Author: Frank Boyd <Frank@resourceful.

com> Subject: Disowned energy and the attraction of opposites This isn't about SS per say, but it is about understanding others and what makes them tick. Which is a topic I find fascinating and, as I understand it, is important to SS. Many of you have noticed that people are often attracted to others who are extremely different from them. Like the "nice" girl to the "jerk," etc. Here's an explanation: At some point, as we grow up, we often decide that a particular part of us is wholly unacceptable, and disown that energy. To get an idea of what those energies might be, just look for what a person hates, and if given the power, they would deny existence to. For some it will be: * * * * Weakness Lustfulness Meanness Using others, etc.

Now don't expect them to recognize this. Remember this is dis-owned, and it is probably sub-conscious, if not unconscious. But there is a part of them who realizes that there is a "prodigal son" out there... that they can't be a whole person and leave parts of themselves behind. They want to somehow integrate that energy back into their beingness, but aren't ready to see it within themselves... So... they embrace into their life someone who carries that energy... exemplifies those qualities. And, if progress is made, an opening is created. Some allowance of the disowned energy is fostered, and there is movement toward wholeness. In this way, you are actually served by those who come into your life, who are being what you don't prefer. If for no other reason, they remind you of what you don't prefer. And there's nothing wrong with preferences. There is something unhealthy about judgment and invalidation. I don't prefer sand for dinner, but I don't seek to invalidate sand. I don't wish that it didn't exist. I don't even mind if others want sand for dinner. It is just not what I prefer. If you would like more information about working with disowned energies, Icould recommend a couple of books. If you found this helpful, please let me know. If I don't get positive feedback, I'll just recognize that this is not the forum for that type of information and refrain from offering it again. My reason for offering this is that I appreciate this forum and desire to offer something of value in return for the value I am receiving. Frank@resourceful.moc to reply reverse moc

Author: Tom Vizzini <tvizzini@bellsouth.net> Subject: NLP and Energy ..IRC Chat Sunday the 20th Hi Folks, NLP works great. You can combine it with using the natural energy that exists everywhere. I use some energetic exercises to achieve unconscious rapport. I have been able to draw things into my life by eliciting the modalities of my desires and infusing them with a life of their own. Our objective is to get the most out of your mind! No I do not have any rational explanation for it. I do know it works. I have come up with some exercises that we will discuss and maybe do as a group. Will will do at least one group influence exercise. When? Sunday at 7 PM till ? Eastern time. Where? #progress on Efnet. Rules? Be nice. Be considerate.

If you can't make it the log will be posted on our site by Monday or Tuesday. See you there! Tom

-Tom Vizzini Atlanta Seminar July 23 24 25 100 DOLLAR DISCOUNT UNTIL JUNE 15!!! Http://www.Essential-Skills.com 10 CD Essential Skills seminar set now available Author: nightlight9@hotmail.com <nightlight9@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Disowned energy and the attraction of opposites Welcome to the group. You seem like you will contribute good stuff. Interesting point. I'm not sure I really agree with what you have here. Personally I think it has more to do with there experience as children and also a level of excitement about what is happening (and looks/timing etc). But it is interesting and I think it is not completely off base. So how would you use this in your model. Be mean to nice girls? Be nice to mean girls? In (part of) my model I find out about the girls relationship with her dad and base my actions on that. For instance if he wasn't around, I act aloof. If he was an alchoholic I am hard to please and don't give compiments. If he was a pushover, I'm adversarial (reverse). If he was strict, I am too. NightLight9

Author: John Lewis <diamondguy@mindspring.com> Subject: Sarging, Energy and Fun! Last night I went out on a sarge at a club where I was a regular. It was the first time I had been out in almost *two months*, due to work and illness, and I just had to finally get out of the house! Now, having lurked on ASF for quite some time, I adopted a mental state that crosses James Bond with Cary Grant (suits my nature); in my mind, I OWNED the club--and by God, I was going to have a good time! To paraphrase someone's sig I saw: "I'm the best there is and the best there WILL BE here tonight." Thanks to others who have posted and shared, I was able to do things that in my total AFC days I would NEVER have done: Sarged two or more chicks who were together (and did quite well); Kino, Kino, Kino!; Crashed and Burned multiple times, without affecting my sarging OR my state (one girl shot me the finger; I responded "I see you can count to 'one' in Italian"--cracked her friends up); Said what was on my mind (sometimes without thinking, but I'm learning!) in response to bitch shield behavior; Maintained a high energy level, and demonstrated it throughout the night. That last appeared to be important, since so many of the AFC's in the club were droopy-eyed and round-shouldered from not getting enough rest before hitting the town. I think this was key for me, since my illness had *forced* me to stay horizontal--and I've kept up the habit of getting "proper" rest/sleep. This meant that in comparison, I just

had an energy aura that made me *stand out* from the AFC's. Best part was that it all felt completely natural and unforced on my end. Man, it was great! Sorry, guys, no # or *closes to talk about--but I wanted to tell everyone, especially the newbies, that if you have any doubts that this material works--discard them at once! ASF Rules! Author: hooker@my-deja.com <hooker@my-deja.com> Subject: Sexual Energy? I found the following the following article on flirtzone.com. Women can sense this stuff a mile off, and not for the wrong reasons either. Let me know what you think. Sexual energy is one of the most powerful motivating forces in our life. We were designed to reproduce and the urge is primally imprinted. As we evolve, we still have this primal driver but our urge to reproduce whilst strong is no longer the life and death matter it used to be. So what do we do with all this excess sexual energy? We can learn to harness and use this motivational force in other areas of our life What makes a woman desire a man instantly? My friend Karen says that sometimes she walks into a room and it's like she's been hit by a wall of testosterone. In fact she's closer to the truth than she realises. Its usually coming from a certain type of man I know that feeling. Some men give it off and others dont. So whats the secret?

How to generate sexual energy 1.Lie down, sit or stand - it only matters that you are comfortable 2.Locate your hara point and focus your attention on it. Relax and inhale and exhale a few times until your breathing is slow and regular. Just let it happen. 3.Close your eyes if you wish. 4.Begin to think of the ultimate sexual fantasy that turns you on. If necessary, watch the porn, read the book, think the thoughts you need to in order to get the fantasy going 5.Notice where the feelings are in your body. Breathe as if you are moving those feelings up the front of your spine through the middle of your body, wafting past your heart and to the top of your head. As you breathe out, imagine the energy waving back down over the top of your head, down through the back of your spine to the hara point. 6.Loop the feelings round and round, while still maintaining the fantasy. Don't attempt to masturbate at this time. This is not about trying to reach orgasm. Just allow the sexual feelings to move around your body. Notice as they subside and continue to breathe. 7.Relax. 8.Do this again, and again. What you are doing is generating sexual energy, but not using it to create orgasm. This energy is very empowering. The more you generate it on a daily basis, the more juiced up you are going to be for life. 9.If you feel so turned on that you have to do more, then practise what my friend Guy calls stop- start wanking/masturbating. Bring yourself to the brink as many times as possible, breathe the energy round your body and continue like this for as long as you are revelling in the great feelings. 10.Good.. this is very very good for you...you are building up your sexual energy... and it can be used for all sorts of wonderful things...

Author: MiG <migspam@atlas.cz> Subject: Re: Sexual Energy? Nice, but in the end, you'll have to jack off because you have accumulated just too much sexual energy and cant focus on anything else. MiG Author: David A. Burgess <david@cliotools.com> Subject: Re: Sexual Energy? I wouldn't discout it that quickly, Gun. Even if it doesn't work for the reasons stated, it still might work for other reasons. Think about it: you're putting yourself in a sexual frame of mind. You know how when you're horny, your jokes have more of a tendency to be sexual, and you might get a little more aggressive because you'll be more receptive to the body-language that females are putting off... similarely, women will sense a more confident aggressive attitude... they will sense that you're not afraid to be sexual... it's like a non-verbal SOI. So whether or not the "spiritual" or "mystical" part of it is for real, it still has benefits. I've found that to be true for a lot fo things... there are so many rituals and "spells" and stuff like that might very well be attributed to something metaphysical, but their effects could also be explained in scientific terms. So why worry about the label it comes in? If the effect is desired, and the effect is achieved through these "unusual" means, then go hard! ~DAB Gunwitch1 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hooker wrote: I found the following the following article on flirtzone.com. Women can sense this stuff a mile off, and not for the wrong reasons either. Let me know what you think. Sexual energy is one of the most powerful motivating forces in our life. We were designed to reproduce and the urge is primally imprinted. As we evolve, we still have this primal driver but our urge to reproduce whilst strong is no longer the life and death matter it used to be. So what do we do with all this excess sexual energy? We can learn to harness and use this motivational force in other areas of our life What makes a woman desire a man instantly? My friend Karen says that sometimes she walks into a room and it's like she's been hit by a wall of testosterone. In fact she's closer to the truth than she realises. Its usually coming from a certain type of man I know that feeling. Some men give it off and others dont. So whats the secret? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Its no secret these guys are good looking. I really cant suspend disbelief with bullshit like this. Whats more reasonable? Visual sexual cues of attraction? or some stupid karen bitches "vibe she gets" from sexual energy?

Author: Gunwitch1 <gunwitch1@cs.com> Subject: Re: Sexual Energy? david burgess wrote: I wouldn't discout it that quickly, Gun. Even if it doesn't work for the reasons stated, it still might work for other reasons. Think about it: you're putting yourself in a sexual frame of mind. You know how when you're horny, your jokes have more of a tendency to be sexual, and you might get a little more aggressive because you'll be more receptive to the body-language that females are putting off... similarely, women will sense a more confident aggressive attitude... they will sense that you're not afraid to be sexual... it's like a non-verbal SOI. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If all it does is get you sexually amped up hence changing your behavior then

it wouldnt put off a "vibe" right away it would be "when im around this guy he jsut really turns me on" not "when they walk in the room blah blah blah". Also if you want to get your behavior more sexual in nature just go a week without hitting a nut the watch a porno before going out. Author: Casey <casey20474@nospam.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Sexual Energy? gunwitch1@cs.com (Gunwitch1) wrote in <20010412010317.13994.00003454@ng-fd1.news.cs.com>: >Also if you want to get your behavior more sexual in nature >just go a week without hitting a nut the watch a porno before going out. pahahahaha... I don't know... that just cracked me up. hahahahaha. Author: Seth <seth@hotmail.com.cz> Subject: Quiet Confidence vs. Mr Energy Guys, Something I've been mulling over is the difference between being "Mr Energy" ie the "showman" and "Mr Quiet Confidence".. I noticed in one of Rio's recent posts he says he tends to supress his expressive side, use an emotionless face and this works for him. Myself I tend to drift between the two.. I find that if I'm Mr. Energy I can have everyone in an intimate pub or bar responding positively to me, and I feed off that energy in a snowball effect and before long I get so caught up in being the showman, the "larakin" and the "silly bugger" that I lose sight of PUing. On the other hand.. sometimes I play the "Quiet Confidence" game.. let someone else bullshit away to an HB while I watch with an arrogant (confident?) little "here we go" smirk on my face. Again, this can lead to the other extreme where you are so quiet, no one ever finds out you're confident! Do people have a preferred "mode" to operate in? I'm sure the answer (as with all things in life) lies somewhere in balancing the two.. perhaps fractionating (?) and fluctuating between the two roles?? Seth. Author: K-Dawg <kg911@Hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Quiet Confidence vs. Mr Energy I'm always Mr. Energy when I'm in a group, or at a party. Meeting people, guys and girls. However, once I have a HB worth sarging I tend to tone it down more and more as I get more and more focused on her, and less focused on the general atmosphere of the room. And then I just pour on the kino, and the quiet confidence is just there with the eye contact and low key voice. Thats what works best for me. K-Dawg Author: Shadow <744@inorbit..com> Subject: Re: Quiet Confidence vs. Mr Energy I'm naturally quietly confident. But then I've never been extroverted in any way. Having said that, while I'm never a Mr. Energy type, I am starting to become, well, a little more energetic. I expect Mr. Energy would come across as more ALPHA unless the quietly confident guy was WAY smooth at the technique. Shadow Author: maddman <maddman_75@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Quiet Confidence vs. Mr Energy Shadow <744@inorbit..com> wrote in message news:<9lnpj0$a0p0t$3@ID-102962.news.dfncis.de>... > I'm naturally quietly confident. But then I've never been extroverted in > any way. Having said that, while I'm never a Mr. Energy type, I am > starting to become, well, a little more energetic.

> > I expect Mr. Energy would come across as more ALPHA unless the quietly > confident guy was WAY smooth at the technique. > > Shadow Both of them have to be smooth. Mr. Energy can come off as what Toecutter called a 'try-hard.' Someone who tries way too hard to be the center of attention. It looks needy, desperate for approval. You can go too far in either direction. maddman Author: wayne rasmussen <XvirtualDoNotSpamMe@gomonarch.com> Subject: Re: Quiet Confidence vs. Mr Energy But this guy is talking about imitating one or the other which is a desparate need for approval. Author: Commander Zap <unknown email address> Subject: Do we radiate PUA energy after a while or what? Hi, Bastian! You asked, "Have you previously said or did anything to her?" Answer, not in the slightest, for goodness sake she has a very young infant son! But I think people pick up an energy about me that they didnt' before ASF. I have literally turned heads walking down the street, that's certainly new. And it just happened again right now: I got CB'd on an airplane when a guy took a seat right between me and some HB. I got to talking first to the CB, then to both of them, and we all had a good time. She takes the trouble to put her mobile number down for me when she initiates business card exchange with the two of us. That may have been an IOI, I guess it was, but I kind of liked both of them and I was fairly comfortable leaving it as an LJBF situation. I made no move on her at all. So she just writes me, she found my e-mail address on my card. How am I and what's new? It was "great" meeting me, supposedly. But how "great" could it have been? It just makes me laugh! So, yeah, I'll try to lay her if it means that much to her, it looks like it may be pretty easy! LOL! Something about me must have changed and people are picking up on it, I have to conclude that. I think it must be true for many of us, yes? Zap Author: HunterS <unknown email address> Subject: Do we radiate PUA energy after a while or what? The short answer is yes. This RAFC has noticed the outright attention received in ordinary life is just way up....cars with girls honk at night, chicks smile and wave in clubs...GFs of friends let in be known that they think you are great. IMO it's simple...social proof rules for girls in a way it doesn't for guys. HunterS Author: Dreamz <unknown email address> Subject: Do we radiate PUA energy after a while or what? On 6/10/02 12:58:00 PM, poet wrote: >On 6/10/02 6:39:00 AM, Commander Zap >wrote: >>I was at the most traditional, >>prim, couples dinner, when >>husband of mother of two (tiny >>infant son) asks her >>"playfully" (i.e., insecurity) >>if she has a thing for me. >>Keeps up this "playfulness" >>till she has to give him an

>>open mouth kiss to shut him >>up/reassure him. >> >>Zap > > >Definitely yes Zap. I agree. We do. And no, I disagree. We don't. Confused? read on. A general rule of the way we think: What you focus on, you notice. What you focus on displaying, others will eventually notice. I have changed. My awareness of what to do; how to act with women, has increased immensely. As a result, I sometimes get the feeling that women are "drawn" to me, before I even attempt to open up a set. That is not because we "radiate" PUA energy though. It's merely because we condition our minds to "tune in" to pick up IOI's and AI's from women - as opposed to before, when we weren't focused. We focus on PUA'ing, and we notice the signs women send out in a PUA situation. Others will eventually notice that we are focused on being PUA's and know what it is we're doing when around women, and will, in turn send us IOI and AI. - Hope this makes sense. Naughty Dreamz Show me your dreams, and I'll show you the man who lets you realize them. Author: Devilhimself <unknown email address> Subject: Do we radiate PUA energy after a while or what? On 6/10/02 9:03:00 AM, Bastian wrote: >>I agree. When this PU stuff is >internalized, our current identity can't >help but show through in our speech and >behavior. Afterall, we are not in the >majority and people will have to detect >a contrast from the common trend. I agree as well. I notice a major difference in the way people behave towards me. Other guys give me respectful nods more often in daily life, and as far as women go, a lot more IOIs, AIs etc. wherever I go (I am in much worse physical shape than last year when I was an AFC, but changing my attitude and beliefs has done more for me than all those days at the gym:-) ) Rick Author: Proto <unknown email address> Subject: Do we radiate PUA energy after a while or what? My idea too when reading this. Especially the claim that you didnt do anything Zap. I dont know you, but I dont do anything either haha. Doing nothing sure gets a lot of girls then. And hell it took me a long time to learn Doing Nothing and it sure is hard work. Proto Author: Maddash <unknown email address> Subject: Re: Do we radiate PUA energy after a while or what? If you want to believe in PUA energy and it works for you, then believe in it. If it doesn't work for you, don't believe in it. Me, personally, I believe in it. I can feel it and sometimes I feel like I can make conscious use of it. It doesn't mean that there is or isn't energy, just that thinking about it works for me. <Commander Zap> wrote in message news:24514.3673@discussion.fastseduction.com... > Hi, Bastian!

> > You asked, "Have you previously said or did anything to her?" > > Answer, not in the slightest, for goodness sake she has a very young infant > son! But I think people pick up an energy about me that they didnt' before > ASF. I have literally turned heads walking down the street, that's certainly > new. > > And it just happened again right now: > > I got CB'd on an airplane when a guy took a seat right between me and some HB. > I got to talking first to the CB, then to both of them, and we all had a good > time. She takes the trouble to put her mobile number down for me when she > initiates business card exchange with the two of us. > > That may have been an IOI, I guess it was, but I kind of liked both of them and > I was fairly comfortable leaving it as an LJBF situation. I made no move on > her at all. So she just writes me, she found my e-mail address on my card. > How am I and what's new? It was "great" meeting me, supposedly. But how > "great" could it have been? It just makes me laugh! So, yeah, I'll try to lay > her if it means that much to her, it looks like it may be pretty easy! LOL! > > Something about me must have changed and people are picking up on it, I have to > conclude that. I think it must be true for many of us, yes? > > Zap > > Author: Commander Zap <unknown email address> Subject: PUA energy flows involuntarily... Was with LTR at party, totally out of PUA mode as far as I knew, but EC'd a band of chicks coming in to the place anyway. An 8 wriggles nose at me like a cartoon rabbit, was soon all over me. Had to rip self away to get back w/LTR. Point is you exude this shit involuntarily after a while, you PU even when you don't want to! Zap Author: Tunnces_Mach <unknown email address> Subject: Re: PUA energy flows involuntarily... Commander wrote: > Was with LTR at party, totally out of PUA mode as far as I knew, but EC'd a > band of chicks coming in to the place anyway. An 8 wriggles nose at me like a > cartoon rabbit, was soon all over me. Had to rip self away to get back w/LTR. > Point is you exude this shit involuntarily after a while, you PU even when you > don't want to! -I've just recently realized how much is communicated just by the eyes. That chick you refer to probably could tell that you wanted to fuck her where she stands just by looking into your eyes. I think the eyes give away a lot more info than I acknowledged before (not referring to NLP eye cues, instead general "intent"). For example, today I looked at a hot redhead 19 year old (whom I know professionally only), and when we made eye contact her eyes where like "Whoa!", like a firecracker just exploded in front of her face. It was like she could read my thoughts. I broke EC, because to me, she was the one with unusual eyes. I think it's very important to realize how much "the eyes have it".

Author: Commander Zap <unknown email address> Subject: Re: PUA energy flows involuntarily... Well, I think Tunnces is entirely right and I also think that *our* eyes have developed a certain something over time that didn't *use* to be there. Zap Author: marcc <unknown email address> Subject: Re: PUA energy flows involuntarily... On 10/1/02 2:03:00 AM, Commander Zap wrote: >Well, I think Tunnces is >entirely right and I also >think that *our* eyes have >developed a certain something >over time that didn't *use* to >be there. > >Zap Yeah it is probably the fact that when an AFC looks at a girl, and she catches his eyes, his reaction is one of 'getting caught' and a scary one, and he also immediately removes EC. Now, for us, we look at a chick and want to fuck her, she 'catches' your eye, and maybe expects to see the 'fear' or 'getting caught' look in your eyes, instead of thinking "OH SHIT I GOT CAUGHT" , we think "ok I still wanna fuck her ;-)", and she sees THOSE eyes, and they are not going away I think the difference is *there*, and not in the point of sending messages thourgh your eyes or not marcc Author: Commander Zap <unknown email address> Subject: Re: PUA energy flows involuntarily... On 10/1/02 8:54:00 AM, marcc wrote: >On 10/1/02 2:03:00 AM, Commander Zap >wrote: >>Well, I think Tunnces is >>entirely right and I also >>think that *our* eyes have >>developed a certain something >>over time that didn't *use* to >>be there. >> >>Zap > >Yeah it is probably the fact that when >an AFC looks at a girl, and she catches >his eyes, his reaction is one of >'getting caught' and a scary one, and he >also immediately removes EC. > >Now, for us, we look at a chick and want >to fuck her, she 'catches' your eye, and >maybe expects to see the 'fear' or >'getting caught' look in your eyes, >instead of thinking "OH SHIT I GOT >CAUGHT" , we think "ok I still wanna >fuck her ;-)", and she sees THOSE eyes, >and they are not going away > >I think the difference is *there*, and >not in the point of sending messages >thourgh your eyes or not > >marcc > Marcc, you silver-tongued fucker you!

What you have laid out is a *perfect* description of how I used to be vs. how I am now! I don t see how you are truly disagreeing with Tunnces, but you have got the idea down exactly right I think: she looks at our eyes and we look straight into her eyes and smile as we think, goddam right I wanna fuck her! That is what happened to me at my party! LOL! Zap Author: arby_acolyte <unknown email address> Subject: Gunwich style and Chi energy... I dunno if anyone here has read "The Celestine Prophecy"? Great book. Not only is it an excellent read if you're into the whole spirituality thing, but it's also cool 'cause chicks just lap that shit up. Needless to say... I was reading a summary of the books points, and on of them was "Where the attention goes, the energy flows". Now, of course it's speaking much more in terms of 'chi' energy, but I see a correlation between that entire school of thought and something like Gunwich's whole concept of getting turned on all over the chick. Girls are WAY more intuitive than the average guy, and yes, they can pick stuff up more readily that a guy. They are more in tune with this energy and hence would, indeed be more likely to respond to your 'attention'. If you carry a desperate 'aura'. (Like I used to (and sometimes still do) they'll connect with you on that. If you carry a alpha aura or a sexy aura. Similary, they'll connect with that. It's also a whole part of setting her 'mode' for want of a better word. If you exude enthusiasm, she'll feel your energy and connect. If you exude misery.... or desperation.... or shyness.... Author: Blunto <unknown email address> Subject: Gunwich style and Chi energy... hey bra, Yeah, your thoughts on chi and energy are sorta okay, firstly chi is something you cultivate over time and many years of practise, it is the vital energy in your body or any living thing. You are born with it, otherwise u'd be dead, but it's in it's simplest form. It does'nt matter though how much chi you have developed, or wether you can generate chi. It's not got bag bitches for you. So, yeah your thinking on a positive attitude, will defintely reflect outwardly and women will pick this up. I don't think women are more attuned to energy or aura's anynmore than you or I are. If you wanna use shit from books about chi and other energy shit that people love talking about at coffee shops and shit - go ahead, chicks do lap the crappola up. I would'nt however use it on someone who knows what's crackin, less you wanna come off looking like a plonka. Sweet! Author: ColorfulBull <unknown email address> Subject: Gunwich style and Chi energy... I've been practising inner martial arts for more than 4 years. This includes chi-kung training as well (cultivating your inner chi using different movements) As far as I can tell, the knowledge of chi will not bring you further in your PUs. Attitude will, however. If you read more books (including newer Redfield books) you will learn that your thoughts and attitudes are projected to the outside world creating nets of energy. If a net is dense enough, it will manifest into our reality. Everything consists of energy: materials are just the dense form of pure energy. This explains why attitude is so important. If you wish to read on, I can suggest you some books on the topic. BTW: Any ideas on how to use this stuff I know in my PUs? I don't think

speeking of New Age crap will get me laid though... Author: arby_acolyte <unknown email address> Subject: Gunwich style and Chi energy... I suppose that all this is, essentially what I was saying. Maybe 'Chi' is the wrong name to give it - I just hate calling it 'energy' because then you sound like a fucked-up stoner loser. "Hey, feel the energy dude and chill...." But yes. No doubt. It starts inside and is exuded. It is then perceived as your disposition. Nothing I'm saying here is new - I just think it's useful to keep congnisance of it: A successful PUA will not doubt more often than not be a reasonably well-grounded individual (spiritually). Author: gunwitch <unknown email address> Subject: Gunwich style and Chi energy... ???????? As i said, "eat the fruit, dont take the vitamins out and put em in a pill". It could involve elements of this when you get into sexual state and convey it. If you study magick/energy arts/have a sense of logic you know that almost all earthly things feed off of, are connected to, or are spawned from each other in one way or another. To deny the possibility of these things is just as bad as claiming you can harness them with the current minds we have. "make the ho say no"

off topic, word game:

Guys,

Author: breakbeat <unknown email address> Subject: More for the Wolves: breakbeat meets Energy (long)

I was in Munich last night to wing with another ASFer, Energy. Circumstances were not the best to begin with. The evening in addition to my apparent beta position under many circumstances did however show me that the biggest weakness in my game is probably my dealing with GUYS, not with girls, and tought me that things have to harmonize between wings extremely well for winging to work. We went to "Kunstpark", an area in Munich stuffed with bars and clubs. On the metro there were two cute blondes (both 8.5) who were talking about chemistry. I opened with "so, mixing your own drugs, eh." We chatted about were we and they were going. They said they were going to 'Luder-something' (can't remember the exact name. "Luder" is german vor "Vamp") She said that was the kind of place people danced naked on the table. I said she was wearing a bit much for that. She went to her friend to say "You hear, we're wearing too much to go to Luder-XXX" which in my interpretation was a sign of lacking rapport, she basicallly repeated everything I said to her friend. Later they told me and Energy they could get us VIP tickets and that we should meet them at the place and gave us what turned out to be false directions to the place when we asked later. I would have preferred to challenge them if they were bullshitting us but had left the lead to Energy who simply complied. Small excursion to a major SP of mine: I am severely beta. When I was at the gymnasium I didn't get along very well with anybody at all, then I had two friends (both WBAFCs, to them I was alpha... well, that's SOMETHING), after that there was a time when I hung out with chicks only (and was beta to them, UGH). Anyway they made for good social proof and I scored occasionally and they tolerated me sarging around when they were there. Actually I had more or less the same role that many LSE chicks have who hang around groups of guys, except that nobody abused me or anything. In that time I learned to flirt really well because it was what kept me in the group. Now I can tease the hell out of a chick and get her to follow me around, but only with chicks who are not too used to alpha guys, so no tens for me until I fix that problem. So you think you're really alpha and could kick my

sorry little beta ass. Will you post your alpha toolbox? In Kunstpark Energy got approached by some thirty-something koogers of whom the alpha-chick (7.5) approached Energy and I got to talking with one of her friends (a 6) and I also talked to the warpig who was with them because she looked really alone and uncomfortable. The 6 isolated herself for me (indirectly but blatently proposed that we go out) and I was like sure (I have a thing for older girls) and we went out. I was unsure of wether she was into me up until that point. Outside I was working my way towards getting physical with her. I usually try to create a situation where I have an excuse to be physical (why don't you massage me / scratch my back / etc.), hence, no direct SOI. I am therefore a bit slower than others might be. In this case it was deadly because the alpha-chick came out looking for us. The 6 got really pissed at her and we went back again. I danced real close to the 6 until she pushed me away. I decided to sarge some of the other girls. I pretended I was american (I speak american english with a mixture of boston/midwest accent) and asked her what's up how's munich. I eventually stalled. Energy had left with the group so I went to another bar where I experienced complete state breakdown. This is a beta reaction I have when I feel I am 'being judged or rejected' by a group leader. I am working on this using EFT and other techniques. After recovering I wrote an SMS to Energy who then returned and had experienced breakdown as well and was expressing his doubts about continuing with ASF due to his dislike for manipulation. We had a discussion about the ethics of manipulating and the downsides of PUA lifestyle, and Energy decided not to post for a while. Strangely, after I saw Energy was in a weaker state than I was and I had the lead again, my energy level and sarging abilities hypercharged. We went to another crowded bar where there was a cutie (7.5) at a table rocking her head to the beat. I imitated her and smiled, she smiled back and laughed. We joined her and her friend and I had a fun convo with the girl. I played the questions game and we ended up talking about sex and blow jobs and unusual places for about an hour. I tried two isolation attempts ('let's go over there where it's more quiet' and 'let's go dance a bit') but she refused both. After about two hours we decided to go home. She kissed my cheek but not the mouth (after all her friend was there). On the way home we approached a few groups of 9s for practice and turned in empty-dicked. Reflection My main SP hit me full force in the nose again, my fear of dominant males (this is mainly due to my parents and getting beaten up a lot in school). I'm working on it with full contact sports to get over my fear of getting hit in itself, and by employing alphaness strategies to defend myself should the need arise. For wings, I believe the less alphaness games going on the better. Much like on ASF wings should be co-operating to achieve the common goal (getting laid) and support each other and be open to truthful criticism. Of course this only works if the wings know and trust each other to some extent. In retrospect I did not put enough effort into generating trust with Energy and too much with telling him about my accomplishments. It was cool to be able to talk about ASF tactics IRL, other priorities should have weighed higher though. Second possibility would have been to employ alphaness tactics. Maybe it's because I still think beta a lot, conversation that has more elements of "I understand you, you understand me" feels much more healthy to me than conversations that show that "I am to be respected more than you." I supposed the solution could be to be as open as possible and leave the formation of a respect hierarchy to competence in PU. So you're REAL alpha. Can you give me some input on this? There you go, wolves, eat up. I'm bad at alphaness strategies but I'm no pansy and I can take as much criticism as you can muster. Tear the stuff to shreds, I'm by far not good enough yet. f.m. breakbeat

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Author: neo <unknown email address> Subject: High vs Low-Energy On 6/14/03 11:13:00 AM, Tenshu wrote: >However, I feel this >high-energy approach is >somewhat in conflict with the >lifestyle and ideology(and >even with the 25 alpha >behaviors posted recently) >I >have been trying to assume >over the previous 3 or so >years: that of the natural >alpha, relaxed, > calm, and in >his own reality. all the above are good traits to have from any sane point of view. >That of the >low-energy male. lowenergy does not equal relaxed and calm. lowenergy equals a lack of focus (iow intensity). that cannot be construed as good or useful. > >I'd like to figure this out >soon, as I don't feel >ultimately comfortable with >high-energy sarges, >even >though they are succesful and no, you've made it clear that they are not successful in any useful sense. if they are successful you're comfortable with them (iow they are congruent with who you want to be, NOT that you are comfortable 100% with everything that happens using them, just that you feel assured they will get you where you want to be.). go figure out who you want to be IN DETAIL. imagine you make no mistakes(known wrong-moves) in your life from this point on. where are you in a year? two years? five? what have you accomplished? where are you living? what do you look like? .. you get the idea. figure out where you're going and GO and this will cease to be an issue; you will just pick up what seems to fit your agenda and run with it until you find something better. like gunwitch says, WILLPOWER is key. willpower iow applied focus can't work for you unless you know what you want to use it for. Author: Tenshu <unknown email address> Subject: High vs Low-Energy Hi I'm more or less a follower of TD-method(if there is such a thing) as described in the "how to PU for real" thread. I have been doing these kind of sarges a lot the past half year, all of them high-energy. Operation Mayhem(stealing stuff from them, ...), tickling, high-fiving, etc... However, I feel this high-energy approach is somewhat in conflict with the lifestyle and ideology(and even with the 25 alpha behaviors posted recently) I have been trying to assume over the previous 3 or so years: that of the natural alpha, relaxed, calm, and in his own reality. That of the low-energy male. I'd like to figure this out soon, as I don't feel ultimately comfortable with high-energy sarges, even though they are succesful and TD's method is absolutely money. Any thoughts, comments? Author: TylerDurden <unknown email address> Subject: High vs Low-Energy

Hey man, You have to be careful with high-energy sarges because you risk coming off as too ENTERTAINING. Also, a massive problem is that it makes it too difficult to shift into rapport because its too strong a break in the flow of the sarge. So even though you get massive IOIs, you still won't get anywhere with it because the chick can't picture hanging with you later on down the line, if you're this off the wall. Also, if you haven't done things like work on what you convey, your persona, your higher value establishment routines, then this stuff won't work. Why? Because its designed to keep them there, while you convey what you need in order to attract - but its not an end in itself (although it does attract, but it doesn't build comfort) Consider doing the exact same shit, but without he dancing monkey effect. I've met alot of guys who made the shift, and it upped their game significantly. Also, the high energy stuff is generally reserved for certain scenes, most of which are composed of party chicks.

-TD Author: enliteme <unknown email address> Subject: High vs Low-Energy I've been thinking about some of the same things as you, I have manic high energy. I almost cannot control it sometimes. I think it is cause I am a bartender, and have lots of acting and entertaining experience, and once I get going I really get going. I am beginning to think that it is too extreme. It is very good at attracting sets, and girls love to hang around me at clubs, but like TD said, I think it is coming off as too much. Girls may be a little too intimidated to isolate with me, or perhaps the entertaining is getting in the way of of the seduction. Plus, I have had nights where I am tired and I cannot access my energy. When this happens, all my routines become useless to me-- they just come off as wierd, and as if I am trying to hard. I am going to attempt to develop some more lowkey openers. I have noticed that on occcasion (like after I do something meditative such as yoga) I can be extremely still and calm, but also very focused, and my sexual state also projects very clearly. I want to find the middle-ground between this relaxed alertness and my high-energy bouncing. That is probably the best way in clubs. But I'll try it out and let you know. Author: ExNihiloNihil <unknown email address> Subject: High vs Low-Energy >I have been doing these kind >of sarges a lot the past half >year, all of them high-energy. >Operation Mayhem(stealing >stuff from them, ...), >tickling, high-fiving, etc... > Dude this can all be done alpha/cocky+funny. After getting circled out by a 5 set of 8-9HBs I opened the set by taking the hat off one of them, then putting it back on over her eyes so she couldn't see. That's pretty disrespectful but it worked for me there to open the set because they had just SNUBBED me in a very impolite manner. She even laughed as I put it back over her eyes. Then I asked the group why they didn't respond when I said 'hi' I did 'talk to the hand' to HBbartender as she went to reply (laughs all around).

Eventually just two were left (8.5HBhistory and 9HBbartender). I busted c+f on them then reinforced their good behavior till I was getting IOI from both. I regressed into fluff though having little prepared material, and HBbartender came out of state and dragged HBhistory to the bathroom. Saw HBbartender later on but she avoided getting into long conversation with me. Saw HBhistory while I was standing in the bathroom line (as she was leaving the club) and she came up to me and said goodbye with more IOIs. Of course since I am a keyboard jockey I didn't follow her out and try to push forward or get #close. As far as tickling it could work that way too if you just do it with the right attitude... Do it very calmly and nonchalantly, neutral expression or only very small smile (none of this baby voice "tickle tickle tickle" style shit). I view hugs and kisses and high fives as positive reinforcers, when a chick does something I approve of, I let her know with hand on shoulder and something like "Yes" or "Very good" in a very straight forward friendly but authoritative voice, then big smile and relax my body language and MAKE them give you high five/hug (just pull them in)/kiss (pull them in and tap on your cheek with a wry smile) I have very little game but my attitude is pro - take no shit take no prisoners, respectful till they do something to take that respect away, then I punish them RIGHT AWAY (in a non abusive way) and we're back on even footing. Total classical conditioning, pavlov's dog style shit - girl disrespects you, give her a 'shock' and keep up the pattern till she stays in line. Girl does something you like, REINFORCE IT STUPID. Dogs respond physical/verbal attention and often times I think chicks put less thought into what they actually do than dogs (though they put a lot of thought into how they feel). >However, I feel this >high-energy approach is >somewhat in conflict with the >lifestyle and ideology(and >even with the 25 alpha >behaviors posted recently) I >have been trying to assume >over the previous 3 or so >years: that of the natural >alpha, relaxed, calm, and in >his own reality. That of the >low-energy male. This is going to sound kind of lame I'm sure but when I go clubbing I-AM-ALPHA. PEROID. I make it QUITE clear with my ec/expressions/body language that I am not going to take ANY disrespect from ANYONE. In my case I am FULLY willing and ABLE to back it up by tearing other guys a new asshole, and if girls continue to snub me rudely and repeatedly I'll pull up a chair to their table or step into the middle of their group and just start CONSTANTLY talking about the most random shit just to let them see what the flip side of their stupid behavior is like. Some bitch told me to get out of one of the HUGE booths at a bar in town when her and a friend were sitting in it and they are public domain (in a standing room only club). I interrupted them whenever they were talking by talking to someone near me LOUDLY, then when she would start telling me to go ("get the hell out of our booth/it's bye bye time/etc") I just gave her a mean look and a wry smile. Eventually she broke down and apologized and asked me politely to please leave the table... I didn't get anything out of the exchange (except the satisfaction of knowing that I may have instilled a good behavior pattern in a rude bitch). >I'd like to figure this out >soon, as I don't feel >ultimately comfortable with >high-energy sarges, even >though they are succesful and >TD's method is absolutely >money. I don't remember the whole 25 alpha thing but being an 'alpha' in most environments where I go (clubs/gym/school) all you need is to be in CONTROL of the situation. PERIOD. At the very least this means commanding respect from all those around you, if not actually commanding them ;). It seems to me that some of the 25 un alpha behaviors are more just behaviors that CALL ATTENTION TO your previously existing beta status. If I miss a lift and I try to validate it (or whatever it was called) by saying I didn't get enough sleep last night, I am STILL TOTALLY ALPHA because I'm still lifting 1.5-2x more than the rest of the people on the floor.

Scrap the 25 alpha behaviors and just recognize that you are alpha when you are in control (and you don't need to pretend shit it'll be FUCKING CLEAR to EVERYONE), and remember not to do things that will draw attention to the fact that you are beta when you're not. Author: The Dating Wizard <unknown email address> Subject: High vs Low-Energy >However, I feel this >high-energy approach is >somewhat in conflict with the >lifestyle and ideology(and >even with the 25 alpha >behaviors posted recently) I >have been trying to assume >over the previous 3 or so >years: that of the natural >alpha, relaxed, calm, and in >his own reality. That of the >low-energy male. I used to be big on "high energy" because of the idea of enthusiasm being catchy, etc. And it was great for starting conversations, getting smiles, but as soon as it came to getting numbers, emails, instant dates, it was like "uhhh... sorry, got a boyfriend, but it was nice meeting you.." I find "low energy" the way to go, as long as you realize one thing: It's low energy because you are THE MAN who has everything under total control and who is totally desirable and who therefore does not have to try hard at all, or "entertain" to get attention. It's like taking candy from a baby's (babe's?) mouth...so it's easy as heck. Low energy is a great way to think about it, I like to also think about it as life moving in SLOW-MOTION when you approach a woman, because you are SO TOTALLY RELAXED and confident that you can virtually freeze-frame in your mind each scene before it even happens with total clarityThe scenes in this short movie being: a-I'm walkin up to her b-I'm gonna chat a bit, maybe tease her, nice and cool and takin my time NO MATTER HOW SHE REACTS c-I'll go for the instant date or number/email In my mind, I already know how each movie ends, it's with her number or instant date, etc. So as I'm walkin' up to a girl, I'm almost BORED, (i said ALMOST) but her sexyness helps to get me partially out of my "slumber". You kind of take it for granted that you're going to get her number or email or whatever. And then you DO actually get it. The high energy stuff makes sense though in a club or party atmosphere, and it works to get you in the door, because in a party atmosphere everyone is supposed to be having a good time. So by being HIGH ENERGY you are making it clear that you are "IN" and that you BELONG, that you're not some shy insecure wallflower. But it's crucial to get out of that entertainer zone with a girl once you've got your foot in the door,

and get back to being THE MAN who gets numbers emails, closes, etc. in his sleep. What I like about this "low energy" analogy is that it prevents you from becoming uncool and from losing control and getting nervous. You stay calm and half asleep no matter what, in order to compensate for any over excitedness you might have, so that you are actually in reality just the right balance of cool. When I go up to a woman, NO MATTER WHAT HER reaction to my approach, I still basically stay in the same cool slightly detached state. For example, I was in a mall a while back, and went up to this girl who was walking quickly toward my side of the mall. I didn't try hard to be alert, to be entertaining- I just went up to her, partially gave her a stop gesture with my hand, and said: "where do you think you're going?" and if she said something like "do you ask everyone where they are going?" I'm sure had I been trying hard I would have tried to defend this, or be all funny, etc. So instead, half asleep, I just said "no, only people who are lost and need guidance" Now I really don't think this line is very funny, but what I am convinced made it work was the fact it came out dead-pan, not trying to be funny...and going with the flow. She goes back to me "Are you saying I look lost?" I said, "yeah, of course, you do, it says "help me" all over your face" Again, I don't think this was very funny at all. But it's all in the fact that I'm being very very cool about the whole thing and not trying hard at all. Now, by this time, I was getting into a natural groove, because with most women, all I need is the first ten seconds and the rest is history. So I go on to give her a hard time about where she is going, that she lives in the mall and really doesn't shop anywhere and takes money from the fountains in the mall (the coins in the water). Okay, this was funny, but it's pretty easy to be funny when you already are relaxed and you already have a girl giving you her time and interest. For me, it's all about "assuming the sale" from the get go, and everything else is just to get you past the gate, whatever that particular gate is- i.e. parties takes a bit more energy to "fit in", but it's not the energy that is attracting her, it's you just being a man and her being a woman. As soon as you "try" to do anything beyond the minimum requirements to fit in, to me it just feels like compensation for NOT being the man, which is very unsexy. michael www.thedatingwizard.com >I'd like to figure this out >soon, as I don't feel >ultimately comfortable with >high-energy sarges, even >though they are succesful and >TD's method is absolutely >money.

> >Any thoughts, comments? Author: Slick <unknown email address> Subject: Re: High vs Low-Energy > imagine you make no mistakes(known wrong-moves) in your life from this point > on. where are you in a year? two years? five? what have you accomplished? where > are you living? what do you look like? .. you get the idea. figure out where > you're going and GO and this will cease to be an issue; > you will just pick up what seems to fit your agenda and run with it until you > find something better. This is good. More the point: get your shit under control first. We are in an on-line community here, so of course there are unemployed, go nowhere idiots who claim they know it all. There is one sure way of getting women: be a winner. Not that difficult. Not about money. Or your car. Or your looks. A winner. Simple. Author: Slick <unknown email address> Subject: Re: High vs Low-Energy <TylerDurden> wrote in message news:86308.13217@discussion.fastseduction.com... > Hey man, > > You have to be careful with high-energy sarges because you risk coming off as > too ENTERTAINING. Do entertaining right (especially comedy) and you are in the money. IMO your post refers to your own shit, not ours. Author: mcmoxie <unknown email address> Subject: circulating sexual energy when living the GWM I'm a bit new to the board but long time in the game. I just got done reading the GWM (great great stuff btw), and the first thing I thought of to control one's sexual energy is a technique from the book The Multi-Orgasmic Man by Mantak Chia. It's a great technique to circulate the sexual energy for mental and physical well-being. I'll be succinct and summarize: This energy builds up, usually in your head or in your genitals. If it builds up in your head, you will begin to spend more time fantasizing about sex and women (Lust overload). If it builds up in your genitals, you will feel the need to ejaculate, either through sex or masturbation. A large part of avoiding extraneous Lust is to breathe fully, deeply, purposefully. Your exhales should feel like they are drawing energy down the front of your body, filling your belly and genital region. Your inhales should feel like they are moving energy from your pelvic floor, up your spine, and into your head. By breathing fully in this circle, down your front and up your spine, your internal energy can flow freely. Your head and genitals don't get clogged or tense with energy, and your urge to ejaculate is diminished. Use your imagination and actually FEEL this energy being circulated through your body. I've done this and have found I'm more mentally sharp and physically energized. Have fun with this. Author: Chaco <unknown email address> Subject: circulating sexual energy when living the GWM On 7/8/03 8:31:00 PM, mcmoxie wrote: I have studied this stuff for many years, though I have applied it only off and on (more regularly lately). I had been thinking about posting on this, though it involves a belief in Chinese theories about internal energy, known as "chi", which can seem pretty esoteric to Westerners. I have some brief comments below. I can do a more complete post if other guys express enough curiosity.

>the first thing I thought of >to control one's sexual energy >is a technique from the book >The Multi-Orgasmic Man by >Mantak Chia. I have his "Taoist Secrets of Love." These theories comes from a sect of ancient Taoism that sought to build up, conserve, and use the sexual energy to help gain enlightenment. It's a great >technique to circulate the >sexual energy for mental and >physical well-being. True. Of more practical benefit to PUAs, it will help you last longer before cuming, and thereby make you better in bed. I am becoming convinced that good sex is ESSENTIAL for keeping fuck buddies and MLTRs. I just turned a ONS into an FB and maybe more by giving her sex that was much better than her boyfriend (who is is dumping now....). > >I'll be succinct and >summarize: > >This energy builds up, usually >in your head or in your >genitals. If it builds up in >your head, you will begin to >spend more time fantasizing >about sex and women (Lust >overload). Yes, and it's bad for your health, according to Chinese theories. If it builds up in >your genitals, you will feel >the need to ejaculate, either >through sex or masturbation. >A large part of avoiding >extraneous Lust is to breathe >fully, deeply, purposefully. >Your exhales should feel like >they are drawing energy down >the front of your body, >filling your belly and genital >region. Your inhales should >feel like they are moving >energy from your pelvic floor, >up your spine, and into your >head. The Taoists call this circuit the "Small Heavenly Orbit," an energy channel that runs down the front of your body underneath you groin and then up your spine and into your head where it starts over again. Use your >imagination and actually FEEL >this energy being circulated >through your body. With experience you will feel it. There will be no need to visualize. I can feel it. > >I've done this and have found >I'm more mentally sharp and >physically energized. > >Have fun with this. Can you delay your ejaculation any more easily? This is key to the practice. In fact, if you were an ancient Taoist, you would only cum once for every 10

fucks in order to preserve the energy and let it build up to a great degree. Thanks for the post. PUA's should learn this. -Chaco Author: CheMistrY <unknown email address> Subject: circulating sexual energy when living the GWM My advice is to stay away from this stuff. I got to the point where I could orgasm without cumming. It's weird because afterword my eyes hurt and I felt really agitated. I was a freaking mess until I masturbated and actually shot a load. I think the best way to increase your sexual appetite is just to limit how much you masturbate. After a week you'll be climbing the walls and chasing the punani. "Recognize that you are 'the prize'." Author: Chaco <unknown email address> Subject: circulating sexual energy when living the GWM On 7/9/03 1:49:00 AM, CheMistrY wrote: >My advice is to stay away from >this stuff. I got to the point >where I could orgasm without >cumming. It's weird because >afterword my eyes hurt and I >felt really agitated. I was a >freaking mess until I >masturbated and actually shot >a load. Sounds like you may not have been circulating the energy properly. Just a guess. But yes, it is powerful stuff. One should read the books, not practice based on what is on here. -Chaco Author: gunwitch <unknown email address> Subject: circulating sexual energy when living the GWM I dont personally think anyone should TRY to live the gunwitch method. I recommend more a getting in touch with your ravenous sexuality and use it as a tool to extinguish itself with results it can produce. Thats said i get your point that what i said above is just what youre looking for. I never used any kind of tools to enhance sexual state. I was always VERY high drive, yet did practice other things for martial arts that allow me to switch it on and off easier. These arts you are looking into may in fact do the same. "make the ho say no" Author: mcmoxie <unknown email address> Subject: circulating sexual energy when living the GWM >True. Of more practical benefit to >PUAs, it will help you last longer >before cuming, and thereby make you >better in bed. I am becoming convinced >that good sex is ESSENTIAL for keeping >fuck buddies and MLTRs. I just turned a >ONS into an FB and maybe more by giving >her sex that was much better than her >boyfriend (who is is dumping now....) yep, having good overall game includes skills in bed. >Can you delay your ejaculation any more

>easily? This is key to the practice. >In fact, if you were an ancient Taoist, >you would only cum once for every 10 >fucks in order to preserve the energy >and let it build up to a great degree. I'm multi-orgasmic after practicing the techniques taught in Chia's book. To me, circulating the energy helped me achieve that goal, along with strengthening the pc muscle. Author: CheMistrY <unknown email address> Subject: circulating sexual energy when living the GWM On 7/9/03 8:22:00 AM, Chaco wrote: >On 7/9/03 1:49:00 AM, CheMistrY wrote: >>My advice is to stay away from >>this stuff. I got to the point >>where I could orgasm without >>cumming. It's weird because >>afterword my eyes hurt and I >>felt really agitated. I was a >>freaking mess until I >>masturbated and actually shot >>a load. > >Sounds like you may not have been >circulating the energy properly. Just a >guess. But yes, it is powerful stuff. >One should read the books, not practice >based on what is on here. > >-Chaco I have several books by Mantak Chia including the one on semen retention in addition to many other books on chi gung and chinese medical theory. In addition I am a 6 year practitioner of internal martial arts and chi gung from the lineage of one of the most highly respected internal masters in China (Feng Zhiqiang, if your interested.) In my opinion Mantak Chia is at best confused and at worst a fraud. He has made an attempt to popularize things that take decades of dedication to learn (ie microcosmic orbit, semen retention, etc.). He has attempted to describe Chinese medical theory in terms of crude western anatomy. It is oversimplified. Trust me. Unless you really know what you are doing you're not going to get anything out of this other than frustration. Internal alchemy is one of the hardest and most rigorous types of spiritual training. You can't just dabble. "Recognize that you are 'the prize'." Author: schematic <unknown email address> Subject: Energy levels for sarging I went out last night fully peacocked. I was wearing my pimping black shirt, my killer-cool watch and tipped my hair in this bright flouresent green. I tell you brothers, this was fucking P-I-M-P! However, I just didn't have the energy to really sarge. I went out to this party and pretty much wallflowered the whole night. Not because I was scared to approach (hell, I did some approaches ANYWAY, but they went to hell... I forced this one girl to eject on me calling me an asshole and giving me the finger, those are always fun :) ) but because I just didn't feel like sarging. I was fucking yawning and shit just standing on the dance floor, just kind of zoning out into my own world. I've had nights like this before, I always thought it was from not getting enough sleep or something like that, but I had plenty of sleep yesterday so that couldn't be it. Now, I had an exam earlier in the day and I didn't do a hell of a lot the rest of the day, but that doesn't explain why I'd be so out of it. I work from home so some days I'll sit on my ass for like 9 hours in front of this damn computer (in fact, I'm working right now) but I'll STILL go out and have a fucking killer night. Anyone who goes out frequently knows what its like to be in the zone and just have a fucking killer night, but I just didn't have that energy last

night. I decided to drink to see if that helped at all, but it made no real difference, I still didn't give a fuck about getting up to go sarge. I drank a cup of tea early in the night to see if that would help, but still that didn't do a damn thing for me either. It was like I had this big mental "blah" that made me feel all sedated and just not in the mood to do anything. Ok, so caffeine and alcohol didn't help. Does anyone else have suggestions what to try when feeling this way? I have gone to the gym on days I felt like this, but that didn't do it either. Let me know, schematic Author: willingcm <unknown email address> Subject: Energy levels for sarging If Im feel like that when and out and still want to feel like Im doing something then work on other aspects of pickup, like watching other peoples body language and interactions, and do some inner work. Look at different suitations and just imagine how you would handle them. Learn to be able to change youre mind set at will & look at things from a different angle, Hey even doing that will be practising.

"Fear Kills more people than death". Author: aseac <unknown email address> Subject: Re: Energy levels for sarging Hello, schematic! You wrote on Sat, 18 Oct 2003 14:50:00 -0400: [skip] s> I've had nights like this before, I always thought it was from not s> getting enough sleep or something like that, but I had plenty of sleep s> yesterday so that couldn't be it. Now, I had an exam earlier in the day s> and I didn't do a hell of a lot the rest of the day, but that doesn't s> explain why I'd be so out of it. I work from home so some days I'll sit s> on my ass for like 9 hours in front of this damn computer (in fact, I'm s> working right now) but I'll STILL go out and have a fucking killer s> night. Anyone who goes out frequently knows what its like to be in the s> zone and just have a fucking killer night, but I just didn't have that s> energy last night. [skip] U came there first of all to have fun, not to pickup. I would say relax, enjoy the show, :). Get a drink near tv and make funny comments to urself. like talk yourself, make comments, etc. Or there is another idea, when you are there, just tell yourself something positive (e.g. What a nice ass I have... or my ass is the assest in here.. something silly and positive). I think that when going sarging better mood would be to go to have fun, and if girls dont want to join they are missing a lot of fun stuff (YOU). With best regards, Alex Chakhnovski. E-mail: aseac(at)inbox.ru Author: enm <unknown email address> Subject: LR: HBEnergy - a bit long Hb 9 (great slim body, age 37, me 26, long black hair) It started at the place she works, where only tourist can buy things. I am working near by, so I went and bought one thing in a shop, she masked it so the security didn't saw it on cameras. And that was it she said, when she noticed me.

She said, I was different 'cause I had the guts to do it, but for me it was like nothing special, because I am used to do these small demeanors, but nothing big. So later she approached me and we talked a lot, and I remember the eye contact being very very long and it sure raised some energy on both sides. I didn't want to end it and she neither. So we began the procedure - talking - building comfort, kino - rapport, and teasing all the time. She is good with words, I guess when I will be of that age, I will have so much experience so that won't be a problem. Went for coffee - insta date in working time - fluff, later did the ic and anchor her things in her home to me. Things flow great. Next meeting we go for a walk and then some candies, some dirty sex talk using a great story I made up - how a drunk guy tries to pick up a girl and a lot of dirty words - starts with going out and making out, she responds she would do that, so he advances and so on ... and the top of the story is when 'he' says he will eat her pussy - and girls really get this ddb and get turned on. More kino. Agreed to see after work ended at 23pm so that same night I drive her with my car to the woods, and guess what happens a flat tire - changed it in 20 mins, didn't care about it, and it didn't killed the mood. So we go to the woods - but she didn't not let me close - all shit tests, just hugging and beating me - like tae bo aerobics thing - whenever I tired to kiss her or sth. So after an hour I just rested my case and said it's late and went home. Later she apologized for her behavior - tried to win with her frame of reality, like I was attacking her sexually, but I just said that nothing happened - cause it didn't, and that's where it stayed - my reality. So after 3 days we go for a snack, put some food on her hand, she poked me with fork, than we had a small fight... ended in a car makin out, fingers... And last night finished the job. She was good, I always wanted to be with an older person, so that is done.

Total time: 3 meetings Used: push/pull almost all the time - gave her a small compliment and then took it away ec - energy start to flow

active disinterest - finishing first, don't care -easy said - be the man ic - found out this is one pattern that I use a lot - looks like it does the job well anchoring - at the things she has at home on me - she said she used to think of me a lot

The most important thing was - never let her the power, always be in charge. I noticed it was always that slept with a girl I was really self confident with me and her, like she was my little sister or a school mate I used to joke a lot and could talk about anything especially sex. that's it, a bit long...

thanks td, formhandle, crobadboy, ross

I really enjoyed bishops journal, wonder what you think about it? Author: Ryobi <unknown email address> Subject: LR: HBEnergy - a bit long On 11/2/03 5:00:15 AM, enm wrote: >Hb 9 (great slim body, age 37, >me 26, long black hair) Congrats on getting the lay man. Alot of people would say if she's 37 then it's unlikely she'd be a real 9, whether it's true or not all that matters is how you percieve her. You'll notice that as you get more experienced and better with this you'll be able to lay girls who you come into contact with through your social circle and work situations much easier, as was the case here.

>I really enjoyed bishops >journal, wonder what you think >about it? I'm reading it for the first time at the moment. It's interesting but there was a lot of speculation as to the authenticity of it, and I think even Ross questioned if everything in there was true. Anyway, I heard that he is a con-man and in jail, so take what you read with a grain of salt and try it for yourself to see if it does work that well for you. Ryobi. Author: LuckyLuciano <unknown email address> Subject: sarging moving, high energy hbs in clubs I have been to clubs lately and have noticed that there are certain women that are shb's are like tasmanian devils in clubs..they constantly move around. I haven't figured out a way to sarge them since they are in a constant state of flux. Last night I noticed a guy who managed to get the attention of what I thought was the hottest hb in the club..he danced with her and then bought her a drink and then seemed to dirtydance with her off and on the rest of the night She also would dirty dance with another guy as well. since I am not going to buy a drink or dance, is it even possible to get a hold of these types long enough to the point where they will actually talk to you ? group tactics (mystery style) wouldn't apply because they are always moving about and not really stationed to a group. How do some of you deal with these types? Author: schizmer <unknown email address> Subject: Energy levels (slightly OT)

Do you guys take any sort of vitamins or supplements to pipe up your energy levels? Although I'm young and healthy and I eat right I'm always feeling so lethargic and lazy. There are days, however, when I do have this amazing energy level and I'm unstoppable, although I have no idea what brings this on, and it happens too infrequently. I ask this because the whole "living the PUA life" demands a pretty high energy level as you're always chatting up women, going to the gym, living a good life etc. Any suggestions? Author: AgentJixXx <unknown email address> Subject: State & Energy In clubs what do you do to stay energetic and keep state on? I usually stay around 4 hours in a club. After 2.5 hours my energy goes down. When I lose energy my state goes down too. And I don't want to keep gaming. I want to go home and sleep ;-) Do you use any drugs? Author: truth <unknown email address> Subject: State & Energy I go low carb in normal life and find energy no problem. I find that avoiding sugar based drinks (COKE, Redbull etc) helps me avoid the down at the end. I stick to diet coke and sugar free redbull. If you get a job working the door then these are free. I read a study saying that will power and sleep a directly related. So I make sure I get a good nights sleep on weeknights unless dating. Truth Better than I was but not as good as I will be. Author: Dimitri <unknown email address> Subject: SP: Bringing high energy I tend to bring high-energy frames, which works well with some women, poorly for others. It's hard for me to drop my energy level to match hers and calibrate, though I've found after certain things like hitting the gym or playing a few hours of touch football with friends, I'm laid back and can bring that. Something for me to work on. Anyone who has or had a similar way about them and has insight, I'm all ears. Grandmaster Dimitri, Swash-Buckling Pick-Up Artist Author: TylerDurden <unknown email address> Subject: SP: Bringing high energy Great to see guys posting their sticking points. I'd like to see more SP threads from the top PUAs on the site. It would give them alot of credibility, IMO, and more context to their posts. I post my SPs regularly, because to maintain improvement, you have to recognize and improve upon your SPs at regular intervals. As for your particular SP, you could test yourself to run the lowest energy set possible, with the acceptance that you'll lose sets. Do it for three weeks, 4 nights a week, and see what the outcome is by the end. I do experiments like this all the time, and it improves my skillset phenomenally. Also, because you'll lose sets, you could check out a post I did a month or two back called "How to take the fuck over a set", where I talk about ways to hold sets. This will help you if you lower your energy level, because you'll suffer from a lot of lost sets. The measures in there will help you to hold them, though. Good luck, man.

-TD Author: twentysix <unknown email address> Subject: SP: Bringing high energy BroI used to have this problem all of the time. Im still working on my intensity levels. Focus your energies on talking a lower speedslike TD said. Its gonna help you bro. You can obviously do itjust work on it. I have massive respect for people who look for things in themselves they want to work on and then commence working on eliminating those things. Talk slowerrealize in your head that too intense isnt gonna work for you. When you realize this things will start to go slowerremind yourself. 26 Author: Outrageous <unknown email address> Subject: SP: Bringing high energy Right. Im working through the same difficulty myself. From what I've read Dimitri, there are many similarities in our styles. I like the swashbuckling idea especially seeing as I used to be a full time pirate traveling the seven seas robbing and looting the booty. The best way I have found to get over this is to literally match her level of energy. Obviously this has been said many times before, but there has been no solid procedure provided in which to actually do this. Anyway, try this experiment next time your walking down the street. Match the exact facial expression that people you see are showing. Pay attention to the tenseness/looseness of their facial muscles especially around the area of the temple. As you practice this matching and improve, you will find that not only are you perfectly capable of serving as a mirror image, but you will begin to empathize with people immediately and begin to grasp where they have been/come from. As you develop this ability,and empathy, with people, you will find yourself in repoire with someone you have never met immediately. People pick up on it when someone truly understands them. If a woman you are doing a PU on senses this, she will know that you understand her. The face and her emotions will reveal to you the rate at which to address her. After you enter the state (whatever it is with her), you can then gently move her into the state you would choose. Im sure you already know most of this stuff--here it is anyway! Peace Outrageous Author: AntarcticExplorer <unknown email address> Subject: Re: SP: Bringing high energy

Dimitri wrote: > I tend to bring high-energy frames, which works well with some women, poorly > for others. It's hard for me to drop my energy level to match hers and > calibrate, though I've found after certain things like hitting the gym or > playing a few hours of touch football with friends, I'm laid back and can bring > that. > > Something for me to work on. Anyone who has or had a similar way about them and > has insight, I'm all ears.

Slowing things down has been a problem for me as well. What has been working for me is slowing both my breathing and the speed of talking. I have also learned some relaxation tricks and did some anchoring to help. It has also help to be more patient. Author: Dimitri <unknown email address> Subject: FR: Figured out how to bring low energy...

Yesterday was... interesting. I've recently started wearing some "I don't give a fuck" stuff: Trashy jewelry, audacious clothing out (and I mean really, really trashy jewelry, by the way) and I hadn't gotten off in about a week as of yesterday. And it was... all different. I'm getting some women opening me, shit tests more quickly, and lastly, guys are giving me shit I need to deal with more. In this particular FR, the guy is quite passive, but a couple guys that I ran into yesterday were real dickheads... I always played the low key kinda vibe, worked myself during street... but this one little guy yesterday really tried to go to town on me: Trying to "Zzzzip" like Austin Powers to stop me from talking (which I just kept talking over), gave me a piece of candy, which I accidentally took reflexively. After I took it, I said, "Thanks, man, you're so sweet. I'll hold on to this for a special moment." And he demanded that I eat it now or give it back to him. I put it in my pocket and called him an Indian giver... the chick in question blew both of us out. Hmm. It's humbling how much I've still got to learn. Anyway, I'm getting some dinner when I see a black woman wearing a really cool, flowing black leather coat. I make a point of complimenting things I think are cool genuinely on girls or guys, so as I walk by, Dimitri: Nice coat. HBCoat (shrugging it off): Thanks. Dimitri: I just like to let people know when I see something I genuinely like. And then I go to walk off... but she follows after me. HBCoat: Well, that's good, I like that. I shrug. HBCoat: You should drop by the sorority sometime. Dimitri: Which one? HBCoat: (name) Dimitri: Damn, I'll never remember that. Hey, do a little dance to it and I might... HBCoat (doing a fake cheerleading threestep thing): (sorority name, again) Dimitri (laughing): Haha, cool. Maybe I'll see you - Peace. And I walk off. Anyway, the place I'm at has a grill on one side and soup and lo mein and such on the other and it's set up in a circle. I've walked 1/3 of the way around looking for an Asian girl or a mixed set to sit with, when HBCoat walks up to me from the opposite direction: She must've walked 2/3 the way around the place in the time I did 1/3 of it. Coincidence...? Who knows. HBCoat: Where you sitting? Dimitri (shrugging): Who knows? HBCoat: You should come sit with us. Dimitri: Hmmm... yeah, alright, let's go. I start walking. HBCoat: We're looking for one of our friends. At this point, I notice this kinda weak looking blond kid is with her, following her. I hadn't noticed him before. Dimitri: Well, better hope we find her quickly, cuz I'm not walking the whole way around this place again. Halfway through the grill side, I'm sitting down. We start walking, I hit the point I said I'd sit, and I do. HBCoat and the guy sit down at the table I've chosen. HBCoat takes out her cell phone to call her friend. Dimitri: That's novel. HBCoat: We'll find out where she is, then we can venture over there.

Dimitri: Venture...? I'm not venturing anywhere. HBCoat calls her friend and makes her get up and move to our table from the other side of the eatery. Hah. She showered some praise on me during the phone conversation about cute and cool I seemed even though they just met me. Anyway, CoatFriend shows up. They shower me with praise, but it's conditional, shittesting praise, qualifying praise. I just shrug it off and stay LOW-key. HBCoat: Aww he's so cute. CoatFriend: Yeah he is. HBCoat: I wanna keep him. CoatFriend: He could be like a little pet. HBCoat (to me): Will you be our little pet? Dimitri (chewing my food slowly before responding): Tried that once. Didn't work out. HBCoat: You probably didn't have a nice owner. Dimitri: Oh... no. She was nice... let me sleep in her bed, fed me, took good care of me. Even when I lived with her at Harvard. That stopped that vein. Another example. HBCoat: You're adorable. I want to keep you. CoatFriend: Awww HBCoat: Can I keep you? Dimitri: Who knows who the winds of fortune blow? (Okay, that seems lame now, but it was spur of the moment and I'd been listening to the Offspring's new album earlier that day...) Anyway, they keep complimenting me. HBCoat gives me a big hug which I kind of shrug off. By the way, the guy with her? It's her boyfriend. After they do some more heavy complimenting of me, I say Dimitri: You know, you two can cut out the "I'm not worthy" stuff. I'll hang with anyone who isn't an asshole to people. Boyfriend gets up kind of frustrated at one point, since the two girls are talking about me right in front of him as the way cute guy or whatever. Dimitri: You know, it's kinda rude to your boyfriend to be all over me like that. HBCoat (taken aback briefly): He knows I'm just kidding. I shrug. Anyway, they start asking lots of questions about me, who I am, et cetra. I refuse to let them qualify me. HBCoat: Where do you live around here? Dimitri: I live in a cardboard box. HBCoat: Oh you struck me as a (where I live) type. (How the fuck do people read that stuff about me? Women are rarely wrong when they guess where I live, or my sign, or whatever. And speaking of that, HBCoat guesses my sign later, which used to really freak me out when a woman would do that...) Dimitri: Well, nope, I'm more of the cardboard box type. I mean, it's a nice box: Brass fittiments, granite countertops, and a jacuzzi, but I'm all about the box living. HBCoat: How old are you? Dimitri: Guess. HBCoat and CoatFriend both start guessing a lot and I just stop listening and eat my food. HBCoat: So... we still off or you just messing with us? Dimitri: Huh? ... Oh, I wasn't listening. They persist on the age thing, though. Dimitri: You know, I don't so much care any more, but I remember from back when I was 17... I liked women then, but high school girls were too... petty... for me. So I had to lie about my age to work on older women. Dimitri: But I hate lying. And as Mark Twain put it, "It's better to tell the truth. Then you don't have to remember what you said." CoatFriend: Wow! I *really* like that. HBCoat: Yeah, that's good.

CoatFriend: Let me write that down. She fumbles around with some paper and writes it down for herself. Dimitri: So I stopped lying. You know what I started doing? When a woman would ask my age, I'd just ask her weight. Just saying I thought it kinda rude, y'know? Dimitri: I've had 17-year-old lovers more mature than 33-year-old lovers, you know? Age has nothing to do with maturity. CoatFriend (melting): Blah blah blah I soooo totallly agree blah blah agreement. HBCoat'sBoyfriend: Yeah, I'm only a year younger than her and she freaks out about it... blah blah blah whatever. HBCoat: (something unimportant) Anyway, I use some lines from here to address further compliments... "Tell me more about me" (can't quite place whose that was at the moment, apologies) and what not. I qualify them with few words here and there. "Well, I'm done speaking. Go on about yourselves for a while." They start talking about stuff they like, and they're actually pretty cool girls. At one point, they mention Cowboy Bebop in passing, and I say, "Yeah... Shinchiro Wantanabae is a genius." They both fucking frenzy "OhmyGodIcan'tbelieveyoualsolikeit you'resoawesome thisisincredible blahblahlbahlbahlblah." Whew... we've got a few more things in common, I comment every now and then. Around this time they both write down numbers, emails, screen names, and HBCoat even writes down her room number at her sorority house. They ask for my number. Dimitri: Well... maybe. HBCoat: MAYBE?!?!?!? Dimitri: Well, yeah, maybe. HBCoat: MAYBE----? Dimitri: I haven't thought about it yet. They qualify themselves to me some more and stroke my ego some more. I take a napkin, write down two numbers and say, "Can't remember if it's 1234 or 1324... so one of these fake. My email's the greatest email in the world, you'll never forget it" and then I give my cool, for-seducing-only email. I write on the bottom of the napkin, 1. No stalking. 2. No falling in love. 3. No getting obsessed. I hand the napkin to HBCoat and she starts laughing *WAY* too hard over it. CoatFriend takes it, looks at it, and doesn't laugh at first, but HBCoat is still laughing... Anyway, CoatFriend looks like she forces herself to start laughing, then really gets into it. Crazy fucking stuff. The boyfriend takes the napkin, reads it, then gives me a perplexed look, and gives a "What the fuck?" look to his girlfriend. I sit, they say that I remind them of a guy on campus... except that I'm cooler. And CoatFriend says that I'm like a mix of two guys, her ex-boyfriend's great personality and this really cute guy... HBCoat: You're a (my sign), aren't you? Dimitri: What's it to you? HBCoat (giggling): Yeah you are. HBCoat: You're (blah blah mostly positive dissemination). I sit for a bit longer and finish my Vietnamese food, then I say I must be off. HBCoat: Why? CoatFriend: Yeah, stay. Dimitri: Nah, I'm off. HBCoat goes to start to hug me, then stops as I don't reciprocate. HBCoat: Well, can I give you a "friendly handshake" then? Dimitri (shaking her hand): That'll suffice. Dimitri (offering hand to CoatFriend): I bet you want a friendly handshake too. She shakes my hand. I shake the boyfriend's hand. Poor bastard. He should dump the bitch over how

she disrespected him like that. Anyway, I said "Fare well" and strutted off. Questions, comments, and critique welcomed. Grandmaster Dimitri, Swash-Buckling Pick-Up Artist Author: FastDriver <unknown email address> Subject: FR: Figured out how to bring low energy... Good shit man.You're FR reads pretty funny. You'll be banging that sorority chick if you feel like it. Being aloof and lowkey is my flavor. Did you notice that you can say more fucked up shit to people when it's lowkey ? It confuses them. Author: ranma187 <unknown email address> Subject: FR: Figured out how to bring low energy... i dunno. from they way they were showing off in front of her bf. being needy. weren't acting cool and laid back. they sound like bad news to me.... i'd say a good fuck and chuck anyways. feel sorry for the bf huh? well grab him and wing with him for a while in front of his gf. that'll teach the ho's. anyway yesterday dimitri i discovered your feild reports and other postings. and i must say they KICK ASS imma try the launguage lessons nest time i see a jap chick. japanese chicks are cool! they've always been my lil fetish. and playing tag sounds like fun. back in my bad afc days i remember visiting some friends in the town i grew up in and a girl was there around my age and she had about five other little siblings. anyway i ended up playing hide and seek with them in the back yard. and the chick came out (who was pretty hot by the way.) and joined in the game. i made it fun by freakin her out when it was my turn to search. being devious and unpredictable (the kids loved this too chicks dig guys who are good with kids... i think) anyway i could totally tell she was getting into me and she ended up isolating me and being the wussy afc that i was then... i fucked it up BIG TIME. but yeah they love games and shit... ranma187 Author: Catch <unknown email address> Subject: Energy levels to open sets I keep noticing that my energy level has to be right for the type of venue I am sarging in. The general guideline seems to be that to open a set well I have to have an energy level equal or slightly greater than that of the venue. If I sarge in a quieter bar or lounge type place, then I can open effectively with a more laid back, relaxed energy level. Coming in all guns blazing in this type of place seems to come off a bit try hard, or gimmicky maybe. However in louder, higher energy dancey type places I need to come in stronger to get the attention initially, especially in places with younger girls where there they can easily get distracted. This is sometimes difficult for me because I am naturally more laid back (although depending on state, situations). Anybody here able to effectively open groups in high energy places with a more laid back approach? How do you keep their attention amidst the distractions? Related to this i've noticed that in lower energy places you can pause a bit more, and the set will still be there. In a more frenzied venue if I don't hit them rapid fire after opening then I will lose the set. (This is of course in the initial stage right after opening). This happened twice last night where me and my wing opened sets of younger girls in high energy places, got giggles with C&F, cold reads etc. and then a lull for only a couple of seconds and they were distracted by something else and gone. C Author: CoolWater <unknown email address> Subject: Energy levels to open sets

yeah man.. as TD always says, try to have the energy level as low as possible, but still hold the set. It'll reduce flaking and make you seem a lot cooler etc etc. coolwater Author: Scofield <unknown email address> Subject: Sets via energy/material vs strength of frame Thank-you so much for writing this out. I am still amazed at how well you can articulate something as involved as the learning process of someone who is starting from zero, with no social skills, into someone who can perform competently. This is such a well-written and clear overview of the process as you teach it. Thanks. p.s. "spuratic" is really "sporadic" Author: TylerDurden <unknown email address> Subject: Sets via energy/material vs strength of frame It is recommended that new guys learn material and routines because they are usually unable to hold conversations with women, and by creating a consistent 40 minute set they will get experience interacting with women on cold approaches. Without creating a set, it is unlikely that majority of newer guys will have much success, because their lack of experience will be very apparent to the girls. They will convey many social cues that will indicate this to the girls. Even for myself, I can tell a guys' success levels within 2-3 minutes of meeting him, and the girls are even more intuitive on this topic. So what winds up happening, is that inexperienced guys wind up going up to girls, and saying "Hi, what's your name? Where are you from? Umm, so yeah, what are you up to?" This, combined with hundreds of little vocal inflections/pacings/projections and bodylanguage cues, will usually add up to the girl instinctually blowing the poor newbie very quickly. That's because the newbie has no value either in subcommunicative expression, or in what he's saying being interesting. By using routines and high energy levels, guys learn to hold sets, and will gain experience under their belts. Because the material is field tested as being high octane, they will hold sets in spite of their poor inner game and its external bodylanguage and vocal

manifestations. Within a few weeks, they will see spuratic success (albeit mental masterbation, but this is fine so long as internally they feel good about it) and on a subconscious level their inner game will improve and this will improve things on an external level. At this point, though they may or may not realize it, they no longer require routines or material to hold sets. Moreover, they were likely using as a crutch a very high energy level in sets in order to hold their attention. This is a common learning of newbies, that a high energy and an intense enthuasm level in sets will hold the girls' attention. With time, their tonality will even out and become smoother. Their projection will increase and their vocal inflections will hit spikes at the right times and they'll come across better. Their bodylanguage will naturally

take up more space, and their facial expressions will react differently to shit tests and to escalations than they did previously. On the non-verbal level, their social intelligence will increase, and they will become sharper with their humour, and more savvy as to what constitutes something that adds energy to the interaction versus something that is a manifestation of their insecurity or neediness (which many people don't realize is something that they subcommunicate with so much of what they say - 95%+ of people screw this up at some point during the interaction). And as that all gets better, they will be thrown into situations where the interaction escalates, and without experience most guys will botch this sort of scenario. Game is often a sort of hyper attention. A situation where the energy level in the interaction heats up. Chemistry, passion, etc.. The sorts of things that lead to the desired end goal. For newer guys, the energy of the situation will often be a lot to handle, without the experience. They will field it improperly, because they will either fail to maintain eye contact (this happens surprisingly often during late phases and even now with top level girls I sometimes feel the social pressure getting to me), or they will stutter and be unable to slow down the tempo and smoothly gear everything down to

properly phase shift. They will fall backwards in the schedule, and their internal incongruencies will come to the surface. Many will eject and rationalize that they didn't want to anyway, to retain their satisfaction that they got further than they previously did. The window to phase shift and go sexual has closed, and will never be opened again. But with time this will change also. Everything will become congruent, and the snowball of social success both with women and in general will begin to increase and will finally gel into something worthwhile. This all comes from experience, and there's nothing that I know of that will achieve this level of transformation other than experience. Intense experience, to be exact. That means enough repetition that the increase is inevitable. Having made this kind of transformation, guys will not need to use a high energy level or even material to hold a set. It will come naturally, because they will subcommunicate higher social value. People possess a natural tendency to gravitate towards those with high social status. We feel the energy of their presence. On a subconscious level, we know that they exert a large degree of social control, and that they have influence over our existence whether we like it or not. When in the room with even a B-Class celebrity, most people will feel a sort of nervousness, whether they like it or not. They will be likely to socialize with them regardless of how interesting they are, because they're just curious to see how they might benefit. These kinds of guys don't need much to hold attention. But even without this status, the average guy can learn to subcommunicate the same things. BE the guy who holds attention. The same vibe will be projected by guys with a wealth of field experience. That's the reason why, as counter intuitive as it seems, its actually *possible* for a guy to improve in this area of his life. In time, they will learn to project that same kind of high social status subcommunication, and they will not need formalized material in order to hold sets. They can also chill out

their game, and slow it down. Their game can become very smooth, and the sets will go just as well as when they were over the top with energy and material. At this point, its a good idea to shift focus seeing what kind of results you can get without any formal material. This will change self-perception, because it causes the realization that "THIS IS ME, NOT MY MATERIAL, THAT INTERESTS PEOPLE". Having accomplished that and having become congruent with that crucial internal shift, bringing back in material is extremely useful. I have read many posts on this board claiming that material should be dropped once the newbie has gained experience, and I agree only to the extent that it should be dropped temporarily. For example, I can hold a set no matter what. There is no way I can be blown out of set. It is just impossible at this point. I can linger around a set like a weirdo, and still open. I can open fairly often in front of huge 10 guy cockfarms who are making the set uncomfortable on dark streets after bar hours. I can open moving targets who have places to be. I can open with something stupid and random like "Tell me your name" and they will stop because my frame is strong enough that they will do it reflexively and they'll do it because I fucking said so. Because of my field experience, I communicated it so congruently that their thought process immediately switched to "How do I do what he said right now", instead of what it would switch to for most guys which would be "Who the fuck is this telling me what to do? Do I even want to listen? I have to go." That said, I also know that high octane material is extremely useful in many areas. I know that an opinion opener is an easier way to open than walking up and saying 'hi', because I know that it will engage everyone and provide a tested topic of conversation that the girls will have something to say about. I know that a tight story will blow open the group because its very engaging, and it will make me seem very clever and sharp witted. I know that a good extraction routine is useful because it will allow a girl who is already

attracted to excuse her actions and go with me, so that she doesn't have to feel badly in front of her friends. I know that while not totally necessary or anything like that, that these are the paths of least resistance. These vehicles make my life easier, and keep my results very consistent. I also know that I can intricately lace personality conveying content into my material, which on many logical levels will convince the girl to see me again once I have left and her state has died down (hence I don't get much phone flaking, while less competent guys will claim "Phone #s are bullshit", which always makes me laugh and scratch my head as I think back to all the great things that have happened to me in the past year as a result of the phone - if you catch my drift). So that said, if I could go back in time a year and give myself advice on where to improve to get where I am now, here are a few things I'd say. Focus on learning to hold sets without a high energy level. Smoothen out the delivery, and tonality. Learn to subcommunicate higher value with the most precise, fucking smooth delivery possible. It's good to be more INTERESTING than entertaining. Learn to be flirty and sexual, and then to pull back and get them qualifying themselves to you. Learn to be both congruently indifferent, and yet be able to shift to being forward at the same time. Learn to master vocal projection and how it corresponds to social status. Learn to talk in a way that commands attention instantly. Always be able to convey higher social status by strength of frame. When you talk, know that everyone will stop to listen to you. Smoothen out the bodylanguage and ease in and out of sets smoothly. Test running with pure AFC talk, to test to see if your bodylanguage and tonality has reached a point where it can hold a set without any high octane material. Learn to be as alpha and commanding in set as possible. There is NO WAY a set cannot open. All sets will open, and almost all sets will venue change with

you. They have no choice, because your frame is just stronger. Tolerate no bullshit in set, tell them exactly what to do. Get girls qualifying themselves to you. Learn - and this is so fucking important - to get girls to the point where THEY are the ones struggling and thinking frantically about how to keep you engaged and keep you there. Learn to cross that social hook point, and learn when to shut up. Learn to phase shift at the snap of a finger. Learn a phase shift so strong that girls will be sucked into it, because your frame is stronger and if you slow down and smoothen out, they will have to also because that's just the way it is. Learn to excute it at the right time and when its most effective. **And in terms of social intelligence, learn to recognize who is controlling the frame of the conversation, and to be the one controlling it at all times. I will post more on this. It is a very important topic and needs more attention. That is one of the main keys to why an average looking guy gets laid by hotties. It is so fucking subtle, but it is so important. Controlling the frame. Always preventing it from being taken from you. It's so easy, yet so subtle that very very few guys I know understand it properly. Much of this stuff is what avoids phone flaking. It's strength of frame. Pure social control and power. It's very late at night right now, as Mystery has had a bunch of girls running around the house all night keeping me awake. I want to write more on this, but will post this as is for now and update more in the future. I want to leave one last thought: For guys learning this game, stop and think more about how you're coming across. Ask yourself, "Although what I'm doing may be helping to hold the attention of the set, is it blowing me out by conveying a lower social value because I'm too high energy and not smooth and chilled back enough? Are these people a little uncomfortable and insecure and qualifying themselves around me, or are they just along for the ride that I'm giving them with my material".

More on this later....

-TD -TD Author: formhandle <unknown email address> Subject: Sets via energy/material vs strength of frame TylerDurden wrote: >... Harmless taught this in his workshop. "Your frame must always be stronger than hers." This is pretty old school stuff, but thanks for reminding everyone how important this is!! Author: stoned_tokki <unknown email address> Subject: Sets via energy/material vs strength of frame First of all, thanks for articulating these ideas so well: it's exactly what I'm looking for. I know a lot of people go in high energy and get much more play from girls than I do, but I'm not a "high energy" guy. My BL is very relaxed, strong, and one might say "gangsta". Accordingly, I'm also that way, but I don't have the skillset needed to act that way and still have a strong game. This is what I've been looking for. A way to game girls w/o doing all this entertaining high energy crap. Seems to me like this is the way to be similar to the rap stars on tv (ie snoop dogg or jay z). For the past few months I've been searching for a solution, and you've summed up everything I've found and a bit more. You freakin said _everything_ I've been thinking! (Aight, no more ass-kissing bullshit, I'm just so surprised that this post came when I needed it). Now what I get from this post is basically a)get so much experience that you understand how to be interesting and hold a set b)have such a strong frame that you can hold a set -with emphasis on field experience (a). Aight, well it's time to sarge like crazy until my social intelligence is on par with my IQ ;) And talk to everyone and everything, gain some charisma, become a great _low key_ conversationist.....Looks like a new chapter of my life is about to unfold! Hellllllll yeah! Author: Foxsour <unknown email address> Subject: Sets via energy/material vs strength of frame I found the comments on low vs. high energy quite helpful. I've been using high energy busting + C&F + really exaggerated BL as a crutch. It's really building my confidence, but I've been trying to tone it down recently. I'm tired of being a spastic monkey. Then I watch the super-AMOGs. Some of the badboy types can just sit there and say virtually nothing, but they make EC or use facial expressions. They just say one word here and there, or shake their heads like she is naughty, and the chicks react better than when I deliver explosive C&F shit. __________________________________ -"The only way to treat a woman is to make love to her if she is pretty, and to someone else if she is plain." -"Women love us or our defects. If we have enough of them, they will forgive us everything, even our gigantic intellects." Oscar Wilde Author: schematic <unknown email address> Subject: Re: Sets via energy/material vs strength of frame

Good post. I'd like to see how you've improved since July. schematic Author: Hoss <unknown email address> Subject: Sets via energy/material vs strength of frame This goes against your teachings of chicks as "energy junkies." I remember you teaching that chicks go to a club and are junkies on the fluttering lights, loud music, attention, etc. It would seem a high energy sarge goes along w/ that concept unless you are now reversing yourself on that. I understand what you are saying in this post, basically be like a natural. I know a number of them and some are high energy and funny as hell and others are Joe-fucking-cool. I am frequently told my sarge is too high energy. I know all about active disinterest and enjoy doing it. Perhaps a mix of the two is better. Hoss Author: GuitarZan <unknown email address> Subject: Sets via energy/material vs strength of frame Hey, Thanks for the post man... Yeah Jay, other guys might teach this stuff... but I haven't heard it laid out so well like this, yet. C.K. Author: Wild Bard <unknown email address> Subject: Sets via energy/material vs strength of frame [It is recommended that new guys learn material and routines because they are usually unable to hold conversations with women, and by creating a consistent 40 minute set they will get experience interacting with women on cold approaches. Without creating a set, it is unlikely that majority of newer guys will have much success, because their lack of experience will be very apparent to the girls. They will convey many social cues that will indicate this to the girls. Even for myself, I can tell a guys' success levels within 2-3 minutes of meeting him, and the girls are even more intuitive on this topic.] [Within a few weeks, they will see spuratic success (albeit mental masterbation, but this is fine so long as internally they feel good about it) and on a subconscious level their inner game will improve and this will improve things on an external level.] [At this point, its a good idea to shift focus seeing what kind of results you can get without any formal material. This will change self-perception, because it causes the realization that "THIS IS ME, NOT MY MATERIAL, THAT INTERESTS PEOPLE". Having accomplished that and having become congruent with that crucial internal shift, bringing back in material is extremely useful. I have read many posts on this board claiming that material should be dropped once the newbie has gained experience, and I agree only to the extent that it should be dropped temporarily.] Shit, this post couldn't have described my progress any better if you had written it just for me. In fact, I described how I went along this exact path just a couple days before you posted this. http://www.fastseduction.com/discussion/read?139380,8

I started out REALLY bad. No material, and no social skills. After hooking up with SweetP, who was also starting out but much further along than I, I realised that improvising with the social skills I had was NOT going to get me anywhere. I collected some material, made up some of my own, and quickly got my first PU lay. I started then memorising random C&F lines and shit, but I discovered quickly that becoming a Canned Conversation Dispenser(tm) was not the answer either, though like you said, just having well thought out material on hand did help a ton by letting me progress into an interaction instead of sputtering out with "ummm, so where do you work? Having fun tonight? Err, ok see ya guys" thirty seconds in. I could see my problem, so I dropped the canned and worked on conversational skill and flirting without concrete scripts. Slowly but surely, I've improved to the point where I CAN conduct a PU without any prepared stuff at all, and do very well anyways. Now I'm adding canned stuff again, and it ROCKS! I thought it was rocking before too, but only because I didn't know any better. One night, before I was at the "drop canned material" stage, me and SweetP met up with 26 and No.9 and did some sarging. I was so proud of one of the sets I did while 26 watched. The target was a real hotty, and was friendly with me as I ran my "game" on her. She eventually started asking rapport questions, and I was totally astonished that *I* had just gotten a woman like this "to the buying temperature level that she's seeking rapport". She got "stolen" by a playboy in the end, but I figured that all I needed was some AMOG stuff and I could have had her. I was PUMPED! I was so proud of myself, and went to go tell 26 how awesome I did. I'm glad he kept a straight face, but since he was watching how it went, he must have thought I was on smack to think I did well, that I was on my way to a lay if it wasn't for AMOG. I'm glad he didn't say anything, because it got me enthusiastic to start seriously learning this stuff, LOL. Looking back on it with the knowledge I have now, thanks to dropping canned and focusing on interacting rather than routine dispensing, I can laugh at my ignorance that night. Her body language wasn't closed, but there was definitely no real attraction there. She started "seeking rapport" because she was a nice chick, and was making small talk with me rather than telling me to buzz off. Now that I know what it's REALLY like when you're building attraction, how she moves and behaves, it's clear that I had nothing. It's also no coincidence that the lay I got with the canned stuff was when I was drunk. Being drunk allowed me to go with the flow more, and the loosened inhibitions improved my ability to interact naturally. The one thing I don't agree with in this post is this: [At this point, though they may or may not realize it, they no longer require routines or material to hold sets. Moreover, they were likely using as a crutch a very high energy level in sets in order to hold their attention. This is a common learning of newbies, that a high energy and an intense enthuasm level in sets will hold the girls' attention.] Maybe for some, or even most, guys, but those of us who start with the shittiest social skills still need to learn the art of conversation. When I dropped canned, my social comfort zone was higher thanks to the experience with canned, but I'd still stray to fluff talk dead-ends quite a lot. I think that it's best for guys as anti-social as I was to look into building interpersonal skill at this point, because being a confident guy with nothing to say isn't enough. I'm starting to actually get good now, which is amazing to me considering where I started. I'm going to take a good close look now at what you recommend as the next step after reimplementing some canned stuff, and see where it takes me. Great post. Author: Luke_BR <unknown email address> Subject: Sets via energy/material vs strength of frame Damn. This post is fantastic.

Also interesting how TD's frame is strong even on his texts, and it gets you PUMPED to go out and sarge the moment you read it. Great post, bro. Author: LXSarging <unknown email address> Subject: High Energy Openers I've opened with the "Crappy Artist" routine more than a couple of times, and I always get good reactions if I enter the set quickly after handing out the "art". Yesterday, I used the opener in a couple of chicks, HBItalian 8 and HBBossy 7.5. I noticed a couple of IOIs from HBItalian and went for it. I couldn't isolate, so I settled for the #close. The thing I noticed is that I managed to maintain high energy throughout the whole interaction. These chicks were literaly *loving* me, and the energy never dropped down. In other occasions where I used this opener, it was about the same. If I use a situation opener it tends to come off as low energy, and it's more difficult to take the set to a point of high energy, at least for me. Any thoughts or pointers to high energy openers or, at least, how to rapidly increase energy in a set right after the opener? LX Sarging Author: Laife <unknown email address> Subject: Diet Tips to Improve Inner Game and Energy Eat lots of VEGGIES. Eat FRESH LIVE FOOD. I buy raw salmon, take off the skin, rinse it with wine, and eat it RAW with wasabi, soy sauce, and rice. Half a pound at 3.99/lb. is 2.00, good deal for 50grams of protein. Buy raw sirlion beef patties fresh from the meat department. Grill it MEDIUM so that there's blood in the food. You want it in your mouth. SAVOR THE BLOOD. TASTE HOW GOOD IT FEELS IN YOUR MOUTH when you eat the burger. Eat Fruits. This will make you FEEL ALIVE on a FULL TESTOSTERONE DRIVE. Maybe I'll make a post on a physical training program combined with this that makes you feel the FULL ADRENALIN RUSH. Remember the movie POINT BREAK? That is the KIND OF RUSH I am talking about. Laife Author: HelmutS <unknown email address> Subject: High Energy versus Low Energy Game... Currently the game I'm used to is High Energy C&F. This works well with High Energy Chicks, or Chicks in Party Mode. However, some times I just can't drag a chick to my high level of playfullness and energy. Suppose there got to be a low-energy way of working attraction as well. What do you guys use in quiet bars, etc, where the full Club/Disco Show doesn't run? Gunwitch? Juggler Method? Related: Is it me or are there more routines for sets, and few for 1 on 1 Attraction? Like, for example the PVC Devil, or Best Friends Test, two amazing routines, are only doable with two chicks. **************************************** Chicks aren't male - finalD Author: Maxwell Bond <unknown email address> Subject: High Energy versus Low Energy Game...

On 5/7/04 8:53:00 PM, HelmutS wrote: Low energy game consists more of intrigue and rapport than a high energy game. Go in low key and tell stories that are colorful and interesting and wait for signs of attraction before amping up her state with attraction material. Style's c's vs u's is good for lone wolf's... put together your own photo routine, as this works well on a lone target. - Maxwell >Currently the game I'm used to >is High Energy C&F. This works >well with High Energy Chicks, >or Chicks in Party Mode. > >However, some times I just >can't drag a chick to my high >level of playfullness and >energy. Suppose there got to >be a low-energy way of working >attraction as well. > >What do you guys use in quiet >bars, etc, where the full >Club/Disco Show doesn't run? >Gunwitch? Juggler Method? > >Related: Is it me or are there >more routines for sets, and >few for 1 on 1 Attraction? >Like, for example the PVC >Devil, or Best Friends Test, >two amazing routines, are only >doable with two chicks. > >****************************** >********** >Chicks aren't male - finalD Any night of sarging, is a GOOD night of sarging! Author: jettiger <unknown email address> Subject: MUST READ:Energy,U vs Environment &Targets Choice In short: The point of this post is to show that you must get feedback from energy level of environment, feedback from target (her BL, clothes,so on..) and choose approach that would most probably give you success in current environment. Terms used in post: By energy and waves I mean every emotion/value/information that target receives via vision/sound/kino/communication/smells and so on... What one girl likes, other might dislike, that's why you must get as much as possible information about target's psychology from what you see in her BL, clothes and other kinds of subcommunication. I noticed that when I gathered as much as possible info about target (without her seeing me doing this) and made approach that would fit to her waves strength interpretation system(hehe) , then I would succeed in the opening stage. Rest was dependent on my game and attitudes. ON 5/25/04 9:42:00 AM, Viper wrote: >How we act is defined most of >all in my opinion not by >identity or beliefs, but >rather by our environment. Those are dynamical changes of mindset depending on environmental energy received by targets. Example of the small theory (I was thinking of last week):

Environment is like radio station that sends waves that are received by radio band. If there are two stations sending waves on same frequency, then the one which have stronger waves and better quality of sound will be received by band and the other one will be jammed or ignored by a man. To Viper: You could game them with daytime tactics because your approach energy level was not jammed by environment OR because target chosen you because you had stronger energy/better quality of waves than the waves she received from the club environment. Now there are few things that are important: 1. Environment of venue (how much waves it sends to target, and what is the quality of waves) 2. How target interprets the waves (like/dislike) 3. Your level and quality of waves (how target defined them) 4. What waves target likes more: environment, cockblocks' waves, your waves or AMOG's waves. I recently discovered for myself that pubs are much easier than clubs and I was thinking why is in clubs it is much harder to keep target interested or engaged in convo than in pubs or lets take street as example if I approached half-directly. The answer was there under my nose but it took time to interpret the feedback right way to get right answer. ... IT WAS ALL IN ENERGY OF WAVES and the way how target interprets them. Energy of waves that are received (by target) from environment (anything except you) VS energy of waves received from you. If you manage to make your energy of waves higher or better quality than environmental waves - then you are half-way in. the rest is showing value of you personality. (I found Juggler method works good for me. I advise it for you too.) Now this is much easier for you when you know how to get attention of target. You must do something that will make her to wish to receive your waves (DHV) or to make your waves much stronger than environmental waves (massive social proof or exclusive first impression). However the way how she interprets your waves might change and she might give less importance to you, this is why you must anchor her high emotional state right when you see she is in it. Later you will be able to use the anchor, it might work deeply subconsciously even if she was a bit drunk when you anchored her feelings. JT Live your reality... Author: ijjjji <unknown email address> Subject: MUST READ:Energy,U vs Environment &Targets Choice On 5/26/04 12:11:00 PM, jettiger wrote: >In short: > >The point of this post is to >show that you must get >feedback from energy level of >environment, feedback from >target (her BL, clothes,so >on..) and choose approach that >would most probably give you >success in current >environment. For my taste, this frame is too careful. Would A REAL MAN think like this, or is it BETA to pay so close attention and adjust yourself to your surroundings? As I said already, there is a big section on BEING THE MAN in my 'method' that I hope to post on tuesday. Author: jettiger <unknown email address> Subject: MUST READ:Energy,U vs Environment &Targets Choice

On 5/28/04 8:29:00 AM, ijjjji wrote: >On 5/26/04 12:11:00 PM, jettiger wrote: >>In short: >> >>The point of this post is to >>show that you must get >>feedback from energy level of >>environment, feedback from >>target (her BL, clothes,so >>on..) and choose approach that >>would most probably give you >>success in current >>environment. > >For my taste, this frame is too careful. >Would A REAL MAN think like this, or is >it BETA to pay so close attention and >adjust yourself to your surroundings? > >As I said already, there is a big >section on BEING THE MAN in my 'method' >that I hope to post on tuesday. I am not talking about some HBs. I am talking about HB9+s. Wouldn't you feel like an idiot if after fucking up the sarge you realize what you could have done better that would give you positive result? Especially if you get past approach stage with SHBs rarely. Maybe you have big access to SHBs but I don't, and there are guys who also don't, so when you meet SHB very rarely it's like a game where you can't make ANY MISTAKES or you will loose, and next time you will meet approachable (in your type/class) SHB few weeks later. For the guys who have no looks,money or social proof working for them - good game plan made on fly is only way to PU SHBs. As for not caring about SHBs is totally another story. It is called disinterest and is to be used without making mistakes in game. Comprende? jjijji - you are misinterpreting my posts. I wrote not to adjust yourself to your surroundings but to HAVE MORE POWERFUL FRAME THAN WHOLE SURROINDING HAS. To pay close attention doesn't mean to think minutes how to approach. It can be done in 30 seconds if you are PUA. All goes this way: Look at the atmosphere around (check the energy level and quality = 5 seconds) Look at target (clothes/how she feels at party/Her SE seen in her BL = 10 seconds) Evaluate best possible openers and choose the best one. (Make your energy more interesting for her than energy of surroundings = 10 seconds ) Are there CBs or AMOGs? (remind CB or AMOG dealing tactic = 5 seconds) Now that you have spent your 30 seconds you must approach..

What you achieve quickly, you can also loose quickly... Author: ijjjji <unknown email address> Subject: MUST READ:Energy,U vs Environment &Targets Choice On 5/28/04 1:06:00 PM, jettiger wrote: >>For my taste, this frame is too careful. >>Would A REAL MAN think like this, or is >>it BETA to pay so close attention and

>>adjust yourself to your surroundings? >I am not talking about some HBs. I am >talking about HB9+s. >Wouldn't you feel like an idiot if after >fucking up the sarge you realize what >you could have done better that would >give you positive result? Especially if >you get past approach stage with SHBs >rarely. Agree.. If you have tried the careless thing without success, try something else. I'm only talking from my experience - when I try to adjust to the girl, it doesn't work - when I don't care, it works. So I tell guys to try the careless frame cos it works for me. >Maybe you have big access to SHBs but I >don't, and there are guys who also >don't, so when you meet SHB very rarely >it's like a game where you can't make >ANY MISTAKES or you will loose, and next >time you will meet approachable (in your >type/class) SHB few weeks later. This is exactly the frame that makes me fuck things up. If this frame works for you, I'm happy for you.. I remember from your early posts that you seemed a bit too crazy in the way you approached, so maybe this is the type of thing you need. >For the guys who have no looks,money or >social proof working for them - good >game plan made on fly is only way to PU >SHBs. I think confidence (huge balls) is more important, but if you got that already, I guess game plan comes next :) >As for not caring about SHBs is totally >another story. It is called disinterest >and is to be used without making >mistakes in game. Comprende? Yes! Its a great game tool! BUT, you need to have a little bit of REAL DISINTEREST too. >jjijji - you are misinterpreting my >posts. > >I wrote not to adjust yourself to your >surroundings but to HAVE MORE POWERFUL >FRAME THAN WHOLE SURROINDING HAS. Ok cool! Agree! >To pay close attention doesn't mean to >think minutes how to approach. It can be >done in 30 seconds if you are PUA. > >All goes this way: > >Look at the atmosphere around (check the >energy level and quality = 5 seconds) > >Look at target (clothes/how she feels at >party/Her SE seen in her BL = 10 >seconds) > >Evaluate best possible openers and >choose the best one. (Make your energy >more interesting for her than energy of >surroundings = 10 seconds ) > >Are there CBs or AMOGs? (remind CB or >AMOG dealing tactic = 5 seconds) > >Now that you have spent your 30 seconds

>you must approach.. _My_ confidence is so weak that I often freeze up if I go into this type of analysis. But if I was more confident, I can see how it could be useful. Author: Alessandro <unknown email address> Subject: The AFC Energy Phenomenon. Here are some cute stuff I used to mistake for "PU". Ever notice how when you're at a chill venue, every once in a while comes in come brash individual who tries to "start up" the party? I mean, this guy will come in, *passively* try to start conversations with everyone with no intention to actually UNDERSTAND those he is talking to? Like this guy will just come in and talk himself into coolness by just going "heeeyyyy there, I see ya, WOOHOOO, and you two over there, I am noticing ya, HEY BARTENDER, where is the party? why are you people so quiet?". That guy used to be me :-( That is not the way to "work the room". You're just begging to be noticed, and painfully ignored. That is if security doesn't escort you out. You can always tell who the brave AFCs are; they walk in, scope the room with broad visual strokes, try to EC all the women right off the bat, try to force themselves into having a "great time". I seriously used to be obsessed with having a "great time", I made an effort to look that way too; I would shake my head to the music, constantly move my body even dance in my seat, etc, etc. TERRIBLE body language, makes you look like a nervous deer at a pond. STOP LOOKING AROUND. That might be too much energy, but sometimes a milder form of "excitement" might communicate your fucking weakness. There is absolutely no need to "game" a target as soon as you walk in the door when the venue is NOT a PU venue. At the risk of discouraging newbies (fuck, like I care about those lame-os) even if the place is an OBVIOUS meat market, opening a girl and gaming her immediately communicates desperation and the lack of standards. You're showing blatant interest. Once you walk in, greet people quietly, pre-open and leave to take a seat, get a drink or meet with your party (it looks that way, but you should be just evaluating the scene and looking for hotter women.) The biggest problem facing guys is that they DON'T display any sign of having standards and ability to qualify women. There was a time when I was willing to have sex with any girl above a certain look; the thing about looks-based qualifying is that is doesn't give the girl ANY CHANCE to prove herself to you, she spends no effort on you and you in effect become CHEAP and "LOSER" in her book. If any other guy showed disinterest in her until they had a conversation and he discovered her impressive collection of Jefferson Starship records, THEN gamed her, you're toast, because he qualified her and now he looks more interesting and sophisticated than you. Qualify women in any way other than JUST looks. Give her just a little hurdle to jump over and start her seduction engines. She likes it that way, she wants to participate. Opening the first girl you see and trying to attract her is PATHETIC. Go in, say hi, see if everything is going fine, then say "okay girls, I need to check up on those guys over there and get myself a drink, so don't fight okay? :-) this girl over here looks like trouble HAHAHAHA [then walk away on a high note]". Later you can reopen them like old friends, assuming you see your target amongst them. Good game should be indistinguishable from a conversation between old friends. If people are noticing you for things you say/do, something is wrong (this does not include peacocking btw, you can peacock and still be civilized, if they notice you, it is THEIR fault, you're just a cool guy) The tell tale sign is when the bar staff start to say "hey, it is that guy again, this guy is a ladies man"; that is not a compliment, they're marking you to their coworkers and keeping an eye on you. This is the number one reason I don't do street approaches at the doors of my favorite venues, the bar staff can see you and mark you. In venues with tightly-knit groups having intimate conversations, I recommend you don't open the ENTIRE group at once. See, gaming sets is for passive/bored sets, if they're having a conversation don't open them. Wait til you notice a "bored" body language on a member of the set, then sneak to her/him and say "wow, you guys are a cool bunch, you

have this strong chemistry". You say that while smiling and whispering, so as not to disturb the group. If the rest pause and look at you, just say "nonono please go on :-) I am just talking to my friend here [point at bored person]". The best you could do is steal that bored person, get to know her best, then break into the group through her. Don't try to replace their conversation topic with one of yours; they could be having a serious conversation and you might start something funny and rub them the wrong way! There are times when high energy might be useful, say on club chicks, but I didn't know what a "club chick" was until very very recently. You might mistake every young girl out partying for a "club chick", which is not the case, most would actually prefer a stable and confident guy. Easiest sets are the ones with a man! If there is a guy in the set, you can be sure you can get in. Either you befriend the guy then gradually show your higher-value by out-witting him, or if you discover he is just some guy hitting on them, you can cut him loose by mocking him .. gently! Most times I opened all-girls sets with high energy, I ended up entertaining them. If they're all girls, your inherent AFC tendencies will make you think you need to impress them "OMG, they're four girls, I must be real good or I will lose them." Not true; you will do BEST by actually under performing. If you just wear a blank face and interpret everything they say sarcastically, you will rock. I highly recommend you don't tell them stories or routines. Anytime you say "Okay, check this out ..", you're about to fuck up. Don't entertain them. If they have a short attention span, that is their fucking fault, you're better off voicing your real thoughts "this girl has a short attention span" than telling reenacting Indiana Jones for them. This is actually an SP of mine; I fucking need to watch my body language, I am EXCESSIVE. More might follow, after some thought. Author: Shark <unknown email address> Subject: The AFC Energy Phenomenon. Not really. When you go out you should go for the purpose of getting a hot chick and not finding a "good way to work the room". I ve seen many guys working the room for the sake of some social proof?!...they just ended up getting to know a dozen ugs and a few guys: what a night is that:( SHARK www.playboylifestyle.net Author: Wham <unknown email address> Subject: Re: The AFC Energy Phenomenon. > > > > > > > You can always tell who the brave AFCs are; they walk in, scope the room with broad visual strokes, try to EC all the women right off the bat, try to force themselves into having a "great time". I seriously used to be obsessed with having a "great time", I made an effort to look that way too; I would shake my head to the music, constantly move my body even dance in my seat, etc, etc. TERRIBLE body language, makes you look like a nervous deer at a pond. STOP LOOKING AROUND.

Such a great point. By "brave AFCs" you mean green ASF'ers. This paragraph is all spot on to my observations as well. However, I'm afraid I might be looking a bit freakish by really just standing/sitting around, not really doing anything. I'm not sure how it comes off. > to attract her is PATHETIC. Go in, say hi, see if everything is going > fine, then say "okay girls, I need to check up on those guys over there > and get myself a drink, so don't fight okay? :-) this girl over here > looks like trouble HAHAHAHA [then walk away on a high note]". Later you > can reopen them like old friends, assuming you see your target amongst them. You mean just go in with low energy fluff talk? Like "Hi! How's everybody doing tonight?". Can you give some examples of what else you could say, or talk about? > Easiest sets are the ones with a man! If there is a guy in the set, you > can be sure you can get in. Either you befriend the guy then gradually

> show your higher-value by out-witting him, or if you discover he is just > some guy hitting on them, you can cut him loose by mocking him .. gently! It's strange you're the first one to post this. It's so TRUE. Couples open 100%, and the girl is pretty receptive. I'm still not sure how to do bigger sets with guys. > > > > > > > > > must be real good or I will lose them." Not true; you will do BEST by actually under performing. If you just wear a blank face and interpret everything they say sarcastically, you will rock. I highly recommend you don't tell them stories or routines. Anytime you say "Okay, check this out ..", you're about to fuck up. Don't entertain them. If they have a short attention span, that is their fucking fault, you're better off voicing your real thoughts "this girl has a short attention span" than telling reenacting Indiana Jones for them. This is actually an SP of mine; I fucking need to watch my body language, I am EXCESSIVE.

Alessandro, how do you do these sets? What do you talk about? Wham Author: Alessandro <unknown email address> Subject: Re: The AFC Energy Phenomenon. BigDog wrote: > On 8/29/04 2:26:22 PM, Alessandro wrote: > >>Here are some cute stuff I >>used to mistake for "PU". >> >> > > As usual, many good points, yet I don't agree with one. Who gives a shit about > bar/club staff?! I mean, unless you have a target that works there, or you are > getting way out of control or too drunk, let them keep a fucking eye on you! > That's their job anyway, isn't it? Our job is to sarge HBs and don't give a > shit about what AMOGS and other irrelevant people think about us! You don't understand. If you're a regular at a venue and you're cool with the staff, you get tons of perks. It makes me look good everytime I am gaming a chick and the bartender fixes us three shots and my girl gets to see how much mad respect I am getting. Minutes before last call, everybody gets rounded up and kicked out, me and my girl get to stay. When you come in, the bartender already knows the scene and can tell you which girls came alone and which ones with guys. Most party girls know the bartenders and it is very rare that they will go with a guy he doesn't approve of; bartenders around here are big cuddly teddy bears and have a crazy level of influence of the girls who frequent the venue. If the girls see him coming from around the bar to say hi to you, you bet you're IN. Plus it is just good thing to have someone who knows you at a place. I mean, gee, I can leave my wallet at home and I still get to party without ID or money :-) Author: Alessandro <unknown email address> Subject: Re: The AFC Energy Phenomenon. Wham wrote: >>You can always tell who the brave AFCs are; they walk in, scope the room >>with broad visual strokes, try to EC all the women right off the bat, >>try to force themselves into having a "great time". I seriously used to >>be obsessed with having a "great time", I made an effort to look that >>way too; I would shake my head to the music, constantly move my body >>even dance in my seat, etc, etc. TERRIBLE body language, makes you look >>like a nervous deer at a pond. STOP LOOKING AROUND. > > > Such a great point. By "brave AFCs" you mean green ASF'ers. This paragraph > is all spot on to my observations as well. However, I'm afraid I might be

> looking a bit freakish by really just standing/sitting around, not really > doing anything. I'm not sure how it comes off. If you hate being alone, open the next set and say "WOAH, isn't this cool? I mean, for the first time in my life I come to a bar and nobody knows me. Very good. Usually people just say 'THERE HE IS' and I get chased by police dogs. Okay, not entirely true. Do you guys think normal dogs hate police dogs? like they're sell-outs or something? I really am tired of people who call everything they don't like a "sell out"; my friend Timmy, great name by the way, has made it his life's goal to point out how CORPORATE my tastes in music and fashion are ..." Stack stories, segway, segway .. >>to attract her is PATHETIC. Go in, say hi, see if everything is going >>fine, then say "okay girls, I need to check up on those guys over there >>and get myself a drink, so don't fight okay? :-) this girl over here >>looks like trouble HAHAHAHA [then walk away on a high note]". Later you >>can reopen them like old friends, assuming you see your target amongst > > them. > > You mean just go in with low energy fluff talk? Like "Hi! How's everybody > doing tonight?". Can you give some examples of what else you could say, or > talk about? Do a cold read on their relationship "WOAH there, you guys have very good chemistry, it is like you're old friends or something. Have you known each other for 50 years? no? 45? This girl here looks like she is the one who gets both of you in trouble, she has that bad-girl look on her face ..." This is by now STANDARD, everybody uses it. Cold reading + CF. >>must be real good or I will lose them." Not true; you will do BEST by >>actually under performing. If you just wear a blank face and interpret >>everything they say sarcastically, you will rock. I highly recommend you >>don't tell them stories or routines. Anytime you say "Okay, check this >>out ..", you're about to fuck up. Don't entertain them. If they have a >>short attention span, that is their fucking fault, you're better off >>voicing your real thoughts "this girl has a short attention span" than >>telling reenacting Indiana Jones for them. This is actually an SP of >>mine; I fucking need to watch my body language, I am EXCESSIVE. > > > Alessandro, how do you do these sets? What do you talk about? Divide and conquer. Set them up against each other; tell one of them is the most photogenic and would look PERFECT in professional photography, tell another she is the group leader and the master-mind "this girl planned tonight's get together, she has been working on it for weeks now, she even bought the cone party hats but you guys are not pimp enough to rock those joints, I mean JUST look at this girl over here, you can JUST tell she watched too many episodes of Melrose's Place back in school, very very freaky girl but she doesn't want you to know that .." C&F + Cold reading. > > Wham > -Author: Alessandro <unknown email address> Subject: Re: The AFC Energy Phenomenon. Shark wrote: > > > > Not really. When you go out you should go for the purpose of getting a hot chick and not finding a "good way to work the room". I ve seen many guys working the room for the sake of some social proof?!...they just ended up getting to know a dozen ugs and a few guys: what a night is that:(

Hey man, weren't you a Serbian guru or something? You know you could've

corrected those guys. I am sure you know that if someone isn't getting a girl out of a group, he needs to work on his *isolation* skills and you could've helped him. Author: Dust <unknown email address> Subject: Re: The AFC Energy Phenomenon. Alessandro wrote: > There is > absolutely no need to "game" a target as soon as you walk in the door Finally someone saying it. I've read the 3s rule. Ever since I've been wondering whether it's US specific. I've not run a huge sample (just a couple tries), but from those and from my intuition (usually correct) I'd say in the places I frequent here in Europe, it's a crash and burn guarantee. I run a different strategy, slower but safer if you want. I don't play the numbers game and I don't do cold openings. IMHO the crucial part of the game is happening BEFORE you start talking. Rapport isn't built by words, it's built by body language and EC. I build rapport first, and open then. Using that method I've been blown off only once in the past six years, when I fucked up the opening royally.

Oh yeah - Hi, I'm Dust. Just delurking, I've been reading the web stuff for a while and joined the news some days ago. Author: Slug <unknown email address> Subject: Energy Change When Isolating Lately I have been noticing that when I pull a girl out of a club to isolate or whatever, once we leave the club the energy and the vibe changes dramatically, like the girl could be totally into me when we are in the club, once we walk outside where it quiet the energy level drops. Like tonight I ran a short set with this HB7, I was in set probly 10 - 15 minutes. Logistics worked out so she needed a ride home and I offered, so she agreed. Now the girl was very into me in the club, but once we stepped outside the energy level dropped, the vibe started to die off a little and like she started to get logical saying things like "OMG, I have never driven home with a guy before! Blah blah blah". This has happened to me on several occasions, usually when the set is short, although not high octain. It kinda fucked up the set, I got to her house, she didnt want me to come in but did number close me, it was solid enough, but I wanted the fclose tonight, how do you guys keep the energy consistent? My ideas: 1)be sure to go into deep rapport before I isolate. Tonight the girl even set me up for it, by asking me about my vulnerabilities and shit, but I stayed C and F because, I coudlnt think of any and she caught me off guard. 2) Go high octain when I leave the club, keep the energy up and her BT high when we walk to the car or wherever. 3) Escalate physically in the club before we leave so physical stuff doesnt make her uncomfortable once we leave. Also creates more of a connection. How do you guys handle this? Peace. -Eric Author: InnerCalm <unknown email address> Subject: Energy Change When Isolating It's a phase shift, a change of environment, and it takes a while for the senses to adjust. She's experiencing it too. You just have to relax a little and slow things down a little till you get back into the groove on that level. I don't mean move away from fucking her, just phase shift into the new

environment, and keep her mind on sex, make out with her a little and move it to a private place where you can get naked. It'll come more naturally after you've done it a few times...a week. It gets a little boring for me too once I isolate, cause I know where we're going and why, it's mentally boring, cause from that point on it's mostly physical, not much for the brain to do when you're fucking, except focus on making it great, and hoping she can do the same. If I could predict which women were going to be good in bed and which ones weren't, I wouldn't bother isolating a lot of them. It's hard to find a woman who really knows how to fuck, a lot of them just lay there, and that gets boring as hell. Author: Jestor <unknown email address> Subject: Im settling into a low energy approach The last few months I've been doing a totally low energy type of sarge. In order: - buy drink, useful at least until I get warmed up because I can cheer girls with my drink - start walking around, pretty much moving endlessly non-stop, but walking slowly and totally relaxed, checking girls out, and always having a hint of a smile on my face. Smiling is a seriously useful PU tool. - opening sets and staying with them until they really don't go anywhere or they walk away, maybe returning later - in loud clubs I find it to be try hard to always try to keep the conversation going. So now I selectively talk but I make my words count - if there is a group of girls dancing I ask, "do you have room for one more?" and they most often say yes. I go into the circle and make some small talk with the girls on either side of me, but not all the girls since that is try hard. The beauty is that they usually stick around and it creates intrigue because I'm dancing with them, like I'm part of their group, but not trying that hard except for the occasional talking. Best case, they decide as a group to let you close one of their friends. Basic MM, but even MM can be needy if you are trying too hard to befriend everyone. Don't go out of your way to do that - In the back of your mind always be on the lookout for a lonewolf. 3 sec rule works best here. No hesitation, like wondering if she has a b/f. Just go in and ask her what's up. - cockblocking is less of an issue, since you are less intrusive using low energy. You slowly and calmly walk up to a girl in a set and ask her how her night is going. Just like it's a social courtesy to respond to an opinion based question, the same opening is created by asking a girl how her night is going. It has happened that the girl would give me a bit of a dirty look, and then ask me to repeat what I said and I would just say "how's your night going?" and she would smile and relax and say "good, how's yours?" and conversation would proceed. It seems like she was expecting some stupid canned line but is pleased when it turns out I wasn't using any line. Also, it seems to me that opinion openers are inherently high energy, since they are delivered with a sense of urgency and needing to know. The next things which are usually exchanged are: "how do you like this place?" and creating an "our world" type of frame where it's just you and her. Sometimes they might say "I'm looking for my friends" and then I say "well if we wait right here I'm sure they'll find us", then keep talking and slowly escalating Body language is so key. You have to feel like the place is your home and you are totally comfortable there.

As you're walking around you scope out the place mostly with moving your eyes, and not turning your head much. And don't let go of that slight smile. Smile with your lips, not with your teeth. Sometimes I get fucked up when I'm moving towards a set and all of a sudden there are a bunch of people fighting their way past me, but my gaze remains fixed on the set. And they might notice me fighting my way through the crowd towards them, and that might cause them to move the fuck away since it makes me look too try hard. Best to temporarily forget about the set and come back later. Have the mindset of not snapping to attention when a hot girl talks to you. I was opened the other night by this SHB who apologized for spilling some of her drink on me. She didn't, and I think it was an excuse. She was sucked in by my relaxed state and the fact that I was totally at ease around her. I told her she got some of her drink on my lips, and to clean it off. She used her finger to clean it off but I told her to use her lips. She didn't :) Something I'm thinking is that less attractive chicks get cockblocked more by other AFC guy friends. More attractive girls get cockblocked more by other HB friends. A good wing helps to avoid this, but he also needs to be low energy. You can't go in low energy with a "hi, how are you?" and have your wing go in with an energetic opinion opener. It's just wierd. With low energy you can still get cockblocked but much more gently, and not as much. Just move in with a "hey, how's your night?", have some situational topics ready, and try to create the "our world" frame. Keep your sexual state going, and use the fact that you have to talk in each others ear as a way to get some kino in. What is really attractive is your non-verbals, like calm body language, and maintaining eye contact with the girls, holding posture, and emitting sexual state. --------------------------------------"So what you don't want to fuck me! Do you have any idea how many chicks have pussies and mouths??" - MrSex4uNYC Author: ijjjji <unknown email address> Subject: Im settling into a low energy approach Mee too! I'm more alpha than ever so I could not be bothered to 'entertain' or 'carry the conversation' like I used to.. I do a lot of vibe-approaches, kino approaches etc.. words are utterly over hyped on this board imo.. Author: Riker_AUT <unknown email address> Subject: Im settling into a low energy approach Hhmm. I always thought you needed slightly more energy than your target in order to not "bore" them. Like, if they were full hyped party chicks and you go low-energy, dont you have to drag them down to lower energy level first? **************************************** I'm back, and better than ever. Author: GUnit <unknown email address> Subject: Im settling into a low energy approach On 1/16/05 4:23:00 PM, ijjjji wrote: >Mee too! I'm more alpha than >ever so I could not be >bothered to 'entertain' or >'carry the conversation' like >I used to.. I do a lot of >vibe-approaches, kino >approaches etc.. words are >utterly over hyped on this >board imo.. But would you say that first you have to go through the stage where you entertain? I feel that way. Because a newbie could not do this or could he? Why is it unalpha to carry the convo, as long as you are getting feedback and she works for it. Thoughts?

Author: ijjjji <unknown email address> Subject: Im settling into a low energy approach On 1/17/05 12:18:00 AM, GUnit wrote: >On 1/16/05 4:23:00 PM, ijjjji wrote: >>Mee too! I'm more alpha than >>ever so I could not be >>bothered to 'entertain' or >>'carry the conversation' like >>I used to.. I do a lot of >>vibe-approaches, kino >>approaches etc.. words are >>utterly over hyped on this >>board imo.. > >But would you say that first you have to >go through the stage where you >entertain? I feel that way. Because a >newbie could not do this or could he? He could!!! He should!!! Since vibe is more important than words, newbies should forget about verbal in beginning. ONLY READ GWM, then sarge like hell for a month. Then start to read stuff like TD. On my 2nd pub sarge, I got the 4 hottest girls in the pub to come up and talk to me, just with GWM type eye contact. Lol.. I was so amazed I just stood there touching them not knowing what to do :) >Why is it unalpha to carry the convo, as >long as you are getting feedback and she >works for it. If so, she is carrying it (as in making sure it continues) This is what we aim for. Author: Maxx <unknown email address> Subject: Hypnoticas Masculine Energy Saying I read at the Thundercat's forum about Hypnotica's saying that masculine energy is emptiness, nothingness. I can't make out what it means and how to practically apply it to sarging. Any ideas? "I'd rather have no chick at all than supplicate to one" Author: JustLou <unknown email address> Subject: Re: Hypnoticas Masculine Energy Saying It's kinda weird, i suggest you check out the Mastery DVD's, it's only when he's saying it, it somewhat actually makes sense, and in terms of applying it to sarging, imagine your a giant void, and chicks dig giant voids. ~JL. <Maxx> wrote in message news:203333.32491@discussion.fastseduction.com... > I read at the Thundercat's forum about Hypnotica's saying that masculine energy > is emptiness, nothingness. > > I can't make out what it means and how to practically apply it to sarging. Any > ideas? > > > "I'd rather have no chick at all than supplicate to one" > Author: rokscott <unknown email address> Subject: Re: Hypnotica's Masculine Energy Saying Ever consider that Hypnotica may be a dickhead.

Author: PlayerSupreme <unknown email address> Subject: Hypnoticas Masculine Energy Saying I disagree with that statement of belief. Male energy is active and moving. Female energy is passive and receptive. There is nothing empty about masculinity. If you look at the chineese yin and yang you will see the truth of this. Being a man and having male energy means you "do". Men we are the ones who create 99% of the inventions out there. We build the roads and the cars and planes. They are male inventions. Females energy is changing to a more masculine state and males is becoming more feminine as I can see in many of the men who come to these sites. But that doesn't have to be the case. It's accepting dogma like this that causes YOUNG men to alter their own self perceptions. So I say don't believe the hype. Author: epitome <unknown email address> Subject: Hypnoticas Masculine Energy Saying On 1/22/05 3:23:00 AM, Maxx wrote: >I read at the Thundercat's >forum about Hypnotica's saying >that masculine energy is >emptiness, nothingness. > >I can't make out what it means >and how to practically apply >it to sarging. Any ideas? > > >"I'd rather have no chick at >all than supplicate to one" The rain in Spain is like pain in grey. It's a synonym. epitome. Author: Solitary Man <unknown email address> Subject: Hypnoticas Masculine Energy Saying I agree with PlayerSupreme. It is the feminine energy that is passive or reactive energy. This energy will take upon any form that is projected upon it by the masculine active energy. Author: sandworm@attbi.com <unknown email address> Subject: Hypnoticas Masculine Energy Saying On 1/22/05 3:23:00 AM, Maxx wrote: >I read at the Thundercat's >forum about Hypnotica's saying >that masculine energy is >emptiness, nothingness. > >I can't make out what it means >and how to practically apply >it to sarging. Any ideas? Read David Deida(NOT "DeAngelo"). It's not a bad speculation that Hypnotica has read Deida and is presenting those ideas, if some what fuzzily. RJ > > >"I'd rather have no chick at

>all than supplicate to one" Get Laid NOW! Ask me HOW! THE Original seduction site: www.seduction.com Author: Hypnotica <unknown email address> Subject: Hypnoticas Masculine Energy Saying The emptiness is the calm collective that rest powerfully in the presence of silence, That is where the male energy gathers its power from and if you want to take it deeper, the yin energy that balances the whole moves beneath it giving it a full range of flexibility that expand the full qualities of a man . To the question ever consider Hypnotica to be a dickhead (Yes i can be) Ask the 3,000 strippers i've worked with in my career so far. Yes RJ is right those were the ideas being integrated at the time, Deida has many fine qualities to read about, just as every teacher out there has... Enjoy, Eric Author: mysterious1 <unknown email address> Subject: The Vibe, Energy, Mojo..whatever u wanna call it Just something that I think exists and need feedback on. I've been working on this for awhile now and it has to deal with the energy or vibration that you send out into the world. I think it has to do with something along the lines of quantum energy, though I'm no expert, but what little I've read on it seems to relate to what I'm thinking about. It just seems like I lock on to this vibration or get into the area of locking on to it that just sends this signal out that women really respond to. I think it has alot to do with your state, confidence, energy, mindset and probably alot of different things that seem to all click together. When I have been in the area of this vibe, it just seems like I get a helluva lot of IOI's, EC, AI's and even blatant approaches from women. When I'm not projecting this vibe I just seem to get lost in the crowd, not really getting noticed from women and stuff. I would like to really one day break down this state to where I can reproduce it when I want to instead of kinda just lucking into it like I do now. Anybody have any thoughts or ideas on this? Author: finalD <unknown email address> Subject: Re: The Vibe, Energy, Mojo..whatever u wanna call it mysterious1 wrote at Sun, 06 Feb 2005 03:42:00 GMT in news:206236.32988@discussion.fastseduction.com: > > > > > It just seems like I lock on to this vibration or get into the area of locking on to it that just sends this signal out that women really respond to.

Vibe, aura, mojo, energy, "stuff" (which I can exude from my fingertips and eyeballs sometimes, no really), magick ... We're dealing with phenomena that many of us have experienced. Perhaps it's all just a trick of our subjective perceptions and our fantasies, or perhaps it's related somehow to actual real physical events that our weak human senses simply cannot detect more reliably, or perhaps it's some kind of relation between our mind's need to explain things in one or another way, or perhaps it is legitimately magical, or perhaps it has something to do

with electro-magnetic impulses that we're feeling but not knowing we're feeling, or perhaps it's all about our huntergatherer instincts telling us something based on subtle bodylanguage cues that are too small to enumerate or identify as they pass but add up to something real nevertheless ... Hell, last afternoon on chat a dude was talking about how he had really come to better grips with his "chaos receptor" sensory organ and how he was pushing girls to the point that he could "turn their chaos on or off like with a dial on a stereo" (I paraphrase). It doesn't matter what it "really" is. It's useful, and it works for many of us. Use the Force, Luke! -The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently. Friedrich Nietzsche Author: PlayerSupreme <unknown email address> Subject: The Vibe, Energy, Mojo..whatever u wanna call it I know exactly the state your talking about and I've talked about it many times before to other players. It's interesting you mentioned quantum since I just posted on this subject just the other day to a dyke who wants to pimp women: 693.46 in reply to 693.44 "came in here like I was ready to go to war with someone; I am, " I noticed you have read "As a man Thinketh" Good then you can follow what I'm about to say to you. In the universe there truly is a thinking stuff that the universe is made out of. If you look at recent developments in quantum physics you will find a tiny tiny element called a quark. When you look inside this tinest of elements you will find new universes. These universes will take on what evershape the viewer chooses. So how you percieve it is how it will become. The way it is below is the way it is above! If you percieve a war then all your going to find is a war. Ponder this thought for a few days. Next thought. For everything there is it's opposite. For man there is woman. For north there is south. East/West. You cannot have one without the other. It's the way the universe is set up. You will never find a North pole only magnet no matter how thin you slice it without the south pole of the magnet being present. In Electricity there is positive and it's opposite negative. The light is either on or off. There is the pimp and there is the ho. There is man and there is woman. You may have a medical condition that causes you to have more facial hair than a normal woman and a oversized clitoris may even be present. But your still a woman. I'm sorry that is the nature of life.

As Lionheart is trying to explain to you. Your attempting to go against the laws of the game. Your trying to swimm upstream in a hurricane coming down stream. I admire your adversity and perseverance, but..... Author: PlayerSupreme <unknown email address> Subject: The Vibe, Energy, Mojo..whatever u wanna call it And My own post: Author Message Player_Supreme Gorilla Pimpin Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 1220 Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 10:01 pm game Post subject: metaphysical aspects of the

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------I think I posted once from the bible: Those who have shall be given more and those who have not all shall be taken from them. I applied this to my own life. I have lots of women on my team. I never feel the crunch of lack of P*ssy prosperity. Why? If you look at the above scripture you will know the answer. At that time I believe I sited my buddy who was struggling to even find one female. He had blown out (due to his stupidity) the only female he had. His lack of P*ssy prosperity still continues to this day. Why? Because of his mindset. I firmly believe that I can always find new P*ssy down to every last cell of my body. He believes that he doesn't have the gift and that I have some kind of metaphysical power over women. I do but that is another story...lol. Your inner mind set will determine your outcome in any arena. The pagans had a saying "so it is below, so it is above". What that means is that the way it is on the inside will reflect how it is on the outside. Each and everyone of us should have firmly implanted in every cell in their bodies how easy it is to meet new women. Get that implanted and the universe will supply you with an abundance of females whom YOU are compatable with. I don't chase women based on looks. I go by how they feel. When I say feel I am reffering to a mental connection that I feel with them. If I can establish this then I know they will make a good mate for my team. I recently posted how I told one of my ladies that she was one of the few women that I've met who hasn't been sexually abused. For a long time I was attracting women who had low self esteem but high looks. These women had been sexually abused at one point in their lives. But they were perfect for the type of game I was running at that time. Being naturally dominante, aggressive high self esteem women are not attracted to me. Nor would I even approach one. Why? Because it wouldn't be a good match. Sure I could spin my wheels and spit game at her and even F*ck her a few times but as for her being on my deck...hell no. She would rock the boat. Look at the type of women that you attract and you will see who you are or at what level your game is.

For this game it is better to have a large supply than few to none. The larger your supply the easier it is to increase it. Yall have seen me post how I've had as many as 10 on my team at one point. Then a few weeks later down to 8 then 6 then 3. Then a week later up to 5 or 6. When you are tapped into the flow, life will bring you your desires. It is the players who are disconnected from the flow who struggle. To struggle is coming from your attachment to your ego. I laugh everytime I read at one of those sites how those knuckle heads are saying how this girl was a hb 8 or hb 9.5. That is ego Sh*t. One: They are basing whom they F*ck on their own ego judgments not how the flow is connecting you to someone. Two: To even judge is low ego Sh*t to begin with. We all have our own definition of what we like. To post how she was this or that is YOUR ego needing validation. Three: Thinking from your ego blocks your flow. When you come from the ego then your not being natural. Your not letting your natural manhood out which will attract the women that it naturally needs. And it doesn't matter if she is a 7.5 crap or any of that Sh*t. What matters is the connection. Cause nothing sucks worse than to be in bed trying to make love to a hot babe and there is NO connection. Then your just rutting like a goat in heat and doing it as a servent to YOUR own EGO. I've told many a playa's to let go of their Sh*t and get outta of their own ways. Your petty ego's are what's blocking your game. When you come from that space you will always be subject to attacks of low self esteem and in constant need of ego boost. Look at the sites where the fools are constantly trying to learn a new technique or routine. I've preached that there are no techniques or routines to do. Just walk over and say hello. When I walk into a club you've seen me post about how I will constantly scan the room looking for eye contact. What I'm looking for are women whom I feel a natural connection with. You've seen me post that I will not even speak to them and just walk over and take them. This is true. You've read my post about the last mltr that I had with Tanya. You've read how I posted how I had laryngitis that nite and couldn't even speak to her. You've seen her email to me inquiring how my voice was. I picked her up without even speaking. We had a great 1 year together. Our sexual connection was way off the charts. Although she was beautiful by my standards that wan't why I approached her. I see tons of fine women that I feel nothing from. My point is: Tanya new from the moment we laid eyes on each other. When we looked at each other we connected on a primal level. What I have found is that as I've rose up in this game the simpler my game became. I've gone back to almost caveman style of pick ups now. Back before we had languages we communicated on this level. And by being on that level I am also tapping into the flow of life. Call it what you will...god..hari krisha..budda..the universal life force...a head of cabbage....what ever floats your boat. At this level is where you will find your real game! Author: Jestor <unknown email address> Subject: Energy and Intuition based models I find this to be very interesting, how you can make a decision based on internal signals just as much as external ones. There is always an energy associated with an interaction. In the beginning it was fear and anxiety which drowned out everything else. Then as you got more

comfortable and experienced your intuition started to grow. And you started to be able to access parts inside you better. It's funny how most everything we define here is accurate because it has a time and a place where it applies. But what makes it wrong or bad advice is how it is categorized and implemented. A seduction model cannot be created based on just what we observe (like in physics) but also on what we FEEL and the energy associated with it. We are acting out our own internal laws of physics (as well as responding to external laws) and different principles apply as a result. Guys who are naturals are guys who figured out their own internals without outside help. You might say their approach to PU is totally energy based. They see a girl, they don't think of 100 possible different openers or scenarios. They only think of one. Go. Imagine how things would be if you got 100 guys who were AFCs. They weren't taught anything about PU. They were just told to go and learn on their own. And after a few years report back and lets compare notes. What commonalities would there be? What advantage/disadvantage would this have over 100 guys who learned from one source only? Good Natural game posts are always interesting because they represent the internal workings of someone. Their individual energy comes across clearly, and yeah that guy figured out something about HIMSELF. And there's a chance that can help ME. A really cool thing is when some of the really advanced guys posts something and I think to myself, wow, that is actually something I would have figured out down the road, but so much better now that I have a head start on it. It feels good. I can feel the energy of what that guy says because it's what *I* would have said down the line after getting some more experience. It's like your evolutionary development was moved forward a notch. Knowing yourself must be a high priority. Philosophy, the arts, abstract non-tangible concepts, can all help in learning about a part of ourselves which only you have access to. So how do you develop an energy/intuition-based way of thinking? There is no easy answer to this. But one thing I've tried to do in the past is visualize myself years from now and try to think of what game I would be using then. I also look at current trends in my game. Am I becoming more dominant? More relaxed? And then I imagine myself in those ultimate states down the road, doing the most extreme of things. I am simply following the trendline after all, and this is where it ended up. Doing this self-analysis can help you accelerate your progress. Another way to develop this type of thinking is to re-live past interactions in your mind and try to recall what you were feeling at the time. If a girl was LSE'ing you, and you fucked up, relive that and the feelings going through you when you were with her. What was your initial reaction to her tests? What was the reaction you think she wanted to have? Did you still want to fuck her after she did that? My personal revelation was that, girls who give me a hard time, shit test hard, actually make me want to fuck them MORE. So why hide it? It's my energy to respond that way. I can use that to pour on the kino and the masculinity, using my greater strength as a man to wear her down until she submits. That is my internal energy model - that of a high drive, sexual man. So figure out your own energy responses. Get in touch with that part of yourself. And of course share your results. --------------------------------------"So what you don't want to fuck me! Do you have any idea how many chicks have pussies and mouths??" - MrSex4uNYC Author: jettiger <unknown email address> Subject: Good PU state is very LOW energy Why you should have low energy when sarging: I noticed that whenever I was worried during approaching some HB or thinking about people around her it always fucked up somehow. However when I concentrated only on target and was calm and just do the approach on very low

energy, it all went good. The hotter is chick the higher was energy (IOW: high frequence of brain waves), the less hot was chick the lower was the energy. And always when I had low energy I could think easily, without any anxiety, and PU went easily. When I had level when I could approach super hot HBs in public places it was the time when I could keep my energy on low level. To reach this one must learn to be calm (have low energy) always, in all situations. Even when something bad happens, don't let your mind be in rage. Be calm and learn from failures. When you learn how to have this LOW energy state even at parties in the clubs then it will be much easier to sarge real hotties whom you would never approach without low energy. One more thing: when you get C&B don't think of it as of proof of being unattractive or AFC, just analyse every failure and success and notice what you should improve and what you should use more often. Next time when you will be in the street and when you see target try to eliminate all high energy thoughts from your mind. Focus only on target and opener. Reach low energy state and approach. Then analyse how this approach was different from all other approaches you make. ALWAYS FOCUS ON LOW ENERGY STATE.

Reality is not real. We look at everything subjectively. Author: TheGame <unknown email address> Subject: Good PU state is very LOW energy This is so true, I've experienced it and have heard other guys talk about how they have the most success when they go out really tired and have low energy. I think one aspect of being high energy is that it comes off as too try-hard. I've been out with several guys from the board and I noticed that the guys who believe that you must be very high energy and "rah-rah" have the least success of all. They can't even get past a few minutes in set before losing it. Author: Transgressor <unknown email address> Subject: Good PU state is very LOW energy Look "for reversed U" theory in psychology by Yerkes and Dodson (1908), model (or pattern) of crash (catastrophe) by Fazey and Hardy, theory of optimal functioning by Hanin. You can find it in almost every academic psychology book ("reversed U" model for sure). I take those things right now from Matt Jarvis "Psychology of Sport". Enjoy :) Author: Jon King <unknown email address> Subject: Good PU state is very LOW energy On 4/20/05 4:05:00 PM, TheGame wrote: > >I think one aspect of being >high energy is that it comes >off as too try-hard. >I've been out with several >guys from the board and I >noticed that the guys >who believe that you must be >very high energy and "rah-rah" >have the least >success of all. They can't >even get past a few minutes in >set before losing it.

One of my biggest foci right now. High energy guys - chill out. Definitely gives better results. Less smile, less excitement, slower movement, more chilled, slower voice, less enthusiasm. That applies in ALL social situations. It takes time to change your complete deep pattern of behaviour like this though (ie. weeks and months) - that's the only downside... not easy.. but more worthwhile than t&t. Note: This is not advanced because advanced PUAs will KNOW this inside and out - this is good info for beginners/rAFCs. Author: ijjjji <unknown email address> Subject: Good PU state is very LOW energy Very nice post, Jettiger! Interesting about always being low energy.. gonna test! Thanks! Author: nonzero <unknown email address> Subject: Good PU state is very LOW energy Cool, i've been using some techniques recently to reduce my anxiety which are great in reducing energy levels. Try focusing externally, not on your own thoughts and feelings. Also eliminate ANY self analytical thinking. Author: Maxx <unknown email address> Subject: Good PU state is very LOW energy I guess that's what Hypnotica was referring to when he said that 'male energy is emptiness, nothingness'. Anyone tried his sphynx of imagination? "I'd rather have no chick at all than supplicate to one" Author: A-zuro <unknown email address> Subject: Good PU state is very LOW energy Depends. In clubs etc. a high energy vibe party state is best to drag a girl into your state blahblah. What I notice about myself. The day after Ive been out and drinking, Im always more relaxed and calm and make more alpha movements, because Im wasted and just dont give a fuck. This has the drawback of me NOT being motivated to do ANYTHING at all. Ah, whatever state you 'pick'.. as long as you are congruent and self-confident, you'll be fine. That's all there is to it. -------A-zuro Author: jettiger <unknown email address> Subject: Good PU state is very LOW energy On 4/20/05 4:05:00 PM, TheGame wrote: >This is so true, I've >experienced it and have heard >other guys talk about how >they have the most success >when they go out really tired >and have low >energy. That was my experience too. I managed to get really tall HB9 KINOIng me and get her DDBing me when I was very tired after JUDO training. When you are tired all your mind focuses on what you say or think. And you

can't really get anxious cause you are too tired to be anxious, especially if you are attending martial arts classes. The only form of high energy that I can accept during PU is "external form" of high energy during OPENER. (You show high energy but inside you have low energy). I can describe it by: opening by touching HBs or taking something from her and behaving like it belongs to you. It is good when approaching HBs who were hit on very often and you must break their shield to pieces by something. Often one should use subtle aggression with HBs, when they are geting bored, cause it turns them on. Without being turned on they feel bored. (And I mean sexual aggression, though also can be another form of aggression if HB is flaking or doing similar shit. ). Though when using this form of high energy one should have low energy inside. Reality is not real. We look at everything subjectively. Author: jettiger <unknown email address> Subject: Good PU state is very LOW energy On 4/21/05 3:02:00 AM, nonzero wrote: >Cool, i've been using some >techniques recently to reduce >my anxiety which are great in >reducing energy levels. > >Try focusing externally, not >on your own thoughts and >feelings. Also eliminate ANY >self analytical thinking. THAT'S IT! Today when goint to centre by bus I reminded that at moments of best performance I was focused on being intraverted. Now I am more intraverted and I get worse results. Now I know what I have to change to come back in the same state. Ona must forget about ego at least ontil attraction stage, then disapperas fear of approaching and lot of other shit that precedes approaching, and you can calibrate much better, cause you are not focused on how to fuck her faster, but how to make sure you will fuck her. Reality is not real. We look at everything subjectively. Author: jettiger <unknown email address> Subject: Good PU state is very LOW energy On 4/21/05 10:13:00 AM, A-zuro wrote: >Depends. > >In clubs etc. a high energy >vibe party state is best to >drag a girl into your state >blahblah. Yes, if she is LSE girl. Make too much movements (lean in, follow her, shout, talk too much, etc ) indicates that you are needy. I never solidly PUed real hotties when being on high energy. # or @ close maybe, but nothing more than that. When I was on high energy it was harder for me to concentrate on one thought. When you can't concentrate - your ability to solving problems quickly just goes from hero to zero. Did you ever had such feeling in school (when you were anxious during exam and you didn't pass the them) after exams that you could have done better if you just had been calm and more concentrated? That's it. Same with PU. However there is a form of high energy that can be used in clubs, let's call it "high energy of a jerk". He is having fun, dancing, but inside he is cool, and at every second he is ready to take action. Another form of lowe energy that kills PU in the clubs: LAZYNESS and analysing too much.

When you begin to sit at one place, and you do not move anywhere. Your mind accepts this frame and you sit almost till the end of party. I had this happen to me. Best thing to do about it is to stand up and move from one corner of club to the other corner and t once begin approaching HBs. Every minute that you spend sitting thinking: Approach or not to approach? - is killing your PU. The form of low energy that is most useful is the kind of energy where you can take action while being calm (not anxious or embarrassed to approach) and focused, and not thinking too much. It's like when hunter goes to shoot down his prey. When I had same mindset I got best results. >What I notice about myself. >The day after Ive been out and >drinking, Im always more >relaxed and calm and make more >alpha movements, because Im >wasted and just dont give a >fuck. This has the drawback of >me NOT being motivated to do >ANYTHING at all. Maybe you should listen to music that makes you motivated or to work out at home. > >Ah, whatever state you >'pick'.. as long as you are >congruent and self-confident, >you'll be fine. That's all >there is to it. That might be true for you. But for me low state energy is the best. I can do crazy shit when I have low energy state. >------->A-zuro Reality is not real. We look at everything subjectively. Author: TheGame <unknown email address> Subject: Good PU state is very LOW energy Also when I started wearing really outrageous peacock gear out I remember some guys telling me that I would need to be super high energy in set to match up to how I looked but in reality I think being low energy and chill while peacocked adds a lot of mystery and intrigue. Author: NotAGoatLover <unknown email address> Subject: Good PU state is very LOW energy This POST is exactly how i felt and did yesterday! I went to the mall to sarge, and i felt AWESOME... i wasnt thinking too much and i had that 'low energy' aura in me... How i got into the low energy aura.....School was hectic today....and i went to go play basketball for about 2 hours (really intense basketball)....And i was approaching so smooth, and so comfortable...nothing mattered!It was all good! On the bad note: My bro hadnt exercised even though he wanted to, and he Wanged his wang..... and he wasnt feeling good approaching yesterday either, but he wanted, and he just couldn't.... Awesome awesome post! I was totally shocked when i read this, explained what happend to me yesterday, and what i should be doing... p.s. my body was tired (not tired but more liked cramped), but my mind wasn't....

Author: Yuri <unknown email address> Subject: Good PU state is very LOW energy I don't think you need to be low energy all the time. Low energy is just a mental state just like any other mental state. To a LARGE extent your own personal biases and experiences are influencing how this works for you. Maybe you think better in a low energy state -- well, some people think better in high-energy because it allows them to shut off the conscious mind and slip into an alpha state. What if you could design a perfect mental state that was both high energy but had all the characteristics you just mentioned? Would you use that instead? It's possible. Yuri Author: nedgey <unknown email address> Subject: Natural Game - High Energy VS Low Energy Here are some fairly scattered ideas following Woodhaven's brilliant 'Transition to Natural Game' post and Jettiger's 'Good PU state is very LOW Energy' post, among others. I believe a NATURAL/DIRECT Game can have HIGH or LOW ENERGY, or a combination of the two. This seems to be mostly influenced by your own personality type, your mood, your wing or group, and other factors present on the night. These include adrenaline/excitement, alcohol/drug intake and the degree of tiredness. Here are some examples of traits for both types. - NATURAL/DIRECT (High Energy): Assumes higher value, assumes outcome, centre of attention most of the time, natural entertainer-type, C+F, continuous flow of action, obvious/direct openers, instantly flirting with rapport, compliments and kino, testing her for ability to escalate quickly... All this done in a charming, smooth and engaging way. - NATURAL/DIRECT (Low Energy): As above, with exception of the extroverted, constantly social proofed, entertainer and centre of attention personality. Evaluation: NATURAL (Low Energy) involves opening and interacting one-on-one most of the time, chilling back, an almost 'tired' sexual state, yet also being quite forward and direct 'in game'. This approach also might rely a little more on being opened by the girl, meaning potentially less choice, depending on the level of energy/effort on the night. It might mean that you often won't end up with the "the hottest" girl in the club, but you get the choice of the ones you are attracted to and that are more likely into your particular personality and style. As discussed in related posts, this is another reason why a 'tight' image is so important. Flash judgements need to be addressed by displaying as much of your unique attractive qualities and style as possible. Also, you can adjust this to the type of girl you want to attract. Perhaps this is not necessary though. By 'being yourself' in your image you will more likely attract the type of girl more suited to you in the first place, and that you will have a better time with anyway. This Low Energy stance, in my opinion, is great for socially intelligent, but not naturally extroverted 'entertainer' type personalities. I almost want to call it the 'Maverick Darkhorse'. Gentlemen, these are interesting times. Experimentation is a beautiful thing. A lot of us probably would never have had our first ONS if it wasn't for pioneer models including Neg and DHV tactics, for instance. I would suggest that many of the major movements, such as MM, could be called INDIRECT-DIRECT. This is because it is an Indirect approach, but really, it is

quite obvious what you are doing, to many people. Then again, there are many who are oblivious, but I would say these people are often less socially intelligent themselves. I suppose the other form would be PURE INDIRECT: where you are honestly out only for the lay, not giving a rat's about any of the girls as people. Many girls are attracted to this, often the type that respond well to Negs and, on a deeper level, mis-treatment (of course, not always). But hey, some people dig that scene, It's not a bad thing. It's all about what sort of person you are, what you want and who or what you find attractive. For instance, I know many girls of quality and intelligence who are somewhat turned off by the NATURAL/DIRECT High Energy man, finding him untrustworthy. But then again these men will often get the glamorous 'actress' types which are in such demand. MM etc is a perfect system if you are congruent, or learn to make it your own thing. But I wonder if it's only so great for people belonging naturally toward the extroverted 'let's entertain the group' segment... There are so many quality women who are savvy about indirect tactics, it's not funny. I see it all the time. It's amazing to hear girls say "I so knew he was hitting on me" in response to a Neg, even when it's exceptionally placed, timed and within an otherwise good game. However, in using these methods the attraction you can generate with un-savvy women can be amazing. Great for ONS for example, but in the end IMO unfulfilling, un-natural, and a negative influence on the mind. I almost felt, at times, like comfort stage was almost redeeming and recovering from the negativity of it all. But then again that's just what my wing and I think. Nonetheless, there are so many positive and playful things to learn from the Indirect field. Anyway, just throwing ideas around.

PS: I'd like to introduce myself. I have been active in PU for two years or so now and have (along with my wing) become increasingly disillusioned by certain major models/techniques. My mentor from a couple years back (a friend of my older brother's), who is amazing, and I'm sure unaware entirely of ASF, always blew my mind with his very high energy direct approach. He is a perfect natural and it always confused me that his way of showing interest, complimenting etc never followed the major models used by ASFers. It's all becoming a lot clearer nowadays. Everything falls into place, just like it does in the field. All the best everyone, I hope you find your way. BIG HELLO AND MANY THANKS TO, among others: Mystery (the revolutionary), David D (the all-round hero), IJJJJI, Woodhaven, Jettiger, razorjack and imperfect. Author: AllActionAndy11 <unknown email address> Subject: Good PU state is very LOW energy I think it depends on the person. I work best on a low energy, but if my energy is too low then I dont feel like doing anything. You have to find the right wavelength for you. And the part about not getting upset, I think that is more not caring than low energy. Some of my best nights have been high energy, kissing, dancing, hugging, etc type nights, and a lot of my worst nights have been times when I was so low energy I wouldn't even approach. If my energy is too low and I dont smile and laugh enough (be ambient), then I start to feel down, which is bull. So Good PU state is dependant upon the PUA, but your suggestion is a good one. All Action "An ounce of action is worth a ton of theory."----Ralph Waldo Emerson Author: Transgressor <unknown email address> Subject: Good PU state is very LOW energy I think that there are 2 aspects of this energy and approaching thing...

1. Your inner game. You have to now how do you feel. Do you have to much motivation or not that much you want? Are you sure of approaching or not? If you now what state you are at (you can even use biofeedback tech. like heart-rate) and at what level you perform best, than you can lower your energy, motivation, or increase it. This way you can find your optimal energy, mobilization level. 2. Now that you can perform at your best, you want to somehow start communicating with a girl. You want to feel comfortable and so she does... You can start mirroring her, trying to breath exactly like she does, talk in similar state. If you managed to start talking and match her, now you can slowly start to lead... Author: rp_5150 <unknown email address> Subject: Good PU state is very LOW energy On 4/20/05 1:29:00 PM, jettiger wrote: > >Focus only on target and >opener. Reach low energy state >and approach. > >ALWAYS FOCUS ON LOW ENERGY >STATE. I thought the 'generally accepted guideline' was: match her energy, and amplify so it is just a bit above hers. ? -- robert1 """" toecutter: Beat that fear. Be a man. Beat your chest a little bit, because most people are slave to their fears. You conquer yours. Most guys will conquer it in context (like bungy jumping), but lets see those parachuting AFCs handling walking into a club ALONE and SOBER and APPROACHING a girl they don't know. Or worse ... a group of girls. """" Author: Osiris <unknown email address> Subject: Good PU state is very LOW energy I like that low energy approach, and I have an idea, why not combine the two levels? Think James Bond (Peirce Brosnan) and various Harrison Ford characters. They are very calm internally and in control, yet they are externally high energy, men of action, always in motion. The two levels combine to create a powerful dynamic that naturally creates flow and a powerful vibe... Another interesting one to try is low external energy, with high internal energy... Controlled high-energy state. Inside you are overflowing with high-energy while on the outside you are deliberately in control of it. Each action is inherently charged with energy and direction, internally you are literally vibing with passion and creativity, but with a subtle discipline to it... Almost like anticipation, you're only giving them a subtle taste, not quite enough, and they can't help but CRAVE more. Hmmm.... Great post! Author: Champion Man <unknown email address>

Subject: Good PU state is very LOW energy Instead of looking at low energy as the direct precursor to success (and having guys literally trying to induce this state), maybe you should look at what caused the low energy in the first place: busyness. You were busy all day and focused on doing other things to get your life together. result: outward-focused, action-oriented, and happy Author: jettiger <unknown email address> Subject: Good PU state is very LOW energy On 4/24/05 4:08:00 AM, rp_5150 wrote: >On 4/20/05 1:29:00 PM, jettiger wrote: >> >>Focus only on target and >>opener. Reach low energy state >>and approach. >> >>ALWAYS FOCUS ON LOW ENERGY >>STATE. > > >I thought the 'generally accepted >guideline' was: >match her energy, and amplify so it is >just a bit above >hers. > >? > >-- robert1

Yeah, match! And if she is embarrased you amplify her state? Some girls like high energy guys, some girls like low energy guys. But I rarely seen SHBs with high energy guys. Low energy doesn't mean not approaching targets, but means having total control of your thoughts and behaving like target was neighbour girl, and not trying to fclose her and maintain convo at all costs. Be calm and act calm. Like Bruce Lee - Always in control. Being calm means that you are in control of your feelings and you don't feel insecure. Low energy is about being secure and having HSE. Whenever you begin thinking too much and too fast you'll notice that you will have problem in carrying out simple tasks like passing:"Give me your phone number" shit-test. Low energy is thinking calm and acting calm and being in control of your feelings and emotions. Compare low energy to having low brainwaves frequencies (seek in google.com). Best ideas came to me when I was calm and had low brainwave frequency (before going to sleep, etc.) High energy can make your mind blind. People think best when they have low energy brain frequences. Did you ever fail tests because you had high energy and then think:"How could I fail this test!" ? Reality is not real. We look at everything subjectively. Author: Rodrigo <unknown email address> Subject: Good PU state is very LOW energy On 4/20/05 1:29:00 PM, jettiger wrote: >To reach this one must learn >to be calm (have low energy) >always, in all situations. >Even when something bad >happens, don't let your mind >be in rage. Be calm and learn

>from failures. > >ALWAYS FOCUS ON LOW ENERGY >STATE. jettiger, Tight post man... Think about it this way: King = low energy Jester/Joker = high energy Which do you want to be? Author: jettiger <unknown email address> Subject: Natural Game - High Energy VS Low Energy On 4/22/05 3:36:00 PM, nedgey wrote: Here are some examples of >traits for both types. > >- NATURAL/DIRECT (High >Energy): > >Assumes higher value, assumes >outcome, centre of attention >most of the time, natural >entertainer-type, C+F, >continuous flow of action, >obvious/direct openers, >instantly flirting with >rapport, compliments and kino, >testing her for ability to >escalate quickly... All this >done in a charming, smooth and >engaging way. > >- NATURAL/DIRECT (Low Energy): > >As above, with exception of >the extroverted, constantly >social proofed, entertainer >and centre of attention >personality. > > >Evaluation: > >NATURAL (Low Energy) involves >opening and interacting >one-on-one most of the time, >chilling back, an almost >'tired' sexual state, yet also >being quite forward and direct >'in game'. This approach also >might rely a little more on >being opened by the girl, >meaning potentially less >choice, depending on the level >of energy/effort on the night. I think that you are trying to explain something that is your viewpoint. But other people like me can have other viewpoints or experiences. For example when having low energy I do open chicks, and much easier and better than when I have high energy. By high energy I mean not cracking jokes and teling stories and approaching, but high emotional state, when your consciousness jumps from one thought to another and you don't know what to think and do. (find stuff about "brain wave frequencies" and read it , it will do you good) Like when you are about to fight but you don't know what you will do, how you will fight. By low energy I mean calm emotional state and being always in control of my thoughts, BL and actions, and words. (Like professional fighter can have before

fight). Only when you have such low energy you can think consciously and not be on autopilot, and in this state you can ctonrol yourself and sarge flow much better. MY low energy have nothing to do with lazyness. >It might mean that you often >won't end up with the "the >hottest" girl in the club, but >you get the choice of the ones >you are attracted to and that >are more likely into your >particular personality and >style. Quite opposite. You won't even stay in after few minutes with SHBs if you are too excited, and you have high emotional state. > >As discussed in related posts, >this is another reason why a >'tight' image is so important. >Flash judgements need to be >addressed by displaying as >much of your unique attractive >qualities and style as >possible. Also, you can adjust >this to the type of girl you >want to attract. Perhaps this >is not necessary though. By >'being yourself' in your image >you will more likely attract >the type of girl more suited >to you in the first place, and >that you will have a better >time with anyway. This is right. * We write and read here too much theory, let's just sarge and improve by analysing your mistakes and good points. > >This Low Energy stance, in my >opinion, is great for socially >intelligent, but not naturally >extroverted 'entertainer' type >personalities. I almost want >to call it the 'Maverick >Darkhorse'. You hit the point. I am not really extraverted and I like low energy.

>BIG HELLO AND MANY THANKS TO, >among others: Mystery (the >revolutionary), David D (the >all-round hero), IJJJJI, >Woodhaven, Jettiger, razorjack >and imperfect. Hello! Reality is not real. We look at everything subjectively. Author: OM <unknown email address> Subject: Good PU state is very LOW energy -I dont speak english...sorry for any mistakes.Thats a way to see energy. When i speak in high energy i see it in the following way: if i feel myself

plenty of energy i will be in totally in the opposite side of a wussy mind. I will be in control of my self and i will feel so good that i can do anything and act as i want. My mind its lucid and pure, my being is filled of sexual energy but sexual energy that i can control and direct to the PU activiy in the right manner. Low energy its when i am depressed. So, low energy and high energy its a question about vision of what do you think that energy is. Author: the_jacas <unknown email address> Subject: Good PU state is very LOW energy On 4/20/05 1:29:00 PM, jettiger wrote: >Why you should have low energy >when sarging: Low energy may work well for you. That does not mean it is ideal for everyone. Ive seen both successful low energy and high energy guys. Ive also seen terrible low energy and high energy guys. Broad Generalizations like this are ridicilous.

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