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In Mountain Lion, Macs are getting system-wide speech recognition, the same "Dictation" feature Apple gave the new iPad at the beginning of the year. While it works well, it does require a network connection. Apple's cloud-based Dictation feature, currently supported on the new iPad and as part of the broader Siri voice assistant feature of iPhone 4S, converts speech to text virtually anywhere. It works by sending audio recordings of captured speech to Apple's servers, which respond with plain text. While it doesn't go as far as the more intelligent Siri, Dictation does intelligently cross reference the names and assigned nicknames of your contacts in order to better understand what you are saying. Similar to Siri or Dictation on the new iPad, Dictation on Macs running OS X Mountain Lion pops up a simple mic icon when activated, which listens until you click or type the key to finish. Just as with Siri or dictation on the new iPad, Dictation under Mountain Lion is quite fast and highly accurate, but does require a network connection to function. If you don't have a network connection, the Dictation input icon will simply shake, indicating that it is not available. Anything you say can be used to improve your dictation Apple appears to be exercising great caution in highlighting the privacy issues related to using Dictation. The service is turned off by default, and turning it on from System Preferences requires clicking through a notice that various types of local data, including Contacts, are sent to Apple's servers in order to recognize the speech you're trying to convert to text.

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"When you use the keyboard dictation feature on your computer, the things you dictate will be recorded and sent to Apple to convert what you say into text. Your computer will also send Apple other information, such as your first name and nickname; and the names, nicknames, and relationship with you (for example, ?my dad?) of your address book contacts. All of this data is used to help the dictation feature understand you better and recognize what you say. Your User Data is not linked to other data that Apple may have from your use of other Apple services. "Information collected by Apple will be treated in accordance with Apple's Privacy Policy, which can be found at www.apple.com/privacy. "You can choose to turn off the dictation feature at any time. To do so, open System Preferences, click Dictation & Speech, and then click Off in the Dictation section. If you turn off Dictation, Apple will delete your User Data, as well as your recent voice input data. Older voice input data that has been disassociated from you may be retained for a period of time to generally improve Dictation and other Apple products and services. This voice input data may include audio files and transcripts of what you said and related diagnostic data, such as hardware and operating system specifications and performance statistics. "You can restrict access to the Dictation feature on your computer in the Parental Controls pane of System Preferences."

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Using Dictation Unlike the virtual keyboard on iOS devices, your Mac has no ability to sprout an extra mic

key just to initiate Dictation. However, you do have a little used key that Apple has assigned by default to serve as a conveniently accessible way to begin Dictation. Once activated, the new Dictation feature can be activated by hitting the lower left Function (fn) key twice. This brings up a microphone popup at the insertion point in the current text field, whether in a document, a Finder search field, within a web page, or any other standard region for entering text.

Alternatively, you can also select Start Dictation from the Edit menu within the active app. Below is the Edit menu from TextEdit, showing the shortcut of hitting the function key twice.

You can also assign either the right or left Command (Apple's "propeller" key), or both, to serve as the double-tap signal to begin Dictation, or you can enter some arbitrary other set of keys to trigger the event. You can also assign Dictation to use either the internal microphone or a plugged in mic, or leave it to its default setting, which is automatic. Plug in an iPhone-style pair of headphones with an integrated mic or connect a dedicated USB microphone or line-in mic, and Dictation will automatically begin using it as the most appropriate input device unless you specify otherwise. Siri on the horizon?

The new iPad got the Dictation subset of Siri features when it arrived at the beginning of the year, but by the end of 2012, it will join iPhone 4S in getting the full Siri experience, thanks to iOS 6. This suggests that Mountain Lion Macs will also eventually get an upgrade from basic Dictation to the full Siri feature set, although many of the features of Siri may seem more useful in a mobile device. Apple is also working to improve upon Siri's bag of tricks for iOS users, having promised new sport scores, movie information with reviews, expanded restaurant responses including table reservations, integration with updating Facebook and Twitter feeds, and the ability to launch apps by name. The expansion potential for Siri on desktop computers would likely benefit from a different set of features aimed more at voice control of the desktop, such as commands to invoke Mission Control or perform a Spotlight search. Speech Recognition replaced with Dictation Apple previously focused on voice control of the desktop environment, rather than accurate voice dictation, in the feature set currently presented in OS X Lion as "Speech Recognition." Apple's feature set of "speakable items" that could be used to navigate menu bar items and switch between applications was first made part of the Mac system software back in 1993 on the Macintosh Quadra AV, part of an ambitious, pioneering effort to deliver advanced speech recognition under the program known as "PlainTalk." That was almost 20 years ago, at a time when even the fastest desktop computers lacked the resources needed to rapidly and accurately decipher speech into text. Apple focused on a highly resource efficient design that focused on commands to invoke tasks rather than turning natural voice into paragraphs of text. In bringing iOS-style Dictation to the Mac, Apple has discontinued the seldom used, rather outdated "Speakable Items" system, which was complex to configure, navigate and use. Dictation is, in contrast, incredibly simple. However, unlike the previous Speech Recognition system, Dictation relies on Apple's cloud services to work. This leaves open an opportunity for dedicated, specialized voice recognition systems that work locally and don't require a network link to function. Text to Speech In the other direction of turning text into synthesized speech, Mountain Lion retains the same default System Voice of Alex, which was first introduced in OS X 10.5 Leopard in late 2007. Alex replaced Vicki, the previous default voice that had introduced natural sounding speech in OS X 10.3 Panther in late 2003. The current release of OS X Lion introduced a series of new, very high quality voices in both American English and other English accents, from British to Australian and Irish, as well as 21 other languages. AppleInsider first broke news of these new optional voices, which can be downloaded from Apple as desired from the System Voice/ Customize popup window.

Among the new voices are are Tom and Jill, both very natural sounding American English voices. As with Dictation, Text to Speech is turned off by default. It is also invoked with the more clumsy Option+Esc key sequence, or the Speech menu hidden away in most apps' Edit menu. Ironically, one very useful task Siri on the Mac could provide is to allow users to convert selected text to high quality speech, using their voice.

7/13/12 at 4:46am

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This is a big feature for my wife, she is dyslexic and finds it far easier to type an email or document via speech. We tried DragonDictate but it was not nearly as accurate as the dictation feature built into the iPad.

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7/13/12 at 5:14am

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Quote: Originally Posted by saarek This is a big feature for my wife, she is dyslexic and finds it far easier to type an email or document via speech. We tried DragonDictate but it was not nearly as accurate as the dictation feature built into the iPad.

DragonDictate is a Nuance product. The Nuance speech recognition engine is a learning system. The more you use it, the more accurate it gets. Since Apple's use of the engine is through their servers, it of course would be far more accurate after the millions and millions of translations it has performed since last October. I am amazed at how much better it has become since its release; it almost always recognizes what I say.
Disclaimer: The things I say are merely my own personal opinion and may or may not be based on facts. At certain points in any discussion, sarcasm may ensue.

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7/13/12 at 5:15am

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Blitz1
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Why recognition is done on the Apple Servers iso at home is beyond me.

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7/13/12 at 5:27am

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Zozman
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The only thing I'm worried about (even tho i do use dictate on my iPad & iPhone & soon on my macs) how will this compete in the broader market, now that google has introduced offline dictation in Jelly Bean. I hope that at some point we have the option to have an offline dictate, even if it isn't as accurate as being online, id like it to be there.

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7/13/12 at 5:39am

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Quote: Originally Posted by Zozman The only thing I'm worried about (even tho i do use dictate on my iPad & iPhone & soon on my macs) how will this compete in the broader market, now that google has introduced offline dictation in Jelly Bean. I hope that at some point we have the option to have an offline dictate, even if it isn't as accurate as being online, id like it to be there.

Will now Apple make itself incompatible with Dragon? I do NOT want to have the choice forced between "no voice recognition" and "Internet-based voice recognition". I want Dragon, with its ondisk voice database trained to my voice... besides, it wasn't exactly free, so I'd be annoyed to lose ability to use it. Apple already has used that kind of annoying tactic. I just hope I'm needlessly scared.

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7/13/12 at 5:48am

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There's still one important question - will Alex finally be able to tell me some new jokes?! Actually, note to self, I need to try that feature in other languages. I would assume it still works. Does anyone know if the jokes are the same?

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7/13/12 at 6:03am

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one more nail in the keyboard coffin, Microsoft, uh ?

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7/13/12 at 6:05am

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Quote: Originally Posted by lightknight

Will now Apple make itself incompatible with Dragon? I do NOT want to have the choice forced between "no voice recognition" and "Internet-based voice recognition". I want Dragon, with its ondisk voice database trained to my voice... besides, it wasn't exactly free, so I'd be annoyed to lose ability to use it. Apple already has used that kind of annoying tactic. I just hope I'm needlessly scared.

dragon constantly crashed my Mac. i won't regret it

7/13/12 at 6:29am

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Regarding the voices, some of them have 2 levels of quality, the lower end one is called "compact" and I think that might be what is downloaded by default. If you go in to VoiceOver Utility in /Applications/Utilities you can download a higher quality version. But be warned the high quality voices are 375+ MB.

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7/13/12 at 6:47am

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Moira, lol. No one here talks like that.

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7/13/12 at 7:00am

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rtm135
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Microsoft Windows has had extensive speech capabilities since Vista, including dictation, vocal feedback, and extensive control of the operating system via commands, all without requiring an internet connection. Without Siri, why does Apple require an internet connection?

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7/13/12 at 7:05am

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Quote: Originally Posted by rtm135 Microsoft Windows has had extensive speech capabilities since Vista, including dictation, vocal feedback, and extensive control of the operating system via commands, all without requiring an internet connection. Without Siri, why does Apple require an internet connection?

That's a good question. I think they are taking a scientific approach: by doing it this way they will have a massive database of phrases the computer didn't understand, which can be used to improve the product. In future, once it is "almost perfect," there will be no benefit doing it on the server-side any more and they can deploy a purely client side solution.

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7/13/12 at 7:19am

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Originally Posted by rtm135 Microsoft Windows has had extensive speech capabilities since Vista, including dictation, vocal feedback, and extensive control of the operating system via commands, all without requiring an internet connection. Without Siri, why does Apple require an internet connection?

Because Apple's actually works.

7/13/12 at 7:51am

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That's an old video. It works fine now.

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7/13/12 at 7:56am

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I love dictation in Mountain Lion. In fact i'm using it right now. OK now how do I turn it off. No that's not it. Ah there it...

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7/13/12 at 8:07am

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Quote: Originally Posted by ascii

In future, once it is "almost perfect," there will be no benefit doing it on the server-side any more and they can deploy a purely client side solution.

I hope so.

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7/13/12 at 8:14am

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Quote: Originally Posted by mjtomlin DragonDictate is a Nuance product. The Nuance speech recognition engine is a learning system. The more you use it, the more accurate it gets. Since Apple's use of the engine is through their servers, it of course would be far more accurate after the millions and millions of translations it has performed since last October. I am amazed at how much better it has become since its release; it almost always recognizes what I say.

t's great that it's learning on the aggregate and with specific users but I wish they would do more faster. For instance, during those initial linenbackground setup screens on a new iOS 5+ device when you acknowledge that you want to use the service I wish it would have carefully constructed paragraph by linguists to get a foundation for your speech pattern by recording how you say most of the phonemes for common words for a given language.

Outside of that my only other major request to update Contacts on iOS and Mac OS to allow the use of the voice option already built into the vCard system. I hate that I have, what I think are common given and surnames, that are pronounced incorrectly. Let me hit a button to record the name and then Siri will get a really good idea of how to say it back to me next time. Quote: Originally Posted by Blitz1 Why recognition is done on the Apple Servers iso at home is beyond me.

How big is the full software package to make it a local service? How would that affect the $20 ML download from the Mac App Store? It's not just the amount of data for all those many millions of Macs but how Apple and Nuance have licensed the service. How well does it perform locally with, say, a CULV processor in oldest MBA that can get ML compared to the server side connection with a standard broadband connection? What about the most common Mac used today or presumed used in the future?

7/13/12 at 8:15am

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I hope that Apple exposes this technology to third parties via an API (may already be available). This could power speech-to-text apps that create captions and subtitles for video, I can see this in iMovie (for home movies) and in conferencing software such as Bb Collaborate and in webcasting apps such as WireCast. Legislation relating to media accessibility is being enforced more rigorously and accessibility groups are suing non-compliant entities.

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7/13/12 at 8:25am

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So Apple is up front in disclosing exactly what information is transferred to it's servers and the feature is turned off by default. Is there any other companies that have features with possible privacy concerns that default to the service turned off? I'm looking at you Google and Facebook.

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7/13/12 at 9:23am

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How much does anyone want to bet that the new MacBook Pro has the hardware for full Siri support?

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7/13/12 at 9:59am

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Originally Posted by mjtomlin

DragonDictate is a Nuance product. The Nuance speech recognition engine is a learning system. The more you use it, the more accurate it gets. Since Apple's use of the engine is through their servers, it of course would be far more accurate after the millions and millions of translations it has performed since last October. I am amazed at how much better it has become since its release; it almost always recognizes what I say.

I agree with you. I thought it (and Siri with it) was a pile of crap when it first launched. It maybe got 20% of what I said, even if I spoke with exceptional diction. Now I'd say it's up to 80% and seems to be getting better all the time.

7/13/12 at 10:06am

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Zozman
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Quote: Originally Posted by SolipsismX I love dictation in Mountain Lion. In fact i'm using it right now. OK now how do I turn it off. No that's not it. Ah there it... Hahaha Smart ass :p These are the times i wish i just paid the money to get dev versions of stuff.

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7/13/12 at 10:37am

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Potentially unrelated, but I would like the ability on the iPhone to have Siri read me whatever I'm looking at in Safari's Reader. I.e., I'd pull up a page that's compatible with Reader, hit the home button, and say "Siri, read this to me."

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7/13/12 at 10:43am

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Quote: Originally Posted by Pendergast Potentially unrelated, but I would like the ability on the iPhone to have Siri read me whatever I'm looking at in Safari's Reader. I.e., I'd pull up a page that's compatible with Reader, hit the home button, and say "Siri, read this to me."

I've never tried that with Reader in Safari but it is pretty good about reading back text. You can set up a triple-click option in Accessibility to enable and disable VoiceOver. It's not exactly what you want but it might be effective enough as a stand in.
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Quote: Originally Posted by AeronPrometheus How much does anyone want to bet that the new MacBook Pro has the hardware for full Siri support?

As Siri is server-side, anything with a microphone has the hardware for Siri.

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Does anyone know the limitations for dictation? - How much content can you dictate at once? - How does it recognize the "end" of your dictation? when it hears a period of silence? Is there a button to click to stop dictation? - Does it send to apple after you've finished speaking or clicked the "stop" button (if it exists), or does it do it in chunks during? -DR

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Quote: Originally Posted by Danielrucci Does anyone know the limitations for dictation? - How much content can you dictate at once? - How does it recognize the "end" of your dictation? when it hears a period of silence? Is there a button to click to stop dictation? - Does it send to apple after you've finished speaking or clicked the "stop" button (if it exists), or does it do it in chunks during? -DR

- Essentially limitless. - You have to start and stop it manually. The default it hitting the unused fn key to initiate and end he session. It's instant. We aren't quite at Star Trek level voice commands yet. - I think it sends it while you are speaking. One could test this by using very long strings of dictation to see how fast it responses after you close the session. It's fast so you might need to read it War and Peace or a couple hours.
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7/13/12 at 1:21pm

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Quote: Originally Posted by flowney I hope that Apple exposes this technology to third parties via an API (may already be available). This could power speech-to-text apps that create captions and subtitles for video, I can see this in iMovie (for home movies) and in conferencing software such as Bb Collaborate and in webcasting apps such as WireCast. Legislation relating to media accessibility is being enforced more rigorously and accessibility groups are suing non-compliant entities.

It has already been shared. Watch for it in your next version of Microsoft Office.

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7/13/12 at 1:23pm

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Will it be available in the old Bullwinkle voice? God, how I miss him.

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Quote: Originally Posted by mjtomlin

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DragonDictate is a Nuance product. The Nuance speech recognition engine is a learning system. The more you use it, the more accurate it gets. Since Apple's use of the engine is through their servers, it of course would be far more accurate after the millions and millions of translations it has performed since last October. I am amazed at how much better it has become since its release; it almost always recognizes what I say. Exactly, it's used by countless Doctor's around the world for dictation.

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Well, this kind of sucks. While I'm looking forward to the Dictation feature, I'm not looking forward to losing the Speech Recognition commands. I actually use them quite frequently. Phooey. :/

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7/14/12 at 8:22am

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Quote: Originally Posted by Tallest Skil

As Siri is server-side, anything with a microphone has the hardware for Siri. The iDevices that support Siri have a special chip and mic hardware with a unique noise-cancelling bit. Remember how they focused on the fact that the new MacBook Pro has a new mic with a dual receiver? I think they left the backdoor open for Siri there.

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Quote: Originally Posted by AeronPrometheus The iDevices that support Siri have a special chip and mic hardware with a unique noise-cancelling bit. Remember how they focused on the fact that the new MacBook Pro has a new mic with a dual receiver? I think they left the backdoor open for Siri there.

But that's not necessary for Siri to work perfectly. Do you really think they'll be releasing an updated Thunderbolt Display with two microphones and prevent owners of the 24" Cinema Display, 27" Cinema Display, and Thunderbolt Display from using Siri at all? I don't think so.

Originally Posted by Macky the Macky But...but...but does it click and clack while I dance like a lunatic with it???

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7/14/12 at 8:47am

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Quote: Originally Posted by Tallest Skil But that's not necessary for Siri to work perfectly. Do you really think they'll be releasing an updated Thunderbolt Display with two microphones and prevent owners of the 24" Cinema Display, 27" Cinema Display, and Thunderbolt Display from using Siri at all? I don't think so.

Hard to say you know, Apple have become a wee bit brutal on what can and what can't do stuff of late. All perfectly understandable really if it is hardware limitations in play but it can be painful. Look at mid 2010 MBP running ML, they can't utilize airplay for video even though they run ML fine otherwise. I assume this is related to the CPU.

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Quote: Originally Posted by SolipsismX I've never tried that with Reader in Safari but it is pretty good about reading back text. You can set up a triple-click option in Accessibility to enable and disable VoiceOver. It's not exactly what you want but it might be effective enough as a stand in.

I got to see a funny and unintentional use of diction in ML a few days ago. The Mac was attached to an external Apple LCD via USB at the time. Safari was playing a CNN news video and dictation was transcribing the audio to text, pretty well too! I can see the day coming when you can have two Apple devices having a conversation with each other using Siri ... / smile

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7/14/12 at 9:25am

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Quote: Originally Posted by Blitz1 Why recognition is done on the Apple Servers iso at home is beyond me.

Is this a serious post?

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7/14/12 at 10:56am

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Quote: Originally Posted by digital clips Hard to say you know

Ah, I have my proof: there's a single microphone on the iPad 3. Siri does not require multiple microphones as per Apple's own admission. Quote: Look at mid 2010 MBP running ML, they can't utilize airplay for video even though they run ML fine otherwise.

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Who told you that Speakable Items was being discontinued? I would do your homework on that one...

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Me of the iPhone4 with 3G am presuming the lack of Siri is mostly due to the networking needed to throw stuff back and forth to the servers, and less an issue of processing power. Any evidence to support this?

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