is asked seperate questions Khidr was asked: does the Quran make complete scence, it explains EVERYTHInG so the reader has no question left? Talpuri was asked: where is Allah according to Quran ... On the throne or our jugular vain? And uzair was asked: because his rule is that following or obeying other then Allah is shirk.. So I asked him why then do u obey the city rules in regards to speeding and all. And why does he drive the car in his lane and not into oncoming traffic and why does he listen to his boss ?? November 2 at 12:00am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan Lets sit back and look at what answer these people guve November 2 at 12:00am via mobile Like 3

Mufti Taha Khan Look at uzair: his statement was that I don't follow my boss for guidance right? So he can I ey others if guidance is not the objective... Provide a verse saying that in non guidance matters we can follow other then Allah!!!!! From Quran only... Again look at ur claim I wanna know what verse supports ur claim November 2 at 12:04am via mobile Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan As uzair said common scence was his proof.. Everyone please look back... I'm telling him that's not a proof according to him so give a verse November 2 at 12:05am via mobile Like 1

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan said: "So khidr... Does the Quran make complete scence? And nothing in it is left where explanation is needed and all the stories are fully explained in the Quran so the readers don't have any questions?? Yes or no" "Everyone is asked seperate questions ....Khidr was asked: does the Quran make complete scence, it explains EVERYTHInG so the reader has no question left?" Mufti... again Not I, but Allah tells us that His Book (Al Quraan) is COMPLETE, PERFECT, FULLY DETAILED AND THAT IT EXPLAINS ALL THINGS (Quraan 6:114-115; 16:89; 6:38; 12:111), amazing you just said 'if the qur'an has everything in it and all makes sense in it then why did Allah not complete the story ...if everything should make sense" What does Allah say: And when Allah made a covenant with those who were given the Book: latubayyinunnahu (You certainly make it clear) to men wal (and do not) taktumnahu (conceal it); but fanabadhhu (they cast it) wara (behind) uhrihim (their backs) and took a small price for it; so evil is that which they buy." 3/187 Who do you think Allah is speaking about those who made the covenant after being given the Book that the Prophet made it clear for? You all who believe we should follow Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) contained in OUTSIDE books called Hadith compiled by Persian Imams over 200 years after the Prophet's death written by men have abandoned the Qur'an. In Surah At-Tur, the unbelievers are challenged: "Or do they say: He has forged it. Nay! they do not believe. Then let them bring a Hadith similar to it if they are truthful." (52:33-34) Yet, Mufti this is what you are calling us to another book instead of the Qur'an. Allah says let disbelievers produce another Hadith like this Qur'an and the disbelievers took on Allah's challenge without a doubt. What are the Muslims between Sunnis and Shites following today not the Qur'an, what are you quoting today, not the Qur'an, its Hadith. Its no wonder the Prophet Muhammad will say on the day of Judgement that his people has abandoned the Qur'an.

"And the Messenger has said, "O my Lord, indeed my people have taken this Qur'an as [a thing] abandoned." 25/30 Now the question is what has the Muslims abandoned the Qur'an for? Easy question once again its called Hadith which Mufti you would say are the Nataqun-Nabi (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger). You continue to question Allah's assertions about His Book being complete, fully detailed and explaining all things in terms of righteous guidance Allah says about His own Book yet Allah says, Whatever argument they come up with, we provide you with the truth, and a better understanding." 25/33 We did not leave anything out of this book (6:38), and We have revealed to you this book to provide explanations for everything (16:89), and This is not fabricated Hadith; this (Quran) confirms all previous scriptures [and] provides the details of everything " (12:111) The True believers of Allah and His Messenger believes in the Qur'an are in no hurry to accuse the Book of Allah with deficiency or ambiguity making it in need of clarification, or that it came to us sketchy and thus its in need of someone to give the details like you Sunnis and Shites, Mufti. We are the ones who believes in the Quran, believes Allahs assertion that He did not leave anything out of the Quran and that it came down clarifying and detailing everything. Allah tells us clearly: By the sky that returns (the water). By the earth that cracks (to grow plants). This is a serious narration. Not to be taken lightly. (86:11-14). We have given them a scripture that is fully detailed, with knowledge, guidance, and mercy for the people who believe. (7:52). A scripture whose verses provide the complete details, in an Arabic Quran, for people who know. (41:3). As for Mufti and other Sunnis and Shites who dont know, you are the ones who challenge the Qurans assertions, disbelieving its clarity and not believing that it details everything; I mean we hear the same old lame questions: 1) 'Where is the number of units of prayer mentioned in the Quran? or, 2) Where is the method for prayer mentioned in the Quran? or,

3) How should we perform the pilgrimage? 4) Where are the days of the week mentioned in the Quran? Now Allah makes it simple about His Book addressing those who challenged Allah's Book in the past: Allah says, As for those who saaw (constantly challenge) ytin (our revelations) mujizna (to cause failure) those for them adhbun (is a punishment) of foul nature painful. And see those who have been given the knowlege that what unzila (is revealed) from your Lord. aqa (It is the truth) wayahd (and it guides) to iri (the Path) azzi (of the All-Mighty) amdi (the Praiseworthy)." 34/5 Thus, Allah refers to them in this verse in the past tense, so what of the present after the death of the Prophet Muhammad up until 2012? DIRE WARNING to you Mufti and the rest of you who continue to challenge Allah's assertions: Allah says, wa-alladhna (As for those who) yasawna (consistently challenge) f (against) ytin (our revelations) mujizna ((to cause failure) those into the punishment mu'arna (will be brought)." 34/38 All of you who keep questioning Allah's Book claiming deficiencies better take heed..... November 2 at 12:32am Edited Like 2

Uzair Rauf lol mufti.. are u seriousky asking these questions. the qurans purpose is to guide us so we can be successful in the afterlife. everything the quran talks about is for the benefit of our guidance. when allah tells us not to take partners with him, it is partners for islamic guidance. obeying my boss has nothing to do with the quran or islamic guidance. it is for my worldly success. November 2 at 12:30am via mobile Edited Like 1

Khidr Amari So who do you believe if your a Sunni/Shite reading this Allah's Book that it is complete and fully detailed or Mufti? November 2 at 12:26am Like

Uzair Rauf and if Allah wants us to obey the speech of the prophet for islamic guidance, why wont the quran lead me to scriptures so I can do this? does allah not want me to be guided? does allah not want me to fullfill the important quranic command of obeying the prophet? November 2 at 12:29am via mobile Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Khidr is saying yes the Quran explains everything .... Perfect and he gave all these verse saying that it is all perfect So khidr: can I show some places where the Quran is not perfect? November 2 at 12:49am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan And uzair keeps saying its understood ... That's not a proof to u... If that's proof to u then I will say that some things are not complete in Quran so it's UNDERSTOOD that we find something that Allah refers us to and we take it.... Again provide a verse saying that!!!! November 2 at 12:51am via mobile Like

Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan Show us the places where the Quran is not perfect for guidance. November 2 at 12:53am Edited Like 1

Khidr Amari Check mate, I didn't say the Qur'an explains everything in terms of guidance Allah did I'm just repeating what Allah says about His Book. Is this not total rejection of the Book of Allah denying the ayats? Now Mufti Taha Khan makes an assumption trying to prove that the Qur'an is imperfect also Subhan Allah. Allah says, The word of your Lord is complete, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient. (6:115). Today, I have completed your system, perfected My blessing upon you, and I have decreed Submission as the system for you (5:3) If all the trees on earth were made into pens, and the ocean supplied the ink, augmented by seven more oceans, the words of Allah would not run out (31:27). Is it not enough of a miracle that we sent down to you this book, being recited to them? This is indeed a mercy and a reminder for people who believe. (29:51). Allah Himself is witness over the fact that His book is enough, the Almighty says, Say, Allah suffices as a witness between me and you. He knows everything in the heavens and the earth. Surely, those who believe in falsehood and disbelieve in Allah are the real losers. (29:52). This is the straight path to your Lord. We have explained the revelations for people who take heed. (6:126). This is My path - a straight one. You shall follow it, and do not follow any other paths, lest they divert you from His path. These are His commandments to you, that you may be saved. (6:153). Mufti sounds so confused right now I wanted Mufti to provide a ayat telling us to follow Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by NAME' and of course he has failed to do so as I have shown him by NAME Millata Ibrahim and provided him with numerous Ayats Allah Himself saying His Book is complete, fully detailed....now he is alluding to Allah's Book being IMPERFECT which Allah says to us to question the Qur'an, study it if there exist imperfections in Allah's Book then this Book is not from Allah. Mufti I believe you been studying Hadith too long.

"Do they not then consider the Qur'an carefully? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein many a contradiction." 4/82 November 2 at 12:57am Like 3

Mufti Taha Khan Didn't answer my question as to where Allah is according to Quran .................... So answer that first please till then don't open ur mouth... Saeed why are u saying complete in guidance... The Quran says its complete in everything... So rephrase ur question to : show us the places that are incomplete or not perfect.... If u day no in guidance only then ur goin against the Quran where it says it is complete in general... November 2 at 12:58am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari lol Mufti Taha Khan I'm just about DONE with you and your dogma now you are beginning to be rude and disrespectful. You have been exposed. November 2 at 1:03am Like 2

Mufti Taha Khan And khidr: I know the answers to all my questions .... But if a kafir looks in the Quran and sees Allah said he is on the throne and in another place he sees that he is closer to the jugular vain.... And in one place he sees that he created the sky first but then he sees he created the earth first .. wHAT ANsWER wIlL u give him? November 2 at 1:03am via mobile Like

Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan Quran is complete and a detailed Book mentioned in these verses. 6:114 "Shall I seek other than God as a judge when He has sent down to you the

Book fully detailed?" Those to whom We have given the Book know it is sent down from your Lord with the truth; so do not be of those who have doubt. 6:115 And the word of your Lord has been completed with truth and justice; there is no changing His words. He is the Hearer, the Knower. November 2 at 1:03am Like 2

Khidr Amari Yet, Mufti Taha Khan is an IMAM...check who you learn your DEEN from people. November 2 at 1:03am Like 2

Mufti Taha Khan Talpuri keeps saying that it is complete ... If it is where is he??? For u to khidr? It's complete got it but if a favor sees it and asks u what answer will u give him?????? November 2 at 1:19am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Salaam to you Mufti Taha Khan I'm finish with our discussion. November 2 at 1:20am Like 1

Uzair Rauf and after 500 comments, the sunnis stilll failed to provide a single quranic verse mentioning we follow other scriptures for guidance. Yet im the kafir... November 2 at 1:23am via mobile Edited Like 3

Mufti Taha Khan Bye bye khidr... The alternative is still there that Hadith explains much if Quran and Allah has ordered us to follow his prophet .... If not then answer the question the kafir posed to u in the example!!! November 2 at 1:31am via mobile Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Uzair had the answer to the kafirs question I guess... November 2 at 1:32am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan is this your intellect calling people kafir because you failed to provide the evidence. If you claim that the Hadith explains much I would say show the ayat telling us the Hadith are the extra Wahi/Divine Revelation if you can't you are again not following the Messenger. Aagain watch your mouth bro stop being disrespectful. November 2 at 1:44am Like 1

Lola Parker Mufti Taha Khan.... You said "Also don't bring up that it contradicts itself, cuz the Quran does aswell.. Quran says earth was created first then sky in bother place he says opposite ???" LMOL....Well I say in response.... 25:30 "Then the Messenger will say: "O my Lord! Truly my people (Arabic: Qawmi) took THIS QURAN for just foolish nonsense / of no account / abandoned it / forsaken it" 17:089 And We have explained to man, in THIS QURAN, >>EVERY<< kind of similitude: yet the greater part of men refuse (to receive it) except with ingratitude"

So if you feel THE QURAN has contradictions I think you lack knowledge or the ability to translate or transliterate correctly. Something ahk.... Like how do you utter such blasphemy!!!!!!! November 2 at 1:52am Like 2

Lola Parker Mufti Taha Khan, It seems that you seek to equate the Allahs' word to the mere writings of men subject to fallacy... And for what it's worth Khidr Amari has given you mistakes and sins that the Prophet committed that CLEARLY is and was not ALLAHS command or wish for him to do.... So the argument that EVERYTHING he said and did was divine revelation is utter blasphemy... Who do we look like? CHRIS TANS????? Was the noises he made and words he said to his wives when he was having sex with them DIVINE revelation???? Yeah like lets put it on the table strait like that... November 2 at 1:56am Like 2

Saeed Talpur May Allah save our innocent Muslim brothers and sisters from this kind of Mufti. Astagfirullah November 2 at 1:59am Like 2

Lola Parker lol. Only in 2012 can this ayat not mean anything to quote Islamic leaders... 50:45 We know best what they say; and you are not one to overawe them by force. So admonish with the QURAN such as fear My Warning! November 2 at 2:04am Like 2

Mufti Taha Khan Lola; we take the Quran Asa higher authority number one .... Secondly I didn't call anyone a kafir from u people Thirdly khidr: again I will say that Allah said obey me and obey the prophet... That's proof of following him... Also Allah declairs the way of NABI as the right one ...... November 2 at 2:07am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan again you have lost it. Allah says over and over again that all messengers said 'obey me' Allah says obey the messenger. Allah doesn't say obey the prophet that would be obeying his words and not Allah's Words, know the difference. November 2 at 2:13am Like 1

Lola Parker Mutfi... I can't tell that you hold the Quran in authority calling it a contradiction TOO.... ard Also, I didn't make mention to "kafir" but it's interesting how you view us as "u people" apart from yourself or "people" like you. Thirdly, To obey the prophet in what he was told to tell the people IS OBEYING ALLAH subsequently. ALLAH also said judge by the QURAN but I don't here how you get to only using the Quran but following the prophet threw some other book(s). Come on..... It's clear you've been taught to except the extra because of what the extra is suppose to represent. I understand you wanting to understand the man Muhammad, but with less than 1% of hadiths even being considered authentic I think you really need to stop indulging in what you know not... And by know not I mean there's no protection on these hadiths from Allah nomatter who we are to follow. November 2 at 2:22am Like 2

Khidr Amari "And We have revealed the Book to you which has clear explanation of everything, and a guidance, mercy and good news for those who submit." (Qur'an 16:89) Shall I then seek a Judge other than Allah? When it is He Who has revealed to you the Book fully detailed? (Qur'an 6:114) Mufti Taha Khan, this is for you Allah says, "Should We treat the ones who have surrendered the same as those who are criminals? What is wrong with you, how do you judge? Or do you have another book which you study? In it you find whatever you wish to find?" (Quran 68:3638) ==> Or do you have another book which you study? November 2 at 2:22am Like 2

Lola Parker I just can't understand how Allah gave the prophet a guide sitting right on our desk but some of us is still confused as to what the guide is... smgdh November 2 at 2:24am Like 2

Khidr Amari This Book has been sent down to you let there be no anxiety in your heart about it so that you may use it to give warning and to remind the believers (by telling them): Follow what has been sent down to you from your Lord! Do not follow other masters beside Him. How seldom you take heed! (Quran 7:2) The Messengers duty is only to deliver the message: Allah knows what you reveal and what you conceal. (Quran 5:99) "And thus do We elaborate the verses so that they may say: 'You have read' and that We may make it clear to a people who know." (Qur'an 6:105) Most Muslims today are unaware of what the Qur'an says about concepts of faith and carry many views on the Qur'an that are distorted and falsified and believe the

Qur'an is imperfect, incomplete without Hadith. Mufti Taha Khan and others beleive this because they have no direct knowledge of the verses. Again, it is of no surprise that Allah informs us of a statement of the Prophet Muhammad on the Day of Judgement: "And the Messenger said, 'My Lord, my people have deserted this Qur'an' " (Qur'an 25:30) "Do they want judgement according to the time of pagan ignorance? Is there any better judge than Allah for those of firm faith? (Quran 5:50) Have you considered those who were asked to accept judgement from Allahs Book? When they are asked to accept judgement from Allahs Book, some of them turn their backs and walk away! (Quran 3:23) "This too, is a blessed Book which We have sent down follow it and be conscious of your Lord, so that you may receive mercy lest you say, Books were sent to two communities before us: we were not aware of what they studied, or if only the Book had been sent down to us, we would have been better guided than them. Now your Lord has brought you clear evidence, guidance, and mercy. Who could be more wrong then someone who rejects Allahs Revelations and turns away from them? We shall repay those who turn away from our verses with a painful punishment." (Quran 6:155-157) "And We made the Qur'an easy to learn. Do any of you wish to learn?" (Qur'an 54:17) November 2 at 2:27am Like 1

Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan Try to understand THE STRAIGHT PATH. CONVERSATION BETWEEN GOD AND SATAN IN THE QURAN SATAN SAID I WILL MISLEAD THEM FROM STRAIGHT PATH: 15:39 He said: "My Lord, for that by which You have caused me to be misled, I will beautify for them what is on the earth, and I will mislead them all." 7:16 He said: "For that which You have caused me to be misled, I will stalk for them on Your straight path." EXCEPT THESE SERVANTS

15:40 "Except Your servants from among them, the devoted ones." GOD CONFIRMED THOSE WHO SERVE ME ALONE ARE ON STRAIGHT PATH: 15:41 He said: "This shall be a straight path to Me." GOD SAID MY GUIDANCE WILL COME SO FOLLOW THE GUIDANCE: 2:38 We said: "Descend from it all of you, so when the guidance comes from Me, then whoever follows My guidance, they will have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve." WE ASK FOR GUIDANCE FORM GOD TO THE STRAIGHT PATH: 1:6 Guide us to the straight path. SO WHAT IS THE STRAIGHT PATH? WHERE IS THIS STRAIGHT PATH MENTIONED? 3:51 "God is my Lord and your Lord, so serve Him, this is a straight path." 43:64 God is my Lord and your Lord. So serve Him. This is a straight path. 43:43 You shall hold on to that which is inspired to you; for you are on a straight path. 6:126 And this is the straight path of your Lord. We have fully detailed the revelations to a people who remember. 24:46 We have sent down to you clarifying revelations, and God guides whoever He wills to a straight path. 46:30 They said: O our people, we have heard a Book that was sent down after Moses, authenticating what is between his hands. IT GUIDES TO THE TRUTH; AND TO A STRAIGHT PATH. 36:1 YS. 36:2 And the Quran of wisdom. 36:3 You are one of the messengers. 36:4 Upon a STRAIGHT PATH. 36:5 The revelation of the Most Honorable, the Merciful. WHAT IF WE FOLLOW OTHER PATH THEN GOD MENTIONED IN THE QURAN?

6:153 And this is My path, a straight one. "So follow it, and do not follow the other paths lest they divert you from His path. That is what He has enjoined you to that you may be righteous." 67:22 Who is better guided: someone who falls on his face, or someone who walks steadily on a straight path? 17:9 Surely this Quran guides to that which is most upright and gives good news to the believers who do good that they shall have a great reward. Does the HADITHS OR SUNNAH guides to the Straight Path or THE QURAN? November 2 at 2:29am Edited Like

Khidr Amari "And, moreover, hdh (this) ir (is My path), mus'taqman (which is straight), fa-ittabihu (so follow it); wala (and do not) tattabi (follow) tattabi (other paths), fatafarraqa (they will separate) you from sablihi (His path). This has He instructed you that you may become righteous." 6/153 November 2 at 2:36am Edited Like 1

Saeed Talpur 46:30 They said: O our people, we have heard a Book that was sent down after Moses, authenticating what is between his hands. IT GUIDES TO THE TRUTH; AND TO A STRAIGHT PATH. Jinns didnt mentioned the Hadiths or Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad but they said the Book came from God after Moses which guides to the truth and to a straight path. November 2 at 2:37am Like

Lola Parker Khidr Amari Naw Mufti might be under the impression the only people Iblis vowed to corrupt is the Christians and non practicing Jews... lol November 2 at 2:39am Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan All those paragraphs didn't answer the question ............ November 2 at 2:44am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan According to khidr.... Nabi and rasool are 2 seperate people!!!!!!! Give me a verse that seperated the 2 November 2 at 2:45am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan Talpuri: where is Allah ?? November 2 at 2:47am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan Here is my number... I challenge anyone of u to call me and we will have a debate and this covo will be broadcasted on air everywhere ... We will set the rules and timings with each other ..... Who is ready? November 2 at 2:48am via mobile Like 2

Mufti Taha Khan Because all of u guys just dodging my questions... But u won't be able to do that in public November 2 at 2:49am via mobile Like

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Khidr Amari Mufti there is nothing knew under the sun the same disbelievers who didn't want the Qur'an during the time of the Prophet Muhammad are the same today who don't want the Qur'an but rather the Qur'an be changed, or supported with Hadith. Instead of believing in Qur'an you believe in Hadith that has taken the place of Q ur'an. Allah says, "Should We treat the ones who have surrendered the same as those who are criminals? What is wrong with you, how do you judge? Or do you have another book which you study? In it you find whatever you wish to find?" (Quran 68:3638) ==> Or do you have another book which you study? Allah says, And when Our Clear Ayat are recited unto them, those who hope not for their meeting with Us, say: i'ti (Bring us) biqur'nin (a Quran) ghayri (other than) hdh (this), or baddil'hu (change it). Say: It is not for me to change it on my own accord; I only follow that which is revealed unto me. Verily, I fear if I were to disobey my Lord, the torment of the Great Day. Ynus 10/15 ==> And when Our Clear Ayat are recited unto them, those who hope not for their meeting with Us, say: i'ti (Bring us) biqur'nin (a Quran) ghayri (other than) hdh (this), or baddil'hu (change it). November 2 at 2:50am Like 1

Tassha Manzoni Can I just add god says obey the messenger doesn't giv a name which messenger to obey so there for must mean its message the Quran the book nothing else November 2 at 2:50am via mobile Like 2

Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan WHERE IS ALLAH ACCORDING TO QURAN? 16:50 They fear their Lord from ABOVE THEM, and they do what they are commanded. 2:144 We see the shifting of your FACE TOWARDS THE HEAVEN; We will thus set for you a focal point that will be pleasing to you: "You shall set yourself towards the Restricted Temple; and wherever you may be, you shall all set yourselves towards it." Those who have been given the Book know it is the truth from their Lord. And God is not unaware of what you do. 6:103 The EYESIGHT CANNOT REACH HIM, YET HE CAN REACH ALL EYESIGHT; and He is the Subtle, the Expert. 2:115 And to GOD BELONG THE EAST AND THE WEST, SO WHEREVER YOU TURN, THERE IS THE FACE OF GOD. God is Encompassing, Knowledgeable. 50:16 And We have created man and We know what his soul whispers to him, and We are CLOSER TO HIM THAN HIS JUGULAR VEIN. 24:35 God is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The example of His light is like a niche within which there is a lamp, the lamp is encased in a glass, the glass is like a radiant planet, which is lit from a blessed olive tree that is neither of the east nor of the west, its oil nearly gives off light even if not touched by fire. Light upon light, God guides to His light whom He pleases. And God sets forth examples for the people, and God is aware of all things. 70:3 From God, Possessor of the ascending portals. 70:4 The angels and the Spirit ascend to Him in a day which is equivalent to fifty thousand years. 13:15 And to God will yield/prostrate/surrender all who are in the heavens and the earth, willingly and unwillingly, as do their shadows in the morning and the evening. 22:65 Did you not see that God commits to you what is on the earth? And the ships sail in the sea with His permission. AND HE HOLDS THE SKY SO THAT IT WOULD NOT COLLAPSE UPON THE EARTH, except by His permission. Indeed, God is Kind towards the people, Merciful. 35:41 God is the One WHO HOLDS THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH, lest

they cease to exist. And they would certainly cease to exist if anyone else were to hold them after Him. He is Compassionate, Forgiving. 48:10 Those who pledge allegiance to you, are in-fact pledging allegiance to God; THE HAND OF GOD IS ABOVE THEIR HANDS. Those of them who violate such a pledge, are violating it only for themselves. And whoever fulfills what he has pledged to God, then He will grant him a great re ward. 8:17 It was not you who killed them, but it was God who killed them. And it was NOT YOU WHO LAUNCHED WHEN YOU DID, BUT IT WAS GOD WHO LAUNCHED. And so that the believers would be tested well by Him. God is Hearer, Knowledgeable. 39:67 And they have not given God His true worth; and the WHOLE EARTH IS WITHIN HIS FIST ON THE DAY OF RESURRECTION, AND THE HEAVENS WILL BE FOLDED IN HIS RIGHT HAND. Be He glorified and exalted above what they set up. 69:17 And the angels will be on its borders; and the Throne of your Lord will be carried, above them on that Day, by eight. 42:11 Initiator of the heavens and the earth. He created for you from among yourselves mates, and also mates for the livestock so they may multiply. THERE IS NOTHING THAT EQUALS HIM. He is the Hearer, the Seer. 26:217 And put your trust in the Noble, the Merciful. 26:218 THE ONE WHO SEES YOU WHEN YOU STAND. 26:219 AND YOUR MOVEMENTS AMONG THOSE WHO SUJUD (YIELD). 26:220 He is the Hearer, the Knowledgeable. 10:61 And any matter you are in, or any reciting you do of the qur'an, or any work you do; we are witnesses over you when you undertake it. Nothing is hidden from your lord, not even the weight of an atom on the earth or in the heavens, nor smaller than that nor larger, except it is in a clear record. 57:4 He is the One who has created the heavens and the earth in six days, then He settled upon the Throne. He knows everything that enters within the earth, and everything that comes out of it, and everything that comes down from the heaven, and everything that ascends into it. AND HE IS WITH YOU WHEREVER YOU MAY BE. GOD IS SEER OF WHAT YOU DO. November 2 at 2:52am Like

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan I never said Prophet and Messenger are different yes they are different in status why does Allah correct Muhammad as Prophet but never as Messenger? November 2 at 2:53am Like 1

Khidr Amari Why does Allah say Obey the Messenger but never obey the Prophet? Its clear as day why you have to study the Qur'an Mufti Taha Khan I'm not going to call you save your number. Why can't you produce a ayat tleling us to follow Hadith? November 2 at 2:53am Like 1

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan, any time you want to have a organize debate come to my city and we can arrange a live debate i would love to engage in this its senseless to argue on the phone. November 2 at 2:55am Like

Mufti Taha Khan Actually he does... He says Muhammed the rasool of Allah ... November 2 at 2:55am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Rasul means Messenger November 2 at 2:55am Like

Khidr Amari Obey the Messenger

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Mufti Taha Khan And khidr : all the ayat are not related to the topic..... Why are u running from the question!!!! Where is Allah according to the Quran..... November 2 at 2:56am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Muhammad as Nabi/Prophet is never obeyed because Nabi attributes the human side of who he is that is prone to error. November 2 at 2:56am Like 1

Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khann WHERE IS ALLAH ACCORDING TO QURAN? 16:50 They fear their Lord from ABOVE THEM, and they do what they are commanded. 2:144 We see the shifting of your FACE TOWARDS THE HEAVEN; We will thus set for you a focal point that will be pleasing to you: "You shall set yourself towards the Restricted Temple; and wherever you may be, you shall all set yourselves towards it." Those who have been given the Book know it is the truth from their Lord. And God is not unaware of what you do. 6:103 The EYESIGHT CANNOT REACH HIM, YET HE CAN REACH ALL EYESIGHT; and He is the Subtle, the Expert. 2:115 And to GOD BELONG THE EAST AND THE WEST, SO WHEREVER YOU TURN, THERE IS THE FACE OF GOD. God is Encompassing, Knowledgeable. 50:16 And We have created man and We know what his soul whispers to him, and We are CLOSER TO HIM THAN HIS JUGULAR VEIN. 24:35 God is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The example of His light is

like a niche within which there is a lamp, the lamp is encased in a glass, the glass is like a radiant planet, which is lit from a blessed olive tree that is neither of the east nor of the west, its oil nearly gives off light even if not touched by fire. Light upon light, God guides to His light whom He pleases. And God sets forth examples for the people, and God is aware of all things. 70:3 From God, Possessor of the ascending portals. 70:4 The angels and the Spirit ascend to Him in a day which is equivalent to fifty thousand years. 13:15 And to God will yield/prostrate/surrender all who are in the heavens and the earth, willingly and unwillingly, as do their shadows in the morning and the evening. 22:65 Did you not see that God commits to you what is on the earth? And the ships sail in the sea with His permission. AND HE HOLDS THE SKY SO THAT IT WOULD NOT COLLAPSE UPON THE EARTH, except by His permission. Indeed, God is Kind towards the people, Merciful. 35:41 God is the One WHO HOLDS THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH, lest they cease to exist. And they would certainly cease to exist if anyone else were to hold them after Him. He is Compassionate, Forgiving. 48:10 Those who pledge allegiance to you, are in-fact pledging allegiance to God; THE HAND OF GOD IS ABOVE THEIR HANDS. Those of them who violate such a pledge, are violating it only for themselves. And whoever fulfills what he has pledged to God, then He will grant him a great re ward. 8:17 It was not you who killed them, but it was God who killed them. And it was NOT YOU WHO LAUNCHED WHEN YOU DID, BUT IT WAS GOD WHO LAUNCHED. And so that the believers would be tested well by Him. God is Hearer, Knowledgeable. 39:67 And they have not given God His true worth; and the WHOLE EARTH IS WITHIN HIS FIST ON THE DAY OF RESURRECTION, AND THE HEAVENS WILL BE FOLDED IN HIS RIGHT HAND. Be He glorified and exalted above what they set up. 69:17 And the angels will be on its borders; and the Throne of your Lord will be carried, above them on that Day, by eight. 42:11 Initiator of the heavens and the earth. He created for you from among yourselves mates, and also mates for the livestock so they may multiply. THERE IS NOTHING THAT EQUALS HIM. He is the Hearer, the Seer. 26:217 And put your trust in the Noble, the Merciful.

26:218 THE ONE WHO SEES YOU WHEN YOU STAND. 26:219 AND YOUR MOVEMENTS AMONG THOSE WHO SUJUD (YIELD). 26:220 He is the Hearer, the Knowledgeable. 10:61 And any matter you are in, or any reciting you do of the qur'an, or any work you do; we are witnesses over you when you undertake it. Nothing is hidden from your lord, not even the weight of an atom on the earth or in the heavens, nor smaller than that nor larger, except it is in a clear record. 57:4 He is the One who has created the heavens and the earth in six days, then He settled upon the Throne. He knows everything that enters within the earth, and everything that comes out of it, and everything that comes down from the heaven, and everything that ascends into it. AND HE IS WITH YOU WHEREVER YOU MAY BE. GOD IS SEER OF WHAT YOU DO. November 2 at 2:57am Like

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan I'm not answering redundant questions posed by you you haven't answered mines its obvious you can't and don't have an answer. Where is the Hadith ayat for us to follow November 2 at 2:58am Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Thank you talpuri ..!!!!!!!! So how does that make scence to u???? He says I'm on my throne then he says I'm closer to I then ur jugular vain? Which one.....???????? November 2 at 3:02am via mobile Like 1

Tassha Manzoni S2-136 say( o Muslims) we believe in Allah and that which is revealed to us and that which is revealed to abraham,and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received , and that which prophets received from their lord. WE MAKE NO DISTINCTION BETWEEN ANY OF THEM and to HIM we have SURRENDERED.

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Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan Try and find him I gave you the Verses. November 2 at 3:04am Like

Mufti Taha Khan Allah says : if you love Allah then follow me.... In this verse it is general, rasool or Nabi !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan What was the Prophet following? November 2 at 3:07am Like

Saeed Talpur Rasool and Nabi are used interchangeably in the Quran. November 2 at 3:09am Like

Khidr Amari Officially, my discourse, debate with Mufti Taha Khan is over I believe any one who reads these comments over 500 messages will see who provided the evidence to back their claim. Rest assured no one can intellecually argue against Allah's Words contained in His Book. I want to t hank Allah for giving me the overstanding and the wisdom to expose the falsehood Mufti and many others presented by bringing Truth. Truth and falsehood does not mix. Truth comes and falsehood perishes. Falsehood is inherently perishable (17:81).

I truly believe in the Sunnis argument that has been very weak from the start has persished by the way side. Alhumduillah, the Qur'an stands out as it always has and always will. November 2 at 3:09am Like 2

Mufti Taha Khan Girl that dosent prove us wrong ... In that ayah Allah dosent call them rasool.... Allah clearly calls Muhammed rasool!!!!!!! Surah hujraat November 2 at 3:09am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan Try and find him......? Out of all those places where is he.... Is he wayyyyyyyyyyy up in the heavens??? Or waaauyyyyy down next to us .... If he is everywhere then why did he say he is on his throne explicitly ??? November 2 at 3:12am via mobile Like

Saeed Talpur 2:165 And from among the people are some who take other than God as equals to Him, they love them as they love God; but those who believe love God more strongly; and when those who were wicked see the retribution, they will see that all power belongs to God, and that God is severe in retribution. November 2 at 3:14am Edited Like

Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan If you really want to see the God then follow the Quran. November 2 at 3:15am Edited Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan We love god more too but where is he.......??? Ur dodging again November 2 at 3:17am via mobile Like

Saeed Talpur Prophet will not intercede for you because on that day all power belongs to God 2:165. November 2 at 3:18am Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Allah never told us these places so we see him idiot... Ur the one quoting the verses and u didn't see him ... It's about where he is??????? November 2 at 3:19am via mobile Like

Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan If you don't know where God is then who do you prostrate in your Salah? lol November 2 at 3:20am Like

Mufti Taha Khan Khidr: again claiming victory from behind the bush !!!! Nice .... November 2 at 3:20am via mobile Like

Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan Do you prostrate to Kabba or God? November 2 at 3:21am Edited Like

Mufti Taha Khan I provided khidr where Allah says that if u love methen follow him..... No division as to rasool it Nabi ..!!!!!!!! That's clear from Quran November 2 at 3:22am via mobile Like

Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan Allah said: 2:115 And to GOD BELONG THE EAST AND THE WEST, SO WHEREVER YOU TURN, THERE IS THE FACE OF GOD. God is Encompassing, Knowledgeable. So which side do you prostrate? November 2 at 3:25am Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Talpuri: I prostate to god facing qiblah as he ordered us to.... But question still remains!!! November 2 at 3:27am via mobile Like

Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan Where does God said to prostrate towards the Qibla in the Quran? November 2 at 3:36am Edited Like

Mufti Taha Khan And khidr still has to show me how he is making the verse to mean that it is rasool and not Nabi where Allah kept it general... Proof from ayah please!!! November 2 at 3:31am via mobile Like

Jannah Leah lol sunnis November 2 at 3:32am Like 3

Mufti Taha Khan Qiblah means kaba and in baqarah Allah says face the haram as Ibrahim alaihi Salam makes dua to Allah calling it haram and he accepts his prayer November 2 at 3:36am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan Jannah u can try answering this one too.... November 2 at 3:37am via mobile Like

Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan Why God told Prophet to change the Qibla? November 2 at 3:38am Like

Jannah Leah What are you guys discussing exactly? I got here pretty late and this is tl;dr. November 2 at 3:39am Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan To see who follows the messenger as he was the imam in prayer November 2 at 3:46am via mobile Like

Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan You are dogging my questions. I need clear answers. Thanks If you don't know where God is then who do you prostrate in your Salah? Do you prostrate to Kabba or God? Allah said: 2:115 And to GOD BELONG THE EAST AND THE WEST, SO WHEREVER YOU TURN, THERE IS THE FACE OF GOD. God is Encompassing, Knowledgeable. So which side do you prostrate? Where does God said to prostrate towards the Qibla in the Quran? Why God told Prophet to change the Qibla? Why Prophet disliked the First Qibla? Who Build the fist Qibla and Second Qibla? November 2 at 3:48am Like

Mufti Taha Khan Wow... I thought u were gonna use that question wisely but u didn't...... We prostrate to Allah facing kaba because he told us to.... In the opening verses if the second juz he says that the stupid people will say what had turned them away from qiblah they used to face.... Say to them to Allah belongs the east and west but he guides only whom he wants..... And in verse 149 - 159 he says FACE KABA !!! November 2 at 3:58am via mobile Like

Saeed Talpur Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 636: Narrated Abu Dhaar: I said, "O Allah's Apostle! Which mosque was built first?" He replied, "AlMasjid-ul-Haram." I asked, "Which (was built) next?" He replied, "Al-Masjid-ulAqs-a (i.e. Jerusalem)." I asked, "What was the period in between them?" He replied, "Forty (years)." He then added, "Wherever the time for the prayer comes upon you, perform the prayer, for all the earth is a place of worshipping for you." Do you believe this Hadith? Solomon built the second Qibla after 40 years. The gap between Solomon and Abraham is nearly 40 years. What????? November 2 at 4:00am Edited Like

Mufti Taha Khan I'll answer ur question ..... But first answer my questions .... Where is Allah... November 2 at 4:08am via mobile Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Uve been dodging.. Where do u face why do u face....!!!! Answer the question buddy November 2 at 4:09am via mobile Like 2

Mufti Taha Khan And Solomon building the aqsa in the Hadith is ur twist.... Cuz in the Hadith it didn't say there that Solomon built aqsa.... Ibrahim built kaba and then 40 years later he builds the aqsa.... In the Hadith we are talking about Ibrahim building both !!!!!! November 2 at 4:12am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan As for the part where the prophet says that the entire earth is a place of worship! You are again missing its meaning... Where in the Hadith it says there that face any direction... It's simply saying that where ever u are the entire earth is masjid for u that u can pray anywhere like airport like market like desert but WHERE .. That's not discussed in the hadith November 2 at 4:19am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan Proved wrong once again!!!!!!! Now what did Allah create first November 2 at 4:44am via mobile Like

Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan So Abraham built two Qiblas? Where in the Quran did God mentioned that he built two Qiblas? November 2 at 5:02am Like

Saeed Talpur Is there any verse in the Quran which says Abraham built Masjid Al Aqsa (second Qibla)? November 2 at 5:04am Like

Mufti Taha Khan I never November 2 at 5:05am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan When did I say he made aqsa as a qiblah????? November 2 at 5:07am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan He made aqsa ... This was then qiblah for us... Then Allah changed it to kaba .... November 2 at 5:07am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan Talpuri : what did Allah create first ?? The earth or sky November 2 at 5:08am via mobile Like 1

Saeed Talpur You said Prophet liked the Qibla of Abraham so he faced toward Kabba. What is the proof of he turned his face towards the Kabba he probably faced towards the Masjid ul Aqsa because Abraham built both of them? November 2 at 5:37am Edited Like

Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan Why you keep asking the same question of what did Allah create first ? The earth or sky. I told you before the heavens and earth were joined together so Allah separated them this means they were created at the same time. 21:30 Have those who rejected not seen that the heavens and the earth were one piece, so We split them apart? And that We have made from the water everything that lives. Will they not believe? November 2 at 5:27am Like

Mufti Taha Khan Look at ur question... U don't even make scence... Now stop running from my question November 2 at 5:30am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan Talpuri: then why did Allah say he create earth after in naziaat November 2 at 5:38am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan If they were created together November 2 at 5:39am via mobile Like

Uzair Rauf lol mufti youve been running from the question of asking u to bring a verse that authorizes the following of scriptures outside the quran this whole time, so youre not one to accuse someone of dodging a question.

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Uzair Rauf are you going to call me a kafir everytime I ask that? November 2 at 5:49am via mobile Like 1

Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan lol What are you smoking these days in your hookah? Can't you post the verses? November 2 at 6:01am Like

Aymen Michael Mufti Taha Khan, please read this verse: 2:177 Piety is not to turn your faces towards the east and the west, but piety is one who acknowledges God and the Last day, and the angels, and the book, and the prophets, and he gives money out of love to the near relatives, and the orphans, and the needy and the wayfarer, and those who ask, and to free the slaves, and he observes the Contact prayer, and contributes towards betterment; and those who keep their pledges when they make a pledge, and those who are patient in the face of good and bad and during persecution. These are the ones who have been truthful, and they are the righteous. Also let us look at what qibla actually means: 10:87 And We inspired to Moses and his brother, "Settle your people in Egypt in houses and make your houses qib'latan and establish prayer and give good tidings to the believers." How would you translate qib'latan? November 2 at 6:03am Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Auman and talpur and uzair are all getting of focus... All three first answer my question... Which I e been asking? What was first earth or sky... Because the ayah say then AFTER we created the earth??? November 2 at 6:10am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan Uzair ... Scroll up anywhere and show me where I called anyone kafir!!! November 2 at 6:11am via mobile Like

Naqash Ahmed mufti, these people are useless to debate with, after 600+ comments with a mufti given ijazah, it shows how jahil these people are, may Allaah guide them. its better to leave them to Allaah, agree to disagree, at least u tried. dont waste ur time anymore. Allaahu akbar kabeera November 2 at 6:13am Like 2

Mufti Taha Khan Uzair talking about previous scriptures... When the hell was I talking about previous scriptures with u.... Answer my question and let's see who has been doing the running November 2 at 6:16am via mobile Like

Aymen Michael Allah created first the heaven, then the earth, then everything on the earth, then he fashioned the heaven into seven heavens and then he asked them to come, and the did. This is my knowledge. November 2 at 6:30am Like

Aymen Michael 2:29 He is the One who created for you all that is on Earth, then He attended to the heaven and made it seven heavens, and He is aware of all things. November 2 at 6:32am Like

Aymen Michael Not that this verse does not say he first created everyting on earth and then created the heaven. It says he created all things on earth and then attenteted to the heaven and made it seven heavens. November 2 at 6:33am Like

Mufti Taha Khan No the returning to the land is where in the Quran cuz so far three things are mentioned... 1.. Creation of sky 2.. Decoration of the sky 3.. Creation of the earth... The order of these is not fixed.. We know that with the creation of sky it was then Meade seven but what about the order that too from a verse not ur knowledge November 2 at 6:46am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Naqash Ahmed, if you can do better feel free to produce the evidence supporting the Sunnah. November 2 at 6:59am Like 1

Aymen Michael The earth and the heaven actually came into existence in this way:

41:11 Then He settled to the heaven, while it was still gas, and He said to it, and to the earth: "Come willingly or unwillingly." They said, "We come willingly." November 2 at 7:16am Like

Saeed Talpur Naqash Ahmed You have only sent your scape goat Mufti Sahib here why don't you come forward and prove the Sunnah from the Quran? November 2 at 8:02am Like

Mufti Taha Khan Here everyone here !!!!! He and other people are seeing u lose miserably ... Khidr wanted a verse that states follow prophet... I have to him where Allah said if u loveAllah then follow me... Here it's general so no specifics that a Nabi or rasool... So khidr now has to provide an ayah that clearly stated the difference that if its beside the message or if he is a Nabi then don't follow him... Surah tahreem does not prove so because Allah corrected him... And everything else that prophet did Allah never corrected ! So he has to provide a clear cut verse and he ran away November 2 at 8:10am via mobile Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Aymen.. U know better that dosent answer the question cuz Allah said to both are u gonna come willingly or not... Meaning they were both already created but the question rather is which one was created first.. And to prove that u need a CLEAR verse... So far no clear verse is found November 2 at 8:12am via mobile Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Talpuri dosent even know what he is trying to prove : earlier he said everything the prophet said was to be accepted until he died and then he said no only message accept besides that don't accept like his father khidr has said November 2 at 8:13am via mobile Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Everyone get together and show us the clear sequence of what was created first and then what second November 2 at 8:14am via mobile Like 1

Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan WERE THE EARTH AND HEAVENS CREATED IN SIX DAYS OR EIGHT DAYS? November 2 at 8:28am Like

Saeed Talpur Chapter 41 Explained in detail Fussilat: Verse 9 Say: Is it that ye deny Him Who created the earth in two Days? And do ye join equals with Him? He is the Lord of (all) the Worlds. Chapter 41 Explained in detail Fussilat: Verse 10 He set on the (earth), mountains standing firm, high above it, and bestowed blessings on the earth, and measure therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in four Days, in accordance with (the needs of) those who seek (Sustenance). Chapter 41 Explained in detail Fussilat: Verse 11 Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) smoke: He said to it and to the earth: "Come ye together, willingly or unwillingly." They said: "We do come (together), in willing obedience." Chapter 41 Explained in detail Fussilat: Verse 12

So He completed them as seven firmaments in two Days, and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command. And We adorned the lower heaven with lights, and (provided it) with guard. Such is the Decree of (Him) the Exalted in Might, Full of Knowledge. November 2 at 8:34am Like

Rohail Waseem 2/142 Soon the fools among the people would say: What had made them revert from their Qiblah (Direction of Belief) which they were attached to. Say: To Allah belong the East and the West. He guides whom He thinks proper to Sirat-al-Mustaqim. November 2 at 8:36am Like 1

Aymen Michael Mufti, 4 things are mentioned also the creation of the things on the earth, which took 4 days. Come willingly to where? In existance of course. November 2 at 10:06am Edited Like

Aymen Michael Mohammad, yes. Kind of like as a Christian you only had to follow Jesus and not the Pope. They created many lies about Jesus, also about Muhammad. And many believe them, it's crazy. November 2 at 9:59am Edited Like

Aymen Michael What does following the prophet mean? Does it mean eating like he does? Does it mean having the same number of wives as he has? Does it mean claiming to be a messenger from God like he did?

Or does it mean to be a follower of him, like the disciples were followers of Christ, listen to his teaching, learn from him and follow his religion? November 2 at 10:02am Like

Aymen Michael The whole idea of having a ''perfect'' example and trying to live like this particular person is taghut. Islam is submission to Allah, not submission to another human being. Many people who call themselves muslims have forgotten this. November 2 at 10:04am Like

Aymen Michael Mufti, 4 things are mentioned also the creation on the things on the earth, which took 4 days. November 2 at 10:06am Like

Khidr Amari Taha Ahmad, what was the teaching of our Prophet Muhammad? November 2 at 10:35am Like

Khidr Amari If your not willing to put up or shut up please stand back and let the real beleivers execute the real teachings of our Prophet do what we need to do to spread Islam. November 2 at 10:36am Like

Aymen Michael Taha Ahmad. If Muhammad himself did not want his teachings written down, but they got written down anyways, why should we follow them? Should we trust the information written down by people disobeying the Messenger? If Muhammad believed we had to follow his teachings outside of the Quran, why did he order the people to burn anything they wrote down of him, outside of the Quran? This act actually shows he did not want anything of him remaining except the Quran, because that is all that is needed for Islam. November 2 at 11:11am Edited Like 1

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan said Point 1 "Here everyone here !!!!! He and other people are seeing u lose miserably ... Khidr wanted a verse that states follow prophet... I have to him where Allah said if u loveAllah then follow me... Here it's general so no specifics that a Nabi or rasool... So khidr now has to provide an ayah that clearly stated the difference that if its beside the message or if he is a Nabi then don't follow him... Surah tahreem does not prove so because Allah corrected him... And everything else that prophet did Allah never corrected ! So he has to provide a clear cut verse and he ran away" @Mufti, once again you can't produce the ayat that says to follow the Prophet. Its not a general statement at all its a directive to follow him, who is him, the Prophet Muhammad. How can we follow the human side of the Prophet prone to error? He was corrected by Allah committing sins, mistakes as a Prophet but never as a Messenger. This is why Allah never says to follow the Prophet but always says follow the Messenger. Yes, he was both a Prophet and Rasul but the Rasul is higher status than the Nabi because the Nabi role represents the humaness side of Muhammad again prone to error. The Rasul role represents Allah's agent he speaks from the authority of Allah. When he speaks as a Messenger he is speaking Allah's Words so this is why Allah says to obey the Messenger, follow the Messenger because its the message that links us to the One who sent him. Its the message he is conveying to the people that has to be obeyed. Thus, even the Prophet Muhammad himself had to obey then follow the message he delievered. So this is the difference between the Rasul and the Nabi he was corrected as the Nabi/Prophet because of the sins/mistakes he committed but never corrected as the role of the Messenger. Know the difference. I see this is why Mufti its

impossible for you to produce the ayat that says clearly to follow the Nabi/Prophet because there is no ayat that says to follow the Nabi/Prophet this would also entail following his personal speech versus following the Wahi/Divine Revelation. There is a clear distinction between the Nabi/Prophet speech which represent his human side again that made mistakes and the Wahi/Divine Revelation which the people had to be attentive to according to the Qur'an. Know the difference. November 2 at 11:25am Like 1

Khidr Amari Point 2: What does it mean to follow the Messenger? One thing for sure Mufti Taha Khan you have FAILED miserably being able to provide or produce one ayat, just one ayat to my four points below. PRODUCE ONE VERSE IN AL QUR'AN THAT SAYS EITHER ONE OF THE FOLLOWING: (1) We are suppose to follow Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by NAME or... (2) We will get guidance from Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by NAME or (3) We are suppose to believe in Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by NAME ? or (4) Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) was revealed or sent down (nazala) to Muhammad by NAME? Hence, there is no ayat with the name that says to follow ==> Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by NAME <== No Sunni or Shite can answer these simple points. Yet, its amazing because Millata Ibrahim is mention by Name along with Sunnatu Allah (Allah's Sunnah) but no Prophet's Sunnah or Hadith how interesting. Key points: Allah says,

"Say: If ye do love Allah, fa-ittabin (Follow me): Allah will love you and forgive you sins." [Qur'n 3:31] And He who obeys the Messenger has indeed obeyed Allaah . . . [al-Nisaa 4:80] Keeping it in context the Qur'an explains itself, Allah's call is one single call and the Messengers who brings the message is one message. It didn't start with the Prophet Muhammad. The Arabic word atwiou means to obey and this comes first then comes the Arabic word ittibaa means to follow. We cannot follow without obedience. The Arabic word ittibaa that means to follow is a concept which should be well overstood and well researched. What does it mean to ittibaa/follow? Does ittibaa/follow mean to follow the messenger in all his 1) private matters and 2) hobbies Does ittibaa/follow mean to follow the messenger when he committed mistakes and we should do the same and so on? Mufti you have been indoctrinated to believe that Obey the Messenger or to 'follow the Messenger' means to follow Hadith of Sahih Bukhari and company and I know its hard to digest this. Is this not extreme to obey a human being when Allah tells us not to make any distinctions from His Prophets? Allah says no Prophet would come and say be a worshiper but they would call to the worship of Allah. We are told not to make any distinctions between Allah's Prophets: The Apostle believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in Allah, His angels, His books, and His apostles. "We make no nufarriqu (distinction) between one and another of His (Allah's) apostles." And they say: "We hear, and we obey: (We seek) Thy forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys." [2:285] Say ye: "We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no nufarriqu (distinction) between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam)." [2:136]

 Qul Say, m (not) kuntu (I am) bid'an (a new one) mina (among) lrusuli (the Messengers) I have no idea what will happen to me or to you. I only follow what is revealed to me. I am no more than a profound warner." [46:9] November 2 at 12:06pm Edited Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan I'm so happy u guys type so much non scence... And yet don't answer my question from Quran ... November 2 at 11:39am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Point 3: He who obeys the Messenger has indeed obeyed Allaah . . . [al-Nisaa 4:80] I cannot imagine for one second that a great man like the Prophet Muhammad went around telling people to literally be like him in his personal life. Allah says in Surah 3:31, Say: "If ye do love Allah, fa-ittabin (then follow me): Allah will love you and forgive you your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." Now, Allah says, Say: "If ye do love Allah, fa-ittabin (then follow me). Would Allah send any Prophet to tell his people to: 1) to look him, 2) act like him, 3) dress like him, 4) think like him, 4) eat like him, 5) sleep like him, 6) drink like him, 7) urinate like him make love like him 9) stand like him 10 walk like him 11) brush our teeth like him 12) take off our shoes like him

Allah says, "Those who yattabina (follow) the apostle, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, wa-ittaba (and follow) nra (the light) which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper." Surah 7:157 ==> So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, wa-ittaba (and follow) nra (the light) which is sent down with him Allah says clearly, So those who believe in him and respect him and support him and follow the light which was send down with him are the successful ones. Hence, the LIGHT that was sent down with him is the Book of Allah, the Quran alone. Now before we can ittibaa the Prophet Muhammad we have to atwiou which means to obey. In Surah 36:20, Allah says, Then there came running, from the farthest part of the City, a man saying "O my people! ittabi (follow) the messengers: In Surah 36:21 Allah says, " ittabi (follow) those who ask no reward of you (for themselves), and who have themselves received Guidance. Again, 'obey the messengers' or 'follow the messenger' is dual/plural and not uniquely given to the Prophet Muhammad alone. Also in Surah 3:55, Allah says, Behold! Allah said: "O Isa! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who ittabaka (followed) you superior to those who reject Faith, to the Day of Resurrection; then shall ye all return unto Me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute." ==> I will make those who ittabaka (followed) you superior to those who reject Faith Did Prophet Isa have a Hadith and Sunnah of their own also because his people had to obey/follow Prophet Isa?

In Surah 6:90 Allah says, Those were the (prophets) who received Allah's guidance..." Allah says, "Indeed there has come to you from Allah nrun (a Light) and a Clear Book. bihi (With it) Allah guides whoever ittabaa (follows) His good pleasure to the ways of peace and brings them out from the darkness into the light by His permission..." corresponds to Surah 7-157 ==> Allah guides whoever ittabaa (follows) Allah says the Prophet Muhammad had to follow that which was REVEALED to him: "Say: "I tell you not that with me are the Treasures of Allah, nor do I know what is hidden, nor do I tell you I am an angel. I attabiu (follow) what is revealed to me." Say: "Can the blind be held equal to the seeing?" Will ye then consider not?" [6:50] ==> I attabiu (follow) what is revealed to me. "Say, "I am not different from other messengers, I have no idea what will happen to me or to you. I only follow what is revealed to me. I am no more than a profound warner." [46:9] ==> I only follow what is revealed to me "And when thou bringest not a verse for them they say: Why hast thou not chosen it? Say: I follow only that which is inspired in me from my Lord. This is insight from your Lord, and a guidance and a mercy for a people that believe. And when the QURAN is recited, give ear to it and pay heed, that ye may obtain mercy." [7:203-204] ==> I follow only that which is inspired in me from my Lord. "When Our Clear Signs are recited to them, those who do not expect to meet Us say, Bring a Quran other than this one or change it. Say: It is not for me to change it of my own accord. attabi'u (I follow) nothing except what is revealed to me. I fear, were I to disobey my Lord, the punishment of a Dreadful Day." 10/15 ==> attabi'u (I follow) nothing except what is revealed to me. Again and again the Prophet Muhammad is instructed to say, "I only follow what is revealed to me." So its obvious that the Prophet Muhammad is not following his own Hadith or Sunnah in which they assert or led to believe. The Prophet

Muhammad is following the same revelation that was revealed to him which was the Qur'an. Allah says when people like you Mufti and other Sunnis who don't use your reasoning and probably was born into the faith by your parents you are following what your fathers followed: "When they are told, Follow what Allah has sent down to you, They say, We are following what we found our fathers doing. What, even though their fathers did not understand a thing and were not guided!" 2/170 ==> Follow what Allah has sent down to you When Isa ibn Maryam had his troubles with those he was sent to he asked who will assist in the way of Allah. Some of his companions responded and said they are the helpers of Allah and they believe in Allah and they submitted and obeyed. "When Isa perceived their unbelief he asked: "Who will help me in the way of Allah?" "We," the disciples answered, "shall be the helpers of Allah. We believe in Allah; and you be our witness that we submit and obey. Our Lord, we have iman in what You have sent down waittabaana (and have followed) the Messenger, so write us down among the witnesses." 3/52-53 ==> Our Lord, we have iman in what You have sent down waittabaana (and have followed) the Messenger Did Prophet Isa followers follow him according to Hadith and Sunnah books outside of Scripture and notice it doesn't say and followed the Nabi/Prophet it says 'AND FOLLOWED THE MESSENGER'. November 2 at 12:08pm Edited Like

Mufti Taha Khan Talpuri still has to make up his mind what the hell is he supporting.. That everything is acceptable when he was living or nothing beside message is acceptable... November 2 at 11:40am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan Khidr has a bug up his butt I tool him bu the hand and showed him verses... Also Allah said if I like Allah then follow ME meaning prophet... Here it's not specified Nabi or rasool something he has a problem with November 2 at 11:41am via mobile Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan So now what do u say about this verse November 2 at 11:41am via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan ????? November 2 at 11:41am via mobile Like

Aymen Michael Your question on what was created first the earth or the heaven? I have no clue. ''In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth'' November 2 at 11:46am Like 1

Aymen Michael Mufti, he actually answered you. November 2 at 11:49am Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Ok thank u.. Atleast ur honest... There are different tafasir on it.... But who answered me and what answer did he give

U were smashed so now ur supporting someone else funny... So who answered me and how??? November 2 at 11:59am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Point 4 Allah says about Prophet Shu'aib: "The chiefs who had disbelieved from among his people then said, `If itabatum (you follow) Shu`aib you shall then, truly be the losers.' ==> `If itabatum (you follow) Shu`aib you shall then, truly be the losers.' Allah says about Prophet Harun: walaqad (And verily) qla ((had said) lahum (to them) Harun before yqawmi ("O my people!) Only you are being tested by it and indeed your Lord is the Most Gracious fa-ittabin (so follow me) wa-a (and obey) amr (my order). They said never will we cease being devoited to it until returns to us Musa. He said O Harun! What prevented you when you saw them going astray, that not tattabiani (you follow me). Then you have disobeyed my ord." 20/91-93 Just like the Prophet Muhammad said, ""Say: If ye do love Allah, fa-ittabin (Follow me): Allah will love you and forgive you sins." [Qur'n 3:31] And He who obeys the Messenger has indeed obeyed Allaah . . . [al-Nisaa 4:80] Again this is not unique to our Prophet Muhammad in any way Prophet Harun came with the same Message with Prophet Musa telling their people to obey/follow them as Messengers. ==> yqawmi ("O my people!) Only you are being tested by it and indeed your Lord is the Most Gracious fa-ittabin (so follow me) wa-a (and obey) amr (my order). We have another ayat telling us clearly that the Messengers call not the Prophets but Messengers call is One Message:

Allah says, "And warn mankind of a day when the doom will come upon them, and those who did wrong will say: Our Lord! Reprieve us for a little while. We will dawataka (obey Thy call) wanattabii (and will follow) the messengers. (It will be answered): Did ye not swear before that there would be no end for you?" Surah 14:44 ==> We will dawataka (obey Thy call) wanattabii (and will follow) the messengers. <== Again, and again and again Mufi has been refuted and exposed because he's so stuck on the Hadith that he does not read the Qur'an CAREFULLY. There is no single ayat telling the prophets of old followers to follow the Prophets but always to follow the Messengers. Just because Prophet Muhammad said 'follow me' or 'obey me' is not unique just to him and it does not call us to follow his personal alleged sayings/actions. Its always been the same unique directive to obey/follow the One and Only Message revealed through the Scriptures through their Prophets once conveyed to the people they are messengers. A good example of this again is when Allah addresses Prophet Muhammad as "Nabi/Prophet' which differentiated between him as a 'Messenger' because even Muhammad/the Prophet had to follow again what was revealed to him which was the Message/the Qur'an. yayyuh Nabi (O you prophet), you shall reverence Allah and do not obey the disbelievers and the hypocrites. Allah is Omniscient, Most Wise. wa-ittabi (And follow) what y (is revealed) to you from your Lord. Allah is fully Cognizant of everything you all do. And put your trust in Allah". 33/1-3 ==> yayyuh Nabi (O you prophet) ==> wa-ittabi (And follow) what y (is revealed) to you from your Lord November 2 at 12:14pm Edited Like 1

Aymen Michael Excuse me who was smashed? You asking me a question and me not knowing the answer means I am smashed? November 2 at 12:05pm Like 1

Khidr Amari Mufti, once again your SMASHED with the Book of Allah either you believe it or you don't take it or leave it. November 2 at 12:12pm Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Khidrs answer: he have three points and all three are saying that he is Nabi and he is prone to make mistakes because Allah corrected him...... I said to him way before that if he was not to be followed then why didn't Allah tell him off for the thousands of things he did beside the things Allah corrected him for???????????? November 2 at 12:12pm via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan Then when I showed the clear verse that Allah says follow him without making it clear rasool or prophet then if he is taking it to mean rasool that's an addition from his pocket !!!! November 2 at 12:15pm via mobile Like

Aymen Michael Muhammad is to be followed, but following someone does not mean being a copycat. You follow him in being a monotheist and submitting to the message he brought. November 2 at 12:15pm Edited Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Also then why does Allah tell us to follow the PATH of the NABI????

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Khidr Amari lol redundant he was corrected and provided the proof that as a Nabi/Prophet he was corrected in the Qur'an, in the very recital he conveyed to the people. He was corrected in the very message he was as a Prophet was told to follow. Again, Mufti Taha Khan you don't have the ayat telling us to follow his personal speech or sunnah. Your running out of excuses. November 2 at 12:16pm Like 1

Khidr Amari No where in the Qur'an does Allah ever say to follow Muhammad, the Prophet, Isa, Musa....they are always addressed as 'Messengers' because as Messengers they are representatives of Allah speaking for Allah as Nabi/Prophets they are human beings all capable of mistakes, error. November 2 at 12:19pm Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Khidr : when I say follow someone... It means follow what he does...... November 2 at 12:19pm via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan, so what did the Prophet Muhammad follow? November 2 at 12:20pm Like 1

Aymen Michael Because the Path of the Nabi is the Millat Ibrahim, monotheism.

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Khidr Amari Allah says the Prophet Muhammad had to follow that which was REVEALED to him: "Say: "I tell you not that with me are the Treasures of Allah, nor do I know what is hidden, nor do I tell you I am an angel. I attabiu (follow) what is revealed to me." Say: "Can the blind be held equal to the seeing?" Will ye then consider not?" [6:50] ==> I attabiu (follow) what is revealed to me. "Say, "I am not different from other messengers, I have no idea what will happen to me or to you. I only follow what is revealed to me. I am no more than a profound warner." [46:9] ==> I only follow what is revealed to me "And when thou bringest not a verse for them they say: Why hast thou not chosen it? Say: I follow only that which is inspired in me from my Lord. This is insight from your Lord, and a guidance and a mercy for a people that believe. And when the QURAN is recited, give ear to it and pay heed, that ye may obtain mercy." [7:203-204] ==> I follow only that which is inspired in me from my Lord. "When Our Clear Signs are recited to them, those who do not expect to meet Us say, Bring a Quran other than this one or change it. Say: It is not for me to change it of my own accord. attabi'u (I follow) nothing except what is revealed to me. I fear, were I to disobey my Lord, the punishment of a Dreadful Day." 10/15 ==> attabi'u (I follow) nothing except what is revealed to me. Again and again the Prophet Muhammad is instructed to say, "I only follow what is revealed to me." So its obvious that the Prophet Muhammad is not following his own Hadith or Sunnah in which they assert or led to believe. The Prophet Muhammad is following the same revelation that was revealed to him which was the Qur'an. November 2 at 12:20pm Like 1

Aymen Michael Mufti, do you ride a camel? November 2 at 12:20pm Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan His philosophies the end!! : watch everyone....!!!!! Khidr : what does uswah mean in Arabic? ?..... November 2 at 12:20pm via mobile Like

Aymen Michael Have you married a 6 year old girl? November 2 at 12:20pm Like 1

Khidr Amari First answer my question Mufti Taha Khan its in Qur'an that Allah tells the Prophet to follow what was revealed to him...... Allah says the Prophet Muhammad had to follow that which was REVEALED to him: "Say: "I tell you not that with me are the Treasures of Allah, nor do I know what is hidden, nor do I tell you I am an angel. I attabiu (follow) what is revealed to me." Say: "Can the blind be held equal to the seeing?" Will ye then consider not?" [6:50] ==> I attabiu (follow) what is revealed to me. "Say, "I am not different from other messengers, I have no idea what will happen to me or to you. I only follow what is revealed to me. I am no more than a profound warner." [46:9]

==> I only follow what is revealed to me "And when thou bringest not a verse for them they say: Why hast thou not chosen it? Say: I follow only that which is inspired in me from my Lord. This is insight from your Lord, and a guidance and a mercy for a people that believe. And when the QURAN is recited, give ear to it and pay heed, that ye may obtain mercy." [7:203-204] ==> I follow only that which is inspired in me from my Lord. "When Our Clear Signs are recited to them, those who do not expect to meet Us say, Bring a Quran other than this one or change it. Say: It is not for me to change it of my own accord. attabi'u (I follow) nothing except what is revealed to me. I fear, were I to disobey my Lord, the punishment of a Dreadful Day." 10/15 ==> attabi'u (I follow) nothing except what is revealed to me. Again and again the Prophet Muhammad is instructed to say, "I only follow what is revealed to me." So its obvious that the Prophet Muhammad is not following his own Hadith or Sunnah in which they assert or led to believe. The Prophet Muhammad is following the same revelation that was revealed to him which was the Qur'an. so what did the Prophet Muhammad follow? November 2 at 12:22pm Like 2

Mufti Taha Khan What I will prove ? 1 : Allah uses both Nabi and rasool for the prophet not looking at is it the message he saying so right now he a messenger otherwise a Nabi 2 : he is to be followed in daily life

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Mufti Taha Khan So khidr and crew !!! What does uswah mean

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Khidr Amari Answer my question November 2 at 12:24pm Like

Khidr Amari First answer my question Mufti Taha Khan its in Qur'an that Allah tells the Prophet to follow what was revealed to him...... Allah says the Prophet Muhammad had to follow that which was REVEALED to him: "Say: "I tell you not that with me are the Treasures of Allah, nor do I know what is hidden, nor do I tell you I am an angel. I attabiu (follow) what is revealed to me." Say: "Can the blind be held equal to the seeing?" Will ye then consider not?" [6:50] ==> I attabiu (follow) what is revealed to me. "Say, "I am not different from other messengers, I have no idea what will happen to me or to you. I only follow what is revealed to me. I am no more than a profound warner." [46:9] ==> I only follow what is revealed to me "And when thou bringest not a verse for them they say: Why hast thou not chosen it? Say: I follow only that which is inspired in me from my Lord. This is insight from your Lord, and a guidance and a mercy for a people that believe. And when the QURAN is recited, give ear to it and pay heed, that ye may obtain mercy." [7:203-204] ==> I follow only that which is inspired in me from my Lord. "When Our Clear Signs are recited to them, those who do not expect to meet Us say, Bring a Quran other than this one or change it. Say: It is not for me to change it of my own accord. attabi'u (I follow) nothing except what is revealed to me. I fear, were I to disobey my Lord, the punishment of a Dreadful Day." 10/15 ==> attabi'u (I follow) nothing except what is revealed to me.

Again and again the Prophet Muhammad is instructed to say, "I only follow what is revealed to me." So its obvious that the Prophet Muhammad is not following his own Hadith or Sunnah in which they assert or led to believe. The Prophet Muhammad is following the same revelation that was revealed to him which was the Qur'an. so what did the Prophet Muhammad follow? November 2 at 12:24pm Like 1

Khidr Amari We dealing with the Book of Allah clearly telling us that the Prophet said I ONLY FOLLOW WHAT WAS REVEALED TO ME.....what did the Prophet Muhammad follow? Mufti Taha Khan answer the question November 2 at 12:24pm Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan And aymen !!!! Khidr And talpuri were smarter then u, that's why they ran from the question of which was created first? Cuz it's a contradiction on Quran that only mug addition explain November 2 at 12:25pm via mobile Like

Aymen Michael Are you a kafir? You just said the Quran contradicted itself. November 2 at 12:26pm Like 1

Khidr Amari Whatever Mufti Taha Khan stick to the point I don't engage in jumping SHIP you don't answer questions but want to ask all the questions. What did the Prophet follow?

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Khidr Amari Note every one who is reading this Mufti Taha Khan does not ANSWER QUESTIONS this is typical Sunni behavior November 2 at 12:27pm Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Ur so stupid... Yes the prophet follows what was revealed to him ... Meaning he dosent follow his desires telling kuffar that this is revelation that comes to me.... November 2 at 12:27pm via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan But I wanna use the Quran so first tell me what uswah means November 2 at 12:27pm via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Note: To every one when trapped and dumbfounded because of the question not being able to be answered Mufti Taha Khan resorts to insults and name calling. November 2 at 12:28pm Like 1

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan thank you so you said, ". Yes the prophet follows what was revealed to him" so its fair and can be proven without a doubt that it is the Qur'an ALONE that was revealed to the Prophet? November 2 at 12:28pm Like 1

Khidr Amari Say, Are there of shurakikum (your partners) any who yahd (guides) to aqi (the truth)? Say, Allah yahd (guides) lilaqqi (to the truth). So is He who yahd (guides) to aqi (the truth) more worthy that yuttabaa (he should be followed) or he who guides not ill (unless) yuhd (he is guided)? Then what is with you how do takumna (you judge)? 10/35 November 2 at 12:36pm Edited Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Wow.... The prophet only follows what has been revealed to him... Correct we believe that to, where ur brain stops working is that everything revealed to him HAS to be in the Quran, according to us THERE WeRE THINGs ThAT WERE RevEAlED TO HIM THST ARE NOT IN The QURAN.... Why do we say that.... Because in Surah tahreem Allah says that the NABI told some of his wives a secret and when one of them told the other Allah informed him ..... What Allah told him that's not mentioned in the Quran ... This proves that Allah used to reveal to the prophet things that ARE NOT IN the Quran Also another verse : Allah says that they will say thatwhat has turned the people away from the qiblah they used to face....... What qiblah is he talking about???? November 2 at 12:38pm via mobile Like 2

Mufti Taha Khan So now I just proved to u from Quran that it dosent have to be in Quran for it to be a message from Allah!!!! And what qiblah did the Muslims follow???? November 2 at 12:41pm via mobile Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan I will divide the questions : for aymen.... I'll answer u buddy but what does uswah mean? November 2 at 12:43pm via mobile Like 1

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan said, " Wow.... The prophet only follows what has been revealed to him... Correct we believe that to, where ur brain stops working is that everything revealed to him HAS to be in the Quran, according to us THERE WeRE THINGs ThAT WERE RevEAlED TO HIM THST ARE NOT IN The QURAN..." @Mufti, claims to believe that the Qur'an was revealed but it shows that he's just not satisfied with the Qur'an alone by his statement: "where ur brain stops working is that everything revealed to him HAS to be in the Quran, according to us THERE WeRE THINGs ThAT WERE RevEAlED TO HIM THST ARE NOT IN The QURAN..." This is an assumption he has no proof what so ever indicating that other Divine Revelations were revealed to him that were supposed to be conveyed to the people. If he witheld information he would not have done his job as a messenger. As any one reading Mufti baseless claims he has NO Bayyinat (Clear Evidence) from Qur'an to back his conjecture. Allah says: "And thus have We revealed to you an Arabic Quran, <auhaina_ ilaika qur a_nan arabiy yan> that you may warn the mother city and those around it, and that you may give warning of the day of gathering together wherein is no doubt; a party shall be in the garden and (another) party in the burning fire." (42:7) "Say: I follow only that which is inspired in me from my Sustainer. This (Qur'an) is insight from your Sustainer, and a guidance and a mercy for a people that believe. And when the Qur'an is recited, give ear to it and pay heed, that ye may obtain mercy." (7:203-204) "And this Quran has been revealed to me <u_hiya ilayya ha_zal qur'a_n> that with it I may warn you and whomsoever it reaches" (6:19) This we know without a doubt it was the Qur'an ALONE revealed to the Prophet. Mufti said, "Why do we say that.... Because in Surah tahreem Allah says that the NABI told some of his wives a secret and when one of them told the other Allah

informed him ..... What Allah told him that's not mentioned in the Quran ... This proves that Allah used to reveal to the prophet things that ARE NOT IN the Quran" @Mufti again this is asummption, conjecture, guesswork to say that what the Prophet told his wives was Divine revelation Allah does not say what was between Allah, the Prophet and his wives was Wahi/Divine Revelation. This does not prove that the Prophet Muhammad was given other Wahi/Divine Revelation outside of the Qur'an primarily that was supposed to be conveyed to the people. Allah makes it clear that what was revealed to the Prophet was meant to be CONVEYED. Whatever Allah speaks of that wasn't conveyed to the people was not meant to be conveyed and it wasn't Wahi/Divine Revelation for Aalamin (for the worlds). Allah says, O Messenger! Proclaim which has been sent down to you from your Lord. And if you do not, then you have not conveyed His Message. Allah will protect you from mankind. Verily, Allah guides not the people who disbelieve. 5/67 .==> And if you do not, then you have not conveyed His Message. Mufti continues to bring conjecture instead of evidence to back his claim. November 2 at 1:22pm Edited Like 1

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Mufti Taha Khan Again khidr.... All I'm proving is that Allah send him messages wether it's meant for guidance or not according to u to the prophet... Meaning In a state of him being a Nabi Allah tells him things we are not aware of ... Correct from this ayah or no so far? The bigger question is coming after u answer some common ground questions November 2 at 1:25pm via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan I'm proving that the prophet when he is Nabi according to u... Gets messages and is guided by Allah wether or not its guidance to u or not... To us everything is guidance in the Quran.... Not according to you because just now u said Allah dosent say what was between him and wives were revelation... If everything was for us in the Quran why then is Allah talking tot he prophet in matters that are not related to us November 2 at 1:30pm via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan Again ... My proof... That Allah conveys to him things that are not clear to us meaning in a state of being a Nabi in his normal day activities November 2 at 1:31pm via mobile Like

Mufti Taha Khan Do we agree here ? If not then why November 2 at 1:32pm via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan said, " Wow.... The prophet only follows what has been revealed to him... Correct we believe that to, where ur brain stops working is that everything revealed to him HAS to be in the Quran, according to us THERE WeRE THINGs ThAT WERE RevEAlED TO HIM THST ARE NOT IN The QURAN..." @Mufti, claims to believe that the Qur'an was revealed but it shows that he's just not satisfied with the Qur'an alone by his statement: "where ur brain stops working is that everything revealed to him HAS to be in the Quran, according to us THERE WeRE THINGs ThAT WERE RevEAlED TO HIM THST ARE NOT IN The QURAN..."

This is an assumption he has no proof what so ever indicating that other Divine Revelations were revealed to him that were supposed to be conveyed to the people. If he witheld information he would not have done his job as a messenger. As any one reading Mufti baseless claims he has NO Bayyinat (Clear Evidence) from Qur'an to back his conjecture. Allah says: "And thus have We revealed to you an Arabic Quran, <auhaina_ ilaika qur a_nan arabiy yan> that you may warn the mother city and those around it, and that you may give warning of the day of gathering together wherein is no doubt; a party shall be in the garden and (another) party in the burning fire." (42:7) "Say: I follow only that which is inspired in me from my Sustainer. This (Qur'an) is insight from your Sustainer, and a guidance and a mercy for a people that believe. And when the Qur'an is recited, give ear to it and pay heed, that ye may obtain mercy." (7:203-204) "And this Quran has been revealed to me <u_hiya ilayya ha_zal qur'a_n> that with it I may warn you and whomsoever it reaches" (6:19) This we know without a doubt it was the Qur'an ALONE revealed to the Prophet. Mufti said, "Why do we say that.... Because in Surah tahreem Allah says that the NABI told some of his wives a secret and when one of them told the other Allah informed him ..... What Allah told him that's not mentioned in the Quran ... This proves that Allah used to reveal to the prophet things that ARE NOT IN the Quran" @Mufti again this is asummption, conjecture, guesswork to say that what the Prophet told his wives was Divine revelation Allah does not say what was between Allah, the Prophet and his wives was Wahi/Divine Revelation. This does not prove that the Prophet Muhammad was given other Wahi/Divine Revelation outside of the Qur'an primarily that was supposed to be conveyed to the people. Allah makes it clear that what was revealed to the Prophet was meant to be CONVEYED. Whatever Allah speaks of that wasn't conveyed to the people was not meant to be conveyed and it wasn't Wahi/Divine Revelation for Aalamin (for the worlds). Allah says, O Messenger! Proclaim which has been sent down to you from your Lord. And if you do not, then you have not conveyed His Message. Allah will protect you from mankind. Verily, Allah guides not the people who disbelieve. 5/67 .==> And if you do not, then you have not conveyed His Message.

O Messenger! Proclaim which has been sent down to you from your Lord. And if you do not, then you have not conveyed His Message. Allah will protect you from mankind. Verily, Allah guides not the people who disbelieve. 5/67 "The duty of the Messenger is nothing but to convey (the Message). And Allah knows all that you reveal and all that you conceal." 5/99 "Say: "Obey Allah and obey the Messenger, but if you turn away, he is only responsible for the duty placed on him and you for that placed on you. If you obey him, you shall be on the right guidance. The Messenger's duty is only to convey (the message) in a clear way." 24/54 "And if you deny, then nations before you have denied (their Messengers). And the duty of the Messenger is only to convey (the Message) plainly." 29/18 "Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger; but if you turn away, then the duty of Our Messenger is only to convey (the Message) clearly." 64/12 "Obey Allah and obey the Apostle; but if you turn away, then Our Apostles duty is only to communicate in clear terms." 64/12 "So proclaim of what tu'maru (you are ordered)..." 15/94 Mufti continues to bring conjecture instead of evidence to back his claim. November 2 at 1:33pm Like 1

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan said, "I'm proving that the prophet when he is Nabi according to u... Gets messages and is guided by Allah wether or not its guidance to u or not... To us everything is guidance in the Quran.... Not according to you because just now u said Allah dosent say what was between him and wives were revelation... If everything was for us in the Quran why then is Allah talking tot he prophet in matters that are not related to us" Again, Mufti it doesn't matter as a Prophet he was given information that's redundant Allah did not make it his responsibility to convey it openly. If this wasn't the case it wasn't Wahi/Divine Revelation and it wasn't for us to know. Simple. Also if you want to make the case Allah uses the same word he used in Surah 53/1-4 "wayun" / revelation Allah uses it in Surah 16/18 for the bee:

Allah says, "By the evidence of the star when it goes down. Your companion does not err, nor does he go astray; Nor does he speak out of desire. It is naught but wayun (revelation) that is revealed." "wa-aw (And inspired) your Lord to the bees, saying: "Take you habitations in the mountains and in the trees and in what they erect." 16/18 Are we to say that now since the Bee was given revelation to the bee are Prophets of Allah? Nah, Your point is pointless and futile. The information the Prophet received that is conveyed to us in Wahi/Divine Revelation is between the Prophet and Allah. It doesn't have anything to do with us in terms of open revelation from Qur'an he was suppose to convey. November 2 at 1:51pm Edited Like 1

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan notice all I do is present Qur'an take a serious look at your post what do you present? November 2 at 1:43pm Like 2

Mufti Taha Khan My friend wether its an ant or a bee... What I'm saying is that Allah told him things that we are unaware of...... Yes or no November 2 at 2:19pm via mobile Like 1

Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan Allah told him also showed him things which we are unaware of because it was between God and his messenger. Prophet only delivered what God inspired to him for our guidance and that was the Quran. Yes or No. November 2 at 6:49pm Like

Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan Rehaan Waseem, Osman Azhar, Faraaz Merchant, Shaan Syed, Sammy Hossain, Ibrahim Kaleem Seyed, Abul Qaasim, Faridah Omar, Nasteha Xaji, Mohammed Samir Wahid, Abukumar Mazimpaka. Before reading any Hadith keep these verses in your mind. Allah will guide you. Insha Allah AND HAD HE ATTRIBUTED ANYTHING FALSELY TO US 69:43 A revelation from the Lord of the worlds. 69:44 And had he attributed anything falsely to Us. 69:45 We would have seized him by the right. 69:46 Then, We would have severed his life-line. 69:47 None of you would be able to prevent it. AND THEY NEARLY DIVERTED YOU FROM WHAT WE INSPIRED TO YOU 17:73 And they nearly diverted you from what We inspired to you so that you would fabricate something different against Us, and then they would have taken you as a friend! 17:74 And if We had not made you stand firm, you were about to lean towards them a little bit. 17:75 Then, We would have made you taste double the retribution in this life and double the retribution in death. And then you would not find for yourself any victor against Us. November 2 at 7:10pm Like

Musab Qazi Salam my brothers. I dont want to argue but please listen to me with an open heart because there is no point in a heated argument in which both sides are trying to knock the other out. Allah says in the Quran, Indeed, those who disbelieve in Allah and His messengers and wish to discriminate between Allah and His messengers and say, "We believe in some and disbelieve in others," and wish to adopt a way in between. Those are the disbelievers, truly. And We have prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating punishment. Differentiating between Quran and sunnah is equivalent to kufr. Without ahadith you wouldnt know how

to pray even. Then we could just say that Allah said in the Quran that we must pray and he didn't specify how and so we can pray how we like. Also the sahih ahadith are extremely authentic and there is not the least bit of doubt in them. Allah says in surah najm that the prophets talk, even if it was error, is wahi. Allah made him make those errors so that we could learn what to do when we are in those situations ourselves and other reasons also. And Allah says in the Quran "Say, If you love Allah then follow me, Allah will love you and he will forgive your sins, and Allah is the most forgiving most merciful." So how can we know how to follow the prophet? Allah doesn't mention his everyday life in the Quran. And if you really don't want to believe that, then i know you can give 1 million excuses in the form of ayaat that you think support you so I'm not going to argue. The Muslim ummat is already so divided, please don't divide it more by adding more wrong things. Don't you fear Allah? Trust me, the main thing that is expected from us when we read and understand the Quran is not that we learn to throw verses of Quran at each other and say im right and you are wrong. The point of Islam is not to throw proofs. Allah is witness to who is right and wrong. A person who is adamant, even if given the most obvious proof, won't budge from his theory because of his ego. The point of Quran is that we become humble, develop good character, and observe piety and imaan and that we listen open heartedly to the truth. Judging from your harsh language on your posts, this effect is not in your life. The Quran teaches us to be loving,soft, lenient, and not to argue, not to be harsh and rough in speech and always argue. Please don't misguide yourself and others after you already know Islam. Please try to understand and please excuse me if I have offended you in anyway. Allah guides whomsoever he wants. Wasalam. November 2 at 8:46pm Like 1

Uzair Rauf following the messenger automatically means following the daily actions of the prophet muhammad? not becsuse the quran was being revealed through him over a period of time and the only way to obey the quran would be to follow and subscribe to the messenger? very well, then ill ask the same question ive been asking for the past few days now, where does the quran lead me to these scriptures? November 2 at 10:48pm via mobile Like 1

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4:150 Those who rejected God and His messengers, and they want to make a separation between God and His messengers, and they say: "We believe in some and reject some!" And they desire to take a path in-between. Why dont you read the Quran carefully? Where Does God mention the word Sunnah in verse 4:150? You only quoted the verse out of the context without reading and understanding the above and below verses and claiming that it is talking about the Sunnah. This verse is talking about the Hypocrites who had soft heart for rejecters from the people of book so they said we believe in some verses/parts of the Quran and we reject the other which mention that do not take rejecters as your allies as mentioned in these verse: 4:139 Those who take the rejecters as allies instead of the believers: "Do they seek glory with them?" All glory belongs to God. 4:144 O you who believe, do not take the rejecters as allies instead of the believers. Do you want God to have a reason against you? Same thing repeated in verse 59:11 59:11 Have you noted those who are hypocrites, they say to their brothers who have rejected among the people of the Book: If you are driven out we will go out with you, and we will never obey anyone who opposes you. And if anyone fights you, we will support you. God bears witness that they are liars. WE BELIEVE IN SOME AND REJECT SOME is about the Message of God in the verses of the QURAN. It does not mean Sunnah. So Wake up! Musab Qazi Did the Prophet follow the Quran or something else? IF YOU LOVE GOD THEN FOLLOW ME 3:31 Say: "If you love God then follow me so God will love you and forgive your sins." God is Forgiver, Merciful. I MERELY FOLLOW WHAT IS INSPIRED TO ME 10:15 And when Our clear revelations were recited to them, those who do not wish to meet Us said: "Bring a Qur'an other than this, or change it!" Say: "It is not for me to change it of my own accord, I MERELY FOLLOW WHAT IS INSPIRED TO ME. I fear, if I disobeyed my Lord, the retribution of a great

Day!" 6:50 Say: "I do not say to you that I possess the treasures of God, nor do I know the future, nor do I say to you that I am an angel. I MERELY FOLLOW WHAT IS INSPIRED TO ME." Say: "Are the blind and the seer the same? Do you not think?" I ONLY FOLLOW WHAT IS INSPIRED TO ME FROM MY LORD 7:203 And because you do not bring them a sign, they say: "If only you had brought one." Say: "I ONLY FOLLOW WHAT IS INSPIRED TO ME FROM MY LORD. This is an evidence from your Lord, and a guide and mercy to a people who believe." I ONLY FOLLOW WHAT IS INSPIRED TO ME 46:9 Say: I am no different from the other messengers, nor do I know what will happen to me or to you. I ONLY FOLLOW WHAT IS INSPIRED TO ME. I am no more than a clear warner. So Musab Qazi What was inspired to Prophet Muhammad? QURAN or Other revelations. 6:21 And who is more wicked than he who invents lies about God, or denies His revelations! The wicked will never succeed. November 2 at 11:14pm Like

Mufti Taha Khan Talpuri : first u accepted that everything the prophet says has to be followed but only till he is alive..... So first make up ur mind please November 2 at 11:51pm via mobile Like 1

Musab Qazi Also then that means that there is no Eid ul Adha nor an Eid ul Fitr and it means that there is no salat ul jumuah because allah never mentions that there is anything special about those days. Allah says that when we are called for the prayer on Jumuah but he doesn't mention anything about a special prayer. For all we know he could have been talking about Fajr. Also it means that if ANYONE, not matter who, even a 5 year old kid steals something, then we would

have to cut off his hand. It also means that islam is just a philosophy, with no specifics on how to lead our day to day life. Yes Prophet SAW followed what was revealed to him, but Quran is not the only thing that is revalation. Each and everything he said or did was revalation as Allah mentions in surah najm. November 3 at 2:01am Like 1

Musab Qazi Oh also how many times a day do muslims pray? (it's not mentioned in to Quran). Also how much zakat are we supposed to give. And how do we know what to do in hajj exactly? Do we just go to the Ka'bah and our hajj is done? Look im not going to try to "prove" you wrong because someone who doesn't want to believe in something can come up with millions of "proofs" if they don't want to believe. But I sure as hell am going to show you exactly how utterly stupid you look. I promise you that you won't be able to answer any one of these questions from the Qur'an correctly. The reason Allah didn't exactly break it down to someone with such low intellect as you that you have to follow what the Prophet said and did by understanding the situation in light of ahadith(because otherwise you will ask why dont I ride a camel and why don't i marry a 6 year old girl) is because he made most (obviously not all) humans with this much intellect that they would understand that you cant follow someone if you don't know a word they said or anything they did specifically in their day to day life November 3 at 2:30am Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Khidr... The point is that u said he is rasool only when he recieves a message from Allah.... So I cracked this philosophy of urs as I showed u that as a Nabi according to u he revealed to him things... So now what does uswah mean? November 3 at 4:58am via mobile Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan And this tells us that he was guided in him being a non rasool meaning Nabi to u which gives us the point of following him in his speech and other things !!!!! So what does uswah mean ??

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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan, what Allah shared with the Prophet Muhammad that we weren't suppose to know is none of our business. Its just that simple. Case in point: Mufti claims that the Prophet Muhammad was given extra information that is not presented to us by the Messenger I don't know what Mufti want to make out of this. Again, it wasn't Wahi/Divine Revelation. If we want to build a case around the Prophet Muhammad being given information besides the Qur'an that was between Allah and His Messenger well we have plenty of other Prophets and all to chose from in Qur'an that Allah did the same thing with them such as: Allah called out to Adam and his wife: "wandhum (And called them both) rabbuhum (their Lord) alam ("Did not) anhakum (I forbid you both)..." 7/22 Prophet Nuh also was given Wahi: "waiya (And it was inspired) il (to) nin (Nuh,)..." 11/36 <== qla (He said,) ynu ("O Nuh!) innahu (Indeed, he) is not of your family." 11/46 Prophet Ibrahim was given inspiration: "ujjatun (That is our argument), which we gave to Ibrahim against his qawmihi (his people.)" 11/26 Prophet Jacob was given inspiration: "And when the caravan parted/went out , their father said: "That I, I find Joseph's smell , unless you prove me wrong ." They said, By Allah! Your mind is still astray. But when the bringer of the good news came, he cast it on his face and sight returned. He said, Did I not say to you before, I know things from Allah you do not know?" 12/94-96 Prophet Yusuf/Joseph was given Wahi: <== "So when they went with him, and agreed to put him in the bottom of the well, wa-awayn (and We inspired) to him, 'Thou shalt tell them of this their doing

when they are unaware." 12/15 Prophet Musa was given Wahi: <== "I am your Lord. Take off your sandals. You are in the holy valley of Tuwa." "And I have chosen you, so listen to what is y (inspired)." 20/12-13 "walaqad (And verily) awayn (We inspired), Moses, 'Journey by night with my servants, and strike out for them a dry road in the sea. Fear not pursuit, nor be afraid!'" 20/77 Prophet Muhammad was given Wahi: <== "By the evidence of the star when it goes down. Your companion does not err, nor does he go astray; Nor does he speak out of desire. It is naught but wayun (revelation) that is revealed." 53/1-4 The Bee was given Wahi: <== "And your Lord wa-aw (inspired) the bees, saying: "Take you habitations in the mountains and in the trees and in what they erect." 16/68 Now we have Prophet Nuh, Yusuf, Musa, Muhammad and the bees all given Wahi does this mean they all came with their own sayings? Allah gave Prophet Muhammad information that was not meant to be conveyed to the people and once again that has nothing to do with us. Allah gave Prophet Jacob information, Ibrahim information, etc. Again, Prophet Muhammad was given the Qur'an alone nothing else. If you say that Wahi/Divine Revelation was not limited to the Qur'an you need to produce the ayat. November 3 at 5:12am Edited Like 1

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan said, Khidr... The point is that u said he is rasool only when he recieves a message from Allah.... So I cracked this philosophy of urs as I showed u that as a Nabi according to u he revealed to him things... So now what does uswah mean? @Mufti what part aren't you understanding you haven't cracked anything other than your continued lack of knowing the Book of Allah. Prove that the Prophet Muhammad received Wahi/Divine Revelations besides Qur'an. I'm not in dispute that the Prophet received other information just like I just showed you how other Prophets were given information Allah didn't mention. That doesn't make it Wahi/Divine Revelation that is supposed to be conveyed to the people.

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Khidr Amari With the other information other Prophets received also proves they to were guided. Uswatun Hasana means/excellent example in Surah 33/21 November 3 at 5:16am Like 1

Khidr Amari @Musab, I suggest you read about what Allah says about those who continue to challenge Allah's Book saying its incomplete. November 3 at 5:17am Like 2

Uzair Rauf musab, search all of these 'where in the quran does it say' questions on google and you will finx the answers. we're not going to spoonfeed you the answers just because you are too lazy to study the quran for yourself. November 3 at 5:25am via mobile Like 1

Why should Muslims return to the Qur'an Alone without the Sunnah Mohammed Samir Wahid because Allah tells us to follow His Book what other book can give us better guidance? November 3 at 5:26am Like 1

Khidr Amari Why do Muslims follow Hadith? November 3 at 5:27am Like 1

Uzair Rauf go on youtube and type proof:zakaat , proof:prayer , or proof: hajj . these are very informative and detailed videos, and short as well. November 3 at 5:27am via mobile Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan To understand Quran ..... Now again running away ... What does uswah mean? Please ...!! November 3 at 5:32am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan I answered your question a while ago I'm not answering you again scroll up November 3 at 5:33am Like 1

Uzair Rauf also you say that the quran is not the only revelation from allah, yet it is the only revelation allah gives the characteristics as perfect, well-guarded, truthful, contradiction free, etc etc. why arent the hadith revelations u speak of given these characteristics as well? why arent they even mentioned in the quran? furthermore, why do they contain mistakes and contradictions and rely on manmade guessing to determine their authenticity, characteristicly making it the exact oposite of the quran? does any of this make sense? Allah taking responsibilty for one revelation and letting man take responsibility for the other and fail miserably? Is this islam? November 3 at 5:43am via mobile Edited Like 1

Khidr Amari Repost: this comment was in the early discussion see Mufti Taha Khan doesn't read what is being given. Khidr Amari Live the Quranic way of life implementing the Qur'an the Salaat, Divine System in our lives all day every day. Allah says in Surah 33/21 "Indeed, in the messenger of Allah us'watun asanatun (a good example) has been set for you for he who seeks Allah and the Last Day and thinks constantly about Allah." What about Prophet Ibrahim Allah tells us clearly, "Indeed, there is for you us'watun asanatun (a good example) in Ibrahim and those with him when they said to their people: Surely we are clear of you and of what you serve besides Allah; we declare ourselves to be clear of you, and enmity and hatred have appeared between us and you forever until you believe in Allah alone-- but not in what Ibrahim said to his father: I would certainly ask forgiveness for you, and I do not control for you aught from Allah-- Our Lord! on Thee do we rely, and to Thee do we turn, and to Thee is the eventual coming." Also in Surah 60/6 "In them, indeed, you have us'watun asanatun (a good example) for everyone who looks forward to Allah and the Last Day. And if any turns away, Allah is truly self-sufficient, the One to whom all praise is due." Now Allah says that Prophet Muhammad, Prophet Ibrahim and his followers in them we have us'watun hasanatun (a good example) so how can you put Prophet Muhammad above any other Prophet of Allah. Allah says, "Then We inspired to you: "You shall ittabi (follow) millata ibrahima (the way of Ibrahim), anfan (upright), and he was not of those who set up partners." 16/123 The infinitive imla meaning to dictate, contains the notion of something which is dictated from any divine or undivine, mighty or unmighty, holy or non-holy source. The word milla in its religious sense means a way, a path, or a cult which is dictated and presented by a divine or perhaps undivine leader or group. Both cases have been exemplified in the Quran: "Who would abandon millati ib'rhma (the creed of Ibrahim) except one who fools himself? We have selected him in this world, and in the Hereafter, he is of the reformers." 2/130

Again, Allah is instructing the Prophet Muhammad to call to the millata Ibrahim (the way of Ibrahim): "Say, " Allah has told the truth. fa-ittabi (then follow) millata ibrahima (the way of Ibrahim) inclining toward truth; and he was not of the polytheists." 3/95 "And who is fairer dnan (in the way) of life than he who submitted his face to Allah and he is one who is a doer of good wa-ittabaa (and follows) millata ibrahima (the way of Ibrahim), anfan (upright)? And Allah took Ibrahim to Himself khallan (as a friend)." 4/125 Prophet Yusuf abandoned millita (the way) of his people who didn't belief in Allah along with rejecting the hereafter: He said: "There is not any provision of food that will come to you except that I will tell you of its interpretation before it comes. That is from what my Lord has taught me. I have just left millata (the way) qawmin (of a people) who do not believe in Allah, and they are rejecting the Hereafter." 12/37 Again and again we are told by Allah in His Book, the Qur'an to follow what, is it the Sunnatu Rasoolulllah or the Millata Ibrahim? Prophet Yusuf tells them clearly who he follows: Allah says, "wa-ittabatu (And I follow) millata (the way) b (of my fathers): ib'rhma, Isaac, and Jacob. It was not for us to set up partners with God at all. That is Allah's blessings over us and over the people, but most of the people are not thankful." 12/38 All of the above ayats indicates that at Ibrahims milla as a divine path and or way. Hence, since a divine path like that of Ibrahim was revealed and dictated by Allah, it is called milla in the sense that it is a dictated path that should be followed by the adherents of that divine dinan (manner of conduct). In either case, milla in its divine sense is also attributed to the prophet or to the leader of a dinan (system). November 3 at 5:37am Like 1

Khidr Amari Mohammed Samir Wahid your not presenting anything. The Qur'an confirms itself by Allah saying if the Qur'an was from any other many contradictions you would find. Now how do you validate your Hadith?

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Khidr Amari Allah told us to follow the Qur'an, the Wahi/Divine Revelation through his Messenger. November 3 at 5:39am Like 1

Khidr Amari Mohammed Samir Wahid, how do I believe the Qur'an is the Qur'an well because the Qur'an tells me so. November 3 at 5:40am Like 1

Saeed Talpur USWA HUSNA OF ABRAHAM 60:4 There has been a good example (USWA HUNA) set for you by Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: We are innocent from you and what you serve besides God. We have rejected you, and it appears that there shall be animosity and hatred between us and you until you believe in God alone. Except for the saying of Abraham to his father: I will ask forgiveness for you, but I do not possess any power to protect you from God. Our Lord, we have put our trust in You, and we turn to You, and to You is the final destiny. USWA HUSNA OF PROPHET MOHAMMAD 33:21 Indeed, in the messenger of God a good example (USWA HUNA) has been set for you for he who seeks God and the Last Day and thinks constantly about God. MOHAMMAD FOLLOW ABRAHAM 16:123 Then We inspired to you: "You shall follow the creed of Abraham, monotheism, and he was not of the polytheists." November 3 at 5:44am Like

Saeed Talpur Where is the Sunnah of Abraham? November 3 at 5:46am Edited Like

Khidr Amari Zubair Baig again stop being foolish the Qur'an says, "This too, is a blessed Book which We have sent down follow it and be conscious of your Lord, so that you may receive mercy lest you say, Books were sent to two communities before us: we were not aware of what they studied, or if only the Book had been sent down to us, we would have been better guided than them. Now your Lord has brought you clear evidence, guidance, and mercy. Who could be more wrong then someone who rejects Allahs Revelations and turns away from them? We shall repay those who turn away from our verses with a painful punishment." (Quran 6:155-157) November 3 at 5:45am Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Khidr ... Uswah in Arabic means a complete way of life, example, as lisaanul Arab states..... Now my question to u is that the prophets complete way of life isn't found in the Quran... If it is then where is the uswah Allah is talking about??? Remember uswah are those things that non prophets can do, because why would Allah tell us to take the prophet in his way of life if its things that are related to him being a RASOoL?? So where is the uswah?????? November 3 at 5:48am via mobile Like 2

Saeed Talpur us'watun hamza sn ww ( )

to imitate any one. uswah - model, imitation, relief, consolation, pattern, example worthy of imitation. November 3 at 5:52am Like

Saeed Talpur USWA HUSNA OF ABRAHAM 60:4 There has been a good example (USWA HUNA) set for you by Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: We are innocent from you and what you serve besides God. We have rejected you, and it appears that there shall be animosity and hatred between us and you until you believe in God alone. Except for the saying of Abraham to his father: I will ask forgiveness for you, but I do not possess any power to protect you from God. Our Lord, we have put our trust in You, and we turn to You, and to You is the final destiny. November 3 at 5:53am Like

Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan Uswa Husna means good example God told Prophet Muhammad to follow Abraham. November 3 at 5:56am Like

Saeed Talpur 16:123 Then We inspired to you: "You shall follow the creed of Abraham, monotheism, and he was not of the polytheists." November 3 at 5:57am Like

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan, You just asked me a question I answered it now you want to ask me another question ok after I answer your question you answer mines.

Your question is the Prophet's ==> PERSONA/PRIVATE <== way of life insn't in Qur'an and that would be on the Prophet/Human being side and you want to know where is the Uswatan Hasana Allah is referring to. Mufti, that's is your own definition believing Uswah means a complete way of life to me it means the Prophet Muhammad's conduct, behavior, his iman basically understanding his character he had towards Allah, towards others. Where is the Uswatun Hasana found its found IN QUR'AN which is the Best Hadith, the most reliable Hadith. There are many ayats that tells us about the Uswatun Hasana about the Prophet Muhammad: 1) Prophet Muhammad's dealing with the idol worshippers in Surah 53/19-23 2) Prophet Muhammad' compassion towards the believers in Surah 3:31 3) Prophet Muhammad's fear of failing in Surah 2/214 5) Prophet Muhammad's dealing with his wives rebellion. ~~ 33/28-31 6) Prophet Muhammad dealing with his adopted son Surah 33/37 7) Prophet Muhammad's dealing with his followers gently and was not server and hard-hearted in Surah 3/159 Prophet Muhammad was commanded to take forgiveness, enjoin what was good and turn away from the ignorant in Surah 7/199 9) Prophet Muhammad showed compassion and grieved that his peole should perish or fall into distress; he was excessively solicitous of the good of his peole, and he was most compassionate and merciful (rauf-ur-rahim) in Surah 9/128, 16/37 10) Prophet Muhammad was commanded by Allah to lower his wing (be kind) in Surah 15/88, 26/215 11) Prophet Muhammad was most anxious for peoples guidance in Surah 16/37, 9/128 12) Prophet Muhammad was commanded to invite people with Hikmah (wisdom) and beautiful exhortation and to reason with them in the best and most gracious manner in Surah 16/125 13) Prophet Muhammad was commanded to repel evil with that which was best in

Surah 41/34 Now I want to ask you a counter question Mufti this same word is used for Prophet Ibrahim in Surah 60/4 and his followers in Surah 60/6 since you claim to believe the Prophet Muhammad's example is found in Hadith books where is the Uswatun Hasana found for Prophet Ibrahim? November 3 at 5:57am Like 1

Sammy Hossain God told Muhammed to follow Ibraheem and he told us to follow Muhammed. Damn you guys are thick. November 3 at 5:57am Like 2

Khidr Amari Mohammed Samir Wahid you just simply reject the Book of Allah I understand. November 3 at 5:58am Like 1

Khidr Amari Move on November 3 at 5:58am Like 1

Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain, we are following Prophet Muhammad in what he to was told to follow, hence the Qur'an, the question is Millata Ibrahim is found throughout the Qur'an produce the ayat for Sunnatu Rasoolullah or Nataq-unNabi (Speech of Nabi) November 3 at 6:00am Edited Like 1

Khidr Amari Why is Millita Ibrahim found and Sunnatu Allah found but no Sunnatu Rasoolullah or Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi)....go figure Prophet Muhammad did not come with anything new. November 3 at 6:02am Like 1

Khidr Amari Mohammed Samir Wahid, again read the Qur'an. November 3 at 6:04am Like 1

Saeed Talpur 2:2 This is the Book in which there is no doubt, a guidance for the righteous. November 3 at 6:06am Like

Sammy Hossain Honestly, I left this convo mad long ago cuz you just like going in circles and eventually end up contradicting yourselves. But anyways I'm gonna leave again. My other questions still unanswered... Why did it take us so long to figure out the actual message of Quran? The companions didn't get it. The ppl after them didn't. We're so fortunate that even after 1400 we're the one who have understood its true meaning. Bravo November 3 at 6:06am Like 4

Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain its s imple ==> "In which it, will they believe?" (77:50) November 3 at 6:08am Like 1

Hadith, then, after

Khidr Amari The Qur'an is the Best Hadith versus your johnny come late Hadith by Bukhari and company. November 3 at 6:09am Like 1

Sammy Hossain I understand. People tend to talk rubbish when they don't have anything else to say. That still doesn't answer the question. November 3 at 6:12am Like 1

Saeed Talpur Bukhari was the biggest Hadith rejecter. Bukhari collected more than 600,000 hadiths and accepted 7,275 hadiths and considered 592,725 hadiths to be un-proven hadiths. LMAO November 3 at 6:13am Like 1

Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain so Allah is talking rubbish in His Book about Hadith? "In which Hadith, then, after it, will they believe?" (77:50)

"Do they not consider the kingdom of the heavens and the earth and whatever things Allah has created, and that may be their doom shall have drawn nigh; In which Hadith would they then believe in after this?" (7:185) "And who is more true in giving Hadith than Allah?" (4:87)

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Saeed Talpur Bukhari was MUNKER HADITH. LOL November 3 at 6:13am Like 1

Sammy Hossain Lol you just made an ass of yourself talpuri. I won't even bother explaining why. Khidr, the question is pretty straight forward, I don't understand why you can't seem to understand it. Why did it take us so long to figure out the true message of the Quran. Btw did I mention that the Quran is clear and self explanatory? (Sarcasm btw) November 3 at 6:16am Like

Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain you don't know who got what between your Sunnis and Shites Hadith that contradict each other in HISTORY, in the narrations chains its obvious no SECT got it. Yet, you blaming us because we don't want to follow baseless Hadith? November 3 at 6:17am Edited Like 1

Sammy Hossain I'm not blaming anything on you bro. I'd just like to know why it took the muslims so long? Last time I checked the Quran was in arabic not morse code November 3 at 6:18am Like 1

Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain, your own Hadith says that Muslims rejected Hadith. November 3 at 6:21am Like 1

Sammy Hossain Thank you very much for answering my question... NOT! November 3 at 6:22am Like 1

Saeed Talpur Bukhari and company collected the Hadiths 200 years later after the death of Prophet so what was the people following during this time? November 3 at 6:23am Like

Khidr Amari The call to Qur'an isn't new the majority of those who wanted to follow Hadith won just like the victors in wars get to write the history those who wanted Hadith got to eliminate the call to Qur'an alone and wiped any and mostly those who followed Qur'an alone out of the books. Again, your own Hadith testifies to the split between Muslims wanting to follow Qur'an alone and those who wanted to follow Hadith who made Hadith Divine Scripture. This is what I mean between a split history, get it Muhammad one man yet because of Hadith we have this mess: The ACID TEST: "Then do they not reflect upon the Qur'an? If it had been from [any] other than Allah , they would have found within it much ikh'tilfan (contradiction)." 4/82 The History of Islam is divided among two major sects the Shias and the Sunnis. Qualifications for ruler: Shia ==> Belonging to the family of the Prophet Sunnu ==> Qualified ruler; chosen by the Ummah Shia ==> Traditions (Hadith): From the 12 Infallible Imams Sunni ==> From the Companions of the Prophet

Did Muhammad designate a successor?: Shia ==> Yes (Ali ibn Abu Talib) Sunni ==> No Place of worship: Shia ==> Mosque (Masjid) and Imam Bargah Sunni ==> Mosque (Masjid) Pillars of Islam: Shia 1. Salat (Worship) 2. Sawm (Fast) 3. Hajj (Pilgrimage) 4. Zakaat (Poor-rate) 5. Khums (One-fifth) 6. Amr-Bil-Ma'rf (Promotion) 7. Nahi-Anil-Munkar (Dissuasion) 8. Tawalla (Re-affirmation) 9. Tabarra (disassociation from the enemies of Islam) Sunni... 1. Shahadah (Testament of Faith) 2. Salah (Prayer) " 3. Zakat (Alms giving) 4. Sawm (Fasting) 5. Hajj (Pilgrimage) Articles of Islamic belief: Shia 1. Tawhid (monotheism) 2. Qiyamah (Day of Judgment) 3. Nubuwwah (Prophethood) 4. Imamah (Leadership of the Twelve Imams) 5. Adl (Justice) Sunni...

1. Allah. 2. His Angels. 3. His Messengers. 4. His Books. 5. The Last Day. 6. Divine Preordainments good or bad. Origin of Islam Shia Originating with the teachings of Prophet Muhammad, a 7th century Arab religious and political figure, and believe that his son-in-law, Ali, is his successor. Sunni... Originating with the teachings of Prophet Muhammad, a 7th century Arab religious and political figure, and believe that his close friend Abu Bakr was his successor. Holy days: Shia 1) Ramadan, 2) Ashura, 3) Eid al Fitr, 4) Eid al Adha, 5) Eid al ghadeer Sunni... 1) Ramadan, 2) Eid al Fitr, 3) Eid al Adha Main Books of Narration (Hadith): Shia 1) al-Kulaini (d. 328 or 329), 2) Ibn Babuwayh (d. 381), 3) Jaafar Muhammad al-Tusi (d. 411) and 4) al-Murtada (d. 436)

Sunni... 1) Bukhari (d. 256/870), 2) Muslim (d. 261/875), 3) Abu Daud (d. 275/888), 4) Tirmidhi (d. 279/892), 5) Ibn Maja (d. 273/886), and 6) al-Nasa'i (d. 303/915) Imams identified as: Shia infallible and perfect examples of humanity. Only legitimate interpreters and partners of the Quran. Sunni... Human leaders who have strong faith in Islam (Quran,Sahi Hadees etc) and love for God's creatures. Successors after the Prophet: Shia 12 Infallible Imaams from the Prophets Progeny Sunni... Hazrat Abu Bakr (father of the Prophet's favoured wife),Hazrat 'A'ishah (elected by people of Medina),Hazrat Ali,Hazrat Umar, Hazrat Usman,Hazrat Imam Hussain & Hazrat Imam Hassan. Clergy: Shia 1) Imams, 2) Mullahs, 3) Ayatollah, 4) Sayed Sunni... 1) Mullahs and 2) Caliphs.

Actual successor of the Prophet: Shia 1) Ali ibn Abu Talib... Sunni... 1) Abu Bakr Temporary Marriage Shia 1) (Muttah) permitted: Yes Sunni.... No Strongly prohibbited according to Quran and Sahi Hadees. Intercession permitted: Shia Yes (12 Infallibles ONLY) Sunni.... No November 3 at 6:24am Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Khidr ... Please answer Samir ... Read the Quran simply isn't an answer... Also according to u you can follow the bible aswell because where we say it dosent count in the Quran it's general and we find that in hadith November 3 at 6:24am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan don't tell me who to answer I have answered all of your questions you have yet to answer mines. November 3 at 6:27am Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Also we've been waiting for ur salah video all from Quran ... Or perhaps a link... We know ur too ashamed to show us cuz u can dodge our questions but ur link or vid of salah will rip u into shreds November 3 at 6:27am via mobile Like 3

Khidr Amari Actually I just did answer his questions with the SPLIT history of Muhammad between two SECTS. November 3 at 6:27am Like 1

Sammy Hossain So the companions of the Prophet misunderstood the message? Wow being in the direct company couldn't provide guidance but english translation did. Btw I read that book you told me. Its a bunch of rubbish. He has the audacity quote a buncha buddhists but claims Hadith are forged. Shows who he's siding with. November 3 at 6:28am Like 2

Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain you talk much but can't produce nothing I'm done talking with you all you should shut up sometimes and go study the Qur'an its obvious you don't know nothing about the Book. November 3 at 6:30am Like 1

Saeed Talpur http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbrj-BvAF8g November 3 at 6:30am Like

Mufti Taha Khan Writing non related things as an answer is never called answering buddy... I asked u a question in ur answer but never answered... November 3 at 6:31am via mobile Like

Sammy Hossain You do know that a better argument that can be presented for salah is to take the literal meaning of which is dua. (Credit goes to me) lol November 3 at 6:31am Like

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan answer my question November 3 at 6:31am Like 1

Khidr Amari Everything I have posted is relevant even the split history between two deviant sects/Sunnis/Shites November 3 at 6:32am Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan So provide the video link of ur salah please

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Khidr Amari Three simple questions for Mufti Taha Khan, for those tales of the Ancients, Hadith: 1) Does Hadith provide the historical circumstances of each and every verse of the Quran? 2) Is there only one consistent set of data available for this?...See More November 3 at 6:33am Like 1

Khidr Amari I'm not provided anything we not talking about Salaat November 3 at 6:33am Like

Sammy Hossain o yes I really should study. I just don't know what to do with all those ayahs that are telling me to obey the Messenger. Its clear cut, do I still have to interpret to something as silly as not him but the message. Then what does obey Allah mean? Now I'm gonna throw back your favorite line "did Allah run out of words??" November 3 at 6:34am Like 2

Khidr Amari Second time around Mufti Taha Khan, Three simple questions for Mufti Taha Khan, for those tales of the Ancients, Hadith: 1) Does Hadith provide the historical circumstances of each and every verse of the Quran? 2) Is there only one consistent set of...See More

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Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain its clear cut obey the messenger means to you obey Buhkari. November 3 at 6:35am Like

Mufti Taha Khan Also according to u can we follow the bible November 3 at 6:35am via mobile Like 1

Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain, Obey the messenger how can we obey Muhammad if he's dead. How can a Messenger have his own words being obeyed when he's a messenger? Isn't a Messenger conveying a message that doesn't belong to him? If the messenger is to be obeyed who sent the messenger? What was the message? November 3 at 6:36am Like

Khidr Amari THIRD TIME around Mufti Taha Khan Three simple questions for Mufti Taha Khan, for those tales of the Ancients, Hadith: 1) Does Hadith provide the historical circumstances of each and every verse of the Quran? 2) Is there only one consistent set of d...See More November 3 at 6:37am Edited Like

Sammy Hossain I don't know. Don't ask me. The Quran says it. Please don't go against the Quean November 3 at 6:38am Like 1

Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain, Allah says, "Should We treat the ones who have surrendered the same as those who are criminals? What is wrong with you, how do you judge? Or do you have another book which you study? In it you find whatever you wish to find?" Surah 68...See More November 3 at 6:39am Like

Sammy Hossain Quran. Stupid spell check lol November 3 at 6:39am Like

Mufti Taha Khan I'm sorry but bukhari is more worthy then ur dad saying he is ur dad... Simply because there's a chain that dosent break November 3 at 6:39am via mobile Like 1

Khidr Amari the Hadith gives Sunnis/Shites everything they wish for November 3 at 6:40am Like

Mufti Taha Khan And u didn't answer my questions ..... Can we follow the bible? November 3 at 6:40am via mobile Like

Sammy Hossain NO. Infact leaving out Hadith give you all the freedom you wish for. November 3 at 6:41am Like 1

Mufti Taha Khan Look at him dodging the question.... We not talking about salah November 3 at 6:42am via mobile Like

Sammy Hossain Anyways I'm out. Assalaamu Alaikum to those who love Nabi (saw) November 3 at 6:42am Like 2

Mufti Taha Khan So salah and how u pray... And can we follow the bible?? November 3 at 6:42am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Salaam to you Mufti Taha Khan, you never answered: PRODUCE ONE VERSE IN AL QUR'AAN THAT SAYS EITHER ONE OF THE FOLLOWING:

(1) We are suppose to follow Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by NAME...See More November 3 at 6:44am Edited Like

Sammy Hossain Wait I remember answering those questions and I also remember you saying you've answered but you left one out. That statement of yours just proves that your questions were answered but you kept twisting things around. You want proof? You can have a fun time re reading all those posts November 3 at 6:45am Like 2

Mufti Taha Khan Talpuri posted a video completely off topic... I'm asking him for his salah firstly... And wait aren't u still suppost me if u made ur mind or not as to what I support talpuri???????????????? November 3 at 6:45am via mobile Like 2

Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain stop the lies November 3 at 6:48am Like 1

Khidr Amari No Sunni here with the NAME has answered any of these Questions. November 3 at 6:48am Like 1

Khidr Amari You have made a fool out of yourself this long give up.

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Mufti Taha Khan Khidrs out.... Why??? I simply asked him that ok forget Hadith .. Show me how u pray without Hadith ..... He leaves telling me u didn't answer my questions!!! November 3 at 6:49am via mobile Like 1

Sammy Hossain I'm not lying. Lol you can go back and read it UNLESS you haven't deleted it November 3 at 6:49am Like 1

Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain does the Qur'an say to follow Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by NAME November 3 at 6:50am Like

Khidr Amari Yes or no November 3 at 6:50am Like

Khidr Amari I'm not talking about unclear ayats November 3 at 6:50am Like

Khidr Amari Millata Ibrahim is clear November 3 at 6:50am Like

Mufti Taha Khan I'll answer all of them again !!!!!! But video first please November 3 at 6:51am via mobile Like

Khidr Amari Do you have the ayat saying to follow Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by NAME like I have the ayat saying to follow Millata Ibrahim November 3 at 6:51am Like

Sammy Hossain It says follow Nabi (saw) and its general so it includes that as well. If you wish to interpret the clear meaning then you'll need proof to do so. I'm not letting you go this time November 3 at 6:52am Like 2

Mufti Taha Khan Everyone please ask khidr for the video and watch him say Salam to u like he greeted me, atleast you guys will get a greeting from him if not an answer or verses to support his claims November 3 at 6:52am via mobile Like 3

Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain it says to follow the Messenger/Messengers where does it say follow Nabi November 3 at 6:54am Like

Khidr Amari So Sammy Hossain Allah says also follow the Messengers how do we do that? November 3 at 6:55am Like

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan our discussion is through you never answered my questions nothing more to discuss people reading this will see the truth. November 3 at 6:56am Like

Khidr Amari Oral Torah and the Making of the Talmud At Mount Sinai, God gave God's people the wisdom of the Al Kitab: 1) Written law (part written down by Moses)...See More November 3 at 6:59am Edited Like

Mufti Taha Khan He'll yeah they will !!!!! Video please November 3 at 6:59am via mobile Like 2

Sammy Hossain You wouldn't be asking if you knew the concept of prophethood. I won't answer bcuz I clearly remember asking you how do you offer salah, zakah hajj etc and you said "its not my problem you haven't read the Quran" so once again its not my problem you haven't learned basic Aqeedah November 3 at 6:59am Like 2

Mufti Taha Khan And khidr I showed u how we have to follow Nabi step by step!!! And then u changed the question to take the spotlight off this and this is what u said.... " u haven't answered any question of mine" November 3 at 7:00am via mobile Like 2

Khidr Amari I'm done with the both of you my job is finish. November 3 at 7:01am Like 1

Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan stop your lies you didn't show anything again how you like to delude yourself with your own folly. The Qur'an no where says to follow the Nabi we know this but to keep it simple Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunn...See More November 3 at 7:04am Like 1

Khidr Amari Mo Ameen..., have you read the entire debate? Or are you rambling off I have nothing to hide I said for them to start a new thread there are too many post on this thread. I have nothing to hide. I provided the ayats have they? What can you do? Present ...See More

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Sammy Hossain Lol you're a joker. Let's get some facts straight. You were not alone. Your buddies joined in as well. Second, its not that we couldn't handle you. We just tired of you and loopholes November 3 at 6:37pm Like

Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain new thread November 3 at 6:38pm Like

Khidr Amari Loop holes you Sunnis don't answer questions and you can't find nothing in Qur'an that supports you I said new thread. November 3 at 6:39pm Like

Sammy Hossain Aight. If its a new thread you want then that's exactly what you'll get. November 3 at 6:41pm Like

Khidr Amari Bring your proofs not conjecture November 3 at 6:42pm Like