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MEMORANDUMFO~THERECORD
Event: Interview ofFBl Special Agent ... I ...
All ~ INFORMATION CONTA,~~ .
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Type of event: Interview
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Dates: November 6,2003 OM. ~

Special Access Issues: None

Prepared by: Michael Jacobson ...::.y;/9/11 Law Enforcement Privacy

Team Number: 1A ",<,<~,</

Location: FBI, Newark Field 'Office" ':':,<>:~,::,/

Participants - Non-COmmi$sioD:':Assis~nt General Counsel Bob Sinton

Participants - Commissi~n:)6hn'Ta:mm, Dieter Snell, Michael Jacobson

, ''''''as th,~:~as7:~~e~t on the investigation of th~,.....----:-...,._ ....._ .....

backgroundf ~tat~~l't~,at there are 4 members of the e.xtende

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[ami! who have come across his radar. They are: ,
~re brothers, and are cousins 0 The primary person of in:t"er-e-st'"
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.....e-en.... -- .....---/ .... ~'e was the case agent! on this investigation, untiJ,Owas
picked up on a materia :'wltn~ss warrant. At that point, the investigation was/transferred
to NY (presumably t~e'PE,NTrBOM team). : ! / / ,',/ ...
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," I~~es,~ot believe tha~ "Hs "inYolvid" with the hjiack~[jj /II,]~
does, ?ot think that h~ ,~a~any c'~nnection to them.: He, ~nJi¥e the/other :~ ~n
question, was never l,n Germany', \ i j ........
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I leXPlaine~ howhe came across th~' j . linthe~rst place. He

was aSSIgned to cover Hani Hanjour's activities duririg.histime' in th¢ Newark area. He
found a lead in the case that hadn't been covered; tr~e!le~d stated ¢'~tthe hijackers has
been seen at a Golds Gym and a'~a gas station in ~~e N:ew/Jer~ey ale,a. The Golds Gym
lead had been corroborated, but noone ..went out to ~hkjgas st~tion·/'..I1e went and
interviewed one of the owners of the station. He gpt! t~e ;rtarPe ~~'~/theother owner as
well, which turned out to bel· I:. ~~ ;ih~n ~ou1J,~/thatthe number for the
Exxon station and I 160me n~ttP~~r ~a~ibe,¢~ found in a search ~fCJ
I ~ment in Germany. On th~ p~ece of\P~~~r I ny·xt.-::i:¢ the~ers wasthe
name 'b,~
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,During subsequent inves.!ig:~tion, fotP19 ~:B-t tha~L-...Jh~,d"his cousins
living with him 'in.New Jersey. He interV:.~e~edl IW,~6 talked about.his cousins,
and mentioned that theyhad been in Germany. \\: ii f !.::(/,
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,,X lalso found out thatl./:ll!~n~~*~
went ahead an arreste4
overstays in the U.S. INS
l:TheY,v,;¥r¢c'taK#i\tci:lIdetention facility, and
toen£ fiJi sHirt ~p~~ research
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'\"" :~ , ~econtacted Berlin, and as~ed on these two
\;bmth¢~ I I ~as in tOUCh¥lit~u ,/J:'i iff,

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, he niov~C~~~!~i~~rnia. /tt~{I~:~]~e;x
originally requested th~t ne e a ,qw,e'd Jb gp')n~e'rYie' \\ ':, "'::mself,'''t;mtwas told no due
to financial considerations. LI\'-\,y'e~t ~hea¢/~n4 !irl~~rvieYv~q \~\\ and-he denied
e~~ytJ)ing. They di9tC?py .hi~phpn~;bOO,~!('ier~sti:g~, h,e ~d:~ email address ~f
111 ht33 hotmal!. O,tn In hIS' address book/ !i !! i ',ari\thls~\and found out that It was
io.-_ ..... 'c,¢ount.f ,/ ¥vas:~9'bt :~~rP~m er'\of\~he Q~~A.ranygroup, and was
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associated with Ziad Jarrah. // /

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·'I~s.6s~~t~at tht~re ofueJ Interesting "eonn~~Qns. During a

s~arYhf'of Motassadeq 's apartnrent, tJfe,y:ifo~rp a/i¥ece of paper, wit'f\ a,~,address 'i.~
German and' .:" written' orj!i~. They ran::iheaddres.s and it came
back :t ' who ,are!also cousihS df the dthe' "
, He/vias able to confirm through i! hat "\.\, .\, ,were their\,\""",
cousins. ,/,/ ,f ,/ ' ........... - ....... -~-.-

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~/had/th~/ilumbef for an:iipdi~i;~uaL:l-n-a-m-e~di-~\
f p10ne ~u~ber was in/cop:tact wi~hl i lllu~~foUS times prior\tp 9/11. \" and
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~~mber in their cell phones. . Ih~:s sent a\~equest to A
! Germany to have him.interviewed, but he do~s~:'i think that this has happened,

/ j I /A number of the leads-that he sent ~dUJrmany have not been completed by the
! !Germans. J'h some cases, they couldnltfind t~~people, or the interviews w~:~ld have
i ! !interfered ,:with their prosecutions. j/ !! i \. \ \, \.

.'i' // As a side note, all ~fth~ /~ n(With the exception has ties to . 0\1' •
, " the Al-Noot-rnosque. He ~ssymed trat the f\'1qsque was in hamburg, but he's ~bt sure.

i'· After learning ofs6me of these additional connections

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approval to travel to ~A,/t6 intervi~wDhi~selJ.. IS n9t sure wher~ .. _.-....
: :u .was living in LA. lhis/timeDconceded thathe recogmze a picture of'binalshib, He
! !!/ :/ said .rhough thathe only knew him from the'mosque (al-Qods and one other mosque in
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,flapl burg). l;{e'had also foundoutthaj l.vorked at Hay Computers in Hambu~g at
i /// ,"":/t~e same time as binaishib an~t.two of the other hijackers' associates. Ddenied\" ...
th...a....
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!!!! / " he worked there. At,/thi~.poi:6tJ lasked for a material witness warrant fori.. _---I
!IF i, :/He gotit, and~~ftr(fnsferred from INS custody (where he was at the time) to the
" Southern Districrb1New York.
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. Afte~as
In a proffer sesslOILI
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picked u: ;~~~Mii:t"':'itw~~l1t,tl1e
Iwas 10 on the interview, as was]
FBI interviewed him again'
I from
This time he admitted knowing "of' binalshib, and working at Hays
Computer, but that was it. A jtl!e thr let him out, and he voluntarily departed to
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Jordan on September 3\ 2003. was deported for Jordan, though he has since come
'" back to Canada, and] (departed the US as well. He's not sure whether they are on
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the Watchlist or not, but 'l)oted that they were deported, and that accordingly they should
.not be able to return to the...U.S,:· ~

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~as "de finite involved."! land his cousins all said that he left New
Jersey for California in July ~OOl:- There are no phone links betweenc:::Jind the
hijackers. There.is a witness who.says that he saw the hiiackers at a gas station in Little
Falls.New Jersey'. This is the same gas s1:ation'\tha rained at./ The owner of this
was also the-owner of the si~tion wper
station ..... an the othe~ . lended up
workinf" (the staton owned b . The co-owner/Of both stations is
named"" . .who was Jewish 'and convertedito I~lami D~,~s
had "problems" in
. the past, and wouldn't necessarily be the most reliable witness .. /!

1\' kls~~or~e~ at the station With the! iii :1' Th~ \finally
admitted that '~hey k~ewf ,.but. si!id tl\at they ididij't associate with hin:" With
regard td '" I~~ tlh~s t~at. ~!ougptL to the gas station for

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possible employment ·.6~"ori·e ..occ~sid~. \T~eY\Ahor.re~ IPhotograph to the
people at the station, but-they-said ...that, th~y' didn't re90gniz~Jlim':

The witness.who s:J{4~hij~<;kersi\

the gas station and a\
the Gb~~/GY£
al;o said that he saw them at
a BostonMarket.. A~'4\sd,4s~~4!~~O\f¥, ~e witness's story was
anq
'tQe"'ga'~
'~i~ffp~i)~ #eaf/b9th the gym and the Boston
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corroborated for the GoldGym,
market. \\ .i:\\:\:\ \~iii! I, ii
As a final matter~1 Isaf2L~~'~'~,·"~'~.,,~~~i#qff'un
across any Saudi
connections in his investigatIOns of the hija~~;~~~.;'he'ir associates.

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