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http://www.instructables.com/id/High-Voltage-Multiplier/
Author:burningsuntech
Born in New Mexico on or about the time of the crashed alien ship near Roswell(changeling maybe?), I am a direct decendent of the Apache warrior Geronimo. I like bodybuilding, computers and high powered devices. Wow! An indian with an attitude.
Image Notes 1. Tap #3 High Voltage Output 2. Low Voltage Input. (If 6000 volts can be considered low voltage) 3. 12 Guage ground wire. 4. Tap #2 High Voltage Output 5. Tap #1 High Voltage Output 6. Ceramic High Voltage Doorknob Capacitors 7. HV03-12 12KV PIV High Voltage Diodes
Image Notes 1. Finished multiplier shown connected to OBT and with output connection at top. I chose to build a container for my supply multiplier.
Image Notes 1. This test was at 25,000 Volts or 50 percent setting on my supply. The bright blue white spark is evidence of high current and lots of ultraviolet rays.
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Image Notes 1. Tap #3 High Voltage Output 2. Low Voltage Input. (If 6000 volts can be considered low voltage) 3. 12 Guage ground wire. 4. Tap #2 High Voltage Output 5. Tap #1 High Voltage Output 6. Ceramic High Voltage Doorknob Capacitors 7. HV03-12 12KV PIV High Voltage Diodes
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NOTE: Only the voltage rating on the components is critical. The higher the rating, the higher the input voltage can be, resulting in a higher output voltage. The input limit on this design is 10KV (with safety margin built in). Ignition wire or coax cable with the shield removed may be substituted for high voltage wiring if need be.
Image Notes 1. Tap #3 High Voltage Output 2. Low Voltage Input. (If 6000 volts can be considered low voltage) 3. 12 Guage ground wire. 4. Tap #2 High Voltage Output 5. Tap #1 High Voltage Output 6. Ceramic High Voltage Doorknob Capacitors 7. HV03-12 12KV PIV High Voltage Diodes
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Image Notes 1. 3 of 7 binding posts shown. Insulation was added but not necessary.
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Image Notes 1. Ziploc container half full of Mineral Oil 2. Multiplier without leads. Add leads before sinking in oil and sealing.
Image Notes 1. Finished multiplier shown connected to OBT and with output connection at top. I chose to build a container for my supply multiplier.
Image Notes 1. This test was at 25,000 Volts or 50 percent setting on my supply. The bright blue white spark is evidence of high current and lots of ultraviolet rays.
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5. Do Not operate this device alone! Have an emergency person available when performing your experiments who is familiar with proper rescue procedures. DISCLAIMER By building and operating this device, you acknowledge that you understand the dangers improper operation can pose and you accept all risks associated with the operation of this device. You also acknowledge that I am not nor will be responsible for any death or dismemberment by this device whatsoever and that you assume all risk by the use of this device.
Image Notes 1. This test was at 25,000 Volts or 50 percent setting on my supply. The bright blue white spark is evidence of high current and lots of ultraviolet rays.
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jj.inc says:
You could try starting with voltage from a Old tube TV or Monitor
burningsuntech says:
Nov 29, 2010. 5:36 AM REPLY JJ.inc The output of the high voltage section of a tv or monitor is too high. Typically, they output from 25,000 to 50,000 volts in the microamp range. The current won't be a problem. But the design of my HVM is for low inputs up to 10,000 volts. The project would fail on the first try. To overcome the problem, you would need to change the values of the caps and diodes for it to withstand the much higher voltage of a tv or monitor output. Raving Apache
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jj.inc says:
Yea I figured as much thanks
bs1500 says:
burningsuntech, what's the best way to discharge the capacitors after use?
burningsuntech says:
bs1500 Short them to ground. RA
bs1500 says:
Nov 2, 2010. 6:00 PM REPLY burningsuntech, I have a 9030v, 30 ma neon sign transformer. I see the 20kv capacitors should be enough to handle the voltage, but the diodes may not be enough, particularly since the HV03-12 reverse voltage is 8400, possibly leading to a lot of smoke. I found some 15000v, .30 forward current, 100ns recovery time rectifiers (part number Z150UFG) at http://www.voltagemultipliers.com/html/selection_guide_hv_diodes.html. How do these look to build this for my transformer? Thanks! bs1500
burningsuntech says:
bs1500 Looks like they will work fine. Good luck RA
qazwsx755 says:
will a 10kv 23ma transformer work?
burningsuntech says:
Aug 27, 2010. 5:49 PM REPLY Good Question, Q. The voltages on all AC devices are usually shown as the R.M.S. (root mean square) of the actual Peak value of that voltage. Your 10,000 volts R.M.S. would be 14,100 volts peak-to-peak or just 12,293 volts peak. The average voltage (R.M.S.) is .707 of the peak voltage. We know that 10,000 volts is .707 of the peak or 70% of the peak voltage. That means that the peak is 30% more than the average or in this case about 13,000 volts. I need to know the peak figure so I can determine if the P.I.V (peak inverse voltage) of the diodes can withstand that high a voltage and in this case... They cannot!. The diodes have a PIV of 12,000 volts. If you put a peak voltage of 13,000 volts across these diodes, all you will get is lots of smoke and not much more. What I telling you is that the peak voltage of your transformer is higher that the PIV of the diodes by 1000 volts and you will destroy them. If you get diodes with a PIV of say 15,000 volts, then you will be safe using this transformer. The capacitors in this multiplier have a much higher rating and you dont need to worry about them until you reach 20,000 volts on the input. The diodes, however, have to be changed. RA
qazwsx755 says:
Aug 28, 2010. 3:03 PM REPLY So you're saying all I have to do to get my transformer working with your design is buy 15,000 volt diodes instead of 12,000 volt diodes?
burningsuntech says:
Aug 29, 2010. 6:38 AM REPLY Q. Yep. Thats about it. Something else to consider is how you are going to "pot" or cover the assembly to remove air and prevent breakdown from occurring. i have tried potting in epoxy, oil, and wax (parafin). Epoxy does not allow you to change anthing or to harvest components if you should decide to change the number of stages. Oil is hard to control and to prevent leakage you will need to pay attention to the seal on the container you put it in. That leave Parafin. This is what I am currently using and it seems to be the best of all worlds. Enjoy your build. Good Luck opening that stargate worm hole. RA. :)
jpoopdog says:
Aug 4, 2010. 5:50 PM REPLY hi, i would like to know how this could be modified to work with a 6 volt current to activate my 12v relay, and no there is no other posible way to get more voltage for me other than a voltage multiplier, so anyway what do i need to it will work on 6 volt?
burningsuntech says:
Aug 5, 2010. 4:59 AM REPLY jpoopdog First of all, I f we are talking about DC current, this cannot be used on DC and cannot be modified to do so. If we are talking about AC current or Pulsating DC current, then it's just a matter of choosing the number of stages needed for the amount of voltage required. This is nothing more than a voltage doubler 6 times over. So for 6 volts to be doubled to 12 volts you would need one stage to double it. Rather than take the time to design it for you, which I do not have, please look at the first section on theory and calculate the number of statges needed. I would use 1n4007 diodes and .01uf caps for a common application with small current requirements. good luck in your design. RA
jpoopdog says:
Aug 6, 2010. 12:46 AM REPLY its just that on every single voltage multipliers schematics ive ever seen , it always says ac in and ac out not dc in or dc out. plus youve just said that this cannot be used on dc, why? so this means a battery cant be used on the voltage multiplier? youve confused me a bit and the theory makes no sense to me either
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burningsuntech says:
Here is a link that will explain it better: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cockcroft%E2%80%93Walton_generator
You have to know that this is a PASSIVE device. There are no active components in it that cause a change in the voltage like a transistor or voltage amplifier would. It depends on the input to do the switching for it; that is, supply a changing voltage to cause the device to work. DC does not change, therefore this device will not work on pure DC. However, pulsating DC does change and therefore this device will work on pulsating DC as well as AC. The output of a battery is pure DC. It will not make this device work. Thats why I keep saying that the input can be AC or pulsating DC. RA
savish05 says:
Jun 29, 2010. 7:26 AM REPLY hi Thanks for the project.I was wondering,Does the value of the capacitor really matter can i use 680pf .I cant find a 470pf. Thanks
burningsuntech says:
Jun 30, 2010. 4:28 AM REPLY savish05 Nope. Not really. Only if you want to keep loading to a minimum. If you are going directly from mains to this device, consider using diodes designed for mains like the 1N4007 instead of the Microwave oven diodes. The high PIV of the MO diodes will make this work incorrectly if used directly to Mains. Good Luck on your build. RA
andyouthoughtyouwereevil says:
Jun 9, 2010. 7:02 AM REPLY If i use a battery (1.5v - 9 v) with a 5nF cap in series will it produce enough output to power a marxs generator? Will i still need to insulate it with mineral oil ?
burningsuntech says:
AYTYWEvil You can bury it in wax. Works well for smaller voltages. RA
burningsuntech says:
Jun 10, 2010. 2:55 PM REPLY AYTYWEvil First of all, this device is NOT a DC device. It will not work off a 9 volt battery. And neither will a Marx Generator. Both of these devices will only work off of AC or Pulsating DC, not straight DC. Secondly, This device as I have designed it works best at 6000 Volts AC. Thats a far cry from 9 volts. To use this at 9 volts, you would have to build a pulsating 9 volt AC source that produces either a sine wave or squarewave output that varies above and below zero volts. You would also scale down the PIV values of the diodes and the Maximum value of the caps to more closely match the voltage you are working with. Hope this helps. Good Luck with your project. RA May 18, 2010. 10:04 AM REPLY
jonrb says:
Great instructable! Just a few things: 1. Would a disposable camera flash be a good input (minus the capacitor) 2. what is the output like
burningsuntech says:
May 24, 2010. 5:26 PM REPLY Hi Jon Thanks. The flash camera oscillator would work but there is a problem with the amount of current that it produces as well as with the frequency it operates at. You would need to modify this multiplier by changing the caps to .01 mfd @ 10Kv and the diodes should be IN4007 which have a PIV of 1000 Volts. The multiplier shown is for 60 Hz while the flash camera oscillator is around 15 Khz. That is a big difference and needs to be compensated for. So leaving off the cap is a good idea. Btw - This device requires either AC or Pulsating DC to work. It will not work by pumping a voltage spike through it. For output characteristics, go here: http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_3/chpt_3/8.html RA
manicmonday says:
I think you might want to double check your equation. There seems to be a problem with it. I started with 125vac, and made a 6 stage multiplier. (2 * 125) *6 * 1.414 = 2121 When I tested it I got 467vdc. Or does that equation only work with the same components that you used?
When you get into your higher voltages, is there is there a way to check that voltage, instead of having to depend only on a math equation? Thanks
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burningsuntech says:
Manic Sorry for the late reply. A partial explanation of the CW multiplier can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cockcroft%E2%80%93Walton_generator . A stage consists of two caps and two diodes. Therefore you would have 12 caps and diodes in your network.
Also, the lower the voltage, the higher the value of the caps in order to offset the impedance of the network at 60 Hz . Alternatively, you can raise the frequency of your input to compensate for the impedance. As far as being able to measure the output of higher voltages, thats not possible without a high voltage probe or a bank of high voltage resistors calculated so you can use Ohm's Law to figure a more accurate reading. Otherwise, math will have to do. BTW - the output of this device is pulsating DC, therefore your meter will only read effective voltage, not peak voltage as the formula implies. Thanks for the post. RA
serith says:
Nov 28, 2009. 6:04 AM REPLY I want to run a similar circuit off of an external battery supply. How do I pulse the current like the schematic says to be able to use a DC input and still get a solid DC output? Nov 13, 2009. 7:05 PM REPLY
pankaj83 says:
Hi,
I have a question - While operating a pulsed load (frequency around 5 kHz) at the output, I can hear strong acoustic noise. I have molded the entire stuff with Silicon molding - so the noise definitely is not from component vibration. There seems to be some other reason. Can you please advise me on this. By the way, you can either leave your comment here or mail me on pankaj_ag_iitk@hotmail.com Best Regards. Pankaj
burningsuntech says:
pankaj83 If you are familiar with plasma speakers, what you are hearing is what is called the a "singing arc". Here is a link to wikipedia on the subject. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singing_arc Another posibility is that you have an air bubble in your multiplier and the arc is playing from that. Good luck in discovering the cause. Many an invention has been created by accident. Raving Apache
vivdal says:
Sep 21, 2009. 4:34 PM REPLY Dear sir, Please explain the Alternating Current source you are using to power it and what is the optimum frequency for this type of Multiplier given the values of the capacitors used. I am currently trying to construct a high frequency inverter for this.. Thank you Vivian
burningsuntech says:
vivdal
It would be easier to point you to a tutorial on the string of half wave voltage doublers known as CocKroft Walton Multipliers. http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_3/chpt_3/8.html will point you in the right direction for the theory. As for the OBT it is a 60 Cycle AC transformer so the primary frequency is 60 Hz. As for the caps values, the chosen value has more to do with the ripple in the output than it does "the operating frequency". You can design this type of multiplier for any given frequency within the confines of the source voltage frequency but there are upper limits. RA
UbuntuNinja says:
This multiplier as shown runs off of 60Hz right?
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burningsuntech says:
UN This multiplier has been designed to work with 50 or 60 cycles AC or Pulsating DC. No special requirements. RA
UbuntuNinja says:
Oct 12, 2009. 7:26 AM REPLY Thanks, does the multiplier have a fairly stable output or is there a lot of ripples in the output voltage (I think due to capacitive reactance)?
burningsuntech says:
UN The higher the voltage, the more ripple. This is typical of a halfwave device like this one. RA
hansg says:
I found some 20kv diodes on ebay, but they're only rated for 10mA. Would they survive in this application?
kikiclint says:
Aug 14, 2009. 10:04 AM REPLY I suppose that depends on how much you step up the voltage. More voltage = less amperage. You will have to do the power conversions from the power your transformer gives out to solve for the voltage and the amps. Pretty simple calculations.
kikiclint says:
Aug 30, 2009. 5:43 PM REPLY then again, dealing with capacitors, if they build up a charge, and then suddenly discharge, there could be a good amount of current for a short amount of time going through the diodes.
Derin says:
no
Plasmana says:
May 7, 2008. 2:03 PM REPLY Were can I find an oil burner transformer?!? Do you know any website that sells oil burner transformers?!? I know that ebay sometimes sell those things, but I cannot use ebay because I am too young (15 years old).
kikiclint says:
If you find places with broken neon light signs, they usually have a pretty large transformer on them.
burningsuntech says:
May 7, 2008. 5:18 PM REPLY HV2K Have your rent call a local fuel oil or burner service company and ask for the service manager and tell em you are working on a project. Do they have any old working OBT's. Also google "6Kv 20Ma transformer" and your local postal code for parts supply houses. Be resourceful. Half the fun of building is the scavenger hunt. raving apache
pos3idon says:
Will this OBT work? http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/items/2E509 thanks for the help!! :-)
Plasmana says:
OK, I will try look there, thank you burningsuntech!
imgod22222 says:
Oct 23, 2008. 5:53 PM REPLY Okay, being completely self-taught in all things electrical, I am very big on safety, very moderate on how-to, very noobish on "how to make sure it will work". So: How is current effected by a voltage multiplier? Ex) If I got a 3-prong 120VAC @ Lowe's or something, and hooked up a voltage multiplier as you described, what current output should I be expecting? Also: Should all the components be properly rated for the input voltage (120V) or the output voltage (20+kV)? [I'm guessing output voltage because higher in the chain, each component's input is increasing] More capacitance (uF) = faster discharge rate. Is there any formula or approximation for this? If I want to make a good old-fashioned jacob's ladder, I need (-) or (+), and does it need a fast discharge rate?
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kikiclint says:
Aug 14, 2009. 9:55 AM REPLY I made one out of a 9000 vac neon light transformer without multiplying. It worked pretty good, and had a maximum spark gap of about an inch. I am tempted to step it up now and give it a wider gap.
Shawn_nwahS says:
May 26, 2009. 3:22 PM REPLY HV Newb here and I've been out of EE for quite a while, I'm having trouble understanding what is obviously a simple circuit. I've tried a 2 stage villard multiplier with, - 2, 1500 v, .0027uf caps along with 4, 1n 4003 diodes. Hooked it up to the output of a driver circuit for the light tube in a photo scanner. It's output is 240v. After the first stage of the multiplier I got well over 300v, after the second stage I got about 10 volts less than what was on the first stage. Probably, the original circuit simply can't put out enough current to keep more and more stages going? I've built a generator some time ago that puts out about 60,000v from 2 ignition coils. Maximum, self-generated (no pulling) arc is 1/2 to 3/4 inch under perfect circumstances. I want longer and longer arcs, for the next circuit, at least double that. My questions, - Do I need a support circuit or AC to pulse the villard multiplier? I feel like a 555 based circuit may do that. - Is it simple enough to hook straight, or nearly straight to 120v AC and get arcs that way? - Is there anything simple that can amplify my existing generator's voltage? - Can anyone give out a schematic for something that would drive 1 or 2 ignition coils to get longer arcs than 3/4 inch? Feb 11, 2009. 10:07 PM REPLY waits so why does it multiply with that formula on plasmanas lower voltage one of these it each stage just adds the peak voltage of the input and on the picture of your supply at 25kv how long is that spark i cant really tell how big that thing is nice instructable though
burningsuntech says:
Feb 15, 2009. 11:58 AM REPLY Doctor Who Each stage is a voltage doubler separated by a diode that allows all the caps to charge in parallel on one half cycle of the input (AC or Pulsed DC) and then discharge in series on the negative half cycle thereby adding the total stored charges of all the caps together and multiplying the input voltage to the desired output. As far as the spark length, I didn't want to test that just in case something goes boom and destroys all my work. It was about 3/8 inch. raving apache
WastelandMan says:
Dec 18, 2008. 5:06 PM REPLY Awesome! Hey I live in NM too! great state! anyway if I was going to use this to charge a capacitor with a spark gap would it be wise to put a bridge rectifier in between the large cap and the multiplier? or would the pulsed DC already be rectified at the end of the multiplier? Thanks for the great instructible! to be clear: lowvoltage source -> villard multiplier -> ?full wave bridge recifier? -> Large capacitor -> Spark gap
burningsuntech says:
Dec 27, 2008. 10:41 AM REPLY Hey fellow desert rat a bridge rectifier is not required. The output is already DC. BTW your cap should be rated at 50KV or greater or else ... BOOM! raving apache
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