I N THE SECOND J UDI CI AL DI STRI CT COURT OF THE STATE OF

NEVADA
I N AND FOR THE COUNTY OF WASHOE
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THE STATE OF NEVADA, :
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Pl ai nt i f f , : Case No. CR12- 2025
: Dept No. 10
vs. :
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ZACH COUGHLI N, :
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Def endant . :
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TRANSCRI PT OF PROCEEDI NGS
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November 13, 2012
Reno, Nevada
SUNSHI NE LI TI GATI ON SERVI CES
Tr anscr i bed By: GAI L R. WI LLSEY, CSR #359, CA CSR
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5 THE COURT: The next mat t er we have i s St at e
6 of Nevada ver sus Zachar y Coughl i n. Thi s i s a mot i on
7 hear i ng f or a pr ot ect i ve or der t o quash subpoenas and
8 f or a pr ot ect i ve or der r egar di ng i ssuance of
9 subpoenas.
10 Bef or e comi ng i n t oday, I had r evi ewed t he
11 mot i on. I had, at a pr evi ous hear i ng, ent er ed a
12 t empor ar y or der pendi ng t he hear i ng i n t hi s mat t er f or
13 Mr . Coughl i n t o be her e t o ar gue on t hi s mat t er . I ' m
14 goi ng t o al l ow each si de 10 mi nut es t o ar gue.
15 MR. COUGHLI N: Your Honor , i f I coul d j ust
16 qui ckl y i nt er j ect and cont est t he ser vi ce of t he
17 not i ce of t hi s hear i ng?
18 THE COURT: You can cont est anyt hi ng you want
19 but i t ' s goi ng t o count agai nst your t i me.
20 So we wi l l al l ow 10 mi nut es per si de, and I
21 wi l l st r i ct l y enf or ce t hat . Bef or e we get i nt o a
22 l ar ge hear i ng - - a l ong hear i ng, I ' msor r y, I wi l l
23 advi se Mr . Coughl i n t hat t he cour t has been pr esent ed
24 wi t h a number of subpoenas, and t her e i s some quest i on
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1 as t o t he val i di t y of al l of t hemand speci f i cal l y
2 whet her you even had any subpoenas si gned by t he cl er k
3 of t hi s cour t or by a j udge of t hi s cour t - -
4 MR. COUGHLI N: Your Honor , i f you coul d j ust
5 cl ar i f y somet hi ng. I s t he St at e supposed t o be her e?
6 THE COURT: Thi s i s t he peopl e you ser ved t he
7 subpoenas on. The St at e i s not a par t y t o t hi s
8 mot i on.
9 MR. COUGHLI N: They' r e a par t y t o t hi s case.
10 THE COURT: They' r e a par t y t o t he case, but
11 t hey have not hi ng t o do wi t h t hi s mot i on.
12 MR. COUGHLI N: So t hey don' t need t o be her e?
13 THE COURT: No. They wer e not i f i ed however .
14 I don' t know whet her t hey chose t o be her e or not , but
15 t hey have no st andi ng i n t hi s case. Thi s i s I bel i eve
16 and I ' muncl ear as t o - - l et ' s st at e t he appear ances
17 f or t he r ecor d t hen I ' mgoi ng t o st ar t r unni ng t he
18 cl ock.
19 MR. SKAU: Al l r i ght .
20 Your Honor , Cr ai g Skau f r omt he Reno Ci t y
21 At t or ney' s Of f i ce r epr esent i ng a number of Ci t y
22 empl oyees - -
23 THE COURT: Wi l l you spel l your l ast name f or
24 t he r ecor d?
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1 MR. SKAU: Cer t ai nl y, i t ' s S K A U,
2 r epr esent i ng a number of Ci t y empl oyees who have
3 r ecei ved document s or been named i n document s and wer e
4 cont est i ng t hei r ser vi ce.
5 MR. COUGHLI N: Can we get speci f i cal l y who
6 t hey ar e t hat you' r e r epr esent i ng, si r ?
7 MR. SKAU: Your Honor , t hey ar e i n t he
8 pl eadi ngs t hemsel ves.
9 THE COURT: They' r e i n t he pl eadi ngs. I ' m
10 not goi ng t o wast e t i me wi t h t hat , Mr . Coughl i n. We
11 ar e not goi ng t o wast e t i me t hi s mor ni ng, I pr omi se
12 you t hat . You know who t hey ar e.
13 MR. COUGHLI N: No, I don' t .
14 THE COURT: You ser ved t hem.
15 MR. COUGHLI N: I don' t know who he' s
16 r epr esent i ng, si r .
17 THE COURT: He' s r epr esent i ng t he Ci t y of
18 Reno empl oyees t hat you ser ved.
19 MR. COUGHLI N: And whi ch mar shal s does t hat
20 i ncl ude, I need t o know t hi s, i t ' s seems as i f he' s
21 ar t f ul l y dr af t ed i t i n a way wher e he' s sayi ng wel l , I
22 can' t r ead who t hat i s but - -
23 THE COURT: Okay. You have now spent
24 t wo mi nut es. So you wi l l have your t i me. So you' ve
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1 spent t wo mi nut es.
2 MR. COUGHLI N: Your Honor , I have a t r i al
3 wi t h t he St at e Bar of Nevada t omor r ow.
4 THE COURT: Si r , you can si t down and keep
5 your mout h shut unt i l i t ' s your t i me t o speak; do you
6 under st and t hat ?
7 MR. COUGHLI N: Yes, si r .
8 THE COURT: I f you don' t know who you ser ved,
9 t hen you' ve got a pr obl emor at t empt ed t o ser ve
10 because t hat ' s what t hi s i s al l about .
11 So Mr . Skau, do you have a l i st of t he peopl e
12 t hat you r epr esent i n t he pl eadi ngs t hat you can hand
13 t o hi mbecause I t hought he was ser ved wi t h t hi s?
14 MR. SKAU: We bel i eve he has been ser ved. I f
15 he hasn' t chosen t o pi ck up anyt hi ng, your Honor , you
16 aut hor i zed ser vi ce by e- mai l .
17 What we di d was we mai l ed, sent by
18 Reno- Car son Ci t y Messenger Ser vi ce and e- mai l ed
19 copi es. We di d r ecei ve an e- mai l back f r omMr .
20 Coughl i n sayi ng, " I can' t open t he document s, " and so
21 we had Reno- Car son Messenger Ser vi ce ser ve - -
22 THE COURT: Do you have an ext r a copy her e t o
23 t hat ?
24 MR. SKAU: Yes, I do.
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1 THE COURT: Why don' t you j ust hand i t t o
2 hi m.
3 What I ' mt r yi ng t o f i nd out , Mr . Skau,
4 because you don' t have t o spend a l ot of t i me on t hi s,
5 does or do you r epr esent t he peopl e l i st ed i n your
6 pl eadi ngs and t her e was Mr . Wong who al so had f i l ed a
7 mot i on wi t h t he cour t . He' s not her e, ar e you
8 r epr esent i ng hi s cl i ent s as wel l or - -
9 MR. SKAU: I t hi nk he was ser ved per sonal l y
10 so hi s r esponse was on behal f of hi msel f I bel i eve,
11 your Honor .
12 I n any event , i n my mot i on, I coul d t hr ough
13 t he peopl e. One i s Suzi e Roger s and Kel l y Ot t om.
14 They' r e l i st ed i n Exhi bi t 1 t o my mot i on and t hey' r e
15 emer gency communi cat i on peopl e. And agai n, t hey wer e
16 not ser ved ei t her per sonal l y or wi t h a subpoena t hat
17 was pr oper l y i ssued. Ther e ar e l egi bi l i t y i ssues wi t h
18 al l of t hese.
19 THE COURT: Wer e you ever pr esent ed wi t h a
20 subpoena under seal of t he cour t ?
21 What I have at t ached her e ar e copi es of
22 subpoenas but no seal of t he cour t on any of t hem.
23 MR. SKAU: No seal of t he cour t and t hey wer e
24 si mpl y sent by e- mai l , your Honor .
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1 THE COURT: Okay.
2 So t hey wer e not pr oper l y ser ved accor di ng t o
3 your mot i on?
4 MR. SKAU: Let ' s see, what I do have i t says
5 Deput y Cl er k. I coul dn' t t el l you who t hi s St eve
6 Tut t l e, Cl er k of t he Cour t , whet her t hat ' s a pr oper l y
7 i ssued subpoena or not . Al l I know i s t hat t hese ones
8 i n t he f i r st packet wer e sent by e- mai l so t hey wer e
9 not pr oper l y ser ved.
10 Then as we get t o some of t he ot her s i n t he
11 packet , t hey' r e sent t o Cust odi ans Of Recor ds wi t h no
12 di scr i mi nat i on of document s t hat ar e supposedl y bei ng
13 subpoenaed. So t her e' s al so a quest i on of si mpl y why
14 ar e t hese peopl e bei ng handed or f axed subpoenas t hat
15 r eal l y make no sense and I bel i eve ar e pr obabl y
16 i r r el evant t o t he l awsui t .
17 THE COURT: Okay.
18 J ust so we can get t hi s. I ' mnot deci di ng
19 r el evancy t oday because he hasn' t even ar gued t hat .
20 MR. SKAU: Okay.
21 THE COURT: But so f ar as t he subpoenas bei ng
22 chal l enged, i f you can conci sel y st at e t he r easons
23 al t hough I ' ve r ead t hi s but as I under st and i t , number
24 one i s i mpr oper ser vi ce, r i ght ?
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1 MR. SKAU: Yes, your Honor , t hat ' s on - -
2 THE COURT: And t he i mpr oper ser vi ce was
3 at t empt ed by e- mai l by t he def endant hi msel f as a
4 par t y t o t he act i on and cannot ser ve subpoenas, i s
5 t hat , as I under st and i t , one of t he ar gument s?
6 MR. SKAU: That woul d be my under st andi ng,
7 your Honor .
8 THE COURT: Wel l , t el l me what t hey ar e
9 because t hat ' s t wo r easons. What ar e t he ot her
10 r easons?
11 MR. SKAU: Wel l , l et ' s see - -
12 THE COURT: Wel l , unr eadabl e.
13 MR. SKAU: I l l egi bl e, cor r ect .
14 THE COURT: I r r el evant ?
15 MR. SKAU: Agai n, i r r el evant , of cour se.
16 Anot her r eason i s t hat some of t he wi t nesses l i ke t he
17 Reno Pol i ce Depar t ment wi t nesses i n Exhi bi t 3 wer e t he
18 at t empt ed ser vi ce was by Mr . Coughl i n agai n per sonal l y
19 del i ver i ng t hem, I guess and al so al l he di d was sl i de
20 t hemunder a wi ndow at t he pol i ce depar t ment whi ch
21 does not const i t ut e per sonal ser vi ce on t hese
22 of f i cer s.
23 THE COURT: Al l r i ght .
24 So i l l egi bl e, i r r el evant ser vi ce by t he
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1 def endant who i s a par t y t o t he act i on who cannot
2 ser ve and e- mai l ser vi ce. Anyt hi ng el se?
3 MR. SKAU: The l ast one had t o do wi t h
4 Exhi bi t 6, your Honor , and t hi s one I don' t know what
5 t o say except t hat appar ent l y a Mar shal J oe Har l ey was
6 handed a packet of mat er i al s f r oman uni dent i f i ed
7 per son. We don' t know whet her t hat was good ser vi ce
8 or not i n t hat r espect , but t he document s t hat Mr .
9 Har l ey was handed, i f you l ook at Exhi bi t 6, ar e
10 si mpl y not l egi bl e. I mean, i t has mul t i pl e peopl e on
11 t her e, i t sai d i n par t , " Pl ease not e, t hi s may or may
12 not be l awf ul command and t her ef or e - -
13 THE COURT: Wel l , t hi s one i s cl ear l y not
14 i ssued by t he cour t . Ther e' s not hi ng on i t t o show a
15 subpoena was i ssued.
16 Al l r i ght . I under st and your ar gument so we
17 wi l l hear f r omMr . Coughl i n now. Mr . Coughl i n?
18 MR. COUGHLI N: Yes, si r , your Honor .
19 THE COURT: Do you have any pr oof of ser vi ce
20 of any of t hese?
21 MR. COUGHLI N: I bel i eve so, your Honor .
22 THE COURT: Wher e i s i t ?
23 THE WI TNESS: I t ' s not wi t h me, your Honor ,
24 i t ' s i r oni c Mr . Skau i s sayi ng he ser ved me by e- mai l
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1 but he' s cont est i ng t hi s ser vi ce by e- mai l .
2 THE COURT: I di r ect ed - - si nce I want ed t o
3 make sur e t hat you had not i ce of t hi s pr oceedi ng, si r ,
4 because - - f i r st of al l , l et me t el l you t hi s, e- mai l
5 i s not pr oper f or ser vi ce of a subpoena. So i f
6 someone get s an e- mai l subpoena, t hey don' t have t o
7 show up.
8 So I don' t even have t o or der t hat . I f you
9 ser ved t hem, t hat ' s not pr oper ser vi ce. You' r e a
10 par t y t o t he act i on. I f t hey' r e el i gi bl e, t hey don' t
11 have t o r espond. I f t hey' r e i r r el evant t o t he case
12 bef or e me whi ch i s t he t hef t of a cel l phone, t hen
13 t hey don' t have t o r espond and i f i t wasn' t i ssued by
14 a cl er k of t hi s cour t or a j udge si nce you' r e not an
15 at t or ney, you cannot i ssue a subpoena, and i f you ar e
16 copyi ng subpoenas and ser vi ng t hem, si r , t hat i s an
17 addi t i onal pr obl em.
18 MR. COUGHLI N: You mean copy - -
19 THE COURT: Copyi ng subpoenas t hat ar e not
20 under seal of t he cour t and ser vi ng peopl e wi t h t hose,
21 t hat i s not onl y i mpr oper but i l l egal .
22 MR. COUGHLI N: Your Honor , t her e wer e a
23 number of i ssues t hat wer e i ssued, t he one f or Wei s by
24 t he cour t , Ms. Ober man down t her e on t he f or mt hat di d
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1 t he whol e embossi ng t hi ng, t hose ar e t he ones f or
2 Di spat cher Wei ss, Di spat cher Mont gomer y, al l t he
3 of f i cer s, Lax, Rossa and Der al ude.
4 THE COURT: Wel l , t hen you have t he
5 or i gi nal s?
6 MR. COUGHLI N: Yes, your Honor , I guess i t
7 was my under st andi ng I di dn' t t hi nk I was supposed t o
8 ser ve t he or i gi nal on t he par t i es.
9 THE COURT: No but you need t o f i l e t hemwi t h
10 t he cour t .
11 MR. COUGHLI N: Okay, and I ' ve been t ol d t he
12 f ax i s an or i gi nal and I bel i eve by t hi s cour t and I
13 bel i eve t hose have been f axed i n.
14 THE COURT: No, si r , I never t ol d you a f ax
15 i s an or i gi nal .
16 MR. COUGHLI N: No, not by you, si r . I mean
17 by t he admi ni st r at or , Ms. Baker .
18 Your Honor , I bel i eve t her e' s somet hi ng
19 per t i nent t o poi nt out her e i s t hat under N R
20 S- 174. 375, I bel i eve ser vi ce i n a mi sdemeanor t r i al
21 can be t he ef f ect uat ed by cer t i f i ed mai l i ng, and t her e
22 have been uncer t i f i ed mai l i ngs her e t hat I t hi nk mi ght
23 ki nd of make al l t hese ar gument s mut e. I woul d
24 i magi ne Mr . Skau' s cl i ent s have r ecei ved t hose by t hi s
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1 poi nt .
2 I t hi nk t he l egi bi l i t y i ssues ar e of f base.
3 I bel i eve t hese ar e l ar gel y t yped and ar e mat er i al s
4 t hat wer e ser ved i nci dent t o t hese - - expl i cat e t he
5 basi s - -
6 THE COURT: Do you have copi es of any of t he
7 ones or t he or i gi nal s act ual l y because you' ve sai d
8 t hey' ve been ser ved. So you have t he or i gi nal s t o
9 f i l e wi t h t he cour t ?
10 MR. COUGHLI N: Wel l , I bel i eve I f axed t he
11 or i gi nal s.
12 THE COURT: How coul d you f ax an or i gi nal ,
13 si r ?
14 MR. COUGHLI N: Wel l , I ' ve been t ol d by t hi s
15 cour t , not by you, your Honor , t hat a f ax i s an
16 or i gi nal .
17 THE COURT: No, i t ' s not .
18 MR. COUGHLI N: Wel l , we' ve ki nd of gone
19 ar ound about t hi s over t he l ast year .
20 THE COURT: You can' t have a seal of a cour t
21 on t he f ax.
22 MR. COUGHLI N: I ' ve mai nt ai ned t hese
23 document s, your Honor , i n t he event t hat t hat ' s
24 necessar y t o br i ng t he exact - -
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1 THE COURT: Wel l , i t wi l l be necessar y i f you
2 show up t o cour t f or t r i al and you' r e expect i ng peopl e
3 t o be her e, i f you haven' t pai d t hemt hei r wi t ness
4 f ee.
5 MR. COUGHLI N: Wel l , you wai ved t he wi t ness
6 f ee, your Honor .
7 THE COURT: No, I di dn' t wai ve t he wi t ness
8 f ee.
9 MR. COUGHLI N: On 10/ 22, at t he Oct ober 22
10 hear i ng?
11 THE COURT: I don' t bel i eve I wai ved any
12 wi t ness f ee.
13 THE WI TNESS: We t al ked about my i ndi gency.
14 THE COURT: Wel l , we may have t al ked about
15 your i ndi gency t o pr oceed and r epr esent your sel f . You
16 chose t o do t hat . The cour t has no f und t o pay
17 wi t ness f ees. The publ i c def ender does but you chose
18 not t o use t he publ i c def ender .
19 MR. COUGHLI N: Wel l , t hey woul dn' t i ssue any
20 subpoenas, your Honor , and t hat br i ngs up some mor e
21 quest i ons her e.
22 Appar ent l y, on t he t hi r d - -
23 THE COURT: Okay. Let ' s go back t o what you
24 or i gi nal l y sai d. You sai d 174. 375 al l ows ser vi ce by
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1 cer t i f i ed mai l .
2 MR. COUGHLI N: Yes, si r and i t br i ngs up t he
3 quest i on - -
4 THE COURT: I t ' s not i n t her e, but 174. 375
5 t al ks about subpoena - -
6 MR. COUGHLI N: 345, I ' msor r y.
7 THE COURT: 345?
8 MR. COUGHLI N: Yeah, and t he publ i c def ender
9 ser ved a subpoena or you know, I know 305 says i t ' s
10 t he pr osecut or and t he cour t can i ssue subpoenas yet ,
11 I was pr oduced al l t hese subpoenas by t he publ i c
12 def ender t hat t hey j ust seemt o dr aw up on t hei r own
13 l et t er head, I don' t know why. They di dn' t mai l t hem
14 out . I nst ead we wander ar ound f or a year t al ki ng
15 about how we' r e goi ng t o get Ni col e Wat son ser ved.
16 Wel l , about j ust use 174. 345 and mai l i t t o her .
17 Mr . Bony and i t appear s Mr . Skau and Mr . - - I
18 don' t know about Mr . Wong but t hey keep ci t i ng t o
19 t hese ci vi l r ul es.
20 THE COURT: Si r , have you f i l ed t he
21 cer t i f i cat es of mai l i ng wi t h t he cour t ?
22 MR. COUGHLI N: I f i l ed - - I f axed somet hi ng
23 i n an at t empt t o f i l e.
24 THE COURT: Wel l , you' r e her e t oday. I t
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1 says, " I f a Subpoena i s ser ved by mai l , a Cer t i f i cat e
2 of Mai l i ng must be f i l ed wi t h t he cour t wi t hi n
3 t wo days af t er t he subpoena i s mai l ed. "
4 MR. COUGHLI N: I n t he gener al sense
5 cer t i f i cat e of mai l i ng, yes, t hat ' s t he case wi t h my
6 mot her havi ng si gned a cer t i f i cat e of mai l i ng.
7 Now, i f you' r e r ef er r i ng t o t he gr een sl i ps,
8 I guess t hat ' s cer t i f i ed mai l I ' mt hi nki ng of .
9 THE COURT: Wel l , i t has t o be ser ved by
10 r egi st er ed or cer t i f i ed mai l , r et ur n r ecei pt r equest ed
11 f r omt hat per son. I f a subpoena i s ser ved by mai l , a
12 cer t i f i cat e of t he mai l i ng must be f i l ed wi t h t he
13 cour t , t hat ' s a cer t i f i cat e of mai l i ng. The gr een
14 r ecei pt s wi l l have t o be f i l ed wi t h t he cour t
15 event ual l y on t hat day i f a per son doesn' t show up.
16 But you wi l l need t o f i l e t he cer t i f i cat e of mai l i ng
17 wi t h t he or i gi nal subpoena.
18 MR. COUGHLI N: I bel i eve t hat was done, your
19 Honor .
20 THE COURT: Downst ai r s?
21 MR. COUGHLI N: Yes, i t was f axed i n.
22 THE COURT: No. You can' t f ax i n - - I ' ve
23 been t hr ough t hi s wi t h you. I have no way of knowi ng,
24 at t hi s poi nt , i f what you ser ved t hese peopl e wi t h
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1 was a subpoena i ssued out of t hi s cour t . You' r e
2 t el l i ng me t hat you have t he embossed si gnat ur e of
3 Li ndsey Ober man on t hese subpoenas?
4 MR. COUGHLI N: On t he ones t hat have her
5 si gnat ur es, yes, t hose ar e embossed. Now, i t was my
6 under st andi ng subsequent l y t hat a subpoena was
7 cr af t ed - -
8 THE COURT: You can' t j ust copy one of t hose
9 and use i t as a subpoena.
10 MR. COUGHLI N: No, si r , i t was my
11 under st andi ng anyt hi ng el se t hat was ser ved di d not
12 have any sor t of at t empt t o hi j ack Li ndsey Ober man' s
13 si gnat ur e and t hi s cour t ' s embossi ng, i t was mor e of
14 an at t or ney i ssued subpoena I bel i eve t hat you gr ant ed
15 me t he r i ght t o do on Oct ober 22nd.
16 THE COURT: You ar e not an at t or ney r i ght
17 now, si r . Your own document s you wr ot e on t hemt hat
18 you ar e not - -
19 MR. COUGHLI N: I t hi nk t hat shows a
20 car ef ul ness on my par t .
21 THE COURT: Wel l , yes, i t ' s car ef ul ness but
22 you cannot i ssue a subpoena nor di d t hi s cour t ever
23 gi ve you aut hor i t y t o do so. I di d not gi ve you
24 aut hor i t y t o i ssue subpoenas.
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1 MR. COUGHLI N: I need t o check t he t ape of
2 t he hear i ng, your Honor , but t o some ext ent what ever
3 was ser ved al ong wi t h t he ones t hat bear Li ndsey
4 Ober man' s si gnat ur e coul d be vi ewed as expl i cat i ng
5 what i s asked f or i n t hose ones t hat do bear t he
6 embossi ng - -
7 THE COURT: Wel l , t hi s i s what I ' mgoi ng t o
8 or der you t o do, si r . I ' mgoi ng t o or der t hat you
9 f i l e wi t h t he cour t , no l at er t han t oday, any
10 subpoenas t hat you ser ved or you cl ai myou ser ved
11 t oget her wi t h t he r el evant r eason, i t can be a
12 one- page document , as t o why you bel i eve t hi s
13 par t i cul ar per son i s necessar y t o be her e f or t he
14 t r i al of a t hef t of a cel l phone.
15 MR. COUGHLI N: Your Honor , I have an
16 unbi f ur cat ed hear i ng t r i al , di sci pl i nar y panel
17 t omor r ow, i t ' s unbi f ur cat ed. I ' ve been get t i ng about
18 t wo hour s of sl eep a ni ght f or t he l ast t hr ee weeks
19 pr epar i ng f or i t .
20 Can we move t he r esponse or t he f i l i ng t hat
21 you' ve j ust or der ed unt i l t he day af t er t hi s t r i al
22 t omor r ow so t hat woul d be Thur sday?
23 THE COURT: I ' l l do Thur sday but si r , I wi l l
24 make a r ul i ng on Thur sday as t o whet her or not any of
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1 t hose peopl e need t o appear and i t wi l l be based on
2 what ever wr i t t en document at i on - -
3 MR. COUGHLI N: The scape or der s - - ar e you
4 goi ng t o r ul e on whet her t he cape or der s need t o
5 appear ?
6 THE COURT: I f t hey wer e pr oper l y ser ved.
7 He' s not r epr esent i ng t hem.
8 MR. COUGHLI N: So t hat ' s why I ' maski ng - -
9 THE COURT: Because based on t he document s
10 I ' ve seen so f ar , I have a ser i ous quest i on about who
11 you' ve subpoenaed. I f t hey wer e par t i es t o what
12 happened on t hat day, t hen yes, I wi l l al l ow you t o
13 subpoena t hem, but I want t hat i n wr i t i ng t hat t hey
14 wer e t her e on t hat day.
15 MR. COUGHLI N: No, t hat ' s not t he st andar d,
16 your Honor , i t ' s i s i t cal cul at ed t o yi el d admi ssi bl e
17 evi dence. Bei ng t her e on t hat day - -
18 THE COURT: Admi ssi bl e evi dence i s not a
19 f i ght t hat you had wi t h someone on a di f f er ent day;
20 al l r i ght ?
21 MR. COUGHLI N: Wel l , i f t her e' s a coor di nat ed
22 ef f or t t o di scr edi t me or r ui n me or make i t so t hat
23 t he Ci t y' s l i abi l i t y or muni ci pal i t i es l i abi l i t y i s
24 di st i ngui shed, I t hi nk t hat does bear .
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1 THE COURT: That mi ght bear on t he ci vi l
2 act i on you have agai nst t he Ci t y.
3 MR. COUGHLI N: I t hi nk i t bear s i n a cr i mi nal
4 mat t er .
5 THE COURT: Wel l , I don' t car e what you
6 t hi nk, si r , i t ' s what I deci de. So you wi l l f ur ni sh
7 t hat . I f you don' t f ur ni sh i t , t hen your subpoenas
8 wi l l not be honor ed.
9 MR. COUGHLI N: Yes, si r .
10 Your Honor , may I have an oppor t uni t y t o
11 pr esent ci t at i on t o aut hor i t y t o suppor t t hat poi nt
12 t hat i t i s r el evant and does bear i n t hat
13 ci r cumst ance?
14 THE COURT: Absol ut el y but I ' mnot goi ng t o
15 r ead t hr ough 100 pages, i t wi l l be one page per
16 subpoena, al l r i ght ?
17 MR. COUGHLI N: Yes, si r .
18 THE COURT: And ser ve a copy on hi mso t hose
19 t hat deal wi t h hi mwhi ch i s t he Ci t y peopl e not your
20 wi t nesses. The wi t nesses t hat wer e skat eboar der s,
21 he' s not r epr esent i ng t hem.
22 MR. COUGHLI N: Yes, si r .
23 Can we appr oach t he t opi c t hat gi ven i t ' s
24 become mat er i al r el evance of t hese di spat ch t apes
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1 bet ween R P D and t he of f i cer s and one of t he of f i cer s
2 Dur al de' s wi f e i s a di spat cher and I mean t hat ' s
3 somewhat of a conf l i ct . I ' ve not been pr ovi ded t hese
4 t apes. The publ i c def ender subpoenaed t hemon
5 Oct ober 3r d. They' ve r ef used t o pr ovi de me what was
6 pr opounded, and I bel i eve a cont i nuance of t he hear i ng
7 i t sel f mi ght be necessar y.
8 THE COURT: Ther e' s not goi ng t o be any
9 cont i nuance but si r , do you know i f t he di spat ch t apes
10 wer e ever f ur ni shed t hr ough t he publ i c def ender ?
11 MR. SKAU: I do not know t hat . What I can
12 add t o t hat di scussi on, your Honor , i s t hat t he Ci t y
13 of Reno was i mpr oper l y ser ved wi t h document s t hat di d
14 r equest a huge amount of document s t hat wer e
15 absol ut el y uni nt el l i gi bl e and way beyond any - -
16 THE COURT: What wer e t he document s t hat wer e
17 pr epar ed f or hi mt o pi ck up?
18 MR. SKAU: Yes. What we di d i s we f ound out
19 - - our of f i ce f ound out what t hi s t r i al was about , and
20 we got t he di spat ch t apes t hat wer e r el at ed t o t hat
21 under what we consi der ed a publ i c r ecor ds r equest
22 si nce t her e was def ect i ve ser vi ce of t he subpoena.
23 So we di d advi se Mr . Coughl i n t hat he coul d
24 pi ck t hose up upon payment of t he f ee f or t he copyi ng
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1 of t hemt hat i s t he nor mal publ i c r ecor ds r equest
2 pol i cy. So t hose ar e at our f r ont of f i ce. I t hi nk
3 i t ' s $107. Wi t h payment of t hat , he i s mor e t han
4 wel come t o get t hose di spat ches.
5 MR. COUGHLI N: I bel i eve t hat was r epr esent ed
6 as a subpoena f ee.
7 Your Honor , one t hi ng I woul d be r emi ss i n
8 not ment i oni ng i s t hat a Gr asi l l a Al var ez si gned a
9 wai ver of ser vi ce on t he 11t h f l oor of - - out si de I
10 bel i eve i t ' s t he I nt er nal Af f ai r s of f i ce wi t h r espect
11 t o cer t ai n subpoenas. I bel i eve t hat was f axed t o t he
12 cour t . She r epr esent ed t o me t hat she was aut hor i zed
13 t o do so.
14 THE COURT: Al l r i ght .
15 Wel l , so f ar as - - ar e t he di spat ch t apes or
16 di sks among t hose document s?
17 MR. SKAU: As I under st and i t and I di dn' t
18 pr epar e t hi s but as I under st and i t , we di d get t he
19 di spat ch t apes t hat ar e r el evant t o t hi s par t i cul ar
20 case and t hose ar e wai t i ng f or hi mt o pi ck up wi t h a
21 payment of t he cost f or t hem.
22 THE COURT: Wel l , i f I or der ed you j ust t o
23 f ur ni sh i t t o hi m- -
24 MR. SKAU: I woul d have no obj ect i on i f you
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1 do t hat , your Honor .
2 THE COURT: Okay. I ' mgoi ng t o or der t hat
3 you pi ck t hemup f r omhi m. Di d you hear me?
4 MR. COUGHLI N: Yes, si r .
5 THE COURT: And you won' t have t o pay t he
6 $107.
7 MR. COUGHLI N: And t hat ' s t he t hi r d f l oor ,
8 t he Ci t y At t or ney' s Of f i ce?
9 MR. SKAU: That ' s cor r ect , your Honor , and he
10 may ask me f or t hem. I wi l l deal wi t h hi mper sonal l y
11 about t hat .
12 I do ask f or one cl ar i f i cat i on on t he cour t ' s
13 or der r egar di ng pr oof of ser vi ce t o be f i l ed by Mr .
14 Coughl i n. You i ndi cat ed you want ed hi mt o f i l e a copy
15 of t he or t he subpoena t hat was ser ved and t he
16 r easons.
17 THE COURT: Not t he copy, t he or i gi nal
18 subpoena so I coul d ver i f y t hat i t was i ssued by t hi s
19 cour t .
20 MR. SKAU: And t he ot her t hi ng t hat I woul d
21 ask t hat you add t o t hat or der i s t hat he i ncl ude t he
22 pur por t ed met hod of ser vi ce, pr oof of ser vi ce.
23 THE COURT: Wel l , he cl ai ms i t was by
24 cer t i f i ed or r egi st er ed mai l .
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1 MR. COUGHLI N: Your Honor , I woul d j ust ask
2 t hat I not be - - have anymor e t han what i s r equi r ed
3 under t he l aw, under 174. 345 r equi r ed me her e i n t hat
4 r espect .
5 THE COURT: Wel l , si r , what i s r equi r ed i s
6 t hat you f i l e i t wi t hi n t wo days and you haven' t done
7 t hat so i t ' s def ect i ve al r eady and i f i t wasn' t ser ved
8 10 days i n advance, i t ' s def ect i ve as wel l .
9 MR. COUGHLI N: Your Honor , I bel i eve t her e i s
10 an ar gument t hat t hi s cour t ' s admi ni st r at i on has
11 r epr esent ed t o me t hat a f ax i s an or i gi nal , and I do
12 bel i eve I di d f ax i t i n wi t hi n t wo days and t hey wer e
13 mai l ed out wi t hi n 10 days.
14 THE COURT: Fi r st of al l , I do not have
15 f i l ed, wi t h t hi s cour t , an or i gi nal subpoena f r omyou
16 on anyone, not hi ng t hat was under seal of t hi s cour t
17 and t o me i f i t ' s not under seal of t he cour t , i t i s
18 not a val i d subpoena, per i od.
19 MR. COUGHLI N: Wel l , i n t hat r espect , your
20 Honor , I t hi nk I mi ght get t hemt oday and br i ng i n t he
21 embossed ones - -
22 THE COURT: You' r e not goi ng t o get any
23 embossed subpoenas at t hi s poi nt wi t hout me appr ovi ng
24 t hem.
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1 MR. COUGHLI N: I t hi nk i f i t ' s l ess t han 10
2 days - -
3 THE COURT: I ' ve or der ed t hat no one i ssue
4 any subpoenas t o you, f ur t her subpoenas unt i l I ' ve had
5 a chance t o r evi ew t hem.
6 MR. COUGHLI N: Yes, si r and even i f I had
7 got t en one t oday, i sn' t i t l ess - - t her e' s not 10 days
8 so.
9 THE COURT: Si r , you r epr esent ed t o t hi s
10 cour t t hat t he subpoenas you ser ved wer e embossed
11 subpoenas of Li ndsey Ober man, you j ust st at ed t hat .
12 MR. COUGHLI N: The ones wi t h Li ndsey
13 Ober man' s si gnat ur e, yes, t hose ar e embossed. Those
14 wer e r ecei ved f r omt hi s cour t .
15 THE COURT: Okay and so you had t hemso you
16 need t o f i l e t hemwi t h t he cour t wi t h t he Cer t i f i cat e
17 of Mai l i ng or however you ser ved t hem, i f i t ' s by mai l
18 pur suant t o t hat st at ut e or ot her wi se.
19 MR. COUGHLI N: Wher e Ms. Al var ez si gned a
20 wai ver or pr oof of ser vi ce of some sor t .
21 THE COURT: You can pr ove ot her met hods of
22 ser vi ce but you r epr esent ed i n t hi s cour t t oday t hat
23 t he pr i mar y ser vi ce t hat you accompl i shed wi t h r espect
24 t o t he Reno Mar shal s was by cer t i f i ed mai l .
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1 MR. COUGHLI N: Your Honor , I need t o
2 r epr esent t o t hi s cour t I ' moper at i ng on not much
3 sl eep. I want t o have an oppor t uni t y t o sei ze
4 document s and t hen br i ng t hemt o t he cour t - -
5 THE COURT: Wel l , si r , i t depends on what ' s
6 mor e i mpor t ant t o you at t hi s poi nt . You have your
7 document s. You br i ng t hemt o t he cour t . I don' t see
8 any r eason t hat you can' t go get t hemand br i ng t hem
9 t o t he cour t .
10 MR. COUGHLI N: I ' l l do t hat t oday, your
11 Honor .
12 I ' mj ust sayi ng i t seems as t hough you' r e
13 i ndi cat i ng t o me what I ' ve r epr esent ed t o t he cour t .
14 I woul d pr ef er t o j ust say I ' d l i ke t o go check my
15 r ecor ds and t hen pr esent somet hi ng t o t he cour t ver sus
16 st andi ng her e t oday - -
17 THE COURT: Wel l , you' r e not under oat h r i ght
18 now t oday, si r , so I ' mgi vi ng you some l at i t ude, but
19 you need t o f i l e somet hi ng wi t h t he cour t i f you want
20 any of t hese subpoenas honor ed.
21 MR. COUGHLI N: Yes, si r .
22 THE COURT: At t hi s poi nt , I ' mnot or der i ng
23 anyone t o show up. You can pi ck up t he document s t hat
24 you want ed. As t o ot her subpoenas i f peopl e show up
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1 or not , we' l l ar gue about i t at t he t r i al dat e because
2 - - whet her t hey wer e pr oper l y ser ved and i t wi l l be
3 ver y qui ck because I can l ook at i t and see i f t her e
4 was pr oper ser vi ce, I mean, ei t her a cer t i f i cat e of
5 ser vi ce f r oma t hi r d par t y aut hor i zed t o ser ve
6 subpoenas - -
7 MR. COUGHLI N: Wel l , t hat woul d be a non
8 par t y over 18, r i ght , i t doesn' t have t o be a pr ocess
9 ser ver ?
10 THE COURT: I t doesn' t have t o be a
11 pr of essi onal pr ocess ser ver but i t has t o be someone
12 we can i dent i f y and i t ' s got t o be an or i gi nal
13 af f i davi t .
14 MR. COUGHLI N: Or decl ar at i on I bel i eve.
15 THE COURT: Okay, si r , i t wi l l have t o meet
16 t he r equi r ement s of t he st at ut e and i t has t o be a
17 subpoena i ssued - - si nce you ar e not an at t or ney, i t
18 can' t be i ssued by you, i t has t o have been i ssued by
19 a j udge or t he cl er k.
20 MR. COUGHLI N: Subj ect t o t he caveat t hat i f
21 you di d or der and I got t hat audi o f r omt he
22 Oct ober 22nd hear i ng - -
23 THE COURT: That I or der ed t hat you woul d be
24 abl e t o per sonal l y i ssue a subpoena, I don' t bel i eve I
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1 di d t hat .
2 MR. COUGHLI N: I need t o r evi ew t he hear i ng,
3 your Honor . Thi s i s al l bl eedi ng over f r ommy St at e
4 Bar hear i ng t hat we' ve had t he same i ssues wi t h t hat .
5 THE COURT: I t hi nk I al l owed you t o ser ve
6 subpoenas but not you per sonal l y. I sai d you woul d - -
7 MR. COUGHLI N: You' r e sayi ng ser ved now, not
8 i ssue.
9 THE COURT: Wel l , t her e' s a huge di f f er ence,
10 si r .
11 MR. COUGHLI N: I know and a f ew seconds ago,
12 you wer e t al ki ng about I aut hor i ze you t o i ssue
13 subpoenas. I don' t bel i eve you ever aut hor i zed me t o
14 ser ve t hemper sonal l y or wai ve t he r equi r ement t hat i t
15 be a non par t y doi ng t hat , but I t hi nk - - I do bel i eve
16 you ei t her - - you at l east def er r ed t he subpoena f ees
17 due t o my i ndi gency unt i l some l at er dat e i f not wai ve
18 t hement i r el y. I have a f i r mr ecol l ect i on of t hat .
19 THE COURT: You get what ever you get i n t he
20 t r anscr i pt . You can f ur ni sh t hat t o me as wel l . You
21 don' t even have t o t ype i t out . You can r ef er t o t he
22 pl ace t hat i t appear s on t he audi o. We can get i t
23 her e but i f I ever sai d t hat , i t was a mi st ake because
24 i t was not my i nt ent t hat you woul d be abl e t o ser ve
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1 t he wor l d wi t h subpoenas t o be her e f or a t r i al whi ch
2 i nvol ves t he t hef t of a cel l phone.
3 MR. COUGHLI N: When you' r e sayi ng ser ve, your
4 Honor , ar e you r ef er r i ng t o act of ser vi ce or j ust i n
5 a gener al sense havi ng subpoenas - -
6 THE COURT: The whol e bal l of wax, si r . I ' m
7 t al ki ng about i ssui ng, ser vi ng and havi ng peopl e
8 appear , i t was never my i nt ent t hat you woul d be abl e
9 t o make t he t r i al i nt o a ci r cus, si r .
10 MR. COUGHLI N: Your Honor , I j ust wi sh t o
11 r epr esent t o t hi s cour t t he ext ent t o whi ch t hat was
12 not done pur posef ul , your Honor . Thi s has been
13 ext r emel y t r yi ng t o boi l down what i s r el evant and
14 appr opr i at e her e, and I ' mt r yi ng t o do t hat , si r , but
15 i t ' s di f f i cul t . Ther e' s an enor mous amount of
16 mat er i al .
17 I mean, t hey' r e t r yi ng t o t ake away my
18 l i cense, si r , on t he 14t h and t hen we' r e havi ng a
19 pet t y l ar ceny t r i al on t he 19t h. I mean, t her e' s a
20 l ot of bl eed over . I ' ve been ar r est ed t en t i mes t hi s
21 year and t o suggest t hat t hat ' s al l on me and t her e' s
22 no sel f i nt er est f r omt he Ci t y - -
23 THE COURT: The Ci t y i s not even a par t y t o
24 t hi s case, si r .
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1 MR. COUGHLI N: Wel l , but t hey' r e cover i ng
2 t hei r l oss mi t i gat i on.
3 THE COURT: I don' t car e i f t hey ar e, even i f
4 t hat ' s what t hi s t r i al i s about t he Ci t y set up you t o
5 st eal a cel l phone and t hen t hey deci ded t o get t hese
6 wi t nesses agai nst you and al l of t hat , t hat woul d - -
7 t hat i s not what your t r i al i s about .
8 Ar e you suggest i ng t hat somehow t he Ci t y
9 f ur ni shed you wi t h a cel l phone?
10 MR. COUGHLI N: No, si r . I ' msuggest i ng t hat
11 ever yt hi ng t hat ' s happened si nce August 20t h, I woul d
12 l i ke t o be abl e t o put on ar gument and ci t at i on t o t he
13 ext ent t hat i t ' s r el evant . I can' t have t he Ci t y
14 ar r est ed ever y ot her f i ve days and evi ct ed ever y ot her
15 f i ve days and t hen say, " Hey, Ci t y t oo bad you
16 coul dn' t pr osecut e i t because you wer e hamst r ung by
17 al l t hi s mi sconduct I di d.
18 THE COURT: Si r , I ' mgoi ng t o t el l you r i ght
19 now unl ess i t ' s r el evant , di r ect l y r el evant t o t he
20 al l eged t hef t of a cel l phone at t he skat e par k on t he
21 dat e i n quest i on, I ' mnot goi ng t o have you br i ngi ng
22 peopl e i nt o cour t . I f you want t o sue t he Ci t y f or
23 har assment what ever , t hat ' s a separ at e act i on. Thi s
24 i s a cr i mi nal pr osecut i on.
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1 MR. COUGHLI N: But t o t he ext ent t hat i t
2 bear s on my abi l i t y t o def end agai nst t hat or i t has a
3 pr ej udi ci al i mpact t her ei n or i t r epr esent s some sor t
4 of pr osecut or i al mi sconduct j ust i f yi ng a mi st r i al - -
5 THE COURT: The pr osecut or i s not t he Ci t y.
6 The pr osecut or i s t he St at e and t he count y Di st r i ct
7 At t or ney' s Of f i ce.
8 MR. COUGHLI N: I pul l ed a gr eat deal of
9 r esear ch i n t hi s r egar d wi t h r espect t o t hi s r el evancy
10 i ssue and I under st and, your Honor t her e i s a school
11 of t hought - -
12 THE COURT: Al l r i ght . Your t i me i s up, si r .
13 I ' ve gi ven you mor e t i me t han I ever was goi ng t o gi ve
14 on t hi s.
15 At t hi s poi nt , t he t empor ar y or der i s goi ng
16 t o st ay i n ef f ect unt i l you pr ovi de pr oof t o t he cour t
17 t hat t he subpoenas wer e pr oper l y i ssued, ser ved and
18 r el evant , and what you' r e seeki ng i s r el evant . Al l
19 r i ght , t hr ee par t s t o i t . Pr oper l y i ssued, number
20 one, pr oper l y ser ved, number t wo, and number t hr ee
21 t hat what you' r e subpoenai ng i s r el evant t o your case.
22 MR. COUGHLI N: Yes, si r and, your Honor , can
23 I j ust get you t he subpoenas - - i f I need t o can I
24 t ake unt i l Thur sday?
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1 THE COURT: I wi l l al l ow you unt i l Thur sday
2 t o get i t done.
3 MR. COUGHLI N: Thank you, si r .
4 THE COURT: But t hey st i l l have t o be ser ved
5 10 days i n advance i f t hey wer e done by cer t i f i ed or
6 r egi st er ed mai l , al l r i ght and - -
7 MR. COUGHLI N: So i f t hey' r e done i n per son,
8 t hey can be ser ved t he day bef or e? I need t o r ead t he
9 st at ut e f ur t her .
10 THE COURT: Wel l , I ' mnot r ul i ng on t hat at
11 t hi s poi nt , but you' r e not goi ng t o get anymor e
12 subpoenas unt i l you show me t he r el evance, al l r i ght ?
13 MR. COUGHLI N: Okay but i f I see one of t hese
14 skat eboar der s on t he st r eet and I have a non par t y who
15 can ser ve i t , can I - -
16 THE COURT: You don' t have a subpoena.
17 MR. COUGHLI N: I ' ve got subpoenas f or t he
18 skat eboar der s. They wer e i ssued by Li ndsey Ober man.
19 THE COURT: Okay.
20 I f you have subpoenas t hat ar e under seal
21 t hat wer e i ssued by t he cour t and t hen you ser ve t hem
22 and i t has t o do wi t h t hi s case, t hen we' l l deci de
23 t hat on t he dat e of t r i al i f t hey don' t show up.
24 MR. COUGHLI N: Okay. So t her e' s not a T R E
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1 i n ef f ect as t o t hat i ssue or my abi l i t y t o ef f ect uat e
2 ser vi ce her ei n.
3 THE COURT: What t her e i s i n ef f ect i s no new
4 subpoenas ar e goi ng t o be i ssued by t hi s cour t wi t hout
5 my r evi ew. I f you happen t o have subpoenas whi ch I
6 don' t know how you got t hembut i f you happen t o have
7 bl ank subpoenas t hat ar e not f i l l ed i n t hat ar e under
8 seal of t he cour t , t hen I can' t st op you f r omser vi ng
9 t hem, but t he ot her i ssue st i l l exi st s was wi t ness f ee
10 pr of f er ed and al l t hat .
11 So i f you act ual l y want somebody t o appear ,
12 t hen I woul d hand t hemt he subpoena wi t h a wi t ness f ee
13 and have i t done by a t hi r d par t y.
14 MR. COUGHLI N: Al l r i ght but I bel i eve I ' m
15 ent i t l ed t o r el y upon your r ul i ng as r ender ed on
16 Oct ober 22, 2013.
17 THE COURT: Wel l , I don' t have t he r ul i ng.
18 You haven' t pr esent ed t hat t o me yet . I f I wai ve t he
19 subpoena f ee, t hen t hat ' s a di f f er ent st or y.
20 MR. COUGHLI N: Your Honor , qui ckl y i f I coul d
21 j ust pr eser ve and make gener al l y my opposi t i on t o
22 anyt hi ng f ol l owed by Mr . Wong or Mr . Skau her e
23 par t i cul ar l y wi t h t he ext ent t o whi ch t hey' r e sayi ng
24 t hi s i s undul y pr ej udi ci al .
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1 I have a St at e Bar t r i al t omor r ow about my
2 l aw l i cense so t hi s i s pr ej udi ci al t o me wel l but I
3 j ust don' t want t hat t o go unopposed i f - -
4 THE COURT: I f what ?
5 MR. COUGHLI N: I guess i f somet hi ng doesn' t
6 get f i l ed by me wi t hi n t he 10 days I t hi nk I have t o
7 r espond t o anyt hi ng f i l ed by Mr . Skau or Mr . Wong
8 r espect i ng t hei r desi r e t o see t hese quashed. I ' d
9 l i ke t o pr esent aut hor i t y and ci t at i on and ever yt hi ng
10 i n t hat r espect but j ust not do i t on t he eve - -
11 THE COURT: Si r , t hi s or der i s goi ng t o st and
12 unt i l you pr esent somet hi ng t o t he cont r ar y. I ' m
13 gi vi ng you unt i l Thur sday t o get i t done.
14 MR. COUGHLI N: Okay, si r and t hat ' s why I
15 asked about t he T R O because i s i t t he case t hat t hat
16 or der says you can' t even t r y t o ser ve a pr oper l y
17 i ssued subpoena?
18 THE COURT: What i t says, si r , i s t hat t hey
19 r epr esent a number of Ci t y of Reno empl oyees, t hat no
20 ar gument was r ecei ved on t he mer i t s of t he mot i on.
21 The hear i ng was set f or t oday.
22 What I or der ed was t hat any subpoena not
23 pr oper l y i ssued by a cl er k or ot her wi se not pr oper l y
24 i n accor dance wi t h N R S- 174. 305 i s her eby quashed and
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1 t hat i s t he l aw, si r . Ther e' s no ar gument you can
2 make agai nst t hat .
3 MR. COUGHLI N: I t hi nk t hat ' s a f or a
4 pr osecut or . The publ i c def ender can' t even i ssue
5 t hei r own subpoenas, r i ght , yet i t ' s my under st andi ng
6 t hey do?
7 THE COURT: Wel l , an at t or ney can.
8 MR. COUGHLI N: I t hi nk i t says a pr osecut or
9 or t he cour t .
10 THE COURT: Wel l , I ' mnot ar gui ng t hat . Thi s
11 i s you. Any subpoena not pr oper l y i ssued by t he cl er k
12 or ot her wi se not pr oper l y i ssued i n accor dance wi t h
13 174. 305.
14 So you j ust need t o r ead 174. 305 and i f i t
15 was not pr oper l y i ssued, i t i s quashed. Any subpoena
16 not per sonal l y ser ved by a non par t y or ot her wi se
17 pr oper l y ser ved i n accor dance wi t h N R S- 174. 345 i s
18 her eby quashed, al l r i ght . The cour t r eser ves i t s
19 r ul i ng on any gr ounds such as r el evancy or undue
20 bur den unt i l t he hear i ng on t he mer i t s.
21 MR. COUGHLI N: I s t hat t oday?
22 THE COURT: Wel l , I ' mnot r ul i ng on t hat
23 t oday. I ' mgi vi ng you t he oppor t uni t y t o show me
24 r el evance. I ' mnot even goi ng t o l et t he Ci t y r espond
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1 t o t hat at t hi s poi nt because I j ust want t o make a
2 r ul i ng on i t . I f you convi nce me i t ' s r el evant , I
3 wi l l al l ow you t o ser ve i t but t hen you' l l have t o
4 have one dul y i ssued by t he cour t and pr oper l y ser ved
5 and t hen you' r e goi ng t o show t o me t hat you don' t
6 have t o pay wi t ness f ees or what ever pur suant t o or der
7 of t he cour t whi ch you' r e sayi ng I or der ed t hat you
8 di dn' t have t o pay wi t ness f ees and i f I di d, I wi l l
9 honor t hat f or subpoenas t hat I per sonal l y i ssue
10 because ot her wi se, t hey' r e not goi ng t o be val i d. No
11 one el se can i ssue a subpoena t hat i s val i d wi t hout
12 wi t ness f ees unl ess i t i s an or der of t he cour t and i t
13 woul d have t o be si gned by me and i ssued by me; do you
14 under st and t hat , t he di f f er ence.
15 MR. COUGHLI N: I under st and somet i mes t he
16 cour t r ender s an or der ver bal l y and i t ' s bi ndi ng.
17 Si r , Sub . 3 of your or der i s wher e I was
18 conf used because i t seems t o be sayi ng, " A pr ot ect i ve
19 or der i s her eby gr ant ed. Coughl i n shal l not her eaf t er
20 i ssue or cause t o be i ssued or ser ve or at t empt t o
21 ser ve or cause t o be any ser ved any subpoena or
22 Subpoena Duces Tecum. "
23 THE COURT: Cor r ect and t hat ' s why I ' ve gi ven
24 unt i l Thur sday f or you t o pr esent t o me any subpoenas
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1 t hat you want ser ved.
2 MR. COUGHLI N: Even ones by Li ndsey Ober man
3 or embossed by t he cour t ?
4 THE COURT: Even t hose, si r .
5 MR. COUGHLI N: Even t hose?
6 THE COURT: Yes because you' r e aski ng f or
7 ser vi ce wi t hout wi t ness f ees and wi t hout compl i ance
8 wi t h t he st at ut e.
9 MR. COUGHLI N: I bel i eve - -
10 THE COURT: Ot her wi se, t hey' r e not bi ndi ng,
11 si r . You pr esent a subpoena t o a per son wi t hout t he
12 wi t ness f ees, t hey don' t have t o show up.
13 MR. COUGHLI N: Wel l , t her e was a r ul i ng
14 r ender ed.
15 THE COURT: I t mi ght have been a r ul i ng but
16 i t wasn' t wr i t t en i n an or der and i t wasn' t pr esent ed
17 t o anyone.
18 MR. COUGHLI N: I need t o get t hat or der
19 because t he Washoe Count y Sher i f f at t hi s poi nt i s
20 sayi ng - -
21 THE COURT: Sayi ng what ?
22 MR. COUGHLI N: I need t o check my r ecor ds but
23 some peopl e ar e sayi ng, " Wel l , i f you have a wi t ness
24 f ee wai ver , t hen you need t o show us t he or der . "
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1 THE COURT: Cor r ect and i t wi l l be r i ght on
2 t he subpoena, si r , and you wi l l need t o pr esent t o me
3 a subpoena and I wi l l i ssue i t and I wi l l si gn on
4 t her e t hat i t i s val i d wi t hout ser vi ce of t he wi t ness
5 f ee, ot her wi se t he subpoena i t sel f wi l l not be
6 ef f ect i ve.
7 MR. YOUNG: Al l r i ght . Ther e' s j ust some t o
8 quest i on conf usi on wi t h r espect t o - -
9 THE COURT: Wel l , I don' t know what ' s
10 conf usi ng about t hat . The onl y conf usi on I have i s
11 whet her or not I or der ed t hat you do i t wi t hout a
12 wi t ness f ee, al l r i ght , t hat ' s t he onl y conf usi on I
13 have because ot her wi se, i t i s r equi r ed by st at ut e.
14 MR. COUGHLI N: Wi t ness f ee or subpoena f ee i n
15 t he case of a Subpoena Duces Tecum. Then t her e' s t hi s
16 i ssue of ser vi ce f ees.
17 THE COURT: Yes. Ser vi ce f ees woul d have t o
18 be speci f i cal l y or der ed t hat t hey be wai ved, t hat has
19 not been done i n t hi s case, whet her I sai d i t or al l y
20 or not . I f you' r e havi ng t he sher i f f ser ve i t - -
21 MR. COUGHLI N: No, I mean l i ke a pr ocessi ng
22 f ee or somet hi ng. Mr . Skau her e hi s of f i ce i s sayi ng
23 t hey want $80. 00.
24 THE COURT: He' s sayi ng under t he Open
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1 Meet i ng Law, t hey' r e ent i t l ed t o t he cost of t he
2 copi es.
3 MR. COUGHLI N: They' r e char gi ng me f or t hei r
4 t i me.
5 THE COURT: They' r e char gi ng you f or t he cost
6 of t he copi es.
7 MR. COUGHLI N: No. I t says i n t hei r i nvoi ce
8 i t says " Pr ocessi ng f ee" or somet hi ng. Mr . Skau make
9 a comment on t hat .
10 THE COURT: Si r , you know, t hi s i s r i di cul ous
11 ar gument . He' s al r eady sai d t hey wi l l be f ur ni shed t o
12 you wi t hout cost . So now you' r e wast i ng ever yone' s
13 t i me f or no r eason.
14 MR. COUGHLI N: But i t ' s come up i n ot her
15 ci r cumst ances and i t ' s - -
16 THE COURT: I don' t car e about ot her
17 ci r cumst ances. Thi s i s t he case.
18 Now, si r , j ust so we' r e cl ear , t her e wi l l be
19 no f ur t her subpoenas ser ved unt i l t hey' ve been i ssued
20 by me and appr oved by me. You wi l l need a st at ement
21 of r el evance and pr oof t hat t hey can be ser ved wi t hout
22 a wi t ness f ee, i f t hat ' s what you sai d I or der ed.
23 MR. COUGHLI N: Yes, si r .
24 THE COURT: And t hen I wi l l put t hat on t he
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1 subpoenas i ssued by me, i f I bel i eve i t ' s r el evant t o
2 t hi s case, and you wi l l be abl e t o pi ck t hemup. The
3 sooner you get t hemt o me, t he sooner you' l l be abl e
4 t o pi ck t hemup. I amgoi ng t o or der t hat you pr ovi de
5 copi es i n case Mr . Skau has some ar gument t hat he
6 want s t o make, but I bel i eve I can deci de i t based on
7 what you pr esent t o me, al l r i ght ?
8 MR. COUGHLI N: Yes, si r and j ust t he l ast
9 t hi ng i s t he f i l e wi t hi n t he cour t wi t hi n t wo days,
10 t hat ' s been ext ended unt i l Thur sday.
11 THE COURT: I ' mgi vi ng you unt i l Thur sday t o
12 pr esent t he pr oof t hat t hey wer e ser ved 10 days i n
13 advance by r egi st er ed or cer t i f i ed mai l wi t h t he
14 or i gi nal subpoenas showi ng t hat t hey wer e dul y i ssued
15 subpoenas.
16 MR. COUGHLI N: But t he par t of t he st at ut e
17 t hat says and wi t hi n t wo days t her eaf t er you need t o
18 f i l e wi t h t he cour t - -
19 THE COURT: I amext endi ng t hat par t .
20 MR. COUGHLI N: You sai d you ar e?
21 THE COURT: I amext endi ng t he t wo days.
22 MR. COUGHLI N: Thank you, si r . Wel l , unt i l
23 Thur sday you' r e sayi ng. You' r e ext endi ng t he t wo days
24 unt i l Thur sday, t he t wo days t o f i l e t he pr oof of t hat
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1 par t of t he st at ut e - -
2 THE COURT: You t ol d me i t was al r eady f i l ed
3 by f ax but I don' t even see t hat , si r . But I ' m
4 ext endi ng f or t wo days f or you t o f i l e a Cer t i f i cat e
5 of Mai l i ng f r omt oday whi ch woul d be Thur sday wi t h any
6 document at i on t hat you have t o i ssue subpoenas.
7 I ' ve or der ed t he cl er ks not t o i ssue any
8 subpoenas t o you wi t hout my r evi ewi ng t hem, and t he
9 onl y subpoena t hat wi l l be ef f ect i ve wi t hout a wi t ness
10 f ee wi l l be one si gned by me.
11 MR. COUGHLI N: Yes, si r .
12 THE COURT: And t hat onl y assumes number one,
13 t hat you pr ovi de me pr oof t hat I act ual l y sai d t hat
14 and i t has t o be ser ved by a t hi r d par t y i f i t ' s not
15 wi t hi n t he t en days.
16 MR. COUGHLI N: Yes, si r , and i f I can j ust
17 pr eser ve - - t he cour t has sanct uar y ar gument wi t h
18 r espect t o any ser vi ce.
19 THE COURT: The cour t has sanct uar y - -
20 THE WI TNESS: Wel l , i t ' s my under st andi ng I
21 came her e t oday t o somewhat cont est t he not i ce and
22 ser vi ce of t he or der f or t hi s hear i ng or t he mot i on
23 and i t seems as t hough i t ' s pur por t ed t hat I ' mbei ng
24 ser ved because I ' mher e and t he cour t house sanct uar y
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1 doct r i ne says - -
2 THE COURT: Si r , you know what , I ' mt el l i ng
3 you even i f you wer en' t ser ved, you coul d show up f or
4 t r i al and I ' mnot goi ng t o honor t he subpoenas, i f
5 t hey wer en' t val i d, even i f he hadn' t f i l ed a mot i on;
6 under st ood?
7 MR. COUGHLI N: Yes, si r , your Honor .
8 THE COURT: So t he mot i on i s al most
9 i r r el evant t o t he ext ent t hat you ser ved an i nval i d
10 subpoena or i nval i dl y ser ved a val i d subpoena, t hi s
11 cour t i s not goi ng t o or der t hat i t be honor ed.
12 So i f you expect peopl e t o show up f or your
13 t r i al , t hen i t ' s i n your i nt er est t o make sur e t hey' r e
14 pr oper l y ser ved. I ndependent of hi s havi ng f i l ed a
15 mot i on, I had al r eady l ooked at t hese because you
16 at t empt ed t o f i l e t hemwi t h t he cour t , and you had
17 l oose document s t hat ar e f axed i n f r omyou on 11/ 7.
18 Ther e ar e - - t her e' s a number of pages. I t ol d t hem
19 not t o f i l e t hemwi t h t he cour t because t hey wer en' t
20 val i dl y f i l ed. You need t o have t he document at i on t o
21 suppor t t hese and we have a f ax whi ch was f i l ed on
22 11/ 7, 13 pages.
23 MR. COUGHLI N: Does t hat have - -
24 THE COURT: What you di d say, si r ?
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1 MR. COUGHLI N: Wel l , I ' mj ust wonder i ng i f
2 t hat ' s t he one t hat has Mar y Bar ker , my mot her her
3 si gnat ur e on t hem.
4 THE COURT: Wel l , some of i t has Mar y Bar ker
5 and some have ot her peopl e.
6 MR. COUGHLI N: And I t hi nk t he ones t hat have
7 Mar y Bar ker on t hemar e essent i al l y t he ones t hat wer e
8 cr af t ed based on what I see t he publ i c def ender
9 sendi ng out and t hose woul d not be t he ones embossed
10 wi t h Li ndsey Ober man' s - -
11 THE COURT: Wel l , t hey say " Suspended
12 At t or ney. " So you ar e not an at t or ney so you can' t
13 i ssue a subpoena.
14 MR. COUGHLI N: Unl ess t hi s cour t r ul ed I
15 coul d on Oct ober 22nd.
16 THE COURT: I coul dn' t r ul e t hat because t hat
17 woul d be i l l egal , si r .
18 MR. COUGHLI N: But you can r ul e on he' s
19 aut hor i zed t o ser ve me by e- mai l not i ce of t hi s
20 hear i ng.
21 THE COURT: I sai d, " I n addi t i on t o r egul ar
22 ser vi ce, I want you t o send hi ma copy of by e- mai l . "
23 I di dn' t say he was aut hor i zed t o ser ve you by e- mai l .
24 MR. COUGHLI N: Wel l , t hat ' s what he
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1 r epr esent ed t o me i n hi s e- mai l .
2 THE COURT: Wel l , what i t says her e i n t he
3 or der i s, " Counsel f r omt he Ci t y At t or ney' s Of f i ce i s
4 di r ect ed t o pr ompt l y at t empt t o ser ve a copy of t hi s
5 or der by per sonal ser vi ce wi t h a copy mai l ed t o sai d
6 addr ess. Ser vi ce shoul d al so be at t empt ed by e- mai l . "
7 Al l r i ght ?
8 MR. COUGHLI N: " Mr . Coughl i n, pl ease be
9 advi sed t hat J ess Sef er r ezza aut hor i zed ser vi ce upon
10 you by e- mai l . Accor di ngl y, aut hor i zed ser vi ce has
11 al r eady been ef f ect ed, " t hat secur ed my at t endance at
12 t hi s hear i ng t oday.
13 THE COURT: Wel l , t hat ' s good i t di d because
14 ot her wi se, you woul dn' t have been her e and you
15 woul dn' t have been abl e t o ar gue anyt hi ng and I woul d
16 have j ust made t hi s a per manent or der .
17 MR. COUGHLI N: So coul d I secur e wi t nesses'
18 at t endance by e- mai l i ng t hemsayi ng wel l t he same
19 t hi ng?
20 THE COURT: How i s a wi t ness goi ng t o at t end
21 i t i f he doesn' t show up, si r ? I f you don' t want t o
22 ar gue, I ' l l wi pe out ever yt hi ng you sai d t oday and
23 we' l l t r eat i t as t hough you di dn' t show up. The
24 t empor ar y or der wi l l si mpl y st ay i n ef f ect unt i l t he
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1 t r i al i f you pr ef er t hat .
2 MR. COUGHLI N: I woul d j ust l i ke t o pr eser ve
3 f or t he appeal my obj ect i on t o t he ext ent t hat - -
4 THE COURT: You' r e done. You' ve pr eser ved
5 ever yt hi ng you' r e goi ng t o pr eser ve.
6 MR. COUGHLI N: Wel l - -
7 THE COURT: Si r , you' r e done.
8 Okay. We ar e cont i nued f or t he t r i al as set ,
9 Mr . Coughl i n. You have unt i l Thur sday t o f i l e wi t h me
10 any document s t hat you wi sh t o f i l e.
11 MR. COUGHLI N: Yes, si r .
12 THE COURT: But I wi l l not i ssue any mor e
13 subpoenas unt i l I see pr oof t o sat i sf y me t hat t hey
14 ar e r el evant , pr oof t hat I di d i n f act st at e i n cour t
15 t hat you coul d ser ve wi t hout wi t ness f ees and f ur t her
16 pr oof as t o t hose you' ve al r eady ser ved t hat t hey wer e
17 pr oper l y ser ved and i ssued by t he cour t or t he cl er k.
18 Wel l , i t ' s t he cour t , cl er k of t he cour t or t he j udge.
19 Al l r i ght . You al l have a good day.
20 MR. COUGHLI N: Thank you, si r .
21 ( Wher eupon t he pr oceedi ngs wer e concl uded. )
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2 STATE OF NEVADA )
3 ) Ss.
4 COUNTY OF WASHOE )
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7 I , GAI L R. WI LLSEY, a not ar y publ i c i n and
8 f or t he Count y of Washoe, St at e of Nevada, do her eby
9 cer t i f y:
10 That I was pr ovi ded a CD and t hat sai d CD
11 was t r anscr i bed by me, a Cer t i f i ed Shor t hand Repor t er ,
12 i n t he mat t er ent i t l ed her ei n;
13 That sai d t r anscr i pt whi ch appear s
14 her ei nbef or e was t aken i n st enot ype not es by me f r om
15 t he CD and t her eaf t er t r anscr i bed i nt o t ypewr i t i ng as
16 her ei n appear s t o t he best of my knowl edge, ski l l and
17 abi l i t y and i s a t r ue r ecor d t her eof .
18
19
20 ____________________
21 GAI L R. WI LLSEY, CSR #359
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