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Text and Translation: 132c-133a
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"Of something that is, or of something that is not?"ll c
"Of something that is."
"Is it not of some one thing which that thought thinks as appertaining
to all cases, by being some single idea?"
"Yes."
"Then will nor rh is thing that is thought to be one-and always the
same with respect to all cases-be a Form?"
"Th . "
at seems necessary, agaIn.
"And what about this?" said Parmenides. "Given the necessity by which
you say the other things partake of rhe Forms, do you think that each
thing is composed of thoughts and all things think, or that, although
they are thoughts, they are unthinking?"',.
"But that, too, is nor reasonable, Parmenides," he said. "No, what seems d
most likely to me is this: these Forms are like patterns set in nature, and
the other things resemble them and are likenesses [replicas] of them.
For the other things, this partaking of rhe Forms turns out to be no
different than being likened to them."
"Then if something resembles the Form," Parmenides said, "can that
Form not be like what has been likened to it, to the extent that the
thing has been made like it? Or, rather, is there any device by which
'the like' is not like irs like?"
"No, there is not."
"And must not of necessity 'the like' partake of one and the same e
Form, as its like?"
"It must."
"And will that in which 'the like' are [made] like by participation, not
be the Form itselP."
"Certainly."
"Therefore, nothing can be like the Form, nor the Form like anyrhing
else:" Otherwise, another Form will always appear alongside the Form,
and if that Form is [also] like anything, yet another [will appear]; and 133
a new Form will never cease coming to be, if the Form comes to be
like that which partakes of it."
33 ef. Parmenides B8.16.
34 The adjective dnoetos can be interpreted either as 'unthinking' or as 'unthought',
depending on its form-real, potential. active, or passive, respectively.
35 An argument for the 'metaphysical bookend', which cannot be vet another
book. See Hermann, "Above Being" (work in progress) for detai'ls.
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Text and Translation: 133a-d
93
"Very true."
''And so. if it is not by [way of] likeness that the other things partake
of the Forms. then we must seek some other [way] by which they
partake." 36
"So ir seems.
"You see then, Socrates," he said, "how great the difficulty is if one
singles out the Forms as things by themselves?"
"Certainly, I do."
"Be well aware." he said, "that you have not yet grasped, if I may say b
so, how great the difflculty is, if you postulate a single Form every time
you make a distinction between each of the 'things that are'."
"How so?" he asked.
"There are many other difflculties as well." Parmenides said. "but the
greatest one is this: if someone were to say that the Forms-such as
we claim they must be-are not even fit to be known. one would be
unable to prove him wrong, unless the disputer happened to be widely
experienced and not unintelligent. and also willing to follow the proof
through numerous remote arguments. Otherwise. the person who
requires that they be unknowable would remain unconvinced." c
"How so. Parmenides?" Socrates asked .
"Because, Socrates. I believe that you or anyone else who postulates
for each thing some [sort of] being. itselfby itself. would agree, first of
all, that none of these is in us."
"For [if it were.] how could it then still be itself by itself?" said Socrates .
"Well said," replied Parmenides. ''And so those Forms. which are what
they are in relation to one another. have their being in relation to them- d
selves, but not in relation to the likenesses that are amongst us-or
as whatever one may establish them-and by partaking of which we
come to be named after them. And these things amongst us. though
they bear the same names as the Forms. are in turn what they are in
relation to themselves. but not in relation to the Forms; and again,
they receive their names after themselves and not after the Forms."
"What do you mean?" Socrates asked.
36 Is 'likeness' here suggestive of an inferior epistemological approach. as is
suggested by the Parmenidean Doxa, i.e .. nO[ truth but an approximation of
[futh?
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Text and Translation: 133d-134c
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"For instance," said Parmenides, "if one of us is someone's master or
slave, he is certainly not a slave of 'master' itself-of what it is to be
master-nor is the master a master of ' slave' itself-of what it is to be
slave. Rather, being a human being, it is of a human being that he is e
both [Le., master or slavel. Yet 'mastery' itself is what it is in relation to
'slavery' itself; likewise, 'slavery' itself is slavery in relation to 'mastery'
itself. But the things amongst us do not have their capacity in relation
to the Forms, nor do these have theirs in relation to us, bur, as ] say,
the Forms are what they are of themselves and in relation to them-
selves, and, in the same fashion, the things amongst us are what they 134
are in relation to themselves. Or don't you understand what] mean?"
"Certainly," Socrates said, "1 understand."
"So, too, knowledge itself," he said. "Wouldn't what it is to be knowl-
edge be knowledge of that which is truth itself?"
"Indeed."
"And, in turn, each particular item of knowledge that is, would be
knowledge of some particular thing that is. Or not?"
"Yes."
"But wouldn't the knowledge amongst us be of the truth that is amongst
us? And again, wouldn't each particular knowledge amongst us be b
knowledge of each of the particular things amongst us?"
"Necessarily."
as you agree, we neither possess the Forms themselves, nor can
they be amongst us."
"N h " 0, t ey cannot.
':And the Kinds themselves, what each of them is, are known somehow
by the Form itself of' knowledge'?"
"Yes."
"Which we do not possess."
"No, we do not."
"Then none of the Forms is known by us, since we do not partake of
'knowledge' itself."
"It seems not,"
"So 'the beautiful' itself, as it is, and 'the good', and, indeed, any of the c
things we consider to be ideals" in themselves, are for us unknowable."
"] am afraid so."
37 The word ideas is here rendered as 'ideal' in the sense of 'idea or archetype'
(see the definition of ' ideal', Oxford English Dictiona>y. A La, and its Platonic
connotation), in the belief that it comes closest to what Plato had in mind.
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Text and Translation: 134c-135b
"Now consider something even more dreadful than this."
"What is it?"
97
"You would admit, somehow, that if in fact there is such a Kind as
' knowledge' itself, it is much more exact than the knowledge amongst
us. And likewise with ' beauty' and all the rest."
"Yes,"
"So, if anything else partakes of knowledge itself, wouldn'r you admit
that God more than anyone else possesses the most exact knowledge?"
"Necessarily."
"Then again, will God, who possesses 'knowledge' irself, be able to d
know the things that are amongst us?"
"Yes. why not?"
"Because," Parmenides said, "we have agreed, Socrates, that neither
do those Forms have their capacity in relation to things amongst us,
nor do the things amongst us have theirs in relation to the Forms, but
each of the two Kinds [has it] in relation to itself."
"Y: d'd " es, we I agree.
"Well, if this most exact mastery itself and this mOSt exact knowledge
itself belong to the divine, then their [i.e., the gods] mastery could
never master us, nor their knowledge know us nor anything else that is e
amongst us. Just as we do not rule over them by the rule that is amongst
us, nor know anything of the divine by means of our knowledge, so
they, in turn, by [he same reasoning, are neither our masters, nor, being
gods, do they know human affairs."
"But surely," he said, "if God is to be deprived of knowing, our argu-
ment would be too strange."
"And yet, Socrates," said Parmenides, "rhese difficulties are necessarily
involved in rhe Forms, and still many more besides them-if these are 135
the concepts for the 'th i ngs that are' and someone delimits each Form
as 'something by itself. T hus. whoever hears about them is confounded
and disputes whether they exist, or that, even if rhey do indeed exist,
they must necessarily be unknowable to human nature. In saying this,
he seems to be saying something [reasonable], and thus, as we have
just said, he will be extremely diffkulr to persuade otherwise. Only
an ingenious man will be able to understand thar for each thing there b
is some Kind, a being itself by irself, but only someone even more
remarkable will be able to discover it and teach it to another who has
[already] thoroughly examined all these difficulties."
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" KexL X.CXAWC; y', " Ecp"tJ ... oE xcxL 't'OOE E't'(. 1tpOC; 't'ou't't:J 7to('ELV,
(J.TJ f1.ovov EO''t'(.V e:X(XO''t'OV u1to't'(.De/-LEvOv O'X01te:'iv 't'OC EX
"C"ijc; U1tODeO'EOOC;, &AAOC xexL (.Ly) EO''t'(. "Co exu't'o 't'oO't'o u1to't'LDEO'SCX(', e:i
l-'iiAAOV YUI-'VIXC1&'ijVIXL."
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41 ",an BT.
42 "'T) Shc B: ","8' on T.
Text and Translation: 135b-136a
99
"I agree with you, Parmenides," Socrates said. "What you say reflects
very much what I think."
"But, on the other hand, Socrates," said Parmenides, "if instead some-
one, fixing his attenrion on all the present issues and others of the same
kind, will not concede that there are Forms of 'the things that are',
and will not define a Form for each one [of them], he will not have
anything to turn his thought to, since he won't allow that for each of c
'the things that are', there is a concept that is always the same. And by
doing this he will completely destroy the power of discourse. But you
seem to me to have perceived that quite well."
"What you say is true," Socrates said.
"What, then, will you do about philosophy? Where will you turn, if
these things remain unknown to you?"
"At the moment, I don't seem to see at all."
"Socrates, that is because you are trying to define prematurely what is
'beautiful', and 'just' and 'good', and each one of the Forms," he said,
"before you are properly trained. I realized that the other day too, when
I heard you conversing with Aristoteles here. Be assured, the impulse d
you bring to discourse is noble and divine. But train yourself while you
are still young; drag yourself through what is commonly considered
useless, which most call idle talk. Otherwise, the truth will escape you."
"What manner of training is that, Parmenides?" he said.
"The one you heard Zeno practice," he replied. "Except for this: you
told Zeno something that delighted me very much, that you would not e
allow inquiry to wander around the visible things, nor be about them,
but be about those things one could apprehend best by reasoning, and
could regard as Forms."
"It seems to me," Socrates said, "that in this way, it is not at all difficult
to show that [visible] things are both like and unlike, and affected in
any other way whatsoever."
"You are quite right," Parmenides answered, "but in addition to that,
you must also do this: examine the consequences of each hypothesis- 136
that is, not only hypothesize' if a thing is' but also' if that same thing
is not'-if you want to be trained more thoroughly."
"What do you mean?" he said.
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Text and Translation: 136a-c 101
"Take, if you like," Parmenides said, "Zeno's hypothesis, according
to which' if ir is many','.I whar consequences ensue both for rhe many
in relation to rhemselves, and in relation to the one, and for rhe one
in relation ro itself, and in relation to the many. And conversely, 'if it
is not many', you must again examine whar consequences follow for
both rhe one and rhe many, in relation to rhemselves and in relation
to each other. And again, should you suppose, 'if it is like'" or 'if it is
not [like]', what will rhe consequences be for either of our hypotheses:
both for whar we have hypothesized, and for the others, both in rela-
tion to themselves and in relation to each other.
The same apptoach" appertains to 'unlike' and ro 'motion' and to 'rest' b
and to 'generation and corruption' and even ro 'being' irself and 'not
being'. In shorr, for wharever you hyporhesize as being or not being,'"
and as subjected to any other qualification;' you must examine the
consequences [that will follow] in relation to itself and in relation to
each and everyone of the others-whichever you may choose-and
in relation to more than one, and in relation to all in the same way. c
In rum, you must examine the others, both in relation to themselves,
43 We have here the same ph rase e:i. 7to).).ci EcrTL as in 128d. le is ofren translated
as "if chere are many" but could also be rendered as "if (things) are many,"
or "if(somcrhing) is many," or, what seems moS[ likely in (hi s comext, "if
(the object of inquiry) is many." As appealing as "if there are many" might
seem to us today, it creates an inconsistency with other passages (e.g., 128b,
128d) where we had [0 translate the phrase as "if it is many"-the "it"
referring back to Socrates' claim (I 28<1) that Parmcnides says with "the all
is one" in his poems. Thus, we are assuming that here (136a) Parmenides
is referring to the same Zenonian hyporhesis introduced earlier. The "it,"
therefore, can stand for "'rhe all," as well as for the "one," if the Zenonian
proposition is meant [0 debunk [he notion of" it being many," as part of
an :Hl empl [0 defend Parmenides. MO$[ likely, the "it" in "i f it is many"
refers [Q "rhe one." It is also the "one" that is positioned as counterparr of
"the m;my" throughout the exercise ment ioned above. Sce also Gill, Plato:
Parlllcnides, 139n21.
44 To be consistent, the same rendering must be followed here as well: El.
oy.mo't'YJ; = "ifit is like," insread of "if likeness is."
45 The use of logos here seems akin to its use in Parmenides' Poem (e.g., B8.50),
namely, as an ordered and sysremalic 'account', a 'way', 'procedure', or 'method',
46 Cf. Parmenides B8. 15- 16.
47 For example. the simata of Parmenides B8.2-6.
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102 Plato's Parmenides
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XO:'1:1]AtXOU1:'P' <iyvooOO'tv yocp at 1tOAAO' 81:t <lVEU OtOC
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nui}oowpov, O:U1:0', 'rE OtO'i}o:t 1:00 no:pfJ-v[oou Xo:, 1:0V 'AptO'1:01:EA1]
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no:pfJ-v[01]v' " o:vocYX1]," cpocvo:t, " 1tdi}O'i}o:t. XO:[ 1:Ot OOXW fJ-Ot 1:0 1:00
L7t7tOU 1tE1tOv.f}eVocl., {fl iXe:LVOC; OC.aAlj't'n Ov't'l.
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wv et.; 't'ov e:pW't'Cl te:vcx.t xciyw p..ot Soxw
fJ-OCAO: XP-f) 1:1]Atx6vo ono: OtO:VOO'o:t 1:ow01:0V 1: XO:,
1:00'001:0V 1tEAo:yo,8 My."J' 01: OL yocp E1ttO-f) XO:[,
48 1tEAo:.yor; Stephanus (fr. Ficinus), and Proclus seems to have had this reading:
1tAijl)o, BT.
Text and Translation: 136c-137a
103
and to anything else you may choose, whether what you have hypoth-
esized you assume as being or not being. All this you must do, if, after
completing your training, you are to discern the truth with authority."
"You speak of an impossible undertaking, Parmenides," Socrates said,
"and I don't quite understand it. Why don't you go through it for me by
hypothesizing something yourself. so that I may comprehend it better?"
"That is a big task to assign to a man of my age, Socrates," he said.
"Well then, what about you, Zeno?" said Socrates. "Why don't you go d
thtough it for us?"
And Pythodorus said that Zeno replied, laughing, "Let us ask this
of Parmenides himself, Socrates. For this is not a light matter that he
speaks of. Or don't you see how great the task is that you are assigning?
Indeed, if there were more of US present, it would not be proper to ask
him-it is not suitable, especially at his age, ro speak of such matters
when many are present. For most do not know that unless we go through e
a comprehensive and circuitous inquity9 we cannot encountet [what
is] true and achieve insight. And so, Patmenides, I join Socrates in this
request, so that] too may listen to your teaching, after all this time."
Antiphon said that Pythodorus told him that when Zeno had said
this, he toO, along with Aristoteles and the others, asked Parmenides
to demonstrate what he meant and not to refuse. Then Parmenides
said: "] must comply. Bur I feel like I am suffering what Ibycus' horse
suffered, that old fighter, who, at the start of a chariot race, trembled
from past experience at what was to come. Comparing himself to the 137
horse, the poet claims that he too, unwillingly, and being so aged, is
being compelled to enter the contests of Love. Thinking back, I roo,
seem to feel very afraid of how to traverse at my age such a dangerous
and vast sea of arguments. All the same, ] must oblige you, especially
since, as Zeno says, we are amongst ourselves."
49 Cf. Parmenides BS: the circuitous journey of his Goddess' approach, as
opposed to the aimless wandering of stupefied mortals in 86.
b
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50 0 Bekker: 6 BT.
Text and Translation: 137b-c
"Well, then, where shall we start? What shall we hypothesize first? b
Since we have determined to play this laborious game, I shall begin
with myself and my own hypothesis, hypothesizing about 'the one'
itself, whether it is one or not one, and the consequences that must
follow [in each case].'I"
"By all means," said Zeno .
"Then who will answer me?" he asked. "The youngest, perhaps? For
he would waste the least time, and would be the most likely to reply as
he thinks; meanwhile, his answer would allow me to catch my breath."
''I'm ready to do that for you, Parmenides," Aristoteles said. "For you c
speak of me when you speak of the youngest. Ask, then, and I shall
" answer.
51 Cf. 128b, 128d, and 137c. See also nore 9. There have been suggestions to
emend the text (e:L't'E: EV Ecrnv d't'E ev) to "if one is, or if one is not" in
order to avoid conflicts with the aU-too-common reading that the Second
Pact delves only into the question of the one's existence or nonexistence. Yct
such a reading ignores the possibility that the Second Part is exploring the
differences between a oneness itself-by-itself. versus a relational onc. However,
that is precisely the kind of examination Socrates demands in 129d-130a.
Particularly, Socrates is most interested by the interweaving of Intelligibles
(Forms), not some merely existential proving (BOa, ef. also 135e). At issue
are the consequences that follow from "the one's" availability or unavailability
to partake and be partaken in, or generally (with a view [Q the Sophist), [Q
be intertwined with. However, the attempt to emend 137h4-5, and thus to
cast an existential spin on all the main hypotheses of the Second Part, can-
not work, as it severs the connection between crucial passages. and results
in inconsistencies. The sense preserved in 137b4-5 is in some way related to
that expressed in 128b. E'J ... TO itliv, which states that "the all is one"
and not "the one much less "the one exists as all." The only difference
here is that this time around, the subject is not specified as "all" hut. as the
text states, "the one itself" (EVOC; !7.:tJ"t'ou).
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52 OAOU B: !J.e:po:; OAOU T.
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Text and Translation: 137c-d
107
FIRST ARGUMENT
"Well then," said Parmenides, "'if it is one'," would not the one be
something other than the many?"
- "How could it be [many]?"
PARTS/WHOLE
"Then, there must not be a part of it, nor can it be a whole."
-"Why?"
"For a part is presumably a part of a whole."
-"Yes,"
"But what is the whole? Wouldn't that from which no part is missing
be a whole?"
- "Certainly."
"In both cases, then, the one would consist of parts, since it would be
whole and would have parts."
- "Necessarily."
"[n that way, in borh cases the one would be many, rather than one."
-"True." cl
"Yet it must not be many, but one."
- "It must."
"Thus, if the one is to be one, it will neither be a whole nor have parts."
- "No, ir won't."
LIMITED/UNLIMITED
"Then, if it has no part, it would neither have a beginning, nor an end,
nor a middle, for these kind of things would be parts of it."
53 "Onc" (ev) can also be translated as Oneness, or Unity. For "if it is one," as
above, compare also Gill, Plato: Parmenides, 141, and also Kahn, chapter
on the Parmmidrs (a work in progress on Plato's later dialogues). However, EL
ev ecrnv here has also been rranslated as "if there is one," "if the one exists,"
and "if one is" (compare with 142b), and some scholars consider the wording
sufficiently ambiguous to allow both versions. Yet if we compare other passages
that mention hen as object ofi nquiry (for example 128b. but especially 128d
and 137b). it becomes clear that the hypothesis in Argument I should be taken
not in an existential sense but in a predicative one, in contrast ro Argument
II and its hypotheSiS "if one is" (ev d e<1't'1.'J), which, as the Argument shows.
focuses on results of the existential inrerrwining between Onc and Being.
See also Gill, Plato: Parmenides, 65ff., for a lengrhy discussion of the issue.
Compare also note 9.
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55 p.r;'C'iXEf. Produs: P.E't&ZOf. BT.
56 tVe:L'tJ Hcindorf: IX'I e'l e:L'tJ B: IX eL'tJ T.
57 tctlJT4'l B: !:ctlJ'to T, Proclus.
58 ctlJ'tO Diels: ocu'to BT, Proclus.
Text and Translation: 137d-138b
- "Quite righr."
"Furthermore. 'end' and 'beginning' are the limit of each thing."
- "How could they not be>"
109
"Therefore, if the one has neither beginning nor end. it is limitless."
-"Yes."
NO SHAPE
"And consequently, it is without shape; for it partakes in neither round
nor straight."
- "How so?" e
"For the round is presumably that whose extremities are everywhere
equidistant from its center."
- "Yes."
"And straight is that of which the middle stands in between both
.. .,
extremities.
- "So it is."
"So the one would have parts and be many, if it were to partake in
either a straight or a round shape."
- "Certainly."
"Therefore, it is neither straight nor round, since it has no parts either." 138
- "Correcr."
NEITHER IN ITSELF, NOR IN ANOTHER-NOWHERE
"Furthermore. being of such a kind, it would be nowhere, because it
would be neither in another nor in itself."
- "How so?"
"If it were in another, it would presumably be surrounded all around
by that in which it would be contained, and it would be in contact
with this thing in many places with many parts. But since it is one
and without parts, and since it does not partake of all-aroundness, it
cannot possibly be in contact all around in many different places."
- "It could not."
"Yet, conversely, ifit were in itself, what contains it would be no differ-
ent than itself, if indeed it were in itself, for it is impossible for a thing b
to be in something that does not contain it."
- "Impossible indeed."
"So the comainer itself would be one thing, and the contained another,
because the same thing as a whole will not be able both to undergo
c
d
IIO
Plato's Parmenides
. OUKOUV ('TEpaV a.v Tt et"fj 1:0 TCEptiXOV. E"C'EPO'V oe: 'TO
TCEptEXOf.LEVOV QU yap 0)..0'1 ye 'tCl.trco'l &!J.OC xoo. 1tot-f}a:l.:
xo:L OUT&> TO EV DUX. iv eX'f} E't'{. EV <1:).) ..0: ouo,"
, , '? ..
. OU ylXp ouv.
.. Qlix a.poc iO'TLv TCOU 'to EV. f.Ll}TE EV e:o:u't't:> ev EVOV."
.. DUX EO''t'tV.''
.. "Oper. exov d oIbv 'rE EO''t't.V EG-rcXVIXL ij xl.vdaDoct,"
.. "('t. yocp au; ..
.. O't[. XtVOUf.LEv6v ye')') t:pipm:ro it OCAAOtot-ro &''1' Cll)''C'a.L ya:p !J.OVcu.
x.Lv1joet.C;.'
.. vo:."
.. OCt..AOLOU/-lEVOV OE "['0 V OCU"COU c1:0UVIX't'O'J 1tOU EV E't'f. dVClt."
.. a.ouvo::ro\l."
.. aux tipoc Y..a:r' cXAAOLCM1LV ye Y..t.VEt't'(xL."
.. QU CP!l.tVE'TClL."
.. OCAA' a.poc tpEpe:a.socr.; ..
.. raw;."
.. xocL fL-trol EL cpipm:ro 'to EJ.l]'t'Ot EV cttJ'r0 a.v 7tEptcpipOl.:ro
!,-<"ClXAAocnoL Xc:,plXV hiW'J hiplXt;."
.. civciyxYj."
,. OUx.ou'J 1tEptcpEpO!J.EVOV :1tt cX.vocyx"1J. xc>:t
"CIX It<P' "Co !'-EC10V 'l'<P0!'-EVlX OCAAlX flip" EXm elXu"CoO. cjJ 8E: !'-1]"C< !,-iC1ou
!'-1]"< !,-EPWV "CLt; !'-"tJXlX'J-I] "C00"C0 lto"C' elt, "CoO !,-iC1ou
"
.. OU8E/-L[CX."
.. <XAAIX 8-1] Xc:,plXV OCAAO"C' OCAI.oIlL yLyv<uc XlX' OU"C'" XLvd"ClXL; "
.. Et1te:p yE 81)."
u ouxoOv dvclt Jl.EV 1tOU E'J "t'tVt ciSuvc>:"t'o'J icpO:.v1): ..
.. 'loci.. ..
, n '.
U c>:p OU'I YLYVE(J'\JOCl E't"t ocouva:t'W't"EpOV;
59 y. b, Proclus al.: TE BT. Stob.eus.
60 81": ClU"t'O vulg.
Text and Translation: 138b-d 1lI
and to act at the same time. And so the one would no longer be one
but two."
- "It would not."
"Therefore the one is not anywhere, neither in itself nor in another."
- "It is not."
MOTION/REST
"If this is the case, consider then whether it can be at rest or in motion."61
- "Yes, why not?"
"Because if it were in motion it would either change place or alter its
character, since these are the only motions."("
- "Yes."
"But it is impossible fat the one to alter itself and still be somehow one." c
- "Impossible."
"So it does not move by altering its character."
- "Apparently not."
"But by changing place?"
- "Perhaps."
''And yet if the one moved spatially, then it would either revolve around
itself or change from one place to another."
- "Necessarily."
"Well, if it revolves around itself, it must be poised in the center, and
have other parrs of itself revulving around the center. But by what d
means can that, of which it is not firr ing to have either center or parrs,
revolve around the ccnrer?"
- "There is no way."
"But by changing place, does it come to be here at one time and there
at another, and thus move?"
- "If it moves at all."
"Was it not shown that it is impossible for it to be anywhere in
anything?"
- "Yes it was."
"Then it is even more impossible for it to come to be?"
- "I do not understand how."
61 Whenever appears in relation to stasis we have opted to translate it as
'motion'. Whenever it appears CO point at a different state than 'morion' or
'rest', we have preserved the more generic sense of kinisis, namely 'change'.
62 er. Parmenides B8.41.
112
Plato's Parmenides
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, " ., , I '" "l "
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iyytyv6!J.EVOV, J,J.1}-r' En ix.e:L'JOU 7tOCv'C'cl7to:.aLv. e:L1tEp iyyLYVE'trJ.t: "
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EXOV l-'-ep"fJ DUX otov n: TrOU EO''t'tX.t. 'tP01t'l> ouae:vt OAO') OC!-,-IX p;/j'tE ev'toc:;
", , I .. r ..
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ocauvoc"hopov iyy[yvoer&oc[ 1tOU, [J.1)'o XOC"CI" [J.1)To l<OCT<X I5Aov
139 iYYLYVO[J.ovov;
.. cpOCLVE,,-(lt. ...
.. ou't" TrOt. l.O\l XCXL EV yt.YVOfJ.EVOV xwpoc'J riA)..ci."t''t'EL. OtJ-r' EV 't'0
oc,)T0 1tEpL<pEPO[J.oVOv OUTE ocAAoLou[J.0VOV."
.. aux EOl.:X.e:V."
.. KCl't'O:. 1ttiO'Cxv XLV"fjO'f.V 'to EV cbd.v"fj't'ov."
.. ax.tvYjToV."
.. ciA).oc fJ-l]V Kat e:tVClL yi tpOCP.EV .v 't'(.V(. a.u-ro a8uvoc'('ov."
.. ,!,oc[J.E:V yrxp."
ou8' ocpoc 1to't'E iv 't'4i ocu't'4i E(]''t'(.V.''
" 't'L 8i); "
.. O't'(. (Xv (,'01 EXEtV!p et"lj. EV 't'!l cxv't'c{l ;(],"'C('V."
" 1tcXVU f.LEv OUv."
'v ' . ." v , v,\ '\ 'f' <t - ('\"
b .. aAA OU"'CE '01 EOCU"'C!p ou'('e E'J 01.0'1 'rE "fj'J EVELVIXL . .
.. ou yocp OOv."
.. OU8E7tO't"E ocpoc ia't"L 'to EV EV (XU't(!>."
., OUX eOLXEV:'
" cX:AAa. 'to ye f.Lr,8bto't'E EV 't'c{l DV OU't'E OCyEL ou,o.'
EO't"ljXEV."
OU yocp oIov 't'E."
.. '['0 EV lipt'{. EO('Y..V. ouS' EO't'y,XEV ou-re X('VEt't'IXL."
v , , "
.. ouxouv <pocLVe,ocL yo.
63 e'.l,dVlXL b: EV BT.
Text and Translation: 138d-139b 11}
"If something comes to be in somerhing, isn't ir necessary thar ir not
yer be in that something-as it is srill coming to be in it-but neither
rhar it is still entirely outside of that something if it is already coming
[0 be in it?"
- "Necessarily."
"So if anything is to undergo rh is [type of change], only thar which has e
parts could undergo it. because some part of it would already be in it,
and at the same time some orher part of it would be outside. But it is
impossible for that which has no parts to be somehow simultaneously
either wholly inside or ourside something."
-"True."
"And isn't it srill more impossible for that which neither has parts nor
happens to be a whole to come to be in somerhing anywhere, since it
can come to be in it neither as a part nor as a whole?"
- ''Apparently.''
"Therefore, it does not change its place either by going somewhere,
nor coming to be in something, nor by revolving in the same place, 139
nor by altering its character."
- "Apparently not."
"Then the one is immovable in regard to any kind of change/motion."'"
- "It is immovable."
"And yet we also say that it is impossible for it to be in anything."
- "We say so."
"Then it is [also] never in 'the same'."
- "Why is that?"
"Because then it would already be in thar same in which it is."
- "Certainly."
"But it was impossible for it to be either in itself or in another."'"
- "Indeed."
"So. the onc is never in the same." b
- ''Apparently not."
"But that which is never in the same is neither still nor at resr."
- "No. Le cannot be either."
uThe one, then, as it seems. is neither at rest nor in motion:'
- "No, apparently not."
64 This being the summary of the observations of 139al, both 'change' and
'motion' apply.
65 Two lessons here: and JUri wc have chosen
c
d
114
Plato's Parmenides
.. OuSe: f.1:i)v 'tCXlJ'tO\' ye: ouS' OUTe: a-t(X.t.. ou8' (XV E'tEPOV
." ..
Qu'tE: exu't'ou QUTE E'tEpOU GoV Etl).
" IT7J- ..
, ."... " ......" pi "
.. E't'EpOV I-liv 7tOU E!XU"roG QV EVOc; E:'t'EpOV ocv E{,.'"fj XClt. CUY.. OC'J Et"t] E'V.
"a:).
l'jv'l , .. " "
,. xext 't'ClU'tOV ye: QV Exetvo Civ dl). cttr'C'o 0 OUY.. Cl" Et."tJ' wO''te:
ouo' a,v d1J 07tEP cJ'nv, ev. OCAA' E'tEPOV
, , , ,."
ou ylXp OUV.
.. 't'cxu'to'J !J.E:V eXpel E't'EpOV EClU'tOU aux EO''COCt. ...
.. ou yeip,"
., 'l! ,,'" ,I , r' porrny.Et. E'dn/'\
"E-t:EPOV OE yE E-repOU OUX .er-rIXL, ew.:; IXV 'n ev. OU '(IXP eve IT _.,. n-
't't.VOc; dvcxt.. clAAcX. E't'EpOU, OE ouoe:vL"
..
" T4i fJ.tV a.pex E\I dva,t. QUY. 0''t'Cl.1.. 'tEpOV' OtEt.; .,
.. QU O'Il't'cx."
.. ! ..... et. f-l-1) 'tOUT':>. OUX eIXu't'ti> ecr"Coct.. E:i. Oe: fli) OUOe: cx.U-rO
IXI)-ra f.L"'lOlXflfi QV E-rEPOV O,;OEVa<; "ernL E-t:EPOV."
.. op&wC;."
.. ou8e: EO''to:t,''
.. 1tWC; 8' OU: ..
.' 1 t '66 ,.... OU"
.. OUX l)1tP VOC; CPUO'tC;. CX,U't""fJ O"fJ1tOU Xo:t. -rOU 'CO:U't ,
.. 'tL ..
.. chI. oUx., E1tEtOOCV 't'OCU'tov yv"fJ't'ocL 'tt., EV YLY'JE'tlXt,"
.. cXAArt cL fL-fJv; ..
, I I 3- 'AA"
.. -roi:, ITOA}.Oi:, -r1X,;-rav '(EVOflEVOV ITOAAIX IXVIX'(Xl) yLyvEer IXL. IX OUX
tv."
"'A S-"
<X. 1). , " ,
.. aAA' d TO EV xa.t TO T!1U'tOV tr'l0Ct.f.L-n utO:<pepEt. 01to-re: Tt TtXU't'OV
iytyv't'O. ciEL cl ... EV iyLyve:-ro. x.a.t OrrOT i .... "C':J.u-r:ov."
66 ClV-ril Proclus: ClU'O) B: au't"lj T.
Text and Translation: 139b-d
115
SAME/DIFFERENT
"Further. the one cannot be the same either as another or as itself, and.
again. it would not be different either from itself or from another."
- "How so?"
"If it were somehow different from itself it would be different from
'one', and it would not be one,"
-"True,"
"Yet. if it were the same as anorher, ir would be thar other, and it c
would not be itself. Therefore, in rh is way it would not be jusr what it
is-one-but would be orher rhan one."
"Q' " - une so.
"Accordingly, ir will nor be rhe same as anorher nor different from irself."
- "No, it will not."
"Nor will it be different than another, as long as ir is one. For it is nor
fitting for the one (Q be other than something else, but only for [what
is] 'other' to be other than something else. and for nothing else."
-"Right."
"Consequently, the one will not be different by being one; or what do
you think?"
- "Of course not."
"But. if it is not [different] for this reason, then it will not be [different]
by being irself, and if not [different] by being itself, it will itself not be
[different]. And if it is by no means different from anything. it will be d
different from nothing."
"Th . h "
- ats ng t.
"Nor will it be the same as itself."
-"Why nor?"
"The very nature of the one is certainly not also that of the same."
-"Why?"
"Because a thing does not become one whenever it comes to be the
same as something."
-UButwhy?"
"That which comes to be the same as the many must come to be many.
not one,"
_ uTrue."
"But if the one and the same do not differ in any way, whenever
something came to be the same, it would always come to be one, and
whenever it came to be one. [it would always come to be] the same."
c
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116
Plato's Parmenides
.. rccl',1U ye,"
.. El cipa: 'to EV e!Xu'ti;> 'tCXt)'{OV EeJ't'C1t., OUX EV eaTa.t. Y.ClC. Oth-Cl) '1
QV oUx. E'J EG'tCl[. !XAAfl TOU'tO yE ti8uvClTov' cl:OU\lc(''C'ov <XPil. xcxL
E:VL E:'t'EPOU ETEpOV e:l'J<Xt. 't'a:trrov."
.. ciOVVCXTOV."
.. Ol.h'w 81j ETEp6v ye 't'OCtl't'ov 't'o EV OUT' OCV OUT' exv Et"fj."
.. OU ycx.p cuv."
.. Ouoe: op.at.av 't'LVL a'tOCL OUO' OCV0f.10f.QV ouf}'eCluT<i> ouB-
.. TL Si); ..
.. o'n 'rO -rClU'tOV 1tOU 01-'-0[,0\1,"
.. vexL"
.. 'tou Si ye: EVOC; XUlpL; icp6:,'/l') cpUCTt.V "t'O 't'ocU'tOV."
.. ErpcXV1j yeip."
.. oc)..).. J.L1)'J El Tt 1tE1tovD 'tOU EV Elvat. 'to tv. rrAe:tw 0:'1 elv(X(.
nE1tovDoL iJ ev. 'tOUTO Se ciOUVI1:'CO'l.H
.. vaL"
G't't.v ocpoc -rOCt)''COV e:Lval. 't'O EV OLJ-r'g ouD'
OCUT4)."
.. ou tpC):[VETc):t.."
.. ouoE o(J-ot.ov ocpa: ouvo:'t'ov O:UTO dvoct. aUTE iAt.tp outr ECXU-rtil ..
.. aux EOt.Y..EV."
.. ouoE E-re:p6v ye: rcE1toVSe:V e:LwJ:[' -ro EV' KClt ya.p athw itAdw ocv
1tE7to'lDot. Eivcx[. iJ EV."
,. 7t)...'''' y<xp."
.. 't'O yE E"Ce:pOV 1tE1tOVSO; ij EOCU't'OU 1j tX.AAOU cb6(J-ot.ov OCV ELl) ij eocu"(4)
ij a.AAf{J. Etrcep 1'0 't'ClU't'O\l 1te:7tovSO; op.ot.Qv."
..
.. 't'o oi yE EV. Eot.KEV, E't'EPOV cXVOfLOt.ov
gaTt.v ouS'
.. QU yOC? OOv."
.. OU't'E cipo: oihe cXvop.ot.ov ouD' E't'Pf{J OU't'E E:OCU-r4) a.v gL-i) -ro EV,"
Text and Translation: 139d-140b
117
- "Of course,n
"Accordingly. if the one will be the same as itself. it will not be one
with itself. and thus. being one it will not be one. But this is impos-
sible. Thus. it is impossible for the onc to be other than the other. or
to be the same as itself."
- "Yes. that is impossible."
"Thus. the one can neither be different than nor the same as itself or
another."
- "Indeed, ir cannot."
LIKE/UNLIKE
"Furthermore. it will be neither like nor unlike anything. whether in
regard to itself or to another."
- "Why?"
"Because 'the like' is that which is affected somehow in the same way."
-"Yes."
"But it was shown that the same is guite separate in nature from the
..
one,
- "Yes, this was shown,"
"But if the one is affected by anything apart from being one. it would
be so affected as to be more than onc. and that is impossible."
-"Yes,"
"Therefore. by no means can the one be affected so as to be the same.
either as another or as itself."
- "Apparently not."
"Conseguently. it cannot be like another or itself."
- "It seems not."
"Nor can the one be affected so as to be different. for in this way it
would be so affected as to be more than one."
- "Yes, more than one,"
"Surely. that which is affected in a different way than itself or another
would be unlike itself or another. if indeed what is affected in the
same way is like."
"R' h "
- 19 t.
"But the one. as it seems, since in no way can it be affected as being
different. is in no way unlike itself or another."
- "It is not."
"Conseguently. the one can be neither like nor unlike either another
or itself"
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1I8
Plato's Parmenides
.. QU tpcx.l.VE't'CXt."
.. KocL 't'Of.Oll't"OV yE QV OU't'E taD\, QV"!'E ocvtaov EO'TOCt. QU't'E
OUTE a.AACJ,l."
.. 1tj); "
" , ... _ , _ , " , '14" "'1 "
.. LaD\' fiEV OV 't"wv a.U't'WV f.LE'tpWV EO'"t':;{t EY..ELV<:l CJ,l a;v taQV TJ
.... nx.L"
Si 1tOU <Aocnov QV. 0', fL1:v 50'1 TW" fLE:V
i:.Aoc,,6wN 1tAd", fLiTpoc TWV 81: i:.Atl"w,"
vocL."
.. or, S' 50'1 cruflfL<Tpov. TWV fLEv crflLY.pOTipwv. TWV S1: fLOTPWV
EO''t'Cl(.,''
.. 1tWC; ya:p ou; ..
.. OUY-QU", &:Suva:rov 1'0 !J.E't'EXOV "CoO !Xv"rou (J.E"CP(iN -r;w" cdrt'b:N e1V(7.[.
a.AAWV WV't'!.VWVOUV 'twv ocu't'wv; ..
.. ciSu\lCf.'t'ov."
.. raov !-LEv lipoc OU't" a:v ErJ.u't'0 OU1'E a.AACJ,l e:L1J 'toov ocu-rwv !J.t-rpwv Ov."
"othwuv tpaVE't'o:.l. YE."
"ciAA&: !J.';rJ ;CAe:t.OVWV yE !J.E't'PW'J QV 0" EAa,l"'COVOOV. OO'WV1tEP !J.e""CPW'J.
TOO'QU't'oov ){tXt !J.EpWV !Xv eLl]' XO:L ou't'w; cxu OUK'n EV Eo"t!xL. eXAA&'
't'OGOCU't'oc OGOCitEP X!lL 't'oc (J-E't'pa:."
" opth7l;."
.. E[ Si yE EVOC; p,E:'t'pou Et"lj. to'OV av Y[YVOL't'O 't'ou't'O OE
"i 67"""
ClOUVOC't'OV EcpCXVlj. f.aOV !lU't'O ELVCXL.
.. EcpftVlj yftp."
" " t" ''' ...... v ' .... I "
OU't'E ClpOC EVO!; tJ.'t'pOU OU't'E; 1[OI'\.I\WV OUTE Ol\!.ywv, OUTE 't'O
1tOCpftTrOCV 't'ou ocv't'OU !J.ETix.ov, OUTE 1tO't'E, WC; Em.xEv, tG't'!l!. rao',
Qu't'e ouD' Cl\) ouoE EAClT't'O'l OU't'E E!lU't'OU OU't'E t't'epou."
.. ' '"''''
1tOC"'t'OC1tOCO't. OUV ou't'W.
Text and Translation: 140b-d
119
- "So it seems."
EQUAL/UNEQUAL
"Furthermore:. being such. it will be neither equal nor unequal to itself
or to another.
-"Why?"
"Being equal, it will be of the same measures as that to which it is equal."
-"Yes,"
"And being somehow larger or smaller in regard to things with which
it would be commensurate. it will have more measures tha n those that
are smaller. and fewer than those that are larger." c
- "Yes."
"And. in regard to things with which it is not commensurate. it will be
of smaller measures in the one case, and of larger measures in the other."
- "Of course."
"So. is it not impossible for what does not partake of sameness to either
be of the same measures or possess any other characteristics that are
the same, whacsoever?"
- "It is impossible."
"Therefore, it would not be equal either to itself or to another. if it is
not of the same measures."
- "Apparemly nor."
"But whether it is of more measures or smaller, it would consist of just
as many parrs as of measures. And thus, again, it will no longer be one d
but will be JUSt as many as its measures."
- "Right."
"But. if it were of one measure. it would come to be equal to that mea-
sure; yet it was shown to be impossible that it be equal to anything."
- "Yes, this was shown."
"Therefore, since it does not partake of either one measure or many or
few, nor does it partake at all of what is same, it will, as it seems, never
be equal to itself or another. Nor again will it be greater or less either
than itself or than another."
- "Absolutely so."
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120
Plato's Parmenides
.. Tt oi; vE,irt"Epov EXE'V ,0 EV
80xd 't'':l(,f! OU'Joc't'ov dVOCL; "
.. ,l 0-1] ov; "
.. o"n. ']tou (LE:V 't'-fJv EXOV ocu"t'0 OCAAtp tao"n}"roc;
Xpovou XOCL O/-LOLO't'1}'t'OC; 6lV E:Aiyo!J.EV ou 't'0 k.'y[, QUO'
o(J.Oto't'"fJ't'o:;; OU"CE t.cro-rl)'t'oc;."
" EAiyo[.LEV yocp 00'1,"
.. !l:;r'J XOCL o't't &vo!J.Qw't'"fJ't'OC; 't'E xo:i ou !-LE'tEXE!.. XOCl.
,oiho eAiyoI-'EV."
..' \ ..."
7tOCVU !LEV QU\!,
.. 00\1 0[6\1 't'E eO''t'c(!. 1; VEW-re:pOV el'JOCL 't'-fJv
CltJ"C1jV -fJAI..XtOCV EXEt'J "CO(.QU't'OV QV; "
" ouooc(J.wC;."
.. aux. ap' OC\l ELl) Ve6l't'EpoV ye: QuSe: ouoe: LT!") -ijAtXtOCV
EXav "Ca EV ou-rE OClrc'<!) QU't'E rJJI.A':l."
.. ou CPOCtVE"COCI.."
.. ap' 00\1 ouoe: ev 1:'0 1tOCPOC1tOCV OUVOCI.'t" iiv eLvoct. 'to v, Et. 't'otOU-cOV
EL7j: aux. OCVOCYX"f), iocv Tt EV XpO'J6!, lid o:.u't'o I1U't'OU
ylyvEal}",,; "
livocyx1)."
" ouxoOv ,A yE lid vE""ipou "
.. ,l "
" 't'o EI1U't'OU ytYVO!J-EVOV xo:!. VEOO't'EPOV EI1U't'OU OC!J-11
ylyvE't""'" Et7tEP l-'iAAEC EXE'V O,OU
.. "
" @8E o""popov e't"Epov E't"ipou ouo1:v OEC ylyvEal}"" f,0"1J OV,O, o'''''Popou.
,00 I-'Ev f,0"1J ono:; f,0"1J EtV"'" ,00 01: YEYOVO,O:; yEyo'liv"'" ,00 01:
!J-EAAEtV, 't'OU oe ytYVO!J.EVOU OU't'E YEyovevocL oiJ-re: !J-EAAEL'J
OU't'E dVI1L 1tW Otoccpopov, OCAAOC yLyve:a&ocL XI1L oux e:iVc(L."
" civocyx1] yocp."
.. I-'-I]v ,A yE O'''''POPO'"1J:; VEOl't"ipou Ea" x",t OUOEVO:;
68 BT.
69 BT.
Text and Translation: 140e-141c 121
TIME-OLDER, YOUNGER, SAME AGE
"What abour the following: do you think that it is possible for the one e
to be older or younger than, or the same age as, anything?"
-"Why not?"
"Because presumably, if it is the same age as itself or another, it will
partake of equality and likeness in regard to time, [but,] as we have said,
it does not belong to the one to parrake of either likeness or equality."
- "Yes, that's what we have said."
"And furthermore, that it does not partake of unlikeness and inequal-
ity, we also said this."
- "Certainly."
"Then, if it is like this, how will it be possible for it to be older or 141
younger than, or of the same age as, anything?"
- "In no way."
"So the one would be neither younger nor older than, nor the same
age as, itself or another."
- "Apparently not."
"So, if it is like this, could the one even be in time at all? Or isn't it
necessary that if something is in time, it is always coming to be older
than itself?"
- "Necessarily."
''Then is it not always the case that the older is always older than the
)"
younger.
- "Of course."
"Then, what comes to be older than itself at the same time comes to b
be younger than itself. if indeed it is going to have something to come
to be older than?"
- "How do you mean?1l
"I mean this: there is no need for anything different to come to be
other than another if it is already different;70 rather, it must now be
different from what is now different, have come to be different from
what has come to be different, and be going to be different from what
is going to be different. But what is coming to be different neither has
become [different], nor will be becoming [different], nor is [already]
different, but it is coming to be, and nothing else."
- ((Necessarily.I'
"But surely 'older' constitutes a difference from 'younger', and from c
nothing else."
70 Principle of Sufficient Reason; ef. Parmenides 88.9-10.
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[22 Plato's Parmenides
.. lan y<Xp."
.. TO lip/X e/xUTOU YCYVOjJVOV a.V<XYXl) )!./Xt veWTepov &.fi/X
"/xUTOO y[yvea&/xL."
..
.. a.AA<X x/Xl 7tAel., eIXUTOU y[yvea&IXL XPOVOV eM"."
a.AAOC TOV taov XPOVOV xIXt y[yvea&IXL "IXUTt;; xIXl LVIXL )!'IXl yeyavEvIXL
XIXt fiEAAELV laEa&IXL."
.. civocYXlJ 00\1 xcx1 "t'o:u't'oc."
.. ava.YX1J cipo: ea'dv. wc:;; eOLKEV, OGC.t ye: EV XpOVCJJ Ea't'L XOCL fJ.E't'EXEt. 'toO
EKOCO"'t"OV ClU't'WV 't'ltv 'rE octrC'C) exlrri;l EXEt" X.OCL
Te IXI)TOU &'fiIX XIXt veWTepav y[yvea&IXL."
.. XLVOUVEUEt.."
.. a.AAoc Tt;; ye "vl r:wv TOLOUr:WV TC/Xitl)fi<XTWV ou8<v
.. DU YO:p
.. ouoe: apa. Xp6vou !-lE"tEO .. tLV, QUO' e:o"nv EV 'tt-VI.
.. ouxouv ye 0 AOYOC:;; CXLpEi."
.. Tt OU\I; TO Koi 'to yi-YOVE XOCl. TO EyLyVETO OU xpovou
80xet al)fi/X[veLV Tau 7tor:< y<YOVor:OC;: "
.. X.OCL !J.OCAOC ...
.. Tt. oe; 't'o CT'tClt. XOCL 't'o xcxl 't'Q DU 't'OU E1tEt:t'rX.
r:Ou
n
fiEAAOVTOC;; "
.. vocL"
.. 'to OE:: Si) ecr't't. XOCl. 't'o yLYVEi:r.1.L DU 'toO "uv 1tClPOV'tOC;: "
.. 1tcXVU !-lE" ouv."
.. et lip/X r:o ev 1ll)8IXfi-n fiTeXEL xpovou, o':lT< 7tar:< yeyov<v OUT
" '1 ' ,1.. I v '" VI" '"
EyLyVE't'O OUT "IV 1tO"t'E, Dun: VUV yEyOVEV OU"tE yl.yVE"'t'lX.l.. OU"'t' EO"tI.V, OUT
ETtEL"to: ytV-f)O'E't'o:l.. OU't'E YtV1]-91)OE't'CXI. Ou"c' EO''t'(xL,''
.. ocA1]3icrtlX.'t'cx,"
'" .,. , I .." , ",,\ i .. " ..
e:O"tLV ouv OUCft,ru; f.1.'J 't'l.. f1ETcxO''Xm. OCfl.fl.W; l'j X(x;'t'f.1. "tOU't'W'I "tl..;
.. OUX ECirLV."
.. a.poc "to EV ouO'Lru; (J.'t'XEI.."
71 ! 7'tL'ta.1tOU G. Hermann: e1tL't!X. 'tOU BT.
Text and Translation: 141c-e (2)
- "Yes, it does."
"So that which comes to be older than itself must also, at the same
time, come to be younger than iISelf."
- "Apparently."
"But neither can it come to be for a longer time than itself. nor for a
shorter; rather, it must 'come to be' and tbe' and 'have come to be' and
'be going to be', for a time equal to itself."
- "That is also necessary."
"Thus it is necessary, as it seems, for each thing that is in time and
participates in this kind of thing, to be the same age as itself and.
simultaneously, come to be older and younger than iISelf."
- "Very likely."
"But the one had nothing to do with such qualifications."
- "No, it had not."
"Then it has neither something to do with time, nor is it in any time."
- "It has not, as the argument shows."
"Well. doesn't the 'was' and the 'has come to be' and the 'was coming
to be' seem to signify participation in time which has come to pass
sometime?"
- "Of course."
"And, then, does the 'will be' and the 'will come to be' and the 'will
have come to be' signify participation in time which will come to be
hereafter?"
-"Yes,"
"And does the 'is' and the 'is coming to be' signify participation in
time now present?"
- "Certainly."
"Therefore, if the one does not participate in time in any way, it has
nor ever 'come to be', nor 'was cumi ng to be', nor 'was' ever; it has not
now 'come to be', nor is it 'coming (0 be', nor 'is it'; nor hereafter 'will
it come to be', nor 'will it have come to be', nor 'will it be'."
- "Most true."
CONCLUSION
"Is it possible that anything could partake of being in any other way
than in one of these?"
- "No, it is not."
"Therefore, the one does not partake of being in any way."
- .. It seems not."
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.. auy. OLKEV."
.. ouoocp.wC; tipo: eO''t't -ro ev."
.. ou CPOCLVE'''W.t.''
" ouS' lipoc ou't'WC; ean,\! waTE EV elvocLo d"1J ya.p ocv eN XOCl. ouatocc;
142 !-LE't'EXOV" rxAA' 00:; Em-x.:. 'to EV OU't'E E'J EO''t'tV OUL'E eCJ't'Lv, EL SeE -r4l
)..,oYri} 1ttO''t'EUEl.V.''
" Xtvouve:uet."
" Q Se: eCJ''t'L. 't'ou't'<:l -r0 Qv't't d"t} av Tt ocu't'0 octrroO: "
XOCl. 7tw::;; "
" ouS' ocpoc Q'Vo!J.(l ea't'tv ocu't'0 QuSe: )"oyo::; QuSe "'C'r.c; ouSe:
octalhl,n, ouoe:
.. ou cpoctVE't'OCt."
.. ouo' &poc ouoe: AiYE"t"oct ouoe: ouoe:
ytYVWO'XE't'OCL, ouSi 't'L 't'W\I QV'tWV ocu't'oO ocla&6:.vE't'OCt.."
" DUX. EOtY..e:V."
.. SUVCl't'OV ouv 1tEpt 1."'0 EV ou-rwc; EXEI.;V; ..
.. OUX.OUV E!-Lotye: OOX.EL."
Text and Translation: 141e-142a
"Therefore the one in no way is."
- "Apparently not."
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"Therefore it is not even in such a way as to be one, for if it were, it
would already be that which is and would partake of being. But, as it
appears, the one neither is 'one' nor 'is', if we are to trust this sort of
argument."
- "Quite likely."
"If something is not, could anything belong to it, or be of it?"
- "How could it?"
"So no name belongs [Q it, nor is there an account, nor any knowledge,
nor perception, nor opinion of ir."
- "Evidently not."
'Therefore, it is not named nor spoken of, nor is it rhe object of opinion
or knowledge, nor does anything among rhe 'things that are' perceive it."
- "Apparently not."
"Now, is it possible that these things are true of the one?"
- "I do not think so."
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c
d
126
Plato's Parmenides
.. SOUAEl ouv 1tL TitV tntolkc1Lv 1ta.ALV E1to:vi)..-3oo!!E:v,
Tt. e1tClVtOUeJLV cXAAotOV q>OCV71; ..
,.' ,. (3 ',\ ..
1to:vu DUV OUr-0Il-OCt. .
.. ouxoOv ev EL eaTLV. 'f)(x(Jiv. 'to: 7tEpt C(u't'oO. 1tOLa. 1tO't'E
TUYXU.Ve:l QVTCX. SW[.LOAOY"fl't'EOC "C'o:.u't'CY.' DUX. o{hw; ..
.. "ocL"
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fJ.<TiX<tV;
. OUX olo') 'tE,"
.. OUY-OU" x.o:t 000'tO: 'raO EVO::; EL'fj (Xv au 't'cxt)"rov ouacx EVt' OU YO:p
OCV EXeL\I"1 eKdvou ouO'to:, QUO' ocv eKe:ivQ 'rO ExehrfjC; (.LETELx.ev.
O(.Lowv iiv AiyELV V Tt dvo:.!. KCJi E'I Ev. vGv Oe OUX. au't1) EO'rtv
t '0. ,., '72 't' (3' , i .... ' ,.. " "'"
1) UTCOQ"E<1LC;. et ev E',!, 't't. XP"t) SU!J. o:.!.VElV, (7.1\1\ Et. ev EO''t'I.V DUX OU't'W:
.. 1ttivu !-le" OU\I."
" auy-ouv &')..)..0 Tt "Co EO'Tt. ,(,OU &V; ..
avocyy."'1'"
apoc 00V a.AAO ij O,(,t. oua-toc:; "Co gv. ,(,OU,(,' av eJ1j "co
"ct.'; EtitrJ o't't. EV ga-'('t.v; ..
.. 1tOCVU
, '\ ", .... , (3' ,
.. rtClr..I.V ol] '('I. a-u/J. OUV, Et. OUX.
cX\locyXl] "CClU'rIJV u7t6&ea-t.v ,(,Ol.oO'('OV '0\1 'to EV O"IJ(J.CltVet.\I. oro\l (J.epl]
gX&I.V; ..
.. ..
6>Oe:' e:i. "Co Eo"C1. "COU \10:; 1-EyE'tClt. XClL 'ro V TaU v6:;, Ea"Cl.
oe: ou 'to cx.tho -iJ 'te ouaLoc XOCL 'rO tv, 'tau a.lhoD OE: iXeLVOU 00
t 'v 'i ", "l!... ,I" 't " ,
'tau cx.pCX ouy. cx.VClyX1) "Co !-Lev ur..ov ev 0'01 et.\lcxt. ClU'tO, 'tou'tou
Se: yLY\leo&cx.t. p.oPl.CI. "Co 'te EV y'Cl.L "Co etVf1f..; "
.. civtiyxYj."
.. 7to'tepov OU\I ex.O:'tE:pov -r(;l'I lJ.0pl{a)V '(olrClI}V !J.optOV (.Lovav 1tpOOpOUf.LEV.
'ij TOO o)..OU fJ.OPLOV TO Y< fJ.OpCOV 1tPOcrP'1TEOV; "
.. TaU 01-0U."
Text and Translation: 142b-d
SECOND ARGUMENT
"So, do you want us to return to the hypothesis from the beginning, b
to see whether something of a differem SOrt appears to us, as we go
through it [again]?"
- "I wam to, by all means!"
'''If one is', as we say, we should agree upon the consequences that will
follow for it, of whatever sort these may happen to be. Is it not so?"
- "Yes, it is."
"Consider from the beginning: 'if one is', can it be, but not partake
of being?"
- "It cannot."
"Then the being of the one would also exist, without it being the same
as the one; otherwise, it could not be the being of the one, nor could
the one partake in it.
Otherwise, saying that 'one is' would be like saying that 'one [is] one'. c
But this time around this is not our hypothesis, namely, what the
consequences must be 'if one [is] Olle', but what the consequences are
'if one is'. Isn't that so?"
- "Of course."
"Is that because 'is' signifies something other than 'one'?"
- "Necessarily."
"So whenever someone says concisely that 'one is', would this amoum
to saying nothing other than that 'the one partakes of being'?"
- "Certainly."
PARTS/WHOLE-ONE/MANY
"Then let us again state what the consequences will be 'if one is' .
Consider whether this hypothesis must not signify that the one is of
such a sort as to have parts."
- "How so?"
"In this way: if 'is' is said of the 'one being', and 'one' is said of the d
'being one', and the being and the one are not the same, but are of
that same of which we have made our supposition, namely, the 'one
being', doesn't it follow by necessity, that (al 'one being', by being that,
constitutes a whole, of which (bl 'onc' and 'being' are its parts?"
- "Yes, necessarily."
"Then shall we call each of these twO parts simply 'part', or should the
part be called 'part' [because it is part] of the whole?"
- "Of the whole."
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Plato's Parmenides
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.. 1ta.vu ye."
.. d ouv; TWV fJ-0ptWV bUl'tEPOV TOU"((o}V 'tou 5'orro:;, TO 'rE EV X.OCL TO QV.
apcx OC1tOAEL1tEaSov TO EV "CoG dvrJ.1.. !J.optOU 'to QV 'tou e\lo:; !J.opLou; "
.. aux OCV Et"1)."
" 7tOCf..LV ocpex xo:.i. TWV p.optWV Ex.Il:rEpov 't'O "CE EV taXEt. XIX!. TO QV. xoci.
Y'YV<'rrJ.' 'r0 EAocx"nov ex ouoi:v rJ.O fLOP'o,v 'r0 fLOPLOV, xocl xoc'ra. 'rOV
cxu't'OV ).,cyO\! ou-rw:; oce:t, fJ-rI.7tEP OCV !J.6pwv yiVlj't"o:.L. 't'OU't'w 'too (1.0pLW:\
cid /.aXEI.." "['0 'rE yocp ev TO QV cid LaXEt xo:i 'to ov 'to EV' waLE ocvocyxYj
QU' <id YLyvOfL<vOV fL1I0':"0'r< EV ",voc'."
.. ' 't"
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. ouxoOv cl1tELPOV OCV "C'o 1tA1j&O:; othw 'to \1 0\1 d'l); "
.. EOLXEV,"
.. 1t-n; ..
4 ouaLct; CPtX(.LE:'J 'to t.v. StO gCJTt-V: "
.. voce"
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.. OUTW';."
.. TL oi; lXU'tO 'to t.v, 0 cpOCf.LEV OUcrLO:C; tc>:v o:u'(o T7) 8LO:VO[q:
fLOVOV xcx&' O:UTO aveu 'tou'tou 00 cpocflev f.L't'EXeL'J, apci ye EV
floVOV it xo:L 1COJ...J...rx 'to o:u't'O 't'ofJ'to: ..
.. EV. OIfLOC' <YWYE." .. rSWfLEV 74 Oyr OCAAO 'rL h<pov fLev
" " I" """ ' ........ ' .,
OUOLO:V o:u'tou e:L\lOCL, e:'t'epo\l oe etu'to, e:L1te:p f!1) OUcrL(l "to e\l, et",,,, 00'; e:v
oua[cx<; flE:"tECJXe:v; ..
.. cX\la.yK1)."
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't'e:pov Qu't'E: "t<il OUOLa. et.VtXt. -f) ouaLcx TOU tvOC; a.AAO. cXAA.x T<il
ETP'!J -rE xcxl cXAA'!J E'tepca: cXAAifA(ij'l."
73 'tOUt'", B pr. T.
74 tSwf1<v] dSwf1<v BT.
Text and Translation: 142d-143b
"Therefore, whatever is one both is a whole and has a part."
- "Of course."
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"Now, what about each of these two parts of the ' one that is', 'oneness'
and ' being'? Is 'oneness' ever absent from the being[-nessl part, or is e
' being'[-nessl absent from the oneness part'"
- "No, that could not be."
"So once again, each of the tWO parts possesses oneness and being[-ness).
and the part, in turn, is composed of at least two parts, and endlessly,
according to the same reasoning, whatever part comes to be always
possesses these two parrs, since oneness always possesses being and
being always possesses oneness. Consequently, since by necessity7' it 143
always comes to be two, it is never one."
- "Absolutely."
"So, in this way, wouldn't the 'one that is' be unlimited in multitude'"
- "Apparently."
DIFFERENCE/OTHERNE55
"Come, let us proceed in the following way as well."
- "In which way?"
"Do we say that the one partakes of being, and therefore is?"
-"Yes,"
"And for this reason, 'the one that is' was shown to be many?"
- "So it was."
"And what about the one itself, which we say partakes of being? If in
thought we were to grasp it all alone by itself, without that of which
we say it partakes, will it appear to be only one, or will this same thing
appear to be many?"
- "One. I believe."
"Let us see then. It is necessary that its being must be onc thing and b
it itself again another thing, if indeed the one is not being, but rather,
as one, it partakes of being."
- "Necessarily,"
"So if the being is onc thing and the one is another thing, neither by
being one is the one different from being, nor by being bci ng is the
being different from the one, but by difference and otherness they are
different from each other."
75 The modal operator 'by necessiry' seems to apply ro the whole phrase,
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0 Plato's Parmenides
.. 1tcX\lV !J.\I ouv."
.. Wcr't'E ou TIXO't'OV ECJ't't.V OtJ-re: -ci;i E'Jt OU't'E -rfi 'to r:repov."
.. yo:p; ..
.. Tt. DUV; EelV rrpoEAWf1.EaCl. d't'E oual.o:v xai '(0
" >!" I \'"'' , (\ ".. 1', 1 ,
E't"EpOV Et:tE 't'"t)v oual,a.v xoct. 't'o ev El.'t'E 'to v xo:t. "to E't'EpOV, C1.p DUX. E')
E:xocat"71 t"fj rrpOOCLpEaEt rrpoocLpoufLdtoc nVE W op&Oi; <XEL y.ocAEca&ocL
OCfL'I'Ot"EPW; ..
.. 1twi:;; tI
.. @8:' ecr't'Lv oUO'l,cx.v d7tEtV; "
.. ECJ'tI.V."
.. XQi e:Ln:EL'J EV; ..
.. xa.t 1'00'('0,"
.. .. , l' , ! , -" "
exp OU'J OUX Ex.a:t'Epov ClU't'Ot'V Et.P1}'t'(Xt.;
.. voc[."
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.. rrcXvu YE."
.. ouxoOv Y-oi Ellv oUcrl.ct -rE xo:t E't"EpOV E't"EPOV -re xai Ev. XIXt QU't"oo
Tttlv-rocxw:; icp' exocO''t"ou OCI-'-'PW "Aiyw; ..
.. vocL."
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e:lvoct., Suo oE 1-'-1]; ..
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... , 76 \:'>1 '1'." , \ , _" 't ..
W 0 OCV OUO 1)t"OV, Eern n; fL1)xocV"IJ fL"IJ OUX EXOCt"EPO'J OCUt"OLV EV ELVOCL;
.. ouoe:tJ.Loc ...
.. 't'ou-rwv ocpo: e.1te:L1tep auvSuo
77
EXC1.cr'to: ttvo:t, xo:t ev av e:rY)
xO:O"'t"ov."
.. <po:[ ve't"C1.t."
.. et. SE EXO:O"'tOV o:u't'wv ia't't. 01tOtOuouv -n'ttVtOUV
ou 't'p[oc ytYVE"COCt "CeX 1((1V"COC; ..
.. vocL."
.. -rPtIX SE ou 1tEpt't'TeX XIXt Suo apTto:; ..
.. 7tWr; 0' OU; t ... Tt Si; ouo!:v QVTOt.V oux &:vocyx"fJ e:lvo:t XIXt Otc;. xa1 Tpt.WV
-rptc;. e:r7tEp U1tOCPXe:t 'tell 'te: QUO 'to ate; E.V xo:t t"pLoc TO t"ptc; EV; "
.. &:vocyx"fj."
76 ,,] B: ., T
77 Stcphanus: 03'1 B: ouv T.
Text and Translation: 143b-e
- "Of course."
"So 'the differem' is not the same as 'the one' or 'the being'."
- Certainly not,"
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"Now, if we should choose from these,ler's say, 'the being and the dif- c
ferem', or 'the being and the one', or 'the one and the different', do we
not in each case choose a pair that is correctly called 'both'?"
- "How do you mean?"
"As follows: is it possible to speak of 'being'?"
- "It is."
''And, again, is it possible ro speak of 'one'?"
- C'That, too."
"So has not each of the two [just] been spoken of?"
-"Yes."
"Then what about when I say 'being and one'? Have not both been
mentioned?)'
- "Certainly."
"And if I say 'being and different' or 'different and one', am I not d
speaking of both in each case roo?"
-"Yes."
GENERATION OF NUMBERS
"Is it possible for whatever is correctly called 'both' ro be both, but
not 'two'?"
- "It is not possible."
"Bur for whatever would be two, is there any device by which each of
these two would not be one?"
-"None."
"So since each of these things happens to be a pair, each one would
be one."
- "Apparently."
''And if each of them is one [individually], whenever a one is added ro
any SOrt of pair, doesn't the rota I become three?"
-"Yes."
''And isn't three odd, and tWO even?"
- "Of course."
"What about this? If there arc two, must there not also be 'twice', and if
three, also 'thrice', if indeed two is twice one, and three is thrice one?"
- "There must."
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c
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Plato's Parmenides
" Quaiv Q ov,OtV Y.ClL aux auo El"Clt; XClL ,pt';'v Y.ClL"'pL;
OUX cl'lOCyK"t] OCU ,(pta. etvo:t.; ..
.. KW; 0' OU; ..
.. ,d. Bi: QV't'wv Xa.l 8t; ov't'wv xa.t OUOLV OVTOLV xoct tpL:; QV'tOL',I DUX.
, , , '\' , , 78 "
ClVClYX1J 1:e: ,ptCl Ot<; etVClt XClt ouo ,pt<; ;
.. 1tOAAij YE."
.. OCp-n.ci -re: ocpo: a:p't'to:'Xt; OC'J err; xocL 1tEPt.T'ra. 1tEPLTTOCXU; XOCL OCp't'lOC
1te:PL't .. XOCL 7tEpt.'t"t'O:. ocp't'Lcix!.;."
.. eO'TL.V oU't'w."
.. d 00'01 't'OCLl"'t'Cl OUTW; EXf-t.. OLEt 't'LVO:. clpL-9!-,-OV ll7to)..d1tEO'.sOCl, 0'.1 aux.
cXvO:.yx1j e:lvoct.: ..
.. aUaClfJ.';'; ye."
.. EL ocpcx EO''t'LV tV, avciYKI) xcxi clptSfJ.OV d\lIXl."
.. tiv6:.yx:t}."
" ocAAit. fJ.i)v ocpt3fJ.au ye TtaAA' ib d" aTtetpo'J ,';'v
ov,wv 1j auy. aTtetpa; Tt/-1]1)et Y.ClL fJ.e,ixwv yyvg,Clt; "
.. xocL 1ttlVU YE."
" DUX-OOV Et. mx<; cipLSfJ.Q<; !.l.E't'iXe:!., x:xt "C'o !J.Opwv EXOCt'J'TOV TOU
OCpt3fJ.0u fJ.e,ixot ocv ..
.. votL"
E7tL miv't'o: OCpCl 7tOAAOC QV't'Cl ij ouaLCl VEVE!-L1'j't'ClL xo:t
cX.7tOCT't'Cl-rei 't'WV Qv't'wv. ou'tE: 'toO O'!1-(.xpo't'ti't'ou ou't'e 'toO (.LeyLO''tou;
,ou,o fJ.E;>, XClL a/-oyov <pi(1)"'t; Tt';'<; yit.p ocv oua,Cl ye ,';'v av,wv
'tOU ci1tOa't'C1't'oi"J; "
.. OUSC1(.LW:;."
.. XC1't'CXXe:Y.e:P!-La.'t'(.O''t'!l(' a.plL 0[0'11 't'E: CT(.LLXPO't'CX't'cx XlLl !J-EY(.O''t'!l XtX.l
QV,Cl, XClL fJ.efJ.ipta''''t TteX"'wv fJ.eX/-"'.,.cl, XClL I'a" fJ.ip1J
ouO'ta.;."
.. iXEl OU't'w."
.. 7tAeio't'o: ocpo: ecr'tl. 't'oc (.LEp1J
.. 7tAetO"CO: f.LEV't'Ot,"
.. 't'L owv; eo't'(. 't'(. O:UTWV 0 eCT't'(. !-LEV (.LEPOI; oucrLO:I;. OUSEV (.LEvTot.
fJ.ipO;;
.. XtXi 1tw:; OCV 't'ou-ro
RO
yivot:ro; ..
78 8uo "pc, in marg. h, Proclus suppl.: 80<; B: 8t, T.
79 &:rtoCJ''t'cx't'Ol corr. T: i1tOCJ''t'a.'t'OL'f) Stobaeus: OC7tOCJ''t'IX't'tt B pr. T.
80 't'ou't"o] 't'ot. 't'ou't'o BT.
Text and Translation: 143e-144c
IJJ
"And if there are 'two' and 'twice', must thete not be 'twice tWO' [i.c.,
tWO times two]? And if there are 'three' and 'thrice', must there not be
' thrice rhree' [i.e., three times three]?"
- "Of course."
"What of this: if there are 'three' and 'twice', and if there are 'two' and
'thrice', must there not be twice three and thrice two?"
- "Yes. It must, necessarily."
"And therefore there would be 'even times even', 'odd times odd', 'odd
times even', and 'even times odd',"
- ult is so,"
''And if that is so, do you think there is any number left that does not
necessarily exist?"
- "By no means,"
"Consequently, 'if one is', there mUSt also be number."
- "Necessarily."
LlMITED/UNLlMITED-COMPRESENCE OF ONE AND BEING
"Bur if there is number, there would be 'the many', and an unlimited
multitude of 'things that are'. Or would not a number, unlimited in
multitude, also come about by partaking of being?"
- "It certainly would."
"Then if all number partakes of bei ng, would not each part of number
also partake of it?"
- "Yes."
144
"So is bci ng[-nessl allocated to all the many 'things that are', and it is b
not absent from any of the 'things that are', neither ftom the smallest
nor from the largest? Or is it unreasonable to even ask this question?
For how could being be absent from 'things that are'?"
- "There is no way."
"So being is CUt up into the smallest possible things and into the larg-
eSt possibl e ones and into the 'things that arc' in all possible ways, c
and it is of all things the most partitioned, and the parrs of being are
unlimited [in number]."
-"True."
"Therefore, its parts arc most multitudinous."
- "Most multitudinous, indeed."
"But what about this: is there any among them that is parr of being,
and yet not a part?"
- "How could this be?"
d
e
145
134
Plato's Parmenides
.. ?JJ,A' d1tp ye, EO''t'tV. civocyx1} <Xtrn) cie:i.. two1tep av il. r,'v ye Tt.
Elycx" 3E ciMycx"toy."
civa.yx"f)."
.. npo; cX7tOCVL'L cipa 't'{il ouo{w; P.ipEt npOCJEO"'t"!.. 'to tv. aUK
ci7toAe'7tol-'eYoY al-''''pon:pou I-'epou; otAAOu
ouSevoc:;."
.. ou'tw."
.. apex. ouv E.'I QV 1tOAArl.XOO oc!J.oc OAQV eo-ri.; 'tOU"C'O cX.spEL."
" oct.).,' ci&pw xext bp&! o"t'[, ocouvcx't'Qv."
" I-'el-'ep,al-'evov otpCX, ",7tep oAov' otAAw<; y<ip 7tOU 0,;3",1-'"'- OCI-'''' OC7tCXO"'
"tOL<; "tij<; ouaL"" I-'ipeacv 7tcxpia"tcx, I-'I-'ep,al-'evov."
" va.I.."
.. "to ye I-'ep'a"tov civ<iy" elv"" "toa",O"" oa"'7tep I-'ip."
.. civciyx:f}."
.. oux otp'" .xpn EAey0I-'Y Aiyone, 7tAtLa"t'" I-'ip Tj ouaL",
et"f). oMe yap 1tAELw 'roi) EVo; VEVP.l)'t'Clt. rail. EOf.X,
evL OU-rE YIlP 1'0 QV TOU rX7tot.drrE:1'oct. oU1'E: TO EV TOU Qv1'or;. O:t.t.'
'1::' ... n ,. ., "
oUO OV't'E ClE!. rrcx.po: 7tOCVTct.
.. rrIX.v-r,btcx.at.v oihw <pcx.LVETClt.."
.. 'to EV eXpo: Cl';1:'O U7tO -rijc; ouaLo:c; 1tOt.t.OC 1:'E xcx.t
!i1tE:t.pCX 1:'0 1tt.-ijD6c; Ea1:'t.v."
.. cpCX[VE.1:'Cl!. ...
.. ou p.6vov eXpoc 1:'0 QV BV 1tot.t.OC ea1:'LV, O:t.t.cX xcxt tlU1:'O 1:'0 BV U1tO 1:'OU
1tot.t.rx o:vciYK'l dvru."
.. 1tClv-rOCrra.a!. OUv."
.. Ka.t. !J.-ftv 01:'L yE Ot.OU 1:'0: !J.OpLct !J.OpLtl.. 1tE1tEpoca/J-EVOV cX.v e:L"f) Xct"CO:
"Co OAOV "Co tv' ou 7tEPt.EXE'tCl!' U1tO 'tOU OAOU 't'o:. p.Op!.o:; ..
.. civciYX1)."
.. o:AAO: f.L-ftv 1:'0 ye: 1tEptEXOV 1tEpctC; a.v e:LY]."
.. 1tw:; 0' OV; .,
.. 1'0 EV a.pcx QV EV TE a1:'[ 7tOU xoct rrOAAtl. Ked 01.0V XClt /-LOp!.cx. xat
7te7tep",al-'ivov X"" otm:cpov
.. cpcx.[VE-rctt."
Text and Translation: 144c-145a
135
"I suppose, rather, if indeed it is, ir must always, so long as it is, be one
thing, as it cannot be nothing."
- "1 must."
"So the one is present alongside [Le., compresent with] each and every
part of being, and is absent neither from a smaller nor from a larger d
part, nor from any other."
- "So it is."
"Then, being one, is it, as a whole, in many places at the same time?
Consider this carefully."
- "I am doing rhis, and I realize that this is impossible."
''Then, if indeed not as 'a whole', it is as 'divided into parts'. For how
else will it be present alongside all the parts of being at the same rime,
if it is not divided?"
- "Yes."
"Then what is divided must necessarily be just as many as its parts."
-"It must."
"But then we were not speaking the trurh just now when we said thar
being has been allocated into mOSt multitudinous parts. For it has e
nor been allocated into more than [what is] one, but, as it seems, into
equally many as the one."
"For being is not absent from [whatever is] oneness, nor oneness from
being, but by being two [together]' they are always equal throughout
all things."
- "It appears entirely so."
"Thus, the one itself, cut up by being, is many and unlimited in
multitude."
- "Apparently."
"So nor only is the 'one being' many, but the one irself is necessarily
many, having been apportioned by being."
- "Absolutely."
"Furthermore, inasmuch as parts are parts of a whole, the one would
be limited by the whole. Or are not the parts contained by the whole?" 145
- "'By necessity."
"But that which contains would be a limit."
- l'Of course."
"Therefore, the 'one being' is somehow both one and many, both whole
and parts, both limited and unlimited in multitude."
- "Apparently."
b
c
d
Plato's Parmenides
.. ." , , " " l! ..
IXp DUV OUX. 1tEt1tep 1t1tepo:ol'.'JOY. XCXt EO'Xo:."t'CX >:.xov;
.. ocvciy)o'j."
" -d. 8'; Et. OAOV, OU xoci cipx.1jv ocv ex-cl.. xo:i XO:L t'EAEU"Cl]V; 0[6v 'rE
Tt. 0/..0'1 e:tv!Xt. 't'PtOOY TOtrt'wv: xliv 'tOU
Rl
ev O't'LOUV Ctut'wv oc1toCJ't'a:r-(l.
ilteA1)cre, h, OAQV dv",,; ..
.. aUK i.f)Ef..-f)crE/.. ...
" Kat r1.px-f)'J oi). wt; eOt.XEV. xo:.t X():t !J.EO'OV txot. ocv 'to tv."
.. EXOt ."
" a.AAcX 'to ye: !J.Ecrov 'twv ecrxa:r:wv ci1tEXt. ou yelp OC'J
P.EO'QV d"fj."
" ou yeip."
.. xext O'X-f)(J.Cl"COC; 31j 't'LVO;. 00:; Em.XE. 't'OWlrrov QV !J.E't"tXOL IX\! "to e.'I,
eultEo, ii cr"<POYYUAOU -J) nvo.; !'-,x"<oil ci;!'-cpo'i:v."
.. !J.E't'EXOL yap &"'.1."
.,,, ' " .. " , ,. .. - " .. ","\ "
.. l'\p cuv ou't'<OC; exov CUX (lUTO 't'E ev ECXU't'<:l e(J''t'CXI. XCXL E.V CXAAI{!:
..
.. (J.e:pwv 7tOU exo:O'-roY ev OAC9 ea-rL Ked ix't'oc; 'rou oAou."
,.
.. 1tocv'roc 8e: TO: /-I.ep"f) U1tO TOU OAOU 1tEPLXETIl.L; "
" vocL"
" xex.t Tcl: ye 1tclVTOC TO: eluToD TO V EcrTL, XOCL OUTE TL 1tAEOV
OU'rE EAoc'rTOV 1tcl:VTOC."
.. OU YO:p,"
.. ouxouv xex.t TO OAOV "rO EV O''t'LV; "
.. 1tw:; S' ou; ..
.. e:L apex. 1tclVTOC "reI (J.ep1) EV "rUYXO:VEL QV"roc, EO''tL 8 Ta. "rE 1ta:VTIX 'rO
EV XOCL OCUTa "ra OAOV, 1tEPLEXE"'COCt Se uno 't'oO oAOU TO: 1tcl:V"r(l, U1tO "roO
'''' , .. rI '" ... .., ( '" to
EVO:; ex.V 1te:PLEXOLTO "to EV. XOCL OUTW:; (J.V "tJOl) TO EV (J.UTO E'J ELl) .
.. f!XLVE-rCl.L: '
.. oct.)..&: '['0 ye oAov ocu OUX EV TOt::; j.lEPEcrtv crTt'J, OUTE EV 1ttXIJ'l.V
"'.1 ".. _ ., "! , '" ..
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aUK iv &TL ?tau OUVCl.LTO '11 ye OC1tocO'tV dVc(L' Et oe "tOU'tO I-LEV 't'O EV 't'WV
li1tO:v't'wv tlT't'L, "rO OE OAOV EV I-L-1t E'rl. EV yE 'tOLC; 7tCiO'LV
VEO''t(lL IU; ..
81 't'ou Schleiermacher: 't'ou BT.
82 EV!. corr. Yen. 189: E:VL B: evt T.
83 i:VEG-rCXt. Par. 1836:!:v G't'cxt. BT.
Text and Translation: 14Sa-d
SHAPE-BEGINNING, MIDDLE, END
"So. since indeed it is limited, does it not also have extremities?"
- "Necessarily,"
137
"What about this: if it is a whole, would it not also have a beginning.
a middle, and an end? Or can something be a whole without these
three? And if anyone of them is absent from something, would it still
be willing to be whole?"
- "It would not."
"So the one, it seems, would have a beginning, an end, and a middle." b
- "It would."
"But the middle is equidistant from the extremities; otherwise, it would
not be 'middle."
- "[t would not."
"Being of such a sort, the one, it seems. would partake of some shape,
either straight. or round, or some combination of both."
- "Yes. i[ would."
IN ITSELF/IN ANOTHER
"Since it is so. will it not be both in itself and in another?"
-"Hawso?"
"Each of the parts is somehow in the whole, and none is outside the
whole."
"J " - ust so .
''Are all the parts contained by the whole?" c
-"Yes."
"And indeed the one is all of its partS, and neither more nor less than alL"
- "Certainly."
"Is not the one also the whole?"
- "Of course."
"So if all the parrs happen to be in the whole, and the one is both all
the parrs as well as the whole itself. and all are contained by the whole,
then the one would be contained by the one; and in this way the one
itself would now be in itself."
- "Apparently."
"But again the whole would not be in its parts, neither in all nor in some d
one [part]. For if it were in all, it would by necessity also be in one [of
these]. because if it were not in some one [part]. it could no longer be
somehow in all. And if that one [part] is one among all. and the whole
is not in it, how will the whole still be present in all?"
e
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" oull<XfLtO.;"
.. ouSt 1).:.)\1 ev '{taL -rWV (iEpWv. et yap EV 'CLaL 'Co 01.0'1 er'I), 'to 1tAEOV exv
EV EACX-t'TOVL ELy!. 0 EcrTl'l &:8u'JIX"C'O'l."
" ciOUVCl-rOV yiip."
" QV 0' EV 7tAEOCJLV E:V evl fL"lJO' iv !i7t<x(n TO', fLEpEQ"t TO oAOV
oux ocvOrYX"IJ ev Ttvl El",," fL"lJo"'fLoG h, Etv",,; "
.. IiVOCYKfj."
.. OUKOU\I !J."ljooctL0u !-lEv QV OVOEV 17;\1 Et'f). OAO'l oE ov. aux EV (xln0
EO''t'LV, ocvocyx,1j EV cXAAc:.> dV(l!"; "
.. TClivu YE."
.. -n fJ-EV ocpo: 'to EV OAO'l, EV oc)')"':l EO'-r[V' iJ OE: -rCl TtcX.V't'Cl !J.EPll 0\1,(,0:
't'uYXcXVEt., (Xtrt'C) E'J XCXL ou't'w 't'o EV tivciYiCI) <xu"t'o -re EV Eocu't'0
eLVClL xo:t \1
.. civci:.yx.'r)."
.. OiJTW 1tECPUY..Ot.; "to EV eXp CUx. civci:.yY..l) xo:i x.Lveia8a.L xat
EtTtOCVOCt.;"
. ITn; "
.. !-Liv 7tOU, EL7tep a.u"Co EV etl.u"Cc!> EO'''C[..V. EV YO:p EVL QV xo:t EX
"COlJ"COU !-L-i) EV "Cc!> o:u"Ciil av dlj. EV
.. EO'''CL yctp."
.. 't'o Si ev 't'ii> ctu"C0 cid QV EO''t'OC; civctYXlJ ad dVOCL."
.. 7tctVU ye."
.. 't'[ Si; "Co ev E't'ep:l <id QV ou 't'O EVC1.V't'[OV civciYl<:1J fL"lJOE7tO"C' EV 't'0
etWl.L. 8e: QV ev 't'0 CllJ"t'0 !-L"tjok EO''t'livoct, !.L-IJ EO''t'OC; 8k
XtVEL0'3oct; ..
..
.. ciVa.YKlj apoc 't'o EV, cx.u't'o 't'e: EV eocu't'ii> cid QV Kat ev a.ei
xLveLcrDcx[ 't' xoct E:crTa.VClL,"
.. CP!XLVE't'CXL."
Text and Translation: 145d-146a
139
- "There is no way,"
"Nor will ir be in some of the parts: because if rhe whole were in some
[parts], the more would be in the less, which is impossible.""
- "Yes, impossible."
"But if the whole is not in more rhan one, nor in one, nor in all the
parts, must it not either be in something different or be no longer
anywhere at all?" e
_ "It must,"
"So, ifit were nowhere, it would be norhing, but since it is whole, and
not in itself. it must be in another, musrn'r ir?"
- "By all means."
"So insofar as the one is a whole, it is in another, but insofar as it
consists of all the parrs, it is in itself. And rhus the one must be both
in itself and in another."
- "Ir must."
MOTION/REST
"Given that this is irs nature, must nor rhe one be both in motion and
at rest?"
-"How?"
"It is somewhere at rest, if indeed it is in itself. For if it is in one thing 146
and does not move from it, it would be in the same thing, namely, in
itself."
-"Yes."
"That which is always in the same thing must surely always be at rest
somewhere."
- "Certainly."
"Whar about this? What is always in something different must con-
versely never be in the same; and if it is never in the same, it must also
nOt be ar reS(i and if it is not at rest, is it not in motion?"
- "So it is,"
"Therefore the one, since it irseifis always in irseif. as well as in some-
rhing different, is necessarily always both in motion and at rest."
- ''Apparently.''
84 Corn ford (Plato and ParmmidfJ, 148-150) sees here a link ro Zeno's argu-
ment against place (Simplicius, Ph)!, 562, l) and Gorgias' alleged imitarion
of that argument (see Aristotle, MXG 979b, 22). See also 150e-151a.
b
c
d
Plato's Parmenides
.. KOCL 't'ClUt'OV yE OEt Elvoct ClU'tO xai E"C'EPOV eocu't'oO, XOCL
'rote; wcroclrrwc; 't'ocu-cov 't'E xo:i. E'tEpOV dvoct., EL1tEp xai "toc
1tE7tOVSEV."
. "
,.. .7: .... ". ... .. ... "
.. miv "OU "POC; Cl"ClV woe exeL .. "tCl,,"tOV E""tLV 1) E"tepov eCl'J
"C'ClUt'OV !J:f)O' fLEpOC; EX1} 't'out'ou rrpoc; 8 oih'w:; tXEt. . wc;
npoc; f1.EpOC; Ol-OV av "'"1]."
cpCX{VE't'CXt.."
clp' QUV 't'o E'.I cxtrro OClrrou !-LEpa:; EO'-rtV; ..
.. o':'Socf1.Wc;."
.. oua' ocpo: 00:; rcpo:; (.LEpa::; Iltrro oc{r'C'ou OAO\l :Xv d'IJ' rrpo:; ECXUTO (.LEpOr; Ov."
" OU y&:p orov -rE."
....... ' l' .. " t'"''
.. 0:1\1\. apex E'tEpOV EaT['V E'JCC; "to EV;
" QU a-t)'t'oc."
.. ouo' ocpa: EOCU't'OO yE E't'EPOV OCV eL"1J."
. QU Il-EV-rOt."
c.i. auv !J.1j't'E E't'EpOV OAOV tJ.1j't'E P.EpOC; o:.U"(O 'Tt?o:; O::U1'O tan'), aux
tivciYY..1) l}O1) 't'll.tJ"rov e:Ivoct. O:UTO ..
.. civci:YX:Ij,"
.. Tt QE; 'to E-repwlh. 0') OClJ't'O EOCUTOU ev aux civo:yx1J
EOCUTOU ETEpOV e1va:t.. e:t1te:p Xa:L E't'EP(a)St. E:CfTrxt.; ..
" "f1.0LYE SaKEt."
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.. ou't'w [J.1JV e:.;prxV1] EXOV TO EV, OCU't'O 't'e: 'J e:.rxUTI{) OV OC!-la: xrxt. V ETEpl{).
.. EcpO:V'IJ yocp."
.. ETe:pOV ciprx. Eot.xEv. ELl'} -roctrrr, exv EauToG TO E'J."
eo[.xe:v."
.' -r[ OOv; Et 'tau Tt. fio; ETe:pOV ECf'tt.V, OUX E:-rEPOU O'J'to.; E'tE:pOV ea'toc[.;
.. civocYX1J."
.. OuxoGv OCfa: EV :CfT[,V, &7trxvS' t't'e:.poc 'tOU Xa:L 'to e'J TCN
!-l-fj EV;
.. 7tw.; 8' au; ..
.. ETe:pOV ciprx a'J e:t1} 'to E'J 'twv eXAAWV."
.. ETe:pOV."
8S L 'tou 'tt. G: t:t 'tOU 'tt BT.
Text and Translation: 146a-d
SAME/DIFFERENT
"Furthermore, if indeed it has suffered the aforesaid [qualifications] it
must be the same as itself and different from itself, and, likewise, the b
same as the others and different from the others."
- "Haw so?"
"Everything is somehow related to everything in this manner: either
it is the same or different; or, if it is neither the same nor different, it
would be related as part is to whole, or as whole is to part."
- "Apparently."
"So is the one itself part of itself?"
- "In no way."
"Then neither would it be a whole itself in relation to a part of itself;
if it were, it would be a parr in relation ro itself."
- "No, this is impossible."
"But then is the one different from one?"
- "Certainly not." c
"Then it could not be different from itself."
- "Of course not."
"So ifit is neither different not whole nor part in relation to itself, mUSt
it then not be the same as itself?"
- "By necessity."
"What aboUl the following? Must not what is in a different place from
itself, and also in the same place, namely in itself, be differcm from
itself, ifit is to be in a different place?"
- "[t seems so to me."
"So the one was shown to be such as (his, since i( is, at the same time,
both in itself and in another?"
- "Yes. this was shown."
"In this way the one, as it seems, would be different from itself."
- "So it seems." cl
"Well then, if something is different from something else, will it nOt
be different from what is different from it?"
- "Necessarily."
"Then are not the things that are 'not-one' all different from the one,
and the onc different from the things 'not-one?"
- "Of course."
"So the one would be different from the others."
-"Yes."
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142 Plato's Parmenides
" opa: (lUTO 'rE TOClrt'o'J XIl:L 'to E't'EPOV ocp' DUX E:.vc(VTL!1. ..
.. 1tW; Ou; ..
.. ouv 't'ocu't'OV EV 'to E"C'Epav \1 "C'(Xu't'c{) nOTE dvo:l.: ..
" OU1< WEA"ijcrEC."
.. EL aPe( 'to E't'E:pOV EV 'tc(lrt'0 (J.'1jDEn:O't'E e:cr't'(Xt., Quokv e:cr't'L QV'twv V
41 eO"d.v '\0 E"CEpOV XfJovov oUOEva. d yci:p ov'nvou'l Et'l) ',1 eXELvov
av -r:av Xpovov E:V "t'CXUT41 d1) 1:0 E"t'EpOV. DUX ..
.. ou't'wt;;:'
" 0' OOOE1tO't'E E'I -re{} CJ't'LV. QUOi7tQ't'E EV T['V!. "rWV QY'tWV exv
Er'l] 'n) 't'EP0'J."
" &A1)lHj."
" '" - ", " -. \' 'tl6'" '.1 ..
.. OUT cxpa. EV (.L1J EV OU't'E e:v 't'!l e:vt. EVE[."1j OCV t"o e:'tepov.
.. ou yocp oD'J."
" oux ocprx 't4l E'tep':l y' ocv er." 't'e tv 'tC-'N EV ouoe 't'oc E'J 'toD
&-c-epoc."
.. ou yelp."
"ouoe fL"ijv E"'U"tO', ye hep' ocv et1) &'AA"ijAOlV, fL"ij fLe"t"xov"t'" "toO h"pou."
.. 7tW; yelp; ..
" El oe fL"fJ't'E &'t'e:po: eO''tt. ou 7telv't'{j &;v
.,peuyo, "t" fLTJ ""tEP'" ELV"', &AA"ijAOlV: "
" EXCPEUyOt.."
" &noc fLTJv ouoe "toO <.vo, yE fLE"t"XE' "tOC fLTJ <'J" ou yocp ocv fLTJ EV
O:AA!i 1tn !Xv E'J
"
.. ouo' av e: "I) OCpo:. 'toc EV' ouSe: ya.p av OU'tw f.L-f) EV
7to:.v't(btocm,v, O:pt.&(.LOV ye: ixov't'oc."
" ou yeip OUv."
" 'tL Se; 't'OC fL-f) EV 't'oO a:pa. p.6pt.oc EO''tt.V; xriv olhw !J.e:'te:IXe -coO
EVer; 'tei p.7J V: ..
.. fLE-ceIXe:v."
Text and Translation: 146d-147a
143
"Consider this: are not 'the same' itself and 'the different' opposires
of each or her?"
- "Of course."
"Then will 'the same' ever be willing to be in 'the different', or 'the
different ' in 'rhe same'?"
- "1 will not."
"So if'the different' is never to be in 'the same'. rhen 'the different' is
in none of the 'things that are' at any rime, for if it were in anything e
for any time whatsoever, then for that rime 'the different' would be in
the same. Isn't ir so?"
- "It is so,"
"Bur since it is never in 'the same', ' the different' would never be in
anyone among the 'things that are ...
-"True."
"So 'the different' would neirher be in the things 'not-one'. nor in the
" one .
- "No. it would not."
"Thus, judged against 'rhe different', the one would neither be different
from the things 'not-one, nor would the things 'not-one' be diFferent
from the one."
-UNo."
"Nor would they be different from each other by rhemselves, if they '47
do not partake of 'what is different'."
- "Obviously not."
"But if they are nor different by themselves. nor by ' what is different',
wouldn't they then completely avoid being different from each other?"
- "They would."
"But neirher do the rhings 'not-one' partake of the one, for then rhey
be 'not-one', but in some way one."
- True.
"So neither could the things 'not-one' be a number, for if they had a
number they would thus not at all be 'not-one'."
- "Certainly not."
"What about this: are the things 'not-one' parts of the one? Or would
they partake of the one in this way?"
- "They would."
b
c
d
144
Plato's Parmenides
.. El. eXpct 1ttXV'tf) TO f.L&V \1 :<JTL. TeX. OE iv. OUT' iv f.LOptOV fJ.-r, BV
'to E'J dot) OU'tE aAD'J f.L0pLW\I!l7 OU't'E IXU LeX e'l 'tOU EVOr; !-LOPLCl:, OUTE
QAct 00:; EvL"
" DU yeip."
.. liAAa. fl-ljv "<P"'flEV Ta. fl-ljTE flOPL'" fLf;TE OA'" fLf;TE hEP'" T(1,ha.
"OE(1)(1'
Eqla.!J.EV yeip."
.. cpWf.LEV OCpa. XOCI. 'r0 \1 1tpO.; TO:. \1 Qu"nu; EXav 'Co (Xu't'o dVOCL ctU't'OLr;: ..
" cpw/-L!tv."
.. TO V O:p(.(, O{.XEV, 't'EPOV 'rE 't'wv &'J..AW\I EO"'dv XIX!. ECXUTOG XIX!.
't'ClU't'OV ExdvOLr; -rE XCXI. Eo:.U't'<il."
.. XLVOUVe:UEL c.pOCL'JEOSo:.L EX ye -roD ).,6you."
"1\p' 00\1 X(l.L oiJ.ot,ov -rE: XOCI. civofJ.oWV 'rE xo:L TOlC;; cXAAOLC;: "
.. LCHa)';."
.. yaDv (TEPO') TWV eX)..AWV icptiv'r;. XCXL TtX)..A6; 1'[OU e:'t'EP' a.v EXElVOU
Et"'l."
.. 't'L ..
.. ouxoOv OUTW'; E't'EpOV -rwv OCAAwV. Wa1tEp Ked. TelA/,et exdvou. xC(I. olhe:
OUTe: "
.. d "'{eXp !Xv: ..
.. Et fl-ljTE fl&AAOV fl-ljTE 0flo[w . "
.. vocL"
ouxoOv fI E'tepov tlvoc!. 1tE1tO'J&tV 't'w'J <XAAWV xoct 'tiXAAOC exELvou
6Jaocu't'w;. 't'Clurn Tcxlt'rov a.'J 1tt1tovDo'tcx e:lE'J -r:o Tt EV xcxt
"t'OCAAlX -r:4i E:vL"
.. ..
"WOE' EXrJ:O'-r:OV 't'wv OVO/J-oc-r:wv oux e1t[ 't'!.V!. ..
. Eywye."
.. Tt OVV; 'to ocu't'O QVO!-'-CX e:t1tO!.t; !lV iCAEovlixtt; 1j
.. Eywye."
87 !'-0p[OlV corr. Yen. 189: !'-op[ou BT.
Text and Translation: 147b-d
145
"So if it is" one in every way, and they are 'nOt-One in every way, the
one would be neither a part of the things 'not-one', nor a whole with
them as parts; conversely, the things 'not-onc would neither be parts
of the one, nor whales of which the one would be a part."
-"No."
"Bur we said that things that are neither parts nor wholes nor different
from each other will be the same as each other."
- "Yes. we said that."
"So are wc to say that the one, related in this way to the things 'not-
one', is the same as they are?"
"L ' "
- ets say so.
"Consequently, the one, as it seems, is both different from the others
and from itself, and the same as the others and as itself'
b
- "It appears this way from this account."
c
LIKE/UNLIKE
"Then it is also both like and unlike itself and the others?"
"P h " - er aps.
"At any rate, since it was shown to be different from the others, the
others would somehow also be different from it."
- "Certainly."
"So is it different from the others in the same way as the others are
different from it, and neither more nor less?"
- "Of course."
"So if neither more nor less, then in a similar way?"
-"Yes."
"Then insofar as it has been so affected as to be different from the
others, and they, similarly, to be different from it, the one would be
affected in the same way as the others, and they in the same way as it." d
- "What do you mean?"
"The following: don't you apply each of the names [you use) to some-
thing in particular?"
-"} do."
"Would you use the same name more than once or [just} once?"
- "I would."
88 'Exis[s': There is an ambiguity here as co whether the sense is predicative or
existential.
e
b
Plato's Parmenides
, .",
.. 1t(),!:EPOV ouv i:i<v l'Ev &1tI1; hOLVO ou"op oern
-rouvo!J.CX. E:tX\I oE 7tOAAOCY-L;. aux :XELVO; eOC'J't'E EOCV"Ct 1tOAAO:Y..!.C;
't"O:'I1;OV OVOl'O: cpIMy;n. (bocyx"I) ero 't"O:lhov xo:l AiYOLV rio[; "
.. -rL t!-f)v: ..
" ouxouv x.oct 'to E't'EpOV O\lO/-LeX EO't'lV E1tt 'reNt.; ..
.. TtcX.vu ye,"
" O't'IXV ocpoc OCU't'O cpSiyyn. O:V"CE EcX.V't'E itOA)..OCY..t.C;. DUY.. E1t '
ouSE iiAAo n EXOLVO ou"op 1,v 0'l01''''.''
. civciyx"tj."
.. 0't""''1 Si] Aiywl'ov on hopov l'!:v 't"ocAA'" 't"ou hopov SE 't"o ev
't"wv iiAAwv. Sle; 't"o hopov eL"oV't"oe; ouSEv n l'iiAAov ,,' iiAAn. riAA' i:,,'
i:xdvn 't"iJ cpueroL ",u't"o riel AiyOl'ov. ljv 't"OU'lo[-lCX."
, \ 't"
.. 1t(x:vu iJ.EV QU".
" \ ., ,';"1. '\ , , ." 0'90
.. &.poc E't'EpOV "CWV OCA)..(iN "to E'J XOC!. 'rOCfl./l.OC TOU e:voc;. x.CX'C" rI.,U-;O "t' A
't:pov 7tE1tovSivClL oUY. a.A)..O, OCAAO: 'to (lU"CO OC'J 1tE1tOVSOC; '['0 EV "COLC;
oc)..) ..at.C;' 'to Si 1tQU 't'ClU't'OV 1tE1tOV'&OC; O(J.OLOV OUX
t
: ..
" vocL."
.. n Si] TO E'.I &'t'EPOV 't'WV OCAACJlV 1t:1tOVSEV dVClt.. Ka."C' CXtJ'tO 't'ou'to oc1ta:v
.1 ..."" ,t , .". \"
OC7to:.cn.v 01-10LOV OCV ELl}' a:7tClV ycxp OC1tOCV'CWV E't'EpOV EO'"t!'II.
" eO!.XEV."
, , ,,, - , "H' '"
" 1\1.1.0: l'1JV 't"0 yo Ol'OLOV 't"' O:'JOl'O'' o'l",vnov.
" vocL"
.... " " 6' 6 IJ' "
" OUXOUV xa.1. "to E"tEpOV -
.. XOCL "tolrt"o."
.. (1:).,}.2I:. I-'--f)V Xa.L "tou"to y t icpocV"fj. WC; cXpa. "to ev "tOtC; cX}.)..ot.c; "tocu"tO\l,"
.. ECPOCV"f) yocp."
.. tOU\lCX\l'["tOV Si yE EO'"tL "to d\lO:c. '["o:u't"OV 'tOt; cX}.).o(.c; E'tEpO\l
eLV"'L 't"wv iiAAwv."
.. itOC\lU YE,"
.. yE E"tEPOV, 01-'-0C.O\l e:<pocv"fj,"
.. vaL"
89 f,J -/j B: T:., vulg.
90 )(.17;r' IXU't'O 't'o Thomson: y.oc't'O:. 't'ClV't'O BT.
91 't'<{l B: 't'wv OCVO/-Lo[w'J T.
92 in marg. T: BT.
Text and Translation; 147d-148b
147
"Then if you use it once, would you be speaking of the thing of which
it is the name, but if you use it many times, would you not be speaking
of it? Or rather, isn't it necessary, fcganJl css of wherher you use the
same name once Of many times, to always speak of the same thing?"
- "To be sure."
"Then isn't 'the different' a name for something in particular?"
- "Certainly."
"So when you pronounce it, whether once or many times, you do not
apply ir to some other thing, nor name something other than that thing
of wh ich it is rhe name."
- "Necessarily."
"When we say 'the others are different from the one' and 'rhe one is
different from the others', though we say 'different' twice, we do nor
apply it instead to some orher nature, bur always to that nature whose
.. "
name Lt LS.
- "Of course."
"So, insofar as the one is different from the others, and the others
from the one, with regard to being so affected as to be different, the
one would be affected in such a way as to be "at other than the others
but the same as them. And that which is affected in the same way is
presumably alike, is ir not?"
-"Yes."
"So insofar as the one is so affected as to be different from the others.
in that respect ir would be entirely like them all. because it is entirely
different from them all."
- "So it seems."
"Yet, on the other hand. 'the like' is opposite to 'the unlike."
_ClYes."
"So also 'the different' to 'the same."
- "That also."
"But this too was shown: that the one is the same as the others."
- "Yes, it was."
"But being the same as the others is the opposite qualification to being
different from rhe others."
- "Certainly."
"Insofar as the one is different, it was shown to be like."
- "Yes."
e
b
c
d
Plato's Parmenides
.. fl ocpo: 't'ocur:ov, riVO(.LO(.QV CJ't'oc!. )(oc't'oc 't'ouvocv-rt..ov miSo:; 0V-0(.QUV'tl,
w(J.oLou oE 7tOU 'to 't'EpOV; "
..
I <J , ., ... ,. ,,, 'rf:. ..
.. CXV0(J.olwae:L IXpOC "rO "'C'IXU"t'O'J, 1) DUX e:VOC'J'tLQV E:O"t'OCt. EL' ... p,:),
.. e:ot.xe:'J,"
.. 0(.10(,0\.1 a.poc XOCL ciVO!-,-OLOV eO''t'ocL 'to E'V Tot; cXAAOLC;. fJ (.Le\! 't'e:pav.
O!-LOLOV, -n OE 't'ocu'tO',1, riv6(J.Otov."
.. tXEt yocp OUV 01). WC;; EOLXe:V, xcxi 't'Otou-rQV t..oyov."
.. xo:t ya.p 'to\loe: EXEL."
.. "('L\la:; ..
.. n TIXUTOV 1te:1tovlk, fLlJ clAAoi:ov 1tE1tOVSiVIXL, fLlJ clAAOLO') 3, 1tE1tovSOC;
civ6!1-
0LO
\l, !.Lit IiV0!-lOLO'J oE oflO!.oV e:LVoct: on O OC)."AO 7tE7tOVSEV, d;)..)..otov,
ci)..)..OLOV oE ov ciVO(J.OLO'V e:LVClL."
.. Aiy"c;."
.. 'tClU't'OV LE cipo: QV 'to EV -rOLe; cXA)..ot.C; x.oc!. o'n E't'EPOV eO'''C't., XCl't"
O:tJ.cpO"t'EPOC xo:.t xocS' E:Xti'tEpOV. ojJ.0(.6v 't'E a.v EL1j x.oi OC\lO(J.OLOV 't'oi::;
OC)..AOL;;."
.. 1tcivu ye,"
.. ouxoOv XIX!. E:ocu't'tTl waClU't'w::;;. trr.d.rrEp E't'EpO\l "t'e: EiXU'tOU XiXt 'tctu'tov
ecpavYJ. Y..ct't" titJ.cpO"CEpct y.cxt Xct't'oc e:Y..a't'Epov 0l-l0tov 't'E y.a..t
civ6(LOLOV cpctV-fjO'E'tiXt.; "
.. tivci:YX"tJ,"
.. Tt SE S-;'; 1te:pt 'toO ihc'tE:OSilt. 'to EV il\J"t'OG XOCL 't'wv OCAAWV xilt 'tOU
OC1t't'Ea3-ocL 1tipt. EXe:L, O'X01tEL,"
.. axo1tw,"
.. ctu'to yo:p 1tOU EV e(xu'ti;l OA'!l 'to EV icpav1) oV,"
..
.. OUXOU'J Xilt EV 'to e'J; ..
.. va..L"
Text and Translation: 148b-d
149
"So insofar as it is the same, it will be unlike, according to the opposite
qualification to the qualification that makes it like. So somehow 'the
different' made it like?"
_ "Yes,"
"So 'the same' will make it unlike; orherwise, it will not be opposite
to 'the differenr'."
- "So it seems," c
"Consequently, the one will be like and unlike the others-insofar as
it is different, [it isJ like, and insofar as it is the same, unlike."
- "Yes, it does indeed seem to admit of this sort of account."
"And also of this one."
- "Which one?"
"Insofar as it has been so affected as to be 'the same', it has been affected
so as to be 'not of anorher kind'; and if it has been affected as being
'not of anorher kind', it is 'not unlike'; and if'nor unlike', it is 'like'. But
insofar as it has been so affected as to be 'other', it has been affected so
as to be 'of anorher kind'; and ifit is of 'another kind', it is 'unlike'."
- "You speak the truth."
"Thus, since the one is the same as the others, and [alsoJ different,
in both ways and in either way, it would be both like and unlike the
others,"
- "Of course." d
"And it will be so, in exactly the same way, in regard to itself: since it
was shown to be both different from itself and the same as itself, in
both ways and in either [way], won't it be shown [Q be both like and
unlike itself?"
- "Necessarily,"
IN CONTACT/NOT IN CONTACT
"And what about this? Consider the question whether the one is in
contact and not in contacr with itself and with the others."
- "Very well."
"For the one was shown to be somehow in irself as a whole."
- "That's right."
"Isn't the one also in the others?"
- "Yes,"
c
'49
b
Plato's Parmenides
!-lE" ocpoc :V aAAot..:;. 'rWV OCAAWV cX7t't'ot:ro ocv' fJ OE: octJ-r6 EV
'tOO\! fJ-e:v ri.).) .. wv cbrdpyoL't'O OC7t't'EO'.flOCt., !XLI''CO oe o:trroG OC1tTOt:t'O a.v EV
E:!Xu"t'4> QV."
.. cpOCLVE,,-OC!. ...
.. ou'nll !J.EV OC1tTot:ro a'J 'to EV octrroG 't"E XO:L 'tW'J OCAACiJV."
.. !l1t't'OL't'O,"
.. Tloe T"ij1lE; <xp' ou ltiiv TO fLEAAOV &<jJEal)",l TL'IO, OEL y.ELal)""
00 P.E).Ae:L tl.1tTEa&o:t.. 't'OCU'L"I)v T-r;V EOpOCV xa:rl:.xov av IJ-E't"
Exd\l"fJv '1193 ft'4 &.\1 XEl]'t'IXt., X7t't'E'tOCt; ..
.. ciVOCYKIJ"
.. y'",C TO ev &p'" EL fLEAAEt "'UTO "'UTOU &<jJEal)"", OEL EUl}U, fLEl)'
,.. , , ,..,.. 9<;'" , ,.. "
EIXU't'O XEtcrf}OCt., 't"fJV e:xo!J.E\rIJV X.WpOC'J xa:rEXOV EV Yl o:.U't'O eo't'l.v.
.. od yao auv."
. , ..
.. ouy-oOv ouo flE:V QV 'Co ev 1tot.1jae:!.Ev OCV 't'ClCrro: XO:L EV OUOLV x,wpoct.'1 OC!L
IX
yiVOL't'O' e:w:; 0' ocv -n EV. OUX ..
. ' .. ""
, oU Y"'P OUV.
.. TJ "'UTl] a.p", oc'J<iyy.1J T0 evc ouo .Iv"" fLTJTE <TEal)"" ""J"
r
0
ocv'tou,"
.. ClU-r1)."
.. ocAA' ouoe fLl]v ThlV !J.AA(ilV &<jJET""."
-rL "
.. o"n, CPOC(.LEV, TO fLEAAO'J ov SEt e:tVOCf. 00
fLEAAEt &<jJEal)"", Tphov oe: "'UThlV EV fLEal{' fL1Joev ELV"',."
.. OCA1Jl}1j."
.. 8uo OCplX Sd TO o")..[Yf.O"-r:ov dVIXf., ,d !J.EAAEf. cit.Vf.t; dvlXf.."
.. Se:t."
.. Oev oe: -rocv ouOtV opo,v TPCTOV ec*. "'UTOe fLev Tpl'"
EO''t'IXf., ocL SE Suo."
.. "Ja..L"
93 -n gSP'" BT: 'Spo: om. Bekker: gSpo:v Heindorf.
94 B:7] T.
95 ev T: om. B.
r
Text and Translation: 148d-149b
151
"Then insofar as it is in rhe orhers, ir would be in comacr wirh rhe
others, but insofar as it is in itself, ir would be prevemed from being
in comact wirh the others, and, being in itself, would be in comact
with itself."
- "Apparemly."
"Thus the one would be in comact with itself and with rhe others."
- "It would."
"What abour this: must nor everything that is to comact something
lie adjacem to that which it is to contact, occupying the place that lies
next to what it contacts?"
- "Necessarily."
"And so the one, if it is to contact itself, must lie directly adjacent to
itself, occupying the place contiguous to rhat in which ir itself is."
- "Yes, it muse.))
"Now, if the one were twO ir would do that and it would come to be in
two places simultaneously, bur as long as it is one, it will not?"
- "It will not."
"So by the same necessity the one can neither be tWO nor be in comact
with itself."
"v. b h " - es, y t e same .
"But neither will it be in comact with the others."
_"Why?"
"Because, as we said, what is to contact [something] must, while being
separate, be next to what it is to comact, and there muSt be no third
thing between them."
_UTrue."
"So rhere must be at least two things if there is to be contact."
- "There muse."
"But if to the two terms a third is added in succession, they will be
three, yet their [poims of] contact will be two."
-"Yes,"
e
149
b
c
d
152
Plato's Parmenides
" 1<'" 0\)'<'" aY) ocd EVOC; 7tpoerYLyvofLivou iJ-'Cl XCl' &<jILC; 7tpocry[yve'tClL.
XCl' '<<i<; &<jIw; 'tou 7tA-i]l}OU:; 'to'" ocPLl}iJ-W" iAOt't'tOUC;
elvoct. yocp Ta: TCPWTOC 8uo E:1tAEOVEX't'"1JO'E -CWV e:l.:; "to 1tAdw
eLvoct. "Co..., cipc.-9!-,-o'J 't'OCC;; LO'if> 'CQu't't:> xoc!. 6 E1tEt:COC cipI.S/J-0:;
mic; 7tClerWV 'twv &<jIe:",v 7tAe:OVe:X'te:l. y<ip 'to Aomov &iJ-Cl EV 'te: 'to
ocPLl}fL0 7tpoery'yve:'tClL XCl' fL'Cl &<jILC; 'tClLC; &<jIe:crLV."
" opl}w<;."
.. 00'0:. eXpex EO"'dv 't'oc QV't'Cl 'tov ocPt.Sflov, tiEL OCL cXtEL:; EAcX't''tOU'; Eta!.v
- H
ocu't'wv.
" OCA1)l}-ij."
" et ai ye: EV fLoVOV I;er't[, ou<ic; 0" fL-f( ecr'tLv. &<jIL:; oox ,xv
.. yeip; ..
oUY..ouv. cpa.fLEV. 'to: cXJ...ArJ. 'toO EVO:; OU"t'E EV eO"t[.v out': (J.E't'EXEL ClU't'OU,
e:L1tEP eXAAoc ECJ"d:v."
.. ou yeip."
.. , "l! 'J6' (\ " ",\ i ," <) 7 '
DUX ocpa. c.veCI't'I.'J cx.pf.17!J.OC; E'I 'rOLe; OCI\I\Ot..:;, EVO':; !1-1') EVOV't'O:; EV
, ..
cw't'ot.::;.
.. 7t(;)::; ycx.p; "
.. OU"C" apoc e:v io"C'L 'to: clAAOC OU1:'E Suo OtJ-re: OCA),.OU ciptS!J.oU r:x.0v'toc ovop.cx
ouSev,"
" ....
ou .
.. 't'o ev cipo: !J.OVOV EO"dv EV. xoct oucXC; aux a.') e:LlJ"
.. OU rpOCLVE"CCXL."
.. &<jILC; lipCl OUX ;:er'tL aUOLV iJ-Y) OV'tOLV."
" aux to''tLV.''
.. olh' ocpoc 'to &\1 'tW\I OCAAW\I &7t't'tOCl OU't 'toc 'toO E\lOC;. E1te[1tp
".1. '" "
OC'ft.e; QUX eO",[,l\l.
.. OU ya.p OU\I."
.. OU't(J) X(x:tOC mX\I'tcx 'to &'1 r;wv 'tE OC)..AWV XO:L E(]'U'tOU ,bt't'E't'CXL
'tE xcxt otrx. !%1t'tE1'OCt. ...
" " "
eOLXltV.
"}\.p' aov XCXL La-OV EO'1't xo:t (Xu1'{!l 1'E Y..o:t 1'oie; "
"nwe;; ,.
96 VEaTLV b: '.1 EO''t'LV BT.
97 hov't"o::; b: EV Qv't'or; B: ov't"o::; T.
Text and Translation: 149b-d
153
"Thus always when one is added, one [point of) contact is added as
well, and it follows that the [poi nts of) contact are always fewer by
one than the multitude of the units. For every succeeding number of
terms exceeds the number of contactS by just as much as the first two
terms exceeded the number of contacts. So thereafter, at the same time
both a one is to the number and one [point of) contact is added
to [he contacts.
- "That's right."
"So however many the things are in number, the contacts are always
fewer than they are by one."
-"True."
"But if there is only one, and not two, there would be no contacl."
- "How could there be?"
"So let uS say that the things other than one neither are one nor do
they partake of it, if indeed they are other."
- "No, indeed."
"So number is not contained in the others, since onc is not in then1.'''JR
- "Of course not."
"So the others are neither one nor two, nor do they have the name of
any other number."
-No."
"So the one alone is one, and it would not be a pair."
- "Apparently not."
"So there is no [point of) concact, since there is no duality."
- "There is no[."
"Therefore, the one is not in contact with the others, nor the others
with the one, since in fact there is no contact."
- "No, certainly not."
"So according to all of this, the one is both in contact and not in con-
tact, both with the others and with itself."
- "So it seems."
EQUAL/UNEQUAL-LARGENESS/SMALLNESS
"Is it then both equal and unequal to itself and to the others?"
- "Haw so?"
98 Again. the lesson m(stin instead of was chosen.
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Qu-rE: Tt. othe: Tt eAoc't'TW <Xv d1') aUTcxt.; yE TOC1.J-rIXt.:; "['(tLt;
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fL"YEltO<; 1CpoaEt1]. av d1], <i> oE EAO:"O'I; "
.. chniyxYJ."
.. OU)(oOV Ecrrov yi
lOO
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, \" \ " , , '''1 ,\,''\ " \' - -;
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iYYLyvolalt1]v."
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cx.u"C'ou E\ltL"I)."
.. civO:yxl}."
.. 't'L S' Et V en+'(vol.'t'o; DuXt El; ioou clV -re:> evt OL' OAOU octrcou
-rETtX!J.EV1J :t'1j Yj 7tEpttXOUOtX o:u't'o; ..
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1CEpLixovao: OE "
.. 1tWC;; 8' OU; "
" OVVO:,OV OUV afLLXp6'1]'0: '0"1)'1 ''l' elVO:L nv6<;. xo:t 1Cp,i"t"tELV
yE ," fLEy.:ltov<; "tE xo:t ta6'"1J'0<;, cin" fL-fJ ," EO:V-r'ij<;; "
.. ciouvtX't"ov."
.. EV tJ.E:\I cipo: 'ti;l EVi. DUX a;v tl-Ij O'!J.LXpO-rIjt:; , ci)..,)'" e:t1tEp. EV (.LEPEL."
.. vocL"
.. ouoi
lOI
yE EV 7tavt'L O:U t'i;l !J.EpEL e:L Oe: (.L-ft. "C'ocu'tcX 7tOL-f]O'f:L !l7tEP 7tpO;
'to 8)..ov to1') (Jt'OCI.-ry l!dt:wv 'tOU (J.EpOUt:; v ocv ciEL (Vn."
.. )\'1O:Y)CI}."
OUSEVL 7tO'tE cipo: E\lE(J'tO:L "C'WV QVt'WV (.L-f]t" \1 ll-epEL
0'1 OA'l' iYYLyvofJ.iV1] OUO" n l'a,O:L afLLxpov 1CA-fJV o:urij<; afLLxp6'"1J'O<;."
.. OUX OLXEV."
99 -ro Par. 1810: BT.
100 yi al.: -ri BT.
IOl ou8i G. Hermann: oun: B: oun T.
Text and Translation: 14ge-150b
155
"If rhe one were larger or smaller than the mhers, or rhe orhers in rum
larger or smaller rhan the one, then surely rhe one by being one, and
rhe orhers by being other rhan rhe one, would be neirher larger nor
smaller than each orher, by virtue of their own being? Bur if bot h of
rhem, in addition to their being of rhis SOrt, [alsoJ possessed equality,
they would be equal to each other. And, if the orhers had largeness and
rhe one had smallness, or, if rhe orhers had smallness and the one had
largeness, whichever Form had largeness added to ir would be larger,
and whIchever had smallness added re ir would be smaller?"
"N '1 " - ecessan y.
"So rhen there are rhese rwo Forms, largeness and smallness? For if
somehow they were nor rwo, they would not be opposire to each other,
and would nor come to be in the 'rhings thar are'."
- "No. How could rhey?"
"So, if smallness comes to be in the one, ir would be either in the whole
of ir or in part of it."
- Necessarily,"
"Whar if ir were to come to be in the whole' Would ir not be in rhe
one either by being extended equally rhroughour the whole of it, or
by comaining ir?"
- "Clearly."
"And if smallness were present equally rhroughout the one, wouldn't
ir be equal to it, but if it contained rhe one, be larger?"
- "Of course."
"So can smallness be equal to something or larger rh an something,
and perform the tasks that belong to largeness and equality, but not
[the tasks] that belong to itselF'
- "Impossible."
"So smallness could nor be in rhe one as a whole, bur if indeed it is in
the one, ir would be in a part of it."
_ uYes."
"But, again, nor in all that part. Otherwise, it will do the same [tasks}
as ir did in regard to the whole: in each case it will be equal to or larger
than the part it is."
"N '1 " - ecessan y.
"Therefore. smallness will never be in any of the things that are, nei-
ther coming to be in a part nor in a whole. Nor will anything be small
except smallness itself."
- "Apparently not."
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..
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ouoE O'flcxp0"l<; aAAou eAo:nov "v'rou
.. ou yO:p."
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eXDv'toc, OU't'E cxu-rw 't'OLI"t'W 1tpo:; 'Co t'J eXE:r:ov aU"OCf.LLV
1:0U lJ1tepexECV ""et lJ1tepexeO'So:c. "AM 1tpo<; OU1:, /XU 1:0
EV 'rOU1:o", ouSE 1:WV iJ.AAwv ;Xv ouS' ;:Ao:no', eh;, lJ-eyeSo<;
O'fl,xpo'r'Y)1:" exov."
.. ouxouv C(JIlLvE't'OCL YE,"
.. ap' 00'11. Et jIr,'t'E eAcn"rov 'to EV "Cwv cX).AW\I, avocyx'fJ OCll'tO
iXEL"ON lJ1tEP"XECV ll1tepiXEO'Sac; .
.. tiVO:YX"f),"
.. ouxoOv 1:0 yE l)1tep"xo', U1tEpEXOflEVOV 1tOAA'ij
tcrov d'JCXL. ; (O'ou oe QV rao'l e1Vcx.L."
yil:p ou; ..
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E
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1tcX'oIU /-Ltv ouv."
'to EV a.poc E:ocu-rti> -rE XCXl 'to'i:C; OCA/.,OI..C; roov ocv e:t1')."
.. CPOCtVE'tOCt.."
.. XOCL tJ.-1JV cxu-ro yE '01 ECXU't'ti> QV XOCl 1tEpl Ecx.U'tO &.'.1 Et"f) Xa.l
Tte:PLtXO'J !lEV a.v ECXU'tOU e:t'1l. oe: Acx:r-rov, Xa.L o(hw
ClV XOCL EAOCT'tOV Er'lJ OCUTO EOCU'tOU 'to ev."
.. d1J yap ocv."
.. ouxoOv Xa.L 'tooe: tivO:YX"I]. p:']OE:V dVOCL 'toO evot;. 'tE XOCl 'tWV
aAAwv; ..
.. 7tWC; yc1.p OU; "
Text and Translation: 150c-151a
157
"So largeness will not be in it either. For ifit were. there would be some
other thing [besides largeness itself]. namely, that in which largeness
is-and this without smallness being present in it too [i.e., in the
one], which largeness must exceed if indeed il is to be large. But this
is impossible. since smallness is not present in anything."
-"True."
"But largeness itself is not larger than anything other than smallness
itself, nor is smallness smaller than anything other than largeness itself."
- "No, they are not."
"So the others are neither larger nor smaller than the one. since they
have neither largeness nor smallness. Nor do these two themselves [i.e .
largeness and smallness] have the capacity of either exceeding or being
exceeded in relation to the one. but [only] in relation to each other.
Nor, again. could the one be larger or smaller than the others. since ir
has neither largeness nor smallness."
- "No, evidently not."
"So if the one is neither larger nor smaller Ihan the others. it musr
neither exceed them nor be exceeded by them?"
- "Necessarily."
"Now. what neither exceeds nor is exceeded mUSt by necessity be even
and since it is even throughout. it is equaL"
- "Certainly."
''And the one would also be so in relation to itself: having neither large-
ness nor smallness in itself, it would neither exceed irself, nor be exceeded
by itself, but being equal throughout. it would be equal to itself."
- "Absolutely."
"Therefore the one would be equal to irself and to the others."
"'A I " - pparent y.
"However. the one. being in itself, would also be around itself on the
outside; and containing itself. it would be larger rhan ilself; yet being
comained. it would be smaller; and Ihus it would be both larger and
smaller that itself."
- "Yes. it would be."
"And isn't this also necessary: that there be nothing outside the one
and the orhers?"
- "No doubt."
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.. v!XL"
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't'E XlXt clAAOLt; x.cx't'oc 't'ocu-rcX."
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" ou't'w;."
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xoci. 1tAELOVt)V XOCL E1tEL8-l] Se f.LE"CpWV, xoct !lpWV; "
Text and Translation: lSla-d
"Bur surely what is must always be somewhere."IO'
- Yes."
159
"Then won't that which is in something be in something larger [than
itself], since it is smaller? Otherwise, one thing could not be in another
thing."
- "No. ir could not,"
"Since there is nothing else apart from the others and the one, and
since rhey must be in something, muSt they nor forthwith be in each
other-the others in the one and the one in the others-or else be
nowhere at all?"
- "Apparently."
"So because the one is in the others, the others would be larger than
the one, since they contain it, and the one would be smaller than the
others, since it is contained. But because the others are in the one, by
the same account the one would be larger than the others, whereas the
others [would bel smaller than the one."
- "So it seems."
"Therefore the one is equal to, and larger and smaller than, both itself
and the others."
- "Evidently."
"And if in fact it is larger and smaller and equal, it would be of equal,
and more, and fewer measures than itself and the others, and since of
measures, also of parts."
- "Of course."
"So since it is of equal and more and fewer measures, it would also be
fewer and more in number than itself and the others, and, in the same
respect, equal to itself and to the others."
-"Haw so?"
"It would somehow have more measures than the things it is larger
than-having as many measures as parts-and in like manner, less
than those it is smaller than, and in the same respect, equal to those
it is equal with."
"J " - ust so.
"Then, since it is larger and smaller than and equal to itself, would it
not be of equal and more and fewer measures than itself? And since
of measures, also of parts?"
102 This claim and the one in the next line! are assumed by Cornford to be
restatemems of Gorgias' arguments in Aristotle, MXG 979b22 (Plato and
Parmmides, 148-149).
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.. civocyxYj."
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(J't'EXO'l; ..
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.. '/rx.L"
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.. 1tcX\lU YE."
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.. vrx.L"
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xpovov,"
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yLyVE"tIXt.; "
.. [.LE[.LV-IJ[.LESo:."
Text and Translation: 151d-152a
- "Of course."
"So being of parts equal to itself, il would be equal to itself in multitude,
and ifit consists of more parts, it would be more than itselfin number,
and if of fewer. it would be less?"
- "Apparently."
"Now, will nor the one also relate similarly to the others? Because if
it appears larger than they, must it nOI also be more than they are in
number; and because it appears smaller, fewer; and because it appears
equal in largeness, then also equal to Ihe others in quantity?"
- "Necessarily."
"And so once again, as it seems, the one will be equal, and more, and e
fewer, in number than itself and the others."
- "tr will."
CODA
TIME-OLDER, YOUNGER, SAME AGE
"So does the one also partake of time? Is it, and does it come to be,
both younger and older than itself and than the others, and neither
younger nor older than either itself or Ihe others, if it partakes of time?"
"H d ,,,
- ow 0 you mean.
"If indeed the one is, then 'to be' belongs to it in some way."
-"Yes."
"Bur is 'the to be' anything else but the partaking of being together
with 'time present', just as 'the was' is communion with being together 152
wirh 'rime past'. and, again. 'rhe will be' is communion wirh being
togerher with crime to come'?"
- "Yes, ir is."
"So ir partakes of rime, ifin fact ir also partakes of being."
- "Certainly."
"Of lime moving forward?"
-"Yes."
"So it always comes to be older rh an irself. if indeed ir moves forward
in accordance with rime,"
- "Necessarily,"
"Now, we recall rhar the older comes CO be older rhan that which comes
to be younger?"
-"We do."
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" ouxoO" 1tpea(3{1'rEpOV ea.uTou yf.YVETCU. 'to \1, vEoo't'epou eXv
YLyvOiJlvou eotu'tou y'YVOL'tO; "
" !XvciyxT)."
.. yLyVE'ttxl. 0-,) ve6)'repov "rE XOCL cxu't'oO ou'nu;."
vcxL"
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DU
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..
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'tou Y'YVEal}otL "ott oern 'to'tE
..' 'f It
1tOCVU (J.V OUV,
otnwuv Oll7tEP eyLYVE'tO "C'Qu't'OU xoct EO''T:f.,'J' iyLyVE't'O Sk
ct.U'tou; ..
. vcx.L."
.. oa'tL SE 'to vEW'tipou "
.. EO'TLV,"
.. xac.. vew't'Epov apo:. 't'ern: au't'ou EO'''Ct. "Co iv. o'tocv 1tPEO'(1U't'EPOV
YLYV0fJ.EVO'J EV'tUXn 'to vuv."
.. OCVOCYK"t}."
.. 'to yE VUV cid 1tOCPEO''tL EVl OLQ: 1tocv't'oc; 't'ou EIVOC[: EIJ''t'f. yocp cid
VUV O,(OCV1tEP
.. 1tWC; y&:p OU: ..
.. ae:t ocpoc EO'''t't "t'E XOCl yLYVE'tOCf. EOCU'tOU xoct VEW'n:pov -ro
t.v."
.. EOLKEV,"
.. 7tAeLw Se: XPOVOV o:.U"t'O EOCU"t'OU EIJ'''t'f.V yLyVE't'OCL. 'tOV taov; ..
Text and Translation: lS2b-e
"Then, since the one comes to be older than itself, wouldn't it come to b
be older than the self that comes to be younger?"
- "Necessarily."
"Thus it comes to be both younger and older than itself"
-"Yes."
"But it is older, is it not, whenever in coming to be it is in the present
time, between 'the was' and 'the will be'? For as it advances from 'the
before' to 'the afterwards', it will certainly not skip over 'the now'."
- "No, it will not."
"Then does not it cease to come to be older when it comes upon 'the c
now', and then no longer comes to be older, but already is older? For
if it were moving ahead, it could never be seized by 'the now'. For
what moves ahead is in such a state as to COntact both 'the now' and
'the afterwards', letting go of 'the now' and grasping 'the afterwards',
while coming to be between the rwo, 'the afterwards' and 'the now'."
- "True."
"But, if everything that comes to be cannot circumvent 'the now',
whenever something reaches this point, it always ceases coming to be d
whatever it may come to be, and then it is this."
- "Apparently."
'J\nd so, too, with the one: whenever while coming to be older ir comes
upon 'the now', it ceases coming to be older, and then it is older."
- "Of course."
"And therefore it is older than what it was coming to be older than-
and wasn't it coming to be older rhan itself?"
-"Yes."
"And the older is older than a younger?"
-"Iris,"
"So the one is then also younger than itself, whenever in its coming to
be older it comes upon 'the now'."
- "Necessarily."
"But 'the now' always accompanies the one throughout its existence, e
for the one always is now, whenever it is."
- "Of course,"
"Therefore the one always is and comes to be both older and younger
than itself"
- "So it seems."
"Is it or does it come to be, for a longer time than itself, or for an equal
time?"
153
b
c
Plato's Parmenides
.. 'CO'l tcrov."
.. a:A.AOC IJ.-i}v ;;:6\1 ye: toO') Xp6vov ytYVO!-Le:vov 1) QV CltJ't'1}V T,AtY.,tOC'J
eX"'"
.. 1tW; 8' ou; ..
.. 'Co SE rijv ':X.o" OUTe: OU'tE VEWTEPOV Ecr'ttV."
QU yO:p."
.. 'to ev eXPel 'rf.JV raov Xp6vov octrco E:ocu'tc!> Y.CXL ytYV6!J.EVOV xoci QV ou'n:
veC:Yt'EpoV QU't'E EOCU't'OU EO''t"t:V QUOe:
HH
yLYVE-rOCL,"
.. au !-LOt OOY..EL."
".d. Si; T:WV eXAAwv; ..
.. aux exw )..iYEf..V."
. -roSe: ye: eXEt.; 'AEyEt'I, iht. 'tOC OCAf..':J. TOU E'/Q;. e;tite:p 'tEPO: C1't'tV.
tl)'AOC E't'e:pav, 1tAdw Eo"rtv ETEPOV !J.EV yocp QV EV &''1 'f;'J" E'CEPOC
SE ov't'oc 7tAetW evoc; ECrtl. ){oi 1tAi)3o:; OCV Exo!.."
" eXat yocp clV."
,. 1tA"ijl)o<; /le QV cip,l)!-'oO 1tAdovo<; tiv !-'e:-rixo, 'r, "toO h6<;."
.. rtw:; 8' ou; "
-rt ollv: ciptl)!-'oO 'i'T)CJo!-'e:v "tIX 1tAd", yiYVECJl)a.i "tE xa.l ye:yoviva.t
1tPO"tEPO", "tIX <Aoc"",,,,; ..
.. TO: iAO:'t't'W."
.. LO oALyl.CJ't'ov cipcx 7tpw-r:ov' -rOUTO 8' EO'TL TO E'I. reil'; "
.. vocL"
1to:v-rwv OCPCl 'to ev itpw'tov yEyOVE -rwv ocpt.8!J.ov iXQv'twv. EXtt. SE:: xoct
""'1"'1 ' , (1 I " ")) \ ' "i"'l ' '"
'tCXAJ\OC rrIX'nIX CXpt.\7!J.0V. Et.1tep Cl , .0: XIXL f.L"tj CXAAO EC1'tLV.
.. EXEL yelp,"
.. 1tp';'"tov I)i YE. YEYOV;'; 1tPO"tEP0'J yiyOVE. "tIX /le a.AAa. UCJ"tEPO',.
'tll S' UC1't'EpOV yEyOVO't'IX 'JEW't'EPa. -roO 1tpo-repov XlXt
tXV EL1) -rocAAa. VE"'"tEPa. "toO &vo;, "t6 /le ;:V "t';'v "-AA"",."
.. Et"fJ I'llI' ocv."
.. T[ OE:: -roae; ap' IXV El"fJ -ro ev 1tIXP&: CPUO'LV -rT)v IXU't'OU
a.auvIX-rov: ..
.. aauvlX-rov."
" cXAAIX !-,T)'J !-,ip1) yE eXOV "t6 CV. Et I)e xa.l l<.a.l
"tEAEU"tT)v xa.l !-'iCJov."
.. vocL"
103 ou3E: Heindorf: ou't& B.
Text and Translation: lS2e-1S3c
- "An equal time."
"But what comes to be, or is, for an equal [amount of] time is of the
same age,"
- "Of course,"
"And that which is of the same age is neither older nor younger."
- "No."
"So since the one comes to be and is for a time equal to itself, it neither
is nor comes to be younger or older than itself."
- "I don't think so."
"Well, then, what about the others?"
- "I cannot say."
"Bur surely you can say this: those other than the one, if indeed they 153
are different rhings and not il differenr rhing, are more than one. For
if they were a different thing, they would be one, bur being different
things they are more than one and have multitude."
- "Yes, they would."
"And, being a multitude, they would partake of a greater number than
of the one."
- l'Of course."
"And when it comes to number, what shall we say comes to be and has
come [Q be earlier: 'the nlore' or 'the less'?"
- "'The less'."
"So the least [Le., the fewest] comes first, and this is the one, isn't it?"
-"Yes."
"So among all the things that have number, the onc has come to be b
first. And all the others, too, have number, if indeed they are others
and not an other."
- "Yes, they have."
"But what has come to be first, has 1 think, come ro be earlier, and
the others later; and those that have come to be larer are younger than
whar has come to be earlier. And so the others would be younger than
the one, and the one older than the others."
- "Yes, they would."
''And what about this? Would the one have come to be contrary to its
own nature, or is that impossible?"
- "I mpossible." c
"But the one was shown to have parrs, and if parts, then also a begin-
ning, and an end, and a middle."
_1'Yes."
d
e
154
b
166
Plato's Parmenides
" ouxouv mx.v'rwv 1tpw"Cov yLYVE"C'OCL. xo:L \Xu-rou 't'ou xoci.
-r;;(}N OCAACiN, x.cx.t !LE'toc -r1)v 't'OCAAOC 7toc'V't'oc !J.EXPt. -roG
"
.. -rt iJ.-fJv; ..
" xa:, [L-I]v [LOP'" yE -ra:il-r' Elva:, 7tllV-ra: -raAAa: -roil OAOU -rE
xo:t ClU't'O OE eXEtVQ &'1-'-0: 'r-n 't'EAEU-r"fj yEYOVEVrlt. e'J "LE XO:(, o).,OV."
" rp1]crO[LEV yIlp."
.. "t'EAEU't'ij SE ye:, OL!J.OCl.. uO''t'a:rov ytYVE't'oct: 't'oLrr':l S' &!J.oc "Co EV
1tEcpUXe: yLyvEaao:C: wO'-r' EL1tEP livocYX:1J o:tyt'o "(0 ev [.Lij 1tOCpOC cpuaLv
Y'YVEcrlta:" OC[La: -rE),EU-rfj ih YEYOV!X; vcr-ra:-rQV itv -rON OCAAIiN 7tErpUXO,
Y'YVECJ&a:,."
" CPOCt'VE-rC):t.."
.. VEW-rEPOV apoc 't'WV OCAAWV TO V EO''t'L, 't'oc S' rJ..)..).rJ. -roO E:VOC;
,. QU"C'WC; OCD (1.0t CPrltVE't'OCL."
" -re OE 01]; ocpx-l]v OCAAO [LOpO, onoilv -roil EVo, OCAAOU o-rouoilv, i:IlV7tEP
/-lEpOC; OCAAOC l.I.-f] fLEp"fJ, aux. civocyxoiov EV e:lVll.t, ye: QV; ..
.. ocvocyx"fJ."
.. ouxoov 'to EV &(.LOC -rE 7tpw't't:l ytY'JO(.LEV:l yLyvor:r' av xai oc!J.rl
OEU-rOP'1l, xa:, OUOEVO, OC7tOAEL7tE-ra:, -rii>v OCAAIiJV Y'YVQ[L0VIiJV, On7tEp
Civ 1tpoayLyv'Ij't"cu OCV 't'o eaxfJ.'t'ov Ot.EA&OV oAov EV
yEv"f}-caL. OU-CE (J.Eaou OU-CE itPW-COU OU-CE eaxO:.-cou OU-CE liAAOU
cbtoAELcpB-E::V EV -r?} yEvEaEL ...
"
7tcx.aLV lipa -rljv fJ.u-rljv 1)At.xLav LaXEL TO EV. waT' El. !.Llj
7tapoc cpucnv 1tECPUXEV aUTO -ro EV, OU-CE 1tpO-rEPOV OU-CE ua-rEpov -rWV
OCAAC:UV t7:V e:L"Ij. fJ.AA' OCf.LfJ.. xai xa-ro:' -rou-rOV -rOV AOYOV "Co EV
-rWV OCAAWV OU-rE OU-ce: VEW-CEPOV t7:V e:L"Ij. OUoe: "CciAAfJ. -roO
:Voc;;' xa'tO:. Se: 'tOV 7tpoal}Ev -rE xat VEW-CEPOV, XfJ.L 'taAAfJ.
exdvou waatl't'wc;;,"
" 7tO:.vu (J.E::V oov."
" Ea'tL (.LEv ou'tWC; EXov 'tE XfJ.t ye:yov6c;, cXAAO:. "CL ai) 7tEpL 'tou
Y'YVEcr&a:, a:u-ro -rE xa:, VEW-rEPOV -rii>v OCAAIiJ'J xa:, -raAAa:
-roil EVo" xa:, [L1]-rE VEW-rEPOV [L1]-rE Y'YVEcr&a:,; apa: wcr7tEP
7tEpt "Cou dV(J.L, ou-rw XfJ.L 7tEPL -rou yLYVEa-S(J.L EXEL, e:TEPWC;; "
" oux exw AEyELV."
Text and Translation: 153c-154a
'Then doesn't the beginning come first for all things-both for the one
itself and for each of the others-and after the beginning. everything
else as well until the end?"
- "Certainly."
"Furthermore, we shall say that all these others are parts of the whole
and of the one, and that this itself.-as one and whole-has come to
be concurrently with the end."
- "Yes. we shall."
"I take it that the end comes co be last. and oneness by nature comes
to be concurrently with it. So if indeed the one itself must not come
to be contrary to its own nature, in comi ng to be concurrently with
the end, it naturally comes to be last of all the others."
- "Apparently."
"Therefore, the one is younger than the others. and the others are
older than the one."
- "Again. so it appears to me."
"But then: must not a beginning. or any other part of the one what-
soever. or of anything else-if indeed it is a part, and not parts-be
necessarily one. given that it is a parr?"
- "Necessarily."
"So the one would come co be concurrently with the first that comes CO
be and concurrently with the second, and it is absent from none of the
others that come CO be-regardless of what is added CO what-until.
by reaching the last [point in the sequence], it comes CO be one whole
[thi ng], lacking in its coming-co-be neither of the middle. nor the last
nor the first, nor of any other."
-"True."
"Therefore. the one is of the same age as all the others. And so. if the
one itself is not by nature contrary co its own nature. it would have
come CO be neither before nor after the others. bur at the same time.
By this account. the one would be neither older nor younger than the
others. nor the others [older or younger] than the one. Bur according
CO our previous [account]. it was older and younger [than the others]'
others [were older and younger] than it."
- Of course.
d
e
154
c
d
e
168 Plato's Parmenides
.. a.A/I: iyw ye, o't'[, El. xcxt EO'Tt.V e-t'EPOV e-rEpou,
ytyVE0"9IXt yE lX.hO in lj w, TO rrpWTov EUS", YEVOf1.EVOV
Ot.+,VEYXe: 't'n Y,ALXf.q:. OUX !Xv E't't OUVO:LTO. OUO' C(O 'to VE:WTe:pOV QV E'n,
'1EfinEpOV yLyVEcr-9\Xt: a.vt.crm.c; yocp rO'IX itPOOTL&i!-LEVO:, XpOVC{) 're: xat
"AA,:, oT,:,00v. LCY':' rrOLEL o'lXrpipELV ocd oO",:,rrEp iiv TO "PWTOV o'EviYX-fj."
.. 7tw:;; ya.p OU; ..
.. oux !ipC( TO ye QV 't'OOI04 yLY'Jo(.'t' a.v nOTE .. QUOE
VEWTEPOV, ELitEp tal{) (ikOCqJEpEL ad oc'A)'" eaTL xCli yiYOVE
TO se: Ve:W't'EPO'J. yt.yvr:r:OCL 0' QU,"
.. OCAl)Sij:'
.. xexi TO EV &.poc 0\1 'rwv &"AACiN QV't'WV QU't'E 7tO't'E QU't'E
VEw't'Epav yLy'V:r:a.L."
.. ou reip OU'J.
ll
.. 0plX OE: et rfiOE XIX' VEWUPIX '(tYVETIX' ."
.. 1tn Si); ..
.. on 'to -rE EV 'ti:l'J &"AAWV E'POCV"f} 7tpEOfjUTEpOV xat 't'tXAAa TOU E.'/a:;; ,"
" ..d 00'.1; .,
.. o"C'O:V 't"o EV TOOV &"AAWV 'n. 7tAdw ;tOU Xpo'JOv YEY0'lr;V
T<X "AAIX."
.. 'loci."
.. mXA'v cyxorroc' E<Xv "AEOV' XIX' EAchTov, Xpov,:, rrpocyn9Wf1.EV
":()'J LCTOV Xpovov, OCPCl ":ii> tal{l!-,-opLI{l aWLaEL ":0 7tAEOV 'tau it
CTI-'-LXpo'tip,!>; "
.. CYfl'XPOTip,:,."
.. oelx "PIX icy"",. oTmEp TO rrpWTO'J rrpo.; TaAAIX OLlXrpipov TO
tv. "t'ou":o xo:t de;; ":0 E;tEL"t'o:. ci:).) ..?;:. LCTOV Xpovov "tOtc;;
AOC"t"C'OV ci:d rn -fJALXLq. aLOLaEL ocu,,:w'Y i} 7tPO"C'EPOV' 1) ou; "
,. va.t."
.. oelxouv TO yE eAIXTTov o'lXrpipov rrpo.; " lj rrp6-rEpoV VEW-repOV
ylyvOCT' cl.V lj EV T';> rrpo0"9E'J rrpo.; ExEivlX rrpo, '"
7tpo-repov; "
104 't"OU h a:; BT: sed. Schleiermacher,
Text and Translation: lS4a-e
"This is how it is and has come to be. But then again. what about its
coming to be botb older and younger. and neither younger nor older.
than rhe others. and the others than the one? Is the case with coming-
to-be just as it is with being. or is it different?"
"\ " - cannot say.
"But I can say at least this much: if one thing is older than another b
thing. it could nor come to be even older by an amount greater than
irs original difference in age; nor. again. could the younger come to
be still younger. For adding equals to unequals. wherher to time or to
anything else whatsoever. always makes them different by an amount
equal to that by which they originally differed."
- "Of course."
"So 'that which is' could never come to be older or younger than any c
other 'that which is'. if indeed they always differ in age by an equal
amount. Yet [one) is and has come to be oldet. and rhe other younger,
though they are not [in the process on coming to be so. So the one
as well, since it is, never comes to be eirher older or younger than the
others that arc."
- "No, it does not."
"But consider then wherher it comes to be older and younger in this
way."
"I h ,,,
- nwatway.
"In the way that the one was shown to be older than the others and
the others than the one."
- "What of that?"
"Whenever the one is older than the others. it has somehow come to
be for a longer time than the others."
-"Yes." cl
"Then consider again: if we add an equal time to more and to less time,
will the more differ from the less by an equal or a smaller portion?"
- "A smaller one."
"So whatever the proportional difference in age there is originally
between the one and the others. this will not continue thereafter, but
by obtaining the equal [amount on time as the others, the difference
in age between them will constantly come to be less than before. Is
this not so?"
_ "Yes."
"So wouldn't that which differs from something in age less than it e
previously did come to be younger than it previously was, in relation
to those it was previously older than?"
- "Younger."
155
b
c
d
- -
Plato's Parmenides
.. VEW't'EPOV."
.. d SE exeivo VEW-rEPOV. QUY. exe:i:voc 0:.15 T& OCAAIX 1tpOC; 'to EV
lCpO"C'c:pov;
" 1tcX',IU ye."
.. 'to !J.E:V vE6)'re:pO'IJ ocpoc YEYOVOr, YLYVE-rOCt 't'o 1tpon:pov
YEYOVOC; 'CE "'0:' Dv. e:an oi: OUSErcO'CE liAAOC
Y{:YVE::r:ar. ad EXELVOU EXEl\lO (J.E:V ya.p E1tt TO 'JEc:,.rEpov
emo'O",atV, 'Co 0' trc, 'Co 'Co S' 0:0 'CoO
VEW't'EpOU VEWTEPOV yLYVE-roct oocrOCUTW';. l,OV't'E ocu't'oiv de; 'ro 8wx,'rdov
'Co iVO:V'CLOV liAA1}AOtV YLyvEaSov, 'Co f.LE:v VEOJ'''EPOV 'CoO
'Co 01: VW'CEPOV 'CoO vEw-ripou' YEviaSo:, 01:
, ..." " '" , .. ", 'i. .... ' ';
OUX. ocv moo't"e: et't'1Jv. EL yo:.p YE"IOLV't"O, DUX. OCV E't't. YI.YVOl.v-ro, OCI\A Ef.EV
ih vOv SE y[yvov'Co:t f.LE:V liAA1}A"'V "'0:' Vw'CPO:' 'Co fJ.i:v EV
'CcdV OCAA"'V VW'CEPOV ylYVE'CO:', on OV "'0:, rcpO'CEpOV
, """ i ... , (.I. , ".. ,
ye:rovo.;. "(cx ae: OCI\.I\.OC 'tou EVO'; 7tpeCJ(-"u't'EpOC, O't'L UO''t'Epo:. YEYOVE. XIX-r1X OE
"(oV oclrrov ),,6"(0\1 xai -rOCAAOC QU't'C,U 1tpOC; 'to ev tcrxet. OClJ't'OU
"'0:, rcpO'CEPO: yyovor:o:."
" YG:p ODV ot.hwc;."
" ou",oOv 'iJ fJ.1:v ouo1:v ET:EpOV hEpOU YLYVEr:o:t ouoE
YW't'EPOV, XCl't'O: "'Co a.pt.3p .. a..M+,),wV !id ou't' "'Co '1
ytyvot.'t' cX.v OUSE VEWTf:POV. ou't 'ta.AAIX 'tou evoc;;' "11
01: lid o''''P.pw r:it rcpOr:EpO: r:cdV uar:ip"'v YEVOfJ.EVO:
)(0:' -roc uar:Epo: r:cdV rcPOr:EP"'V, r:o:u-r'n livciy",.., r:E "'0:,
r1.AAijAwv yiYVEO'Sa.l 'reX 'tE OCAAO: '('ou evo; XClL 'to EV 'twv ..
"1tcivu fLEV oUv."
" XCl"t'O:. Si) 7tO:V'tCl 'tClV"t'OC 'to '1 r1:u'to 'tE ocu'tou XClL 'l"WV
A' " " , 'tI A'
1tpeO'j-'U't'EpOV XO:L VEhl't'pOV san 'tE XCll YLYVTOCL, XO:L OUTe: 1tPEGt-'UTe:pOV
OUT: VEW'tEPOV oih' eO''rlv OUTE yiyVE'tOCL aiJ't'E ocu'tou OUTE TWV ocA)..wv,"
.. /iEV ouv,"
" SE xpovou fJ.Er:EX,L r:o EV "'0:, -r00 -rE "'0:' VW-rEPOV
yLyVEO'-SCXL. aI" aux a.vci:yX1) XClt 'toO 1tO't'E Y..ClL TaU ErrEt:rcx xa.t
'taG '10'1, e:t1tEP XPOVOU iJ.E't'EXEt.;
Text and Translation: lS4e-1SSd
"But if it Comes to be younger, do nor rhose others, in turn, [come to
be] older than before, in relarion to the one?"
- "Certainly."
"So the younger rhat came to be [later] comes to be older in relation
to what came to be earlier and is older, and it never is older, but it is
constantly coming to be older than that [i.e . the older]. For it [i.e.,
the older] advances toward the younger and the younger toward the
older. And again, in like manner the older comes to be younger than
the younger. Thus. by going in opposite directions, they come to be the
opposite of each other. the younger older than the older, and the older
younger than the younger. But they cannot [arrive] in their coming
to be. For if they arrived. they would no longer come to be, but would
[already] be in that way. But as it is, they are coming to be older and
younger than each other. The one comes to be younger than the oth-
ers. because it was shown to be older and to have come to be earlier
whereas the others come to be older than the one, because they
come to be later. And. by the same account. the others, too, are related
in this way to the one, since indeed, they were shown to be older than
the one and to have come to be earlier."
- "Yes, it appears this way."
insofar as nothing comes to be older or younger than any other
thmg-by of their always differing from one another by an equal
amount-neither would the one come re be older or younger than
the others, nor the others than the one. But, insofar as what comes to
be earlier must differ from what Comes to be later by an amount that
IS always dIfferent-and also the later from the earlier-then, in the
same way is ir not necessary that they come to be older and younger
than each other. the others than the one and the one than the others?"
- "Of course."
"Then according to all this. the one itself is and comes to be older and
younger than itself and the others. and it neither is nor comes to be
either older Or younger than itself or the others."
- ''Absolutely.''
''And since the one partakes of time and of coming to be older and
younger, must it not then also partake of ' the before', and 'the after'.
and of ' the now', if indeed it partakes of time?"
155
b
c
d
e
Plato's Parmenides
..
.. apoc TO BV XClL Bern Y.OCL eO''t'ocr. xoi iytYVE-rO Y.;cxi yLyve-rcxt. XOCL
.. d .,
.. xo:i. :L"1j 1J..\I Tt. }tal Exetvou, XClL xo:i. XCXL cr'Coct.."
.. mivu ye."
" XlXt Er-" (i'J lX,hou XlXt XlXt IXraS"lJaL<;. d1tEP XlXt vuv
1tEpt cxuTau mxv't'cx TOCU't'Cl rrpIi:T't'o!-,-EV,"
" "pSw<; A':YEL<;."
.. xoci. c)...0f.LCX XOCL AOYO;' eO'''C"LV X.a:L XClL ).iYE't'Cl[:
XCXL OO'OC7tEP xocl. 1tEpt '(eX. &AAIX T6lV TOWU'C'(I)V TUYXcXVEr. Qv't'cx. xcd. 7tEpt
-ro ev tcrnv."
.. 1tC1;v't'e;Aw;, fJ.E'J cO" eXEL OUTW;."
"E J "\ I ..., ., ,\ , i ' S ' ,
.. "tL 0'1) 1'0 TpLTOV AeyWf.LEV. 't'o EV EL O"t'tV OLO') OI.A'I)"'U !X!-lEV, Cl?
aux OCVO:yY..'1} CXll'ro. ev Tt QV XIl.L 1tO;"AcX. xcxi. :." (.1frre: 1tO).Aa. xo:l.
P.E-rixov xpOVOU. OTt !J.EV e1'r:) ev. f1.E't'EXEtV 1tO't'E, OTt 8' OUX.
" \ , 'i' ,
Ean. !L"IJ !LE1:EXELV IXU 1t01:E ouaLIX<;;
.. civc1:.yx1}."
.. ap' ouv, o'n: p..e:'t'EXEt.. olov TE EO'TOCt. TOTE (-LETEXEt.V . aTE (-L-fJ
!LE1:':XEL, !LE1:':XELV;
.. oUX orov 'rE,"
.. V OCAACl;> OCPrl xp6vCJ) (1.ETXEt. Xcx.L EV OCAACl;> ou !.LE'riXEt. OUTW ylip a.v
iJ-O'lW; TOU (XUTOU /-LETEXOt TE XIXL ou iJ-E't"EXOt. ...
opDw;,"
, .... '''' '" "l tl ' "? , "
.. OUXQUV eOTt. XOCL OUTO; XPOVO'::;;. O't'E "'t"QU t.Vrlt. xo:.t. OTE
cxlh'oG: 7tl7>; 0[6'1 't"E eCJ''t"cxt. 't'O't'E !J.EV tXEt.V 't'o ClUTO, "'t"OTE
SE f.Lij exet.v, Ea.v !J.-IJ 1to"t' Y..CXL Clt)''C'O XOCL o:cpLn: ..
..
" 't'o Si) f.LETcx)..a!J-fja.vElV ap&: yE ou YY'IEu&at. "
.. eywyE,"
"l "l ' S " ", "l "l (\ ..
TO OE CX1tClI'I.I'I.Cl't''t'EO' elL ocpa: OUX CX1tOI\I\VO'Vc.u:
Text and Translation: 155d-156a
1
73
- "Necessarily."
"Therefore, rhe one 'was' and 'is' and 'will be, and 'was coming ro be
and 'comes ro be and 'will come ro be'."
- "Certainly,"
"And something could belong ro it and be of ir, [along wirh] 'was' and
is' and will he',"
- "Of course,"
"And rhere would be knowledge and opinion and perception of ir, since
indeed we arc currently performing all rhose actions in regard ro it."
- "What you say is right."
"And a name and an account belong to it, and it is named and spoken
of. And as many such things [i.e., attributes] happen to pertain ro the
others, they also pertain ro the one."
- "That's completely so."
CONCLUSION: RESULTS OF ARGUMENTS I AND 11
"Let us speak oEit again for a third time: if rhe one is as wc have described
it-both onc and many and neither one nor many, and partaking of
time-must it not, since it is one, sonletimes partake of being, and in
rum, sometimes not partake of being because it is not [one]?"
- "By necessity."
"When it partakes [of being], will it at that rime be able nor ro partake,
or ro partake, when it doesn't partake?"
- "It will nor be able ro."
"So it partakes at onc time and does nor partake at another, for only
in this way could it both partake and not partake of the same thing."
_ URighc."
COMING-TO-BE/CEASING-TO-BE
"Then isn't there also a [given] time when it takes part in being, and
when it relinquishes it? Or, how will it be able at one time ro have the
same [thing] and at another time not have it, unless it sometimes both
obtains it and releases it?"
- "There is no way."
"So do you not call taking part in being 'coming-ro-be?"
- "Yes, I do,"
"And then relinqUishing being 'ceasing-ta-be?"
e
b
c
d
174
Plato's Parmenides
.. KIXt 1tOCVU Yf.."
.. '('0 EV EOtY.E, -rE xai ciCPLEV auaLC7.v yi;yvc:r:aJ .. -re: KocL
li7tanv"Ccx,."
.. a.vO:yx1)."
" EV SE xcd 7tO).,Aa. QV Koi ytYVOP.EVOV X.OCl &p' DUX.O't"ocv
P.E\! yl.Y'V"lP:OCL EV, 'to dVOCL cbtOAAUTOCL. 0,(,0:\1 Se: 7tOAAcX. TO EV dV:t.L
cbtOAAU't'CXL; "
.. ncX.vu ye,"
.. EV Se y'yvafle:vov XCXL 7tonix ap' oux Ii'locyx'I] S,cxxp[vEalh[ "CE XCXL
avyxp[vwl)cx,; "
.. 7tOn-l] YE."
" XOC!. livop.ot.ov yE KIX!. O/-LOLOV OT!XV yLY'J"IJ'tOCL, o!J.Ot.ouaSocL 'C'E x.oc!.
civo(.Lof.OuaSc((.; "
" VC1.L."
.. Y..OCL O'TCXV XCXL EAOC't'TOV XCXL reTOV, cxu;a.vaSoct -rE Ket!. cpStvEf.V
KOCL lcrOUcrScXL; ..
" oU't'w;:."
" Q"t'(X\I SE: XtVOIJ(.LEVO\l 't'E to't'l)TC(L KClL O'C'O:'J EC1'te;: err!' 'to XtVeLcrSCxt
flE"Ccxf3,xAA7J, aE;: S-I] 7tOV cx.ha yE fl'l]a ' E'I &VL XfJavcp ELVCX,."
.. ..
.. O''t'o;: -rE 1tpO't"EpOV UO'TEpOV xLveLcrSO:L Y..OCL 1tPOTEpOV XtVOU/-lEVO'.I
UO''t'EPOV EO"TO:VCXt., fJ-EV 'toO OUX ot6v 't'E EO'TCXC. 'tcxu't'oc
1tocO'XEc.v."
.. yap; ..
.. xpavor; ai yE ouadr; EO'nv, 0'1 .;, n orav "CE &[J.a: fllJ"CE x,vdal)cx,
EO''t'cXVOCC..'
" ov yelp 00'.1."
.. <in' ouSe flE"CCXf3OCAAE' "VEU "Cou
.. OU}{
" 1!o't" ouv OU't'E yelp EO'"t'Or; ov
10
'i OU"t'E XtVOU!J.EVOV
OthE EV 0'.1."
" oll yelp 0\;'.1."
u 1" 'i"" " 'f' , .. 'I" (.1.''1.'1.''
cxp ouv EO"t"L 't'o !X't'07tO\l TOU't'O. EV <:> 't'o-r !Xv ECIJ. O-rE f.LE't'al-"ct.II.II.Ec.;
.. 'to 1totov ..
105 OV B: ocv T.
Text and Translation: lS6a-d
1
75
- "Cenainly."
"Indeed, the one, as it seems, when it obtains and releases being comes
[Q be and ceases to be." '
- "By necessity."
:'And since it is one and many and comes to be and ceases [Q be, does
It nOl then, when it comes to be one, cease to be as many, and when it
comes ro be many. cease co be as one?"
- "Certainly."
''And since it comes to be one and many, must it not be separated and
combined?"
- "Very much so."
"And whenever it comes to be like and unlike, must it not be made
like and unlike?"
- "Yes."
"And whenever it comes to be larger and smaller and equal, muSt it
not be Increased and decreased and made equal?"
- "Just so,"
THE INSTANT
whenever, being in motion, it comes to rest, and whenever, being ar
rest, It changes to moving, it itself mUSt somehow be in no time ar all."
- "How is that?"
"It will nor be able to be initially at rest and afterwards in motion or
initially in motion and afterwards at rest, without changing." '
- "Of COurse not,"
"But there is no time in which something can, simultaneously be
neither in motion nor at rest." '
- "Certainly not."
"But surely, neither does it change without changing."
"H dl " - ar y.
"So when does it change? For this happens neither when it is at rest
nor when jt is in motion, nor when it is in time." ,
- "No. it does not."
"Is then, this oddity in which it would be JUSt when it changes?"
- What kind of oddity?"
b
c
d
e
157
b
Plato's Parmenides
.. 't'o 'to yCip Tt EOLX
EXe:t'JOU dt; excX't'EpoV. OU EX ye: 'toG e:O'TOCVOCL EO'-rc7rt'oc;
E"C'l. DUO' ex XLVOU/J.E'J"'1:; E"Ct. ciAAcX
CPU"', ":.OTto<; Tt<; iyxcilhrrc", Tr,<; TE
Y.OCL o"rocaewc;. EV xpOV6,) OUSEVi. Quaa.. xcxi de; 't'(lu'rfjv xoi EX 't'ocu'rl)t;
'1:0 'rE Y.tVOufLe:vov Ent 'to EeJ'rcXVlkt xo:i. TO E1tL 'to
XtNELafl.ocL."
.. XtVOUVEUEt."
"xat 'to ev d'TtEP EO"'C'"fjx.i 'rE xoci. XtVEt't'CXL, a.v ec.p'
hcX-rEpot !'-o"w<; yelp av c7.!'-cpOTEPot Ttata L ir
Xott OTE eOv auoEvl XPOVCf a" XtVaLT'
:Xv 'tOTE. OUo' Cl" O"l'oci'"."
.. DU yrip."
" 1'" ,'\ "1 i (J. i'" " , . 'f
.. cx.p DUV ou't"lJ) XO:L 1tpOC; 1'0:'; i.I.,."f\OC'; flE'tOCf"0AOC'; EXEL. O"r(J.V EX 't'OU EL\lCU,
&1, TO c7.TtOAAualtott EX TaU eLvott &1, TO y,yvEaltott,
''CVJWV 1'O't'E yLyVE't'r1.L 1' xat O'1'OCO'EW'J, xaL OU1'E EO'1't
I " ,,, '" '''1 "I "
"to"tE OU"-E OUX. e:0''t'1., OU"tE yl.yVE't'OCI. OU'te: r1.1tOAAu't'aL;
.. EOLXE YOUv."
.. XotTa. oij TOV otUTOV Myav Xott ba, eOTttTtaAAel tOV Xott EX TtaAAWV
, " " ... " "I "I I "0' ,
Ecp EV OU't'E EV Ea,,-I.V QU't'E 1tOAI\OC. ou't'e: l.ocxpl.ve't'ocl. ou't'e: O'uyxpl.'JE.'t'r1.I..
XtxL OfLoLou e1tL ci:vollol.Ov XtxL i; cbofJ.oLou Ent 0IlOl.OV LOv oihe 0IlOLOV
ou't'e ci:VO!J.OLOV, ou't'E: O!lOI.OU!-lEVOV ou't'e: cXVO!lOLOU!lEVOV' KOCL ex (J'!J.LXPOU
Ent !liyoc Kr1.L E7tt roov xatEL:; 't'0: EVOCV't'[OC Lav OU1'E O'IlI.XPOV oU't'E. !lEyOC
olkE tcrov, OU't'E oU't'E. cpaL'JOV oU"CE. LO'OUIlEVOV d'l') a..v."
, oux EOLXE."
.. 't'au"Co: oi] 'to: miv't" a.v micrxoL TO ev, EL ecrnv."
.. rcoo:; S' DU; "
Text and Translation: 156d-157b
'77
'The instant. The instant seems m signify the kind of rhing fmm which
there is changing in each of tWO directions. For somet h i ng does not
change from rest while ir is srill resting, or from motion whi le it is still
moving. Bur the instant, that odd-narured thing, sirs'''' between motion e
and rest-being in no time ar all-and what moves into ir and OUt of
it changes to resting and what rests changes to moving."
- "Quite likely."
"And rhe one, if it indeed is both at rest and in motion, would change
in each of two directions, for only in this way could it do both. But
in changing, it changes in an instant, and when it changes, it would
be in no time at all, and [at that point] it would be neither in motion
nor at rest."
- "No) it would not."
PASSING THROUGH NEITHERINOR
"Is this also the case in regard to the other types of changes? Whenever
the onc changes from being to ceasing-to-be, or from nor-being to 157
coming-to-be, does it then not come to be between certain motions
and states of rest, and then it neither is nor is not, and neither comes
[Q be nor ceases to be?"
- "It seems so."
"And by the same account, when it goes from one to many and from
many co one, it is neither one nor many, and is neither separated nor
combined. And when it goes from like to unlike and from unlike to
like, it is neither like nor unlike, not is it being made like nor unlike .
And when it goes from small to large and to equal, and vice versa, b
it is neither small nor large nor equal; nor would it be increasing or
decreasing, nor being made equal."
- "Apparently not."
'The one, if it is, would undergo all of the above."
- "Of course."
lOG EyXa.&I)t'tlL: 'sir in', 'lie in ambush', 'lie in a place', 'lie couched in' (eyx1HhUJ.!l.1.
in LiddcU-Scott-Jones, A Gmk.Engl;s" Lexicon). Cf. Gill, Pinto: Parmenides,
164.
c
d
e
Plato's Parmenides
..(0' ..,,, LV apex DV " Tt /li:. 1tpocr-iP<'Ot rt., 1trt.axeLV, e' et ea'( ,
OXt1t't'EOV; .,
O'XE1t'tEOV,"
, ..
.. EV EL teJ't't, -caAAcx -rov -rL Xp-fJ 1tE1tovDe:vCXL:
.. )..iYWf.LEV."
, -;
.. OUXOU') E7te:btEp a.AAOC 'tou E:voe; eO''tLv. OU'tE 'to EV ecr'tt -r:ocAAa: QU yexp
" , \ 1""
ib rt.AArt. '(OU Y)" .
..
,. ..
.. ouSi:. iJ-+" a'(Epe'(rt.[ ye 1trt.ni1trt.C1L ,(OU ,o; '(rt.AArt., rt.AArt. iJ-e'(ex
eL
"n
.. - "
n'o 0Y);
" I " , ,
.. on 1tOU ciAArt. -cou bot; iJ-OpLrt. Exo',-crt. rt.AArt. ean'r et yrt.p iJ-optrt. iJ-1J
EXOL, ltCXv't'EAW:; ex\! EV d'fJ:'
.. opSwt;."
_
.. iJ-OPLrt./lE ye, cprt.iJ-E" -cou-cou ta-c" 0 a, oAO' iJ"
.. CPOCP.EV y6:.p."
I ? " I
" iJ-+" -co ye oAo, it, EX 1tOAA(;" rt.""yxY) e,LVrt.L, ou :a:;"t
iJ-Optrt.. exrt.C1-CO' -C(;N iJ.0p[",v ou 1toAAW' iJ.OpLOV xpr, eLVrt.L, rt.AArt.
o)...ou."
.. 1tw:; "CoO't'O; ..
0' ,
.. er 't't 1tOAAiiJV f.LoP[.Qv d'", EV oL; cxu'to eL"1J: 7J lJ.Opt.o;
Ecn.-cx!.. 0 Eo"n"l cXouvcx-rov, xext -r:wv a.AAtiN 01) evo,:; e:x.ocO''t'ou. Et1tep
1tcbrcwv. E:VO!; ya.p lL-f& QV ll-0pt.Ov, 1tAyrJ 't'ou't'ou -cwv ECI't'CX,L.
ou't"wc; :vo:; E:XllC1't'OU aux ECT't'CXt (J.OpLOV. !J.1J QV OE: !J.opt.Ov
-CW, 1tOAAW, Ea-cl1t. iJ-Y)S",O<; /li:. CN 1tin"" -cou-c"" Tt ELVrt.t, ""
, ""I "I , (I) \lcx:t'Q'V 107"
auoi\l (el"'n. xoct lLOP(.Ov XClL r.I\I\.O o"t'L.OUV 0: U
, , ..
.. c.pOCLVE't'OCL yE 01').
, , ,
.. OUX tipoc -r(;)v oUSE: 7tO:'1't'wv 'to p.6pt.Ov, 7.,)..,)..OC
lOECXC; XOCL t\lOC; 't'L\lO:;. 0 Y.ocAOU{lE'J OAO\l, a.rrocv't'U1v ev 't'EAe:LO'.I yEyO\lO:;.
-cou-cou iJ-OPLOV a, -co iJ-OpLO'
107 ci8u'JIX"C'O\l d/Cl!.. BT: sed. Heindorf.
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Text and Translation: lS7b-e
179
THIRD ARGUMENT
"'If the one is', should wc not consider next what would be appropriate
for the others to undergo as well?"
- "Wc should."
"Shall we then srate what those 'orher than the one' must have under-
gone
l
'jf the one is'?"
- "We shall."
PART/WHOLE
"So, then, if indeed they ate 'other than the one', the others ate not the c
one either, for if they were, they would not be 'othet than the onc'."
- "That's right."
"And yet the others are not utterly deprived of oneness, but parrake
of it in some way."
- "In what way?"
"It is presumably because things 'other than the one' have parts that they
arc other, for if they did not have parts, they would be entirely one."
- "That's righr."
"And parrs, wc say, are [parrs] of that which is a whole."
- "Yes, we do."
"But surely the whole, of which the parrs will be parts, must be a one
composed of many, for each of the parts must be a parr, not of many,
but of a whole."
- "Why is thar?"
"If somethi ng were to be parr of a many [i.e., a plurality]' among which
it itself would be counted, then surely it will somehow be part ofitself. d
which is impossible, and also [parr] of each one of the others-if indeed
it were to be part of all. For if it is not pare of the one, it [instead] will
be pare of the orhers-with the one excepted-and thus it will not be
pare of each one, and if not parr of each, then of none of the many. But
that which is of none at all, cannot be a parr-or anything else-of
all those things it is none of [individually]."
- "It cerrainly appcars so."
"So the part would not be parr either of many or of all, but of a single
concept'' and unity, which we call 'whole', a perfect oneness that has e
come to be from all. This is what the part would be part of."
J08 er. Fowler, Plato in Twelve Volnm.s, Val. 9.
b
180
Plato's Parmenides
, <t ..
.. f.LEV OU\I.
.. et cipel 't'eXAACl eXEL. xciv TOU OAOU -rE Ked. i\lo; tJ.E"C'EXOt."
,. 7tcl:'1U YE."
.. &'1 <xpo:. OAOV 't'EAEt.OV !J.OpL<X EXOV rivciYX"1) Elv:u "nXAACl 'LoG
civO:yx't}."
" XlXl XC1.l1tEpl "tOU fLOPLOU yE i:xti<ITOU 6 C1.\ha; AOyOr,. XlXl yiXp "tOU"to
tivciyx'f. (.LETEXEtJ "CoO Et "(ocp EXO:O''t'O'IJ :XU't6l'J (.Lopt.6v ecr't't.. "..0 ye
ELVIXL EV CI1JfLC1.[VEL. OC,!,"'pLCIfLEVOV fLb "tWV "AA",v. XIX&'
o:.trcO ae: Qy. ernEp EXOCO''t'OV eO'''C'CXl.''
..
.. p.E't'iXOt oE ye ClV "tou EVOC; on _<XAAO EV:
ciA)'" ci.v octrco EV' \/0\1 oE EV!. /-lEV eivcxr. 1tA11V :x.u't'!P eVL exauvCl-cov
1tou."
.. ci3u\lCl't'OV."
.. fJ.E'tEXELV oE ye 'tou rivciyx1j 'tE XlXt TO fJ.E\I YeXp
EV OAO'l EO''t'o:t.. 00 f.LOpt.a. "Ca. p.optCX
O
-co 8' o:.Q EXIX(T(OV '1 (.LOpwv TOU oAou.
" <Xv -n fLOPLOV OAOU."
.. au"nu,:;."
.. 00)(00\1 E'tEPex ii\rro:. 't'OU EVOC; 're):. !J-E't'EXOV-ra: Cll)'rou; ..
.. 1tw:; 8' ou: ..
.. TO:. 8' t'tEPel '('00 1tOAAOC 1tOU OCV dl). d yO:.p e'J EVO:;
1tAdw e:t1) "COCAAel "t'oO Ev6;. OUDEV liv d"fj."
. . ,. ..
.. OU Yelp ouv.
po
Text and Translation: 157e-15Bb
181
- "Absolll(e1y."
"So if the mhers have parrs, they would also parrake of wholeness and
oneness."
- "Certainly."
"So things other than the one must be one complete whole, which
has parts."
- "Necessarily."
"Furthermore, the same account applies also ro each part, since it roo
must partake of rhe one, for if each of these is a part-and 'each' signi- 15
8
fies somehow ro be one-it is singled OUt from the others and also is
by irself-ifindeed it is ro be 'each'."
- "Thats right."
"But it would obviously partake of the one. since it is other than the
one, for if it were not [other]. it would not partake of it bll( would itself
be the one. Bll( as it is, it is quire impossible for anything except the
one itself to be the one."
- "Impossible."
"Bur both rhe whole and the part muSt partake of the one, for the one
is ro be a whole of which the parts are parrs, and in turn each parr of
a whole will be one part of the whole."
"J " - uS[ so .
"Then things partaking of the one will be other than the one while b
partaking of it?"
- "Of course."
"But things other than the one would presumably be many, for if the
things other rhan the one were neither one nor more than one, they
would be nothing."
"'A d" - gree.
c
d
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Plato's Parmenides
.. 'E1te:L oi ye 1tAe:l.W EVOt;. EO''!'!. 'Cti "C'E -rov !J.opLau }('OCL Ta. "CoO
I:vo, aAau flE'<EXaV't"OC, aux civo..YX1) 7tA-I)1)et ri7tEtpOC ELVOCt o:U,<o.. yE
EX",Vot ,<0.. '<00 !:vo,: "
.. 1toot;,' "
.. t1Se' &')..)..0 "C't OUX '1 o,rcC1. oucE {J'tEXOV't'OC 'tOU (:vot;, "COTE,
O'<E OCu,<oo, "
" oliAot 0-1)."
.. ouxouv Qv't'oc. EV ott;, -co EV aux. EVe.; ..
.. 1tAi)hl !J.ev"t'oL... ,
.. -d. DU"; e:l. iSiAOt(J.EV 't'TJ 'tGlV 't'OLOU't'W\I CXCPEAELV W'; OLOt -rE:
EO'!J.EV o'tt OAl.YLO''t'O'J, oux O:vcX.yx''1 XC1L 'to cicpOCLpdH:v exe:L'JO, drrEp "tou
:\lO:; !-LE-riX.OL. Elv!X.(. xoi aux EV; "
.. " ..
OCVOCYX1J. , ,. n".' .' J , ' ,
.. OUX.OU'I OU1:'lI):; OCEt 0'X.01WUV"C'e::; ocu't''lV XOCv a.u't' fj" 1: 'IV E't'EPIXI CPUD'(. J
'tOU E!SOU:; 00'0\1 OCV IXU't1j:; tid OpW!J.EV Il.7tEt.pOV EO"'t'Clt. ..
, , ... 01
.. ml.v'C((1tOCO'(. fiE\! OU\I. I' '"
" Xott fl1)V E7tEt/)o.." yE EV exotcnav flopta'J floPtoV YEV"'<ott, 7tEpot, 1]01]
EX-EL 7tpo:; a.)..),;fjAa. xcxt 1tpCU; 'r0 0)..0\1. Y..OCL 'to 0)...0\1 itpo:; 't'oc (J.OP(.(l"
. XO!J.LO-n !J.Ev OUv." , ., ,..
" '<aL' rinat, 0-;' '<00 10',0, EX flEV '<00 Eva, XOCt EotU,<W'J
"J , n" ," 8' ,
xOt.VOOV7jCJocv"t'wv, 00::; E:"t'POV "t'L ytY'l()'i1OCt V 0 "I)
1trlPEO'XE 7tpo::; a.J...A"fjArJ .... S' E:CXU't'WV xcx:,s' e:cxu'trt cbtELp[OCV."
. cpoctvE't'CXt."
.. ou't'w 't'0:. a.)..),(l -rOU EVOt;, xoct OAa. xa.t xcx:'t'rt tJ.OpLOC a.7tEtpOC -rE eCJ't'L
xcxt 7tEpa:tO; tJ.E'tEXe:L."
.. 7tOCVU ye."
Text and Translation: lS8b-d
LIMITED/UNLIMITED
"And now, since both the things that partake of rhe one as part and
rhe one as whole arc more rhan one, musr nor rhose rhar rake part in
oneness be already unlimired in multirude?"
- "How so?"
"Let us look ar the quesrion in rhis way: isn'r ir the case rhar, ar rhe
rime when they come ro take part in the one, they neirher are one, nor
partake of the one?"
- "Clearly." c
"So they are multitudes in which oneness is not present?"1I0
- "Multitudes, indeed."
"Now, if we wanted to subtract in thoughr ftom these multirudes the
minimum amount possible, must not what is subtracted be tOO a mu 1-
tirude and not one, if indeed it does not partake of rhe one?"
- "Necessarily."
"So whenever we examine in this way that narure alone by itself, dif-
ferent from the Form, will not whatever we see of it in each case be
unlimited in multirude?"
- "Yes, absolutely."
"Furthermore, whenever each part comes to be one part, the parrs then d
have a limit in relation to each other and in relarion to the whole, and
the whole [has a limit] in relarion to the parrs."
- "Undoubtedly."
"Then it follows for things 'other than the one', that from their taking
part in the one and in each other, something different comes to be in
them, as it seems, that provides a limit for them in relarion to each
other. But by themselves, their own nature provides lack of limit."
- "Apparently."
"In this way, indeed, the things 'other than the one', taken both as
wholes and as individual parrs, both are unlimited and also partake
of a limir."
- "Certainly."
110 Irrational numbers? That is , numbers, quantities or magnitudes not (:>. pre5sibk
by means of finite hence unitary fractions; roors, for example. whose value can-
nor be determined in the finite terms of the unit. (Only square rootS of square
numbers are rationaL) The most significant work on irrational numbers occurred
in Plato's lifetime, see the discoveries ofTheodorus OfCY'l'ne, as mentioned in
the 7heaeutus (l47d-148b). In particular ef. rXitELpm , 0 1tA-r,aO; in regard to
COOlS, (7Juanetus. 147d6. "unlimited in muhimdc") wi(h the above rendering
"A-ijll" """po: (Parmmid", 158b).
e
159
b
Plato's Parmenides
.. Ouxouv KilL Of.LOLO:. 'rE Y..a:L cX'JO(J.Ot!X a.'A)..-hAm.c; 't'E xa.i. H
.. 1t'ij OT); ..
.. on fJ-EV 7tOU cX.1tEt.pO: xoc"CO: E!XU't'WV rpum.v mx,v-roc. 't'OCtft'OV
7tE1tOVt}O"'t'oc OC'J 't'!Xlh'Yl:'
" 7ta,VU YE."
. xa.t t-tTjv 'n yE: ii.7tocvca. rcpcx:ro; f.LE'tiXEt. xcxl 't'cxu'C"'(J 1'[cl\l'(' Q.'J EL"J) 'ttX.U't'Ov
1tE7tOV&O-ro:."
., !toot; 8' ou; ..
" Si ye: 1tETCEPO:CJf.Le:\lCl 't'E dvcu XlXl cX.1tELpo:. 1tE7tOVSE'J, E'J1:J.:V"C!.a-. miS'fJ
QVTex Textrrex Ta. m:1tovllEV,"
.. vocL"
.. 'to: S' EVOCVr[Cl ye: otc,\I "CE civOf.Loto't!X:r!X."
.. "CL (J.1)v; ..
.. x.ct:rcX. !J-E" ocpa. e:X,O:'t'EPOV 'to 1tO:,sOC; o!J.OtOC Ci.v etYj OCtJ't'cX 'rE et.u't'oic;
XCXl XexTa. o rifL'P0TEPex TE XOCl
ciVO/-LOLO-rCC'Ca. ...
Y..!.VOUVEUEt."
.. 06'('w Ol] 't'oc cX.AACT. c.tU't'cX. 'rE OCt)"rOLC; XOCL OCAAlfAov;, op.ot.cX 'rE ){OCL civc,!J.
OLOC
ii.v EL1),"
.. ou'tlJ>;."
,. xa:1 'rOCt)''COC XOCL t't'EPOC XOCL XtVOU/-LEVCl ){OCL Eo"rw'toc, XOCl
1tI1V't'OC 'to: '/!XV't!.OC ouxe't't. Xa.AE1tW,; 1tE1tOVSO-roc 't':1AA(l
-raG EVOC;, EitEL1tEP 't'cxG't'oc E'PI1'rlj rrE:1to,AM't'(X."
"
....
Text and Translation: 158e-159b
LlKENESS/UNLlKENESS
"So are they not also both like and unlike each other and themselves?"
- "In what way?"
"Insofar as they are all unlimited somehow according to theit own
nature, rhey would all be affected in the same way,"
- "Certainly,"
"And, insoFar as they all partake of limit, in this way. too, they would
all be so affected as to be 'the same',"
- "How could it be otherwise?"
"However, insoFar as they are both limited and unlimited, they would
suFFer qualifications that are opposites of each other,"
-"Yes,"
"But opposites are as unlike as possible,"
- "To be sure."
"So in respect to either of these two qualifications they would be like
themselves and each other, but in respect of both qualifications they
would be both utterly opposite and unlike themselves and each other."
- "Probably so,"
"Thus. the others themselves would be both likes and unlikes both of
themselves and of each other."
- "So they would be,"
ALL QUALIFICATIONS
"And, since in Fact they were shown to have these [particular] qualifi-
cations, we shall have no further difficulty in finding that the things
'other than the one' are both the same as and different from each
other, both in motion and at rest, and have undergone all the opposite
qualifications,"
- "You are right."
e
159
b
c
d
186 Plato's Parmenides
" Guy-cuv. El Tocihcx !-LEV w:; cpocvtpa., tfCLO'y"01'[OtfLEV oE
7tclAt.V. ev et eaTLV, eXpex KexL OUX ou-rwr; eXet "to: riAACl TOU OU'(OO
!-Lova'!;
" 1tclVV !-lev OUv."
.. AEYWf.LEV o-J; EV e:l. eaTt, -d TO:. IiAACX TOO E:,)o:;
1te1tovlMvCllC."
" AEywfl-ev yocp."
. lip' 00'.1 013 xwpL; !LEV 't'o EV 't'W'J rJ:AAwv, xwpt:; oe "niA)"Cl TOO EVO:; elvoc!.; "
.. -r;t ..
.. c'n. 1tOV aux EaTL 1tCXp2l 'tocu't'OC E"C'EPOV, 8 &'),./"o !-Li) EO'Tt -rOU Elo:;. a.AAa
8e 'COov ilAAWV. 1tOCV'CCll Y"'P etP'l)'CCllC, O'CCllV 'C6 'CO ev XCllt 'Ca.).ACll."
1tcbrroc yap."
11 " 1" ".. " - ,- ,
.. oux a.pcx eT e::O'''tLV E'tEpOV 't'OU't'W\I, EV TO "C'E EV !Xv EL11 ocu't'tp 'Kocr.
Tcx.)"Ao:."
.. OU ya.p."
.. OUOi1tOTe: V E<ITL "Co EV xai Ta),ACX."
.. QliR eOLXEV:'
.. XWPL:; a.pa.; ..
.. v!XL."
.. OUoe: /-L-fJV fLOP!.&' ye: EXELV cpOCf.LEV 't'O wc:; OC),,'Ij,sw:; e.'I,"
.. 1tWC; yocp; ..
.. OUT' Iipoc OAO'I et1J av 'to EV EV 'tOte; rl.AAOr.C; OU'tE ocu'toO. EL xoop[C;
, - ...... ) " '... 11 '"
'tE EO'"'tr. 'toov oc/\ ,oov Y..a.r. !J.opr.a. l,rr; EXEr.. -
.. 1tWC; ycip; ..
.. OUSE'Jt apoc 'tPOittfl /J-E"t'EX0[, a'J "C&AAOC 'tou xa.'tOC /J-Opr.O'1 't'[,
OCU'tou xcx'ta. OAO\l /J-E't"EXO'J'tOC."
.. OUY.. tOLY..E'J."
III <<i>IlEV) EWIlE" BT.
112 'X") <;cn BT.
Text and Translation: lS9b-d
FOURTH ARGUMENT
"Well. then. if we now leave these [findings] as evident. might we also
examine in turn whether. <if one is',lIj the things 'other than one' are
only in this way and not in any other way?"
- "By aIJ means."
"Let's state from the beginning what qualifications things 'other than
the one' must have, 'if one is'."
- "Yes, let us."
"So is not the one separate from the others, and the others separate
from the one?"
- "Why?"
"Because presumably there is besides them nothing else that is other
than the one and other than the others. for all things have been men- c
tioned whenever both the one and the others are mentioned."
- "Yes. all things."
"So there is no further thing different from them. in which both the
one and the othets might be in the same."
- "No, there is nor."
"So the one and the others are never in the same."
- "It seems not."
"So they are separate?"
-"Yes."
"And further, we say that what is truly one does not have parts."
- "How could it?"
"So neither could the one be in the others as a whole, nor could parts of
it be in them, if it is separate from the others and does not have parts."
- "Of course not."
"So the others could in no way partake of the one, neither of any part d
of it, nor of it as a whole."
- "Apparently not."
113 There seems to be an inconsistency in [he wording of this hypothesis (\I El.
EC1'tW) when compared to the hypotht!sis of Argument I. "if it is one" (d &\1
EO'nv). The wording here appears to allude to the hypothesis of Argument 11,
"if one is." However, as Argument IV shows, the object "O[hers than one"
is not associable with the "nnc plus being" composite of Argument 11; in
particular. 159d7 demonstrates thiu if is impossible for the "others than one"
[0 be many, thus they are not a "weaving together" but merely spoken of as
a simple attribute.
e
[60
b
[88 Plato's Parmenides
.. Qv3O:!J.n ::lPO: ev TcX/\AO: EaTt-v. EX-EL EV EV QuSEV,"
.. ou yocp 00'1)."
.. DUO' a.po: iCOAAO: ea'tt -rOCAAoc. EV yocp a.v ex!Xcr"tov Clll'twV fJ.OP[.QV 'tou
OAOU, et. 7tO).,AOC vf)') SE OUTE ev QU't'E 1tOAAO: DUTE OAO\l QUTE !-LOpto:
Errn 'r&'AAa. 'rou Ev6r;, a.u'rou ouoa.fLf, fLE're';(EL."
..
'\', , " ", ,,,)...,,,, 114 '
.. OUO r:xprx. OUO OUOE -rpt.<X. DU't'e: o:u't'!X eO''t"L TO: IX ,Aa. QU'!: evecr't'l.\I E'V
e:L1tep 'tOU &'10:; G't'EPE't'CXf.."
..
.. Ouoe OfJ.ot.o: cipcx. xo:t OCVO!J.O['OC OU'tE Gtu-rci Ea'tL 't't!l evt. 't'cX. (}.)..)..oc,
OU't'E '1 0fJ.0LO'C'IjC; XCXL aVOfJ.OLO't'l)C:;;. El. yocp 0fLOLOC XCX:!.
OCVO/-LOr..cx CXLI''C"a. eL'l) EXOL EV eocu't'otc; OfJ.OLo"n'j'roc XIX!. ciJ0fJ.ot.o't'l)"C'CX. Suo
1tOU do EVa.V'rLa. '-;(0' <Xv EV Ea.U'rO', 'rlt. iJ.AAa. 'rou Ev6r;."
.. qnlLvE-rIXL."
.. oe' yE tiMva."(ov lluotv n'lo"1 fLE1:E;(W <7. "vor; fLE"(E;(O'."
.. ciSu\loc't'ov."
'" '"'' " , " " " 1 " 1",...." ,
.. OUT ClpCX O!J.Ot.O: OUT OCVO/i0t.o: e:CJ't't.V OU't' exY.CPO't'EpO: 'LO:I\I\Cl. OI-LOt.Cl !LEV
ya.p OCV OV't'Cl -1j tlVOI-LOt.Cl &;v 'LOU doou; I-LETX0t.. tlfJ.'PO'LEPO:
oE chrro: OUOLV 'tOtV Evo:vdot.v 't'O:U't'Cl oE tlouvO:'LO'J icpcXv"Ij."
.. clAlHi"
.. Quo' ocpoc 't'oc ocu't'oc OUO' E't'EpCl. oUOE: xt.vouI-L&VOC ouok ECJ'L6rra.. ouok
y,yvOfLEva. ouoE cl1tOAAUfLEVa., ouoE fLEtS'" ouoE i),ch"(", oullE 'rra. ouoE
ouoe:v 7tE1tOVSE 't'c71v 't'ot.Ou't'wv. EL ycip 't'1. 'tOt.QUTOV 1tE7to'JSiwn
U7t0tJ.EVEI. 'toc a.AAo:. Y..o:t Ever; xo:t OUOtV xo:t 'Lpt.Wv xo:t 1te:pt.'t't'OU Y..IXL
OCP1:LOU 6>V a.U1:0'r; clO"',a.1:0V E'f':XV fLE"(E;(ELV 1:0U EVOr; yE mivrr,
itcXV'tw,:; O''t'e:P0f-/..E\lOI.t;.''
.. tiA1jDa't'a:rlX."
114 lv!:ct(.v] EV ionv BT.
liS vonv] v O-rL'J BT.
Text and Translation: lS9d-160b
OTHERS LACK ONENESS
"In no way. then, are the others one. nor do they have any oneness in
themselves."
-"No."
"So neither are the others many. for if they were. each of them would be
one part of a whole. But as it is, things other than one are neither one
nor many. neither whole nor parts, since they in no way partake of it."
- "Right."
"Thus. the others themselves ate neither two nor three, nor is two or
three present in them. if indeed they are entirely deprived of the onc," e
"J " - ust so.
"So the others themselves neither are like and unlike the one. nor is
likeness and unlikeness in them. For if they themselves were like and
unlike. or had likeness and unlikeness in themselves. things othet than
the one would presumably have in themselves two Forms opposite to
each other."1I6
- "Apparently."
"But it was impossible for what could not partake of anyone thing to
partake of any two,"
- "Impossible."
"So the others are neither like, nor unlike. nor both. For if they were
like or unlike. they would partake of one of the two Forms, and if they [60
wete both. they would partake of two opposites. But that was shown
to be impossible."
-uTrue."
"So they are neither the same nor different, neither in motion nor at
rest, neither coming to be nor ceasing to be, neither greater. nor less
nor equal. Nor do they have any other qualifications of this sort, For
if the others are subject to any qualification of this sort. they will also
partake of one and two and three and odd and even. but it was shown
that it is impossible for them to partake of these things. since they are
in every way utterly deprived of the onc," b
- "Very true."
116 Again. there are two ie.s.sons here, and wc follow the same a.s above.
Plato's Parmenides
, \},., '" , , , , ., 117 ' ,. I'"
.. OU'C(r} EV EL ecr't'tv, 1tOC'lrrtl 't'E ecr"C'L 1'0 ev KOCt. OUOE ev EeJ"tl, KZ!. rrpo,:>
EOCU't'O xo:.t 't'o:. &').).,0: wmx'u't'w:;."
i , '? ..
.. 7tOCV't'EII.W:; !-LEV QUV.
117 ouSE: EV T: ou(')e:v B.
Text and Translation: 160b
FINAL CONCLUSION: 'IF ONE IS'
"Therefore, 'if one is', the one both is all tbings and is not even one
thing, both in relation to itself and, likewise, in relation to the others."
- "Entirely so."
c
d
e
192
Plato's Parmenides
.. Elev' EL ae: S7j O''t't. 'Co EV .. d. autL{3o:be:l.,\I, ap' au aY-E7tTio')
f1
E
'tOC 'rOUTO liS; ..
.. O'XE7t't'EOV yocp."
.. "C'L<; OUV av d'" o:;()-r"1} EL ev !J.1j CJ'tl.v: apeX Tt 8t.a.cpipEt
"Cijaoe:. et. ev I-l-fj E(J"n.v: ..
" S,,,,,!,,:p" fL':V'CO'."
Of OLctq>epe:t. !-LOVO'), 1; xo:t 1ttlV TOUVcx.V't'LOV E:O''t'l.v d1te:Lv. El. !J.lj v eaTt.
TOU d EV eO'''Cl.v;
.. 7tcX.v 't"ouvcx.v"cLov."
" .. , S' or My"" EL fL':YEltOC; Eanv 'r, Ean'J n
&;')..)..0 't'wv 't"otauTwv, &poc Ecp' EXcXO'-rOU :Xv o"n 't'e:pO\l 1't. Aiya!. "Co
0'1;
.. 1((XVU YE,"
" QUx.ouv xa.t vu\' 31')/..oL 01:'t. 'tEpOV Ae:yEt. ;;wv 'to Ill) QV. O't'ClV et1t?j
E.'J El f.L';' Eo'n, xocl. 0 AiYEt; ..
Lcr!J.EV."
.. 1tpCrt'ov !-Le', yvwO'-r6v Tt. )..iYEf.., E7tEI."C(l e-re:pov 't'W\I i1.A"A.c.uv, o"CO:v
.. " 1" , - (\'" ',' y' 11')
d7t,r. e:v, ELTE TO Ef.V(Xt. EL't'E 't'O !-L'/ EI.Vet!, DU '-v a:.p
y'yvwaXE .. "", .. , .. 6 AEYOfLEVOV Elv"". XIX' on Sui,!,0pov .. Wv
OCf..A.WV, ou; ..
.. cXvOCyi!"Ij."
" c1SE "P'" AEx .. Eov ocpx-iis, EV EL Ea .. " .. , ELV"". 1tpw .. ov fLi:v
. , ... S'
ovv 't'ou't'o umipXEt.v od, EOt.X.EV. ETtLO''t'1J!.l'lJv.1J 11-1) E
o "Ct. f..EyE't':lL YLyvWcrX.EO'&OCt.. o't'ocv EL1t71 EV d !.l-IJ ea't'Lv,"
"'Alt-"
'" '1 '1. , _
.. ouxoOv xoct 't'eI a.f..AOC E"CEPOC IXU-COU dVCXL.1j !J:ljoe ex.ei>Jo E-cepov -cwv
"AAwv A':YEalt",,; "
" ntXvu ye."
Y..cxt ocPO', ea-ctv 1tpOr; "C-n E7tLO"Cl){i1l. ov yxp Tij'J "Cwv
"AAwv hEpoCOq-ra. AEyE', 1"'",'1 .. 0 EV hEpov .. wv rJ.Hwv /..Err., ocAM.
iXeL'JOu."
.. lIocL VE-rOCL."
118 t"ou'to T: -ra.trra. B.
119 apogr.: om. Tb (0,)81:v ... etvocc om. B: add. b in marg.).
,..
Text and Translation: 160b-e
193
FIFTH ARGUMENT
DIFFERENCE
"So Far, so good. But should we not examine next what must follow
'if the one is not'?"
- "Yes, we should."
"What then, would this hypothesis mean: 'iF one is not'? Does it differ
at all from this hypothesis: 'if not-one is not'?"
- "Of course it differs."
"Does it merely differ, or is saying ' if not-one is not' the complete c
opposite of saying 'if one is not'?"
- "The complete opposite."
"What if someone were to say 'iflargeness is not' or 'if smallness is not'
or anything else of that sort, would it not be clear that in each case he
is speaking of something different that is not'"
- "Of course."
"And so in the present case, roD, whenever he says 'if one is not', isn't
it clear that that which he says 'is not' is different from other things,
and don't we recognize what he means'"
- "Yes, we do."
"So in rhe first place, he speaks of something knowable, and in the
second, of something different From the others when he says 'one', d
whether he adds being or not being ro it. For whatever is said 'nor to
be' is nonetheless known, and also that it is different from the orhers.
Is it not?"
- "Necessarily."
"So at rhis point, we must state from the beginning 'if one is not' what
must be (the case]. First, as it seems, this must pertain ro it, (namely)
that there is knowledge of it; orherwise, it would not be known what
is meant whenever someone says 'if one is not ...
-"True."
"And so the others mUSI be diFferem from il, or else it cannot be spoken
of as different from the others."
- "Of course."
"So 'difference in kind' belongs to it in addition to knowledge (of it].
For when someone says that ' the one is different from the others', he e
refers to its difference in kind, not to that of rhe others."
- "So it appears."
161
b
c
194
Plato's Parmenides
.. xo:.1. TOO ye: EX.e:tVOU xo:,t TOU XOCL 't'ou't'ou xoc!. 't'ou"t'l{) xtli
't'ou't'w'J xocr. rrtiv't'wv 'tOO\! 't'm.ou't'wv !.lE't'EXe:t 'to QV ev' ou YO:p r1.V 'to EV
EAEyE't'O QUO' iiv "toO :VOt; e't'Epoc, ouS' exe:tvcp rl.V 't't. ouS' ex.dvou, ou8'
oc'J 't'L EAiYE't'O. El. TOO 'tt-VD; Gttl"t'i;l !J.E"C"1)V -rwv OCAACJ)'IJ 't'ou't'wv."
.. 0 p.sw;."
.. dvoct. u.ev 't'W EVL oUX 0[6\1 'rE:, d1tEP ye E(J"rt., !.lE't'EXELV Se TCQAAWV
ouSev xo:.t- ciV6:.YKIJ, Et1tEP TO yE EV xo:r. rJ.J..)"Q
ecf't't.v. f1.EV't'Ol. 't'o EV Exdvo !J."fj eO'''C'o:.t, OCAAO: itEP1. &'AAOU
6 )..oya:;, ouSe cp-geyyecrDcn Sei OUOEV' EL De 'to EV exe:ivQ
&')..),0 U1tOX.EL't'OCL dvo:.t. xocr. 'tou Ex,dvou xai OCAAW'J rr:.OAAW'J ocva;yx:fJ
I-'-E't'EtVo:.t,"
" xo:.i. 1tcX.VU YE."
" Koc1. ciVO!J.OLO-r1JC; ocpo:. eO'-rLv ocu-r0 1tpOC; 'to: oc)..).,o:.. 't'oc yo:p iAAOC 'tou
r '" " r '"''''
e:vo; e:'t'e:po: OV't'o: e:'t'e:POLO: Y..O:L e:L"fJ 0:'11
.. '110:[."
.. er ETe:poio: OUY.. OCAAOio:; ..
.. S' OU; ..
" S' OCAAOio: OUY.. OCVO/-Lm.o:; "
, , "
.. O:V0!l-0l.O: !J.e:v ouv.
" OUY..OUV d1te:p 't'c!> EVt OCVO!J.OL:X ia't'L. S-t;AOV O't'L OCVO!J.OLC}) 't'0: ye OCVO!J.OLO:
OCVO!LOl.O: &.'11 dOIJ."
" S'ijAOV."
" e:t1J S-Ij OCV Y..o:t 't'ei> EVL a.AAo: OCVO!J.OLO: O:U't'ei>
ia't'L'I."
" eOl.Y..EV."
.. e:l. SE: 't'wv iAACiJ'I EaTtv o:U't'ei>. ap' oUY.. OCv6:YKIJ EO:U't'OU
I , '; "
o!J.Oto't'"fJ't'o: o:u't'C}) e:tVo:l.,
..
" d EVO!; ecr't't 't'ei> eve.. OUY.. &.'11 1tOU rre:pL 't'ou 't'Ol.O\)'t'OU 6
e:t"fJ OLOU 't'oO 8:'10;, ouo' ClV (l1to&e:aL; e:t-Ij 1te:pL rrEpL
&'AAOU ij E'IO,;."
" rra.vu ye.."
.. ou Se:i Si ye."
.. ou S1}'t'O:."
p
Text and Translation: 160e-161c
195
"Furthermore, the 'one that is not' partakes of ' that', 'of something',
'of this', 're this', 'of these', and of all others of this sort. For if it did
not partake either of 'something' or of the other things [i.e., notions],
the one could not be spoken of, nor could the things other than one,
nor could anything belong to it nor be of it, nor could it be said to be
anything."
- "That's right." t61
"The one cannot be, if in fact it is not. Still, nothing prevents it from
partaking of many [notions]. However, it must in fact even do so [i.e.,
partake], ifit is indeed that [particular] one and not some other [thing]
that is not. But ifit will be neither the one nor that [other thing] which
is not, and our account is about something else, then nothing should
be urrered at all. But if it is 'that one' and not something else that is
supposed not to be, it must partake of that and of many other [notions]."
- "Yes, certainly."
LIKE/UNLIKE
"So unlikeness, too, belongs to it in relation to the others. For things
'other than the one', since they are different, would also be different
in kind."
_ uYes."
"And are not things that are' different in kind' nor also other in kind?"
- "Certainly."
"Are not rhings 'other in kind' unlike?"
- "Indeed, unlike." b
"Then, if in fact they are unlike the one, obviously what is unlike
would be unlike an unlike."
- "Obviously."
"So the one would also have unlikeness, in relation to which the orhers
are unlike it."
- "It seems this way."
"But if it has unlikeness in regard to the others, must it not then have
likeness in regard to itself?"
- ,cHawsa?"
"If the one has unlikeness in regard to the one, the account would pre-
sumably not be about such a thing as the one, nor would the hypothesis
be about one, but about something other than one."
- "Certainly." c
"But that cannot be."
- "No, it cannot."
d
e
Plato's Parmenides
.. Set ocpo: O(1.o!.o't'"f)'t'oc 't'ti> EVL CXU't'oO EClU-c0 dvcn."
.. SEt."
.. Xcx.L !J.1}V OUO' OCO LO'OV y' elJ''t'L 'tOtC; &),)..0(.;. d yocp et-iJ taoy. d'l] 'rE
a;v Xtl,L OiJ-OLOV Civ Et1j IXtJ"C'OLC; xc:t't'oc "C'ClU't'IX 0' OC!J-cpO't'Epl1
, , " . " ""
CX:OUVIX't'OC, Et1tEP fL'fJ eO''t'{.v E\'.
d:ouvo:."C'(X."
, e7tEt.oTj Se aux eO''t'!. 'tOtC; OCAAOt:; tcrov, Cipo: aux IivocYX-fj XOCL -rtlAAOC
/-':1) tcro:. dvoct.; "
" ocv<iyx,!)."
. \" ." ..
" 't'OC DE (J:fj t.cro:. OUX. ocvc.O'oc;
.. vrxL"
,. 'Ca. Se avt,aoc DU -r0 ocvLcrcp ocv(.(J(x; "
" 1tWC; o ou; "
.. xo:.t a:Vtcro-r1JTO:; Si} !J.E't"EXEt 1:'0 EV, 1tpOC; -rtlAAOC Clu't'0 ECJ'n.v ocvtO'I1; "
" f.LE't'EXEt.."
OCAAOC pbJ't'ol. ocvLero't'"f)'t'oc; y' ecr"ti /-lEye:&6c; 'rE xo:t O'!.I.tx.po-r'f):;."
.. ea'n. yocp."
.. O''t'!.v ocpoc Kcxi !J.Eye:&6:; 'rE x.o:t IJ'/J.!.xpo't"1)C; -r0 't'owu't'':> EvL: "
.. X,!.VOUVEUEt."
" !J.Eye-Soc; !J.-f)v X.OCL O'!1.l.x.po"C"fjC; OCEL OCCPEO''t'OC't'OV
.. rrcXvu YE."
.. &pCl 't't. ClU't'OtV ""EL eO"'t"t.v."
eO"'t"t.v."
eXEt.C; ouv 't't. &"AAO Clu't'oiv -t; "
.. oUY.., ""AAa. 't"00't"0."
.. (ht:> "'prJ. "ern [LEyE&O<; XrJ.L er[LtXpoT'1<;' "ern XrJ.L 1eroT,!)<; rJ.cm;> [LETrJ.!;"
't'01.hot.v OUO"Cl."
.. c.pClLVE"t"Cll.."
'120' \ '" " , .. ',...} I 'EYE' "OU-
o. 't't!l 01'} EVt. fJ-1J OV't"t., WC; Eor..XE, XIXt. t.0"0't"1')'t"0; ClV !J.E't"Et.1'} X"" .. r 'fJ'
y"ClL O"fJ-l.XPO't"1'}'t"o;."
.. EOl.Y..EV."
120 Par. 1810, Heindorf from Ficinus: SE BT.
Text and Translation: 161c-e
"Therefore, likeness must belong to the one in regard to itself."
- "It must."
EQUAL/UNEQUAL
1
97
"Furthermore, it is not equal to the others either, for if it were equal,
it would then be like them in respect to equality, and henceforth be .
Bur both of these are impossible if, in fact, 'one is not'."
- "Impossible."
"Then, since it is not equal to the others, are not the others. tOO, neces-
sarily not equal to it?"
"N 1" - ecessan y.
"Are not things that are not equal unequal?"
-"Yes."
"And are not things unequal unequal to what is unequal?"
- "Of course."
"So the one partakes also of inequality, in relation to which the others d
are unequal to it?"
- "Yes. it does."
"But largeness and smallness belong to inequality."
- "They do."
"So do largeness and smallness also pertain to this kind of one?"
- "Quite likely."
"Yet largeness and smallness always keep furthest apart ftom each other."
- "Certainly."
"So there is always something between them."
- "There is."
"Then can you suggest anything between them other than equality?"
- "No, only that."
"Therefore anything which has largeness and smallness also has equal-
ity, and this is between these [wo."
- "Apparently."
'1\s it seems, the one, even 'ifit is not', would [still] partake of equality, e
largeness, and smallness."
- "So it seems."
b
198 Plato's Parmenides
-----------------------------------
" K",l x",l oua[",<; yE 3Et "'U," fLE't"EXELV "n."
to
.. EXEt.V oc0-r0 oei ou't'w; WC; AEyQ(.LE'J. El. yo:p ou-rw; EXOl.,I2l OUX. &\1
AEYO'fLEV Y,fLEt<; AEYOV't"E<; ," EV EtVIX" d 3, 31,AOV
O'tL QV"C'OC cx.U't'O:. AEYO!J.EV .. OUX ou-rw;: ..
.. Dun.) !J.kv ouv."
" 3E "''''fLE'J MYWI, &:v&:YX1j ",&:VIX' XIX' onIX Atyw."
.. &:v&:YX1j."
.. eO"'t'tv tipo:. WC; EOLKe, 'to EV OUX 0'01. et yo:p EO''COC!. QV. a.AAa: 're. 'tOU
e:lvc.u. ckvijaEt. 7tpO; TO ELvcxt. EUf}U; 0'1'0:[, ov."
.. 7to:v't'tl:rrocm. !J.E:V OU\I."
OEt o:po: OCtl't'o OEO'(J..O'J EXEI..V "t'ou elvoct. 'to dVrlt. QV. El. !J.EAAEl.
!.I.-f) dvc([" O(.LQLW; OOO'TCEP TO QV 't'o (xfj QV EXELV e:t'JOCt.. tvo:. 't'EAEWC; ocO
ft122 OUTWt; yocp OCV TO TE QV (.La:),(.0"-r' riv d'fJ Xcxl. 'to fJ.-fJ QV aux C(V d"fj,
(.LE't'EXQV"C'Cl TO (.LEv QV ouaLocc; 'tOU d'JC"lt QV. oucrLcxc; OE: -roD dvoct.
QV, El. !J.EAAet. 't'EAEWC; dVOCL, 'to OE: QV Quatrx.t; (.LE'.' "CoO dvcu
OV,I24 oucrLoc; oE TOU e:LVClt. 0'.1. d xo:.i. TO 0\1 o:.U TEAEW:; EO'To:.('."
ciA"tJ-SEO'''Co:.''Co:..''
_" _,,. ,_,,, _"1
.. OUXOU'J E7tE(,1tEP "C':J "CE O\l"C(' "COU f1."tJ E(,\lCl(, XCl(, 't'':J !.l."tJ O\l"C(' 't'OU E(,\lo:.t.
!J.E"CEO'''Ct., xcxt E\lt, OUX EO'''Ct, -roO d\lClt. ci\lliyx"tJ !.l.E"CEL\lClt d:;
't'o el\lClt.."
.. ci\lliyx'fj."
.. xoci. ouO'tOC CPOCt\lE"Co:.t E\lt, d EO'''Ct\l.''
.. cpo:.t\lE"CClt.."
.. XClt ouO'to:. a.po:., d7tEP EO'''C(,'J.''
.. 7tw:; 0' DU; "
121 Zxo, Coi,l.: eX" BT.
122 exu e:!vcx(. iJ BT: cxo YJ (or QV-M Shorey.
123 I-lr, add. Shorey.
124 ov Shorey: I-lr, ov BT.
F
Text and Translation: 161e-162b
BEING/NOT-BEING
"Furrhermore, it must also in some way parrake of being."
- "How is that?"
1
99
"It must be as we are describing it, for ifit is not in this way, we would
not be speaking the truth when we say that 'the one is not'. But if we
do speak the truth, it is clear rhar we are saying 'things that are'. Is
this not so?"
- "It is indeed so."
''And since we claim to speak the truth, we must claim also to speak
of 'things that are'."
- "Necessarily."
"It appears, therefore, that the 'one thar is not' is. For if it will not be
not-being, that is to say, if in some way it will let go of being [not-
being] towards not being [not-being], then straightaway it will be that
which is."
- ''Absolutely.''
"So if it [i.e., the one] is 'not to be', not-being must have a bond to
being not-being, just as, in turn, the being has a bond to not being not-
being, in order to completely be. This, above all, would be how 'what
is' is, and how 'what is not' is not. On the one hand, 'what is', if it is
completely to be, parrakes of being in order to be a thing that is, and
[parrakes] of nor-being in order not to be a thing that is not, and, on
the other hand, 'what is not', if what is not is completely not to be,
parrakes of in order not be a thing that is, and of being
In order to be a thIng that is not. m
- "Very true."
"Accordingly, since in facr 'what is' parrakes of not-being, and 'what is
not' parrakes of being, so, too, the one, since' it is not', musr parrake
of being in order not to be."
- "Necessarily."
"So it appears that the one, 'ifit is not', also has being."
- ''Apparently.''
"And so also not-being, if indeed 'it is not'."
- "Of course.'l
125 A good example: the same thing must participate in opposing, that is, com-
present Forms. Parricipadon means participaci on in contraries, which must
be available thus presenr to the mind.
b
c
d
e
200
Plato's Parmenides
u 0[6'.1 LE DUV TO e.XO'J 1tOO; EXELV ou'nll, !-LT; EX
gl;w<;:"
.. OUX orbv 'LE."
.. it&v eXP"- "Co 'tOLOUTO') 0 av oi.l-r(!,) 'rE xa.t ou't'w;
EXr,"
.. 7tW; 8' CU: ..
" 81: y.[v"1)''''; 'f[ "
..
.. OUKOU\I 'to 'J 0') 1'E xoi aUx. QV icpavr,; "
.. ' "
V(XL,
.. oihw; a.pex X(XL DUX ou't'W; EXav <pCXtVE't'CU."
.. ot.x.e:v."
.. KaL a.pex 'to aux. QV EV 1tEcpOCV't'Clt., 1te:L1tEP xa.t
EX TOU e:!vc(t Ent 1'0 !.J.:i) dvctt. xov."
.. X[:vouvUt ...
" eXAM. Ilijv et 1l.,,1l"'lloO ye ean ,W" QV '"'v, w<; oOy. Eanv d,,p !:ernv,
ovo' (.Le:&Lcr"C'cxt:ro 1to&iv 1tm.."
.. 1tWr; yap; ..
.. aux lipoc 't'{!l ye: XLVOt't' av."
.. ou ,ft.p."
" ou81: Ilijv ev -r0 "'';,0 ih a,perpo'1:o' yocp o,;Il"'lloO &"1:E1:"".
QV yeXP Ea'd 'to 't'OCtJ"COV' "Co OE QV EV 't't:> -rwv o'rt'w'J cX.ouvcx:rov dvo:t."
.. ciOUVClTOV yb.p."
.. OUX eXpel. 'LO EV ye: !.l.-It QV G-rptcpe:a&cxt. C{V OU'JO:('TO i'J EXElV'!J EV {fl
EO't(.V."
.. OU yO!p OUv."
.. OUO& 11-1;'01 cXAAowu'tCXt rrou 't"O EV e<xu't"ou, OUTE 't"O 0',1 OU"CE TO j..L'fJ av. OU
ya.p v :;"'',1 0 e;.t'(. rrEpt TaU EVOr;, ditEp -ljAAOLOUTO a.UTO E:CXUTOU.
OCAAIX 1tEpt OCAAOU T(.
..
" EC 81: eX).).O'OO1:"'L (nperpEuL
Of; , ., ., _ ..
CX? av 7t1l ELt. Y.(.VO!.-rO;
.. 1tWC; y:ip; ..
" t ,., ,y t , ..
.. TO yE lXr,v tXY.tV'fjLov rxvrxyx1j 1JouX!.rxv rxYE(.\I, TO oe: e:OLocvrxt..
.. a.VO:YX"fj."
po
Text and Translation: 162b-e
20r
MOTION/REST
"Can somcth i ng that is in some state not be in that state, without
changing from rha, srare?"
- "It cannot."
"So every rhing of rhar sort, wharever borh is in some srare and nor in c
rhar srare, signifies change."
- "Of course."
"Bur change is motion-or whar shall we call ir?"
- "Motion."
"Now wasn'r rhe one shown borh ro be and nor to be?"
-"Yes."
"Therefore, ir appears to be borh: in such a srare and nor in such a srare."
- ICSO it: appears."
"So rhe 'one rhar is nor' has been shown also to move, if indeed ir has
been shown to undergo change, roo, from being [in such a srare] ro
nor being [in such a srate]."
- "Very likely."
"However, if it is nowhere among the 'things that are'-as it is not,
if, indeed, ir is not-it would nOt move from one place ro another."
- "Obviously not."
"So it would not move by changing places."
- "No, it would not."
"Nor would ir revolve in the same place, because it nowhere touches d
the same. For 'whar is the same' is a thing that is, and 'what is not'
cannot be in any of rhe 'things that are'."
- "No, it cannot."
"Therefore, the one, 'if it is not', would nO[ be able ro revolve in that
in which it is nor."
- "No, it would not."
"And, indeed, the one, wherher it is or is not, presumably is nor altered
from irself. For then the account would no longer be about the one, but
abour something orher than ir, ifin fact the one were altered from itself."
- "Thar's righr."
"But if ir is not altered and does not revolve in rhe same place and does e
not change places, could it still move somehow?"
- "How could it?"
"Bur surely, what is unmoved necessarily holds still, and whar holds
still is ar rest."
- "Necessarily."
b
202 Plato's Parmenides
.. 'to ev &.pcx., aux QV Ecr,("t')xi 'Tt xo:t Xt.'JeL't'CXL."
EOLXE'J."
" xIXl d7tEp yE X"/Ei'tIX', cXv<iYX"I] :x0't0 cXAAOLOUcrSIX', 07t?i
ya-.p a.v Tt XLV1jt}'!i, Xct'X 'tocrotrro'J auxEf}' wcro:u-rw; ey"EL dXE'J. a.AA'
e'tip(r)';."
.. o(hw,;."
.. 'to ev XOCL c1:AAm.oLl'rO:L."
.. '/ocL:-
.. Xcx.L ye Xf.'JOU!J.EVOV ouacx/Xn iv ciA/.ot-oho."
.. ou yeip."
.. 'n !-Le\l cipo: Xf.',1EL't'OCL 'to DUX. 0'1 EV, J..AOLOtrr:x.t: on Se X(",1eL't'lXt, aux
ti)..),Qt.OU't'cx!.."
.. ou yeip."
.. 'Co '1 a.poc !.1.lI 0'1 ciA)..OWtl"t'CXt TE xxi. aux. ci:AAOLOtI'CClL."
.. rpa.[veTCU."
.t TO S' !lp' aux c1.vOCyY..lI yiYVEcrSOCL 't'EPOV 1tpO't'EPO'l.
X7tOAAUcrSIX' oi: EX dj, 7tpO'tE:PIX_ 'to oi: cXAAOLOUjJ.E'IOV
ylyvEcrllIX' cX7tOAAucrSIX'; ..
.. ctvciyx."t]."
" xlXl 'to ev OCPIX QV cXAAOLOUjJ.EVO" jJ.i:v ylYVE't:1.l 'tE x:xl cX7tOAAU'tIX',
!J..r, cX.AAOLOUf.LEVOV oe OU'CE yLyVE"C'OCr. OUTE cX7tO)..)..UTOCt: xo:t ou-rw TO E')
1-'-1) 0\1 yLyve:rocL "'rE XO:L ci:1tOAAU't'Il.L, xai OU't'E yi.YVe:TIl.L OUT' OC7tOAAU't'Clt."
.. OU ycip 00V."
126 8y, Heindorffrom Ficinus: SE BT.
Text and Translation: 162e-163b
20
3
"So. as ic seems, the one, <ific is not', is boch at res[ and in motion."
- "So i[ seems."
ALTERED/NOT ALTERED
"And surely, if in fact it moves, it certainly must be altered, for if any-
thing moves in any fashion, to this extent it is no longer in the same
16
3
state as it was, but in a different state."
"J " - ust so .
"Then, since it moves, the one is also altered."
-"Yes."
"And yet, since it in no way moves, it is in no way altered."
- UNo, it is not."
"So insofar as the 'onc that is not' moves, it is altered, but insofar as it
does noc move, it is nor altered."
- "No, ic is not."
"Therefore the one, 'if it is not', is both altered and not altered."
- "It appears so."
"Must not that which is altered come to be different from what it was
before, and also cease to be in its previous state, and must not that b
which is not altered neither come to be nor cease to be?"
- "Necessarily."
"Therefore, the one, too, 'if it is not', both comes to be and ceases to
be, if it is altered, and neither comes to be nor ceases to be, if it is nor
altered. And thus, the one, 'if it is not', both comes to be and ceases to
be, and neither comes to be nor ceases to be."
"Q' " - UlCe so.
c
d
e
Plato's Pormenides
.. E:7tl -r-f)v ocPXTJv tW(-lE\J 1tOCAt.V Ot}6lJ.EVOt. EL -roctl'r!X. -f)fJ.l-I
OC1tEP y.oi VU'I, E'tEPOC,"
. a.AAcX. .. OUXOU') E.V e[ fLit go'C(., cpoc!J.ev. Lt 1tEpL IXlJ't'OU
"
vrxL"
.. i;O Si: eO"C'LV o't"o:.v Aiyw!LEV. &.pa. 't'L &,}..1.O (J'Ij(-lochl:=t r.
, , ..,.. , 't ..
OC1tOU(Jt.OCV 't"DU't'1{l (1.V (J-'I) Et.VO:!.;
" ouai:v IXAAO."
, ".. ,,,, ,, 't , I \
.. 7to't'e::pOV OUV, 01:'0:'01 CPW!-,-EV IX'I ELVOCL "('L, 1tW:; DUX. EL\lCXL cpap.e:v o:.u't'o, 1tw:;
SE ELVCXL; "tOUTO TO (J--f) eCJ't'L Ae:Y0!-lEVQ'J cX.1tAW:; CT1}f.UX.t.'JEL O't'L OUOIX!J.W:;
OUalXiJ.1l "cmv ouaE 1t?l iJ.ETEXEL TO yE QV; "
.. OC1tAOUG-rct-roc !J.EV 00V."
.. QU't'E ocpoc gIven OUVCXl't'O av 'Co QV QU't'E ciAAW:; ouocqJ.wc; ouO'[o::;
(-lE't'EXEl.\I."
"ou yap."
" TO ai: Y'YVEO'DL XlXl TO OC1tOAAUO'&IXL TL IXAAO TO iJ.i:v
i \ \,.' ., "\"\, " "
/-lE't'C(I\OCfJ.t-'OC'VEl.V, 'to 0 OC1tOJ\I\UVIXt Qum.ocv;
.. ouSEV (i)..)..o."
" <f> aE yE iJ.'t)ai:v Tmhou iJ.ETEO'TLV, mh' ocv OUT' OC1tOAAUOL
, n
ocu-co.
.. 1tW; ya.p; ..
.. "C0 E,,,t ecr'tt.'J. OU"CE Ey.:t'eo'J OU"CE li7ta.AACtX"CEO'J
OU'tE ouaLtXs
.. dx,6t;,"
OU"CE a.pcx ,btOA/.U'tCXL "Co QV E'J OU"CE yLyVE'tCXL, E1tELitEp QUOOC!J.-n
oucrL(Xs,"
.. ol. cpexL'JE'tCtL,"
"000' IXp' OCAAOLOU'tIXL oualXiJ.'ii yi:J.p ,b y'YVOL'tO Te "lXl OC1tOAAUOLTO
"COU'to 1tOC<JXOV,"
" OCA't)&1j ."
" Et ai: OCAAOWUTIXL, OUX OCVOCYX't) XLVECO'l)IXL; "
127 Heindorf: T. BT.
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Text and Translation: 163b-e
205
SIXTH ARGUMENT
"Let us once more go back to the beginning to see whether things
appear the same to us as they do now, or differenr. "
- "Indeed, we should."
"So let uS ask, 'if one is not', what consequences must follow for it ?" c
- "Yes,"
ABSENCE OF BEING
"Whenever we say 'is nor', does this signify anything orher than the
absence of being for what we say is not?"
- "Nothing else."
"When we say that 'something is not', are we saying that in a way 'it is
not', yet in a way 'it is? Or does the expression 'is not' signify simply
without qualification that 'what is not' in no sense or manner is, and
that it does nor partake of being in any way whatsoever?"
- "Without any qualification whatsoever."
"So 'what is not' could neither be, nor partake of being in any other d
way at all."
- "No, it could not,"
"Were not 'coming-ta-be' and 'ceasing-to-be' nothing other than tak-
ing part in being, in one case, and relinquishing being, in the other?"
- "Nothing other than this."
"But what does not partake of this [i. e. , being] at all could neither
obtain nor relinquish it."
- "How could it?"
"So the one, since it in no way is, must neither have, nor relinquish,
nor take parr in being in any way."
- "That is plausible."
USa the one that is not' neither ceases to be nor comes to be, since in
fact it does nor partake of being in any way."
- "Apparently not."
NO CHANGE, MOVEMENT, REST, OR OTHER QUALIFICATIONS
"So neither is it altered in any way. For if it were to undergo this, it e
would then both come to be and cease to be."
-"True."
"And ifit is not altered, necessarily it must not move either?"
b
206 Plato's Parmenides
.. civocyxlj."
" ouSe Eo"rlivoct TO /xIjOOC/iOU QV. 'Co yap eO"'t'o; EV -re!> cx.U-r0
't'{.VL o:(: ciEt. e:tVo:.L."
"-r0 OCU-r!l,128 1tW; yo:p au; "
.. ou-rw o:.U TO QV 1tQ't'E: Ea-rO:VOCL xt.vEiaDo:.t AEYW!J.EV."
" ya.p oOv."
.. ciAAO:. ouo' ean. ye: IXtrr0 1:'t. TbN ov't"wv. yocp &',1 'rOU (J.E't'EXQV
Qv't'or; ouaLoc; /iE-rEXOL,"
" Il"ijAOV."
.. OU"CE ocpo:: !J.Eye:.oo; OU"t'E O'l-'-tx.po"t'YjC; OU-rE ocu't'0 80'1:'(,',1."
" ou yocp."
" QUOE !J.1}V o!J.Oto-rYJ; ye: ouSe E:'t'Epm.o't'Yj; OUTE 1tpO; o:trro OUTE 1tpO;
-ra.f..AOC d'lJ av ocLl"r0."
.. ou CPOCtVE't'OCL."
.. -rL Se; -ra.AAIX EcrS' 01tW; oCV Et1J cxu-r0. EL 1l-"fJ0E:V oct,.r0 oet dvo:.t; "
.. aUx. EO''t'LV.''
.. OU't'E OCpCl of.Low: OUTE ciV0!J.0LOC OU't'E 't'ocu't'O:. aLi3-' E't'Epci: eO'n.v cxu-r0 '"CO:.
OCAAa.."
" ou yocp."
,. Tt Si: 'to exdvou TO exe:tvc:-> 'to Tt TO 'roUTO 1) TO 't"ou't'OU &.).),ou
OCAAt:l -1j rcO't'E 1tEt't'OC VUV :1tt.0"-rY;/J-1l
QVO/J-OC &.1.1.0 o't'WUV 't'WV Ov-rWV 7tEpt 't'O /J-1] QV EO"'t'OCt.; "
.. oux eO"'t'oct.."
" oU't"w EV OUX QV OUX EXEt. OUOOCfJ-n."
" ou"ouv EO,,,':V ye oull"'[J.ii "x.e"."
128 't'0 cxu't'0 BT (B gives it to the other speaker); TO CJ;UTO al.
Text and Translation: 163e-164b
- "Necessarily."
"Nor will we say then that 'what is nowhere' is at rest, for what is at
rest must always be in the same thing."
- "In the same thing, of course."
"Thus, let us say again that 'what is not' is not ever at rest nor in
. "
motion.
"Q' " - Ulte so.
"But in fact, nothing among the 'things that are' belongs to it, for
by partaking of 'this, that is' [i.e., anything that is], it would at once
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partake of being."
- "Obviously."
"So neither largeness nor smallness nor equality belongs to it."
- "No, they do not."
"Furthermore, neither likeness nor difference in kind would belong to
it, neither in relation to itself nor in relation to the others."
- "Apparently not."
NO RELATIONS
"And what about this? Can the orhers be related to it, if, by necessity,
nothing belongs to it?"
- "They can nor."
"So the others are neither like it nor unlike it, neither the same as nor
different from it."
- "Indeed not."
"And what of this: will 'of that', 'to that', 'something', 'this', 'of this', 'of b
another', 'to another', or time past, or afterwards, or now, or knowledge,
or opinion, or perception, or an account, or a name, or anything else
among the 'things that are' pertain to 'what is not'?"
- "It will not."
"Thus the one, 'if it is not', is not in any state at all."
- "No, it appears to be in none whatsoever."
c
d
208 Plato's Parmenides
.. "En or, AEY"'fLEV. E'J EL fL-I] E'ern. 'r,xAAIX 'rL XPT, 1tE1tovlli,IXc."
" 'Aeywp.Ev ya:p."
.. !-lEV 1tOU od ClU't'O:. dvc,u: ei YO:P lJ:'JOE: ri.)..} .. u. ECrttv. QUy" a.v 1tEpt
'rWV lin"", Ai
I
OC1;O."
.. ou-rw."
.. Et DE 1tEpt 't'wv )..),CJlV /; 'to:. ye: OCAA;J. 't'EpOC EO''t'!.v. aux E7t!. -rt;l
cxthw TO 'rE &')..AO XCXt TO E'tEpOV; ..
.. Eywye."
" ""EPOV oi li 1tOU 'PIXfLEV 'ro ""EpOV ElvIXc hipou. XIX' 'ra lino 0'" liA/,o
e:LV!U OCAAOU; .,
.. va.L"
., .,......"., ? "......" ..
.. Y..<X.L 'tOte;: clAAo!.<; ocpo:, et llAAEt. OCAAOC ELVCXL, eO''tt. 't't. ou a.f\.r.(1. ecr"t'!X.t..
.. ocvocyx,1]."
" 'rL 0-1] ouv <Xv Er1); 'r00 fLEV IOCP /:vac; ovx E'er""c linlX. fLT, 0'J'r0<; YE."
.. OU yocp."
'.,' .. "
" OCAA+,A"'V liplX Eer'rL' 'r00'r0 yocp IXU1;O'C; En "EmE'rIXC. 'I) ECVIXC
cXAAot.C;."
"" Sw.."
p """ "I. .". , ... r'
" XGt1;OC liplX EXGtO'rIX IXAA'I)A"'V IXA"IX EMt. XIX'rGt EV YGtp OUX IXV 0 IX
'LE d"f!. QV"roe; ri)...).: exoccr-roc;. w; Eor.Ke:v, 6 oyxoC; I7..trri::N OCitE!.POC;
tern 1tA+,SEC. x<Xv 'ra "fLtXPO'rIX'rov ooxoOv ELVIXt n<;. Wer1tEp OVIXP
, 'r ' " r \ I)'t:' ';' '\i .... : .... )
EV U1tvc:-> CPIXtVE't'OCL E'-,IXt.cpVlJC;: a:v't't EV0C;: oc.,!X.'rroc;: Et.'JOC!. 1tOl\fI. ..... "" .... '" ..,."
erfLtXPO'rOC'rou 1tlXfLfLiYESe, 1tpat; 'rOC xEpfLIXn1;ofLevIX IXlhoO."
.. opSo-ro:."C'oc."
... .. <;' ... i 'f' ...
.. 't'o['Olhwv ai] 0yx,6lV aAAa. aAA1)A6lV (7,.') Et1j T(7,.I\I\a.. El lJ.11
aAACY. Err'rtv."
" XOfLtllfi fLEv ov.,."
Text and Translation: 164b-d
SEVENTH ARGUMENT
"Let us state then how the others are affected 'if one is not'."
- "Yes, we should."
OTHER THAN EACH OTHER
209
'They must somehow be other, for if they were not even other, one
wou Id not be speaking of 'the others'."
"J " - uS[ so.
"But if the account is about the others, rhe others are different. Or
do you not apply [the designations] 'other' and 'different' to the same
c
- "Yes, I do."
"And don't we say that the different is somehow different from a dif-
ferent, and that the other is other than another?"
-"Yes."
"So if the others are to be other, there is something of which they will
be other."
- "Necessarily."
"So what would that be? For rhey will not be other rh an the one, if
indeed it is not."
- "No, they will nor."
"So they arc other than each other, since that is the only possibility
left, lest they be other than nothing."
- "That's right."
"So they each are other than each orher as multitudes, for they could d
not be so as ones, 'if one is not'. But, as i[ seems, each mass of them is
unlimited in multitude, and even if someone were to take what seemed
to be smallest, instantly, like a dream [appears] in sleep, instead of
appearing to be one it appears many, and instead of smallest it appears
enormous, in relation to [any] minute bits extracted from it."
- "That is right."
"It is [only] as masses of this sort rhar the others would be other than
each orher-if they are orher, and rhe one is nor."
"Q' " - une so.
e
b
210 Plato's Parmenides
, "S'"
.. ouxoDv noXAoL OYXOL EO'OV't'OCt, d.; CPlX.LVOP.EVOC;. CiJV e: QU,
Et7tEp EV ea't'(lt; ..
" oU't'w."
.. XOCL tipc.Bp.oc; DE: Elven OCLl"C'WV EtitEp x(xi EV EXOCO'''C'QV. TtOAAb>V
ov't'WV."
.. 7tO:VU YE,"
.. XOCL TcX fLE:V apt'tcx. 't'cX. OE: 1tEPt:t"t'OC EV cltJ't'oiC; QV't'1X aux OCA"f)&WC;
c.pOCLVE't'OCt. etrcEp EV EO''t"OCt.''
" ou yocp 00'01."
, "'" '129 ' - , - .1l0
.. Xcx.L x.cd. ap.txpo't'o::t'ov ye:, cpocp.e:v, OOSEt. ev ocu't'ou; Evet.v_Il.L
cpOCL'JE't'ClI.. OE: "COULD 7toAAa. XOCL !J.e:yIiAoc rrpoc; EKOCO''t'OV 't'wv 7tOAAWV WC;
crp.tXpwv ov't'wv."
.. 1tWC; S' DU; ..
.. xrxl raa:; 't"ai:; 1tOAAai:; xrxl afLtxpai:; Exrxa't"a:; ayxa:;
Elvrxt" au yllp iY.-J Ex El:; tArx't"'t"av
'l'rxtVOfLEVO:;, 1tplv El:; 't"o eAitEiv 't"ou't"o I)' &.v
cpOC'V"C'OCO'(J..OC
" dx.6c;."
.. ouxoGv xcx.l. 1tpOC; (J.AAOV oyxov 7tEplXC; EXriJV, OCU't'OC; yE .
\ ""''' '" "
tI , , " , " I " "
oun rxpX1JV OU't"E 1tEPrx:; OU't"E fLEI1av EXWV:
.. - 0' ..
1t"(j 1J; ,,, ,.., I
.. Q"t'[, tid octJ"t'wv o't'c.tv 1:'[:; "t't. 't"j} ot(J;',I0tq: 't't 't'OU'tlUV 0',1, 1tpO
, , A
't"E 't""ij:; cipx"ii:; IXAIe" cid 'l'rxL"'t"rxt cipxTj, fLE't"rx 't"E 't"E E;EPrx
LI1tOAEt1tOfLeV1J 't"EAEU't"Tj, tv 'rE 't"0 fLea,!, IXAArx fLECJrxL't"EPrx 't"ou fLECJOU,
CJfL'XPO't"EprxOe, otll 't"o ouvrxCJitrxt !:vo:; rJ.u't"wv Exa.a't"ou
" '" - , ..
OC't'E OUX OV'tOC;; 'tou EVOC;;.
129 EV Heindorf: BT.
130 eve:Lvl1.:c.] '.1 e:!vocc. B: Ehocc. T.
131 T: B.
132 y< G. Hermann: T< BT.
Text and Translation: 164d-165b
2II
DOXA
"So won't there be many masses then, each appearing, but not being,
one, if indeed one is not to be?"
"J " - ust so.
"And they will seem to have [some] number, ifin fact each is also one, e
though they are many."
- "Certainly."
"And some among them appear even and some odd, without truly
being so, if in fact one is not to be."LB
- "Of course."
"Furthermore, we say, a smallest, too, will seem to be among them,
but this appears as a many, and [also] large in relation to each of that
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many, because they arc smaller [still]."
- "Of course."
':And each mass will be conceived to be equal to these many small
things. For it could not, in appearance, shift from larger to less, before
seeming to enter an in-between state, and this would be [only] a sem-
blance of equality."u4
- "That's quite likely."
"So will it not appear to have a limit in relation to anorher mass, while
in relation to itself have neither beginning, nor Iimir [i.e., end], nor
middle?"
- "How so?"
"Because whenever someone grasps something in thought as if it were
any of these [i.e., beginning, middle, or end], before rhe beginning b
another beginning always appears, and after the end a different end
remaining appears, and in the middle others more in rhe middle than
the middle [appear] but smaller, because ir is not possible to grasp each
of these as one, since 'the one is not'."
133 Again, Plato seems to have irrational numbers in mind.
134 Appearance vs. consistency: Onc must seek consistency-the mind provides
consistency even where there is none. er. 164d: the rhings will appear [0 have
number if they appear to have oneness, without actually having ir. If they are
many, rhey appear to have number; rhus, they appear to be odd and even,
etc. (i.e., all the mathematical rules should be applicable). Plato shows that
even ar the level of Doxa, rationaliry can be applied because of the mind's
penchant for recognizing or providing patterns, to seek whar is consistent.
Even if things appear in a certain way-wirhour actually being so-what
appears can nonetheless be counted. Thus, the rules for counting will apply.
c
d
e
212 Plato's Parmenides
.. OCAl).f)EO'TCl.TOC."
" &pU7tTea&ot< 1.1' OLI'-ot<, civOtyxYJ miv TO Ib, 0 a.v
.,fl. '" , "" A' '"''
'n:; fl.CXt-'(J -rn OI.<X.VOI.q.. yexp 7tOV O:VEU E'/O'; OCLEt. ' ':1.'.1.
.. 7tO:.'/U OU'I."
.. ouxoOv TO ye: TOI.OlrrOV 7tOppwSe:v OpW'J't't. X(lL EV
cpcd.ve:O-So:t.1.\7 eyyuDEv oe: VOOUVTL OC1tELPOV EV
KCXO-rOV cpo:.v-iivO'.I., e:t1tEP (J't'epE't'oct. TOO /LT, OV't'OC;: ..
.. I "
ClVOCYXCX,LOTO:TOV iJ.EV OUV.
.. OUTW OC1tEt.PX 't'E XClL 1tepoc.; eXOVTCl. Kat EV XCXL 1tOA)..OC EX':1.O"TOC TtlAAtl
Set cpcx[vEaDcx(., EV El. EO''t'LV. 't'OCAArlI.
H1
SE: TOO &v6.;,"
" od yOtp."
.. ouxoOv X.OCL O!J.OLcl 't'E xo:i. cXvo!-,-OI.OC e:Ivo:t.: ..
" 7til 0-1); "
.. orav iaxtctypexq:tl)flEVo:. a.1toO''t'cXVTL (.LEV EV TCciv'tIX q>o:.L'JO(J-EVcx. TCXlh'o'J
<:pocLvEaSoct. 1tE1tovSiv<X.t. xat O(.LOL(x elv!XI.. ...
.. 1tVU YE."
" 7tpOC1eA&6vn ot ye 7tOno: ,,<Xl. hepoc "oc, T0 TOU hipou 'POCVTOtC1I'-OCTt
E"t'EpoiC( xal cX',Iop.o!.O: E:ocu'toI:;,"
.. OVTW,"
.. xcx!. Kat rivo!-,-otouc; 'tou:; OYXOUI; elUTO,); 't'E E!>:U't'OtC; ocvocYX:1J
cpa;[ve:aDoc[. xcx.i.
.. !-LE\! ouv."
.. ouxoDv xoc!. -roin;; octrrouc; xo:.t k"tipouc; xCIi &'1t't'0!-levouc; XOCL
xwptc; e:cx.u't'wv, XOCL XLVOU!-lEVOUC; 7tocmXC; XCXL cJ"t<7r'C'cxc; 1tocv't'?l.
XCXL YLYVOtJ.EVOUC; XCXL OC1tOAAU!-levOUC; XOCL P.'fjSE't'EpOC. XCXL n:cX.v't'cx 1tOU "to:
"C'0!.3:0'tCX. Ci oLEA,seiv 'ijfJ.LV. ei EVOC; 1-'-1) 0'.1"(,0:; 1to)JI.a.. eCT'nv."
.. I'-E:v oUv."
135 SYj B: S. T.
136 ",lEl T: om. B.
137 iv b: BT.
138 corr. Yen. 189: ii.n .. B: "na. T.
po
Text and Translation: 165b-e
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3
- "Very true,"
"So every being that someone grasps in thought must, I think, be
fractioned into minute bits, because without oneness, it would always
somehow be grasped as a mass."
"C . I "
- ertalJl y.
"So, if seen from afar and indistinctly, such a thing must necessarily
one, but [f observed from up close and grasped distinctly with
one s mInd, would each one necessarily seem to be unlimited in mul-
titude, if indeed it is deprived of oneness, since 'one is not'?"
- "Most necessarily, indeed."
"Thus, rhe others must each appear both unlimited and as having limir,
and both one and many, 'if one is not' but rhe 'other than rhe one, are'."
"V; h "
- cs, [ ey must.
"Won't they also seem to be both like and unlike?"
"I h '"
- n w at way.
:'As when, ro a distant viewer, all [the subjects] in a painting appear-
Ing one, seem to have rhe same qualifkations, and [thus] to be alike."
- "Certainly."
"But in coming closer they appear many and different, and, because
of this semblance of difference, they [appear] different in kind and
unlike themselves."
"] " - ust so .
"So these masses must also appear both like and unlike both themselves
and each other."
- "Of course."
"Consequently, they [the masses] must appear both the same as and
different from each other, both in contact with and separate from
themselves, both moving in all kinds of motions and in every way at
rest, both coming to be and ceasing to be and neither, and as all these
kinds of things somehow-which would be easy for us to go through
at this point-'if one is not' and 'many are."
- "Very (TUe indeed."
c
d
e
166
b
214
Plato's Parmenides
.. "E-ct 1t:XAtV btt e:t7C(J)!J.
EV
d
eo'tt. 't'1i).),oc SE 'e'ou Ott dvr1.t.."
139 i.vd"!)] &V o(l) B: Et"!) T.
140 e1tL Schleiermacher: {ntO BT.
Text and Translation: 165e-166b
21)
EIGHTH ARGUMENT
"Let uS return once again to the beginning and state what must be the
case, 'if one is not' but the 'others than t he one are'."
- "Yes, let us do so,"
"Well, the others will not be one."
- "Of course not."
"Nor will they be many, for if they were many, oneness would also be
present in them. But if none of them is [a] one, they are all nothing,
and thus they could not be many either."
-"True."
"If oneness is not present in the others, the others are neither many
" nor one.
- No, they are not,"
"Nor do they appear one or many."
-"Why?"
"Because the ochers are not in communion in any way whatsoever with
any of the 'things that are not'; and none of the 'things that are nor'
pertain to any of the others, since 'things that are noc' have no share
[of anything)."
-"True."
"So neither opinion nor appearance regarding 'what is not' pertains
to the others; nor is 'what is not' conceived in any way whatsoever by
the others."
- "Certainly not."
NO QUALIFICATIONS
elSO 'if onc is not', none of the others is conceived to be onc or many
166
either, since, without oneness, it is impossible to conceive of many." b
- "Yes, impossible."
"Therefore. 'if one is not', the others neither are nor are conceived to
be one or many."
- "It seems noc."
"So [they are] neither like nor unlike either of these."
-"No."
"Indeed, they are neither the same nor different, neither in contact
nor separate, nor anything else that they appeared to be in our previ-
ous argument. The others neither are, nor appear to be, any of those
things, Cif onc is nor',"
c
216 Plato's Parmenides
..
.. OUXOU'.l xoct El. ditm/-LE'J. ev d Ecrnv. ouaEv ion'.'. ap,i:h7J;
c1;V e:L1tQc.!LE'J;
.. 7tocv't'O:itocO't. lLev ovv."
.. ToLvuv -rOUTO -rE XCIi. O"tt. w; EOLXEV. ev Eh eO't'L'J e:t-rE:
eOTtV, ocu"Co "('IS xa.L 't'eXAAOC xa:i 1tpO; ocu't'cX x.oc!. 7tpO;; a:A)..'rp\oc rcO:VTCX
1ta.v't'wC; eo'r[ "t'E xoct. aux. ECT't't. XOCt 'rE: x.cx!. OU .. e:'t'a.L."
.. OCA"tjltEO'TOC'tOC."
po
Text and Translation: 166c
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-"True."
"In short, if wc were to say, 'if one is nor, nothing is', would we nor be
speaking correctly?"
- "Absolutely."
FINAL CONCLUSION
tha.t also the folloWing, namely that, as it seems,
If onc IS or If [one] IS not, [rhen] it and the others both are and are
not, a.nd both appear and do not appear to be all things in all ways,
both In relatIOn to themselves and in relation to each other."
"Y; "
- cry true.
c
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I
Index Locorum
Anaxagoras
VI. 24 25n75
III 24n75
VI. 52-54 25n75
BI2 27nSO
Gorgias
Aristotle
B3 13n40. 23n73
Categories
Bll 23n73
20S.20-32 24n75
Homer
Metaphysics
Iliad
9S4b2 27nSO
24.529 27n78
9S6b30 27nSO
9S7b7-13 ISn49
Parmenides
9S7bS-1O ISn51
A46
27nSO.3Sn102
990b15 ISn50
Bl.3 16
991a13 24n75
B1.29 16
1024b32 24n75
Bl.31 77n4
1043b24-2S 26n76
B2.5-S 13n39
1043b2S 31nS9
B2.7-S 13n40
1091b6-1O 27n7S
B4 S9n2S
On MeNssus. Xenophanes and
B4.l 27nSO
Corgias (MXC)
B5 103n49
979b.22 139nS4.
B6 103n49
159nlO2
B6.1-2
13n39. 13n40
On the Heave1lS
B7.1-2
13n39. 13n40
29SblS 27n79
BS.2 27nSO
Diogenes Laertius
BS.2-6 IOIn47
BS.3 3SnlO3
11.65 25n76
BS.3-6 13n40
Ill. 1-17 24n75
BS.4 3SnlO3
VI. 1-2 25n76
235
236 Plato's Parmenides
Index Locorum
237
B8.8-9 13n39 129d-130a 20n60, 60,
137cff. 63n113 149d
44
B8.9- 1O 121070
105n51
137c- 166c 3, 7
150c 56
B8.15-16 101n46
130a 105051
137d 36,42 150c-151a
139084
B8.16 91n33
130a-b 630113
138. 19n56,36 151.ff. 56
B8.17 13039, 13040
130b 29,69
138b 42 151b 38,44
B8.22 38n103
130c 70
138b-138c 83015 151d 44
B8.29 81n12
130c- d 19052
139. 42
151c-157b 44
B8.32 380103
131a-b 24075
139.1 113064 152a
45
B8.34- 35 27080
131.-133e 18049 139b 36,42 152b-d4
24075
B8.38 38n103
132b 19055, 19n56
13%-140b 650119
155d 44-45
B8.3B-41 13n40
132b5 19052 139c 42 155d-e 44
132d 19056
140.-b 19n52
155e 44-45
B8.41 111062
133.5- 6 18049
140b 42 156. 45
B8.50 101n45
133b 19052,21n65 140d
13 156b 45
BB.55 27n80,37
133c IB050, 19 1410 20n61
156c 45
BB.55-59 13n40
133d-e 19056
141d 42 156d 46
B8.56-59 38n102
134.-b 20062
141e 20n61, 42
156d-c 46
B8.61 16
134a-e 19056 142. 33,42 157. 46
B9 37
134b 30 142a3-4 xvi
I 57.-b 46
Plato
134e- e 30 142b 43, 107n53 157b 46
Laws
134d-e 20062 142b-e 68
157e 47
889c 18n51
135. 21065,69
142c-d 30 157e 47
890b5-8 18n51
135b 3,6,26 142d 35098,36,43 158b 47, 183n110
890d 18051
135b-c 14,20064, 25,
142dff.
43 158b-c 47
61 142d-e 19054
15Be 24075
Letter VII
I 35b5- c3 19052
142e 20n61, 43
15Bd 46-47
343b 65n118
135e 14,68
142e-143a
25075 158e 19n52
Parmenides
135e-d 56 143b-e 19n54
159a 47
126.-137e 7
135d-136e 22
144a 44 15% 48
127e 60
135e 20060, 57, 61,
144.-e 66 15ge
48
128. 7908, 101n43
105n51 144e 19n54
159d 48,66
128a-b 79n9
135e-136c 3, 15 144e
35n98 159d7 66, 1870113
12Bb 101n43, 105051.
135e5 19052
144d-145. 24n75 15ge
49
107053
136. 67, 101043 145. 19054,36,44 15ge-160a 49
128d 23n73, 7909.
136d 6
145b 19n56. 44, 56 160. 48-49
101n43,105051,
137. 6 145e 36,44,56
160b 49
107053
137b 65,7909, 146. 37,44,56
160cff. 23073
128e 63n113
107053 147c 19052 160d 50
129.-d 60 137b4-5 105051
147b 44 160d-e 13040
129d 11 137c 42,7909, 148.
19n52 160e 50
129d-e 63n113,68 105n51
148c- d 44 161. 50
238 Plato's Parmenides
Index Locorum
239
161b 50
241d
208bff.
161c 50
244d 32n90. 65n 117
65nl18
Timfll'us
161< 50 250cff. 20n59
5lc-d
162a 13n40 2S0e6ff. 63n113
29n81
162a- b 231173. 50 2SId 63nl13
Plotinus
162b 50 252b6ff. 63n 113
Ennead
162e 50 253. 20n59 VI
xv
163. 50 253.1 63nl13
VI 7.41
xvi
163b 50 253d 63n113
VI 9.5
xvi nl7
163c 51 2S4bff. 34n97
SimpIicius
163d 51 254b6ff. 63nll3
Commentary on Aristotle! On [he
163e 51 254c 20n59,34n97
Heavens
164. 51 255cl2 63nll3
164.-b 51 255e5 6311113
295, 1-22
251175
164b 19n52. 51-52 256.11 63n114
Physics
164c 52 256c 63nll4
562.1
139n84
164d 52. 211n134 256e-259. 13n39 Theophrastus
164dff. 25n75 257b 34n97.63n1l4 De Sensibus
164c 24n75 257b-c 13n40 1.3
38n102
165. 52 258b-259b 13n40
Xenophanes
165b 53
258e-259. 63nll4
165c 53 259a 20n59
B34
20n63
165d 53 259a5 63nll3
165d-e 53 259c 71n122
165e 54 259c-d 63n114.71
166. 54
25ge 62n112
166b 54
25ge4 63nll3
166c 54
25ge 34n97
Phaedrus 260a 68nl21
261d 34n95 260.-261. 13n39
PhilebllS 262d4 63n113
15b-c 19n53 Stausmall
65. 18n51 283e 63n114
Republic Symposium
435. 18n51 211a-b 29n81
509 xv Theaetettls
596a 18n51 147d6 183nll0
Sophist
147d-148b 24n75. 183nl1O
217c 8n19.9n21 183e 8n19. lln34
253.1 63n113 201dlO-202c6 31n87
253d 63n113 201dlO-202b8 33n92
General Index
A
Adomenas, Mamas 24n75
agnosdcism viii
Alfarabi xiv
AI Ghazzali xiv
Alleo, R. E. xxii, 8016, 10030,
14044,15046,640115
Alvarez, Salas Omar Daoiel 24075
Ambucl, David 12037, 32091
Aoaxagoras 7, 23, 24075, 27080
Anoas, Julia 403,406, 509, 9020
Aoscombe, G. E. M. 15047
Anristheoes 16,23,24-25075,25,
25-26076,31,31089
Apelt, Otto xxii, 24075
Apology vii
aporiai (perplexiog difficulties) 70
arguments, eighr xxiii, 19n54, 26,
34-35,34094,41-54,83016
vast sea of 3, 103
Aristippus 16, 23, 24075, 25, 25076
Aristotle ix, xii, xiv-xv, xvii, 23,
18049-51,24-25075,26075,
27078-80,31089, 139084,
1590102
Aristoteles, (protagooist) 7-8, 11,
11033, 98-99, 102-105
Armsrrong, A. H. xvii n18
arheism ix
atomic viii
Sr. Augusrine xiv
Avicenna xiv
B
Beck, Maximiliao 12035
Beets, M. G. J. xxii
becoming ix, xiii, xiv, xviii, 12,
37, 119
being ix-xviii, 4, 12, 13n40,
19054, 20,20061,29-32,
35098,36,39,41-54,57,59,
64-66,69
oot-beiog 9-10, 10026,
12-14, 13040,23,23073,
32,45-46,49-51,53,59
BoStock, David 507, 33092
Bowra, C. M. 11031
Brehier, Emile xvii, xvii n18
Brickhouse, Thomas C. 508
Brisson, Luc xxii
Brocker, Waiter 30083
Brumbaugh, Robert S. xxii,7014,
23073, 24-25075
Bumet, Joho 405, 507, 12035,
82014,84019
Bumyeat, Myles F. 25-26076,
31089,33092
242 Plato's Parmenides
C
Chappell. Timo!hy 31nS9. 33n92
Cherniss, Harold 6nlO,24n75
Christianity xiv
Chrousr, Anron Hermann 12n37.
25n75
Chrysakopoulou, Sylvana xx, xxii,
xxiv
Classen, C. Joachim 24n75
Coleridge, Samuel Taylar vii,
vii nI, xiii, xiii nl2
compresenr attributes, qualities 34,
36n99, 135, 199nl25 (see al,o
simata)
contradiction xiii, 13040, 22n71.
35n9B,63-64,7S-79
non-contradiction (Principle
of) 34, 35n9S, 43
Conway Morris, Simon ix, ix 05
Cooper, John xxii, 5n9, 33n92
Corclero, Gonzales 12n37
Cornford, Frands M. xxii, 12n36-
37, 13n41, 14n45, 15n46, lBn50,
24-25n75, 139nB4, 159nlO2
Cusa, Nicholas of x, xii, xvi
D
Dancy, R. M. 24n75
Dante viii, ix n3
Darwin, Charles ix
Demand, Nancy 24n75
Dcnys the Areopagite x
develop mentalism, developmentalist
5, 5nS, 6nll, 56
dialectic vii, xi, xiii, xix, 23, 77n4
Diels, Hermann IOSn5S
Diels, Hermann and Walther
Kranz 21n67
Divine xi, 20, 27, 27n7S, 62,
96-97
Divine Intellect viii
Dodds. Eric R. xv, xv n16
E
Edwards, Mark 4n I
Einstein, Albert xii
Eleatics, (see also Parmenides and
Zeno) 6n12, S, 10,21-22,
24n75,27n79,34,69
Elea!icism xii, 6n12, 13n41
empiricism viii
epistemology xxi
Eriugena, John Scot x, xiii
exercise theory vii
F
Ficino, Marsilio x
Fine, Gail 17n5S, 22n75
form x, xi, xv-xvi. 18-19, 18n50-
51, 37, 61, 67, 69, S0ff.
complex, interweaving of,
,ymploke 67
itself-by-itself, disassociation
of 19, 19n57, 19-20n5S,
2 9 - 3 2 , 6 2 , 6 ~ 6 9 , SO-S3
(See also simple)
panicipation, participants 17,
ISn49, 55, 5S, SO-SI
Theory of Forms 4-5,5n7,
6, 6n 10, 10, IOn29, 12n35,
14-16,22, 23n75, 25-26,
55-57,70
Fowden, Ganh xv n15
Fowler, H. N. 179n1OS
Frede, Doro!hea 9n20
Frede, Michael xxiii
Freud, Sigmund xii, xviii
Frye, P. H. 4n5
Fuller, Benjamin A. G. 24n75,
25n76
Furth, Montgomery 13n40
G
Gabirol, Solomon ibn xiv
Gill, Marie-Louise xxii, 12n35,
14n44, 64nl15, 79n9, 101n43,
107n53, l77nlO6
God x, xi-xii, xiv, ISn51, 59, 62,
96-97
Good (the) xv-xvi, ISn51, 27n78,
29-30, 56, 59, 70, S2-S3, 94-95,
9S-99
Gorgia, xxiii, 13n40, 21n67, 23,
23n73, 24n75, 25,69, 139nS4,
159n102
Gould, S!ephen Jay ix, ix n4
Griswold, Charles L. 1On2S
Gurhrie, William K. C. xxii,
H
12n36-37, 13n3S, 24-25n75,
27nSO, 31nS9, 63n114
Hankey, Wayne x n6
Hedley. Douglas vii-xxiii,
xxii-xxiii, xxiv. 3
Hegel, Georg W. F. xi, xi n7, xiii,
xvi. xix, xx
Heidegger, Martin x, xiii
Heraclitus ix, xix-xx, 6n12, 34
Hermann, Arnold xxiv, lOn25,
13n3S, 13n42, 25n75, 91n35
Hesse, Hermann xviii
Hoyle, Fred viii
Humc, David viii
Ibn Arabi xiv
Ierodiakonou, Katerina XXIII
intelligible things (abstracts) 6, 55,
60
Irrational numbers 183n110,
211nl33
Islam xiv
Israel, Jonathan xii, xii n9
General Index
243
itself-by-itself 19n57, 32-33, 35,
41-43,50,61,66,67-69, 105n51
(see also "form")
J
James, WilIiam xi, xi n8
Jowerr, Benjamin xiii
Judaism xiv
Jung, c. J. xviii
K
Kahn, Charles xxi, xxi n2, xxii-
xxiii, 5n9, 9n23, IOn2S, 57,
57n109, 64-65, 64nI15-116,
79n9, 105n51, 107n53
Karamanolis, George xxiii. xxiv
Karasmanis, Vassilis xxiii
Kerferd, George B. 25n75
Kindi xiv
Klibansky, Raymond x, xii nlO,
xiii, xiii nIl
Koumakis, Georgios xxii,4n5.
12n35
L
Lee, Henry D. P. Sn15
legacy (of Parmenides) vii, x-xii,
xiv, xvii, xxiv, 16,21-27
Leibniz, Gonfried Wilhelm xx
Levet!, M. J. 33n92
Liebrucks, Bruno 4n4, 30nS3
M
Macris, Costas xxiii
Maimonides xiv
Mann, Thomas xviii
Mascar6, Juan xvii 1119
McCabe, Mary Margaret 31nS4
McDonald, John M. S. 24n75
McDowell, John 31nS9
Megarians 4n5, 12n35, 14n43,
24n75
244 Plato's Parmenides
Meinwald. Constance xxii, 15046-
66n120
Mcister, Eckhan x, xiii
Miller, Mitchell xxi-xxii,7n13-14,
12n35, 17n48, 19n57, 22n71,
24n75, 57n107
Moderatus, of Gades xvi
Moerbeke, William of x
Mohr, Richard 24n75,30n82-84
monism ix, xi, xvii-xviii. 1.3041, 23
Most, Glenn xx, xxii, xxiv
Mulla Sudra xiv
N
Nails, Debra 8n16
name, naming. nameable 3. 13n40,
18n51, 19n57, 31-32, 32n90,
33-34,41-44,51,57,59n111,
63,65, 65n1l9, 66n120, 67-68,
70,84-85,92-93, 124-125,
144-147, 172-173,206-207
Namrp, Paul 30n83
Navia, Luis E. 24-25n75-76
"neithtr/nor, " "both, .. .. and
"or" 34-39,42,44,48,51,53
Neoplatonism x, xiv-xvi
Nict7..5che, Friedrich x
not-being (OUK 9-10, 1On26,
12-13,13n40,23,23n73,32,46,
49-51,59, 176-177, 198-199
o
one, (hrn) Uniry viii, x, xi. xii-xv,
xvi, xvii, 30n83, 34, 36-37, 39,
41-54, 64n1l5, 79n8-9, 107n53
One and the Many viii, ix,
xvi,34
One and the Many
problem 4, 20n61, 56,
66-67
One Itself (see also form,
itself-by-itself) xv, 31, 35,
41-42,65
One as not-Other 44,47-49,
52-53, 146-147
One plus Being. "Unit ofis"
41, 43, 46, 48-49, 65-66,
187n1l3
Onto rheology xiii
Ostwald, Martin 11 n32
other, Other than One 47-49,
52-54,59,66-67,114-115,
152-153, 186-189, 194-195
Owen, G. E. L. vii, vii n2, 507
p
Palmer, John xxi-xxii, xxi nI,
1On27, 12n35, 13n38, 22n70,
23n73,24-25n75,30n84,34n97
Parmenides (of Elea) ix-x, xv, xviii,
xix-xxi, 7-8, 9n21, 9n24
dialogue's protagonist 3, 7
historical vii, xx, 8, 9021, 10
Poem ix, xx-xxi, 12, 13, 15,
22,33,35,37, 101n43
Aletheia, Reliable
Account 27, 35
Doxa, (belief, Opinions of
Mortals) 13n40,20n63,
27, 27n80, 35, 37-39,
93n36, 210-213,211n134
Parmenides vii, x-xi, xiii-xxiii,
3-73
First Part 5n7, 8-7, 16-17,
55, 59, 62, 69-70, 83n16
Second Part xi, xvi, xxiii, 3,
7-8, 13n41, 15, 17, 18n51,
19n54, 19n57, 22, 22n72,
30, 33-34, 34n94, 38,
38n103, 54-71, 83n16,
105n51
Sr. Paul x,66n120
Pericles 10-11
Peterson, Sandra 66n120
Pha.do vii, 12n35, 14n43, 14n45,
89n27
Phaedrus vii
Philo of Alexandria xiv
Plato ix-x, xiii
Academy xiv, xvi, 9, 9n21,
23,24n75,26,26n77
interpretation,
(Developmentalist,
Unitarian) 5-6, 5n8, 6n11,
56
Platonism x-xii, xiv-xv
Plminus xiv-xvii, xvii n18
Middle Platonism xv
plurality viii-ix, 43, 52, 57, 60,
66-67, 178-179
pluralists xi-xii
Presocracic(s) ix, xix, 7. 15-16,21,
24, 26,62
Proclus x. xiii. 78n6, 84n18,
86n20, 86n22,8Bn25, 90n30-31,
102n48, 108n55, 108n57-58,
1l0n59, 114n66, 132n78
Protagoras 23, 23-24n75, 25, 69
Pythagoras xX,6n12
Pythagorean xii, xix-xx, 6n 12,
24n75
number theory 23
Pythagoreanism 24n75
Pythodorus 8, 11, lln32-33,
74-77, 82-83, 98-99, 102-103
R
Rangos. Spyees xxiii
Reason, reasoning x, 18n51, 31, 57,
60-62,82-83,97-99
Principle of Sufficient
Reason 121 n70
Generallndex 245
Republic vii, xv-xvi, 7n13, 17,
18n51. 23n74
Rees, Sir Martin viii
Reynard, Jean 4n1
Rickless, Samuel xxii, 12n35,
15n47, 57, 57n106
Robinson, Thomas M. 25n75
Rorty, Richard x
Ross, William D. 18n50-51,
25n75, 34n97, 64n115
Runia, David T. 4n1
Ryle, Gilbert vii, vii n2, 5n7, Bn17,
9n20,9n22,12n35,24-25n7S,
31n85
s
Sankara xvii
Sayee, Kenneth M. xxii,7nI4,
8n17,64n1l5
Schofield, Malcolm 24n75
science viii
Schopenhauer, Arthur xviii
Schudoma, Ingeborg xxii,
Scolnicov, Samuel xx, xxii, 12n35,
13n38, 24-25n75, 64nl15
Sedley, David 33n92
Seei, Gerhard xxi-xxii,6nI2,
1Bn50-51, 35n98,
36n100, 54n105
self-predication 65n1l9,66n120
simata, landmarks, characteristics
13n40, 27, 34, 34n94, 35-38,
38n103,39, 10ln47
heterogeneous 13n40,27
homogeneous 13n40, 27, 38
sensible things, (tangibles) 15n47,
17-27, 18n51, 35, 55, 60-62, 67,
87n23
Shorey, Paul xiii, xiii n14, 6nlO,
19n53, 19n58, 21n66, 25n75,
36n99, 198n122-124
246 Plato's Parmenides
simple 29-36,39,41-42,48-51,
53-54, 57, 61, 63, 65-66,
187nl13
Smith, Nicholas D. 5n8
Socrates 21n67, 22, 59
historical 8, 9n21, 10, 10n29,
lln33, 21n67, 24
protagonist 7,11-12, l1n33,
14-16, 19,25,29-30,
60-62,67-70,74ff.
'"Dream of" 31, 31nB9, 32,
32n90,33n93
Sophist xxi, xxiii, 8-9, Bn19, 9n21,
9n24, IOn26-27, 12-13, 12n35,
13n3B-40, 17,20, 20n59, 20n61,
21,22n69,32,32n90-91,34,
34n97, 55, 57, 59, 62-63, 62n 112,
63nI13-114, 65, 65n117, 67-68,
68n121, 70-71, 7111122, 105n51
Sophisr(s) xix, 10, IOn27, 12n37,
13n38, 22,
Sophistic 10, 13n38, 16, 24,
31
space viii, 56
Spciser, Andrcas 4n2
Spinoza, Baruch xi-xii, xx
Srallbaum, Apelt 24n75
Suhrwardi xiv
symploke (sce "form," complex,
imerweavingl
Symposium vii,29n81
T
Taylor, A. E. 4n5, 12n35-36,
14n43,22n72,24-25n75
IheaeutUJ vii, ix-x, 5n7, 8-9, Bn19,
11n34, 19n57, 21, 24n75, 31-32,
34, 59,
65n11B, 183n110
Theodorus of Cyrene 23, 24n75,
183n110
theology ix, xi, xiv-xvi. 4, 4n1
Theslcff, Holger 7, Bn1B, 9n20-21,
IOn28
SI. Thomas x
Timaeus xv, 5n7, 9n21, 29n81
time viii-ix, 41-42, 44-46,51, 56,
7L 120-123, 160-173
Turnbull, Robe" G. xxii, 131138,
64n115
U
uniformity viii
universe vii - viii, xi-xii
Upanishatb xvii
V
Vcdic scriptures xvii
Vlastos, Gregory vii, vii 02
W
Wagner. Richard xviii
Weingarrner, Rudolph H. 15n46
Whitehead, Alfred North xi
Wiggins, David 12n37
Wittgenstcin. Ludwig xviii-xx, 33.
33n93
Wood, Kclsey 12n35
Woodbury, Leonard 13n40
Wundr. Max xxii
X
Xenophanes xix, 20n63, 22, 27
Z
Zena of El ea 7-8, 9n21, 11, 11n33,
22, 22n72, 22n71, 23, 24n75, 25,
33-34, 60-61, 67, 74/ [. 77n3,
79n9, 101n43, 139n84,
Zilioli, Ugo 231175
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