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Minutes of the November 28, 2006 Meeting

of the Plumbing Code Advisory Committee

The meeting was called to order at 9:00 a.m., on November 28, 2006, at the Department of Labor
and Industry, St, Paul, Minnesota.

Present were: Randy Ellingboe, Thomas LeClair, Larry Justin, James Gander, Tim McQuillan,
Dan Hauck, John Parizek, Pat Ellingson, Brian Borich, Loren Kohnen, Tim Urista, Cathy Tran,
and James Peterson

Agenda for the meeting:

1. Introductions
2. Distribution of materials – email and US Mail
3. Minutes of October 25, 2006, meeting
4. Requests for Action
a. Brad Forester, American Ductile Iron
b. Kevin Crouch, Spears, CPVC Corrosive Waste Drainage Piping System
c. David Ash, Noveon, CPVC pipe and fittings for water service and distribution
d. Victor Hines, Charlotte ChemDrainTM system
5. DLI proposed rule revisions (if time permits)
6. Questions/discussions
7. Next meeting, January 3, 2007

After introductions, and discussion of the agenda, there was a brief discussion of the method to
be used by the committee for approving products. It was agreed that Committee Members could
vote at the meetings, but will submit their completed Request for Action Checklist indicating
their vote for record, with in 3 days of the meeting in an addressed, envelope provided by the
Department (it was noted that the checklists could be submitted electronically). It was also noted
that only members at the meeting would have their votes recorded.

Minutes of October 25, 2006, meeting

The Minutes of the October 25, 2006 meeting were reviewed and approved as written.

Requests for Action: New Material Standards

There were 3 new material standards proposed for inclusion into the Minnesota Plumbing Code,
Minnesota Rules, Chapter 4715, as follows.

American Ductile Iron

Brian Forester, and Christopher Glassing from American Ductile Iron Pipe requested a change
and additions to the Minnesota Plumbing Code to reflect a change in standards and to allow use
of Ductile Iron pipe and fittings. The code changes requested were to Minnesota Rule, parts

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• 4715.0420, as a separate material description for ease of identification, or revising as

standards as necessary.
• 4715.0510 Water Distribution,
• 4715.5700 Soil and Waste Piping Underground or Where embedded,
• 4715.0580 Soil and Waste Piping Above Ground, and
• 4715.0805, Push on Joints.

There were questions to the presenter about the geometry of the fittings, as there is a lack of
drainage pattern fittings. It was the consensus of the committee that the use of non-drainage
pattern fittings would not be allowed. Department staff did look at fitting patterns referenced in
AWWA C110, and found that ¼ bends do fall in the pattern range of Long Sweep Cast Iron ¼
bends and Long Pattern drainage elbows for screwed piping. There were also questions on
Appendix F for a Wye pattern fitting -- it was noted by the presenter that this may have been
addressed in the new standards. The presenter will check on the revised standard.

A motion was made and seconded to accept the recommendations in the Request for Action.
Additional comments were then heard from Tom LeClair about the lack of drainage pattern
fittings when used in a drainage system, and about the lining used in the product in drainage
installation, and it was noted that the proposal reflected use for interior sanitary installations and
water service, not exterior drainage. The presenters had further clarified that the intent of their
request was primarily to seek acceptance for uses in exterior storm and sanitary sewer drainage
piping.

James Gander offered a friendly amendment to the request to move the request forward, that staff
remove the requested actions for the interior drain, waste, and vent system from sections of the
Minnesota Rules, part 4715.0550 through 4715.0600 and draft proposed rule language with
supporting SONARS for the exterior storm and sanitary sewer drainage piping for future review
and consideration by the committee.

Motion passed as amended.

Noveon CPVC Water Distribution Pipe and Fittings

Mike Lipke, Dave Ash, and Tina Massel from Noveon requested the addition of CPVC pipe and
fittings manufactured to ASTM F439, ASTM 441, and ASTM F442, to the Minnesota Plumbing
Code, Minnesota Rule, parts

• 4715.0420 Materials,
• 4715.0510 Water Service Pipe, and
• 4715.0520 Water Distribution pipe.
This material is to be installed in accordance with ASTM D2774.

Motion was made and seconded to move this request to staff to draft rule language for future
committee review.

Motion passed.

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CPVC Special Waste Pipe and Fittings

Kevin Crouch representing Spears Manufacturing, and Vic Hines representing Charlotte Pipe
and Foundry requested the addition of CPVC pipe and fittings manufactured to IAPMO IGC
210, to the Minnesota Rules, parts

• 4715.0420 Materials, and

• 4715.0610 Special Waste.

The underground installation of this material is to be installed in accordance with ASTM

standard D2321.

There were discussions about aboveground installation as it relates to this material complying
with the 35-foot limitation rule on expansion and contraction of thermoplastic pipe. It was
agreed among the members to be consistent with the current requirement by limiting the
horizontal piping not to exceed 35 feet in total length and stacks may not exceed 35 feet in total
height unless an approved expansion and contraction joint is installed at intervals not to exceed
35 feet as required by thermoplastic pipe.

James Gander also requested clarification of Minnesota Rules, part 4715.0610 A, regarding the
languages that states, “Use of any other materials must be approved by the administrative
authority, who shall grant approval if the applicant can show that the material in question is as
resistant to corrosion as are those listed above.” He indicated that this language is already
covered under Minnesota Rules, part 4715.0330, for alternative material, and is redundant. Staff
will review this provision and make proposed changes as necessary.

Motion was made and seconded to move this request to staff to draft rule language for later
committee review.

Motion passed

DLI proposed rule revisions

Department of Labor and Industry staff presented a number of proposals for change to Minnesota
Rules, Chapter 4715, as attached. These items were approved as noted in the attachment.

Questions/discussions

There was discussion about holding the Committee meetings for a full day, to allow a better use
of time by members who travel from outside the metro area. Randy Ellingboe will be checking
into the use of the meeting room for 8 hour sessions for the January meetings.

Meeting adjourned.

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Respectfully Submitted,

James H. Peterson, Secretary

Plumbing Code Advisory Committee

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STAFF CODE REVISIONS AS APPROVED IN 11/28/06 PCAC

MEETING*

4715.0100, Subp. 71. Main. "Main" means the principle principal pipe artery to which branches
may be connected.

SONAR: 4715.0100, Subp. 71. Main. This section is amended to correct a spelling error. The
word principle is changed to principal.

4715.0100, Subp. 117. Vent pipe. "Vent pipe" means any pipe provided to ventilate a building
drainage system and to prevent trap syphonage siphonage and back pressure.

SONAR: 4715.0100, Subp 117. Vent pipe. This section is amended for spelling consistency
within the rule. The spelling of the word syphonage is changed to siphonage.

4715.0530 BUILDING SEWERS.

The following materials may be used for gravity building sewers:
A. Cast Iron 1A and 1B and fittings and Hubless Cast Iron 1K.
B. Cast Iron 1C and 1D with 1E fittings.
C. Asbestos cement 5A and 5C and fittings laid on a continuous granular bed.
D. Clay pipe and fittings 5E laid on a continuous granular bed.
E. Concrete pipe 5K in yard areas and not under permanent streets, laid on a continuous
granular bed.
F. Concrete 5M and 5N and fittings.
G. Plastic 6A, 6B(1), 6B(3), 6C(1), 6C(2), and 6C(3) and corresponding fittings must be
laid on a continuous granular bed. Installation must comply with ASTM D2321.
H. Bituminized-fiber drain and sewer pipe 5O, laid on a continuous granular bed.
I. Fiberglass pipe 7A for pressure sewers. Installation must be in accordance with the
manufacturer's requirements, recommendations, and guidelines.

SONAR: 4715.0530 BUILDING SEWERS. This section is amended to clarify that the
approved materials listed in this section are intended for gravity sewers only. Most of the
materials in this section are not rated for pressurized applications, and are therefore unsuitable
for pressurized sewers. Pressurized sewer materials are not currently listed in the Minnesota
Plumbing Code, but are considered alternate materials under Minnesota Rules, part 4715.0330.

* NOTE: Upon further review following the November 28 meeting, DLI staff noted that item I
lists an approved material for pressurized sewers. Accordingly, the proposed revision to this
section will require further modification and review at a future Plumbing Code Advisory
Committee Meeting.

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4715.0540 STORM WATER AND YARD DRAINAGE (OUTSIDE FOUNDATION

WALLS).
For gravity storm water and yard drainage outside foundation walls the following materials may
be used:
A. those materials specified in part 4715.0530;
B. corrugated, aluminized steel 2F. This material may not be used in any area requiring
testing in accordance with part 4715.2820. Installation must comply with ASTM A798;
C. corrugated high density polyethylene 6C(4) and approved joints. Installation must
comply with ASTM D2321; and
D. corrugated plastic 6B(5). Installation must comply with ASTM D2321.

SONAR: 4715.0540 STORM WATER AND YARD DRAINAGE (OUTSIDE FOUNDATION

WALLS). This section is amended to clarify that the approved materials listed in this section
are intended for gravity sewers only. Most of the materials in this section are not rated for
pressurized applications, and are therefore unsuitable for pressurized sewers. Pressurized sewer
materials are not currently listed in the Minnesota Plumbing Code, but are considered alternate
materials under Minnesota Rules, part 4715.0330.

* NOTE: Upon further review following the November 28 meeting, DLI staff noted that item I
in Minnesota Rules part 4715.0530 lists an approved material for pressurized sewers.
Accordingly, the proposed revision to this section will require further modification and review at
a future Plumbing Code Advisory Committee Meeting.

4715.1380, Subp.2 Shower waste outlet. Waste outlets, other than those in bathtubs, serving
a single shower shall be at least 1-1/2 inches in diameter and have removable strainers not less
than three inches in diameter having strainer openings not less than one-fourth inch in minimum
dimension. Waste outlets shall be securely fastened to the waste pipe making a watertight
connection thereto. Waste outlets serving showers, except single-head showers, must be at least
two inches in diameter and must have removable strainers not less than three inches in diameter.
Where each shower space is not provided with an individual waste outlet, the waste outlet must
be located and the floor pitched so that the water from one shower does not flow over the floor
area serving another shower. The floor and waste outlet design must not require a shower user to
stand in or walk across the wastewater flowing from another shower space.

SONAR: 4715.1380, Subp. 2. Shower waste outlet. This section is amended to further clarify
the 1994 revision to this section regarding construction of shower spaces serving multiple users.
The intent of the 1994 revision and this revision is to preclude shower users from being required
to stand in or walk through the wastewater flow from another shower space. The current rule
requires that the floor slope and waste outlet locations preclude wastewater from one shower
space from flowing into another shower space. Therefore, the current rule does not prohibit a
floor and waste outlet design which would require a user to walk through the wastewater from
one shower space to reach another shower space.

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4715.2420, Subpart 1. General prohibitions. No fittings having a hub in the direction opposite
to flow, or straight tee branch shall be used as a drainage fitting. No fitting or connection which
has an enlargement chamber or recess with a ledge or shoulder, or reduction in pipe area shall be
used. No manhole may be used to join drainage piping within a building. No drainage or vent
piping shall be drilled, tapped, or welded unless otherwise permitted by the administrative
authority. Fittings used for back-to-back, wall outlet, blowout type water closet bowls shall have
a baffle plate or other device to prevent the waste water from one water closet from entering the
opposite water closet. No fixture connection shall be made to a closet bend. No running threads,
bands, or saddles shall be used. The short pattern fitting in a horizontal position is prohibited in
underground work.

SONAR: 4715.2420, Subpart 1. General prohibitions. This section is amended to prohibit the
use of manholes to join drainage piping inside a building. The rule currently prohibits an
enlargement chamber and reduction in pipe area. This amendment is consistent with that
requirement.

4715.2430 BUILDING DRAINS BELOW BUILDING SEWER. Building Only drains which
cannot be discharged to the sewer by gravity flow shall discharge into an approved watertight,
gas-tight vented sump or receiving tank, so located as to receive the sewage or wastes by gravity.
From such sump or receiving tank the sewage or other liquid wastes shall be lifted and
discharged into the building gravity drain by approved automatic pumping equipment. The
system or drainage piping entering such sump shall be installed and vented as required in this
section for a gravity system.

SONAR: 4715.2430 BUILDING DRAINS BELOW BUILDING SEWER. This section is

amended in title and text to clarify that only drains that cannot discharge to the sewer by gravity
may discharge to a sump. The word building is removed, changing the reference to drain in the
definitions section of the code, which includes any pipe carrying waste water or waterborne
waste in the drainage system. For those drains where a gravity connection to the sewer is
possible but impractical, a pumped system may be acceptable under Minnesota Rules, part
4715.0320, subpart 3.