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First Interview o Dr! "nderson [Interview #] By Anne What follows is a session I recorded of Dr. Anderson [Neruda] on December 27, !!7. "e #a$e %ermission for me to record his answers to my &uestions. 'his was the first of fi$e inter$iews that I was able to ta%e(record before he left or disa%%eared. I ha$e %reser$ed these transcri%ts %recisely as they occurred. No editin# was %erformed, and I)$e tried my best to include the e*act words and #rammar used by Dr. Anderson [Neruda]. "nne: +Are you comfortable,+ Dr! "nderson: +-es, yes, I)m fine and ready to be#in when you are.+ "nne: +-ou)$e made some remar.able claims with res%ect to the Ancient Arrow %ro/ect. 0an you %lease recount what your in$ol$ement in this %ro/ect was and why you chose to lea$e it of your own freewill,+ Dr! "nderson: +I was selected to %artici%ate in the decodin# and translation of the symbol %ictures found at the site. I ha$e a .nown e*%ertise in lan#ua#es and ancient te*ts. I am able to s%ea. o$er 12 [thirty] different lan#ua#es fluently and another 2 [twel$e] or so lan#ua#es that are officially e*tinct. Because of my s.ills in lin#uistics and my abilities to decode symbol %ictures li.e %etro#ly%hs or hiero#ly%hs, I was chosen for this tas.. +I had been in$ol$ed in the Ancient Arrow %ro/ect from its $ery ince%tion, when the A0I3 too. o$er the %ro/ect from the N4A. I was initially in$ol$ed in the site disco$ery and its restoration alon# with a team of 7 other scientists from the A0I3. We restored each of the 21 [twenty( three] chambers of the Win#5a.ers) time ca%sule and catalo#ed all of their attendant artifacts. +As the restoration was com%leted, I became increasin#ly focused on decodin# their %eculiar lan#ua#e and desi#nin# the translation inde*es to 6n#lish. It was a %articularly $e*in# %rocess because an o%tical disc was found in the 21rd [twenty(third] chamber and it was im%re#nable to our technolo#ies. We assumed that the o%tical disc held most of the information that the Win#5a.ers desired us to .now about them. "owe$er, we couldn)t fi#ure out how to a%%ly the symbol %ictures found in their chamber %aintin#s to unloc. the disc. +I decided to lea$e the %ro/ect after I was successful in deducin# the access code for the o%tical disc [, and felt that the A0I3 was #oin# to %re$ent the %ublic from accessin# the information

contained within the Ancient Arrow site. 'here were other reasons, but it)s too com%licated to e*%lain in a concise res%onse.+]. 4hortly thereafter I became aware of what I can only describe as the %resence of the Win#5a.ers. I felt as thou#h they were $isitin# me . . . e$en assistin# me in my wor. . . . + [4arah7 +What did 8ifteen do when he found out you were lea$in#,+ Dr. Neruda7 +"e ne$er had a chance to res%ond directly to me because I left without a word. But I)m certain that he)s an#ry and feels betrayed.+] "nne: +When you say )$isitin# you), what e$idence did you ha$e that the Win#5a.ers mi#ht be $isitin# you,+ Dr! "nderson: +I was s%endin# 72 hours %er wee. wor.in# on the decodin# formulas for the symbol %ictures, and this went on for about 9 months. Durin# this time I tried e$ery concei$able combination to create an access code to the o%tical disc. I was con$inced it was the only way to o%en it. I was also con$inced that it was %ur%osely made to be difficult, at least to our %resent( day brains. It was almost as thou#h the stru##le to decode their lan#ua#e was e*ercisin# a %art of my brain or ner$ous system that was enablin# me to communicate with them. +I be#an to hear them s%ea.in# to me. It be#an as a word or two . . . then a sentence . . . maybe /ust once a day. It didn)t ma.e much sense . . . what I heard. But then one day I was wor.in# on a chamber %aintin# and I saw somethin# mo$e in the %aintin#. 3ne of the symbols mo$ed and it was absolutely not an illusion or tric. of the li#ht. 'hen I reali:ed that the Win#5a.ers could interact with me, that they were time tra$elin# to my time and that somehow their %aintin#s were actually %ortals in which they mo$ed throu#h time. +It was then I be#an to hear their instructions, or more %recisely, their thou#hts. I was #i$en mental ima#es on how to use the 4umerian lan#ua#e to decode their own symbol %ictures. I thou#ht I was %ossibly #oin# cra:y. I felt li.e my mind was %layin# tric.s on me . . . that I was wor.in# too hard and needed to ta.e a holiday, but I listened to the $oices because it seemed %lausible what I was bein# instructed to do. When I finished with the access code and it wor.ed, I .new then that I was indeed communicatin# with them. "nne: +Did you tell anyone, I mean about the fact that you were communicatin# with the Win#5a.ers,+ Dr! "nderson: +I .e%t it a secret. I wasn)t sure how I would be able to e*%lain the %henomenon and I didn)t want to arouse sus%icions, so I went about my business and be#an de$elo%in# the translation inde*es for the 9, 2 %a#es of te*t that was disco$ered within the o%tical disc. It was essential that we had a letter(for(letter inde* in order to retain the meanin# of their lan#ua#e . . . we called this translation #ranularity. And as I started the %rocess of translatin# the o%tical disc, I be#an to see fra#ment ima#es of the Win#5a.ers . . . sort of li.e a holo#ra%hic ima#e that would a%%ear and then disa%%ear in a matter of seconds.

+'hey $isited me a total of three times (( always in my home at ni#ht (( and told me that I had been selected to be their liaison or s%o.es%erson. 3f course I as.ed them why me and not 8ifteen, and they said that 8ifteen was unable to s%ea. for them because he was already the %awn of the 0orteum.+ "nne: +'ell me about 8ifteen. What is he li.e,+ Dr! "nderson: +8ifteen is a #enius of un%aralleled intelli#ence and .nowled#e. "e)s the leader of the ;abyrinth <rou% and has been since its ince%tion in !=1. "e was only 22 [twenty(two] years old when he /oined the A0I3 in !>=. I thin. he was disco$ered early enou#h before he had a chance to establish a re%utation in academic circles. "e was a rene#ade #enius who wanted to build com%uters that would be %owerful enou#h to time tra$el. 0an you ima#ine how a #oal li.e that (( in the mid( !>2s (( must ha$e sounded to his %rofessors, +Needless to say, he was not ta.en seriously, and was essentially told to #et in line with academic %rotocols and %erform serious research. 8ifteen came to the A0I3 throu#h an alliance it had with Bell ;abs. 4omehow Bell ;abs heard about his #enius and hired him, but he &uic.ly out(%aced their research a#enda and wanted to a%%ly his $ision of time tra$el.+ "nne: +Why was he so interested in time tra$el,+ Dr! "nderson: +No one is absolutely sure. And his reasons may ha$e chan#ed o$er time. 'he acce%ted %ur%ose was to de$elo% Blan. 4late 'echnolo#y or B4'. B4' is a form of time tra$el that enables the re(write of history at what are called inter$ention %oints. Inter$ention %oints are the causal ener#y centers that create a ma/or e$ent li.e the brea.(u% of the 4o$iet ?nion or the NA4A s%ace %ro#ram. +B4' is the most ad$anced technolo#y and clearly anyone who is in %ossession of B4', can defend themsel$es a#ainst any a##ressor. It is, as 8ifteen was fond of sayin#, the freedom .ey. @emember that the A0I3 was the %rimary interface with e*traterrestrial technolo#ies and how to ada%t them into mainstream society as well as military a%%lications. We were e*%osed to 6's and .new of their a#enda. 4ome of these 6's scared the hell out of the A0I3.+ "nne: +Why,+ Dr! "nderson: +'here were a#reements between our #o$ernment (( s%ecifically the N4A (( to coo%erate with an 6' s%ecies commonly called the <reys in e*chan#e for their coo%eration to stay hidden and conduct their biolo#ical e*%eriments under the cloa. of secrecy. 'here was also a bun#led technolo#y transfer %ro#ram, but that)s another story . . . [((] "owe$er, not all the <reys were o%eratin# within a unified a#enda. 'here were certain #rou%s of <reys that loo.ed u%on humans in much the same way as we loo. u%on laboratory animals. +'hey)re abductin# humans and animals, and ha$e been for the %ast A9 [forty(ei#ht] years . . . [((] they)re essentially conductin# biolo#ical e*%eriments to determine how their #enetics can be made to be com%atible with human and animal #enetic structure. 'heir interests are not entirely

understood, but if you acce%t their stated a#enda, it)s to %er%etuate their s%ecies. 'heir s%ecies is nearin# e*tinction and they)re fearful that their biolo#ical system lac.s the emotional de$elo%ment to harness their technolo#ical %rowess in a res%onsible manner. +8ifteen was a%%roached by the <reys in his role at the A0I3, and they desired to %ro$ide a full( scale technolo#y transfer %ro#ram, but 8ifteen turned them down. "e had already established a ''B with the 0orteum, and felt that the <reys were too fractured or#ani:ationally to ma.e #ood on their %romises. 8urthermore, the 0orteum technolo#y was su%erior in most re#ards to the <reys . . . [((] with the %ossible e*ce%tion of the <reys) memory im%lant and their #enetic hybridi:ation technolo#ies. +"owe$er, 8ifteen and the entire ;abyrinth <rou% carefully considered an alliance with the <reys if for no other reason than to ha$e direct communication with re#ard to their stated a#enda. 8ifteen li.ed to be in the .now . . . [((] so e$entually we did establish an alliance, which consisted of a modest information e*chan#e between us. We %ro$ided them with access to our information systems relati$e to #enetic %o%ulations and their uni&ue %redis%osition across a $ariety of criteria includin# mental, emotional, and %hysical beha$iorsC and they %ro$ided us with their #enetic findin#s. +'he <reys, and most e*traterrestrials for that matter, communicate with humans e*clusi$ely throu#h a form of tele%athy, which we called su##esti$e tele%athy because to us it seemed that the <reys communicated in a such a way that they were tryin# to lead a con$ersation to a %articular end. In other words, they always had an a#enda, and we were ne$er certain if we were a %awn of their a#enda or we arri$ed at conclusions that were indeed our own. +I thin. that)s why 8ifteen didn)t trust the <reys. "e felt they used communication to mani%ulate outcomes to their own best interest in fa$or of shared interests. And because of this lac. of trust, 8ifteen refused to form any alliance or ''B that was com%rehensi$e or inte#ral to our o%erations at either the A0I3 or the ;abyrinth <rou%.+ "nne: +Did the <reys .now of the e*istence of the ;abyrinth <rou%,+ Dr! "nderson: +I don)t belie$e so. 'hey were #enerally con$inced that humans were not cle$er enou#h to cloa. their a#endas. 3ur analysis was that the <reys had in$asi$e technolo#ies that #a$e them a false sense of security as to their enemy)s wea.nesses. And I)m not sayin# that we were enemies, but we ne$er trusted them. And this they undoubtedly .new. 'hey also .new that the A0I3 had technolo#ies and intellects that were su%erior to the mainstream human %o%ulation, and they had a modicum of res%ect (( %erha%s e$en fear (( of our abilities. +"owe$er, we ne$er showed them any of our %ure(state technolo#ies or en#a#ed them in dee% dialo#ues concernin# cosmolo#y or new %hysics. 'hey were clearly interested in our information databases and this was their %rimary a#enda with res%ect to the A0I3. 8ifteen was the %rimary interface with the <reys because they sensed a com%arable intellect in him. 'he <reys loo.ed at 8ifteen as the e&ui$alent of our %lanet)s 063.+ "nne: +"ow did 8ifteen become the leader of both the A0I3 and the ;abyrinth <rou%,+

Dr! "nderson: +"e was the Director of @esearch in !>9 when the 0orteum first became .nown to the A0I3. In this %osition, he was the lo#ical choice to assess their technolo#y and determine its $alue to the A0I3. 'he 0orteum instantly too. a li.in# to him, and one of 8ifteen)s first decisions was to utili:e the 0orteum intelli#ence accelerator technolo#ies on himself. After about three months of e*%erimentation Dmost of which was not in his briefin# re%orts to the then current 6*ecuti$e Director of the A0I3E, 8ifteen became infused with a massi$e $ision of how to create B4'. +'he 6*ecuti$e Director was fri#htened by the intensity of 8ifteen)s B4' a#enda and felt that it would di$ert too much of the A0I3)s resources to a technolo#y de$elo%ment %ro#ram that was dubious. 8ifteen was enou#h of a rene#ade that he enlisted the hel% of the 0orteum to establish the ;abyrinth <rou%. 'he 0orteum were e&ually interested in B4' for the similar reasons as 8ifteen. 'he 8reedom Fey, as it was sometimes called, was established as the %rime a#enda of the ;abyrinth <rou%, and the 0orteum and 8ifteen were its initial members. +3$er the ne*t se$eral years, 8ifteen selected the cream of the cro% from the scientific core of the A0I3 to under#o a similar intelli#ence accelerator %ro#ram as he had, with the intention of de$elo%in# a #rou% of scientists that could (( in coo%eration with the 0orteum (( successfully in$ent B4'. 'he A0I3, in the o%inion of 8ifteen, was too controlled by the N4A and he felt the N4A was too immature in its leadershi% to res%onsibly de%loy the technolo#ies that he .new would be de$elo%ed as an out#rowth of the ;abyrinth <rou%. 4o 8ifteen essentially %lotted to ta.e o$er the A0I3 and was assisted by his new recruits to do so. +'his ha%%ened a few years before I became affiliated with the A0I3 as a student and intern. 5y ste%father was $ery sym%athetic to 8ifteen)s a#enda and was hel%ful in %lacin# 8ifteen as the 6*ecuti$e Director of the A0I3. 'here was a %eriod of instability when this transition occured [occurred], but after about a year, 8ifteen was firmly in control of the a#endas of both the A0I3 and the ;abyrinth <rou%. +What I said earlier . . . [((] that he was $iewed as the 063 of the %lanet . . . [((] that)s essentially who he is. And of the 6's who are interactin# with human.ind, only the 0orteum understand the role of 8ifteen. "e has a $ision that is uni&ue in that it is a blue%rint for the creation of B4', and is closin# in on the ri#ht technolo#ical and human elements that will ma.e this %ossible.+ "nne: +What ma.es B4' such an im%erati$e to 8ifteen and the ;abyrinth <rou%,+ Dr! "nderson: +'he A0I3 has access to many ancient te*ts that contain %ro%hecies of the earth. 'hese ha$e been accumulated o$er the %ast se$eral hundred years throu#h our networ. of secret or#ani:ations of which we are a %art. 'hese ancient te*ts are not .nown in academic institutions, the media, or mainstream societyC they are &uite %owerful in their de%ictions of the 2 st [twenty(first] century. 8ifteen was made aware of these te*ts early on when he became Director of @esearch for the A0I3, and this .nowled#e only fueled his desire to de$elo% B4'.+ "nne: +What were these %ro%hecies and who made them,+

Dr! "nderson: +'he %ro%hecies were made by a $ariety of %eo%le who are, for the most %art, un.nown or anonymous, so if I told you their names you would ha$e no reco#nition. -ou see, time tra$el can be accom%lished by the soul from an obser$ational le$el . . . [((] that is to say, that certain indi$iduals can mo$e in the realm of what we call $ertical time and see future e$ents with #reat clarity, but they are %owerless to chan#e them. 'here are also those indi$iduals who ha$e, in our o%inion, come into contact with the Win#5a.ers and are %ro$ided messa#es about the future, which they had recorded in symbol %ictures or e*tinct lan#ua#es li.e 4umerian, 5ayan, and 0ha.obsan. +'he messa#es or %ro%hecies that they made had se$eral consistent strands or themes that were to occur in the early %art of the 2 st [twenty(first] century, around the year 22 . 0hief amon# these was the infiltration of the ma/or #o$ernments of the world, includin# the ?nited Nations, by an alien race. 'his alien race was a %redator race with e*tremely so%histicated technolo#ies that enabled them to inte#rate with the human s%ecies. 'hat is to say, they could %ose as humanoids, but they were truly a blend of human and android [(( in other words, they were synthetics]. +'his alien race was %ro%hesied to establish a world #o$ernment and rule as its e*ecuti$e %ower. It was to be the ultimate challen#e to human.ind)s collecti$e intelli#ence and sur$i$al. 'hese te*ts are .e%t from the %ublic because they are too fear(%ro$o.in# and would li.ely result in a%ocaly%tic re%risals and mass %aranoia[G] . . . + "nne: +Are you sayin# what I thin. you)re sayin#, 'hat anonymous %ro%hets from <od .nows where and when, ha$e seen a $ision of our future ta.e(o$er by a race of robots, I mean you do reali:e how . . . [((] how unbelie$able that sounds,+ Dr! "nderson: +-es . . . [((] I .now it sounds unbelie$able . . . but there are diluted $ersions of this $ery same %ro%hecy in our reli#ious te*ts, it)s /ust that the alien race is %ortrayed as the antichristC as if the alien race was %ersonified in the form of ;ucifer. 'his form of the %ro%hecy was acce%table to the #ate.ee%ers of these te*ts, and so they allowed a form of the %ro%hecy to be distributed, but the notion of an alien race was eliminated.+ "nne: +Why, And who e*actly is it who)s censorin# what we can read and can)t, Are you su##estin# there)s a secret editorial committee that %re$iews boo.s before their distribution,+ Dr! "nderson: +'his is a $ery com%licated sub/ect and I could s%end a whole day /ust ac&uaintin# you with the #eneral structure of this control of information. 5ost of the world)s ma/or libraries ha$e collections of information that are not a$ailable to the #eneral %ublic. 3nly scholars are authori:ed to re$iew these materials, and usually only on site. In the same way, there are manuscri%ts that were contro$ersial and %osited theories that were shar%ly different than the acce%ted belief systems of their day. 'hese manuscri%ts or writin#s were banished by a $ariety of sources, includin# the Hatican, uni$ersities, #o$ernments, and $arious institutions. +'hese writin#s are sou#ht out by secret or#ani:ations that ha$e a mission to collect and retain this information. 'hese or#ani:ations are $ery %owerful and well funded, and they can %urchase these ori#inal manuscri%ts for a relati$ely small amount of money. 5ost of the writin#s are

belie$ed to be hocus(%ocus anyway, so libraries are often $ery willin# to %art with them for an endowment or modest contribution. Also, most of these are ori#inal writin#s ha$in# ne$er been %ublished, bein# that they ori#inated from a time before the %rintin# %ress. +'here is a networ. of secret or#ani:ations that are loosely connected throu#h the financial mar.ets and their interests in worldly affairs. 'hey are #enerally centers of %ower for the monetary systems within their res%ecti$e countries, and are elitists of the first order. 'he A0I3 is affiliated with this networ. only because it is ri#htly construed that the A0I3 has the best technolo#y in the world, and this technolo#y can be de%loyed for financial #ain throu#h mar.et mani%ulation. +As for an editorial committee . . . [((] no, this secret networ. of or#ani:ations doesn)t re$iew boo.s before %ublication. Its holdin#s are e*clusi$ely in ancient manuscri%ts and reli#ious te*ts. 'hey ha$e a $ery stron# interest in %ro%hecy because they belie$e in the conce%t of $ertical time and they ha$e a $ested interest in .nowin# the macro(en$ironmental chan#es that can effect the economy. -ou see for most of them, the only #ame on this %lanet that is worth %layin# is the ac&uisition of e$er(increasin# wealth and %ower throu#h an orchestrated mani%ulation of the .ey $ariables that dri$e the economic en#ines of our world.+ "nne: +4o if they)re so smart about the future, and they belie$e these %ro%hecies, what are they doin# to hel% %rotect us from these alien in$aders,+ Dr! "nderson: +'hey hel% fund the A0I3. 'his collecti$e of or#ani:ations has enormous wealth. 5ore than most #o$ernments can com%rehend. 'he A0I3 %ro$ides them with the technolo#y to mani%ulate money mar.ets and ra.e in tens [hundreds] of billions of dollars e$ery year. I don)t e$en .now the sco%e of their collecti$e wealth. 'he A0I3 also recei$es fundin# from the sale of its diluted technolo#ies to these or#ani:ations for the sa.e of their own security and %rotection. We)$e de$ised the world)s finest security systems, which are both undetectable and im%re#nable to outside forces li.e the 0IA and the former F<B. +'he reason they fund the A0I3 is that they belie$e 8ifteen is the most brilliant man ali$e and they)re aware of his #eneral a#enda to de$elo% B4'. 'hey see this technolo#y as the ultimate safe#uard a#ainst the %ro%hecy and their ability to retain relati$e control of the world and national economies. 'hey also .now 8ifteen)s strate#ic %osition with alien technolo#ies and ho%e that between his #enius, and the alien technolo#ies that the A0I3 is assimilatin#, that B4' is %ossible to de$elo% before the %ro%hecy occurs.+ "nne: +But why the sudden interest in the Win#5a.ers) time ca%sule, "ow does it %lay a role in all of this B4' stuff,+ Dr! "nderson: +Initially, we didn)t .now what the connection was between the Ancient Arrow %ro/ect and the B4' im%erati$e. -ou ha$e to understand that the time ca%sule was a collection of 21 [twenty(three] chambers literally car$ed inside of a canyon wall in the middle of nowhere about 92 [ei#hty] miles northeast of 0haco 0anyon in New 5e*ico. It is, without a doubt, the most ama:in# archeolo#ical find of all time. If scientists were allowed to e*amine this site, with all of its artifacts intact, they would be in awe of this incredible find.

+3ur %reliminary assum%tions were that this site was a time ca%sule of sorts left behind by an e*traterrestrial race who had $isited earth in the 9th [ei#hth] century. But we couldn)t understand why the art was so clearly re%resentati$e of earth (( if it were a time ca%sule. 'he only lo#ical conclusion was that it re%resented a future $ersion of humanity. But we weren)t certain of this until we fi#ured out how to access the o%tical disc and translate the first set of documents from the disc. +3nce we had a clear understandin# of how the Win#5a.ers wanted to be understood, we be#an to test their claims by analy:in# their chamber %aintin#s, %oetry, music, %hiloso%hy, and artifacts. 'his analysis made us fairly certain that they were authentic, which meant that they were not only time tra$elers, but that they were also in %ossession of a form of B4' . . . + "nne: +Why did you assume they had B4',+ Dr! "nderson: +We belie$ed it too. them a minimum of two months to create their time ca%sule. 'his would ha$e re&uired them to o%en and hold o%en a window of time and %hysically o%erate within the selected time frame. 'his is a fundamental re&uirement of B4'. Additionally, it is necessary to be able to select the inter$ention %oints with %recision (( both in terms of time and s%ace. We belie$ed they had this ca%ability, and they had %ro$en it with their time ca%sule. +8urthermore, the technolo#ical artifacts they had left behind were e$idence of a technolo#y that was so far in ad$ance to our own that we couldn)t e$en understand them. None of the e*traterrestrial races we were aware of had technolo#ies so ad$anced that we could not %robe them, assimilate them, and re$erse(en#ineer them. 'he technolo#ies left behind in the Ancient Arrow site were totally eni#matic and im%er$ious to our %robes. We considered them so ad$anced that they were &uite literally indiscernible and unusable which (( thou#h it may sound odd (( is a clear si#n of an e*tremely ad$anced technolo#y.+ "nne: +4o you decided that the Win#5a.ers were in %ossession of B4', but how did you thin. you were #oin# to ac&uire their .nowled#e,+ Dr! "nderson: +We didn)t .now, and to this day, the answer to that &uestion is allusi$e. 'he A0I3 %laced its best resources on this %ro/ect for more than four years [two intensi$e months]. I %osited the theory that the time ca%sule was an encoded communication de$ice. I be#an to theori:e that when one went throu#h the effort to interact with the $arious symbol %ictures and immerse themsel$es in the time ca%sule)s art and %hiloso%hy, it effected [affected] the central ner$ous system in a way that it im%ro$ed fluid intelli#ence. +It was, in my o%inion, the %rinci%le #oal of the time ca%sule to boost fluid intelli#ence so that B4' was not only able to be de$elo%ed, but also utili:ed . . . + "nne: +-ou lost me. What is the relationshi% between B4' and fluid intelli#ence,+ Dr! "nderson: +B4' is a s%ecific form of time tra$el. 4cience fiction treats time tra$el as somethin# that is relati$ely easy to desi#n and de$elo%, and relati$ely one(dimensional. 'ime tra$el is anythin# but one(dimensional. As ad$anced in technolo#y as the 0orteum and <reys

are, they ha$e yet to %roduce the e&ui$alent of B4'. 'hey are able to time tra$el in its elemental form, but they can)t interact with the time that they tra$el to. 'hat is to say, they can #o bac. in time, but once there, they cannot alter the e$ents of that time because they are in a %assi$e, obser$ational mode. +'he ;abyrinth <rou% has conducted se$en time tra$el e*%eriments o$er the %ast 12 [thirty] years. 3ne clear outcome from these tests is that the %erson %erformin# the time tra$el is an inte#ral $ariable to the technolo#y used to time tra$el. In other words, the %erson and the technolo#y need to be %recisely matched. 'he ;abyrinth <rou%, for all it .nows, already %ossesses B4', but lac.s the time tra$eler e&ui$alent of an astronaut who can a%%ro%riately finesse the technolo#y in real time and ma.e the s%lit(second ad/ustments that B4' re&uires. +'he ;abyrinth <rou% has ne$er seriously considered the human element of B4' and how it is inte#ral to the technolo#y itself. 'here were some of us who were in$ol$ed in the translation inde*es of the Win#5a.ers, who be#an to feel that that was the nature of the time ca%sule7 to enhance fluid intelli#ence and acti$ate new sensory in%uts that were critical to the B4' e*%erience. "nne: +But I still don)t understand what it was that led you to that conclusion,+ Dr! "nderson: +When we had translated the first 12 [thirty] %a#es of te*t from the o%tical disc, we learned some interestin# thin#s about the Win#5a.ers and their %hiloso%hy. Namely, that they claimed that the 1(dimensional >(sensory [three(dimensional fi$e(sensory] domain that humans ha$e ad/usted to, is the reason we are only usin# a fractional %ortion of our intelli#ence. 'hey claimed that the time ca%sule would be the brid#e from the 1(dimensional > sensory [three(dimensional fi$e(sensory]domain to the multidimensional 7(sensory [se$en( sensory] domain. +In my o%inion, they were sayin# that in order to a%%ly B4', the tra$eler needed to o%erate from the multidimensional 7(sensory [se$en(sensory] domain. 3therwise, B4' was the %ro$erbial camel throu#h the eye of the needle . . . or in other words . . . im%ossible[G] . . . + "nne: +'his at least seems %lausible to me, why was it so hard to belie$e for the A0I3,+ Dr! "nderson: +'his initiati$e was really conducted by the ;abyrinth <rou% and not the A0I3, so I)m ma.in# that distinction /ust to be accurate, and not to be critical of your &uestion. 8or 8ifteen, it was hard to belie$e that a time ca%sule could acti$ate or construct a brid#e that would lead someone to become a tra$eler. 'his seemed li.e an e*traordinarily remote %ossibility. "e felt that the time ca%sule may hold the technolo#y to enable B4', but he didn)t belie$e it was merely an educational or de$elo%mental e*%erience. [+Also, and more im%ortantly, the true identity of the Win#5a.ers became clear as we de%loyed our @H technolo#ies.+] +'he other outcome of immersion in the time ca%sule)s contents was a sense of loyalty to the Win#5a.ers) %hiloso%hy and a%%roach to life. I found myself becomin# less and less technolo#y(

centric and more and more s%iritually focused. 'here was a sense of entrainment caused by their teachin# that I couldn)t e*%lain. 8or whate$er reason, I be#an to loose my ob/ecti$ity as a researcher, and felt myself more of an ad$ocate of the Win#5a.ers.+ "nne: +What do you mean by the word ad$ocate,+ Dr! "nderson: +Iust that I was sym%athetic to what I construed as the Win#5a.ers) a#enda.+ "nne: +And what was . . . or %erha%s more a%%ro%riately, what is their a#enda in your o%inion,+ Dr! "nderson: +In my o%inion, their a#enda is to acti$ate, throu#h their time ca%sules the new consciousness that enables B4'. I belie$e the Win#5a.ers are tryin# to hel% us de$elo% our consciousness . . . our human abilities . . . so we)re able to utili:e B4' successfully as a defensi$e wea%on. But more #enerally, I thin. this new consciousness is also (( in itself (( a defensi$e wea%on.+ "nne: +But if the Win#5a.ers are time tra$elers themsel$es, in %ossession of B4', why can)t they deal with the hostile aliens in 22 ,+ Dr! "nderson: +I don)t .now. Belie$e me, I)$e thou#ht about that one a #reat deal, as has the team wor.in# on the %ro/ect. Berha%s B4' isn)t their %rimary concern for us, but rather hel%in# us mo$e from the 1(dimensional > sensory domain to the more %otent multidimensional 7 sensory consciousness. Berha%s they)re unable to access the inter$ention %oints because they lac. some critical %iece of information. 3r %erha%s they)re unaware of the need because we already sol$ed it in the year 22 . +All I .now is that we ha$e about = different hy%otheses, and we /ust don)t ha$e enou#h data to ma.e a conclusion. Bear in mind that only about 7J of the te*t from the o%tical disc has been secured and translated to 6n#lish. 'he A0I3 is missin# much of the information yet that will allow it to understand the true nature of the time ca%sules and the %ur%ose of the Win#5a.ers.+ [Note: $he ollowing se%tion was inserted] [4arah7 +8irst, what)re @H technolo#ies,+ Dr. Neruda7 +'hin. of it as %sychic s%yin#. 'he A0I3 has a de%artment that s%eciali:es in @emote Hiewin# technolo#y, and within this de%artment was a woman of un%aralleled ca%ability as an @H. 4he was assi#ned to the %ro/ect as its @H, and she was a critical element in determinin# the identity and %ur%ose of the Win#5a.ers.+ 4arah7 +0an we come bac. to the @H technolo#y, Iust tell me what she disco$ered as to the identity of the Win#5a.ers.+ Dr. Neruda7 +4he was $ery attuned to the first artifact we reco$ered, which turned out to be a homin# de$ice that essentially led us to the Ancient Arrow site. We conducted two official @H

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sessions (( one that I monitored and another that 8ifteen monitored. 4he was able to ma.e contact with the ori#inal %lanners of the Ancient Arrow site. 'hrou#h these two @H sessions we were able to determine that the identity of the Win#5a.ers was an ancient (( the most ancient (( race of human.ind.+ 4arah7 +When you say most ancient, what do you mean,+ Dr. Neruda7 +We .now of them mostly throu#h a few ancient manuscri%ts that were re%utedly channeled by these bein#s. 'here)re a few myths in 5ayan and 4umerian te*t that refer to these bein# as well. But the most definiti$e te*t comes from the 0orteum who defined them, in our terms, as the 0entral @ace.+ 4arah7 +"ow can they be so ancient if they)re so technolo#ically ad$anced,+ Dr. Neruda7 'he 0entral @ace resides in the most %rime$al #ala*ies nearest the centermost %art of the uni$erse. Accordin# to 0orteum cosmolo#y, the structure of the uni$erse is se#mented into se$en su%eruni$erses that each re$ol$e around a central uni$erse. 'he central uni$erse is the material home of 8irst 4ource or the 0reator. Accordin# to the 0orteum, in order to #o$ern the material uni$erse, 8irst 4ource must inhabit materiality and function in the material uni$erse. 'he central uni$erse is the material home of 8irst 4ource and is eternal. It)s surrounded by dar. #ra$ity bodies that ma.e it essentially in$isible e$en to those #ala*ies that lie closest to its %eri%hery. +'he 0orteum teach that the central uni$erse is stationary and eternal, while the se$en su%eruni$erses are creations of time and re$ol$e around the central uni$erse in a countercloc.wise rotation. 4urroundin# these se$en su%eruni$erses is +outer+ or %eri%heral s%ace, which is non(%hysical elementals consistin# of non(baryonic matter or antimatter, which rotates around the se$en su%eruni$erses in a cloc.wise rotation. 'his $ast outer s%ace is e*%ansion room for the su%eruni$erses to e*%and into. 'he .nown uni$erse that your astronomers see is mostly a small fra#ment of our su%eruni$erse and the e*%ansion s%ace at its outermost %eri%hery. "ubble(based astronomy e*tra%olates, based on a fractional field of $iew, that there are >2 billion #ala*ies in our su%eruni$erse, each containin# o$er 22 billion stars. "owe$er, most astronomers remain con$inced that our uni$erse is sin#ular. It is not (( accordin# to the 0orteum.+ +3n the frin#e of the central uni$erse resides the 0entral @ace, which contain the ori#inal human DNA tem%late of creation. "owe$er, they are such an ancient race that they a%%ear to us as <ods, when indeed they re%resent our future sel$es. 'ime and s%ace are the only $ariables of distinction. 'he 0entral @ace is .nown to some as the creator #ods who de$elo%ed the %rimal tem%late of the human s%ecies and then, wor.in# in con/unction with the ;ife 0arriers, seeded the #ala*ies as the uni$erses e*%anded. 6ach of the se$en su%eruni$erses has a distincti$e %ur%ose and relationshi% with the central uni$erse $ia the 0entral @ace based on how the 0entral @ace e*%erimented with the DNA to achie$e distinct, but com%atible %hysical embodiments to be soul carriers. 4arah7 +I don)t e$en .now what to as. ne*t.+

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Dr. Neruda7 +'he 0entral @ace is di$ided into se$en tribes, and they are master #eneticists and the %ro#enitors of the humanoid race. In effect, they are our future sel$es. Kuite literally they re%resent what we will e$ol$e into in time and towards in terms of s%ace.+ 4arah7 +4o, you)re sayin# that the Win#5a.ers are our future sel$es and that they)re buildin# these time ca%sules in order to communicate with us,+ Dr. Neruda7 +'he ;abyrinth <rou% belie$ed that the Win#5a.ers are re%resentati$es of the 0entral @ace, and that they created our %articular human #enoty%e to become suitable soul carriers in our %articular uni$erse. 'he Ancient Arrow site is %art of a broader, interconnected system of se$en sites installed on each continent. 'o#ether, we belie$e this system constitutes a defensi$e technolo#y.+ 4arah7 +4o there)re are se$en Ancient Arrow sites,+ Dr. Neruda7 +-es.+ 4arah7 +And you .now where they are,+ Dr. Neruda7 +I .now #enerally where the remainin# si* are, but I don)t .now their s%ecific location. 'hey remain undisco$ered so far as I .now.+ 4arah7 +Why would the most ad$anced race (( or future $ersion of humanity (( %lace such a so%histicated array of technolo#ies and artifacts on our %lanet, What)re they afraid of,+ Dr. Neruda7 +'hey ha$e an ancient, formidable enemy, which 8ifteen calls the Animus.+ 4arah7 +We)re bac. to the synthetics,+ Dr. Neruda7 +3ne in the same.+ 4arah7 +4o, the Win#5a.ers are %rotectin# their human #enetics from the in$asion of the Animus, and they %laced these sites (( or defensi$e technolo#ies on earth to somehow %re$ent them from ta.in# o$er the %lanet,+ Dr. Neruda +'hat)s essentially what we belie$e. "owe$er, it)s more than human DNA. It includes all the hi#her order animals, humans bein# one of a collecti$e of about one hundred and twenty s%ecies.+ 4arah7 +And you .now all of this because of a %sychic)s $ision, a few ancient manuscri%ts, and the 0orteum,+ Dr. Neruda7 +I admit it sounds im%lausible, but yes, we .now all of this from sources that no one in the %ublic domain can access or corroborate.+

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4arah7 +4o the Win#5a.ers, or 0entral @ace, created us and %resumably hundreds of other s%ecies, %lanted us on earth, and then built a com%le* defensi$e system to %rotect their #enetics. Is that the situation,+ Dr. Neruda7 +'he best way to conce%tuali:e who these bein#s are, is to consider them as #eneticists who were the first born of 8irst 4ource. 'he #ala*ies in which the 0entral @ace resides are a%%ro*imately ei#hteen billion years old and their #enetics are immeasurably more de$elo%ed than our own. 'hey are the o%timal soul carrier in that they can co(e*ist in the material world and the non(material dimensions simultaneously. 'his is because their #enetic blue%rint has been fully acti$ated.+ 4arah7 +-ou sound li.e you)re a belie$er in this %hiloso%hy, but I don)t understand why you)re such an authority if it)s the 0orteum cosmolo#y. Did they teach you this,+ Dr. Neruda7 +Bart of our ''B with the 0orteum e*tended to their cosmolo#y, and they ha$e the e&ui$alent of our Bible called ;iminal 0osmo#ony that I translated. It was our first detailed e*%osure to the 0entral @ace and their behind(the(scenes influence of #enetic e$olution and transformation.+ 4arah7 +What do you mean )behind(the(scenes), Dr. Neruda7 +'he Win#5a.ers ha$e created a DNA tem%late that is form(fitted to each of the se$en su%eruni$erses, enablin# a uni&ue and dominant soul carrier to emer#e within each of the su%eruni$erses. 'his soul carrier (( in our case (( is the human #enoty%e. Within our #enetic substrate is the inborn structure that will ultimately deli$er our s%ecies to the central uni$erse as a %erfected s%ecies. 'he Win#5a.ers ha$e encoded this within our DNA, and set forth the natural and artificial tri##er %oints that cause our #enetic structures to alter and ada%t. In this %rocess, it acti$ates %arts of our ner$ous system that feed the brain with a much richer stream of data from our fi$e senses and two additional senses that we ha$e yet to consciously acti$ate.+ 4arah7 +It sounds a little too manufactured.+ Dr. Neruda7 +What do you mean,+ 4arah7 +Iust that humans will one day as%ire to the hei#hts of the Win#5a.ers, but our sal$ation is somethin# in$isible that)s encoded in our #enes. It feels li.e we)re manufactured to attain the same $iew or %ers%ecti$e of our creators. What ha%%ened to freewill,+ Dr. Neruda7 +-ou raise a #ood &uestion, 4arah. I can)t defend this system of belief. I can recite any %assa#e you want from the boo.s that I .now, but it)s /ust someone)s o%inion who)s ta.en the time to write it down. +I can tell you that in my e*%erience, the wider the ran#e of %ossibilities as one mo$es toward more of a multidimensional thou#ht stream and acti$ity %ath, the narrower one)s choices

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become as they %ertain to ri#htful li$in#. -ou could e$en say that freewill diminishes as one becomes reali:ed to all %ossibilities.+ 4arah7 +I .now you)re tryin# to hel%, but you lost me (( but don)t try and e*%lain a#ain. ;et) s /ust chal. it u% to my dense brain #ettin# in the way.+ Dr. Neruda7 +If it)s anythin#, it)s my %oor e*%lanation. It)s difficult to define these thin#s in a way that can enter your consciousness at its %re%aration %oint.+ 4arah7 +-ou said earlier that the Win#5a.ers encoded tri##er %oints that were both natural and artificially stimulated. What did you mean,+ Dr. Neruda7 +A#ain, I want to em%hasi:e that this is all accordin# to the 0orteum. We ha$e $ery little %roof of any of this from our own em%irical research. "owe$er, the ;abyrinth <rou% has a hi#h de#ree of trust in the 0orteum)s cosmolo#ical systems of belief because of their history as an e*%lorer race, and their su%erior a%%lication of %hysics. +3ur human DNA is desi#ned. It did not e$ol$e from forces of time, matter, and ener#y. It was desi#ned by the 0entral @ace, and %art of this desi#n was to encode within the DNA tem%late certain su%er sensory ca%abilities that would enable a human to %ercei$e itself in a $ery s%ecific way.+ 4arah7 +In what way,+ Neruda7 +As a soul carrier that is connected to the uni$erse li.e a ray of li#ht is connected to a s%ectrum of colors as it %asses throu#h a %rism.+ 4arah7 +0ould you be a bit more concrete,+ Dr. Neruda Dlau#hin#E7 +I)m sorry, sometimes I &uote %assa#es (( it)s easier than comin# u% with my own e*%lanation e$ery time. 4arah7 +No doubt one of the curses of ha$in# a %hoto#ra%hic memory.+ Dr. Neruda7 +Berha%s you)re ri#ht. I)ll try in my own words. +3ur DNA is desi#ned to res%ond to natural ima#ery, words, tones, music, and other e*ternal forces.+ 4arah7 What do you mean by )res%ond),+ Dr. Neruda7 +It can acti$ate or de(acti$ate certain com%onents of its structure that enable ada%tation in both the biolo#ical and hi#her states of bein#L+ 4arah7 +;i.e,+

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Dr. Neruda7 +;i.e the state of enli#htenment as described by some of our %lanet)s s%iritual teachers. 4arah7 +I)$e ne$er heard of enli#htenment as somethin# that one ada%ts to.+ Dr. Neruda7 +'hat)s only because mystics and scientists ali.e do not understand this as%ect of the human DNA tem%late. 6$erythin#, whether it)s a biolo#ical en$ironment or a state of mind, re&uires ada%tation on the %art of the %erson under#oin# the e*%erience. Ada%tation is the %rimary intelli#ence desi#ned within our #enetic code, and it is this intelli#ence that is awa.ened, or tri##ered, with certain stimuli. +'he stimuli can be artificially induced, that is to say, the 0entral @ace has encoded ada%tation to hi#her $ibratory fre&uencies within our DNA that they can tri##er throu#h catalytic ima#es, words, or sounds.+ 4arah7 +3.ay, so now you)re comin# full circle to the %ur%ose of the artifacts found at the Ancient Arrow site. 0orrect,+ Dr. Neruda7 +I belie$e they)re related. 'o what e*tent I)m not sure. But from readin# the information contained within the o%tical disc, I)m &uite certain that the Win#5a.ers intend the music, art, %oetry, and %hiloso%hy to be catalytic.+ 4arah7 +But for what %ur%ose,+ Dr. Neruda7 +;et)s sa$e that for a later time. I %romise we)ll #et to that, but it)s a $ery lon# story.+] "nne: +;et)s ta.e a short brea. and resume after we)$e had a chance to #rab some more coffee. 3.ay,+ Dr! "nderson: +3.ay.+ DBrea. for about 2 minutes . . . [((] @esume inter$iewE "nne: +Durin# the brea. I as.ed you about the networ. of secret or#ani:ations you mentioned that the A0I3 is %art of. 0an you elaborate on this networ. and what its a#enda is,+ Dr! "nderson: +'here are many or#ani:ations that ha$e noble e*teriors and secret interiors. In other words, they may ha$e e*ternal a#endas that they %romote to their em%loyees, members, and the media, but there is also a secret and well hidden a#enda that only the inner core of the or#ani:ation is aware of. 'he outer rin#s or %rotecti$e membershi% as they)re sometimes referred to, are sim%ly window dressin# to co$er(u% the real a#enda of the or#ani:ation. +'he I58, 8orei#n @elations 0ommittee, N4A, F<B, 0IA, World Ban., and the 8ederal @eser$e are all e*am%les of these or#ani:ational structures. 'heir inner core is .nitted to#ether to form an elitist, secret society, with its own culture, economy, and communication system. 'hese are

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the %owerful and wealthy who ha$e /oined forces in order to mani%ulate world %olitical, economic, and social systems to facilitate their own [%ersonal] a#enda. +'he a#enda, as I .now it, is %rimarily concerned with control of the world economy and its $ital resources (( oil, #old, #as reser$es, %latinum, diamonds, etc. 'his secret networ. has utili:ed technolo#y from the A0I3 for the %ur%ose of securin# control of the world economy. 'hey)re well into the %rocess of desi#nin# an inte#rated world economy based on a di#ital e&ui$alent of %a%er currency. 'his infrastructure is in %lace, but it is ta.in# more time than e*%ected to im%lement because of the resistance of com%etiti$e forces who don)t understand the e*act nature of this secret networ., but intuiti$ely sense its e*istence. +'hese com%etiti$e forces are #enerally businesses and %oliticians who are affiliated with the transition to a #lobal, di#ital economy, but want to ha$e some control of the infrastructure de$elo%ment, and because of their si:e and %osition in the mar.et%lace can e*ert si#nificant influence on this secret networ.. +'he only or#ani:ation that I)m aware of that is entirely inde%endent as to its a#enda, and therefore the most %owerful or al%ha or#ani:ation, is the ;abyrinth <rou%. And they are in this %osition because of their %ure(state technolo#ies and the intellect of its members. All other or#ani:ations (( whether %art of this secret networ. of or#ani:ations or %owerful multinational cor%orations (( are not in control of the e*ecution of their a#enda. 'hey are essentially loc.ed in a com%etiti$e battle.+ "nne: +But if this is all true, then is 8ifteen essentially runnin# this secret networ.,+ Dr! "nderson: +No. "e)s not interested in the a#enda of this secret networ.. "e)s bored by it. "e has no interest in %ower or money. "e)s only attracted to the mission of buildin# B4' to thwart hostile alien attac.s that ha$e been %ro%hesied for 2,222 years. "e belie$es that the only mission worth de%loyin# the ;abyrinth <rou%)s considerable intellectual %ower is the de$elo%ment of the ultimate defensi$e wea%on or 8reedom Fey. "e)s con$inced that only the ;abyrinth <rou% has a chance to do this before it)s too late. +-ou ha$e to remember that the ;abyrinth <rou% consists of 9 [one hundred ei#hteen] humans and a%%ro*imately 222 [two hundred] 0orteum. 'he intellectual ability of this #rou%, ali#ned behind the focused mission of de$elo%in# B4' before the alien ta.e(o$er, is truly a remar.able underta.in# that ma.es the 5anhattan Bro/ect loo. li.e a .inder#arten social %arty in com%arison. And %erha%s I)m e*a##eratin# a bit for effect . . . [((] but I)m %ointin# out that 8ifteen is leadin# an a#enda that is far more critical than anythin# that has been underta.en in the history of human.ind.+ "nne: +4o if 8ifteen is runnin# his own a#enda, and it)s /ust as you say it is, why would you defect from such an or#ani:ation,+ Dr! "nderson: +'he A0I3 has a memory im%lant technolo#y that can effecti$ely eliminate select memories with sur#ical %recision. 8or e*am%le, this technolo#y could eliminate your recall

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of this inter$iew without disru%tin# any other memories before or after. -ou would sim%ly sense some missin# time %erha%s, but nothin# more would be recalled . . . [((] if that. +5y intuition cautioned me that I was a candidate to ha$e this %rocedure because of the beha$iors I was e*hibitin# in deference to the Win#5a.ers. In other words, I was belie$ed to be a sym%athi:er of their culture, %hiloso%hy, and mission (( what I .new of it. 'hat made me a %otential ris. to the %ro/ect. 'he ;abyrinth <rou%, in a $ery real sense, feared its own membershi% because of their enormous intellects and ability to be cunnin# and cle$er. +'his im%rinted a constant state of %aranoia which meant that technolo#y was de%loyed to hel% ensure com%liance to the a#enda of 8ifteen. 5ost of these technolo#ies were in$asi$e, and the members of the ;abyrinth <rou% willin#ly submitted to the in$asion in order to more effecti$ely co%e with the %aranoia. 4e$eral months a#o I be#an to systematically shut down these in$asi$e technolo#ies (( in %art to see what the reaction of 8ifteen would be, and %artly because I was tired of the %aranoia. +As I was doin# this, it became ob$ious to me that the sus%icions were escalatin# and it was sim%ly a matter of time before they would as. me to sub/ect myself to memory thera%y [an 5@B ((. 4arah7 +5@B,+ Dr. Neruda7 +-es, 5@B stands for 5emory @estructure Brocedure.+] What I had learned from the Win#5a.ers) time ca%sule is not somethin# I want to for#et. I don)t want to #i$e this information u%. It has become a central %art of what I belie$e and how I want to li$e out my life.+ "nne: +0ouldn)t you ha$e sim%ly defected and not sou#ht out a /ournalist who will want to #et this story out. I mean, couldn)t you ha$e sim%ly #one to an island and li$ed out your life and ne$er disclosed the e*istence of the ;abyrinth <rou% and the Win#5a.ers,+ Dr! "nderson: +-ou don)t understand . . . [((] the ;abyrinth <rou% is untouchable. 'hey ha$e no fears about what I di$ul#e to the media, their only concern is the terrible %recedence of defection. I)m the first. No one has e$er left before. And their fear is that if I defect and #et away successfully, others will too. And once that ha%%ens, the mission is com%romised and B4' may ne$er ha%%en. +8ifteen and his Directors ta.e their mission $ery seriously. 'hey are fanatics of the first order, which is both #ood and bad. <ood in the sense that they)re focused and wor.in# hard to de$elo% B4', bad in the sense that fanaticism breeds %aranoia. 5y reasons for see.in# out a /ournalist li.e you and sharin# this .nowled#e is that I don)t want the Win#5a.ers) time ca%sules to be loc.ed away from humanity. I thin. its contents should be shared. I thin. that was their %ur%ose.+ "nne: +'his will seem li.e a stran#e &uestion, but why would the Win#5a.ers hide their time ca%sule and then encode its content in such an e*traordinarily com%le* way if they wanted this

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to be shared with humanity, ;oo. . . . if [If] the a$era#e citi:en had found this time ca%sule . . . [((] or e$en a #o$ernment laboratory, what)s the chance they would ha$e been able to deci%her it and access the o%tical disc,+ Dr! "nderson: +It)s not such a stran#e &uestion actually. We as.ed it oursel$es. It seemed clear to the ;abyrinth <rou% that it had been the chosen or#ani:ation to unloc. the o%tical disc. 'o answer your &uestion directly, had the time ca%sule been disco$ered by another or#ani:ation, chances are e*cellent that its o%tical disc would ne$er be accessed. 4omehow, this coincidence (( that the time ca%sule ended u% in the hands of the ;abyrinth <rou% (( seems to be an orchestrated %rocess. And e$en 8ifteen a#reed with that assessment. "nne: +4o 8ifteen felt that the Win#5a.ers had selected the ;abyrinth <rou% to decide the fate of the time ca%sule)s content,+ Dr! "nderson: +-es.+ "nne: +'hen wouldn)t it be reasonable to assume that 8ifteen wanted to learn more about the contents of the time ca%sule before he released it to the %ublic throu#h the N4A or some other #o$ernment a#ency,+ Dr! "nderson: +No. It)s doubtful that 8ifteen would e$er release any information about the Ancient Arrow %ro/ect to anyone outside of the A0I3. "e)s not one to share information that he feels is %ro%rietary to the ;abyrinth <rou%, %articularly if it has anythin# to do with B4'.+ "nne: +4o now that you)$e made these statements, isn)t it #oin# to effect the A0I3.[,] Isn)t someone #oin# to as. &uestions and start %o.in# around loo.in# for answers,+ Dr! "nderson: +Berha%s. But I .now too much about their security systems, and there)s no way that a %olitical in&uiry will find them. And there)s no way the secret networ. of or#ani:ations I mentioned earlier could e*ert any influence o$er themC they)re com%letely indebted to the A0I3 for technolo#ies that %ermit them to mani%ulate economic mar.ets. 'hey . . . the A0I3 and ;abyrinth <rou% are, as I said before, untouchable. 'heir only concern will be defection . . . [((] the loss of intellectual ca%ital.+ "nne: +What effect will your defection ha$e on the A0I3 or the ;abyrinth <rou%,+ Dr! "nderson: +Hery little. 5ost of my contributions with res%ect to the time ca%sule ha$e been com%leted. 'here are some other %ro/ects ha$in# to do with encry%tion technolo#ies that I de$elo%ed and these will be more si#nificant in their im%act.+ "nne: +0an you elaborate on the Win#5a.ers and who you thin. they are or re%resent,+ Dr! "nderson: +I don)t .now who they are, but they re%resent themsel$es as human time tra$elers from the middle %art of the 29th century. 'hey could $ery well be the future $ersion of the ;abyrinth <rou%, or some other %owerful or#ani:ation. 'hey seem to ha$e a $ery well inte#rated sub(culture in that their lan#ua#e is clearly a combination of many e*tinct lan#ua#es

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which they could only ha$e .nowled#e of if they had access to A0I3 information systems, or were indeed time tra$elers . . . or both, I su%%ose. +Assumin# they)re accurately re%resentin# themsel$es, they are $ery ad$anced technolo#ically. 'he ;abyrinth <rou% holds that B4' is the most ad$anced technolo#y concei$able. Anyone who %ossesses it and can successfully utili:e it, is clearly more ad$anced than our contem%orary human culture or any of the e*traterrestrials we are currently interfacin# with.+ "nne: +But if the Win#5a.ers are [Bac. to the Win#5a.ers for a moment, if they)re] so ad$anced technolo#ically, why time ca%sules, Why not /ust a%%ear one day and announce what e$er it is they want to share, Why this #ame of hide and see. and hidden time ca%sules,+ Dr! "nderson: +'heir moti$es are not clear. I thin. they %lanted [left behind] these time ca%sules as their way to brin# culture and technolo#y from their time to ours. And they decided to do this by lea$in# behind these miraculous structures or time ca%sules that, once disco$ered, would lead %eo%le to a new %hiloso%hy or le$el of understandin#. I thin. they)re as interested in our %hiloso%hical outloo. as our disco$ery of B4'. Berha%s more so. [We also belie$e that these sites re%resent a defensi$e wea%on. A $ery so%histicated defensi$e wea%on.] +As for why don)t they /ust show u% and #i$e us the information . . . [((] this, I thin., is their #enius. 'hey)$e created se$en time ca%sules and %laced them in $arious %arts of the world. I belie$e this is all %art of a master %lan or strate#y to en#a#e our intellects and s%irits in a way that has ne$er been done before. 'o demonstrate how art (( culture, science, s%irituality, how all of these thin#s are connected. I belie$e they want us to disco$er this . . . not to be told. +If they sim%ly arri$ed here in your li$in# room and announced they were the Win#5a.ers from the 29th century [centermost sector of the uni$erse], I sus%ect you)d be more ama:ed about their %ersonalities and %hysical characteristics and what life is li.e in their time [world]. 'hat)s assumin# you e$en belie$ed them. 'he as%ects of what they wanted to im%art (( culture, art, technolo#y, %hiloso%hy, s%irituality, these items could #et lost in the %henomenon of their %resence. +Also, in the te*t that I had translated, it was a%%arent that the Win#5a.ers had time tra$eled on many occasions. 'hey interacted with %eo%le from many different times and called themsel$es 0ulture Bearers. 'hey were %robably mista.en as an#els or e$en <ods. 8or all we .now, their reference in reli#ious te*ts may indeed be fre&uent.+ "nne: +4o you thin. they intend that these time ca%sules be shared with the whole of humanity,+ Dr! "nderson: +-ou mean the Win#5a.ers,+ "nne: +-es,+ Dr! "nderson: +I don)t .now with absolute certainty. But I thin. they should be shared. I don)t ha$e anythin# to %ersonally #ain from #ettin# this information out to the %ublic. It #oes a#ainst

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e$erythin# I)$e been trained for and %laces me at ris. and at the $ery least, disru%ts my lifestyle irre%arably. +'o me, the Ancient Arrow time ca%sule is the sin#le #reatest disco$ery in the history of human.ind. Disco$eries of this ma#nitude should be in the %ublic domain. 'hey shouldn)t be selfishly secured and retained by the A0I3 or any other or#ani:ation.+ "nne: +'hen why are these disco$eries and the whole situation with 6's .e%t from the %ublic,+ Dr! "nderson: +'he %eo%le who ha$e access to this information li.e the sense of bein# uni&ue and %ri$ile#ed. 'hat)s the %sycholo#y of secret or#ani:ations and why they flourish. Bri$ile#ed information is the ambrosia of elitists. It #i$es them a sense of %ower, and the human e#o lo$es to feed from the trou#h of %ower. +'hey would ne$er confess to this, but the drama of the 6' contact and other mysterious or %aranormal %henomenon is e*tremely com%ellin# and of $ital interest to anyone who is of a curious nature. Barticularly %oliticians and scientists. And by .ee%in# these sub/ects in %ri$ate rooms behind closed doors with all the secrecy surroundin# it, it creates a sense of drama that is missin# in most [of their] other %ursuits. +4o you see, Anne, the drama of secrecy is $ery addicti$e. Now of course, the reason that they would tell you for .ee%in# this out of the %ublic domain is for %ur%oses of national security, economic stability, and social order. And to some e*tent, I su%%ose there)s truth to that. But it)s not the real reason.+ "nne: +Does our Bresident .now about the 6' situation,+ Dr! "nderson: +-es.+ "nne: +What does he .now,+ Dr! "nderson: +"e .nows about the <reys. "e .nows about 6' bases that e*ist on %lanets within our solar system. "e .nows about the 5artians . . . + "nne: +<ood <od, you)re not #oin# to tell me that little #reen men form 5ars actually e*ist are you,+ Dr! "nderson: +If I were to tell you what I .now about the 6' situation, I)m afraid I would lose my credibility in your eyes. Belie$e me, the reality of the 6' situation is much more com%le* and dimensional than I ha$e time toni#ht to re%ort, and if I #a$e you a su%erficial renderin#, I thin. you)d find it im%ossible to belie$e. 4o I)m #oin# to tell you %artial truths, and I)m #oin# to be $ery careful in my choice of words. +'he 5artians are a humanoid race fashioned from the same #ene %ool as we. 'hey li$e in under#round bases within 5ars, and their numbers are small. 4ome ha$e already immi#rated to

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earth, and with some su%erficial ad/ustments to their %hysical a%%earance, they could %ass for a human in broad dayli#ht. +Bresident 0linton is aware of these matters and has considered alternati$e ways to communicate with 6's. 'o date, a form of tele%athy has been used as the %rimary communication interface. "owe$er, this is not a trusted form of communication, es%ecially in the minds of our military %ersonnel. Hirtually e$ery radio telesco%e on the #lobe has been, at one time or another, used to communicate with 6's. 'his has had mi*ed results, but there ha$e been successes, and our Bresident is aware of these.+ "nne: +'hen is 0linton in$ol$ed in the secret networ. you mentioned earlier,+ Dr! "nderson: +Not .nowin#ly. But he is clearly an im%ortant influencer, and is treated with #reat care by hi#h(le$el o%erati$es within the networ..+ "nne: +4o you)re sayin# he)s mani%ulated,+ Dr! "nderson: +It de%ends on your definition of +mani%ulation+. "e can ma.e any decision he desires, ultimately he has the %ower to ma.e or influence all decisions relati$e to national security, economic stability, and social order. But he #enerally see.s in%uts from his ad$isors. And hi#h le$el o%erati$es from this secret networ. ad$ise his ad$isors. 'he networ., and its o%erati$es, seldom #ets too close to %olitical %ower because it)s in the media fish bowl, and they disdain the scrutiny of the media and the %ublic in #eneral. +0linton, therefore is not mani%ulated, but sim%ly ad$ised. 'he information he recei$es is sometimes doctored to lead his decisions in the direction that the networ. feels is most beneficial to all of its members. 'o the e*tent that information is doctored, then I thin. you could say that the Bresident is mani%ulated. "e has %recious little time to %erform fact chec.in# and fully e$aluate alternati$e %lans, which is why the ad$isors are so im%ortant and influential.+ "nne: +3.ay, so he)s mani%ulated (( at least by my definition. Is this also ha%%enin# with other #o$ernments li.e Ia%an and <reat Britain for instance,+ Dr! "nderson: +-es. 'his networ. is not /ust national or e$en #lobal. It e*tends to other races and s%ecies. 4o its influence is &uite broad, as are the influences that im%in#e u%on it. It is a two(way street. As I said before, 'he ;abyrinth <rou% o%erates the only a#enda that is truly inde%endent, and because of its #oal, it)s %ermitted to ha$e this inde%endence . . . [((] thou#h in all honesty, there)s nothin# that anyone could do to %re$ent it, with the %ossible e*ce%tion of the Win#5a.ers.+ "nne: +4o all the world)s #o$ernments are bein# mani%ulated by this secret networ. of or#ani:ations . . . [((] who are these or#ani:ations . . . [((] you mentioned some of them, but who are the rest, Is the mob in$ol$ed,+ Dr! "nderson: +I could name most of them, but to what end, 5ost you wouldn)t reco#ni:e or find any reference to. 'hey are li.e the ;abyrinth <rou%. "ad you e$er heard of it before, 3f

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course not. 6$en the current mana#ement of the N4A is not aware of the A0I3. At one time, they were. But that was o$er 1> years a#o, and %eo%le circulate out of the or#ani:ation, but still retain their alliance to the secret and %ri$ile#ed information networ.. +And no, absolutely there is no mob or or#ani:ed crime influence in this networ.. 'he networ. uses or#ani:ed crime as a shield in some instances, but or#ani:ed crime o%erates throu#h intimidation, not stealth. Its leaders %ossess a$era#e intelli#ence and associate with information systems that are obsolete and therefore non(strate#ic. 'he or#ani:ed crime networ. is a much less so%histicated $ersion of the networ. I was referrin# to.+ "nne: 3.ay, let)s #et bac. to the Win#5a.ers for a moment . . . [((] and I a%olo#i:e for my scattered &uestions toni#ht. It)s /ust that there)s so much I want to .now that I)m findin# it $ery difficult to stay on the sub/ect of the Ancient Arrow %ro/ect.+ Dr! "nderson: +-ou don)t need to a%olo#i:e. I understand how this must sound to you. I)m still wide awa.e, so you don)t ha$e to worry about the time.+ "nne: +3.ay. ;et)s tal. a little bit about your im%ressions or insi#hts into the Win#5a.ers) %hiloso%hy and culture [6' situation that you s%o.e of earlier. 'o me, this is the %art that)s most fascinatin#].+ Dr! "nderson: +8irst of all, a#ain I want to remind you that only a fraction of their writin#s ha$e been translated. 4o whate$er insi#hts I may ha$e, are limited by a %artial understandin# (( at best (( of their culture and %hiloso%hy. Also, I want to remind you that the Win#5a.ers may not re%resent the broader culture and %hiloso%hy of their time. 3ur inter%retation was that they re%resented a subset or subculture of their time. +With those &ualifications, I)ll say that the Win#5a.ers ha$e the benefit of about 7>2 additional years of e$olutionary thou#ht. We %resume that humans of this era are acti$e members of the 8ederation of our #ala*y . . . + [Dr. Neruda7 +8irst of all, I want to e*%lain that the 6's that interact with our world)s #o$ernments are not the same ones that interact with the ;abyrinth <rou%.+ 4arah7 +But I thou#ht you said that the <reys were in$ol$ed with the A0I3, or at least one of its factions.+ Dr. Neruda7 +-es, they)re also .nown as the Metas, but as I said, they)re many different factions of the <reys and the one that the A0I3 is wor.in# with are the al%ha faction, and they don)t o%erate with our #o$ernment or#ani:ations because they are too sus%icious of them, and fran.ly, don)t $iew them as intelli#ent enou#h to e$en warrant their time.+ 4arah7 +What about the 0orteum,+

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Dr. Neruda7 +'he 0orteum are a $ery so%histicated culture, inte#ratin# technolo#y, culture, and science in a $ery holistic manner. 8or different reasons, they)re not in$ol$ed with our #o$ernments either, mainly because of their role with the 8ederation. +] "nne: +What)s the 8ederation . . . I ha$en)t heard you tal. about it before,+ Dr! "nderson: +6ach #ala*y has a 8ederation or loose(.nit or#ani:ation that includes all sentient life forms on e$ery %lanet within the #ala*y. It would be the e&ui$alent of the ?nited Nations of the #ala*y. 'his 8ederation has both in$ited members and obser$ational members. In$ited members are those s%ecies that ha$e mana#ed to beha$e in a res%onsible manner as stewards of their %lanet and combine both the technolo#y, %hiloso%hy, and culture that enable them to communicate as a #lobal entity that has a unified a#enda. +3bser$ational members are s%ecies who are fra#mented and are still wrestlin# with one another o$er land, %ower, money, culture, and a host of other thin#s that %re$ent them from formin# a unified world #o$ernment. 'he human race on %lanet earth is such a s%ecies, and for now, it is sim%ly obser$ed by the 8ederation, but is not in$ited into its %olicy ma.in# and economic systems.+ "nne: +Are you sayin# that our #ala*y has a form of #o$ernment and a economic system,+ Dr! "nderson: +-es, but if I tell you about this you will lose trac. of what I really wanted to share with you about the Win#5a.ers . . . + "nne: +I)m sorry for ta.in# us off trac. a#ain. But this is /ust too ama:in# to i#nore. If there)s a 8ederation of coo%erati$e, intelli#ent s%ecies, why couldn)t they ta.e care of these hostile aliens in the year 22 or at least hel% us,+ Dr! "nderson: +'he 8ederation doesn)t intrude on a s%ecies of any .ind. It is truly a facilitatin# force not a #o$ernin# force with a military %resence. 'hat is to say, they will obser$e and hel% with su##estions, but they will not inter$ene on our behalf.+ "nne: +Is this li.e the Brime Directi$e as it)s %ortrayed on 4tar 're.,+ Dr! "nderson: +No. It)s more li.e a %arent who wants its children to learn how to fend for themsel$es so they can become #reater contributors to the family.+ "nne: +But wouldn)t a hostile ta.e(o$er of earth effect the 8ederation,+ Dr! "nderson: +5ost definitely. But the 8ederation does not %reem%t a s%ecies) own res%onsibility for sur$i$al and the %er%etuation of its #enetics. -ou see, at an atomic le$el our %hysical bodies are made &uite literally from stars. At a sub(atomic le$el, our minds are non( %hysical re%ositories of a #alactic mind. At a sub(sub(atomic le$el, our souls are non(%hysical re%ositories of <od or the intelli#ence that %er$ades the uni$erse.

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+'he 8ederation belie$es that the human s%ecies can defend itself because it is of the stars, #alactic mind, and <od. If we were unsuccessful, and the hostility s%read to other %arts of our #ala*y, then the 8ederation would ta.e notice and its members would defend their so$erei#nty, and this has ha%%ened many times. And in this %rocess of defense new technolo#ies arise, new friendshi%s are for#ed, and new confidence is embedded in the #alactic mind. +'hat)s why the 8ederation %erforms as they do.+ "nne: +Doesn)t B4' e*ist somewhere within the 8ederation,+ Dr! "nderson: +-es, it %robably does [Berha%s] in one of the %lanets closer to our #alactic core.+ "nne: +4o why doesn)t the 8ederation hel% . . . [((] you said they could hel% didn)t you,+ Dr! "nderson: +-es, they can hel%. And the 0orteum are I5s or in$ited members and they are hel%in# us. But they themsel$es do not %ossess the B4' technolo#y . . . [((] this is a $ery s%ecial technolo#y that is [that)s] %ermitted to be ac&uired by a s%ecies that intends to use it only as a defensi$e wea%on. And herein is the challen#e. "nne: +Who does the +%ermittin#+ . . . [((] are you sayin# the 8ederation decides when a s%ecies is ready to ac&uire B4',+ Dr! "nderson: +No . . . [((] I thin. it has to do with <od.+ "nne: +I don)t .now why, but I ha$e a hard time belie$in# that you belie$e in <od.+ Dr! "nderson: +Well, I do. And furthermore, so does e$eryone within the ;abyrinth <rou% (( includin# 8ifteen. We)$e seen far too many e$idences of <od or a hi#her intelli#ence that we can)t dis%ute its e*istence. It would be im%ossible to deny based on what we)$e obser$ed in our laboratories.+ "nne: +4o <od decides when we)re ready to res%onsibly use B4'. Do you thin. he)ll decide before 22 ,+ DI admit there was a tone of sarcasm in this &uestion.E Dr! "nderson: +-ou see, Anne [4arah], the ;abyrinth <rou% is ho%eful that the readiness of the entire s%ecies isn)t the determinin# factor, but that a sub#rou% within the s%ecies mi#ht be allowed to ac&uire the technolo#y as lon# as it was able to %rotect it from all non(a%%ro$ed forces. 'his sub#rou% is ho%ed to be the ;abyrinth <rou%, and it)s one of the reasons why 8ifteen has in$ested so much the A0I3)s resource into security systems.+ "nne: +-ou didn)t really answer my &uestion thou#h . . . [((] Do you thin. it can be de$elo%ed in 2 years,+ Dr! "nderson: +I don)t .now. 0ertainly I ho%e so, but B4' is not our only line of defense. 'he ;abyrinth <rou% has de$ised many defensi$e wea%ons, not all of which I)ll describe to you. 'he

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alien race foretold in %ro%hecy is not e$en aware of earth at this time. 'hey ori#inate from a different #ala*y alto#ether. 'he %ro%hecy is that they will send %robes to our #ala*y and determine that earth is the best #enetic library and natural resource re%ository in the 5il.y Way that can be &uic.ly assimilated. 'hey will $isit earth in 22 . ['he Animus ha$e $isited earth before, a%%ro*imately three hundred million years a#o, but they didn)t find anythin# %resent on our %lanet to cause them to in$est the time and resources to coloni:e our %lanet. When their %robes return in thirteen years, they will thin. differently.] +'he %ro%hecy says [3ur analysis is that] they will befriend our #o$ernments and utili:e the ?nited Nations as an ally. 'hey will set about orchestratin# a unified world #o$ernment throu#h the ?nited Nations. And when the first elections are held in 22 9, they will o$erta.e the ?nited Nations and rule as the world #o$ernment. 'his will be done throu#h tric.ery and dece%tion. +I mention these %ro%hecies [our analysis (( ta.en from three different @H sessions ((] because they)re &uite s%ecific as to the dates, and so we ha$e the e&ui$alent of ! [nineteen] years to %roduce and de%loy B4'. Ideally, yes, we)d li.e to ha$e it com%leted in order to interface with the inter$ention %oints for this race when it decided to crosso$er into our #ala*y. We would li.e to cause them to choose a different #ala*y or abandon their &uest alto#ether. But it may be im%ossible to determine this inter$ention %oint. +-ou see, the memory im%lant technolo#y de$elo%ed by the ;abyrinth <rou% can be utili:ed in con/unction with B4'. We can define the inter$ention %oint when our #ala*y was selected as a tar#et to coloni:e, enter that time and %lace, and im%ose a new memory on their leadershi% to di$ert them from our #ala*y.+ "nne: +6ither I)m #ettin# tired, or this /ust #ot a lot more confusin# . . . [((] -ou)re sayin# that the ;abyrinth <rou% already has scenarios to ni% this thin# in the bud . . . [((] to %re$ent this maraudin# #rou% of aliens from e$en enterin# our #ala*y, "ow do you .now where they are,+ Dr! "nderson: +'o answer your &uestion, I would need to e*%lain with much more #ranularity the %recise nature of B4' and how it differs from time tra$el. I)ll try to e*%lain it as sim%ly as I can, but it)s com%le*, and you need to let #o of some of your %reconcei$ed notions of time and s%ace. +-ou see . . . [((] time is not e*clusi$ely linear as when it)s de%icted in a timeline. 'ime is $ertical with e$ery moment in e*istence stac.ed u%on the ne*t and all coincidin# with one another. In other words, time is the collecti$e of all moments of all e*%erience simultaneously e*istin# within non(time, which is usually referred to as eternity. +Hertical time infers that one can select a moment of e*%erience and use time and s%ace as the %ortal throu#h which they ma.e their selection real. 3nce the selection is made, time and s%ace become the continuity factor that chan#es $ertical time into hori:ontal time or con$entional time ...+ "nne: +-ou lost me. "ow is $ertical time different from hori:ontal time,+

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Dr! "nderson: +Hertical time has to do with the simultaneous e*%erience of all time, and hori:ontal time has to do with the continuity of time in linear, moment(by(moment e*%eriences.+ "nne: +4o you)re sayin# that e$ery e*%erience I)$e e$er had or will e$er ha$e e*ists ri#ht now, 'hat the %ast and future are actually the %resent, but I)m /ust too brainwashed to see it,+ Dr! "nderson: +As I said before, this is a com%le* sub/ect, and I)m afraid that if I s%end the time e*%lainin# it to you now, we will [we)ll] lose trac. of more im%ortant information li.e B4'. Berha%s if I were to e*%lain the nature of B4', most of your &uestions would be answered in the %rocess.+ "nne: +3.ay, then tell me what B4' [Blan. 4late 'echnolo#y] is, <i$en what the acronym stands for [the title], I assume it means somethin# li.e . . . [((] wi%e out an e$ent and chan#e the course of history. @i#ht,+ Dr! "nderson: +;et me try to e*%lain it this way. 'ime tra$el can be obser$ational in nature. In this re#ard, the A0I3 and other or#ani:ations (( e$en indi$idual citi:ens (( ha$e the ability to time tra$el. But this form of time tra$el is %assi$e. It)s not e&ui$alent to B4'. In order to %recisely alter the future you ha$e to be able to interact with $ertical time, %a#in# throu#h it li.e a boo., until you find the %recise %a#e or inter$ention %oint rele$ant to your mission. +'his is where it #ets so com%le* because to interact with $ertical time means you will alter the course of hori:ontal time. And understandin# the alterations and their sco%e and im%lication re&uires e*tremely com%le* modelin#. 'his is why the ;abyrinth <rou% ali#ned itself with the 0orteum (( its com%utin# technolo#y has %rocessin# ca%abilities that are about 1,222 times more %owerful than our best su%ercom%uters. +'his enables us to create or#anic, hi#hly com%le* scenario models. 'hese models tell us the most %robable inter$ention %oints once we)$e #athered the rele$ant data, and what the most %robable outcomes will be if we in$o.e a s%ecific scenario. ;i.e most com%le* technolo#ies, B4' is a com%osite technolo#y ha$in# fi$e discrete and inter(related technolo#ies. +'he first technolo#y is a s%eciali:ed form of remote $iewin#. 'his is the technolo#y that enables a trained o%erati$e to mentally mo$e into $ertical time and obser$e e$ents and e$en listen to con$ersations related to an in&uiry mode. 'he o%erati$e is in$isible to all %eo%le within the time they are tra$elin# to, so it)s %erfectly safe and unobtrusi$e. 'he intelli#ence #ained from this technolo#y is used to determine the a%%lication of the other four technolo#ies. 'his is the e&ui$alent of intelli#ence #atherin#. +'he second technolo#y that is .ey to B4' is the e&ui$alent of a memory im%lant. [As I mentioned earlier, the] 'he A0I3 refers to this technolo#y as a 5emory @estructure Brocedure or 5@B. 5@B is the technolo#y that allows a memory to be %recisely eliminated in the hori:ontal time se&uence and a new memory inserted in its %lace. 'he new memory is welded to the e*istin# memory structure of the reci%ient.

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+-ou see, e$ents (( small and lar#e (( occur from a sin#le thou#ht, which becomes a %ersistent memory, which in turn, becomes a causal ener#y center that leads the de$elo%ment and materiali:ation of the thou#ht into reality... into hori:ontal time. 5@B can remo$e the initial thou#ht and thereby eliminate the %ersistent memory that causes e$ents to occur. +'he third technolo#y consists of definin# the inter$ention %oint. In e$ery ma/or decision, there are hundreds if not thousands of inter$ention %oints in hori:ontal time as a thou#ht unfolds and mo$es throu#h its de$elo%ment %hase. "owe$er, in $ertical time, there is only one inter$ention %oint or what we sometimes called the causal seed. In other words, if you can access $ertical time intelli#ence you can identify the inter$ention %oint that is the causal seed. 'his technolo#y identifies the most %robable inter$ention %oints and ran.s their %riority. It enables focus of the remainin# technolo#ies. +'he fourth technolo#y is related to the third. It)s the scenario modelin# technolo#y. 'his technolo#y hel%s to assess the $arious inter$ention %oints as to their least in$asi$e ri%%le effects to the reci%ients. In other words, which inter$ention %oint (( if a%%lied to a scenario model (( %roduces the desired outcome with the least disru%tion to unrelated e$ents, 'he scenario modelin# technolo#y is a .ey element of B4' because without it, B4' could cause si#nificant disru%tion to a society or entire s%ecies. +'he fifth and most %u::lin# technolo#y is the interacti$e time tra$el technolo#y. 'he ;abyrinth <rou% has the first four technolo#ies in a ready state waitin# for the interacti$e time tra$el technolo#y to become o%erational. 'his technolo#y re&uires an o%erati$e, or a team of o%erati$es, to be able to %hysically mo$e into $ertical time and be inserted in the %recise s%ace and time where the o%timal inter$ention %oint has been determined. 8rom there the o%erati$es must %erform a successful 5@B and return to their ori#inal time in order to $alidate mission success.+ "nne: +I)$e been listenin# to this e*%lanation and I thin. I e$en understand some of it, but it sounds so surreal to me, Dr. Anderson [Neruda]. I)m . . . [((] I)m at a loss to e*%lain how I)m feelin# ri#ht now. 'his is all so stran#e. It)s so bi# . . . [((] enormous . . . [((] I can)t belie$e this is #oin# on somewhere on the same %lanet that I li$e. Before this inter$iew, I was worried about balancin# my chec.boo. and when my damn car would e$er be fi*ed . . . [((] this is /ust too stran#e . . . [((] + Dr! "nderson: +5aybe we should ta.e another brea. and warm u% our coffee.+ "nne: 4i#nin# off for a coffee brea. . . . DBrea. for about 2 [ >]minutes . . . @esume inter$iewE "nne: +If the ;abyrinth <rou% has four of the fi$e technolo#ies ready to #o, and is only awaitin# the interacti$e . . . [((] the interacti$e %art, they must ha$e scenario models and inter$ention %oints already established for how they %lan to deal with this alien [Animus] race. Do they,+

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Dr! "nderson: +-es. 'hey ha$e about A2 [forty] scenario models and %erha%s as many as >(9 [ei#ht] inter$ention %oints defined.+ "nne: +And if there)re that many, there must be a %riority established. What)s the most %robable scenario model,+ Dr! "nderson: +I will be brief on this %oint because it)s such classified information that only the A* [4;(8ourteen] %ersonnel and 8ifteen .now this. 5y classification is 2* [4; (('hirteen] and so I #et diluted re%orts and &uite %ossibly misinformation with re#ard to our scenario modelin#. About all I can tell you is that we .now (( from both the %ro%hecies and our remote $iewin# technolo#y (( a si#nificant amount of information about this race. +8or e*am%le, we .now that it hails from a #ala*y that our "ubble telesco%e has e*amined as thorou#hly as %ossible and we)$e charted it as e*tensi$ely as %ossible. We .now that it is 2.= [thirty(se$en] million li#ht years away and that the s%ecies is a synthetic race (( a mi*ture of #enetic creation and technolo#y. It %ossesses a hi$e mentality, but indi$idual initiati$e is still a%%reciated as lon# as it is ali#ned with the e*%licit ob/ecti$es of its leaders. +Because it is [it)s] a synthetic race, it can be %roduced in a controlled en$ironment and its %o%ulation can be increased or decreased de%endin# on the whims of its leaders. It is . . . [((] + "nne: +Didn)t you /ust say it)s from a #ala*y that)s 2.= [thirty(se$en] million li#ht years away, I mean, assumin# they were able to tra$el at the s%eed of li#ht, it would ta.e them 2.= [thirty( se$en] million years to come to our %lanet. And you said earlier that they didn)t e$en .now about earth yet . . . ri#ht [hadn)t e$en crossed into our #ala*y yet, ri#ht],+ Dr! "nderson: +'he 0orteum come from a %lanet that is >,222 [fifteen million] li#ht years away, and yet they can come and #o between their %lanet and our %lanet in the time it ta.es us to tra$el to the moon (( a mere 2>2,222 [two hundred and fifty thousand] miles away. 'ime is not linear, nor is s%ace. 4%ace is cur$ed, as your %hysicists ha$e recently learned, but it can be artificially cur$ed throu#h dis%lacement ener#y fields that colla%se s%ace and the illusion of distance. ;i#ht %articles do not dis%lace or colla%se s%ace, they ride a linear line throu#h s%ace, but there are forms of electroma#netic ener#y that can modify or colla%se s%ace. And this technolo#y ma.es s%ace tra$el (( e$en between #ala*ies (( not only %ossible, but also relati$ely easy. "nne: +Why did you say, )your %hysicists) /ust then,+ Dr! "nderson: +I a%olo#i:e . . . [((] it)s /ust a %art of the conditionin# of bein# isolated from mainstream society. When you o%erate for 12 [thirty] years in a secret or#ani:ation li.e the ;abyrinth <rou%, you tend to loo. at your fellow humans . . . [((] as not your fellow humans, but as somethin# else. 'he %rinci%les of science that the ;abyrinth <rou% has embraced are $ery different from those tau#ht within your . . . [((] there I #o a#ain . . . [((] within our uni$ersities. I must be #ettin# tired.+

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"nne: +I didn)t mean to critici:e you. It)s /ust the way you said it, it sounded as thou#h an alien or an outsider said it.+ Dr! "nderson: +I &ualify as an outsider, but certainly not an alien.+ "nne: +3.ay, bac. to this %ro%hecy or alien race. What do they want, I mean . . . [((] why tra$el such a far distance to rule earth,+ Dr! "nderson: +'his seems such a funny &uestion to me. 6*cuse me for lau#hin#. It)s /ust that humans do not understand how s%ecial earth is. It is truly, as %lanets are concerned, a s%ecial %lanet. It has such a tremendous bio(di$ersity and a com%le* ran#e of ecosystems. Its natural resources are uni&ue and %lentiful. It)s a #enetic library that)s the e&ui$alent of a #alactic :oo. +'he aliens that are comin# ['he Animus] desire to own this %lanet and add it to its coloni:ation %lans [in order to own its #enetics]. As I)$e already mentioned, this is a synthetic race. A s%ecies that can clone itself and fabricate more and more of its %o%ulation to ser$e the %ur%ose of its coloni:ation %ro#ram. "owe$er, it desires more di$ersity, and earth will re%resent an o%%ortunity for it to di$ersify [than the e*%ansion of its em%ire. It desires to become a soul carrier (( somethin# reser$ed for %ure biolo#ical or#anisms. 4ynthetic or#anisms are not able to carry the hi#her fre&uencies of soul, which absolutely re&uire an or#anic ner$ous system.]+ [4arah7 +4o they want a soul,+ Dr. Neruda7 +'hey want to e*%and throu#hout the uni$erse and de$elo% their or#anic nature throu#h #enetic reen#ineerin#. 'hey want to become soul carriers in order to achie$e immortality. 'hey also want to %ro$e what they already belie$e, that they are su%erior to all other %ure or#anics.+] "nne: +4o where are they ri#ht now,+ [Dr. Neruda7 +'he Animus,+ 4arah7 +-es.+] Dr! "nderson: +I assume they remain in their homeworld . . . [((] to the best of our .nowled#e they ha$en)t crossed into our #ala*y yet.+ "nne: +And when they arri$e, how will the A0I3 or ;abyrinth <rou% .now,+ Dr! "nderson: +As I said, the A0I3 has already done a si#nificant amount of intelli#ence #atherin# and e$en selected scenarios and inter$ention %oints.+ "nne: +4o what)s the %lan,+ Dr! "nderson: +'he most lo#ical a%%roach would be to tra$el to the time and %lace when the casual thou#ht was born to e*%lore the 5il.y Way, and throu#h 5@B, e*%un#e it from the

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memory of the race. 6ssentially, con$ince them that of all the wonderful, life(inhabited #ala*ies, the 5il.y Way is a %oor choice. 'he ;abyrinth <rou% would im%lant a memory that would lead this race to conclude that our #ala*y was not worthy of their serious e*%loration.+ "nne: +4o some other #ala*y becomes their ne*t tar#et, Wouldn)t we bear the res%onsibility of their ne*t con&uest, Aren)t we then %er%etrators oursel$es,+ Dr! "nderson: +'his is a fair &uestion, but I)m afraid I don)t .now the answer.+ "nne: +Why couldn)t we (( usin# this 5@B technolo#y (( sim%ly im%lant a memory not to be a##ressi$e. 'o tell this race to sto% tryin# to coloni:e new worlds that aren)t theirs to own li.e %ro%erty. Why couldn)t we do this,+ Dr! "nderson: +Berha%s we will. I don)t really .now what 8ifteen has in mind. I am, thou#h, confident in his a%%roach and its efficacy.+ "nne: +But you said earlier that you feared for your life . . . [((] that 8ifteen is %robably tryin# to hunt you down e$en as we s%ea.. Why are so you confident in his sense of morality,+ Dr! "nderson: +In the case of 8ifteen, morality doesn)t really %lay a role. "e o%erates in his own code of ethics, and I don)t %retend to understand them all. But I)m &uite certain of his mission to a$ert ta.e(o$er by this alien race, and I)m e&ually confident that he will choose the best inter$ention %oint with the least influence to the o$erall s%ecies of this alien race [Animus]. It is the only way he can ac&uire B4'. And he .nows this.+ "nne: +We)re bac. to <od a#ain, aren)t we,+ Dr! "nderson: +-es.+ "nne: +4o <od and 8ifteen ha$e this all fi#ured out,+ Dr! "nderson: +'here)s no certainty if that)s what you mean. And there)s no alliance between 8ifteen and <od, at least not that I)m aware of. 'his is %art of the belief system that the ;abyrinth <rou% formali:ed alon# the %ath to de$elo%in# B4'. It)s lo#ical to us that <od is all( %owerful and all .nowin# because it o%erates as the uni$ersal mind field that inter%enetrates all life, all time, all s%ace, all ener#y . . . [((] and all e*istence. 'his consciousness is im%artial, but certainly it)s in a %osition to deny thin#s or, %erha%s more accurately, delay their ac&uisition.+ "nne: +If <od e*ists e$erywhere as you say, then why wouldn)t he sto% this maraudin# alien race and .ee% them in their %lace,+ Dr! "nderson: +A#ain, a fair &uestion, but one that I can)t answer. I can only tell you that the <od I belie$e in is, as I said before, im%artial. 5eanin# that it allows its creation to e*%ress themsel$es as they desire. At the hi#hest le$el where <od o%erates, all thin#s ha$e a %ur%ose . . . e$en a##ressi$e s%ecies that desire to dominate other s%ecies and %lanets. It was 8ifteen)s belief that <od orchestrated nothin# but understood e$erythin# in the uni$ersal mind.

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+@emember when I was tal.in# about the #alactic mind,+ "nne: +-es.+ Dr! "nderson: +'here are %lanetary minds, solar minds, #alactic minds, and a sin#ular uni$ersal mind. 'he uni$ersal mind is the mind of <od. 6ach #ala*y has a collecti$e consciousness or mind field that is the a##re#ation of all of the s%ecies %resent within that #ala*y. 'he uni$ersal mind creates the initial blue%rint for each of the #ala*ies related to its #alactic mind or com%osite consciousness. 'his initial blue%rint creates the %re(dis%osition of the #enetic code seeded within a #ala*y. We, the ;abyrinth <rou%, belie$ed that <od desi#ned each #ala*y)s #enetic code with a different set of %re(dis%ositions or beha$iors.+ "nne: +And why would this be so,+ Dr! "nderson: +4o di$ersity is am%lified across the uni$erse, which in turn %ermits <od to e*%erience the broadest continuum of life.+ "nne: +Why is this so im%ortant,+ Dr! "nderson: +Because <od lo$es to e*%eriment and de$ise new ways of e*%eriencin# life in all of its dimensions. 'his may $ery well be the %ur%ose of the uni$erse.+ "nne: +-ou .now you)re tal.in# li.e a %reacher, -ou s%ea. li.e these are certainties or truths that are /ust self(e$ident . . . [((] but they)re /ust beliefs aren)t they,+ Dr! "nderson: +-es, they)re beliefs, but beliefs are im%ortant don)t you thin.,+ "nne: +I)m not sure . . . [((] I mean my beliefs are chan#in# e$ery day. 'hey)re not stable or anchored in some dee% truth that)s constant li.e bedroc. or somethin#.+ Dr! "nderson: +Well, that)s #ood . . . [((] I mean that they chan#e. 'he ;abyrinth <rou% e$ol$ed a $ery s%ecific set of beliefs (( some of these were based on our e*%eriences as a result of the 0orteum intelli#ence enhancement technolo#ies, some were based from ancient te*ts that were studied, and some were borrowed from our 6' contacts.+ "nne: +4o now you)re #oin# to tell me our friendly nei#hborhood 6's are reli#ious :ealots,+ Dr! "nderson: +No . . . [((] no, I don)t mean that they were tryin# to con$ert us to their beliefs, we sim%ly as.ed and they related them to us. ?%on hearin# them, they seemed &uite a bit more li.e science than reli#ion actually. I thin. that)s the nature of a more e$ol$ed s%ecies . . . [((] they finally fi#ure out that science and reli#ion con$er#es into cosmolo#y. 'hat understandin# the uni$erse in which we li$e, also causes us to understand oursel$es (( which is the %ur%ose of reli#ion and science . . . [((] or at least should be.+

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"nne: +3.ay, this is #ettin# a little too %hiloso%hical for my tastes. 0an we return to a &uestion about the Win#5a.ers, If, as you say, there)s a #alactic federation that #o$erns the 5il.y Way, how do the Win#5a.ers factor into this federation,+ Dr! "nderson: +I)m im%ressed by the nature of your &uestions. And I wish I could answer them all, but here a#ain, I don)t .now the answer. I would assume the federation and the Win#5a.ers o%erate in unison and ha$e a mutually beneficial relationshi%, but I)m not . . . + "nne: +But if you can use your remote $iewin# technolo#y to ea$esdro% on this alien race in an entirely different #ala*y, why can)t you obser$e the Win#5a.ers and the [8]federation,+ Dr! "nderson: +Actually, we)$e tried our remote $iewin# technolo#y on the Win#5a.ers. It was one of the first thin#s we tried. But we #ot nothin#. In fact, it was the first time when our technolo#y was com%letely ineffecti$e. We assumed that the Win#5a.ers had de$elo%ed some form of security that %re$ented remote $iewin#. But we weren)t sure. +As for the [8]federation, they)re fully aware of our remote $iewin# ca%ability, and in fact, we can)t ea$esdro% on the [8]federation because they)re able to detect our %resence if we obser$e them throu#h remote $iewin#. 4o, in deference to their %ri$acy and trustin# their a#enda, we ne$er im%osed our technolo#y on the [8]federation . . . [((] %erha%s only once or twice.+ "nne: +-ou)ll ha$e to for#i$e me Dr. Anderson [Neruda], but I find all of this a little hard to belie$e. We)$e s.immed the surface of about a hundred different sub/ects throu#h the course of this inter$iew, and I .ee% comin# bac. to the same basic issue7 Why, Why would the uni$erse be set u% this way and no one on earth .now about it, Why all the secrecy, Does someone thin. we humans are so stu%id that we couldn)t understand it, And who the hell is this somebody,+ Dr! "nderson: +?nfortunately, there are so many cons%iracies to .ee% this $ital information out of the %ublic domain, that what ends u% in the hands of the %ublic is diluted to the %oint of uselessness. I can understand your frustration. I can only tell you that there are %eo%le who .now about these thin#s, but only 8ifteen .nows about the lar#er reality of what we)$e touched on toni#ht. +In other words, and this is to your %oint, Anne [4arah], there are some %eo%le within the military, #o$ernment, secret networ., N4A, 0IA, etc. that .now %arts of the whole, but they don)t understand the whole. 'hey aren)t e&ui%%ed with the .nowled#e to stand before the media and e*%lain what)s ha%%enin#. 'hey fear that they would be made to a%%ear feeble by the fact that they only .now %ieces of what)s #oin# on. It)s li.e the story of the three blind men who are all touchin# different %arts of an ele%hant and each thin.s it is somethin# different. +8ifteen withholds his .nowled#e from the media and the #eneral %ublic because he doesn)t want to be seen as a sa$ior of humanity (( the ne*t messiah. And he es%ecially doesn)t want to be seen as some frin#e lunatic who should be loc.ed u%, or worse yet, assassinated because he is so misunderstood. 'he instant he ste%%ed forward with what he .nows, he would lose his %ri$acy and his ability to disco$er B4'. And this he)ll ne$er do.

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+5ost %eo%le who .now about this #reater reality are fearful of ste%%in# into the %ublic scrutiny because of the fear of bein# ridiculed. -ou ha$e to admit, that the #eneral %ublic is fri#htened by what it doesn)t understand, and they do .ill the messen#er.+ "nne: +But why can)t we #et e$en %artial truths about this %icture of reality . . . [((] about 6's and the federation, 4omeone, the media or #o$ernment or someone else is .ee%in# this information from us. ;i.e the story you were tellin# me about the 5artians. If this is true and 0linton .nows about this, why aren)t we bein# told,+ Dr! "nderson: +'here)s a cynical %art of me that would say somethin# li.e . . . [((] why do you watch si* hours of tele$ision e$ery day, Why do you feed your minds e*clusi$ely with the o%inions of others, Why do you trust your %oliticians, Why do you trust your #o$ernments, Why do you su%%ort the destruction of your ecosystems and the com%anies and #o$ernments that %er%etrate this destruction, +-ou see, because the whole of humanity allows these thin#s to occur, the wool is %ulled o$er your eyes and it)s easy to ration information and direct your attention to mundane affairs li.e the weather and "ollywood.+ "nne: +'hat)s fine for you to say (( someone who)s IK can)t be charted. But for those of us with a$era#e intelli#ence, what are we su%%osed to do differently that would #i$e us access to this information . . . [((] to this lar#er reality,+ Dr! "nderson: +I don)t .now. I honestly don)t .now. I don)t %retend to ha$e the answers. But somehow humans need to be more demandin# of their #o$ernments and e$en the media. Because the media is a bi# %art of this mani%ulation, thou#h they)re not aware of how they)$e become %awns of the information co$er(u%. +'he truth of the matter is that no one entity is to blame. 6litists ha$e always e*isted since the dawn of man. 'here ha$e always been those who had more a##ression and %ower and would dominate the wea.er of the s%ecies. 'his is the fundamental structure that has bred this condition of information co$er(u%, and it ha%%ens in e$ery sector of society, includin# reli#ion, #o$ernment, military, science, academia, and business. +No one created this %layin# field to be le$el and e&ual for all. It was desi#ned to enable free will and reality selection based on indi$idual %references. And for those who ha$e the mental ca%acity to %robe into these secrets behind the secrets behind the secrets, they usually find %ieces of this lar#er reality (( as you %ut it. It)s not entirely hidden . . . [((] there are boo.s and indi$iduals and e$en %ro%hesies that corroborate much of what I)$e s%o.en of here toni#ht. And these are readily a$ailable to anyone who wants to understand this lar#er uni$erse in which we li$e. +4o, to answer your &uestion7 ) . . . what are we su%%osed to do differently,) I would read and study. I would in$est time learnin# about this lar#er uni$erse and turn off the tele$ision and disconnect from the media. 'hat)s what I would do . . . +

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"nne: +5aybe this is a #ood %lace to wra% thin#s u%. ?nless you ha$e anythin# else you)d li.e to add.+ Dr! "nderson: +3nly one thin#, and that is that if anyone e$er reads this inter$iew, %lease do so with an em%ty mind. If you brin# a mind full of learnin# and education and o%inion, you)ll find so much to ar#ue with in what I)$e said that you)ll not hear anythin#. And I)m not interested in ar#uin# with anyone. I)m not e$en that interested in con$incin# anyone of what I)$e said. 5y life will #o on e$en if no one belie$es me. +'he Win#5a.ers ha$e built a time ca%sule of their culture and it)s ma#nificent. I wish I could ta.e %eo%le to the ori#inal site so they could stand before each of the 21 [twenty(three] chambers and witness these wall %aintin#s in %erson. If you were to do this, you would understand that art can be a %ortal that trans%orts the soul to a different dimension. 'here is a certain ener#y that these %aintin#s ha$e that can)t be translated in mere %hoto#ra%hs. -ou really need to stand inside these chambers and feel the %ur%oseful nature of this time ca%sule. +I thin. if I could do that, you would belie$e e$erythin# I)$e said.+ "nne: +0ould you ta.e someone li.e me to the site,+ Dr! "nderson: +No. ?nfortunately, the security system surroundin# this site is so so%histicated, the site [entrance], for all intents and %ur%oses, is in$isible. All I ha$e are my %hoto#ra%hs . . . .+ "nne: +-ou)re sayin# that if I wal.ed ri#ht u% to the site, I wouldn)t be able to see it,+ Dr! "nderson: +0loa.in# technolo#y is not /ust a science fiction conce%t. It)s been de$elo%ed for more than 2 years. It)s used much more fre&uently than %eo%le reali:e. And I)m not tal.in# about its diluted $ersion of stealth technolo#yC I)m tal.in# about the ability to su%erim%ose a reality construction o$er an e*istin# reality that is [that)s] desired to be hidden. +8or instance, you could wal. ri#ht u% to the entrance of the Ancient Arrow site and see nothin# that would loo. li.e an entrance or o%enin#. 'o the obser$er it would be a flat wall of roc.. And it would ha$e all the characteristics of roc. (( te*ture, hardness and so forth, but it)s actually a reality construction that is su%erim%osed on the mind of the obser$er. In reality the entrance is there, but it can)t be obser$ed because the mind has been du%ed into the %ro/ected reality construction.+ "nne: +<reat, so there)s no way to enter this site and e*%erience this time ca%sule . . . [((] so once a#ain, us little humans are %re$ented from the e*%erience of %roof. -ou see, the reason why this is so hard to belie$e is that nothin# is e$er %ro$enN+ Dr! "nderson: +But isn)t %roof in the eye of the beholder, In other words, what is %roof for you may not con$ince another or $ice a $ersa. Isn)t this the way of all reli#ions and e$en science, 4cientists claim to ha$e %roof of this theory or that theory, and then some years later,

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another scientist comes alon# and dis%ro$es the %re$iously held theory. And on and on this #oes.+ "nne: +4o what)s your %oint,+ Dr! "nderson: +Broof is not absolute. It)s not e$en ob/ecti$e. And what you)re loo.in# for is an e*%erience that is %ermanent and %erfect in its e*%ression of truth. And such an e*%erience, if it indeed e*ists, is not owned or %ossessed by any secret networ. or elitist or#ani:ation or #alactic federation for that matter. +-ou could ha$e this e*%erience of absolute %roof tomorrow, and the $ery ne*t day, doubt would be#in to cree% in and in a matter of wee.s or months this %roof or absolute truth that you as%ire to %ossess . . . [((] it would be /ust a memory. And %robably not e$en a %owerful memory because so much doubt would be infused into it. +No, I can)t #i$e you or anyone absolute %roof. I can only tell you what I .now to be true for me and try to share it as accurately as I .now how with anyone who)s interested. I)m less interested in tryin# to relate the cosmolo#y of the uni$erse than I am in #ettin# the story of the Win#5a.ers and [the artifacts of] their time ca%sule into the %ublic attention. 'he %ublic should .now about this story. It)s a disco$ery of un%aralleled im%ortance and it should be shared.+ "nne: +-ou do reali:e don)t you, that you)$e made me the messen#er, -ou)$e as.ed me to be the one who ta.es the %ublic scrutiny and sus%icions, and has to endure all of the ridicule . . . + Dr! "nderson: +I)m not as.in# you to do anythin# a#ainst your will, Anne. If you ne$er do anythin# with the materials I)$e #i$en you, I)d understand. All I)d as. is that you return them to me if you)re not #oin# to #et them out. If I ste% forward as the messen#er, I would lose my freedom. If you ste% forward, this story could cata%ult your career and you)re only doin# your /ob. -ou)re not the messen#er, you)re the transmitter . . . [((] the media. +But you must do what you thin. best. And I)d understand your decision whate$er you decide.+ "nne: +3.ay, let)s wra% it u% there. I don)t want you to #et the wron# im%ression that I)m a total disbelie$er. But I)m a /ournalist and it)s my res%onsibility to $alidate and cross chec. stories before I %ublish them. And with you, I can)t do this. And what you)re tellin# me, if it)s true, is the bi##est story e$er to be told. But I can)t ta.e this to the media (( at least not the com%any I wor. for, because they would ne$er %ublish it. No $alidation . . . [((] no story. Dr! "nderson: +-es, I understand. But I)$e shown you some of the A0I3 technolo#ies and %hotos of the site and its contents, so these must be some form of $alidation.+ "nne: +8or me it is, but it doesn)t $alidate all the many claims you)$e made toni#ht. 8or all I .now, this "olo#ra%hic 8ractal 3b/ect technolo#y you showed me is not so unusual or e*traordinary. I)m not a #ood /ud#e of these thin#s. And e$en if it were, it certainly doesn)t $alidate the e*istence of a #alactic federation or the Win#5a.ers for that matter. [8or me, it $alidates that somethin# is #oin# on that I)$e ne$er heard about. Namely, the A0I3 is a new

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or#ani:ation that)s ne$er been tal.ed about (( at least not in my /ournalistic circles. But your %hoto#ra%hs and stories don)t $alidate what you)$e e*%lained toni#ht. 'hey)re in the cate#ory of teasers. 4omethin# the National 6n&uirer is fond of broadcastin#, but this isn)t the brand of /ournalism I subscribe to.+ Dr. Neruda7 +;et)s tal. some more in the ne*t few days. 'a.e the time to read some of the materials translated from the o%tical disc, and in the meantime, /ust be neutral. 3.ay,+ 4arah7 +Don)t assume I)m not interested, or too much a s.e%tic to do anythin# with this stuff. I /ust need some time to #et my bearin#s as to what I should do with this story and the e$idence you)$e %ro$ided.+] Dr! "nderson: +Well . . . %erha%s you)re ri#ht . . . we should end this inter$iew. I %romised you se$eral inter$iews before I left. Are we still on for tomorrow ni#ht,+ "nne: +-es.[But how more is there than what you)$e already e*%lained,+ Dr. Neruda7 +We)$e only touched on the surface of a small %ortion of the story.+ 4arah7 +'hat)s a little hard to belie$e, but let)s %ic. u% tomorrow ni#ht, then.+] Dr! "nderson: +'han.s for your interest in my story, Anne [4arah]... I .now it sounds fanciful and outlandish, but at least you)$e shown restraint in writin# me off as a lunatic. And for that, you ha$e my than.s. +<oodni#ht, Anne.+ "nne: +<oodni#ht.+ [4arah7 +-ou)re $ery welcome.+] 6nd of 4ession

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