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stock market crashes or interest rates on investments are low, the worker will have a lower asset pool at retirement and, thus, lower income post retirement. T hus, the worker has no idea until very close to retirement what income to expect and how much more to save on their own. Just imagine the dif f erence between retiring in 2007 versus 2009. It is f urther true that even if investments work out as hoped f or, the new Def ined Contribution pension plans being of f ered by Air Canada and Canada Post should not be expected to result in benef its as large as the Def ined Benef it plans they want to close. For the level of benef its now promised to Air Canada and Canada Post workers, employer contributions in excess of 10% of pay would be expected in todays climate. One would not anticipate the new Def ined Contribution plans being that rich. So, the benef its being negotiated are important and real. Management will continue to attempt to pass the pension risks over to the workers by using Def ined Contribution plans and workers will work equally hard to retain their Def ined Benef its. T hats the reason f or all the f uss. Rob Brown was Professor of Actuarial Science at the University of Waterloo for 39 years and a past President of the Canadian Institute of Actuaries. He is currently an expert advisor with EvidenceNetwork.ca, a comprehensive and non-partisan online resource designed to help journalists covering health policy issues in Canada.