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"I have traveled across the length and breadth of India and I have not seen
one person who is a beggar, who is a thief, such wealth I have seen in this
country, such high moral values, people of such caliber, that I do not think
we would ever conquer this country, unless we break the very backbone of
this nation, which is her spiritual and cultural heritage, and, therefore, I
propose that we replace her old and ancient education system, her culture,
for if the Indians think that all that is foreign and English is good and greater
than their own, they will lose their self esteem, their native culture and they
will become what we want them, a truly dominated nation".
Yup, these British have really bad attitudes when they mess with other
people's countries. Being my country(Greece) also a victim of these
attitudes, we have made equivalent myths too, like that here famous
Kissingers one:
“The Greek people are anarchic and difficult to tame. For this reason we must
strike deep into their cultural roots: perhaps then we can force them to
conform. I mean, of course, to strike at their language, their religion, their
cultural and historical reserves, so that we can neutralize their ability to
develop, to distinguish themselves, or to prevail; thereby removing them as
an obstacle to our strategically vital plans in the Balkans, the Mediterranean,
and the Middle East"
Tamil, I don't now if your quote was really true(it may was), but, afterall, its
your(indians) responsibility if the Britains made your country another colony
of them. Its yours responsibility to build defences, and by defences I mean
politcal conscience. British just do their job, they wouldnt have hundreds of
colonies if they did it wrong.
The ancient Hindu culture failed to "protect" itself largely because it lacked
guns. That it harbored human failings that could be exploited by a maximum
of cunning and ill will goes without saying. The fact remains, "the East bowed
before the West in deep and patient disdain," with very good reason.
Unfortunately, now tht it has lost its traditional mentality, and has become
another "third world" area, those in the "first world" can smugly wallow in a
sense of superiority, all the more so in that we can witness the pitiful sight
of India and other Asian countries trying to "develop" like the West. How
wonderful it will be when everybody thinks and acts like a proletarian
European or a yokel from Texas or Indiana, and the landscape is uniformly
one of malls and franchises from one end of the earth to the other: "for if the
Indians think that all that is foreign and English is good and greater than
their own, they will lose their self esteem, their native culture and they will
become what we want them, a truly dominated nation."
Anon #2:
The ancient Hindu culture failed to "protect" itself largely because it lacked
gunsQuotes like this make me both angry and sad. Angry, because being so
simplistic, because it incorporates such a deeply flawed reading military of
(what the Honourable W. would call as) strategery in general, and sad,
because it is next to impossible to convince people that it is so.
"Guns" here obviously was shorthand for technological superiority. The West
had machinery and outgunned their enemies, the East did not. That did
largely account for their military victories. The rapid colonization of the world
by the Europeans is largely a phenomenon of a technolgically more
developed people militarily overcoming technologically weaker ones. What do
you think the chief factor was? At any rate, the colonization by the
Europeans does not form part of Indian medieval history, but of modern
Indian history. Unfortunately, the average man is such that he is awed by
material superiority, and takes it for essential superiority. A man in a
business suit getting out of a jet plane strikes him as intrinsically superior to
a the Jagadguru in his dhoti. That is a true tragedy, because it is an almost
invincible spiritual blindness--clearly foretold in the Puranas.
I like the deep, scientific reasoning behind your analysis. meanwhile, a few
words on how we Indians should protect the dying art of eating dosas as
well?
Anyway it's true I only know very very few things about indian history.
supposedly macaulay never said this. he was in india in 1835. for detailed
info about why this is a hoax quote go to
http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/articles/hinduism/macaulay.html
also he must have been blind to say he never saw a beggar or a thief
considering that the famous gang of 'thugs' ran amok in central india.
How do you know that statement above were Lord Macaulay’s address to the
British Parliament in 2 February, 1835. Do you have any sources to prove
this comment? If you do please advise.....
Article 345: This gives the State govt., power to decide its own "OFFICIAL
LANGUAGE"
http://www.astro.virginia.edu/~sk4zw/india-const/p17345.html
Article 343: This defines hindi and english to be the "OFFICIAL LANGUAGES"
of union govt.
http://www.astro.virginia.edu/~sk4zw/india-const/p17343.html
DIFFERENCE:
NATIONAL LANGUAGE: defines the people of the nation, culture, history.
OFFICIAL LANGUAGE: used for official communication While a National
language by default can become the Official langauge, an Official language
has to be APPROVED legally to become the National language.
I mean, at the end of the day, nothing is set in stone - I'd rather have a shot
at interacting easily with the rest of the world at the expense of annoying our
"cultural elite" than not.
*shakes head*
The greatest enemy for India, as with any other country, is its
introversion.that is hardly any excuse. it's not that they occupied countries, if
they meant to develop them and provide peace and security for those people
and maybe explore their culture, that would have been fine. a ruler is a ruler.
but being motivated by a need to break a people's spirit just for domination
and subjugation is what is appalling. (all this assuming there is some truth to
the quote in question - it might, like you said, be an urban myth - but the
evidence to the contrary is quite apparent)
It's not an excuse, its a fact. The development comes with an exchange,
is not a charity of course!What was the progress of India after its
independence? There wasnt any! Only the last years india has started gaining
potential for development.
This is a hoax. Indologist Koenraad Elst had written a nice peace on this: A
dubious quotation, a controversial reputation: the merits of Lord Macaulay .
Lord Macaulay never said or wrote anything like that.
Just read the Mahabaratha and Ramyana as the history speaks for itself and
read the Srimad Bhagavatam as the past, present and future is already
predicted”
Hey.. whether the "Lord..." statement is true or not.. the main thing is that,
even though after being ruled by couple of communities/kings/Britishers for
hundreds/thousands years, IT IS WORTH NOTING THAT: Every time we were
able to break the bonds of slavery & Now we represent one the biggest
democracies of the world.
Though there are still flaws in our country, but everyone has it... but the
great thing is that We are going towards development like anything. All we
have to do is stick to our moral values & nobody/ no country in the whole
world can rule us, that way.
A question to All of you who have posted here... ? could you tell me the map
of so called Bharat in 1835? I have been a student of Indian History and can
say that what we call as OUR India today or Hindustan was non existent.
You had diverse states all ruled by independent monarchs - whether it be the
Wonderful Rani of Jhansi ( I belong to her land) or Tantya Tope Or the
Kingdom of Mysore or the Old Bahadursha Zafar - or for that matter the
traitors Scindia, all rules their respective pieces of land, and the unity. I am
not sure The Map of India as we know today or even before partition was
what the British Rule gave us. So before being proud of India and criticising
British please realise that the British rule also gave us unity - because that
was the ONLY time when we Indians rose as one against the Rule. The India
that was in 1947 is already standing on the brink of falling apart. the states
are in chaos, and all the Central government has done is break states into
smaller states thereby creating smaller factions.
Before we criticise the Brits for their rule tell me what did the Mughals gave
India? or for that Matter what have the Hindus done for India. I am proud to
be a Hindu and I know that probably my ancestors went through a bad time
during the Muslim rule of the country to retain their faith.
But the fact is what the Brits did to India in about 70 odd years of their rule ,
we have not been able to undo in 60 years of Independence. Look back over
the past 60 years and tell me what has been done to improve our cultural
heritage and history? Nothing. We still run on the rail Infrastructure laid by
the Brits, and some of the most well planned cities were developed by the
Brits ( Bangalore and Chennai for Example which have both gone to the
dogs) . It is really nice to be anonymous and criticise the whole world and its
ancestors for destroying India, but I strongly believe that this is India. It is
the people who build it and develop it.
That is a long diatribe , but in nutshell it is the people who make or break a
nation , the power is in their hands and rulers can always be removed if
there is will enough to do it. For a land which has been a slave for the last
almost 1000 years , that mentality has seeped in and I doubt if much can be
changes. There is so much of in fighting within state wamongst politicians
that it is frustrating ! and the nation is almost at the same state where the
Brits found it... breaking up and ready to be conquered again...
Yes and I am a couch critic too that's all that I have learnt being an Indian...
But I am proud of my nations heritage and culture, but am too busy earning
money and following the west ( I speak English too as I need to interact with
my British and American bosses for my fat salary) to really spend time in
saving the country. Aren't you all?
Much more than you think. (I was asked to pay 700Rs to visit Taj!)
"But the fact is what the Brits did to India in about 70 odd years of their rule"
"Look back over the past 60 years and tell me what has been done to
improve our cultural heritage and history?"
For all the folks that started talking bout British bringing peace to India by
colonizing it?!?..
Also to the guy above talking bout India. It doesn't matter what you read or
whose land you come from.
Just because you came from the birth place of someone who died for our
country doesn't make you anything.
Especially when you are talking bullshit bout your own country and doing the
exact opposite to what they did. I don't give a shit what your opinion bout
India is even if you are an Indian. Talk about your country when you do
something for it or else stfu and earn your money. the British: Quit wasting
your time trying to read Indian blogs and reasoning with us when we drove
you out of our country decades ago. Kthnxbye.