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He said the Cabinet also agreed that the relevant date of application of the Islamic law to any Islam converts was the person's conversion date. To give effect to the decision, the Attorney-General's Chambers will be asked to look into all relevant laws that need to be amended, excluding the syariah law which are under the power of the rulers. In the case of Mohd Ridzuan and Indira Gandhi, Nazri said the minister in charge of religious affairs in the Prime Minister's Department, Senator Datuk Jamil Khir Baharom will meet Mohd Ridzuan to counsel him. -- Bernama
"The Bar Council welcomes the decision, which is consistent with the position we took when Tun Abdullah Ahmad Badawi was the prime minister, said its Constitutional Law Committee chairman Edmund Bon. "And when there was a debate on recommendations for the Law Reform Bill, that was our suggestion -- that the child continues in the religion of the marriage." Bon told theSun such conversions should only be made by the children themselves when they were of a sufficient age to do so. "I think that it is right, and that it is consistent with past practices where there should be no compulsion to change the religion of a child because one parent converts to Islam," he said. "Of course, if the child is of a mature age and is not subject to any duress or influence and is of sufficient maturity, international law provides that the child should have a say in the adoption of his or her own religion. "Under the Convention of the Rights of the Child, which has been ratified by Malaysia, the child should have a say in his or her religion of choice." Bon called on the Attorney-Generals Chambers "to work to draft a law putting the cabinet decision into action. "The attorney-general must draft the law to implement this policy, and clarify the constitution. The A-G must clarify and clear any doubts in the constitution as the Malay language version says that as long as one parent converts the child, it is sufficient. However, the English version says that the consent of both parents is needed. There is an ambiguity "Prior to this, the A-G took the view that only one parent was needed. But now, as the Cabinet has come up with this decision, the A-G must be consistent with this decision."
Justice Zainal Adzam Abdul Ghani handed down the decision in chambers today in the presence of Indira Gandhi's lawyers, M.Kulasegaran, N. Selvam and Chong Xian Ci. Kulasegaran, when met by reporters later, said they would submit the judicial review in 14 days. In her application for leave to file the judicial review, Indira Gandhi had named six respondents. They are the Perak registrar of converts, the Perak Islamic Religious Department (JAIP), the Perak state government, the Education Ministry, the Malaysian government, and her estranged husband, K. Pathmanathan (now known as Mohd Ridzuan). On April 24 2009, the High court had allowed an ex-parte application by Indira Gandhi to get temporary custody of her three children and also an injunction to prevent her exhusband from entering their home. However, on May 5 2009, the court granted Mohd Ridzuan a stay of its earlier order, leaving the situation to return to status quo with the father having custody of the youngest child and Indira Gandhi of the elder two children. On Oct 29 2009, the Syariah court granted Mohd Ridzuan custody of all three children. However, on March 11 this year, Indira Gandhi was granted custody of their youngest child, which led to Mohd Ridzuan to file an application for a stay of the order, but his bid failed when the High Court set aside the application last April 1. This case drew wide attention because of the conflicting powers of the Syariah and Civil courts where it came to custody of children when one of the spouses converted to Islam. Bernama ===============================================================
non-Muslim children with the consent of either mother or father proves that the Cabinet decision of April 2009 is not worth the paper it is written on. A Cabinet decision is an unwritten law, or common law. It can only be revised by the Cabinet. Civil servants have to give due respect to Cabinet decisions and implement them. In Malaysia, it is the convention that proposed legislation must first get Cabinet approval before it goes to Parliament for the formalities of a debate and vote on it. Rarely has any legislation tabled in Parliament not been passed lock, stock and barrel by the august house. Objections or no objections, practically all legislation or amendments are given the rubber stamp by Parliament as the majority-side Parliamentarians have no choice but to support the Prime Minister. The ruling partys whip will ensure this. Therefore, tabling this Bill without the knowledge of the non-Muslim members of the Cabinet is an act of betrayal. They were a party to the decision of April 2009. It is akin to back-stabbing them. This is a very serious matter as its implications run deep. On the one hand the government talks of fostering closer inter-racial ties, on the other it shows scant respect for their rights. Even the rights of the non-Muslim Cabinet members who were a party to the decision of April 2009 have been trampled on as they were left in the dark over the proposed amendment. Article 12 (4) of the Federal Constitution says the religion of a person under the age of 18 years shall be decided by his parent or guardian. The words parent or guardian in this context cannot mean either mother or father for the simple reason that it takes a man and a woman, a mother and a father, to produce a child. The child is therefore the common property of both the mother and the father until the age of maturity from whence the child is on its own. So how can the law allow one of them to grab the child from the other by abusing religion? Im sure there are some Muslims out there who do not support the forced conversion of minors who are born non-Muslims. If God wanted everyone to be a Muslim, he would simply not have created people of different creeds, cultures, religions. When a nonMuslim converts to Islam and then converts his under-aged children, he or she is doing it out of vengeance on the other partner. For whatever reasons, he is taking revenge on the other partner. Not only Islam, but no other religion should abet this vengeful action of the one parent on the other. No religion should tolerate this, let alone welcome it. Religions are for preaching peace and not for provoking enmity between peoples all of whom are children of the one and only God although He is called by different names in different languages.
The surreptitious tabling of the Bill has become a test for all the non-Muslim members of Parliament. Will those who are in arms with Umno support it as required by the Parliamentary whip, or are they ready to stand up and put their foot down and not allow the religious rights of the non-Muslims to be steam-rolled over by parties with a holierthan-thou attitude? In a worst case scenario are they prepared to break ranks and oppose it (not abstain from voting by not attending the session), but by actually being present when a vote is taken and opposing it? This Bill drives wedges between the Muslims and the non-Muslims. Is this what 1Malaysia is all about? Is this creation of animosity between the Muslims and the nonMuslims in full accord with the teachings of Islam? So the Cabinet decision in April 2009 was just to fool the people for a while? Where is the honour of the Cabinet? The proposed law should have codified that decision of the Cabinet instead of throwing it into the drain and coming up with something that is a full about turn. Was Najib pushed by some more powerful hand than his own to table this Bill with the controversial provision that goes against the letter and spirit of the Cabinets decision of April 2009? Please stop driving wedges between the people who have lived as brothers and sisters for so long. - See more at: http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/opinion/2013/07/01/betrayalof-non-muslim-cabinet-members/#sthash.lb64RChS.dpuf
They were responding to the most recent case where a woman in Negri Sembilan has discovered that her two children, minors, have been converted to Islam by her estranged husband without her consent. In April 2009, the government barred such secret conversion of children after the flare-up over the case of an ethnic Indian woman, who faced losing custody of her three children when her estranged husband converted them to Islam without her consent. 'Will the non-Muslim parent get justice?' The council also questioned why matters such as the issue of custody was never discussed with the newly-converted parent by the officer conducting the conversion of the two children? "Is it not mandatory or at least pragmatic and fair for the officer converting underage children to verify custody and other issues from their newly- converted parent? "Can and will the conversion of the children be reversed as it was premised on untruths?" The MCCBCHST also wants the authorities to answer the following: ln making this decision, was the government thinking of the best interests of the children? Will the non-Muslim parent get justice? Will the civil courts abdicate their responsibility on a "misinterpretation" of Article l21(1A) of the federal constitution? Article 121(1A) prevents the civil courts from interfering with the decisions of the syariah courts. Will police ensure the enforcement of the decision of the civil court, should it "have the courage to maintain the rights of a non-Muslim spouse and the children in her custody in a civil marriage"? Will the lslamic authorities then, too, abide by the law? In the Negri Sembilan case, the 29-year-old mother from Jelebu lodged a police report after the Islamic Affairs Department had refused to entertain her appeal for a reversal of the conversion the children, aged five and eight. Although estranged, the couple remain legally married under civil law. However, state Islamic Affairs Department director Johani Hassan had on Sunday said that, under the laws of the state, only the consent of one parent who has embraced Islam is needed to convert their children to Islam.