http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread690822/pg1 The following 2 goals appl! to "merica and the rest of the world# this is prett!

much a step b! step manual on how the $lluminati conspirac! wor%s# basicall! e&plains all the long term plans the! had bac% at the $lluminati's founding in 1((6.

1. "ll men are more easil! inclined towards evil than good. 2. )reach *iberalism +. ,se the idea of freedom to bring about class wars -. "n! and all means should be used to reach the $lluminati .oals as the! are /ustified. . The right to lie in force. 6. The power of our resources must remain invisible until the ver! moment it has gained the strength that no cunning or force can undermine it. (. "vocation of mob ps!cholog! to control the masses. 8. ,se alcohol# drugs# corruption and all forms of vice to s!stematicall! corrupt the !outh of the nation. 9. 0ei1e propert! b! an! means 10. ,se of slogans such as e2uit!# libert!# fraternit! delivered into the mouths of the masses in ps!chological warfare 11. 3ar should be directed so that the nations on both sides are placed further in debt and peace conferences conducted so that neither combatant obtains territor! rights. 12. 4embers must use their wealth to have candidates chosen and placed in public office who will be obedient to their demands and will be used as pawns in the game b! those behind the scenes. Their advisors will have been reared and trained from childhood to rule the affairs of the world. 1+. 5ontrol the press. 1-. "gents will come forward after fermenting traumatic situations and appear to be the saviors of the masses. 1 . 5reate industrial depression and financial panic# unemplo!ment# hunger# shortage of food and use this to control the masses or mob and then use the mob to wipe out all those who stand in the wa!. 16. $nfiltrate into the secret 6reemasons to use them for $lluminati purposes. 1(. 7&pound the value of s!stematic deception# use high sounding slogans and phrases and advocate lavish promises to the masses even though the! cannot be %ept. 18. 8etail plans for resolutions# discuss the art of street fighting which is necessar! to bring the population into speed! sub/ection. 19. ,se agents as advisors behind the scenes after wars and use secret diplomac! to gain control. 20. 7stablish huge monopolies that lean toward world government control. 21. ,se high ta&es and unfair competition to bring about economic ruin b! control of raw materials. 9rgani1e agitation among the wor%ers and subsidi1e their competitors. 22. :uild up armaments with )olice forces and 0oldiers sufficient to protect our needs. 2+. 4embers and leaders of the one world government would be appointed b! the directors.

2-. $nfiltrate into all classes and levels of societ! and government for the purpose of fooling# bemusing and corrupting the !outhful members of societ! b! teaching them theories and principles that we %now to be false. 2 . ;ational and $nternational laws should be used to destro! civili1ation and enslave and control the people. www.pa%alertpress.com...

9riginall! posted b! 9*8 <$))= 8,87 The following 2 goals appl! to "merica and the rest of the world# this is prett! much a step b! step manual on how the $lluminati conspirac! wor%s# basicall! e&plains all the long term plans the! had bac% at the $lluminati's founding in 1((6.

1. "ll men are more easil! inclined towards evil than good. 2. )reach *iberalism +. ,se the idea of freedom to bring about class wars -. "n! and all means should be used to reach the $lluminati .oals as the! are /ustified. . The right to lie in force. 6. The power of our resources must remain invisible until the ver! moment it has gained the strength that no cunning or force can undermine it. (. "vocation of mob ps!cholog! to control the masses. 8. ,se alcohol# drugs# corruption and all forms of vice to s!stematicall! corrupt the !outh of the nation. 9. 0ei1e propert! b! an! means 10. ,se of slogans such as e2uit!# libert!# fraternit! delivered into the mouths of the masses in ps!chological warfare 11. 3ar should be directed so that the nations on both sides are placed further in debt and peace conferences conducted so that neither combatant obtains territor! rights. 12. 4embers must use their wealth to have candidates chosen and placed in public office who will be obedient to their demands and will be used as pawns in the game b! those behind the scenes. Their advisors will have been reared and trained from childhood to rule the affairs of the world. 1+. 5ontrol the press. 1-. "gents will come forward after fermenting traumatic situations and appear to be the saviors of the masses. 1 . 5reate industrial depression and financial panic# unemplo!ment# hunger# shortage of food and use this to control the masses or mob and then use the mob to wipe out all those who stand in the wa!. 16. $nfiltrate into the secret 6reemasons to use them for $lluminati purposes. 1(. 7&pound the value of s!stematic deception# use high sounding slogans and phrases and advocate lavish promises to the masses even though the! cannot be %ept.

18. 8etail plans for resolutions# discuss the art of street fighting which is necessar! to bring the population into speed! sub/ection. 19. ,se agents as advisors behind the scenes after wars and use secret diplomac! to gain control. 20. 7stablish huge monopolies that lean toward world government control. 21. ,se high ta&es and unfair competition to bring about economic ruin b! control of raw materials. 9rgani1e agitation among the wor%ers and subsidi1e their competitors. 22. :uild up armaments with )olice forces and 0oldiers sufficient to protect our needs. 2+. 4embers and leaders of the one world government would be appointed b! the directors. 2-. $nfiltrate into all classes and levels of societ! and government for the purpose of fooling# bemusing and corrupting the !outhful members of societ! b! teaching them theories and principles that we %now to be false. 2 . ;ational and $nternational laws should be used to destro! civili1ation and enslave and control the people. www.pa%alertpress.com...

$ thin% that almost all of the above points could be generall! considered to be an accurate anal!sis of the beliefs and agenda of the proponents of the >$nternational 8ictatorship of 5apitalism#> however the article is prefaced with the statement >..a list of the 2 $lluminati principles/goals that "dam 3eishaupt set up after the ?othschilds started financing the $lluminati conspirac!. 6irstl!# while these 2 goals might describe the agenda of the ,0 imperialists / state terrorists / narco@terrorists and the 5apitalist elties# the! certainl! do not describe the goals of "dam 3eishauptA such a claim is total ahistorical fiction which is used to support the modern >$lluminati> conspirac! theor!. 0econdl! there is absolutel! no evidence that the >?othschilds> financed the :avarian $lluminati. $ am certainl! not a fan of private ban%ing cartels# which often manipulate world events for their own financial benefits# however the histor! of the ?othschild famil! shows sufficient malevolence# self interest Bwhich is 2uite natural in a 5apitalist s!stemC# and the financing of both sides in armed conflicts Bsuch as their financing of both ;apolean >and> the :ritish monarchistsC that it is not necessar! to ma%e things up about them. The ideological proponets and apologists for the dictatorship of private 5apital will generall! support whatever is in their best interests# whether it involves# wars# genocides# repressive police states etc. 6or the militant# ideological 5apitalist# the end usuall! /ustifies the meansA and the >end> is generall! the acumulation of 5apital# however this was >not> the agenda of 3eishauptA he was a political idealist# humanitarian and anti@ monarchistA not a ban%ster 5apitalist.

4ore on: >$n 8efence of "dam 3eishaupt and the $lluminati#> on www.abovetopsecret.com... *u& ...the human race will then become one famil!# and the world will be the dwelling of ?ational 4en.....This is the great ob/ect held out b! this associationA and the means of attaining it is illumination# enlightening the understanding b! the sun of reason which will dispel the clouds of superstition and of pre/udice. .....3hen man lives under government# he is fallen# his worth is gone# and his nature tarnished.... >The grand ob/ect of the 9rder must be more particularl! inculcated into him# namel!# that of teaching the whole universe to set aside all government# laws# and altarsA and he must perpetuall! attend to the grand interests of human nature. <is 1eal is to be stimulated at the sight of ever! man who is sub/ected to an! authorit!. $t is to reinstate the inhabitants of the earth in their original 72ualit! and *ibert! that he is constituted .eneral of all the $lluminees that are or will be spread over the world during his reign# all labouring at the accomplishment of the grand revolution of the 4an@Ding.>> "dam 3eishaupt EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE >To be .9F7?;78 is to be watched# inspected# spied upon# directed# law@driven# numbered# regulated# enrolled# indoctrinated# preached at# controlled# chec%ed# estimated# valued# censured# commanded# b! creatures who have neither the right nor the wisdom nor the virtue to do so. To be .9F7?;78 is to be at ever! operation# at ever! transaction noted# registered# counted# ta&ed# stamped# measured# numbered# assessed# licensed# authori1ed# admonished# prevented# forbidden# reformed# corrected# punished. $t is# under prete&t of public utilit!# and in the name of the general interest# to be placed under contribution# drilled# fleeced# e&ploited# monopoli1ed# e&torted from# s2uee1ed# hoa&ed# robbedA then# at the slightest resistance# the first word of complaint# to be repressed# fined# vilified# harassed# hunted down# abused# clubbed# disarmed# bound# cho%ed# imprisoned# /udged# condemned# shot# deported# sacrificed# sold# betra!edA and to crown all# moc%ed# ridiculed# derided# outraged# dishonored. That is governmentA that is its /usticeA that is its moralit!.> @@ ). G. )roudhon# edit on 20@-@2011 b! *ucifer((( because: 6ormatting

"dam 3eishaupt and the $lluminati are often maligned and misconstrued b! conspirac! theorists who rel! on the paranoid ramblings of anti@0emitic and anti@communistic literature. The $lluminati was not intent to sei1e control of e&isting monarchies and theocracies# as anarchists the! sought to overthrow them.

>The grand art of rendering an! revolution#> he wrote# >whatsoever certain is to enlighten the people H and to enlighten them is# insensibl! to turn the public opinion to the adoption of those changes which are the given ob/ects of the intended revolution. ...> $lluminists at all grades were to appl! themselves >to ac2uiring of interior and e&terior perfection># a perfection which would# through the wor%s of the 9rder# illuminate the entire world with reason and good deeds. )rinces and ;ations shall disappear from off the face of the earthI =es# a time shall come when man shall ac%nowledge no other law but the great boo% of natureA this revelation shall be the wor% of 0ecret 0ocieties and that is one of our grand m!steries. 3eishaupt 2uoted in 4emoirs $llustrating the <istor! of Gacobinism @ "bbe "ugustin :arruel# vol. +# p. 2 To fit man b! $llumination for active virtue# to engage him to it b! the strongest motives# to render the attainment of it eas! and certain ... this indeed will be emplo!ment suited to noble natures# grand in its views# and delightful in its e&ercise.... "nd what is the general ob/ectJ T<7 <"))$;700 96 T<7 <,4"; ?"57.... 3hen we see the wic%ed so powerful and the good so wea%# and that it is in vain to strive singl! and alone against the general current of vice and oppression# the wish naturall! arises in the mind that if it were possible to form a durable combination of the most worth! persons# who should wor% together in removing the obstacles to human happiness... and b! fettering lessen viceA means which at the same time should promote virtue# b! rendering the inclination to rectitude# hitherto so feeble# more powerful and engaging. 3ould not such an association be a blessing to the worldJ "pologie der $lluminaten @ "dam 3eishaup

$ thin% that almost all of the above points could be generall! considered to be an accurate anal!sis of the beliefs and agenda of the proponents of the >$nternational 8ictatorship of 5apitalism#> however the article is prefaced with the statement >..a list of the 2 $lluminati principles/goals that "dam 3eishaupt set up after the ?othschilds started financing the $lluminati conspirac!. 6irstl!# while these 2 goals might describe the agenda of the ,0 imperialists / state terrorists / narco@terrorists and the 5apitalist elties# the! certainl! do not describe the goals of "dam 3eishauptA such a claim is total ahistorical fiction which is used to support the modern >$lluminati> conspirac! theor!. 0econdl! there is absolutel! no evidence that the >?othschilds> financed the :avarian $lluminati. $ am certainl! not a fan of private ban%ing cartels# which often manipulate world events for their own financial benefits# however the histor! of the ?othschild famil! shows sufficient malevolence# self interest Bwhich is 2uite natural in a 5apitalist s!stemC# and the financing of both sides in armed conflicts Bsuch as their financing of

both ;apolean >and> the :ritish monarchistsC that it is not necessar! to ma%e things up about them. The ideological proponets and apologists for the dictatorship of private 5apital will generall! support whatever is in their best interests# whether it involves# wars# genocides# repressive police states etc. 6or the militant# ideological 5apitalist# the end usuall! /ustifies the meansA and the >end> is generall! the acumulation of 5apital# however this was >not> the agenda of 3eishauptA he was a political idealist# humanitarian and anti@ monarchistA not a ban%ster 5apitalist. 4ore on: >$n 8efence of "dam 3eishaupt and the $lluminati#> on www.abovetopsecret.com... *u& ...the human race will then become one famil!# and the world will be the dwelling of ?ational 4en.....This is the great ob/ect held out b! this associationA and the means of attaining it is illumination# enlightening the understanding b! the sun of reason which will dispel the clouds of superstition and of pre/udice. .....3hen man lives under government# he is fallen# his worth is gone# and his nature tarnished.... >The grand ob/ect of the 9rder must be more particularl! inculcated into him# namel!# that of teaching the whole universe to set aside all government# laws# and altarsA and he must perpetuall! attend to the grand interests of human nature. <is 1eal is to be stimulated at the sight of ever! man who is sub/ected to an! authorit!. $t is to reinstate the inhabitants of the earth in their original 72ualit! and *ibert! that he is constituted .eneral of all the $lluminees that are or will be spread over the world during his reign# all labouring at the accomplishment of the grand revolution of the 4an@Ding.>> "dam 3eishaupt EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE >To be .9F7?;78 is to be watched# inspected# spied upon# directed# law@driven# numbered# regulated# enrolled# indoctrinated# preached at# controlled# chec%ed# estimated# valued# censured# commanded# b! creatures who have neither the right nor the wisdom nor the virtue to do so. To be .9F7?;78 is to be at ever! operation# at ever! transaction noted# registered# counted# ta&ed# stamped# measured# numbered# assessed# licensed# authori1ed# admonished# prevented# forbidden# reformed# corrected# punished. $t is# under prete&t of public utilit!# and in the name of the general interest# to be placed under contribution# drilled# fleeced# e&ploited# monopoli1ed# e&torted from# s2uee1ed# hoa&ed# robbedA then# at the slightest resistance# the first word of complaint# to be repressed# fined# vilified# harassed# hunted down# abused# clubbed# disarmed# bound# cho%ed# imprisoned# /udged# condemned# shot# deported# sacrificed# sold# betra!edA and to crown all# moc%ed# ridiculed# derided# outraged# dishonored. That is governmentA that is its /usticeA that is its moralit!.> @@ ). G. )roudhon#

edit on 20@-@2011 b! *ucifer((( because: 6ormatting "dam 3eishaupt and the $lluminati are often maligned and misconstrued b! conspirac! theorists who rel! on the paranoid ramblings of anti@0emitic and anti@communistic literature. The $lluminati was not intent to sei1e control of e&isting monarchies and theocracies# as anarchists the! sought to overthrow them. >The grand art of rendering an! revolution#> he wrote# >whatsoever certain is to enlighten the people H and to enlighten them is# insensibl! to turn the public opinion to the adoption of those changes which are the given ob/ects of the intended revolution. ...> $lluminists at all grades were to appl! themselves >to ac2uiring of interior and e&terior perfection># a perfection which would# through the wor%s of the 9rder# illuminate the entire world with reason and good deeds. )rinces and ;ations shall disappear from off the face of the earthI =es# a time shall come when man shall ac%nowledge no other law but the great boo% of natureA this revelation shall be the wor% of 0ecret 0ocieties and that is one of our grand m!steries. 3eishaupt 2uoted in 4emoirs $llustrating the <istor! of Gacobinism @ "bbe "ugustin :arruel# vol. +# p. 2 To fit man b! $llumination for active virtue# to engage him to it b! the strongest motives# to render the attainment of it eas! and certain ... this indeed will be emplo!ment suited to noble natures# grand in its views# and delightful in its e&ercise.... "nd what is the general ob/ectJ T<7 <"))$;700 96 T<7 <,4"; ?"57.... 3hen we see the wic%ed so powerful and the good so wea%# and that it is in vain to strive singl! and alone against the general current of vice and oppression# the wish naturall! arises in the mind that if it were possible to form a durable combination of the most worth! persons# who should wor% together in removing the obstacles to human happiness... and b! fettering lessen viceA means which at the same time should promote virtue# b! rendering the inclination to rectitude# hitherto so feeble# more powerful and engaging. 3ould not such an association be a blessing to the worldJ "pologie der $lluminaten @ "dam 3eishaupt *oo%s li%e the!Kve crossed their own goals in places. 6or e&ample# how can the! use nationKs own laws to enslave people when the! are simultaneousl! >corrupting> the !outh with drugs and etc.J Those are the same people who are spea%ing out and rebelling against laws in the first place# or at least a large portion of that crowd. "n!wa! if those goals were ever actuall! intended# whoever thought of them was not e&actl! the sharpest cra!on in the bo&# and there is an even higher >agenda> that will alwa!s be fulfilled first.

*oo%s li%e the!Kve crossed their own goals in places. 6or e&ample# how can the! use nationKs own laws to enslave people when the! are simultaneousl! >corrupting> the !outh with drugs and etc.J Those are the same people who are spea%ing out and rebelling against laws in the first place# or at least a large portion of that crowd. 3ell it seems to me that certain narcotics are %ept illegal since the "nglo@"merican state@ terrorists / narco@terrorists depend upon traffic%ing to finance their blac% militar! budgets. )ure heroin in "fghanistan costs around one dollar per gram# and b! the time it reaches the 3est it is sold at various degrees of purit! for appro&imatel! L+0 to L60M a gramA legalising heroin for addicts Bwhich is the case for e&ample in 0wi1erlandC would devastate this business. *egalising alcohol in the ,0 after the prohibition periods was initiall! devasting for "merican organised crime as the! could no longer ma%e such large profits out of an illegal substance which was sold ever!where. 3hen the ,0 state terrorists were in Fietnam# most of the worldKs heroin came from the .olden Triangle and since the invasion of "fghanistan b! the ,0# whose purpose was to replace the Tlaiban with the "fghan drug lords# most of the worldKs heroin now comes from "fghanistanA that is essentiall! what the terrorist militar! mercenaries "nglo@"merican narco@terrorists are fighting and d!ing for# and !et the 5apitalist media portra!s such terrorists as >heroes.> "n!wa! if those goals were ever actuall! intended# whoever thought of them was not e&actl! the sharpest cra!on in the bo&# and there is an even higher >agenda> that will alwa!s be fulfilled first.

=es $ thin% that the >higher agenda> is essentiall! the >will of the gods Bi.e.# human beingsC> which is essentiall! collective human willA there are seven billion of us here and the >$nternational 8$ctatorship of 5apitalism> creates economic hell on earth for most of them. ,nfortunatel! most of us on discussion forums such as this one are the beneficiaries of the dictatorship of 5apitalism and live in the 5apitalist 6irst world where the mass media is generall! owned b! the ;eofascist apologists of 5apitalist state terrorismA certainl! the 4asonic gang members who seem to consider this forum their >home ground> could generall! be described as terrorist collaborators and ;eofascistsA the ideological 5apitalist tends to be firstl! and foremostl! dedicated to the >accumulation of 5apital> rather than the economic liberation of human%ind >from> the economic t!rann! and slaver! of 5apital.

"dam 3eishaupt and the $lluminati are often maligned and misconstrued b! conspirac! theorists who rel! on the paranoid ramblings of anti@0emitic and anti@communistic literature. =es however man! 6reemasons also fit into the categor! of >tin foil hat> conspirac! theoristsA indeed some of the best selling wor%s in the >conspirac! theor!> sections of boo%shops have 4asonic authors. 3hen !ou have a cult of consiprac! theorists such as 6reemasonr!# it is onl! natural that !ou are going to attract the attention of other conspirac! theorists. >$ too% m! obligations from white men# not from negroes. 3hen $ have to accept negroes as brothers or leave 4asonr!# $ shall leave it.> "lbert )i%e @ 18( ,nfortunatel! the beliefs of the 4asons seems to be enwined with :ritish and 7uropean $sraelism# which has also affected the religious fanatics ,0 5hristian ?ightA man! 4asons apparentl! believe that the! represent a m!thical legac! goes bac% to the ancient $sraelites Bwho were "frican slaves.CA it is totall! bi11are how 3"0) B3hite "nglo 0a&on )rotestantsC conspirac! theorists and apologists for the economic elites who see% the economic enslavement of human%ind can claim to represent a legac! derived from an "frican slave revolution and !et ideologicall! support the economic enslavement and impoverishment of the 4otherland B"fricaC through economic imperialism# war and debt slaver!. >*et m! people Bi.e.# the "fricansC go> is not a 4asonic mantra on the contrar! it is a 5ommunist mantra. The truth about the 6reemasons is that the! are a group of strange pinn!@wearing losers that never 2uite made it in life. The idea that this lot Krule the worldK is hilarious @ and if the! are Kplanning to rule the worldK then its not going to happen and is /ust snip stupid fran%l!. 0eriousl! these gu!s are a load of sad cases with nothing better to do with their time.............. edit on 21@-@2011 b! generalcrac%down because: Bno reason givenC 9riginall! posted b! generalcrac%down The truth about the 6reemasons is that the! are a group of strange pinn!@wearing losers that never 2uite made it in life. The idea that this lot Krule the worldK is hilarious @ and if the! are Kplanning to rule the worldK then its /ust snip stupid fran%l!.

The view that 4asons >rule the world> is simpl! a >conspirac! theor!> which $ do not supportA the general anti@5apitalist position# to state the blatantl! obvious# is that the >$nternational 8ictatorship of 5apitalism> is a ver! real economic dictatorship where the world is ruled b! >5apitalists> not b! 6reemasonsA however the 6reemasons are a ma/or

organised gang of 5apitalists# which in the ,D represent the e2uivalent of the ?ussian 4afia in ?ussia# and their membership includes gang members who are certainl! entwined with the dictatorship of 5apital# national and international ban%ing and "nglo@ "merican $mperialism# state terrorism and narco@terrorism 0eriousl! these gu!s are a load of sad cases with nothing better to do with their time..............

3ell the 4asons here are 2uite representative of the 4asonic apologists on the $nternet as a wholeA the! are not here to engage in intelligent discussion and debateA the! simpl! utilise the methods of most 5apitalist gangs or religious cultists which is denialism# abuse# contradition# moc%er!# etc. The main economic ob/ective of the 4asonic gang appears to be the accumulation of 5apital# but certainl! the 4asonic gang members here appear to be here for their own amusementA however $ consider this to be to the advantage of their opponents and those who are stud!ing and observing 4asonic cultism 9riginall! posted b! *ucifer((( such a claim is total ahistorical fiction which is used to support the modern >$lluminati> conspirac! theor!.

"s much as $ tend to completel! disagree with *ucifer((( in his posts on "T0# $ have to give the man credit with this statement for its absolute truth. The 9) is tr!ing to fit a perspective N world view of that would onl! Bpotentiall!C fit the past 0 or 60 !ears into a time period of over +00 !rs. The concept reflects a ver! poor understanding of histor! and understanding of facets that detail the individuals# beliefs# political s!stems# and economies of those times. These are future goals $4<9... $ would be more worried about those then an!thing else... 7dited to add: The language te&ts posted while the video goes over the stones are a bit mi&ed up# but the stones are what reall! matter# not the mi&ed up languages the poster of the video did. <ere is a list of goals the! want...$ thin% the! are the onl! ones that reall! matter right now... These are future goals $4<9...

$ would be more worried about those then an!thing else... 1 4aintain humanit! under 00#000#000 in perpetual balance with nature. 2 .uide reproduction wisel! H improving fitness and diversit!. + ,nite humanit! with a living new language. - ?ule passion H faith H tradition H and all things with tempered reason. )rotect people and nations with fair laws and /ust courts. 6 *et all nations rule internall! resolving e&ternal disputes in a world court. ( "void pett! laws and useless officials. 8 :alance personal rights with social duties. 9 )ri1e truth H beaut! H love H see%ing harmon! with the infinite. 10 :e not a cancer on the earth H *eave room for nature H *eave room for nature. The onl! thing $ find worrisome about the .eorgia .uidestones is that man! people have given up hope that humanit! will at present solve the problems that we faceA overpopulation# war# famine# pollution etc. 0uch that what is left of humanit! after a population crash brought on b! an! one of these calamities ma! re2uire some guidance going into the future. The goal of controlling the population si1e is what is often seen as the most sinister however $ believe that it is the most necessar! in order to maintain a high 2ualit! of life for ever! living human being on the planet. ;ote it doesnKt sa! reduce the population to 00 million# it presupposes this crash will have alread! happened as a result of the >Traged! of the 5ommons> and it is offering advice to prevent it from reoccurring to the future generations. The 3orld 6ood 5risis# 5apitalism and 5ollectivism. There are probabl! >up to> and estimated +0#000 animal species# some of whom have dietar! re2uirements which are far greater than human beingsA !et nobod! reall! spea%s of the animal over@population problem# because there simpl! is no problem. The problem is not over@population but the 5apitalist s!stemA millions starve and are impoverished# not because there is not enough food# but because the! do not have the capital to bu! foodA if there is a demand for food but no 5apital# then the farmers are not incentivised to grow food. 7speciall! in the Third 3orld agricultural collectivism is urgentl! re2uired# where food could be grown as a >public service> and rationed# not as a 5apitalist commodit!. $n 5uba for e&ample# the basic monthl! food allowance for a person costs around one ,0 dollar and must be accompanied b! a ration cardA it is a ver! simple wa! of ma%ing sure that ever!one at least has the basic foodstuffs for survivalA the 5ubans ma! not be as obese as the "mericans and their supermar%ets are not full of /un% foods# but the! are not hungr!.

9f course >collectivism> and feeding the poor is a diabolical and >0atanic> idea to the "merican 5hristians and anti@5ommunists# whose religion is the accumulation of 5apital# rampant consumerism# and whose 5apital can incentivise farmers in the poorest regions of the earth# where food is in the most demand# to e&port foodstuffs to fill the superma%et shelves of the most morbidl! obese nation on earth. 0uch is the genocidal moralit! and selfishness of 5apitalism.

$f >swords are to be turned to ploughshares#> this would of course effect the ,0 econom! since half of the worldKs entire defence budgets of all the nations on earth is spent b! the ,0# and the ,0 is the worldKs leading armKs e&porter# while the ,08" pa!s farmers not to grow food rather than subsidise themA however much of this defence spending is not >defenceA> it is imperialistic aggression whose purpose is the demand for global resources# economic imperialism and the debt slaver! of imperial colonies. $f the proletariat are to >inherit the earth> it is onl! li%el! to happen with the defeat of the militant proponents of the dictatorship of 5apitalism and of ,0 militar! and economic imperialism.

,nfortunatel!# the science doesnKt support !our dismissal. $f food were distributed to all of the poor we could probabl! feed the world for the present but without controlling population growth we would rapidl! e&ceed the global carr!ing capacit!. The video !ou posted suggests that we produce more food on less land# and this is true however this is the result of technolog! generall! frowned upon as these methods lead to soil erosion# and pollutes the water with pesticides. 9n the other hand# organic farming methods which maintain the fertilit! of the soil actuall! re2uires more land for lower !ield. )ros and cons of organic farming 9riginall! posted b! *ucifer(((There are probabl! >up to> and estimated +0#000 animal species# some of whom have dietar! re2uirements which are far greater than human beingsA !et nobod! reall! spea%s of the animal over@population problem# because there simpl! is no problem.

$f onl! this claim were true# but alas there are scores of news articles detailing overpopulation in the wild and methods of control. 6eral cat overpopulation 8eer overpopulation 4allard overpopulation

?abbit overpopulation Gell!fish overpopulation :uffalo overpopulation 9riginall! posted b! *ucifer(((The problem is not over@population but the 5apitalist s!stemA millions starve and are impoverished# not because there is not enough food# but because the! do not have the capital to bu! foodA if there is a demand for food but no 5apital# then the farmers are not incentivised to grow food. 7speciall! in the Third 3orld agricultural collectivism is urgentl! re2uired# where food could be grown as a >public service> and rationed# not as a 5apitalist commodit!. $n 5uba for e&ample# the basic monthl! food allowance for a person costs around one ,0 dollar and must be accompanied b! a ration cardA it is a ver! simple wa! of ma%ing sure that ever!one at least has the basic foodstuffs for survivalA the 5ubans ma! not be as obese as the "mericans and their supermar%ets are not full of /un% foods# but the! are not hungr!. 9f course >collectivism> and feeding the poor is a diabolical and >0atanic> idea to the "merican 5hristians and anti@5ommunists# whose religion is the accumulation of 5apital# rampant consumerism# and whose 5apital can incentivise farmers in the poorest regions of the earth# where food is in the most demand# to e&port foodstuffs to fill the superma%et shelves of the most morbidl! obese nation on earth. 0uch is the genocidal moralit! and selfishness of 5apitalism.

$f >swords are to be turned to ploughshares#> this would of course effect the ,0 econom! since half of the worldKs entire defence budgets of all the nations on earth is spent b! the ,0# and the ,0 is the worldKs leading armKs e&porter# while the ,08" pa!s farmers not to grow food rather than subsidise themA however much of this defence spending is not >defenceA> it is imperialistic aggression whose purpose is the demand for global resources# economic imperialism and the debt slaver! of imperial colonies. $f the proletariat are to >inherit the earth> it is onl! li%el! to happen with the defeat of the militant proponents of the dictatorship of 5apitalism and of ,0 militar! and economic imperialism. *u&

$ thought that with !our academic credentials that !ou would have been familiar with the Traged! of the 5ommons# an essa! written b! .arret <ardin. The problem is that it is not possible to ma&imi1e two variables# we can ma&imi1e population si1e or we can ma&imi1e 2ualit! of life for each person living# we canKt do both. The essa! is critical of the strategies of capitalist and the communist s!stems as this grapple with the issue.

The Traged! of the 5ommons =ouTube *in% edit on 22@-@2011 b! no1smootha because: to cite source

repl! posted on 22@-@2011 O 08:22 )4 b! *ucifer((( 9riginall! posted b! no1smootha 9riginall! posted b! *ucifer((( 9ver@population is a m!th. =ouTube *in% The 3orld 6ood 5risis# 5apitalism and 5ollectivism.

,nfortunatel!# the science doesnKt support !our dismissal. $f food were distributed to all of the poor we could probabl! feed the world for the present but without controlling population growth we would rapidl! e&ceed the global carr!ing capacit!. The video !ou posted suggests that we produce more food on less land# and this is true however this is the result of technolog! generall! frowned upon as these methods lead to soil erosion# and pollutes the water with pesticides. 9n the other hand# organic farming methods which maintain the fertilit! of the soil actuall! re2uires more land for lower !ield.

9nl! certain agricultural products re2uire organic field based farming. 4odern agricultural technolog!# such as pol!house# h!droponic and aeroponic farming# such as used b! the $sraelis# 0audis and the 8utch for agriculture and floricultiure and# for e&ample b! the 8utch and 5alifornian mari/uana growers# can produce large !ields using organic fertili1ersA crops which might produce around 1@2 tons per acre can produce >up to> ton tons per acre with such methodsA since plants ta%e in most of their water from humidit! in the air# rather than the soil# humidit! tent farming is vastl! superior to soil based farming. This is not >roc%et scienceA> it is a ver! simple tried and tested method. $ have had spectacular results with indoor farming m!self in the past though at the moment

$ am growing outdoors on /ust about a si&th of an acre# and that is hard wor% for much less !ield. 9riginall! posted b! *ucifer(((There are probabl! >up to> and estimated +0#000 animal species# some of whom have dietar! re2uirements which are far greater than human beingsA !et nobod! reall! spea%s of the animal over@population problem# because there simpl! is no problem.

$f onl! this claim were true# but alas there are scores of news articles detailing overpopulation in the wild and methods of control. 6eral cat overpopulation 8eer overpopulation 4allard overpopulation ?abbit overpopulation Gell!fish overpopulation :uffalo overpopulation

$n the conte&t of the >world food problem#> none of the above is reall! such a problem when millions of people are starving# since all of the above are edible# even /ell!fish# which is rich in protein. 5ats# and even dogs are a traditional delicac! in 5hina and Dorea. $n the 5apitalist 3est the! are pets and are often fed on chic%en and e&pensive foodstuffsA the thought of eating them ma! seem even more outrageous to an "merican than the image of starving children# but it is the starving child which is the obscenit!# not cats and dogs in butchers shops. $ thought that with !our academic credentials that !ou would have been familiar with the Traged! of the 5ommons# an essa! written b! .arret <ardin. The problem is that it is not possible to ma&imi1e two variables# we can ma&imi1e population si1e or we can ma&imi1e 2ualit! of life for each person living# we canKt do both. The essa! is critical of the strategies of capitalist and the communist s!stems as this grapple with the issue. The Traged! of the 5ommons =ouTube *in%

The ?eturn to =ear Pero.

<ardinKs argument with the present world population is a >capitalist> and >consumerist> argument# not reall! a scientific argument# though certainl! he states it in those terms. 9bviousl! there are limits to the population of human beings which planet earth could support# in which case he is spea%ing simple common sense# but since much of the world is uninhabited# and most of the land is not farmed# we are a long wa! from that. 0ince we are living in a global 5apitalist dictatorship# then certainl! there >seems> to be an overpopulation problem# but this is caused b! 5apitalism and the selling of food as a commodit!. $n the current s!stem the 5hinese >one child> polic! ma! not be such a bad ideaA it would not be necessar! in the 6irst 3orld where population is relativel! stable# but it would be more appropriate for the the Third 3orld and the 8eveloping 3orld where the populations are spiralling food prices are rising and especiall! in urban areas this causes people to live in greater destitution and s2ualour. <alf the worldKs population now live in cities and ver! few of them produce food. )ol )otKs >?eturn to =ear Pero> was a diabolical# genocidal# primitivist solutionA one cannot have an overnight instant agricultural revolutionA nevertheless the urbanisation of 5apitalist societies also causes mass deprivation and impoverishmentA in a world of millions of hungr! people argiculture# fishing and livestoc% should be a priorit!# and this would re2uire de@urbanisation to a great e&tent.. $n much of the Third 3orld# especiall! in rural "frica# having a large famil! is a sign of prestige# and since there are little or no state welfare s!stems for the elderl!# having man! children provides securit! in old age# thus there would be massive cultural barriers to introduce a 5hinese st!le >one child> polic!# and it would probabl! be ferventl! resisted an!wa!. 6urther# contraception in "frica is not free for the entire population and most of the income of the poor goes on food. $f it is between purchasing a pac% of condoms or eating for a da!# people will tend to eat. 5ollectivism and 5apitalism. )ublic )ropert!# )rivate )ropert! and >use value.> <ardin suggests that as population increased# the 2ualit! of life reduces and that one can either have a lower population with a higher 2ualit! of life or a higher population with a higher 2ualit! of life. This is /ust common sense# but onl! at a point where the human population has become out of control# however we need to also as%# >what is 2ualit! of lifeJ :! the consumerist values of "merican 5apitalism# the "merican 8ream seems to include such things as rampant consumerismA shopping malls full of trin%ets which are often manufactured b! vast armies of labour slaves in poorer nations# such as the millions of 5hinese wor%ers wor%ing to fill the shelves of the worldKs largest corporation# 3almartA a mega@corporation which has decimated small independent business in the ,0 and transferred much of ,0 consumer manufacturing overseas. The "merican dream also includes supermar%ets and fast food chains full of foodstuffs guaranteed to create the most obese nation on earth# and all the health problems which go along with that. $t is also desirable in "merican st!le 5apitalism to have one or more homes# the larger the

better# one or more cars# sufficient mone! to gamble and to accumulate a mountain of private propert!# etc. ;ot so long ago 7milda 4arcos caused a sensation when it was discovered that she had 100Ks of pairs of shoes# but toda! man! "merican women have 100Ks of pairs of shoes# and labour hours which could be invested in agriculture and food are diverted to feed the needs of the 5apitlistKs addiction to over@consumption and greed. $n a collectivist / %ibbut1 s!stem there would be no need for ever!one to have an "merican st!le detached homeA people simpl! need somewhere to sleep and socialise. There would be no need for ever!one to have a %itchen if there is a communal canteen. There would be no need for ever!one to have a car. $ barel! use m! car more than a few hours a wee%# and the rest of the time it sits around idle# but in the Dibbut1im there are shared communal carsA there is simpl! no need to have one car for one person. 0ome people donKt use their )5Ks more than a few hours a wee%# and the rest of the time the! sit idleA in an agricultural or technological collective it would not matter if a person had a )5 as private or public propert!# as long as the! could go somewhere and use a )5. The same goes for all the tools and e2uipment that sit around in the garages of homes as private propert!. 3hen !ou go to a public par%# it does not matter that it is not !our private propert!A and the >use value> of public transport or shared transport has nothing to do with whether !ou own it or not# similarl! with technolog!# homes# tools and /ust about an!thing !ou can thin% of. There are of course ver! rare e&ceptionsA a short sighted person would need their own customised pair of spectacles# but there are ver! few things that we need to own as private propert! since public propert! has the same >use value > as private propert!. $ thin% that it is /ust that 5apitalist societ! ma%es us familiar with the idea of rampant consumerism and a life spent in the ac2uisition of personal propert!# but the recipe for >2ualit! of life> or >human happiness> is rather simple and universall! applicableA we are social creatures and a person can have an abundance of love and happiness without accumulating private propert!A it is simpl! our conditioning in a 5apitalist societ! which ma%es some of us thin% that wa! and turns human beings into 5apitalist devils. This is all not >theoretical> as far as $ am concerned b! the wa!A $ have lived in >communes> for around eight !ears of m! life in the past# though $ no longer do so for various reasons# however m! personal happiness and >2ualit! of life> had absolutel! nothing to do with the amount of private propert! $ ownedA indeed apart from a few items of clothing# $ did not own an!thing and $ did not need toA this is not to suggest that $ did not wor% and that $ had no 5apitalA on the contrar! when $ wal%ed off the propert! $ was bac% in the 5apitalist s!stem and $ felt sorr! for most of those who had to live that wa!. "n!wa! in a future post@revolutionar! world# once the ,0 $mperialists have been defeatedA we will have to thin% of something to do with the ,0 miltiar! and all the militant ideological 5apitalists# state terrorists and assorted economic parasites who would oppose revolution# and since the 5hristians an!wa! believe that >the wheat shall be separated from the chaff and the caff cast into the firesA> once their bodies are burnt# their crushed remains would ma%e e&cellent fertiliser to assist agricultural revolution

B>sword to ploughshares>C and were the! to be placed in industrial microwaves and carbonised# their carbon would ma%e e&cellent coo%ing fuel for people in the Third 3orld who have no electric coo%ers. 0o !ou see# !ou ideological 5apitalists might even have some >use value> for the 1000 =ear agricultural revolution after all. >"nother world is possible.> edit on 22@-@2011 b! *ucifer((( because: Te&t was not blasphemous and diabolical enoughA not enough 5hristian flesh and blood sacrificed and devoured.

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repl! posted on 28@ @2011 O 0 :0+ )4 b! *ittle5ee repl! to post b! 9*8 <$))= 8,87 The true goals of the illuminati and secret societies of the new world order is this e&actl!. The! focus on targeting individuals who live in povert! and who have nothing left in life but famil!. 3hen the! find someone who fits this description the! send out there recruiters who can seem li%e an average /oe# but the! give !ou an offer# it could be an!thing from /ust a /ob# to opportunites. the! do this because the! %now that the person will be more than willing to agree because the! have nothing to lose. then the! persuade !ou into selling !our sould without !ou %nowing and it could be an!thing as simple as signing a application or contract. after !ou sign it then prett! much the! brainwash that person and point them into the right direction of what the! want them to do the! become a puppet. and continue the wor% of the illuminati and will recieve mone! and happiness. this is how the! get most of their celebrities and famous people then the! use tv# movies# music# and ever!thing else that people need and the! have complete control of it to influence the choices that we ma%e in life. 2012 is not the end of the world it is a new world order which means that things will run differentl! and the right people will have ultimate control and power. the! want to be the higher ran%s in societ! and the! want to dumb us down. so that the! ma%e the decisions for us ta%e a loo% in toda!s world im sure !ou %now what im tal%ing about ahahah repl! posted on 29@ @2011 O 0(:28 "4 b! D0ig4ason " little off topic# but something struc% me toda! when wal%ing around. The :ible describes 4oses coming down from the mountain with the 10 5ommandments and that he gave off ra!s of light. 0ome interpret this to sa! he was enlightened or illuminated. "n $lluminati analog!J "m $ wa! off baseJ 4oses the first $lluminatusJ 9r does that title belong with 7ve who ate first from the "ppleJ edit on 29@ @2011 b! D0ig4ason because: Bno reason givenC

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The following 2 goals appl! to "merica and the rest of the world# this is prett! much a step b! step manual on how the $lluminati conspirac! wor%s# basicall! e&plains all the long term plans the! had bac% at the $lluminati's founding in 1((6.

1. "ll men are more easil! inclined towards evil than good. 2. )reach *iberalism +. ,se the idea of freedom to bring about class wars -. "n! and all means should be used to reach the $lluminati .oals as the! are /ustified. . The right to lie in force. 6. The power of our resources must remain invisible until the ver! moment it has gained the strength that no cunning or force can undermine it. (. "vocation of mob ps!cholog! to control the masses. 8. ,se alcohol# drugs# corruption and all forms of vice to s!stematicall! corrupt the !outh of the nation. 9. 0ei1e propert! b! an! means 10. ,se of slogans such as e2uit!# libert!# fraternit! delivered into the mouths of the masses in ps!chological warfare 11. 3ar should be directed so that the nations on both sides are placed further in debt and peace conferences conducted so that neither combatant obtains territor! rights. 12. 4embers must use their wealth to have candidates chosen and placed in public office who will be obedient to their demands and will be used as pawns in the game b! those behind the scenes. Their advisors will have been reared and trained from childhood to rule the affairs of the world. 1+. 5ontrol the press. 1-. "gents will come forward after fermenting traumatic situations and appear to be the saviors of the masses. 1 . 5reate industrial depression and financial panic# unemplo!ment# hunger# shortage of food and use this to control the masses or mob and then use the mob to wipe out all those who stand in the wa!. 16. $nfiltrate into the secret 6reemasons to use them for $lluminati purposes. 1(. 7&pound the value of s!stematic deception# use high sounding slogans and phrases and advocate lavish promises to the masses even though the! cannot be %ept. 18. 8etail plans for resolutions# discuss the art of street fighting which is necessar! to bring the population into speed! sub/ection. 19. ,se agents as advisors behind the scenes after wars and use secret diplomac! to gain control. 20. 7stablish huge monopolies that lean toward world government control. 21. ,se high ta&es and unfair competition to bring about economic ruin b! control of raw materials. 9rgani1e agitation among the wor%ers and subsidi1e their competitors.

22. :uild up armaments with )olice forces and 0oldiers sufficient to protect our needs. 2+. 4embers and leaders of the one world government would be appointed b! the directors. 2-. $nfiltrate into all classes and levels of societ! and government for the purpose of fooling# bemusing and corrupting the !outhful members of societ! b! teaching them theories and principles that we %now to be false. 2 . ;ational and $nternational laws should be used to destro! civili1ation and enslave and control the people. www.pa%alertpress.com... repl! posted on 18@-@2011 O 10:+ "4 b! s*i5%9+ repl! to post b! 9*8 <$))= 8,87 $ would sa! all of this is alread! ta%ing place. repl! posted on 18@-@2011 O 11:08 "4 b! Gosh;orton repl! to post b! 9*8 <$))= 8,87 =ou cite 5ooperA 5ooper doesnKt site ";= sourcesA seems li%e thatKs the end of the thread# to meS

repl! posted on 18@-@2011 O 01:18 )4 b! 9nThe*evel21+ repl! to post b! 9*8 <$))= 8,87 The $lluminati alwa!s represent whatever political movement the poster opposes. repl! posted on 18@-@2011 O 02: + )4 b! 9*8 <$))= 8,87 "nd of course none of the list is happening # right I "t least # as !ou see it.

repl! posted on 19@-@2011 O 06:2- )4 b! hawaii 0th $t must be mass h!pnotism# or chemtrails dulling the senses# or li%e on the television series >F> where bliss has captivated the whole planet. 3henever the sub/ect of a secret

that reall! isnKt so secret an!more is brought out into the complete spot light# no bod! wants to admit to it# or loo% at it. $tKs trul! ama1ing# the onl! other thing that $ never mentioned here is mass possession. 1 Timoth! -:1@+ B"mplified :ibleC 1 :,T T<7 T<ol!U 0pirit distinctl! and e&pressl! declares that in latter times some will turn awa! from the faith# giving attention to deluding and seducing spirits and doctrines that demons teach# 2 Through the h!pocris! and pretensions of liars whose consciences are seared Bcauteri1edC# + 3ho forbid people to marr! and Tteach themU to abstain from Tcertain %inds ofU foods which .od created to be received with than%sgiving b! those who believe and have Tan increasingl! clearU %nowledge of the truth. That prett! much sums it up. repl! posted on 20@-@2011 O 08:22 )4 b! *ucifer((( 9riginall! posted b! 9*8 <$))= 8,87 The following 2 goals appl! to "merica and the rest of the world# this is prett! much a step b! step manual on how the $lluminati conspirac! wor%s# basicall! e&plains all the long term plans the! had bac% at the $lluminati's founding in 1((6.

1. "ll men are more easil! inclined towards evil than good. 2. )reach *iberalism +. ,se the idea of freedom to bring about class wars -. "n! and all means should be used to reach the $lluminati .oals as the! are /ustified. . The right to lie in force. 6. The power of our resources must remain invisible until the ver! moment it has gained the strength that no cunning or force can undermine it. (. "vocation of mob ps!cholog! to control the masses. 8. ,se alcohol# drugs# corruption and all forms of vice to s!stematicall! corrupt the !outh of the nation. 9. 0ei1e propert! b! an! means 10. ,se of slogans such as e2uit!# libert!# fraternit! delivered into the mouths of the masses in ps!chological warfare 11. 3ar should be directed so that the nations on both sides are placed further in debt and peace conferences conducted so that neither combatant obtains territor! rights. 12. 4embers must use their wealth to have candidates chosen and placed in public office who will be obedient to their demands and will be used as pawns in the game b!

those behind the scenes. Their advisors will have been reared and trained from childhood to rule the affairs of the world. 1+. 5ontrol the press. 1-. "gents will come forward after fermenting traumatic situations and appear to be the saviors of the masses. 1 . 5reate industrial depression and financial panic# unemplo!ment# hunger# shortage of food and use this to control the masses or mob and then use the mob to wipe out all those who stand in the wa!. 16. $nfiltrate into the secret 6reemasons to use them for $lluminati purposes. 1(. 7&pound the value of s!stematic deception# use high sounding slogans and phrases and advocate lavish promises to the masses even though the! cannot be %ept. 18. 8etail plans for resolutions# discuss the art of street fighting which is necessar! to bring the population into speed! sub/ection. 19. ,se agents as advisors behind the scenes after wars and use secret diplomac! to gain control. 20. 7stablish huge monopolies that lean toward world government control. 21. ,se high ta&es and unfair competition to bring about economic ruin b! control of raw materials. 9rgani1e agitation among the wor%ers and subsidi1e their competitors. 22. :uild up armaments with )olice forces and 0oldiers sufficient to protect our needs. 2+. 4embers and leaders of the one world government would be appointed b! the directors. 2-. $nfiltrate into all classes and levels of societ! and government for the purpose of fooling# bemusing and corrupting the !outhful members of societ! b! teaching them theories and principles that we %now to be false. 2 . ;ational and $nternational laws should be used to destro! civili1ation and enslave and control the people. www.pa%alertpress.com...

$ thin% that almost all of the above points could be generall! considered to be an accurate anal!sis of the beliefs and agenda of the proponents of the >$nternational 8ictatorship of 5apitalism#> however the article is prefaced with the statement >..a list of the 2 $lluminati principles/goals that "dam 3eishaupt set up after the ?othschilds started financing the $lluminati conspirac!. 6irstl!# while these 2 goals might describe the agenda of the ,0 imperialists / state terrorists / narco@terrorists and the 5apitalist elties# the! certainl! do not describe the goals of "dam 3eishauptA such a claim is total ahistorical fiction which is used to support the modern >$lluminati> conspirac! theor!. 0econdl! there is absolutel! no evidence that the >?othschilds> financed the :avarian $lluminati. $ am certainl! not a fan of private ban%ing cartels# which often manipulate world events for their own financial benefits# however the histor! of the ?othschild

famil! shows sufficient malevolence# self interest Bwhich is 2uite natural in a 5apitalist s!stemC# and the financing of both sides in armed conflicts Bsuch as their financing of both ;apolean >and> the :ritish monarchistsC that it is not necessar! to ma%e things up about them. The ideological proponets and apologists for the dictatorship of private 5apital will generall! support whatever is in their best interests# whether it involves# wars# genocides# repressive police states etc. 6or the militant# ideological 5apitalist# the end usuall! /ustifies the meansA and the >end> is generall! the acumulation of 5apital# however this was >not> the agenda of 3eishauptA he was a political idealist# humanitarian and anti@ monarchistA not a ban%ster 5apitalist. 4ore on: >$n 8efence of "dam 3eishaupt and the $lluminati#> on www.abovetopsecret.com... *u& ...the human race will then become one famil!# and the world will be the dwelling of ?ational 4en.....This is the great ob/ect held out b! this associationA and the means of attaining it is illumination# enlightening the understanding b! the sun of reason which will dispel the clouds of superstition and of pre/udice. .....3hen man lives under government# he is fallen# his worth is gone# and his nature tarnished.... >The grand ob/ect of the 9rder must be more particularl! inculcated into him# namel!# that of teaching the whole universe to set aside all government# laws# and altarsA and he must perpetuall! attend to the grand interests of human nature. <is 1eal is to be stimulated at the sight of ever! man who is sub/ected to an! authorit!. $t is to reinstate the inhabitants of the earth in their original 72ualit! and *ibert! that he is constituted .eneral of all the $lluminees that are or will be spread over the world during his reign# all labouring at the accomplishment of the grand revolution of the 4an@Ding.>> "dam 3eishaupt EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE >To be .9F7?;78 is to be watched# inspected# spied upon# directed# law@driven# numbered# regulated# enrolled# indoctrinated# preached at# controlled# chec%ed# estimated# valued# censured# commanded# b! creatures who have neither the right nor the wisdom nor the virtue to do so. To be .9F7?;78 is to be at ever! operation# at ever! transaction noted# registered# counted# ta&ed# stamped# measured# numbered# assessed# licensed# authori1ed# admonished# prevented# forbidden# reformed# corrected# punished. $t is# under prete&t of public utilit!# and in the name of the general interest# to be placed under contribution# drilled# fleeced# e&ploited# monopoli1ed# e&torted from# s2uee1ed# hoa&ed# robbedA then# at the slightest resistance# the first word of complaint# to be repressed# fined# vilified# harassed# hunted down# abused# clubbed# disarmed# bound# cho%ed# imprisoned# /udged# condemned# shot# deported# sacrificed# sold# betra!edA and to

crown all# moc%ed# ridiculed# derided# outraged# dishonored. That is governmentA that is its /usticeA that is its moralit!.> @@ ). G. )roudhon# edit on 20@-@2011 b! *ucifer((( because: 6ormatting

repl! posted on 21@-@2011 O 0 :18 "4 b! naeem11111 repl! to post b! 9*8 <$))= 8,87 =ou /ust s%illfull! described !our %ind. 3ell done. The $lluminati do no such thing. repl! posted on 21@-@2011 O 01:26 )4 b! no1smootha repl! to post b! *ucifer((( "dam 3eishaupt and the $lluminati are often maligned and misconstrued b! conspirac! theorists who rel! on the paranoid ramblings of anti@0emitic and anti@communistic literature. The $lluminati was not intent to sei1e control of e&isting monarchies and theocracies# as anarchists the! sought to overthrow them. >The grand art of rendering an! revolution#> he wrote# >whatsoever certain is to enlighten the people H and to enlighten them is# insensibl! to turn the public opinion to the adoption of those changes which are the given ob/ects of the intended revolution. ...> $lluminists at all grades were to appl! themselves >to ac2uiring of interior and e&terior perfection># a perfection which would# through the wor%s of the 9rder# illuminate the entire world with reason and good deeds. )rinces and ;ations shall disappear from off the face of the earthI =es# a time shall come when man shall ac%nowledge no other law but the great boo% of natureA this revelation shall be the wor% of 0ecret 0ocieties and that is one of our grand m!steries. 3eishaupt 2uoted in 4emoirs $llustrating the <istor! of Gacobinism @ "bbe "ugustin :arruel# vol. +# p. 2 To fit man b! $llumination for active virtue# to engage him to it b! the strongest motives# to render the attainment of it eas! and certain ... this indeed will be emplo!ment suited to noble natures# grand in its views# and delightful in its e&ercise.... "nd what is the general ob/ectJ T<7 <"))$;700 96 T<7 <,4"; ?"57.... 3hen we see the wic%ed so powerful and the good so wea%# and that it is in vain to strive singl! and alone against the general current of vice and oppression# the wish naturall! arises in the mind that if it were possible to form a durable combination of the most worth! persons# who should wor% together in removing the obstacles to human happiness... and b! fettering lessen viceA means which at the same time should promote virtue# b! rendering the inclination to rectitude# hitherto so feeble# more powerful and engaging.

3ould not such an association be a blessing to the worldJ "pologie der $lluminaten @ "dam 3eishaupt repl! posted on 21@-@2011 O 0+:28 )4 b! bsbra!11 repl! to post b! 9*8 <$))= 8,87 *oo%s li%e the!Kve crossed their own goals in places. 6or e&ample# how can the! use nationKs own laws to enslave people when the! are simultaneousl! >corrupting> the !outh with drugs and etc.J Those are the same people who are spea%ing out and rebelling against laws in the first place# or at least a large portion of that crowd. "n!wa! if those goals were ever actuall! intended# whoever thought of them was not e&actl! the sharpest cra!on in the bo&# and there is an even higher >agenda> that will alwa!s be fulfilled first. repl! posted on 21@-@2011 O 0 : 6 )4 b! *ucifer((( 9riginall! posted b! bsbra!11 repl! to post b! 9*8 <$))= 8,87 *oo%s li%e the!Kve crossed their own goals in places. 6or e&ample# how can the! use nationKs own laws to enslave people when the! are simultaneousl! >corrupting> the !outh with drugs and etc.J Those are the same people who are spea%ing out and rebelling against laws in the first place# or at least a large portion of that crowd.

=ouTube *in% 3ell it seems to me that certain narcotics are %ept illegal since the "nglo@"merican state@ terrorists / narco@terrorists depend upon traffic%ing to finance their blac% militar! budgets.

)ure heroin in "fghanistan costs around one dollar per gram# and b! the time it reaches the 3est it is sold at various degrees of purit! for appro&imatel! L+0 to L60M a gramA legalising heroin for addicts Bwhich is the case for e&ample in 0wi1erlandC would devastate this business. *egalising alcohol in the ,0 after the prohibition periods was initiall! devasting for "merican organised crime as the! could no longer ma%e such large profits out of an illegal substance which was sold ever!where. 3hen the ,0 state terrorists were in Fietnam# most of the worldKs heroin came from the .olden Triangle and since the invasion of "fghanistan b! the ,0# whose purpose was to replace the Tlaiban with the "fghan drug lords# most of the worldKs heroin now comes from "fghanistanA that is essentiall! what the terrorist militar! mercenaries "nglo@"merican narco@terrorists are fighting and d!ing for# and !et the 5apitalist media portra!s such terrorists as >heroes.> "n!wa! if those goals were ever actuall! intended# whoever thought of them was not e&actl! the sharpest cra!on in the bo&# and there is an even higher >agenda> that will alwa!s be fulfilled first.

=es $ thin% that the >higher agenda> is essentiall! the >will of the gods Bi.e.# human beingsC> which is essentiall! collective human willA there are seven billion of us here and the >$nternational 8$ctatorship of 5apitalism> creates economic hell on earth for most of them. ,nfortunatel! most of us on discussion forums such as this one are the beneficiaries of the dictatorship of 5apitalism and live in the 5apitalist 6irst world where the mass media is generall! owned b! the ;eofascist apologists of 5apitalist state terrorismA certainl! the 4asonic gang members who seem to consider this forum their >home ground> could generall! be described as terrorist collaborators and ;eofascistsA the ideological 5apitalist tends to be firstl! and foremostl! dedicated to the >accumulation of 5apital> rather than the economic liberation of human%ind >from> the economic t!rann! and slaver! of 5apital. *u& @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ 9riginall! posted b! no1smootha repl! to post b! *ucifer((( "dam 3eishaupt and the $lluminati are often maligned and misconstrued b! conspirac! theorists who rel! on the paranoid ramblings of anti@0emitic and anti@ communistic literature.

=es however man! 6reemasons also fit into the categor! of >tin foil hat> conspirac! theoristsA indeed some of the best selling wor%s in the >conspirac! theor!> sections of boo%shops have 4asonic authors. 3hen !ou have a cult of consiprac! theorists such as 6reemasonr!# it is onl! natural that !ou are going to attract the attention of other conspirac! theorists. >$ too% m! obligations from white men# not from negroes. 3hen $ have to accept negroes as brothers or leave 4asonr!# $ shall leave it.> "lbert )i%e @ 18( ,nfortunatel! the beliefs of the 4asons seems to be enwined with :ritish and 7uropean $sraelism# which has also affected the religious fanatics ,0 5hristian ?ightA man! 4asons apparentl! believe that the! represent a m!thical legac! goes bac% to the ancient $sraelites Bwho were "frican slaves.CA it is totall! bi11are how 3"0) B3hite "nglo 0a&on )rotestantsC conspirac! theorists and apologists for the economic elites who see% the economic enslavement of human%ind can claim to represent a legac! derived from an "frican slave revolution and !et ideologicall! support the economic enslavement and impoverishment of the 4otherland B"fricaC through economic imperialism# war and debt slaver!. >*et m! people Bi.e.# the "fricansC go> is not a 4asonic mantra on the contrar! it is a 5ommunist mantra. *u& edit on 21@-@2011 b! *ucifer((( because: 6ormatting

repl! posted on 21@-@2011 O 06:1+ )4 b! generalcrac%down The truth about the 6reemasons is that the! are a group of strange pinn!@wearing losers that never 2uite made it in life. The idea that this lot Krule the worldK is hilarious @ and if the! are Kplanning to rule the worldK then its not going to happen and is /ust snip stupid fran%l!. 0eriousl! these gu!s are a load of sad cases with nothing better to do with their time.............. edit on 21@-@2011 b! generalcrac%down because: Bno reason givenC

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repl! posted on 21@-@2011 O 06:+6 )4 b! *ucifer(((

9riginall! posted b! generalcrac%down The truth about the 6reemasons is that the! are a group of strange pinn!@wearing losers that never 2uite made it in life. The idea that this lot Krule the worldK is hilarious @ and if the! are Kplanning to rule the worldK then its /ust snip stupid fran%l!.

The view that 4asons >rule the world> is simpl! a >conspirac! theor!> which $ do not supportA the general anti@5apitalist position# to state the blatantl! obvious# is that the >$nternational 8ictatorship of 5apitalism> is a ver! real economic dictatorship where the world is ruled b! >5apitalists> not b! 6reemasonsA however the 6reemasons are a ma/or organised gang of 5apitalists# which in the ,D represent the e2uivalent of the ?ussian 4afia in ?ussia# and their membership includes gang members who are certainl! entwined with the dictatorship of 5apital# national and international ban%ing and "nglo@ "merican $mperialism# state terrorism and narco@terrorism 0eriousl! these gu!s are a load of sad cases with nothing better to do with their time..............

3ell the 4asons here are 2uite representative of the 4asonic apologists on the $nternet as a wholeA the! are not here to engage in intelligent discussion and debateA the! simpl! utilise the methods of most 5apitalist gangs or religious cultists which is denialism# abuse# contradition# moc%er!# etc. The main economic ob/ective of the 4asonic gang appears to be the accumulation of 5apital# but certainl! the 4asonic gang members here appear to be here for their own amusementA however $ consider this to be to the advantage of their opponents and those who are stud!ing and observing 4asonic cultism *u& edit on 21/-/2011 b! 0auron because: edit profanit! from 2uote

repl! posted on 21@-@2011 O 06:-( )4 b! generalcrac%down $ wouldnKt call it a KgangK. 4ore of an old bo!s club. repl! posted on 21@-@2011 O 09: 9 )4 b! 5$".!ps! 9riginall! posted b! *ucifer((( such a claim is total ahistorical fiction which is used to support the modern >$lluminati> conspirac! theor!.

"s much as $ tend to completel! disagree with *ucifer((( in his posts on "T0# $ have to give the man credit with this statement for its absolute truth. The 9) is tr!ing to fit a perspective N world view of that would onl! Bpotentiall!C fit the past 0 or 60 !ears into a time period of over +00 !rs. The concept reflects a ver! poor understanding of histor! and understanding of facets that detail the individuals# beliefs# political s!stems# and economies of those times. edit on 21@-@2011 b! 5$".!ps! because: Bno reason givenC

repl! posted on 21@-@2011 O 10:0- )4 b! Wuic%fi& <ere is a list of goals the! want...$ thin% the! are the onl! ones that reall! matter right now... =ouTube *in% These are future goals $4<9... $ would be more worried about those then an!thing else... 7dited to add: The language te&ts posted while the video goes over the stones are a bit mi&ed up# but the stones are what reall! matter# not the mi&ed up languages the poster of the video did. edit on 21@-@2011 b! Wuic%fi& because: Bno reason givenC

repl! posted on 22@-@2011 O 02:28 "4 b! no1smootha 9riginall! posted b! Wuic%fi& <ere is a list of goals the! want...$ thin% the! are the onl! ones that reall! matter right now... These are future goals $4<9... $ would be more worried about those then an!thing else...

1 4aintain humanit! under 00#000#000 in perpetual balance with nature. 2 .uide reproduction wisel! H improving fitness and diversit!.

+ ,nite humanit! with a living new language. - ?ule passion H faith H tradition H and all things with tempered reason. )rotect people and nations with fair laws and /ust courts. 6 *et all nations rule internall! resolving e&ternal disputes in a world court. ( "void pett! laws and useless officials. 8 :alance personal rights with social duties. 9 )ri1e truth H beaut! H love H see%ing harmon! with the infinite. 10 :e not a cancer on the earth H *eave room for nature H *eave room for nature. The onl! thing $ find worrisome about the .eorgia .uidestones is that man! people have given up hope that humanit! will at present solve the problems that we faceA overpopulation# war# famine# pollution etc. 0uch that what is left of humanit! after a population crash brought on b! an! one of these calamities ma! re2uire some guidance going into the future. The goal of controlling the population si1e is what is often seen as the most sinister however $ believe that it is the most necessar! in order to maintain a high 2ualit! of life for ever! living human being on the planet. ;ote it doesnKt sa! reduce the population to 00 million# it presupposes this crash will have alread! happened as a result of the >Traged! of the 5ommons> and it is offering advice to prevent it from reoccurring to the future generations. edit on 22@-@2011 b! no1smootha because: Bno reason givenC

repl! posted on 22@-@2011 O 0 :2+ "4 b! Wuic%fi& repl! to post b! no1smootha <ow else do !ou thin% the! are going to get the population that lowJ $ have a few ideas. "nd the whole 2ualit! of life# there is plent! of room on earth for us now# there doesnKt have to be that much of a population reduction# but the! are determined# it is set in stone.... repl! posted on 22@-@2011 O 06:29 "4 b! dethduc% 6irst# prove conclusivel! that the $lluminati even e&ists and is not /ust a m!thical political boge! man. Then profess what their goals are. repl! posted on 22@-@2011 O 0(:12 "4 b! *ucifer((( 9riginall! posted b! no1smootha

1 4aintain humanit! under 00#000#000 in perpetual balance with nature.

9ver@population is a m!th. =ouTube *in% The 3orld 6ood 5risis# 5apitalism and 5ollectivism. There are probabl! >up to> and estimated +0#000 animal species# some of whom have dietar! re2uirements which are far greater than human beingsA !et nobod! reall! spea%s of the animal over@population problem# because there simpl! is no problem. The problem is not over@population but the 5apitalist s!stemA millions starve and are impoverished# not because there is not enough food# but because the! do not have the capital to bu! foodA if there is a demand for food but no 5apital# then the farmers are not incentivised to grow food. 7speciall! in the Third 3orld agricultural collectivism is urgentl! re2uired# where food could be grown as a >public service> and rationed# not as a 5apitalist commodit!. $n 5uba for e&ample# the basic monthl! food allowance for a person costs around one ,0 dollar and must be accompanied b! a ration cardA it is a ver! simple wa! of ma%ing sure that ever!one at least has the basic foodstuffs for survivalA the 5ubans ma! not be as obese as the "mericans and their supermar%ets are not full of /un% foods# but the! are not hungr!. 9f course >collectivism> and feeding the poor is a diabolical and >0atanic> idea to the "merican 5hristians and anti@5ommunists# whose religion is the accumulation of 5apital# rampant consumerism# and whose 5apital can incentivise farmers in the poorest regions of the earth# where food is in the most demand# to e&port foodstuffs to fill the superma%et shelves of the most morbidl! obese nation on earth. 0uch is the genocidal moralit! and selfishness of 5apitalism.

$f >swords are to be turned to ploughshares#> this would of course effect the ,0 econom! since half of the worldKs entire defence budgets of all the nations on earth is spent b! the ,0# and the ,0 is the worldKs leading armKs e&porter# while the ,08" pa!s farmers not to grow food rather than subsidise themA however much of this defence spending is not >defenceA> it is imperialistic aggression whose purpose is the demand for global resources# economic imperialism and the debt slaver! of imperial colonies.

$f the proletariat are to >inherit the earth> it is onl! li%el! to happen with the defeat of the militant proponents of the dictatorship of 5apitalism and of ,0 militar! and economic imperialism. *u&