--- In free_energy@yahoogroups.com, arc@... wrote: > > From: "pauldude000" <pauldude000@y...

> > Date: Fri Feb 1, 2002 2:51 pm > Subject: Re: TESLA/MAXWELL > > Previous messages: > <SNIP> > > I have to disagree, to a point. Mechanical resonance is highly > destructive in any mechanical system. Wind blowing over a bridge can > set up a resonance which will rip the bridge apart, and mechanical > resonance in complex machines will vibrate them to pieces. Mechanical > resonance is a problem addressed by engineers on a daily basis in > their designs. However, for a five pound machine to cause mechanical > resonance which would destroy a building does seem a mite > farfetched, as no amount of vibration from a five pound object could > possibly move the mass contained in a building to set up said > resonance in any time span which I can comprehend. > > Using sound pressure waves possibly, but it would still require > MASSIVE amplifiers etc..., or at least a unique design for direct > energy conversion, such as burning high energy fuel then with exhaust > modulated to directly produce sound waves, to achieve the necessary > energy required (It requires x amount of energy to move y mass > minimum, either all at once or additive, no exceptions) -- which would exceed the five pound decription by a large degree. > > As far as electrical resonance, it does create special > characteristics of the amount of efficiency of the circuit. For > instance, examine the properties of an efficiently operating Tesla > coil. The first thing noticed is that the coil does not follow the > 1:1 turn ratio. The fact that the coil is resonant, frequency matched > between the primary and secondary with high Q, allows a higher > voltage/turns ratio than an unmatched set could produce. Is this > magic? NO, simply efficiency of the circuit; since most circuits are > HIGHLY inefficient. > > A good comparison would be a mechanical car engine. Currently, they > WASTE MOST of the gasoline which enters the cylinders (different > combustion temperatures etc.. from the various components which > combined are called gas). IE current engines are highly inefficient. > Simple modifications to an engine may well increase the efficiency of > the system, providing more output of said system. The same is true > for electric circuits or gasoline engines. If you wish to think about > efficiency in an electric system, consider the available output of a > theoretical system using superconductors, in comparison to an > equivalent normal system of the same type. > > Tesla merely "tweaked" his electrical systems, for more performance > so to speak. > > Paul Andrulis > -----------------------------------------------------------------> From: Jim Farrer <jfarrer@b...> > Date: Fri Feb 1, 2002 9:52 am > Subject: Re: [usa-tesla] Re: Tesla/Maxwell >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > >

Previous messages: <SNIP> Thanks for this email, Steve. I missed this in James's article, or haven't gotten to it yet. (I'm way behind on my reading. It is truly GREAT to see more action on this List!) ===>> What say you, Frred Bach, Fred Mg Gailliard, Bert Hickman, and Ed Phillips????? You've asked repeatedly for proof that Tesla said thus and so, and here it is. Do you accept the idea (Can't say 'fact') that Tesla said this? Believed this? I seem to recall that Tesla said this in his 1900 article for Century Magazine. (Could be wrong, don't have it in hand) If so, Tesla was in his prime at this period. -----------------------------------------------------------------From: Ed Phillips <evp@P...> Date: Fri Feb 1, 2002 11:44 am Subject: Re: [usa-tesla] TESLA/MAXWELL

Previous messages: "The history of science and technology for a given field is usually covered briefly in the first chapter of textbooks. You must have on your shelf several old books on radio engineering. Why don't you walk over and open them, and look for Nikola Tesla's name and Marconi's name. If you find one book that m entions Tesla's name in it, please give me the title, author, and edition." > > Ed Phillips <evp@P...> wrote: > The oldest such relevant book I have is: > "Wireless Telegraphy" by Zenneck and Seeling, First Edition, > McGraw Hill Book Company, New York. 1915 > This is a translation of a German text which was first published in > 1906. There is no mention of the "invention" of wireless or priority > thereof, but a thorough discussion of the principles involved and the > apparatus involved. He cites Tesla as originator of the use of arc > discharges for producing continuous waves of high frequency, and quotes Morgan on Tesla's proposal to use braided wires to reduce the resistance of high frequ ency conductors. Marconi is much more widely cited in connection with apparatus for which he or the Marconi > Company introduced. > > An early English book which I don't have, and have been unable to > get, is Fleming's Electric Wave Telegraphy". Don't know what he says. > I just dug out at random a number of test or reference books on the > subject of wireless/radio in which I can find no mention of Tesla or > Marconi, or any comments whatsoever as to the "inventor" of wireless > communication. These include: > "Robinson's of Radio Telegraph and Telephony for the use of Naval > Electricians", by Robinson, Todd, and Hooper, Fourth Revised > Edition, The United States Naval Institute, Annapolis, 1918. > (Had a first edition (1911) but traded that off many years ago.) > "The Principles Underlying Radio Communication", Radio Pamphlet > No.40, Signal Corps, U.S. Army, Government Printing Office, 1918 > "RADIO TELEGRAPHY AND TELEPHONY" by Duncan and Drew, John Wiley > & ons, New York, 1929 > "Radio Engineering", Terman, First Edition, McGraw Hill Book > Company, New York, 1932. > "THE RADIO ENGINEERING HANDBOOK", Keith Henney editor, Second > Edition, McGraw-Hill, New York, 1935 >

> Also took a look at wireless books intended for amateurs. Same thing. > No mention of inventors at all. Among these are: > "Wireless Telegraph Construction for Amateurs", A. P. Morgan, > Second Editon, D. VAN NOSTRAND, New York, 1911 > "The Book of Wireless" by A. F. Collins (a prolific author of > practical wireless construction articles), D. APPLETON AND > COMPANY, New York, 1916 > "Practical Wireless Telegraphy", E. E. Bucher, "Revised Edition", > Wireless Press Inc., New York, 1921 > This has quite a bit of descriptive material on Marconi Company > equipment, but no mention of invention. > > Previous messages: > "I have a dozen such books, and none of them mention Tesla, and at > least six of them mention Marconi as the inventor of radio. Not the > inventor of tuned circuits or the improver of the high voltage > oscillator, but the inventor. Tesla is not even mentioned. Go ahead, look at y our own books in your library right now, and tell me one reference that mentions Tesla. > > Ed Phillips <evp@P...> wrote: > Publications which do mention Tesla and Marconi include: > "THE DEVELOPMENT OF WIRELESS TO 1920", George Shires, Arno Press, > New York, 1977 > This should be mandatory reading for you. It discusses early workers on wirele ss communication (Preece, Lodge, Popoff, etc.), and includes > reprints of many early writings on the subject. One quote from the > chapter "The Evolution of Electric Wave Telegraphy" by Fleming: A > quote: "In 1892 Nikola Tesla captured the attention of the whole > scientific world by his fascinating experiments on high frequency > electric currents. He stimulated the scientific imagination of > others, as well as displayed his own, and created widespread interest in his b rilliant demonstrations." Note that the latter NEVER included any on wireless si gnalling! The same chapter gives a good discussion of what Marconi did do, when he did it, when he demonstrated it, etc. > A later section includes the lecture Marconi gave upon his receipt of > the Nobel Prize. One sentence says: "I did, however, attend one > course of lectures on physics under the late Professr Rosa at Liverno, and I w as, I think I might say, fairly well acquainted with publications of that time d ealing with scientific subjects, including the works of Hertz, Branly, and Righi ". He couldn't have been acquainted with the work of Tesla, since he never publi shed anything. > Marconi then discusses his experiments, and what follows, but never makes any claim as to having been the inventor of wireless. I think it is pretty clear he wasn't concerned with priority of invention, but with priority of application. > > Another must read is: > "SYNTONY AND SPARK, THE ORIGINS OF RADIO", by Hugh Aitken, Wiley and > Sons, New York", 1977. > Aitken does go extensively into the contributions of many early > experimenters and developers, including Hertz, Lodge, Tesla, and Marconi to na me a few. He describes the early demonstrations (Marconi was by no means the fir st, and Tesla never demonstrated anything, at least publicly). Dr. Aitken is a p rofessor of economics at Amherst, and a noted historian on economic and technica l matters. I also recommend his work "The Continuous Wave", which has further in formation on the subject, and in particular, on generation of CW, > on which Tesla did publish and demonstrate a lot, and was probably the formost early innovator and inventor. > > Some more works which specifically discuss Tesla's priority in wireless signal

ling include: > "THE AWA REVIEW", Volume 1, article by Leland Anderson titled "JOHN > STONE STONE ON NIKOLA TESLA'S PRIORITY IN RADIO AND CONTINUOUS> WAVE RADIOFREQUENCY APPARATUS". > As you must know, Anderson is probably best-informed author of works > telling what Tesla really did, based on Tesla's writings, many of which are in Anderson's possession. To quote from this article: > "Knowledge about Tesla's work has been severely limited, because, as an indepe ndent inventor, [Ed's comment - so was Marconi], he conducted his work in secrec y, and did not associate himself with a business enterprise which could have per petuated the record of his accomplishments. However, writings are surfacing from special > archives showing his work ante-dates that of many [Ed - by no means all] other s in radio and allied arts." > Perhaps Anderson's most compelling discussions OF Tesla's priorities > are in his: > "NIKOLA TESLA ON HIS WORK WITH ALTERNATING CURRENTS" > This is a comb-bound work without date or mention of the publisher. > Almost positive I got it from the TESLA BOOK COMPANY a couple of > years back. If you by any mischance, don't have it, by all means get it, and r ead it! > > Previous messages: > "On a random basis, walk up to any electrical engineer and ask them who invent ed radio. Also ask them if they have any clue as to what Nikola Tesla invented, or if they have even heard of him." > > Ed Phillips <evp@P...> wrote: > Most of the EE's I work with haven't much interest in history of any > sort, and couldn't even tell you who was "The Great White Father in > Washington", or the perpetrator of the New Deal! > > Previous messages: > "I have talked to many electrical engineers, both civilian and > military. The vast majority never heard his name mentioned in school, and almo st all of them know for a fact that Marconi was the inventor of radio. Your susp icions are not only anecdotal, they are wrong." > > Ed Phillips <evp@P...> wrote: > That could well be true; I don't know. During my college days > (1942-1948), I first heard of Tesla in an introductory course on AC > Machinery, a field in which he was indisputably a pioneer, and can't > remember ever hearing of Marconi in the class room or any textbooks. > > Previous messages: > "Ed, you have spoken with an air of authority on many issues which > you obviously are not fully educated on. There are many people on these lists who are far more familiar with Nikola Tesla's life and accomplishments than you have presented yourself to be. Stick to your field of expertise, and learn from others about Nikola Tesla." > > Ed Phillips <evp@P...> wrote: > Well, as you can see below, I've tried to educate myself, and have > read what at least some others have written about Tesla. To me the most import ant single reference is: > "THE INVENTIONS, RESEARCHS and WRITINGS of NIKOLA TESLA", Thomas > Cummorford Morgan, originally published by THE ELECTRICAL ENGINEER, > New York, 1894. > As you know, Morgan was a prominent electrical engineer, past president of the AIEE among other things, and contemporary of Tesla. This has to be the definiti

ve reference on Tesla's work during the time when Marconi and others were experi menting with "wireless". The various articles in Tesla's own words are masterpie ces of technical writing, clear and descriptive, and remarkable considering that English wasn't his first, or even his second language. His exposition is beauti ful and unambiguous. I think there is a single reference to remote signalling, b ut I can't find it this morning - perhaps you can dig it out and let me know whe re it is. These works would establish, > if there were any doubt on anyone's part, Tesla's position as originator of mo dern AC equipment and systems. The results of this work affect us all in our dai ly lives, and the single-phase induction motor, perhaps his greatest single inve ntion, is ubiquitous. I'll bet there's a dozen or more in every household in the civilized world. At the moment, I can't lay my hands on the book which gives hi s famous lecture "EXPERIMENTS ALTERNATE CURRENTS OF HIGH POTENTIAL AND HIGH FREQ UENCY', but it's around here somewhere. Lots of demonstrations, but none on sign alling..... > > Of equal interest are the "COLORADO SPRINGS NOTEs 1899-1900", as they > show with his own informal words how he went about things, how he > thought, and how he did his design work. Wireless signalling isn't > really covered at all. Anyone who has CSN has, or should have, > Richard Hull's excellent "The Tesla Coil Builder's Guide to the Colorado Sprin gs Notes of Nikola Tesla". I like his note in the introduction "I believe none o f what I hear, half of what I read, 90% of what I see, and 100% of WHAT I CAN RE PRODUCE BY EXPERIMENT". I guess that applies to what I have seen of recent writi ngs about > Tesla, which seem to me to be mostly hearsay. Other writings I consider worthw hile reading include O'Neill's "Prodigal Genius", and Hunt & Draper's "Lightning in His Hands". The rest I've read is, in my opinion, trash, anecdote, hearsay, and mythology. The worst of these of course is Cheney, who writes on a mystical level, and is, at least to me, full of nonsensical stuff. The PBS "TESLA Master of Lightning" has lots of interesting pictures in it, but the commentary (largel y by Cheny?) is pretty trivial. > > TESLA BOOK COMPANY's "DR. NIKOLA TESLA, Complete Patents" is a valuable resour ce, as are the four volumes of "DR. NIKOLA TESLA, SELECTED PATENT WRAPPERS", als o compiled by Ratzlaff. Most of the material here was probably written by Tesla' s lawyers, but it's fascinating reading, and gives a good picture of how Tesla, the lawyers, and the Patent Office went about things in those days. > > Dave, if you can point me toward any other worthwhile references > which include AUTHENTICATABLE material and contemporary references to some of the other wonderful things attributed to Tesla, I'd appreciate it. I'll get them and read them. > > Ed > > Wow! How this has rambled. Of course, it's a fascinating subject, and > one about which heated discussions will never end. > -----------------------------------------------------------------> From: Ed Phillips <evp@P...> > Date: Fri Feb 1, 2002 12:02 pm > Subject: Re: [usa-tesla] Re: Tesla/Maxwell > > Previous messages: > More 60 years ago Nikola Tesla wrote: "I showed that the universal medium is a gaseous body, in which only longitudinal pulses can be propagated, involving al ternating compressions and expansions similar to those produced by sound waves i n the air. > > Ed Phillips <evp@P...> wrote:

> If you read Tesla's description of his demonstration, what he showed > was conduction of current through a tube filled with ionized gas. The > return circuit was through the ground, although he doesn't mention that. > > Previous messages: > Thus, a wireless transmitter does not produce Hertz waves, which are a myth, b ut sound waves in the ether, behaving in every respect like those in the air, ex cept that, owing to the great elastic force and > extremely small density of the medium, their speed is that of light." > > Ed Phillips <evp@P...> wrote: > Well, the Hertzian waves are alive and thriving, and have been for well over a century. > > Previous messages: > scientist Thomas E. Bearden explained this statement of Tesla in this > way: Ordinary receivers use the so-called "precessia of electrons" phenomenon, that is a result of interaction between electron gas and antenna wires, metal, and longitudinal waves [2]. Tesla wrote about great mistake of modern science: > "The Hertz wave theory of wireless transmission may be kept up for a while, bu t I do not hesitate to say, that in a short time, it will be > recognized as one of the most remarkable and inexplicable aberrations of the s cientific mind which has ever been recorded in history", article "The True Wirel ess" [ 2, p.95 ]. > > Ed Phillips <evp@P...> wrote: > How does "Dr. Bearden" explain this one? Why has this "most > remarkable and inexplicable aberration" stuck around for so long? > > Ed > -----------------------------------------------------------------> From: "David Thomson" <dave@v...> > Date: Fri Feb 1, 2002 12:50 pm > Subject: RE: [usa-tesla] TESLA/MAXWELL > > Previous messages: > Wow! How this has rambled. Of course, it's a fascinating subject and one about which heated discussions will never end. > > "David Thomson" <dave@v...> wrote: > Hi Ed, > Even if we do disagree in the future, I will now regard you with much more res pect. Rich Oliver also has shown the same desire to communicate with science, fa ct, and scholarship. > > A good Tesla-authored article to read concerning longitudinal waves can be rea d right here on the Internet at... > http://www.tfcbooks.com/writings/wireless.htm > Tesla's article on The Problem of Increasing Human Energy is a good read, and is available at... > http://www.tfcbooks.com/writings/energy.htm > In fact, many of the Tesla articles are available at... > http://www.tfcbooks.com/writings/contents.htm > > I have just finished reading all of Tesla's patents in the past few weeks, and will be reading them again, as I write commentaries and cross-references for a Tesla CD I'm producing. You may want to read Tesla's FBI file, but it is time co nsuming to get the bits and pieces of good information out of this huge, non sea rchable text. You can download it straight from the FBI website... > http://foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex.htm

> I have many of the radio engineering books you have, but you mentioned a coupl e I haven't read. Another good book about Tesla you must read is "Wizard" by Mar c Seifer. I purchased an autographed > copy, as it really is well written, and covers lots of details about Tesla's l ife. > http://www.netsense.net/tesla/frames.html > > Currently, I am doing research on Tesla's spiral coils. Today, I built a circu it that appears to generate longitudinal electrostatic waves. I'm not making thi s claim, just that I am pursuing the possibility. You can see this experiment an d schematic at my new yahoogroups list for Flat Spiral Secondaries at... > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spiralcoils/ > > I own Colorado Springs Notes, and Richard Hull's notes on it. Richard Hull is truly an expert in the field, but I have noticed his preoccupation with Tesla co ils, at least publicly, is with producing large sparks. He glosses over many imp ortant points Tesla makes in his CSN. Of course, they're only important if you a re researching Tesla's receivers, as I am. There are so many people out there pr eoccupied with spark design, that I have turned my attention to wave geometry, a nd the interaction of all things in the universe > by way of Tesla's waves. My favorite quote of Tesla's that I have only seen pu blished in his FBI file is, "There is no energy in > matter, except that which it receives from the environment." This was Tesla's answer to Einstein's e=mc^2. Where Einstein saw the universe as matter containin g energy, Tesla saw the universe as energy manifested as matter. > > I also have a bunch of the fringe books claiming all kinds of inaccurate theor ies, such as Tesla causing the Tunguska Blast, and rumor stories concerning his alleged exotic inventions. I read these books looking for clues, not answers. Fo r example, there are several accounts by newspaper articles and Tesla's nephew, that he made a black box power supply that operated a Pierce Arrow automobile. T here are even parts lists floating around describing the tubes, coils, and resis tors that went into the black box. This may be true or nonsense, > -- my goal is to determine whether it is fact or fiction by building it myself . And since the details are not complete in the rumors, I'm thoroughly researchi ng Tesla's patents, articles, other rumors, and whatever it takes to get a worki ng understanding of the world as Tesla saw it. I don't want to see Tesla through the eyes of a modern engineer or physicist. There is too much circumstantial ev idence > already known to suggest Tesla truly did have a better way of seeing the world . The only way we can tell for sure, is to fully understand his position, do his experiments, build things the way he built them, and see for ourselves if they work. As you rightfully quoted Richard Hull, we can only believe with 100% the t hings we can replicate for ourselves. > > If you monitor the Flat Spiral Secondaries list, you will see, over time, just how much more knowledge Tesla had that we are just now learning. There are some pretty interesting things about these flat spiral secondaries that you can see for yourself. Electrostatics, resonance, longitudinal waves, -- it all sounds li ke hocus-pocus until you actually build the things, and see that it really does > work. > > Dave David Thomson dave@v... <mailto:dave@v...> > -----------------------------------------------------------------> From: Steve Wingate <stevew77@p...> > Date: Fri Feb 1, 2002 12:57 pm > Subject: Re: [usa-tesla] Re: Tesla/Maxwell > > Previous messages: > <SNIP>

> > Ed, > What Tesla is saying is that Hertzian waves are misinterpreted. > Steve > -----------------------------------------------------------------> From: Fred Bach <music@e...> > Date: Fri Feb 1, 2002 2:24 pm > Subject: Re: [usa-tesla] TESLA/MAXWELL > > David Thomson wrote: > "I don't want to see Tesla through the eyes of a modern engineer or physicist. " > > Why not? The other stuff you say in the paragraph above is fine, but just exac tly what are you afraid of? > .. Fred Bach music@t... > -----------------------------------------------------------------> From: "David Thomson" <dave@v...> > Date: Fri Feb 1, 2002 2:41 pm > Subject: RE: [usa-tesla] TESLA/MAXWELL > > Hi Fred, > I'm not afraid of anything. It's advanced problem solving. When you can't find the obvious answer, eliminate the obvious assumptions. I've witnessed engineer after engineer come up to bat, and tell how it is impossible for Tesla to be ri ght. They all just "know" Tesla is wrong because he goes against mainstream scie nce. It's like solving impedance with an imaginary number. Everybody knows that you can't have a square root of negative 1, but it works. > Dave David Thomson dave@v... <mailto:dave@v...> > -----------------------------------------------------------------> From: Jet Black <tesla@o...> > Date: Fri Feb 1, 2002 3:19 pm > Subject: Re: [usa-tesla] TESLA/MAXWELL > > From my "historical" readings, somewhat paltry to yours Ed, the closest thing you will get to seeing Tesla's name in books circa > 1900, is seeing the name Westinghouse & that Edison character. It appears tha t all American published books give Tesla a very wide berth; books published in the UK give him a nod, & a few vague paragraphs, ie: "The Inventors Cavalcade" pub. Lindsay Drummond > Ltd., 1944, chapter 3: "Tesla the Croation Edison" -- somewhat > insulting, but it does mention his first day of work for Edison -- began the transmission of 3 phase current which resulted in his Niagra Falls hydro electri c project -- it briefly mentions Tesla's spectacular coil discharges @ 1 million oscillations a second, VIP, > -- the book says this is what led him to make his HF Medical equipment using a method called "diathermy" -- the heat treatment of diseased internal tissues & organs -- there's an amusing story about Mark Twain & this equipment in other bo oks, late one night in Tesla's lab -- Marconi & Hertz get a very good write up i n this book, along with numerous other "European" inventors & scientists which f ail to > make any US published book I have seen. If anyone has the historical time line I posted on-list a few years back, you will see their names, -- it might be wor th reposting (if anyone has it handy, I don't), as there has been much reference to the history of > "electricity" of late; it contains Thales of Miletus getting shocked by Amber in 600 B.C. to the 1941 first test flights of jet powered planes -- I suspect th at murderous engineering techno menace, Adolph Hitler, was well into flying jet & rocket powered planes by 1941. >

> As far as modern day Technical & Engineering books, Tesla's name appears in mo st of them; the SI unit index at the back always has him in it, but there is no real mention of Tesla in relation to "magnetic flux density" (magnetic induction ) in these books. > http://www.emf-data.org/datasets/002/iitri15.html > no mention of Tesla here > http://www.chemie.de/tools/units.php3?language=e&property=kg%2FA*s%5E2 > WELL worth bookmarking, the name Tesla appears on this page, & it lets you con vert things you never thought possible :) > As long as Tesla's name remains in the good company of his fellow SI unit comp anions, there will always be someone who is educated enough to spot "the odd nam e out", and do a bit of research on this Tesla fellow who they have never heard of before. > > Thanks for the book names Ed > JB > P.S. It's wonderful to see that for all his great work/thievery, that there is no SI unit named the Edison.............. > -----------------------------------------------------------------> From: Ed Phillips <evp@P...> > Date: Fri Feb 1, 2002 3:34 pm > Subject: Re: [usa-tesla] TESLA/MAXWELL > > David: > > Will look through those references when I get time, and send any > comments then. Looks like it will take a lot (of time). Have read > favorable comments on Seifer's book, but haven't picked it up yet. I > don't understand all of the excitement about flat spirals and, for that matter , Tesla's interest in them. They're awkward to build and handle, and certainly d on't give the lowest losses for a given amount of copper. Will look at whatever you sent on that subject too. > > After I sent that note off, I dug out a set of URL's covering early work on wi reless transmission, and will post it here along with some comments, also, when I get a chance. I guess my feelings about the > "invention of wireless/radio" is that there were many guys working on it at ab out the same time, and that neither Tesla or Marconi was the first to demonstrat e something that worked. Maxwell worked out the theory, although in awkward math ematics which was turned into the more familiar form by Oliver Heaviside later i n the century. Hertz clearly was the inventor of equipment to transmit radio wav es, and his work inspired all of that which followed. He was trying to demonstra te that Maxwell was correct, and in the course of his demonstration, he first co nceived (in his mind) the design of a spark transmitter, and then went on to bui ld it, and perform his experiments. That was truly an invention, and one of the essential hardware ingredients for the later work. Strongly recommend you read a biography of Hertz, who was a remarkable guy, and whose most creative work was not in the field of EM waves at all. I think the following comment sort of sums up the whole subject for me: > "The evolution of this method is interesting because it illustrates how one ar t is built upon another, and also the familiar story of separate inventors arriv ing at the same answer almost simultneously, actually somewhat in advance of ins trumentalities having the characteristics to make the invention practically serv iceable." > > This actually referred to radar, where the names of both Tesla and Hertz are t o be found as well. Tesla appears to have been the first > to conceive of the general idea, and Marconi appears to have been the first to have written a more explicit suggestion as to what might be done. Interestingly enough, there was a REAL inventor of radar. The German Christian Hulsemeir inve

nted, built, and tried to sell a working radar in the period 1904 to 1906; some of his original equipment still exists, and there is no doubt it worked. His pat ent on the "Telemobilescope" is interesting reading. Apparently, neither Tesla o r Marconi was at all aware of his device, as both wrote stuff on the possiblity long after his work was completed. The history of radar is of great interest to me, since I've been working in that field since 1945, only about a decade after the development of the first practical radar systems. > Fun subject! > Ed > -----------------------------------------------------------------> From: Ed Phillips <evp@P...> > Date: Fri Feb 1, 2002 3:40 pm > Subject: Re: [usa-tesla] Re: Tesla/Maxwell > > Steve Wingate wrote: > Ed, > What Tesla is saying is that Hertzian waves are misinterpreted. > Steve > > From: Ed Phillips <evp@P...> wrote: > Sure doesn't sound like it to me: > > "Thus, a wireless transmitter does not produce Hertz waves, which are a myth, but sound waves in the ether, behaving in every respect like those in the air, e xcept that, owing to the great elastic force and extremely small density of the medium, their speed is that of light." > > The reference to the ether is mystifying, since this was written long > after the Michelson-Morley (sp?) experiment demolished the > ether/aether theory altogether. Very hard to believe Tesla wasn't aware of it. As for the myth and misunderstanding, Hertz's theory and explanation fit all kn own observations, and are in universal use today. They never "faded away". > > Ed > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com >