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Automatic Fast Bus Transfer (FBT) Scheme: What are your Experinces..?

Dear all, We are considering to implement FBT for some of our sub-stations catering to Process plant load. How sucessful is the FBT scheme in serving its purpose of saving the process palnt- with safety and reliabilty- from power disturbunces . Please share your experience here. Thanks in advance. 14 days ago

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VirenUnfollow Follow Viren Viren Shah P.Eng Depending on the type of equipment you purchase it is very much reliable and successful. 12 days ago Unlike Like

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DavidUnfollow Follow David David Gonzalez I Agree, this is very successfull and reliable. https://www.selinc.com/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=98299 8 days ago Unlike Like

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Meng-Ho.Unfollow Follow Meng-Ho. Meng-Ho. Ngu It is a good scheme. But you need to inhibit the automatic transfer in the case of busbar fault or else the next power connection will again feed into the same fault. It is very useful if the switchboard has two possible power sources. Example, local diesel standby generator as the 2nd power source. If the switchboard is supplied by two incomer feeders coming from the same upstream switchboard, the usefulness of the auto transfer scheme is limited to the case of faults within the incomer feeders. 7 days ago Unlike Like

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ShahramUnfollow Follow Shahram Shahram Shahkar Its basically a very challenging technic. When your substation is feeding series of dynamic loads, such as induction motors, etc. Switching the supply bus too rapidly will expose a short circuit to the energy stored in the airgap of the motors. Switching the bus too slowly would cause huge start inrush and torque interruption on the services. As there might be a variety of motors with different time constants, the optimum switching time could be really tough, unless the different bus supplies are always kept synchronous. 6 days ago Unlike Like

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SEKHARUnfollow Follow SEKHAR SEKHAR BHATTACHARYA It has to be seen very critically. The FBT relaying and trippings sensitivity should be high and in real cases during transfer the Breaker opening and closing time also comes. Apart from that if you close with residual voltage higher than 20% there will be a plugging type of operation and this may trip the incoming feeders with 51 protection as all drives are likely to reaccelerate. Again with the usage of VFD the residual voltage availability also decreases and with decreased residual voltage the FBT is not successful. Overall this is a complex phenomenon as with reacceleration of all drives the Transformer sizing also has to designed accordingly. All of this depends on the process requirement if the process requirement needs this kind of system then cost is justified. But with FBT the entire system eg Breakers,relaying times,Trafo sizes and Bus configuration (VFD availability)need to be critically studied. 5 days ago Unlike Like

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carloUnfollow Follow carlo carlo del carlo BBC and Asea and after ABB produces HBT high speed bus transfer systems since 1960 and have good experience in this field applied to factories (chemicals , reffinery etc) power plants and also Nuclear power plants. The HBT system is very simple, but needs a correct application because involves the trip scheme of the bus , the start criteria of the HBT and the blocking criteria of HBT. Also the closing time and opening time of the breakers must be considered ! If you need help send me your scheme Carlo 4 days ago Unlike Like

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AlexandreUnfollow Follow Alexandre Alexandre Sandoval Dear Rajendra, One of my clients (a steel mill) has a powerplant here in Brazil that has FBT installed at its auxiliary services busbars. It is a very sophisticated system from Siemens, it monitors not only voltage module but also phase angles to perform a "near-to-synchronism" transfer, avoiding high transient torques at the induction machines. However, I have to tell you that this system was never put into service. Not because it didnt work, it was because my client was afraid of doing that. It is a system very difficult to commission and test and, if something goes wrong, the potential damages at the induction machines are very high. I would advise you to consider another scheme: automatic "dead" bus transfer with coordinated reacceleration of the induction motors. It is a conventional automatic bus transfer together with automatic motor restart. To avoid the problems with motor reacceleration, youi define "restart stages" coordinated in time. It has been successfully used for more than 20 years at another client of mine (a ethene

production plant). The original system was based on conventional voltage and motor relays, and they have upgraded the system some years ago with digital relays. Kind Regards, Alexandre 4 days ago Unlike Like

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sinnaduraiUnfollow Follow sinnadurai sinnadurai sripadmanaban Please throw some light on dead-bus transfer system 3 days ago Unlike Like

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slavaUnfollow Follow slava slava g HBT ( FBT), very intresting and good system. We have few, it was help in critical situations. Dead Bus transfer system, I assume, its open transition or break before make transfer. that means reserve supply is connected to dead bus only. 3 days ago Unlike Like

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chandanUnfollow Follow chandan chandan verma four type of transfer 1.fast transfer 2.residual voltage transfer 3.1st phase coincidence 4.time operated transfer. i have commisionned fast bus transfer system for 6.6 kv switchgear system in power plant where station transformer incomer to unit auxillairy transformer incomer and vice versa. breaker timing also the important for the transformer.and what interlock are require it depends upon requirement.because here three breakers come in the role.so its time for open close should be around 30 ms.for one transfer system it required one module.in vice vice versa other module required.feedback we take from breakers,line PT BUS pt,line current.and different breaker status. 3 days ago Unlike Like

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AlejandroUnfollow Follow Alejandro Alejandro Gomez In my facility (power generation) we just commissioned a FBT on our 4.6KV switch gear, we have permissive installed for both voltage (within 10%) as well as sync check relays. We had no problems during testing and commissioning. And have done an online check of the system with no problems. Any other info you need feel free to email me. 1 day ago Unlike Like

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ShotaroUnfollow Follow Shotaro Shotaro Suzuki Dear Mr.Rajendra san Good afternoon Sir! We have experienced Fast Bus Transfer in Saudi Rabigh Power Plant. So please inform your mail address, then send Uint Interlock Diagram and Single Line Diagram. My mail address is ssuzuki@ndenka.co.jp Best regards, 1 day ago Unlike Like

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SEKHARUnfollow Follow SEKHAR SEKHAR BHATTACHARYA All said and done the FBT is very rarely put into operation even after proper testing and commissioning 1 day ago Unlike Like

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sinnadurai sripadmanaban Chandan,how do you call "synchronising both sources and disconnecting one of them"?. 1 day ago Unlike Like

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satishUnfollow Follow satish satish nurukurthi If you have critical loads connected FBT is very good option. I saw many plants getting advantages using FBT

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JOHNUnfollow Follow JOHN JOHN AYODELE Does anyody have Any direct result proven to indicate the effect of magnetic fields on humans? I read about several literature on this subject but none has a clear and unambigous result to show the effect 4 days ago Unlike Like

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MalladiUnfollow Follow Malladi Malladi Balasubramanyam This question has always intrigued me. I will also be happy to hear from others. Bala 3 days ago Unlike Like

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MiguelUnfollow Follow Miguel Miguel Louro There is no known physical phenomena by which an electrical, or magnetical, field induces cell malformations which leads to cancer. The WHO (world health organization) states this. There are however some studies that seem to imply a higher occurrence of child leukemia that live in areas closer to high voltage power lines. These studies are based in statistical methods and the numbers are not consistent between studies, specifically, the rate child leukemia increase. There is a well known phenomena in statistics that states that if your looking for one specific type of data you will find more cases that if haven't been looking so carefully. The child leukemia studies may have this problem. Anyway, the WHO acknowledges that the exaust fumes from diesel cars have a higher danger of causing cancer through well known cell malformations and yet no one is concerned about this to the extent of the power lines. 3 days ago Unlike Like

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JORDANUnfollow Follow JORDAN JORDAN Borissov Je pense moi qu'il faut mener des experimentations avec des animaux d'abord pour avoir une idee precise sur l 'action des hautes tensions des lignes de transport d'energy sut les oragnismes.