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Why I hate the M16/AR-15 Rifle

by MadOgre 02/07/2011 25 Comments

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WhenjoinedtheArmyandwasissuedmyfirstM16, Ithoughtitwasthedeadliestrifleeverinvented.It wastheblackest,mostevillookingthingever.Itwaspure badass.Iwasinlovesure,Ihadjamshereandthere butthatwasduetothedirtyblankammunition,right?I cleanedmyrifletothepointofsurgicalinstrumentclean andlubeditexactinglyaccordingtothegospelofmyDrill Sergeants.WhenIwenttofireitwithliveroundsand foundthatIwouldgetanoccasionaljam.Well,thisis becauseitwasanoldrifleusedbyhundredsofraw ignorantrecruitslikemyself.Right?

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AftertrainingIwenttoaunitthathadanArmourer thatbelievedanyjamwasapersonalinsulttohim soheusedspecialtoolshegotfromajewelersand polishedeveryinternalbearingsurfacetoamirrorfinish. Ithoughtthepartswerechromed.IthoughtthatTHIS washowanM16wassupposedtobelike.Perfectly

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smoothandslickineveryfunctionfromtriggerpullto magazineejectionandeverythinginbetween.NoI dontrememberhavinganyjamswithitbutthenagain, thisobsessivecompulsiveArmoureralwaysinsistedupon checkingtherifleanddetailstrippingandcleaningit wheneverIwasondowntime.Notjustmyriflebut everyrifleintheunit.Ifyoudidgetajam,hewouldbe inquiringastowhatyoudidtohisrifle!Butthisguywas uniqueandsowerehisrifles.WhenIwenttoa differentunit,therifleIwasgivenwasregularMilSpec andIhadjamsfortherestofmytimeinservice.Ijust thought,well,theseareoldwornoutriflesNotanew customizedriflelikeIusedtorun.Ihadconvincedmyself thatnewAR15swouldntjamlikethis.

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Iwasverywrong.Ifoundthisoutthehardwaywith theacquisitionofaBushmasterXM15A2.Itran flawlesslyforthefirst20roundboxofammo*sigh* Slowly,suspicionbuilt.Thensuddenlyrealizationhitme likeatruckloadofClue.TheAR15sucks.Crap,mylittle brotherwasright.Iusedtoarguewithmybrotherabout ARsvsAKs,myselfbeingafullfledgedAR15Apologist. ButhewasrightBothriflesuseanintermediate cartridge.Neitherarefullsizedriflerounds.Todebate theriflebasedonlyonthecaliberiswrong.Proofyou cangetanARchamberedin.243butitisstillanAR withallofthenormalARproblems.TheDesignis criticallyflawed.Oh,buttheARissoergonomic! Ergonomicsareaplusbutwhatsthepointifthegun doesntevengoClick!?! Letslookatsomedetails.

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TheAR15sucksbydesign.Ifyoulayouttheblue printsoftherifleyoudiscoverthatthedesignis fundamentallyflawed.Thedesignusestolerancesthat arewaytootightforacombatweapon.Itisammo sensitivetothepointofbeingfinicky.Itusessoftalloy receiversandisfedfromflimsymagazinesthataretoo weaktooperateproperlywhenloadedtofullcapacity. Thenthereisthegassystem.Therifledefecateswhereit eatsthankstoitsdirectgasimpingementsystem. Compoundingthatbadidea,wehavetheuseofatiny gastubeandahorriblebreachdesignthatisimpossible tocleanproperlywithoutdentaltoolsandthepatienceof adentistdoingarootcanal.Thegastubeitselfcanwarp orbreakfromoverheatingduetosustainedfiring.Iknow, IveseenithappenandIvedoneitmyself.Whenthegas tubeglowsbrightlyatnighttothepointitslightingyour immediateareathisisnotgooditcouldgopopany momenthere.Ifyourgastubehadanyweaknessinit beforeitsonlygoingtobeworsenow.Ifitdoesnt breaknowitwillhaveagreaterlikelihoodofbreakingin thefuture.

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Theextractordesignispunyandweak,butworse yetisthespringloadedejector.Theejectorplunger cangetstuckwiththesmallestofparticlesofbrassor copperfromtheammunition.Ajamfromastuckejector isaspecialkindofjamthatdoublefeedsthenextround causingawedgethatpreventsfurthermovementofthe actionregardlessofhowhardyoutrytopullonthebolt handle.Toclearit,youhavetodropthemagazine(ifyou can)andslamthebuttfuriouslyagainstahard, unyieldingobjectpreferablyEugeneStonershead. (thedesigner)Unfortunatelywhenyoustartslammingthe riflelikethis,youcanbendtherifleatacoupledifferent pointsoryoucanjustbreakstock.Itsarollofthedice.

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Letstalkaboutfieldstrippingforasecond.Atfirstit startsoutnottoobadly.Pushoutapinandtherifle breaksopenlikeashotgunallowingyoutopulloutthe boltcarrierassembly.Wait,becarefulnottoloseor damagethatTshapedcharginghandleitismadeout ofrelativelysoftaluminumcomparedtotheboltcarrier. Aftertheboltcarrierisout,youneedtodisassembleit. Thereisafiringpinretainingpin,thenthefiringpin,then thebigrotatingboltpinNow,youcanpulloutthebolt. Dontlooseanyofthosepins,ifyoudo,youarescrewed. Nowgottatakethatlittleboltanddriftoutthelittle extractorpincarefulnottoletthespringfly.Thenthere istheejectoranditslittlepinandspring.

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Nowthatyouhaveallofthesethingstakendownclean them.Whilecleaningyouwillnoticethatinagreatmany hardtoreachplacesyouhaveablackdepositthatmust beremoved.Thisiscarbon.ThisisthedefecationthatI mentionedearlier.Ithitsthemetalflaminghotandunder pressure.Doyouknowwhatheatandpressuredoesto carbon?Turnstheshitintodiamondsthatswhatitdoes. Thisblackcarbonissohardthatithastobescrapedoff withatool.Oopsnottoohardyoudontwantto scratchtheparts.Youcanuseyourfiringpin,butitsnot thebesttoolforitandyoudontwanttodamagethe firingpinthatwouldbeabadthing.

Becertainthatyoucleanouttheinsidesofthebolt carrierwherethegastubeisandthesurfaceswherethe

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firingpinoperate.Morecarbonthereandonthefiring pinitsself.Youcaneasilygothroughadozenorsopipe cleanersintheboltandcarriersystem.Oncealltheparts arecleanedandinspectedandproperlylubed,itcanall bereassembled.Allofthismighttakeyouabout45 minutestoanhourifyouwantyourrifletoPass Inspection.Nowthereistherifleitsself.

Thereisthelowerreceiverandtriggergroup.More pipecleanersandsomeQTipstogetdowninthere. Afterthelowerisdone,itstimefortheupperreceiver. Youhavethemaintubeportionthatishardtoreachall theareasintherethenthecharginghandleraceway whichisevenmoreinteresting.Thegastubeneedstobe cleaningaswell.PipeCleaners,highpressuresolvent injectors,harshlanguageallrequiredtocleanthat. Oncethisisdonenowyouareinforaspecialtreat.The chamber.TheAR15schamberisshapedlikearetarded starandyouhavetogetbehindthelugsinthere. Strangebrushes,pipecleaners,languagethatwould makeadrunkIrishmanblushallrequiredtogetthe

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chambercleanandnoneofitallowyoutogetthe chamberperfectlyclean. Afterthischamberoftortures,youcannowdothebarrel likeanormalrifle.Thereyougo.Putitallbacktogether againandthenwipethewholethingdownandyour done.Throughtheentireprocessyouhaveletanentire movieplay,eatensomedinner,anddrankabout4anda halfColdOnes.YourDrillSergeantwouldnobeproud. Trydoingallthisinthefield,duringbadweather conditions,stress,hunger,fatigue,thethreatofdeath, andnoColdOnesnotmuchfunisit?Nowremember thisthephraseItfunctionswellifitscleanedproperly. YouwillhearthatalotabouttheAR15.Infact,in regardstotheAR15,youwillALWAYShearthat.Soget usedtoit.Youllhearitagain.Theflawistheriflesgas system.Shouldthegassystemberedesignedtousean operatingrodandgaspistontopushtheboltcarrierback thatwouldbe75%oftheriflesproblem,20%thelackof afixedejector,andthelast5%isthechamberand lockinglugsdesignthatmakesitsuchachoretoclean.

TheonlyplusfortheARsgasimpingementsystemis thatithasfewerparts.Supposedly,thismakesfora moreaccurateriflesystemthanonewhichutilizesanop rodlikeanM14/M1Garandoranoprodattachedtoa

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gaspistonlikeanAK.However,theproblemisthat becausethehotgassesareblownbackintotheaction, onlycertainpropellantsmaybeusedlestthesystem sufferstotalbreakdownduetocarbonpollution.Thiswas theproblemwhichledtowaytoomanyU.S.casualties duringtheVietNamwar.GoingtotheGarandor Kalashnikovtypeactionwillproduceagunwhichismore robustandlesssensitivetothetypeofpowderinthe ammunition.However,thetradeoffisweightandmore movingparts.Supposedlythismeanslessaccuracy. FunnyhowtheM21sniperriflesystemusesthistypeof action.Gofigure.AdmittedlytheM21/M14isahigher maintenancegunthantheAR,andthisisoneofthe reasonswhyARsaresupercedingtheM14inmatches. TheotherreasonisfamiliaritywiththeriflesinceARs aresopopularandaretheUSmilitarysservicerifle, morepeopleknowtheARthantheydotheM14. NotonlycantheARjamsoeasily,butitdoesnteven makeagoodclub.

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AR15hasmanyadvocatesandIhavejustpissedthem allofftotheman.Illgetemailsaboutthishereare whattheyaregoingtosayWellnothefirstthingthat aregoingtosayisthatIdontknowwhatIamtalking aboutIwasntenlistedbecauseIdontpublishmy unitWell,Idontpublishmyfuckingcreditcardnumber eitherdumbass.Sootherthanpersonalattacks(which Igetthemostbecausetheycantattacktheidea,they havetoattacktheman)herearethearguments: 1)TheM16issoaccurate! Answer:Accuracyisntthenumberonerequirementofan assaultrifleanddoesyoulittlegoodifthegundoesntfire whenthetriggerispulled. 2)Itworksfineifyoucleanit! Answer:Aservicerifleshouldstillworkfineevenwhen youdonthavethetimetocleanit.Likewhenpeopleare shootingatyou.Ifitgetstoomuddyyoushouldbeable toopentheaction,pissintoittorinsethemudchunks outofit,andbebackinthefight. 3)Itsverylight! Answer:Anditbreaks!HoweverthisverylightAR15is nolongerlightwhenyouaddinalltheextrasthatarethe stylethesedaystwowhitelights,verticalforegrip,full lengthrailforyourshortcompactopticalsights lasersAM/FMtapedeckThereisawholeGun IndustrySubIndustryrevolvedaroundtheAR15.There aresomanyaccessoriestheARisnothingmorethana BlackBarbieDollforBoys.Youcandressitupforanight onthetownoradayatthebeachinyourlittlepink convertibleitsfabulous!Bythetimeyourrifleis dressedoutlikeoneoftheguysfromtheBlackhawk Industriesadsitsnolongerverylight.Itnowweighsas muchasanM249SAW. 4)Ivefiredblah,blahnumberofroundsthroughMYAR, anditworksfine.

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Answer.Notwhileonyourbellyinthedirtcrawling throughGodknowswhat.Punchingholesthroughpaper targetsattherangeisfinetheAR15isagreatlittle .223targetrifle.Butafightingrifleitisnot.Aslongas youdoyourpart ThisisaWEAPONNotaBenchRestcomprifle.A weapongetsusedandabusednottreatedlikea FabergeEgg.Doingyourpartshouldincludepissing intotheactiontorinsethemudoutofitandnotmuch more. YouliketheAR?Fine.Enlistandtryitoutwhereitis supposedtobeused.OnethingtothinkaboutTheAR wasdesignedbackinthe1960s,whenpeoplesmokeda lotofpotNotsayingthatStonersmokeddope,butit wouldexplainafewthings.Sincethattimetherehave beendozensofdifferentmilitarygunsdesignedallover theworld.Thedesignersoftheseweaponshadthe advantageofbeingabletolookatwhatelsewasout thereandpickwhattheylikedthebest.Somyquestion is,overthelastfortysomeoddyears,howmanynew militaryrifleshavecomeoutusingtheARgassystem? (The.308versionoftheAR15calledtheSR25orAR 10doesntcount)Howmanyhavecomeoutusinga piston?Howmanyhaveaspringloadedejectorvs.a fixedejector?Withsomeformofgaspistonoroprod sincetheAR:K2,G36,SAR,Valmet,SakoM90,Sig550, FNC,Galil,Tavor,AN94,FARA98,Aug,INSAS,AR 70/90,AR18,Stoner63.ImnotsureifitisSingaporeor TaiwanwhohasbuiltacopyoftheM16,butitevenhasa gaspiston!Iveprobablyforgottenafewaswell.Who elsehasuseddirectgasimpingementintheirdesigns?I cantthinkofanyatthemoment. ThebestwaytoimprovetheAR15istounscrew thefrontsight,andputanewgununderit.Kevin McKlung,akaMadDog. Letstalkaboutthecartridgenow,forjustamoment.

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5.56MMisanothernamefor.223basically.Inessence, itsjustabig.22rifle.Youcanevenfire.22LRthrough theAR15accuratelywithanadapterboltmechanism. Therearethosethatsaythat5.56MMisplentypowerful enoughforcombatandeveninflictmorewounddamage thana7.62X39MMoreventhemighty.308.Thisis completelyuntrue.Justbecauseyousawagraphthat someguydrewwithMSPaintthatillustratesawound channelinballisticgeldoesntmeanthatwhatyousaw withthetruth. Wellunder100metersNo.Noitdoesnt.The.308 firesabigger,fatter,heavierbulletwithagreaterpower chargebehindit.The.308hasagreaterrangedoits tremendousballisticadvantageatanyrange.Muzzleto 1,000yardsoutwellbeyondwherea5.56MMweapon caneffectivelyengage. YouwanttotalkpowerfromtheARshypervelocity? Thenhowcomepolicetacticalunitsareusing5.56MM weaponsbecauseofthereducedriskofover penetration? Justaboutany.308load(WARNING:Graphic ExaggerationAhead!)willblowabigenoughhole throughapersontotossacatthrough,sodontevengo thereabout5.56MMballistics.Especiallywhenyour talkingabouttheshorter16inchbarreledversionsofthe AR.Whenyoushortenthebarrelofarifle,yourreducing itsvelocityandtheonlythingtheM16hasgoingforitis velocity.Afterchoppingitdown,yourvelocityisnowjust average.Letsbequitefranktherearesome.22LR loadsthatcanalmostcatchuptoit. FACT:AR15/M16basedriflesSUCK.TheArmyhas doneitsdamnedesttomakepeoplethinktheydont butletsnottakemywordforitletstakeitstraightfrom thehorsesmouth.ReadTHIS.IftheARissogreat,how cometheyhavebeentryingtoreplaceit?Whyhasthe

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SpecialForcesjustawardedacontracttoFNfortheir newSCARrifle?Why?Ivetoldyouwhy.Iveyettoget anemailfromarealcombatveteranwhohasseenmore thanasingleinstanceofactionwhothinkstheAR15/M 16familyofriflesisagoodweapon.EvenwhenIwasin, therewereXMXorsomedesignationrifletrialsto includenewvariantsoftheM16,oneofwhichwasthe flattop,andapparentlythatwonEventhoughitwas stillthelowestscoringrifleinthemixaccordingtothe gruntstheyletplaywiththem.Readingthisarticle,you findanicelittlephraseaboutusinganoperatingrodto improvethereliabilitybecauselikeIhavesaid,itself pollutes.Itshitsonitsowndinnerplate.IliketheXM8, butIdlikeitbetterifitwasin.300Whisper. PS: IwrotethispiecealongtimeagoIthasgarneredme moreflakthananythingelseIhaveeverwritten.Itis linkedtomanydiscussionforumsalloverthenetwhere peoplewhodisagreewithmyopinionelecttovoiceit throughpersonalinsultsandaskingquestionstotheir forumbutnottome.Thatsfine.Idontconsidermyself tobetakentotaskbyzitfaced,rollplaying,counter strikeaddictedpussies. WhatREALSOLDIERShavetosayabouttheM4/M16: 3rdIDsoldier:Iknowitfiresverywellandaccurate [when]clean.Butsometimesitneedstofiredirtywell too. 25thInfantryDivisionsoldier:TheM4Weaponinthe desertsofIraqandAfghanistanwasquicktomalfunction whenalittlesandgotintheweapon.Tryingtokeepit clean,sandfreewasimpossiblewhileonpatrolsor firefights. 82ndAirborneDivisionsoldier:T heM4isoverallan excellentweapon,howevertheflawofitssensitivitytodirt

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andpowderresidueneedstobecorrected.Truetofact, cleaningwillhelp.Dailyassignedtasks,andnonregular hoursintacticalsituationsdonotalwayswarrantthe necessarytimerequiredforeffectivecleaning. 75thRangerRegimentmember,SOCOM:Evenwiththe dustcoverclosedandmagazineinthewell,sandgetsall insideonandaroundthebolt.Itstillfires,butaftera whilethesandworksitswayallthroughthegunandjams start. The507thMaintenanceCompany,ambushedoutside Nasariyahin2003duringtheopeningdaysoftheground invasionofIraq,mightconcurwithalloftheabove.The postincidentreportreleasedbytheUSArmyhadthisto say: Dusty,desertconditionsdorequirevigilanceinweapons maintenanceHowever,itisimperativetoremember thatatthetimeoftheattack,the507thhadspentmore thantwodaysonthemove,withlittlerestandtimeto conductvehiclerepairandrecoveryoperations. ThelastwordwillbelefttoSOCOMsMajorChaz Bowser: Webuynewlaptopcomputerseveryfewyearsacross thegamut,socouldntwedothesamewithoursingle mostimportantpieceofmilitaryequipment?.Waiting foraleapaheadtechnologybasedonakineticenergy weaponplatformisawasteoftimeandmoney,sowe needtolookatwhatisouttherenow.WhattheArmy needsisaweaponthatisnowreadyforprimetimeand notadevelopmentalsystem.Therequirementcomes fromthefield,notfromanofficeinsomegarrisonactivity, notfromsomeconsultantanddefinitelynotfroma vendor. Letsdothisquicklywithoutallthebureaucracytypically associatedwithchange.Findsomeoneinourrankswho

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canmakeadecisionwhohasntfloatedaretirement resumewithaguncompanyandmakethedecision now.Justlookhowfastwewereallissuedthehighly covetedblackberetorthedigitaluniform.Findthat recipecard,changeoutthewordVelcrowithbattlerifle andthatmaybeastarttofindingasolution[DID:which, heacknowledges,couldbeColt'sM4ifthat'swhatthe competitionshows].Ourmenandwomendeservemuch betterthanwearegivingthem,andshameonus.

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25 comments for Why I hate the M-16/AR-15 Rifle

Muhr
02/07/2011at1:00am

Nomatterwhatyearitis,orhowmany timesyoudoit,shootingahornets nestwithapelletgunisfun.

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Mattitude
02/07/2011at10:11am

CounterStrikewow,thatreallydates thispiece.Doesanyoneevenownthis gameanymore?George,Idontknow whyyouevenbringthisupagain

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consideringARsareCrusadersbread &butter.Thishorseneedstobe6feet under.

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Ogre
02/07/2011at11:57am

Thiswaswritten,what?8 yearsagoormorenow? Whybringitup?Well,thatsa goodquestion.Iguessitgoes toshowthefaiththatIputinto Crusadersguns.Their reliabilityisaboveanything elseIveseeninotherARs. Yousee,withtheotherguys ARsitsallaboutwhatsON theAR.WithCrusader,you putonwhateveryouwant butCrusaderisallabout whatsINtheAR.Thereisa fundamentallyhuge difference.Thisiswhya Crusaderisbetter.Iwouldnt havebeenapartofCrusader ifitwasanyless.
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Kristopher
02/07/2011at12:16pm

Stilltruetoday.Crusaderis justsellingwhatits

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customerswant. IhavethreeARs(aDCM rifle,aCavarmsplasticin 6.8SPC,andalower dedicatedtoa.50BMG upper)butthe emergencyrifleIkeep loadedandhangingfrom coathookisanAKthatI builtfromaRomypartskit forunder$200. Iknowthatregardlessof whatelsehappens,thatAK willshoot. Mytruckgun,whichtakes evenmoreabuse,isa MosinNagantcarbine
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Zach
02/07/2011at10:21am

Letthepoostormcommence.
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Ogre
02/07/2011at12:07pm

Worsethanithasbeenforthe lastmanyyears?Itgoesin cyclessometimesIhear nothingaboutit,thensuddenly

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Igetabunchofemailsabout it.SomefromYouDontKnow Nothingtypes,andothers fromprofessionalsoldiersand contractorswhoserveinfront line,pointofthespearunits, whoknowwhatmakesagood fightingweaponandthose guysgenerallyallsaythatthe M16isntit.Quitesimply,ifit wasallthat,thenwhywould SOCOMhavebotheredwith theFNSCAR?
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Kristopher
02/07/2011at12:03pm

TheonlyotherrifleIcanthinkofthat usesgasimpingementistheFrench MAS49.

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Clint
02/07/2011at12:25pm

Ienjoyedthisarticlelongago,and againnowhoweverIdontseevalue insayingCrusadersaretheonlyARs whichfocusonwhatsinside.IMHO youwouldbebetteroffclaimingstatus amongotherpremiumqualitybrands likeColt,BCM,andNoveskeunless youaretweakingtheplatformala

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Mattitude
02/07/2011at12:50pm

Kristopher,youcanaddtheFN49, SwedeLjungman(sp.),Egyptian Hakim&RashidtothelistofDIrifles buttheyareallmidcenturydesigns. NothingwrongwithanARfor95%of theshootingpopulation,butforpeople whoslivesdependonitwellIwould thinktheyaretheexpertsonwhatis bestfortheminsteadofsomeone prettymuchdroppingwhateverinthier lapsandtellingthemtohaveatit. George,trustmewhenIsaythatI believeinCrusaderbutIjustdont wantthistoturnintoacontridictionor somethingthatisthrownupinyour faceandforcingyoutoexplain yourself.Ijustdontwanttoseethis affectCrusadersbusinessinanytype ofnegativeway.
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Mamba10
02/07/2011at3:55pm

NottheFN49unlessthey stuckthatoperatingrod/pistonin therejusttoaddweightorfill emptyspace.

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Kristopher
02/08/2011at12:58am

OKandtheothertwoare justLjungmanknockoffs. Soyouhavejusttwoother directimpingementrifles,a french,andaswede(+ copies),allofwhichwere abandonedafteradecade orso.

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Mattitude
02/07/2011at6:14pm

Okscratchthe49,yougotmeon thatone.
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Mister_V
02/07/2011at6:46pm

Amen.Iwentthroughbasictraining late2008andwasnotpleasedbywhat Isaw.Theriflesweweretrainedon weresocarbonfouledthattheyhadall butgivenuponkeepingthemclean. Theprocedureweweretaughtwasto dousetheinsidesinCLPandusethe threadsontheeyehookattachmentof thecleaningkittoscrapeasmuch

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carbonofftheboltaspossible,which wasntmuch.Itworksifyoukeepit clean?Thatsfineuntilyourealizethat acompleteGIcleaningkitisamythical creatureontheorderofbigfoot, exceptthatsomepeopleclaimtohave actuallyseenbigfoot.Myflighthadto mixandmatchtohavefunctionalkits forevenhalfofusandcleaning brushesworndowntoolivedrab tonguedepressorswerethenorm.I wouldhavenoconfidenceinthis weaponifIwereissuedoneand,inmy opinion,thesoonerwereplaceitthe better.
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JesseHenry
02/27/2011at3:38am

Igotoutofthearmyin1970.Thiswas wellknown,eventhen.Whatpolitics haskeptthethinggoingallthistime? IveforgottenthenumberssoIllmake themup:Inthelate60s,anAKcost about$40.00.AnM16cost$850.00. Whogotallthegraft?TheM16s persistencemusthaveapolitical explanation.Hasanybookattempted toexplainit?
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Ogre
02/27/2011at10:10am

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AnAKisalsoadirtsimplerifle designedtobemadewith simpletools.TheAR,notso much.Itscomplicatedand requiresspecialtoolingto manufacture.TheAmerican Wayistogowiththemore expensiveweaponsystem.

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Ted
06/30/2011at6:37am

DumptheM16!!!itshightimeitwent away.Therearemanyotherguns betterthanitforcheaper.Youshound neverhavetocleanaguneveryten mins,andthe16failsinthat.Ihavea ValmetM76,1000rdsinit,nocleaned yet,workswithreloads,anybullet type.

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Ogre
06/30/2011at5:15pm

IusedthinkthesamewayIn fact,IwrotetheWhyIhate theM16/AR15articlethat becamethebibleforAR Haters. Butyouknow,myCrusader tweakedRockRiverhasnever everjammedonme.And

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Ivenotcleaneditinover3000 roundsnotsinceSpringof 2010.

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deeg
08/24/2011at9:08pm

thankyou!ihaveusedthisarticleto winmanydebatesonthissubjectlol
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Sharp
09/06/2011at7:20am

IalsoownaRockRiverAR.Ivebeen lazylatelyandhaventproperly cleaneditinover1,000rounds.Never hasitjammed.Ishootmostlybudget rangeammo,too..AmreicanEagle, andevensomesteelcasedRussian stuff.

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HCross
09/18/2011at5:44pm

TellitlikeitisBrother.Imrightthere withyouandhavebeenforyears.My SHTFgunisanM14andifIneed somethingreallyaccurateIllusemy M24.

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SemperFi SSGTRet.
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BenLacasse
10/03/2011at1:02pm

Whenareyougonnawriteanarticle likethisabouttheM9
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Enzo
10/19/2011at10:16pm

IvebeensayingthissincemyArmy days.IloveithowARpeoplegetan ARandthensayIwentoutandshot 200roundsanddidnthaveanyjams. WTF?Didyouexpectsomejamsafter only200rounds?Ifitcantfire200 roundswithoutajamitisapieceof shit.

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David
09/20/2013at4:33pm

Iagreewithyouthedesignisflawed andtheyhavebeenissuingtheARfor waytoolongwithnosignificant alterations.OnethingIhaveheardis thattheORIGINAL5.56mmcartridge powderfortheARburnedveryclean andcreatedverylittlecarbonbuildup.

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ThenDuPontcameandmadea powderthatwascheaperbutburned poorlywithlotsofcarbonbuildup.Just somethingtothinkaboutasfaraswhy EugeneStonedesignedsomeofthe partsthewayhedid.Howeveraside fromthattherewerestilldesignflaws. Withsomanydifferentgunstochoose fromIthinkItstimetheMilitarylaythe ARaside.Likeyousaid [paraphrasing]adolledupARdoesnt doyougoodifitwontfire!
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Joe
11/22/2013at2:42am

AsacombatvetMarineInfantryman thathasfiredthousandsofrounds throughtheM16familyofweaponsI canhonestlysaythatIdisagreewith muchofwhatwaswritteninthisarticle. IknowforafactthatMarinesinWW2 hadtheirissuedweaponsjam.And yessodocurrentissuedFirearms. Theproblemismostlydueto: A.Badmagazines B.Badammo C.Wornoutsprings AnAKwiththeabove3listedfactors canandwilpjam.Iveseenit. Therearehoweverundoubtablybetter systems.TheARAK21,theTAR21and X95Tavorimmediatelycometomind. BeforeIdeployedwith1/5to AfghanistanImadesurethatallofmy fireteamsweaponshad:

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Goodmags,goodsprings,andnew extractors.Wedidfine.
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MadOgre
11/22/2013at8:47am

Yousoundlikeamuch youngerinfantrymanThe Platformhasimproved greatelyfromthetimethiswas firstwritten.Sincethattime wasahalfownerina companythatmadeAR15 typerifles.Inowownone particularARthathashada stellarrecordofreliability.
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