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(33:5) Name your adopted children after their fathers; that is more
just in the Sight of Allah. And if you do not know who their fathers
were, then they are your brothers, sisters and friends in Faith. (You
shall treat them as family members). There is no blame on you for an
unintentional mistake. What counts is the intention of your hearts, for
Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
Examples of “Kuniat” with Mother Names taken from History & Ahadith
are as:
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Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him) said: You would soon conquer a
land where people are in the habit of using foul language. They have a
right of kinship upon you. And when you see two persons fighting for
the space of a brick, then get out of that. He (AbuDharr) then happened
to pass by Rabi’ah and AbdurRahman, the two sons of Shurahbil ibn
Hasana, and they had been disputing for the space of a brick. So he
left the land.
That the Prophet used to take him (i.e. Usama) and Al-Hassan (in his
lap) and say: “O Allah! Love them, as I love them.” The freed slave of
Usama bin Zaid said, “Al-Hajjaj bin Aiman bin Um Aiman and Aiman Ibn Um
Aiman was Usama’s brother from the maternal side, and he was one of the
Ansar. He was seen by Ibn ‘Umar not performing his bowing and
prostrations in a perfect manner. So Ibn ‘Umar told him to repeat his
prayer. Harmala, the freed slave of Usama bin Zaid said that while he
was in the company of ‘Abdullah bin ‘Umar, Al-Hajjaj bin Aiman came in
and (while praying) he did not perform his bowing and prostrations
properly. So Ibn ‘Umar told him to repeat his prayer. When he went
away, Ibn ‘Umar asked me, “Who is he?” I said, “Al-Hajjaj bin Um
Aiman.” Ibn ‘Umar said, “If Allah’s Apostle saw him, he would have
loved him.” Then Ibn ‘Umar mentioned the love of the Prophet for the
children of Um Aiman. Sulaiman said that Um Aiman was one of the nurses
of the Prophet.
(8) Hadith No. 3.51 Al-Muwatta contains a name as “Muslim ibn Abi
Maryam”
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All these Famous Personalities have their fathers.
What is way QURAN uses as: (4:171) [”Maseh Isa Ibn Maryam”] Instead
of [”Maseh Isa Bin Maryam”] No where in QURAN not to violate
itself!
Here in (4:171) “Al- Maseh Isa Ibn Maryam Rasol ‘Allaah”, the
breakup is as:
(1) “Al- Maseh” is Laqab,
(2) “Isa” is Name,
(3) “Ibn Maryam” is Kuniat,
(4) “Rasol ‘Allaah” means prophet of Allah.
(5) “wa- kalimah -hu alqaa -haa ‘ilaa maryam wa- roh. min -hu”
means the fulfillment of His Word to Mary, created according to the
Laws of Creation and given free will from the Divine Energy (like all
human beings (15:29), (32:7-9), (38:72)).
==References==
1. 1 Stefan
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Very interesting Rana …
thank you
“How can I have a son when no man has touched me, nor do I desire such?”
And relate in the Scripture Mary, when she withdrew herself from her family to a
place which was to the east
شرًا سَ ِويّا
َ َحنَا َف َتمَثّلَ َلهَا ب
َ ت مِن دُونِهِمْ حِجَابًا فََأرْسَ ْلنَا ِإَليْهَا رُو
ْ َخذ
َ ّفَات
She took to a barrier which separated her from them, so We sent Our spirit to her, and
he took on the shape of a human in all similarity.
ت تَ ِقيّا
َ حمَنِ مِنكَ إِن كُن
ْ ّقَاَلتْ ِإنّي أَعُو ُذ بِالر
She said: “I seek refuge with the Almighty from you if you are a person of faith.”
لمًا َز ِكيّا
َ ُقَالَ ِإّنمَا َأنَا رَسُولُ َرّبكِ لَِهَبَ َلكِ غ
He said: “I am the messenger of your Lord, to give you the gift of a pure son.”
She said: “How can I have a son when no man has touched me, nor do I desire such?”
ضيّا
ِ حمَةً ّمنّا َوكَانَ َأمْرًا مّ ْق
ْ جعَلَ ُه آيَةً لّلنّاسِ وَ َر
ْ َك قَالَ َرّبكِ هُوَ عََليّ َهيّنٌ وَِلن
ِ ل َكذَِل
َ قَا
He said: “It is such that your Lord has said, it is easy for Me. And We shall make him
a sign for mankind and a mercy from Us. It is a matter already ordained.”
And the one who protected her chastity, so We blew into her from Our Spirit, and We
made her and her son a sign for the worlds. 21:91
Also Mary, the daughter of Imran, who maintained her chastity. So We blew into her
from Our spirit, and she believed in the words of her Lord and His Scriptures; and she
was of those who were obedient. 66:12
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Jesus
(حنَا
َ ) َفأَرْسَ ْلنَا إَِل ْيهَا رُوSo We sent Our spirit to her. 19:17
(حنَا
ِ خنَا فِي ِه مِن رّو ْ َ ) َفنَفSo We blew into her from Our spirit 21:91,66:12
Adam
َجدِين
ِ ت فِيهِ مِن رّوحِي َف َقعُواْ لَهُ سَا
ُ خ
ْ َفَِإذَا سَ ّو ْيتُهُ َونَف
“So when I perfect him, and blow of My spirit in him, you shall submit to him.”
15:29,38:72
The Quran likens the creation of Jesus to of Adam. Interestingly, the frequencies of
both names are also equal: each occurs 25 times in the Quran.
The example of Jesus with God is similar to that of Adam; He created him from dust,
then He said to him “Be” and he was. 3:59
So Jesus had no father, his mother maintained her chastity and the spirit ( ِ ) رّوحplayed
an intermediate role
thats why he was named “Ibn Maryam” The son of Mary, confirming his virgin birth
unlike anyone who must have a father (known or Unkown)
ط ْأتُم
َ ْح فِيمَا َأخ
ٌ جنَا
ُ ْلّ َفإِن لّمْ َتعَْلمُوا آبَاءَهُ ْم َفإِخْوَا ُنكُ ْم فِي الدّينِ َومَوَالِيكُمْ وََل ْيسَ عََل ْيكُم
ِ لبَا ِئهِمْ هُوَ َأ ْقسَطُ عِندَ ا
ِ ادْعُوهُ ْم
ت قُلُو ُبكُمْ َوكَانَ الُّ غَفُورًا رّحِيمًا ْ َبِهِ وََلكِن مّا َت َعمّد
Name them by retaining their father’s name. That is more just with God. But if you do
not know their fathers, then, as your brothers in the system and members of your
family. There is no sin upon you if you make a mistake in this respect; but you will be
responsible for what your hearts deliberately intend. God is Forgiver, Merciful. 33:5
Peace
2. 2 Sukran
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The Name Structure of Messiah Jesus, son of Mary.
Traditionally real children are named after their father’s name; even it is ordered
(33:5) that “Name your adopted children after their fathers”.
33:5 Name your adopted children after their fathers; that is more just in the Sight of
Allah. And if you do not know who their fathers were, then they are your brothers,
sisters and friends in Faith. (You shall treat them as family members). There is no
blame on you for an unintentional mistake. What counts is the intention of your
hearts, for Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
How is it possible to name Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, after his mother?s name?
One traditional answer to this question is that father was not present, i.e., virgin birth.
Correct answer is that “Ibn Mary” is used as ?Kuniat?, not for “son of Mary”, in the
following verses.
3:45 Angels said, ?O Mary! Allah gives you the good news through a word from Him.
His name would be Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, held in honor in this world and
among the ones close to Me in the Hereafter.
4:157 And for claiming, ?We killed the Messiah Jesus son of Mary, Allah?s
Messenger.? They never killed him and never crucified him. But it appeared so to
them and the matter remained dubious to them. Those who hold conflicting views on
this issue are indeed confused. They have no real knowledge but they are following
mere conjecture. Very certainly, they never killed him.
4:171 O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion. Say nothing
about God except the truth. The Messiah Jesus son of Mary was a Messenger of
Allah, the fulfillment of His Word to Mary, created according to the Laws of Creation
and given free will from the Divine Energy (like all human beings 15:29, 32:7-9,
38:72). Believe in Allah and His Messengers, and say not: ?Three”. Cease! It is for
your own good. God is but One God. Far removed it is from His Supreme Majesty
that He should have a son. Everything in the Highs and everything in the Lows
belongs to Him. He is the Self-Sufficient Sustainer of the Universe (2:255).
So it is better to call & translate Messiah Jesus, Ibn Mary instead of Messiah Jesus,
son of Mary.
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AA!
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As you write in response to my post that, ?I suggest Uncle that you should translate
the word in both ways, one keeping in mind with the bigger picture of the Quran’s
Message, the other meaning keeping in mind how this verse gives extra proof against
the virgin birth.
6:87 And We gave distinction to some of their ancestors, fathers, children, siblings
and brothers and guided them to the Straight Path.
This verse would be only a small part inside the explanation of the proof that Jesus
was born naturally?.
But in my opinion this verse contributes & provides largest & biggest proof inside the
explanation of the fact that Jesus was born naturally for traditional mind N2I?, I am
not one of them.
Thanks!
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13:38 And verily We sent Messengers before you, and We appointed for them wives
and children as well. (They all were mortal human beings and they conveyed Allah’s
Revelation as commanded). It was not given to any Messenger that he could bring a
Sign (the requital they hastened for), but it came according to Allah?s Law of Respite.
For every rise and for every fall, there is a Written Law. (7:34).
[Shakir 13:38] And certainly We sent messengers before you and gave them wives
and children, and it is not in (the power of) an messenger to bring a sign except by
Allah’s permission; for every term there is an appointment.
The verse 13:38 declares that all the messengers had wives and children. So Jesus was
also married.
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6:87 And We gave distinction to some of their ancestors, fathers, children, siblings
and brothers and guided them to the Straight Path. (Ref: Arnold Yasin Mol)
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4. 4 Stefan
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QuoteThe Prophet Jesus Had Wife and Children
ٌل ِكتَاب
ٍ َل بِِإذْنِ الّ ِلكُلّ أَج
ّ ي بِآيَةٍ ِإ
َ ِجعَ ْلنَا َلهُمْ َأزْوَاجًا َوذُ ّريّةً َومَا كَانَ ِلرَسُولٍ أَن يَ ْأت
َ ل مّن َقبِْلكَ َو
ً ُوََل َقدْ َأرْسَ ْلنَا رُس
And We have sent messengers before you and We have made for them mates and
offspring. It was not for a messenger to come with any sign except by God’s leave,
but for every time there is a decree. 13:38
The verse 13:38 declares that all the messengers had wives and children. So Jesus was
also married.
“And We have sent messengers before you and We have made for them mates and
offspring”.
and
ّ ي بِآيَةٍ ِإ
ل َ ِن يَ ْأت
ْ َصنَا عََل ْيكَ َو ِم ْنهُم مّن لّ ْم نَ ْقصُصْ عََل ْيكَ َومَا كَانَ ِلرَسُولٍ أ
ْ ص
َ َك مِ ْنهُم مّن ق
َ ل مّن َقبِْل
ً ُس ْلنَا رُس
َ َْولَ َقدْ أَر
َسرَ ُهنَاِلكَ ا ْل ُمبْطِلُونِ َي بِالْحَقّ َوخ
َ ِلّ قُض ِ لّ فَِإذَا جَاءَ َأمْرُ ا
ِ بِِإذْنِ ا
And We have sent messengers prior to you. Some of them We mentioned to you, and
some We did not mention to you. And it was not given to any messenger that he
should bring a sign except by God’s leave. So, when God’s judgment is issued, the
matter is decided with truth, and the followers of falsehood will be lost. 40:78
and
ٌسمِي ٌع بَصِير
َ َّل ِئكَةِ رُسُلً َومِنَ النّاسِ إِنّ ال
َ َطفِي مِنَ ا ْلم
َ ْلّ يَص
ُ ا
God chooses messengers from amongst the Angels and from amongst mankind. God
is Hearer, Seer. 22:75
“We have sent messengers before you and We have made for them mates and
offspring”
“We have sent messengers prior to you. Some of them We mentioned to you, and
some We did not mention to you”
“God chooses messengers from amongst the Angels and from amongst mankind.”
assuming that the Prophet Jesus and all messengers had wives and children is
incorrect.
“We have sent messengers before you and We have made for them mates and
offspring”13:38
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the word “all” is not there and it could be applicable to any case of the thirteen
defined messengers ( We mentioned to you ) or the messengers ( We did not mention
to you ).
ِ ل بِِإذْنِ ا
ّل ّ ي بِآيَةٍ ِإ
َ ِن يَ ْأت
ْ َمَا كَانَ لِرَسُولٍ أ
“it was not for a messenger to come with any sign except by God’s leave” 13:38 ,
40:78
( ) مَاnot and except ( ّ ) ِإل, here we can say all messengers are sent with signs by
God’s leave.
ٍستَقِيم
ْ ّط م
ٍ ج َت َب ْينَاهُمْ وَ َه َديْنَا ُهمْ إِلَى صِرَا
ْ خوَا ِنهِمْ وَا
ْ ِن آبَا ِئهِمْ َوذُ ّريّا ِتهِمْ وَإ
ْ َِوم
And from their fathers and their progeny and their brothers We have also chosen; and
We guided them to a straight path. 6:87
“And from”( ْ) َومِنtheir fathers and their progeny and their brothers.
again its not all of them (the names mentioned before) 6:82-87
1. Nuh (Noah)
2. Ibrahim (Abraham)
3. Isma’il (Ishmael)
4. Ishaq (Isaac)
5. Lut (Lot)
6. Ya’qub (Jacob)
7. Yousef (Joseph)
8. Ayyub (Job)
9. Musa (Moses)
10. Harun (Aaron)
11. Dawud (David)
12. Sulaiman (Solomon)
13. Ilias (Elias)
14. Al-Yasa (Elisha)
15. Yunus (Jonah)
16. Zakariyya (Zechariah)
17. Yahya (John)
18. ‘Isa (Jesus)
QuoteSo it is better to call and translate Messiah Jesus, Ibn Mary instead of Messiah
Jesus, son of Mary.
Ibn - son of
bin is used sometimes by arabs but the Quran uses ibn all the time
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i don’t know why the one who protected her chastity is not a proof for a virgin birth.
And the one who protected her chastity, so We blew into her from Our Spirit, and We
made her and her son a sign for the worlds. 21:91
Also Mary, the daughter of Imran, who maintained her chastity. So We blew into her
from Our spirit, and she believed in the words of her Lord and His Scriptures; and she
was of those who were obedient. 66:12
صيّا
ِ حمََلتْهُ فَان َت َبذَتْ بِ ِه َمكَانًا َق
َ َف
So she was pregnant with him, and she went to deliver in a far place. 19:22
سيّا
ِ سيًا مّن
ْ َت ن
ُ ت َقبْلَ َهذَا َوكُن
ّ ِت يَا َليْ َتنِي م
ْ َج ْذعِ النّخْلَ ِة قَال
ِ فََأجَاءَهَا ا ْل َمخَاضُ ِإلَى
Then the birth pains came to her, by the trunk of a palm tree. She said: “I wish I had
died before this, and became totally forgotten!” 19:23
شيْئًا َف ِريّا
َ ِجئْت
ِ ْحمِلُهُ قَالُو ْا يَا مَ ْريَمُ لَ َقد
ْ ت بِهِ قَ ْو َمهَا َت
ْ ََفَأت
Then she came to her people carrying him. They said: “O Mary, you have come with
something totally unexpected!” 19:27
ك َب ِغيّا
ِ ك امْرَأَ سَوْءٍ َومَا كَانَتْ ُأ ّم
ِ ن مَا كَانَ َأبُو
َ ختَ هَارُو
ْ ُيَا أ
“O sister of Aaron, your father was not a bad man, and your mother was never
unchaste!” 19:28
Her people thought that she made a mistake but she to Jesus who is a child in a cradle
ص ِبيّا
َ ِن فِي ا ْل َمهْد
َ فَأَشَا َرتْ إَِليْ ِه قَالُوا َكيْفَ ُنكَلّ ُم مَن كَا
So she pointed to him. They said: “How can we talk to someone who is a child in a
cradle?” 19:29
Jesus who is a child in a cradle spoke to her people as a sign that she did not give a
normal birth and she did nothing wrong
جعََلنِي َن ِبيّا
َ َلّ آتَانِيَ ا ْل ِكتَابَ و
ِ ع ْبدُ ا
َ قَالَ ِإنّي
He said: “I am God’s servant, He has given me the Scripture and made me a prophet.”
19:30
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i don’t see the problem with a virgin birth
peace
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(viii) The Qur’an emphatically and repeatedly states that all human beings are
procreated from both male and female, without exceptions.
(ix) Even God would not have an offspring since He never had a mate. [6:101].
(x) Verse 19:22 narrates Mary moving far-off from her village.
Since Mary had broken the rules of the shrine, she and her family kept the marriage
with Joseph Carpenter confidential. When she became pregnant, the husband and wife
decided to move far away to avoid the mockery of people.
With the Glorious Name of God, the Instant and Sustaining Source of all mercy and
Kindness.
6. 6 Stefan
In verse 19:23 it appears that Mary is talking to her husband. Violation of the
sanctuary rules, a land far from home, lack of shelter and labor pains all add to her
grief. Now a few important concepts given in the Qur’an that strongly negate the
fallacy of the “Virgin Birth” of Jesus.
سيّا
ِ سيًا مّن
ْ َت ن
ُ ت َقبْلَ َهذَا َوكُن
ّ ِت يَا َليْ َتنِي م
ْ َج ْذعِ النّخْلَ ِة قَال
ِ فََأجَاءَهَا ا ْل َمخَاضُ ِإلَى
Then the birth pains came to her, by the trunk of a palm tree. She said: “I wish I had
died before this, and became totally forgotten!” 19:23
ح َتكِ سَ ِريّا
ْ َجعَلَ َرّبكِ ت
َ ْل تَحْ َزنِي قَد
ّ ح ِتهَا َأ
ْ ََفنَادَاهَا مِن ت
But then he called to her from beneath her: “Do not be sad, your Lord has made below
you a stream.” 19:24
ج ِنيّا
َ طبًا
َ ج ْذعِ النّخْلَ ِة تُسَا ِقطْ عََل ْيكِ ُر
ِ ِك ب
ِ وَ ُهزّي إَِل ْي
“And shake the trunk of this palm tree, it will cause ripe dates to fall upon you.” 19:25
سيّا
ِ حمَنِ صَ ْومًا فَلَنْ ُأكَلّمَ ا ْليَوْمَ إِن
ْ ّحدًا َفقُولِي ِإنّي َنذَرْتُ لِلر
َ ن مِنَ ا ْلبَشَرِ َأ
ّ ِع ْينًا فَِإمّا تَ َري
َ َفكُلِي وَاشْ َربِي َوقَرّي
“So eat and drink and be happy. If you see any human being, then Say: “I have
declared a fast for the Almighty, and I will not talk today to any of mankind.”" 19:26
she is not talking to her husband, she is talking to God and God is telling her to say “I
have declared a fast for the Almighty, and I will not talk today to any of mankind.”
and 19:20 is a proof that Jesus is not the son of any human being
She said: “How can I have a son when no man has touched me, nor do I desire such?”
19:20
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peace
7. 7 Sukran
“19:19. He said: I am only a messenger of your Lord: That I will give you a pure boy.
19:20. She said: When shall I have a boy and no mortal has yet touched me, nor have
I been unchaste?
19:21. He said: Even so; your Lord says: It is easy to Me: and that We may make him
a sign to men and a mercy from Us, and it is a matter which has been decreed.
19:22. So she conceived him; then withdrew herself with him to a remote place.
19:23. And the throes compelled her to betake herself to the trunk of a palm tree. She
said: Oh, would that I had died before this, and had been a thing quite forgotten!
19:24. Then called out to her from beneath her: Grieve not, surely your Lord has
made a stream to flow beneath you;
19:25. And shake towards you the trunk of the palmtree, it will drop on you fresh ripe
dates:
19:26. So eat and drink and refresh the eye. Then if you see any mortal, say: Surely I
have vowed a fast to the Beneficent Allah, so I shall not speak to any man today. ”
I am not sure who is talking with Mary in these ayaths. In 19:19 conversation is
started by a messenger at the time she is informed that she is going to give a birth, but
it is not definite who is talking to Mary from 19:24 at the time of delivery. He/she can
be Allah, angel or even Jesus.
” All men are created from dust, then from a zygote, male and female. [22:5].” Yes,
they are, however, it is sure that Allah (or angels with Allah’s order and permission)
has the power to place the male gamete into a female’s uterus without she is having
intercourse with a man.
But, this does not make Allah anybody’s father. Let’s think about this way: Can a
sculptor be considered as the natural father/mother of his/her sculptures? No. Since
sculpture and sculptor are created from different material, naturally, they cannot be
related as father and child. How ridiculous would it be to assume the SCULPTOR is
made by the same material as SCULPTURE are made like bronze, stone, marble,
limestone, porphyry, or granite!
In Jesus’ example it is even more obvious: Can Creator be the father of a creature?!
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8. 8 Stefan
19:24. Then called out to her from beneath her: Grieve not, surely your Lord has
made a stream to flow beneath you;
“Then called out to her from beneath her” the conversation is continuing from verses
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9. 9 Sukran
10. 10 Stefan
I think that it was the Holy Spirit, and Mary was alone.
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