guys, anyway suggestion to improve the irs900d performance?

i've used the original irs900d with some extra caps bypass but still sticking to the original tl071, cd4049, ir2110 but with irfb5615 and 20uh i got these at the output: at the mosfet gate:

at the inductor input:

initial testing done at +-30V using uf4007 and 1n4148. gate resistor is 10ohm. the amp plays fine without distorting but just wondering if the result i'm getting is optimal?

12th September 2012, 06:12 PM exflaco diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2005

#2522 Manojtm ,of course talking about

Location: Santa Fe

woofer amp

12th September 2012, 07:24 PM Touho-serkku diyAudio Member Join Date: Dec 2006

#2523 [QUOTE=paskal9;3162236]guys, anyway suggestion to improve the irs900d performance? i've used the original irs900d with some extra caps bypass but still sticking to the original tl071, cd4049, ir2110 but with irfb5615 and 20uh i got these at the output: at the mosfet gate: Look at the gate drive's supply, measure first the largest spurious swing at the gate pin of the FET. Then select cer-cap to comply resosnance frequency. Then take new curves. And now the largest again, put that MLCC in between driver power supply pin and previously chosen cap. 3 different is enough. you increase efficiency many %!!! and that serial res, lower that to 3R or so...

12th September 2012, 08:22 PM Quote: Pafi diyAudio Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Budapest

#2524

Originally Posted by paskal9 guys, anyway suggestion to improve the irs900d performance? [...] the amp plays fine without distorting but just wondering if the result i'm getting is optimal? Dead time seems to be very high (400/200 ns), this leads to distortion, however feedback tries to compensate it. P.S. Nice to see someone who does measurements, and posts it! Last edited by Pafi; 12th September 2012 at 08:25 PM.

13th Septembe r 2012,

#2525

02:01 AM paskal9 diyAudio Member first of all guys, i'm not formally educated in electronics so please bear with me. use simple english if you can. still learning here. Quote: Originally Posted by Touho-serkku Look at the gate drive's supply, measure first the largest spurious swing at the gate pin of the FET. Then select cer-cap to comply resosnance frequency. Then take new curves. And now the largest again, put that MLCC in between driver power supply pin and previously chosen cap. 3 different is enough. you increase efficiency many %!!! and that serial res, lower that to 3R or so...

Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: the tropics for the most part, i have no idea what i'm supposed to do (refer above). with 97% changed the gate resistor to 3 ohm and the results are posted below. humidity Quote:

Originally Posted by Pafi Dead time seems to be very high (400/200 ns), this leads to distortion, however feedback tries to compensate it. P.S. Nice to see someone who does measurements, and posts it! most people don't have access to a scope so it's quite hard to measure anything and for those that do, you guys could be quite intimidating. so it's much easier to just keep quiet and just browse through any idea on how to optimize the dead time? anyway here's the irs900d schematic that i'm using: the component values are correct and used for this measurement.

measurement points:

point A: (removed 100k feedback resistor, ir2110 and mosfet just in case). feed 1khz sine.

point B: (removed 100k feedback resistor, ir2110 and mosfet just in case). feed 1khz

sine.

point C: no input signal. amp is idle.

point D: no input signal. amp is idle.

IRF5615: 150V, 35A, 0.039ohm rds(on), gate charge 26nc (typ)/40nc (max), trr 80ns (typ)/120ns (max), qrr 312nc (typ)/468nc (max) targeted implementation as a subwoofer amp. will be bridging them and feeded with balanced signal from minidsp. target operational voltage is at +-63V. target load is a 4ohm subwoofer with around 1200w or so peak power. the amp would only be seeing <150Hz signal.

13th September 2012, 03:41 AM Do you have isolated probes? CPX diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location:

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13th September 2012, 04:13 AM paskal9 diyAudio Member Quote: Originally Posted by CPX Do you have isolated probes?

#2527

i don't. though i could try and ask around for it. issit important to have one? Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: the tropics with 97% humidity

13th September 2012, 10:11 AM don2007ksa diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: ksa

#2528 Hi,paskal9 does by not changing the RSS(8k2) will not affect the whole circuit?cause you're using /+30,for your initial test. i think 8k2 is for -/+ 90v please correct me if i'm wrong.thank's.

13th September 2012, 10:55 AM paskal9 diyAudio Member Quote:

#2529

Originally Posted by don2007ksa Hi,paskal9 does by not changing the RSS(8k2) will not affect the whole circuit?cause you're using /+30,for your initial test. i think 8k2 is for -/+ 90v please correct me if i'm wrong.thank's. Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: the tropics with 97% humidity supposedly, yes. but i measured at the TL071 rail and got 4.5V something from using 4.7V zener. so i assumed that the TL071 still get enough voltage for it to work.

13th September 2012, 12:09 PM manojtm diyAudio Member Quote:

#2530

Dead time seems to be very high (400/200 ns), Join Date: Aug 2008 Hi Pafi how you say that 400/200 ns . picture shows 12.14ns (1st picture at the mosfet gate) Hi paskal9, did you use NE5534 instead of TLO71 Regards Manoj

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