SYSTEMATIC

We see things clearly

We'
re here
to service you - Help
you make the right
record b uying d ecision.
NO Attitud es
and
NO Song S. D ance
I

Simple as that . . .
Wholesale & Mail Ord er
NEW TITLES FROM:
U . S. A
. , G ermany, Italy, Norw ay, France, Sw ed en, Canad a, England ,
Finland , P oland S . Australia
SYSTEMATIC ex clusive: Weird System
WRITE OR CALL FOR FREE CATALOG
1 3 3 1 FOLSOM ST San Francisco, CA 9 4 1 0 3 ( 4 1 5 ) 4 3 1 - 9 3 7 7
T O P
i
M A X I M U M H O C K N N O [ 1
RAD IO STATIONS: MRR Rad io show s are now
availab le for stations only. Cassettes are $5 per
show . Contact Ruth Schw artz at P . O . Box 9 88
San Francisco CA 9 4 1 0 1
For w hat it' s w orth, here are the Max imum Rock' n' Roll crew ' s current Top
1 5 lists. P lease send us your record s or tapes ( 2 copies of vinyl, if ~~
possib le- - one for review and one for airplay. The ad d ress is
: MAR/ P . O.
Box 288/ Berkeley CA 9 4 7 0 1 .
nO P ARTICU LAR ORD ER
1
MAIL ORD ER:
U . S. & CANAD A: Current & b ack issues availab le
from U . S. ad d ress at b ottom of page . Copies are
$1 . 5 0 each/ 6 issue sub for $9
U . K . : Current & b ack issues availab le from MRR/
P . O
. Box 5 9 / Lond on N22/ England . Copies are
1 . 25 each/ 6 issue sub for 7 . 5 0 . Write this
ad d ress for European w holesale info
EU ROP E: Current & b ack issues availab le from
U . K . ad d ress ab ove. Copies are $2 each/ 6 issue
sub for $1 2
AU STRALIA. ASIA. AFRICA: Current & b ack
issues are availab le from U . S. ad d ress b elow
Copies are $3
. 5 0 each/ 6 issue sub for $21
SOU TH AMERICA: Current & b ack issues are
availab le from U . S. ad d ress b elow . Copies are $3
each/ 6 issue sub for $1 8
DEA DLI N ES FO R N EX T I SSU E:
Scene Reports: Continuously
Ad Reservations : Now , in ord er to b e guaranteed
Ad Copy In: 1 st of month
Issue Out : 1 5 th of month
AD SIZES AND RATES:
1 /6 page
: ( 2 1 /2 w id e x 5 d ow n) $20
1 /3 page: ( 5 w id e x 5 d ow n) $4 0
1 /2 page
: ( 7 1 /2 w id e x 5 d ow n) $5 0
BACK ISSU ES AVAILABLE:
Issues #9 - 25
SHITWORKERS
Jeff Bale

Anna Chapman

Erikka
Jerry Booth

Ruth Schw artz

Scott
Kent Jolly

G eoff Tomlinson Tim Y

P ushead

Steve Spinali

The Ed ge
Rick Stott

Murray Bow les

D eb orah
Cover art:Instigators/ D esign
:P ushead
C O N T RI BU T O RS
Roger Armstrong
Asb estos Rockpyle
Jose Ed uard o C
Ralf Wiegand t
D onny the P unk
D ave Westlake
G erard Miltzine
D ru Van D usen
Antonio Cecchi
Martha Jutton
Winnie
Chris BCT
Tasha
Mouse
Frank
AP OSTLES- Smash the Spectacle- EP
CLYNG - ONS- Hid e Your Eskimos- TP
D EMENTIA- 1 2"
KAAOS- Satkynukke- EP
MAU MAU S- Fear No Evil- LP
MENTAL ABU SE- Streets
of Filth- LP
NEU ROTIC ARSEHOLES- Angst- LP
OFFEND ERS- End less Struggle- LP
REVU LSION- Ever G et the Feeling
. . : 1 2"
SCHWEINEP EST- Wir Wollen Leb en- EP
TOY D OLLS- A Far Out D isc- LP
V/A- France P rofund e- LP
V/A- What D oesn' t Hurt us. . - LP
ALTERNATIVE- It They Treat You Like Shit- LP
AP OSTLES- Smash the Spectacle- EP
TERVEET KAD ET- The Horse- LP
VIA- What D oesn' t Hurt You . . . - LP
D ISP ERAZIONE- Sempre- EP
D IRECT ACTION- Trapped in a World - LP
MEATMEN- War of the Superb ikes- LP
C. O. C. - Animosity- LP
NEG ATIVE FX- LP
SACRILIG E- TP
CONCRETE SOX- TP
MARG INAL MAN- D oub le Image- LP
V/A- What a Way to D ie- LP
FRI GH T WI G- C at Far m Faboo- LP
FLIES- G et Wise- LP
SONIC YOU TH- Bad MoonRising- 1 2"
P SYCHED ELIC HALLWAY- P ieces of your Mind - EP
EXOD U S- Bond ed b y Blood - LP
INSTIG ATORS- It Has G ot To Be Stopped - TP
TAILG ATORS- Sw amp Rock- LP
RACHEL & NICKI- Michael Fish- EP
A C C U SED- M ar t ha Splat t er head- 1 2"
C . O . C . - A ni m os i t y- LP
D U KES OF STRATOSP HEAR- 25 O' Clock- 1 2"
D U B SYND ICATE- Tunes From the Missing Channel- LP
U G LYAMERICANS- In My. . . - LP
SCREAM- This Sid e U p- LP
D ESCEND ENTS- New LP
MINOR THREAT- Salad D ays- EP
CHRIST ON P ARAD E- TP
C. O . C. - Animosity- LP
SNFU - Any!!!!!!!
Any BAD BRAINS
HENRY ROLLINS- Book
OFFEND ERS- End less Struggle- LP
ACCU SED - Martha Splatterhead - 1 2"
JU STICE LEAG U E- Think Or Sink- EP
WA- Cleanse the Bacteria- LP
BEASTIE BOYS- Rock Hard - 1 2"
D AVID BOWIE- Any early stuff
ICONS OF FILTH- LP
Chris D od ge
Tony Meaney
Chris Miller
Michelle Cali
Mykel Board
Charles Allen Jr
Kurt Beers
Herman Mutant
Arianne & Kelli
G len E Fried man
Joe Bo
The Mess
Dave U X B
Lisa Bat
AI Quint
m
s o
e
ACCU SED - Martha Splatterhead - 1 2"
ACTIVE ING RED IENTS- Bringing D ow n the.
. - EP
BETON COMBO- 23 Skid oo- 1 2"
D EMENTIA- 1 2"
D ICKS- These P eople- LP
LOST G ENERATION- Victim- LP
MENTAL ABU SE- Streets of Filth- LP
OFFEND ERS- End less Struggle- LP
OFFBEATS- 1 Can See Yr House
. . - EP
R . A. F . G IER- Sheer Heart Attack- EP
SOCIAL U NREST- SU 20 0 0 - LP
TAR BABIES- Respect Your Nightmares- 1 2"
WA- France P rofund e- LP
V/A- P utrid Evil- flex i
ACTIVE ING RED IENTS- Bringing D ow n the
. . - EP
CLYNG - ONS- Hid e Your Eskimos- TP
RKL- Keep Laughing- LP
V/A- France P rofund e- LP
MIR- Mind ecision- TP
REVU LSION- Ever G et the Feeling. . - 1 2"
TERVEET KAD ET- The Horse- LP
BORN W/O A FACE- Freakshow - TP
MENTAL ABU SE- Streets
of Filth- LP
D ISP ERAZIONE- Sempre- EP
D IRECT ACTION- Trapped in a World - LP
TOY D OLLS- A Far Out D isc- LP
V/A- What D oesn' t Hurt U s.
. - LP
STEMS- 4 5 /OLYMP IC SID EBU RNS- LP
SOCIAL U NREST- SU 20 0 0 - LP
D C3 - This is the D ream- LP
BREAKING CIRCU S- Very Long Fuse- 1 2"
SOCIAL U NREST- SU 20 0 0 - LP
FLAMING LIP S- LP /D EJA VOOD OO- LP
7 SECOND S- Walk Together, Rock Together- 1 2"
YO- Charm World - LP
NEU ROTIC ARSEHOLES- Angst- LP
MINOR THREAT- Salad D ays- EP
KINA- LP /TARNFARBE- LP
SNFU - LP
INSTIG ATORS- Nob od y Listens . . - LP
BLACK FLAG - Loose Nut- LP
D D T- Broken Toy- LP
BACKWATER- Revelation- LP
TAR BABIES- Respect Your Nightmares- 1 2"
0
0
1
0
z
m
JOHN LEE HOOKER- U A Box Set- LP s
JAND EK- All
SWANS
JA R BO E- TP
LYD IA LU NCH- All photos
D EATH IN JU NE- Nad a- LP
P REVARICATORS- Snub Culture- LP
U ZI- D emo & Live show s
HAREM SCAREM- D ogman- 1 2"
FLAMING LIP S- 1 2"
Steve Alb ini' s head
CRAP D ETECTORS- Cut TheCrap- LP
LAU G HING CLOWNS- Law of Nature- LP
HENRYROLLINS- 2, ' 1 3 /61 - b ook
Any BIRTHD AY P ARTY rip- off b and s
I M U M
C K N RO I I
RA DI O
SELL MRR AT G IG S
: If you' re interested in
d oing this in your area, contact us for info on
cheap prices.
READ ERS: If your local record or magazine
store isn' t carrying MRR or runs out of them too
quickly and d oesn' t reord er, please let us know
the name of the place so w e can tell our
d istrib utors
. Your input is essential.
P lease continue to send all record s, tapes, letters,
articles, photos, etc. , to:
MAXIMU M ROCK' N' ROLL
P . O . BOX 288
BERKELEY CA 9 4 7 0 1
WJRH Easton P A 9 0 . 5 FM Mon 1 1 P M
WEFT Champaign IL 9 0 . 1 FM call sta
WCTR Fond D u Lac WI Thur 1 :3 0 P M call sta
WAIF Cincinnati OH Wed s 9 P M call sta
KU G S Bellingham WA 9 . 5 FM Wed 1 0 P M
KJHK Law rence KS 9 1 FM Mon Mid n
KZU M Lincoln NE 9 9
. 3 FM Thur 1 0 :3 0 P M
WZRD Chicago IL 88. 3 FM Sun 1 P M
KCP R San Luis Ob ispo CA 9 1 . 3 FM Sat 7 P M
CJSR Ed monton ALTA call sta
KFAI Minneapolis MN 9 0 . 3 FM Sat 7 P M
WD JM Framingham MA 9 1
. 3 FM Wed 8:3 0 P M
KU OI Moscow ID 89
. 3 FM Sat 1 1 P M
WX DR N ew ar k DE 9 1 . 3FM M on 6P M
WGBW Gr een Bay WI 9 1 . 5FM T hur 1 1 P M
WK DU P hi ladelphi a P A 9 1 . 7 FM T ues M i dn
WH RS St or r s C T 9 1 . 7 FM Sat 2A M
C FM U H am i lt on O N T 9 3
. 3FM c all s t a
C K DU H ali fax N S 9 7 . 5FM M on 8P M
WK K L W
. Bar ns t able M A c all s t a
KCSB Santa Barb ara CA 9 2FM Wed 1 1 P M
WCSB Cleveland OH 89 . 3 FM Wed 1 1 AM
KP FA Berkeley CA 9 4
. 1 FM Tues 9 P M
KFCF Fresno CA 88. 1 FM Tues 9 P M
KHSU Arcata CA 9 1 . 5 FM Thur 1 1 P M
KRCL Salt Lake City U T 9 0 . 1 FM 1 AM
ON THE AIR
Fur''
:LZ
-
~~ALOG.
,
OP D,5-P
W1Tt 1 . -
c!
EO!2OP ?AW
U.
r
JA,PA t= SF,.
SPFEVCOrz
4 !, $,AIAVF,
tZFIXAS S
ML`
r[ MO
iS.!
JL J0 0 0 G 0 r. 0
LJBIL
p
f
iglLylfj@ill
t,
i
rt- Rr
L9 LOL

:
;4 t

11
r

1 r

~~~, L- Via_.
. ;

"
94 f r
1

L
41
~~

- ,

' ~a1
Jf fa

~9 o9
: . ;,

oD 9 yn
r:yc' ' ;f

Jrl- r
o
ri 4 @r u
p"

rtf
JL

fir urr

j1 Lk' r
q
~fq~lLl

l
tt
ril fj , ,
. . ,
y

~
1 ~

irjLtirlr
irj
l

L~in`p61
.

o
A

iit
R

1 ~

L fjLJL

L r1 l
r1 L
2' 1
0 4 1 G
.
1
. i' Tr6, IvrJ
ir1
J~ALJL
r
1 LJ~
rJi
f> 1
B
ir , J 4 ,
r~62~~~LrJl r
JlJL' +L rArA
' c
art
r
YJlJN
I
Lf1 1
SL9 t
Ji6lr
grx Er
. i2J1 tr1 ~~
'
L
trlrjf@t
g1 rL
i, of1 L
ir lr
JLt
E0 J
L 1 5 i
1 G l
flr
5 0 lrk.
~ ' JcS
iv, ~4 p9 er
1 ~ ~~
yr , i OL r
i~J~G ~1 E71JL i
G l' 0 0 1 CriB9 1 5 irAnO r
1 rigizri Jil4 5
r
iL1
5 a5 O5 E5
pr
, u r
1 rlan 1 , 29 fk
V0 5 S,
Jll
D I5 i- f2ygl 4 r`ON
CONTACT U 1 S !
3 7 5 WEST 4 0 0 s! SALT LAVE ' tTV Cl- t~A4 9 4 1 0 1
D ear MRR,
Tw ice I' ve w ritten a letter to your
mag and tw ice it hasn' t b een pub lished . I
d on' t und erstand w hy they haven' t b een
pub lished , as I felt they had something to
say
. What is the criteria for a letter to b e
printed ?
Ann Ab b ot/ 4 4 1 W 4 9 th #8/ NY, NY
1 0 0 1 9
D ear Ann,
The criteria for chhosing letters
varies. First of all, w e
receive anyw here
from 1 0 - 4 0 letters a d ay, so w e can' t
print all . We then try to pick intelligent
letters. Beyond that, w e' ll print some of
those that are in response to prior letters
or articles, ones that initiate new sub jects,
ones that d on' t repeat w hat others have
said , ones that say something clearer than
others, ones that have a b izarre or
humorous slant, etc
. Also, several of the
staff of MRR open and hand le the mail, so
d ecisions on w hat gets chosen are
somew hat arb itrary, d epend ing on w ho' s
d oing the mail that d ay, or w hat kind of
mood they' re in
. Those letters that are
pretty controversial get put asid e for
d iscussion b y a b igger group of
people.
None of this may seem very fair to
you, b ut given the d imensions of the task,
I think it w orks fairly w ell
. One thing I
can suggest to read ers w ho w ant to get
letters printed is to keep them to a
minimum in length, try to stick to one ( or
mayb e tw o) sub ject, and b e as succinct as
possib le. Thanks, Tim
D ear MRR,
In general, there is little to complain
ab out in w hat MRR is d oing for the
w orld w id e punk scene. But there is one
thing you should take b etter care of, and
this concerns the flyer reprod uced w ith
the NY scene report in issue #22.
D id n' t you see w hat it stand s for?
And if you d id , w hy the hell d id you
pub lish it? You should not support the
things propagand ized b y this b and
( CRO- MAG S) . I know I' m not the only
person w ho noticed this. I think your
read ers d eserve an ex planation ab out w hy
you pub lished that flyer!
Johan/ Nieuw eKoekrand zine/ Alb ert
Cuypstraat

1 0 0 /

1 0 7 2 CX Amsterd am/
Holland
MRR :
Now I really am angry tow ard you,
MRR! I never am, b ecause I like MRR for
several reasons. One of these is that you
take a clear stance against racism, fascism,
sex ism and frequently- - w hen it comes
up- - against anti- gay violence and
oppression.
The more I am angry that- - d espite
your fine talk- - you insert a d raw ing going
w ith the NY scene report ( issue 22) of a
CRO- MAG S gig.
D id you at least take a good look at
it? There' s this CRO- MAG thing ab out
hassling someone w ith something like a
hand b ag ( how funny) and a new spaper
that says things like "perverted new s "
( supposed ly a gay new spaper) and "gay"
to make it very clear to w hom this assault
is meant w ith a chain
. Now , you and me
call this gay- or fag- b ashing. So
w hy- - spite of your stance against this- -
d o you insert this d raw ing?
Apparently you manage to just put
things in your mag w ithout critically
looking at it.
Now , I am not offend ed b y this
d raw ing itself . It mad e me smile and a
feeling of pity came up to me. I know this
d raw ing is coming from a sick mind . The
hard er people yell against something, the
closer they are to it themselves, for they
are afraid of it.
Most queer b ashers turn out to b e
gay or have homosex ual feelings tow ard
men
. They have to b eat up gays to prove
for their "friend s" and especially for
themselves that they are real "men" and
have no such feelings.
A very clear ex ample is this one: the
Nazis persecuted and murd ered thousand s
of gays b ecause first : gays can' t live up
to

stand ard s

of

Nazi- state

and ,
second ly,

( main

reason) paranoia and

homophob ia.
In Nazi G ermany and Italy a very
d istinct d ivision w as mad e b etw een men
and w omen. Women had to go b ack to their
sinks and d ishes and reprod uce a lot of
child ren to fill the armies. Men had to rule
pub lic life everyw here, ( w omen w ere
d ismissed from w ork) , army, w ork, and a
view of how men had to b ehave in pub lic
life

w as

propagand ized :

strong,
prod uctive,

hard ,

b lond ,

w anting to
sacrifice himself for the fascist id eals.
Since there w ere no w omen around
the men living in male communities in SA,
SS, etc. , it w as very logical that men
w ould seek comfort and affection w ith each
other . This, in fact, happens in prisons,
w ars, etc.
The more men live in closed
communities, the more it' s likely they "d o
it" w ith each other.
Now even if men touched each other
on the should er you risked b eing sent to a
concentration camp.
I think w e all sometimes have feelings
w e think b adob ecause parents, school,
church, society structures said these
feelings are b ad and w e try to put these
aw ay in one w ay or another. It' s normal.
But if you start b eating up someone for
w hat he or she is d oing w hat you try to
put aw ay- - that' s b ad b ecause the first one
to b e b lamed is yourself for not b eing
honest

to

yourself.

That ' s

w hy
gays/lesb ians,

b lacks, child ren,

w omen,
etc. are b eing oppressed - - w e- - as so- called
minorities- - represent

the

things

you
learned are b ad . We are the people our
minorities- - represent the things you
learned are b ad
. We are the people our
parents w arned us against.
When punk started it mad e no
d ifference w hether you w ere b lack,
gay/lesb ian, or w hat
. We w ere all fighting
for the first time together for our lives,
against all the people and institutions w ho
ed ucated us: marriage, church, having
child ren, making a career, d ie for your
country, have a mortgage on your house,
consume as much as possib le. What d o you
think gays are fighting against- - especially
those ( such as me) from low er classes w ho
have no means to b uy your "freed om"?
It' s real b ullshit to see this : it' s
b ecoming more and more a tab oo w ithin the
punk scene to d o as you please, to feel
free w ith your
ow n people. It strikes me
as w ell that so many American b and s have
somew here in their lyrics things like: you
look like a faggot, " "fucking queer, " etc.
I hard ly hear this from b and s from other
countries.
Anyw ay, there' s a lot more to say
ab out this
. I w ould like other punx and
skins to w rite me ab out your ex periences
as ab ove. Thanx , Ray; P O Box 84 3 / 680 0
AV Arnhem Holland
D ear read ers,
Over the course of many issues, MRR
has raised the issue of reactionary values
permeating the punk scene. For a w hile
there, w e had received scores of letters
from punks in the NY City area
complaining ab out violence, homophob ia,
and nationalism in the scene. We printed
many of them, w hich raised a hue and cry
from others in the NY area, complaining
that MRR w as "anti- NY" or something.
( the fact that w e' ve printed even more
complaints ab out such tend encies in our
ow n San Francisco scene d id n' t seem to
matter) . Anyhow , the point is that MRR is
ob viously very opposed to such values,
and has mad e that clear time and time
again. When w e received the flyer in
question, w e printed it w ithout comment,
choosing to let it speak for itself. The
b and ( CRO- MAG S) either have some very
tw isted values or an unforunate sense of
"humor"
. I' m glad that several read ers
cared enough to comment on that flyer,
and w ish more read ers w ould take the
initiative in pointing out such stupid ity.
"Free Speech" is one thing, b ut it' s much
more d ifficult to take responsib ility for
encouraging violence and ignorance w ith
one' s "art" .

Tim
D ear MRR:
I' d like to b ring up the topic of
suicid e
. Suicid e is not the answ er to your
shitty prob lems, counseling is
. Suicid e is a
permanent answ er to a temporary prob lem.
I can almost guarantee that everything w ill
b e b etter soon. I tried to kill myself b ut
ob viously I d id n' t d ie
. I d id go to hell and
b ack though
. I tried to overd ose on a
b unch of pills and alcohol and I felt like
shit cuz it w as on my mom' s b irthd ay and
they could n' t take me to the hospital cuz
there w as half a house full of guests, . so
they just left me in my room and gave me
med icine to make me throw up and all d ay
and all night I w as b arfing and screaming
at the top of my lungs for them to let me
d ie, fuck off, etc.
When I w ent b ack to school my
friend s had suspected that something had
happened and they w ere ex tra caring and
they let me cry and talk to them . I knew
that they really cared then. Everything
from that d ay on w as going my w ay. I
w ent to a counselor for aw hile, till I
d ecid ed that I can hand le things other
than w ith suicid e. I also am ex tra careful
ab out other people' s feelings tow ard s
suicid e. One of my b est friend s w as going
through a lot of shit and w anted to end it
w ith suicid e and she told me, so I d id all I
could to prevent her from even trying it.
And , yes, I d id prevent her from trying.
Now everything is totally cool w ith her.
See, things d o get b etter eventually . I' m
glad that I d id n' t d ie.
I also agree w ith Brian Thrope in
issue #22. . . Suicid e need s to b e talked
ab out and something need s to b e d one to
save our teens. If I w ould have know n
that things might get b etter I might have
not tried to kill myself
. P lease w rite ab out
it in the future. You might help someone
w ith a d ecision that w ill last the rest of
that person' s life. Thanx . If anyone has
anything to say, w rite me:
Kris/ 3 5 0 5 S. Wood land P 1 . / Santa Ana,
CA 9 27 0 7
D ear MRR:
Last Saturd ay I w as d ow ntow n here in
Topeka, and there w as an anti- ab ortion
march! With signs like "Thanx mom for not
flushing me d ow n the toilet, " "Ab ortion is
murd er, " and so on.
This makes me really mad ! They' re
trying to b an ab ortions! This w ould not
solve anything, if nothing else it w ould
cause more prob lems
. Ab ortions w ould still
go on! But the facilities w ould not b e
fed erally regulated , so they w ould not b e
as safe as the ones now .
The w omen not b eing ab le to find
these illegal facilities w ould attempt
ab ortions on their ow n, w hich could result
in not only killing the fetus, b ut possib ly
the mother.
I' m not saying I' m for ab ortion! But I
d o b elieve people should have the right to
choose for themselves! But if Jerry Falw ell
has his w ay, people w ill lose this right!
What w ill b e nex t?
Jerry Falw ell' s follow ers are called the
"moral majority" b ut there are only 3
million of them in the U S; this is a
minority! Should w e let this minority
d ictate to the majority w hat' s right and
w hat' s w rong?! Will this country ultimately
b ecome a d ictatorship?
Let us strive for pro- choice! Let us
make d ecisions for ourselves!
P lease w rite and view your opinions
on this, or any sub ject . Or if you' re just
looking for a pen- pal, w rite me.
Chris P ain/ 1 7 28 Amhurst/ Topeka, KS
6660 4
D ear MRR:
This is d irected to all the girls out
there w ho w ant to play in a b and . D o it
now , b efore it' s too late. I d id n' t start
playing til 4 years ago w hen a friend
introd uced me to punk and hard core. For
a w hile I w as in a b and , b ut I quit w hen
the rest of the b and d ecid ed to start d oing
sappy songs b ecause they thought w e w ere
too "hard " and w ould turn people off . For
the past year I' ve b een locking myself in
my room to practice for hours every d ay.
Now that I feel like I' m read y to form a
b and of my ow n, I' m afraid no one w ill
w ant to play w ith me since I' m 3 2 years
old . I' ve put ad s up in the local music
stores and all I got w as one call from
And y. He asked me how old I w as, and
w hen I told him he laughed and said he
d id n' t think I' d like him b ecause he w as so
much younger than me. He said he' d call
me b ack b ut never d id . I haven' t given
up, b ut I d o feel d isheartened ab out it.
It' s like in the movie "Wild in the Streets"
w here everyone over 3 0 is given a d ose of
acid and put in a concentration camp.
Mayb e I' m a case of arrested d evelopment.
Mayb e it' s time to have b ab ies, read
"Woman' s- D ay, " and listen to the b lues.
Well, fuck my rub b er gloves, any
suggestions as to w hat I can d o from
d row ning in hopelessness w ill b e greatly
appreciated - - b ut w ait, I may not listen,
cause you might b e slot younger than me.
Helga the Eld er
1 5 0 3 A E. 20 th St.
Austin, TX 7 87 22
MRR :
It' s ab out time I w rote this cuz it
really pisses me off . In reply to Bob from
the b and interview P LAIN WRAP , w hat a
silly little fuckhead
. I' m sick and tired of
"people" w ho have to go round proving
w hat b ig men and w omen they are, talking
ab out how much they love sex .
Bob from P LAIN WRAP said "some guy
got his nose b roken the first night and
really enjoyed it, like it w as sex or
something
. " In regard to the good as sex
b it, w hat' s he trying to prove? What a man
he is? If he enjoys sex that much he
w ould n' t have to prove it to everyone, and
if he d id , w hy?
This is not the only ex ample I have
heard , people say things such as "Oh,
tripping is great, , nearly as great as
sex " . The person w ho said this w as a
certified virgin.
I say stop all this b ullshit, stop
trying to prove things to your mates, real
friend s w ill accept you anyw ay you are.
If you enjoy sex , good on you, that' s
w ond erful, b ut that' s b etw een you and the
other person concerned .
It seems to b e if you' re not b ragging
ab out how much you love your sex life to
everyone ( most people w ho d o, theirs is
non- ex istent anyw ay) , you' re not w ell.
Also, if you' re against sex ism, you
ob viously are hung up ab out sex - - this is
BU LLSHIT, w anting equality b etw een
people has nothing to d o w ith your sex
life, that' s w hat some assholes w ould like
to w rite it off too, and girls get off your
fucking asses, get yourself a b and going,
or a fanzine, anything, just d on' t sit there
w atching your b oyfriend !
In every MRR there' s ab out four girls
in every magazine ( if you' re lucky)
compared to the 4 0 0 guys in it . FU CK
THIS. A real change from the
system- - w hat a joke. Come on people,
something' s gotta b e d one ab out this,
reject your b rainw ash.
Love, peace, freed om, Lyd ia Richard son/
flat 1 7 / 23 0 St . G eorge' s Tce/ P erth 60 0 0
West Australia.
D ear MRR:
This is Steve from Canad a telling
Morgan from Canad a to fuck off! ( Morgan
w as the nice person w ho told us to spell
properly. )
Your tw o lessons w ere useless
b ecause
they w ere b oth correcting errors
w hich are trivial and have no effect on the
meaning of the sentence. If a few spelling
errors make the message unclear to you, if
you can' t figure out w hat people are
saying, then you' re the one w ith the
prob lem, not them for putting an
apostrophe in the w rong place.
When someone SAYS the w ord
"your" or "you' re", you und erstand it b y
its contex t, so w hy not the same w hen you
read it?
use computers to
telecommunicate, and people on pub lic
b ulletin b oard s say b asically the same
thing as you all the time. It seems to me
that they d on' t have anything to say, b ut
w ant to say something ( or get their name
in MRR) ,

so they pick on people' s

spelling.
You should b e concerned w ith w hat
people say ( w hich I' m sure you are) and
stop w orrying ab out how imperfectly they
say it
. If w e corrected every mistake that
occurred , w e' d b e so b usy that w e
w ould n' t have anytime to say anything.
And b esid es: d id you ever think
that there' s prob ab ly a reason for people' s
mistakes, like mayb e a poor ed ucation
system? Are you going to start telling
b lacks or w ymyn ( or any other oppressed )
to smarten up? A lot of things are out of
people' s control, includ ing w here they live
and w hat kind of ed ucation they get.
On the other had , as for Erikka' s
response ab out d eciphering letter : I d on' t
think she should have to . I think that
people w ith shitty w riting ( not all, b ut at
least some) w ould try to make it legib le,
although I realize not everyone has a
typew riter so that the folks at MRR could
d o more of w hat they w ant to d o and less
of w hat w e make them d o in the name of
open- mind ed ness.
Lastly: I heard the interview w ith
D ee D ee Ramone on the rad io show a w hile
ago and thought he w as an id iot, although
I d id n' t know w ho it w as at the time
. The
same interview appeared last issue.
D efinite rules for punk? HA! P unk should
provid e alternatives to mainstream thought
and music, b ut also alternatives to itself,
to stay d iverse and open to all forms of
ex pression.
Steve D . / "Who Reall Cares" zine/ 9 0 4 - B
Elmsmere D r
. / G loucester, Ont/ KU 7 T6/
Canad a
D ear MRR:
Hey,

listen:

this is my d efinitive
reply to those w ho hope to make "animal
rights" the unquestionab le issue of the
d ay. Last year I w rote a pamphlet called
"Animal Rights vs. Human Rights. " Since
then, I' ve d istrib uted hund red s of copies
and includ ed it in my b ook, in hope of
opening some intelligent d eb ate on the
sub ject and d iscovering w hat motivates
animal rights activists. By now , I am quite
convinced that the w hole issue is
nonsense, and there is no rational ground s
for human recognition of animal rights. All
I have encountered is constant b ab b ling
ab out the specifics of animal "torture, " as
if d isgust should b e proper ground s for
rights. Some people may b e d isgusted b y
tales of b lood and gore, others may not.
What d oes this prove? Such thoughtless
emotional appeal is just as d espicab le here
as it is w hen self- proclaimed right- to- lifers
show their pictures of ab orted fetuses
w ithout b othering to ex plain w hy b asic
human rights should b e violated to prevent
such "horror".
I b elieve that all non- humans are
amoral and therefore can not have rights
nor recognize the rights of others. They
are b iological machines that live and act
for ab solutely no purpose or d irection
ex cept their instincts. Humans, on the
other other hand , possess a unique
self- esteem w hich allow s us to live and act
how ever w e please. This free w ill is the
reason for b eing sub ject to concepts of
right and w rong
; of justice; of morality
and rights.
Instead of going on and on ab out the
"pain" and "suffering" animals are
ex periencing, w hy are the animal rights
activists so unw illing or unab le to ex plain
w hy, ex actly, should this b e of any
concern? A simple question, I think . Also,
w hy is this concern only b eing applied to
animals, and not to insects, b acteria,
plants, or inanimate ob jects? I have b een
told that "animals are d ifferent b ecause
they feel pain, " and "animals are ab ove a
certain ( arb itrary, I think) level of
intelligence, " yet everyone seems to come
up empty w hen I ask w hat these things
have to d o w ith having rights.
P ut up or shut up . I' m open to
anyone w ho feels like INTELLIG ENTLY
d iscussing this or other issues, b ut
please, no more "emotional appeal" . This
latest assault on human rights must either
b e justified somehow or put to rest,
b ecause

these

tirad es

ab out

"animal
torture" aren' t proving anything.
Richard A. / Box 1 60 0 2/ Arlington, VA
2221 5 P S- - Blake d oesn' t care ab out animal
rights either.
D ear MRR:
A w ord or tw o ab out meat.
A- - I eat some meat ( b ut w ould rather
not) .
B- - I ob ject to meat not b ecause of
principle b ut farming processes
. Lemme
ex plain:
If you think meat comes from farmer
Brow n w ho has chickens and cow s running
loose in his b ackyard , think again. Even
though stud ies have show n there is no
profit in it, tod ay' s farmers say "factory
farming" saves money ( certified b ullshit!) .
P igs and cow s, if not b eing b red to the
point of d angerous inb reed ing, live their
lives in b ox es hard ly b ig enough to stand
in . No movement is allow ed and the
animals are almost force- fed
. This is
nothing compared to chickens.
Have you seen the w ay tod ay' s
chickens are grow n? Holy shit! They are
crammed in their b uild ings so tightly that
the only w ay to move is over one another.
Laying hens are caged in b ox es no b igger
than themselves! This is just the tip of
the iceb erg.
Since this method of farming helps
transmit d iseases ( contrary to factory farm
proponents) , the animals must b e injected
w ith costly antib od ies . The more antib iotics
are given, the more resistant b acteria
b ecome- - ergo, need new med icine- - ergo,
price goes up.
Not only that, to save money, animals
are saturated w ith grow th hormones and
supervitamins to speed them on to
ax e- d ay.
I w on' t go b eyond this point, cause
b y now most people know ab out b utcher
shops, sausages, etc. With the old w ay of
meat prod uction, it w as cruel, b ut the
animals could LIVE!!! healthy, normal,
mayb e even happy ( sometimes) lives
. Now ,
any d ignity or normalcy an animal may
have had is d estroyed . Kind a makes you
other non- vegans w anna pukc, eh?
If you' re going to b e vegan, have a
b etter reason than "an animal d ied "
. G row
up! You' ll d ie too! Also, w e need some of
the things in meat to live. Animals suffer
greatly now to provid e food , and since
there is no profit in it, the proponents of
factory farming must b e w arped to cling to
it .
I strongly suggest you look for a
copy of issue 1 4 4 9 of New scientist ( 28
March 1 9 85 ) for more ab out the horror and
stupid ity of all this. It has w orld - w id e
circulation, b ut if you can' t find it at your
lib rary, w rite : Commonw ealth House/ 1 - 1 9
New Ox ford St . / Lond on WC1 A 1 NG /
U nited Kingd om.
If you w ant to ex change tapes or
view s w ith me, or w ant to know ab out my
b and ( the P SYCHOSYMATICS, only punk
b and in Hingham) , or w ant to complain,
my ad d ress is : Brian Bow en ( D ex ter) / 7
Stud ley Rd / Hingham, MA 0 20 4 3 .
P S- - the Hingham tow n fathers may b e
b uild ing us skate punx a half- pipe right
b ehind my school since w e w ere b anned
from the streets and tow n property . The
cred it/b lame for b ringing skating to tow n
goes to Bill Bennet and his family for
openning Blazin Board s, the b est thing to
happen to this tow n since ind oor plumb ing!
P P S- - Vivisection sucks and should stop
NOW!!
P P P S- - Oi! Fuck the NF! Slamming & pogo
is cool, b ut violence sucks! Fd ck you
Ronnie & Maggie! Oi!
D ear MRR:
I just w atched a movie on TV w hich
really tore me apart insid e. The movie w as
a British film entitled "Thread s" .
"Thread s" d ealt w ith nuclear w ar and
its horrifying aftermath. I just could n' t
b elieve w hat I saw .
Sure,

I' ve

alw ays

b een
politically- mind ed and anti- nuclear .

But
this w as too real.
I feel so helpless now
. Like there' s
nothing I can d o
. I' m not even sure w hy
I' m w riting you, I just have to get this off
my b ack.
I' ve never felt so much fear and
anger in myself . I think of all these
fucking psychotic mad men that run the
w orld and it' s very frightening.
What am I supposed to d o? I' m just a
1 5 - year- old that know s there' s something
w rong w ith the fact that millions of people
are d ying from hunger w hile greed y
b astard s like Ronald Ray- gun b uild more
w eapons for our "safety"
. It makes me
w ant to pick up w here the Vancouver Five
let off.
Everyd ay my aggression b uild s up
more and more w hen I hear how fucked up
the w orld is
. I get even more angry w hen
I

hear "You' re too young to think

politically. "

Well,

fuck off to w hoever

thinks that!!
"Thread s" is a movie everyone should
see so they can see the horrifying reality
of nuclear w ar!
I' ll w elcome any comments and return
correspond ence.
Chris Squire/

20 7 2 D iamond St . / San
D iego, CA 9 21 0 9
D ear MRR:
I w as read ing through some of my
friend s' old issues of MRR . I read your
little parod y fanzine ab out angry young
proud skinhead s. I w asn' t angry until I
read this.
First of all, I d on' t like you lumping
all skins into one b all b ecause every group
has b ad people includ ing punks and skins;
second , I have nothing against gays,
neither d o any of my skinhead friend s.
Everyb od y has their d ifferent opinion
ab out w hat skinhead is ab out . I' m a
skinhead to set myself apart from the punk
id iots w ho go b eat people up for no
reason. I have nothing ( sic) some of my
b est friend s are punks, b ut b eing a skin
just means I gonna try a little hard er to
my b eliefs and not convict others for
theirs.
If you are going to continually put
d ow n skins you are all a b unch of
hypocrites
. You say you' re peace punks
b ut you can' t even unite w ith us people in
your ow n scene. Think ab out it hard and
start looking to the positive sid e of skin.
Nu- skin.
All punks and skins unite.
Ian

P arks

( angry,

young,

proud ,
skinhead ) For b ookings in Alb , NM: 23 20
Oarfield

SE,

Alb ,

NM

87 1 0 6/
( 80 8) - 25 5 - 83 4 3 .
D ear MRR:
This letter is ad d ressed to guy
( A. S. S
. from SF) for it' s b rilliant letter in
MRR #23 . In his letter, he said he realized
how b ad and stupid he acted w hile he w as
"playing" nazi . Well man, I hope you read
my letter b ecause there' s one thing I w ant
to say : YOU ARE G REAT. It takes a lot of
gut and intelligence to ad mit that you w ere
w rong
. I w ish I could correspond w ith
you
. When I read your letter it mad e me
happy and hopeful ( yes people can
change!) . P lease send me your ad d ress.
Fred / 3 62 6 Avenue/ H4 6 3 A1 / Montreal
P S- - It' s true the soft spot is right
b etw een the legs.
D ear MRR:
With the goal of real structural
change in the government and social
reform, how is HC music going to change
anything? Is it primarily to ed ucate those
w ho are involved in the various "scenes"
in each tow n, w hich seem, from my ow n
ex perience, to b e more fashion- oriented
than truly political, or are you going to
shout at the pw ers- that- b e in ord er to get
them to give up their pow er? How many
congressmen listen to a hard core alb um
that sells ( mayb e) one or tw o thousand
copies at the most anyw ay? How is this
movement going to effect real change w hen
most of its violence and /or rhetoric is
channeled d irectly b ack into the groups of
ind ivid uals w ho have alread y b een ex posed
over and over to it? P unks hurt each
other and themselves and still Reagan
interferes in the governments of other
countries
. P unks yell and scream ab out
social change, b ut the only people to hear
them have heard it b efore and d on' t seem
to care ab out it anyw ay
. The 1 %elite in
the U . S
. still control the government, the
money and all the pow er, and another
punk gets a mohaw k and d elights in
b lood ying the nose of another engaged in
the ritualistic act of slamming to loud
music . D oes anarchy mean not having to
d o the d ishes or b eing ab le to d rive d ad ' s
Volvo w henever you w ant? Most punks that
I know could n' t hand le anarchy b ecause
they can' t control themselves and they
need a government to d o so
. P unks need
to d o some serious self- ex amination of their
means and goals if they even w ant to
affect any real change in the status quo
.
Otherw ise punk strikes me as b eing at
first, a fashion, second , very naive
politically and , third , ob liquely nihilistic . I
think nihilism is the most promising
d irection for punks to take if they d on' t
get their shit together and quick
. You
can' t skate or slam your w ay into social
change, nor can you d rink aw ay social
prob lems either.
D . R . / 25 3 0 Fairmount Blvd / Eugene, OR
9 7 4 0 1
D EAR MRR:
Regard ing J . Mercieca' s letter
ab out chaos, id ealism, anarchy, nihilism,
etc: O . K . , if there is no outw ard social
control, yes, there w ould b e no law s, no
government, no police- - this might b e called
anarchy
. How ever, if in ad d ition there w as
no inw ard social control ( such as an
ind ivid choosing not to kill his neighb or
w ho w ould n' t pay him b ack or w ho fucked
his w ife b ecause he realized that if
everyone d id that he w ould stand a good
chance of getting killed ) , you might call
that chaos. If a person preferred to live
w ith the chance of getting killed , rob b ed ,
raped , or sw ind led in ord er to have the
freed om to d o so him( her) self, you might
call that person a nihilist, although they
w ould prob ab ly resent it . As far as
getting enough to eat, learning how to
read , having a place to live, etc. , are
concerned , w ell, ob viously a person has to
prod uce these things for themselves if
they d o not live in an organized system
w hich mass- prod uces ed ucation, food
shelter, clothing, etc. This is a specialized
system, w hich is w hy people get b oring
assemb ly line, office, or service job s
w here they are alw ays d oing the same
thing over and over again, and have to
b uy the rest of w hat they w ould normally
have to prod uce or d o for themselves, d id
they not live w ith millions and ' millions of
other

folks.

So

if there w as not
government- sponsored ed ucation, you' d
have to teach your ow n kid s/friend s/
w hoever, to read and w rite, sew , cook,
grow food , hunt, b uild houses, If IF there
w as no government- sponsored police
d epartment ( this includ es the military) ,
you' d have to protect yourself from
muggers, rapists, arsonists, etc . In other
w ord s, if you w anna stay alive and you
d on' t w ant someone to tell you w hat to d o,
d o it yourself! The d anger w ith mass
government and mass police force is that
they accumulate mass w eapons to "protect
the innocent", i
. e. , themselves
. The
capitalists protect their capital from the
communists- - if this nation w as taken over
b y communism or any other form of
government or NO government, all the
privileged w ould lose their privileges. And
they w on' t let THAT happen, no sirree, so
they accumulate w eapons and paranoia to
protect their ow n interests, w ith ab solutely
no concern for yer average citizen, w ho is
not rich enough to b uy his/her very ow n
MX missile to protect him/her ow n
interests. At this point in the game,
d estruction of the government might b e a
good id ea, b ecause it has the pow er to
d estroy far more people than any nihilistic
or chaotic ind ivid ual d oes ( ex cept the
head s of the government) . Also, you say
that anarchy w ould b e the heyd ay for
every psychopath there is? Well, d oes the
military not specialize in murd er? And
kid napping- - w hat of all those missing
persons in South America? ( No anarchy
there) . D o not the corporations specialize
in rob b ery? Everything alread y IS
legal- - for those in pow er. And every
revolution only seems to cause new people
to come into the very same oppressive
pow er
. The b asic flaw is in the human
heart and mind , and NO ONE is innocent.
P lease respond if anyone has a good id ea.
Melissa Wid ell, 4 4 0 Locust St . , Santa Cruz,
CA 9 5 0 60
0
D ear MRR Read ers:
I' ve sat and stew ed in my rage for
too long and its time I got it out of my
system . My b eef is that I am sick and
tired of anarchists w ho d on' t know w hat
the fuck they are talking ab out . These
people seem to think that they are b eing
"progressive" w hen in actual fact they are
just a b unch of reactionaries.
First let me start w ith their b asic
premise w hich is that they d isagree w ith
'
the present organization of the state. This
is great and I strongly agree w ith it, b ut
I d on' t agree w ith w here they take it
. For
ex ample, a Toronto group recently
proposed d irect action against the Ontario
Hyd ro b uild ing. That' s great b ut w hat are
you going to d o w ithout electricity?
Answ er : retreat b ack into the d ark ages.
Seems pretty reactionary to me.
My point is that, w hile w e may hate
w hat these companies are d oing, w e have
to d eal w ith them in a w ay that is not
going to stop all progress in our society.
The only w ay to d o this is through a new
government w hich w ill take over the
companies and have them operate b y the
w ill of the people and for the people.
It' s

important to rememb er w hat

anarchy

means,

total

ab sence

of
government and a resultant chaotic
society
. It w ould only w ork if man' s nature
could b e completely changed . Ob viously,
this is not a great prob ab ility so anarchy
can' t and w on' t w ork.
How ever, this is only my opinion
. My
real point is that no political alternative
w ill w ork if the people proclaiming it d on' t
und erstand ( a) w hat it means and ( b )
w hat other alternatives ex ist
. The w ay
some of you w rite, a person w ould think
you feel that communism is "the b iggest
threat to America tod ay, " just like the
red necks you hate
. Wake up, folks!
There' s a w hole political spectrum out
there. D on' t just jump on the anarchy
b and w agon, go d ow n to your local socialist
b ookstore and so some read ing. I promise
it w on' t b e painful.
Special note to CONFLICT
Take a good look at the d efinition of
nihilism and you' ll d iscover'
it is
d estructive, NOT progressive
. Also note
that nihilism has b een connected w ith all
areas of the political spectrum, includ ing
the latter years of Hitler' s reign.
That' s enough sound ing off, for now ,
hate mail can b e sent to:
Steve Beaumont
c/o Rad io York
York U niversity
4 7 0 0 Keale Street
Toronto, Ontario
CANAD A
M3 J 1 P 3
To Central Florid a Band s:
Thrashers, skate punks, surf punks,
' n serious scenesters. . . A few of us
w ould like to get a hall show together for
later in the summer, to help b ring "the
scene" ( w hat little there is) closer
together . We need Central Fla b and s
w illing to travel to D aytona Beach for the
gig
. ( We w ant to make it "non- violent" so
w e can play again) . Any b and s w ho are
into a fast ' n loud , thrash format/ similar,
please w rite me soon. This w ill b e an
all- ages show , so all you skate punks,
surf punks, and serious scenesters are
most w elcome. Watch MRR for further into,
or b etter yet, w rite: D ave Wright, c/o P O
Box 3 3 0 4 84 1 Coconut G rove, FL 3 3 23 3 .
( 9 0 4 -

67 2- 0 7 21 ) .

D o

it!

( P S- - Financial
b ackers also w elcome!)
D ear MRR:
In response to P at from Boston' s
letter in MRR #23 : I' m the lead singer of a
Boston hard core b and . Not all the harcore
b and s from Boston have jumped ship.
Quality HARD CORE can still b e found in
the names of CANCEROU S G ROWTH,
P SYCHO, NO SYSTEM, among others
. So
you see, the scene is not d ead , b ut it is
ailing. Most of the prob lem, as I see it as
an insid er, is the attitud e of the promoters
w ho b ook the prominent club s. I' m
specifically refering to the promoter of the
P arad ise Theatre. The P arad ise w as once
the premier hard core venue, b ut as of late
he, Joe Viglione, seems to b e more
involved in fucking thrash b and s over.
Case in point, my b and and I have
recently had the opportunity of b eing
fucked over b y Joe the Vig. "Oh sure, "
he said , "you guys can d o a HARD CORE
gig at the Jumb o ( scum pit)
. " What he
really meant w as w e could d o HARD CORE
w hile the other tw o b and s could d o some
fucked up top forty b ullshit
. Of course w e
knew w e w ere set up b ut, w hat w e d id n' t
know w as w e w ere to b e fucked up b y an
inept sound man, w ho pulled the plug after
four songs b ecause of musical prejud ice.
Worst of all, b esid es not geting paid , they
had the aud acity to accuse us of stealing
one of their ( cheapshit) microphones. The
very id ea that people actually stayed to
hear our set, pissed them off so much
even the b ouncers w ere trying to strong
arm us, and everyone that even looked
remotely HARD CORE
. What they d id n' t
realize w as, w e hang and b ang in the
gym, and w e d on' t b ack d ow n from
anyb od y
. WE d on' t look for troub le b ut,
w hen w e meet these kind s of ob stacles, w e
d o retalitate. This is an ex ample of the
kind of attitud e that is b ent on d estroying
HARD CORE in Boston, and w hy so many of
Boston' s premier HARD CORE b and s aren' t
thrashing any longer.

If the Boston
HARD CORE fans w ant their voices heard ,
then w rite: P . T. L
. KLU B/ 1 4 A
P LYMP TON ST. / WONU RN, MA 0 1 80 1 ; w e
w ill see to it that it goes to the proper
F!y\
4 ~
b
eoy T- Shirts $6 h4 ~d hsp

Ti ers $3
D ead Cops

`ya, ad %rr~s M. D
. C
. "Chicken Squaw k"
Multi- D eath Corp .

P3 I
. D . C
. "Multi- D eath Corporation"
D . R . I
. "Violent P acification"
D icks "P EACE"
C2D "Cond emned To D eath"
P . E. A. C. E. Compilation $1 1
Alb ums $6
Reagan Youth
B . G . K.
Offend ers
D . R . I.
M. D . C.
Cond emned To D eath
M . D . C. is currently looking to ad d a guitarist . If you think it
should b e you, then please send us a cassette w ith a solo
rend ition of "Business On P arad e",
"Kill the Light", "Multi
D eath" into "Selfish Shit" and "American Achievement", along
w ith at least 5 original tunes. N' e w ill answ er everyb od y and
the d ead line is July 1 5 th.
Write:
R Rad ical Mail Ord er
24 4 0 1 6th St #1 0 3
San Francisco, CA 9 4 1 0 3
":Thik Sk , cenquaw
M. D . C. Tour Amerikkka
Skateb oard er
Corporate D eath Burger
NOW IN WHITE OR BLACK SHIRTS
d Y
n
8tr
spleen~ n9
T-SHIRTS
lrlrfw
An uncommon amount of
intelligence, displayed in
REVOLUTIONARY DESIGNS
Many colors

IUSA &
Canada'
A M A ZE your fr i ends

T - SH I RT S $8 P O ST A GE I N C LU DED
SH O C K your par ent s

A LSO BU T T O N S & N I C A RA GU A N
O FFEN D t he

C O FFEE w hen avai lable

es t abli s hm ent

For our
FREE c at alog,
s end a
SELF
addressed stamped
envelope
t o
: RED T A BLE P RI N T S
330A
W.
U
INTAH 4it.224
Colorad o Springs, CO
. 80 9 0 5 U SA
BU Y O U R REC O RDS
P . O . BO X 363
VA U X H A LL, N
. J . 07 088
BOR- 7 . 0 0 1 AD RENALIN O . D . "Let' s Bar- B- Que"

OU T OF P RINT
BOR- 1 2. 0 0 1 BED LAM" Total Bed lam "

OU T OF P RINT
BOR- 7 . 0 0 2 MY3 SONS 7 "
$20 0
BOR- 7 . 0 0 3 MENTAL D ECAY E. P
$25 0
BOR- 1 2- 0 0 2
The Wacky Hi- Jinks of Ad renalin O . D $
5 9 9
FLEXI D ISC CANCELLED D U E TO CENSORSHIP
Make Money Ord ers P ayab le to JAMES D U NLEVY
ATTENTION : Buy Our Record s w ill b e on tour w ith A. O . D . from May 3 1 until
August 3 1
Ord ers sent in that time w ill not b e processed until Sep-
temb er.
T H A N K YO U

DI ST RI BU T ED BY
:
I m por t ant Rough T r ade Sys t em at i c Dut c h Eas t T oxi c Shoc k
O U T I N JU N E N . J . C O M P I LA T I O N FEA T U RI N G :Bedlam St et z
C hi ldr en i n A dult Jai ls A dr enali n O . D. Bodi es I n P ani c M y 3
Sons C yanam i d Sac r ed Deni al P leas ed Yout h
A ls o BO DI ES I N P A N I C L
. P . and T - s hi r t s

ea .
$5
00
M ak e M oney O r der s P ayable t o K YLE EA VES
P . O . Box 587 , Ber nar ds vi lle, N . J . 07 9 24
On the cutti ng edge, exposi ng
sTo
ameri kan i llusi ons_

ma-
Red

;
Table Prints'
channels.
In conclusion, let me speak for
P . T. L . KLU B and say it w ill take a
comb ined effort b etw een the b and s, and
the fans, to keep HARD CORE G OING . And
w e vow to see it through.
Yours truly,
D R . D EATH
P . T . L . KLU B
D ear MRR-
Que pasa? First, congrats are in
ord er to you MRR folks for making the
massive effort to cover, communicate, and
inject a little theory, b rains, and hard
analysis into the international punk scene.
Who know s w here this unruly movement is
head ed ? But w e need to rememb er to keep
pushing ( w hether w e' re all "united " or
not) to make it a valid , informed political
movement on the frontlines . I' ve gone
through lots of ups and d ow ns in my
thinking ab out

w hat

can really b e
accomplished

b y the aw are,

politically
concious people ( I hate the w ord
"punks") w ho make up the ranks of the
hard core scene. True, it' s "only rock ' n'
roll" and w e need to keep that in
perspective as w e b egin to w ake up, look
around , and d ecid e how to make our aims
more w id ely know n. We need b asically to,
if w e take all this talk of the system' s
crimes seriously, w ork b eyond the scene
for an alternative
. I could go on preaching
ind efinitely, b ut I need to get d ow n to
b usiness. Rememb er, if you' re serious
ab out political activism, there are things
more vital than the "scene" and fashion.
Mohaw ks can get you b usted - I know -
and there' s more important statements to
make. So let' s get cracking!
My main reason for w riting is to
respond to P at from Boston, w ho w as
b umming out last issue ab out the sad state
of the Boston scene - specifically the
anti- hard core b acklash from some of the
old prime movers of old Boston HC crew .
P at seemed d iscouraged ab out the
prospects for a prod uctive scene ever
starting up there. It w as d iscouraging to
hear ab out how id iotic and violent the
"mature" scene memb ers are ab out
rejecting HC
. I d id n' t realize that b and s
like SSD and D YS w ere not only going
metal ( w hich is cool b y me, I say - jud ge
not) b ut slagging off hard core. I say, to
these people, that hard core can co- ex ist
w ith w hat you are d oing. Live and fucking
let live! I' m moving to Boston this summer,
and I' ve got every intention of trying to
form, not only a hard core thrash b and ,
b ut a ( gasp!) political hard core thrash
b and .
I' ve also got other plans
. Like
getting together a youth political action
group and possib ly starting a squat in the
city. So, my message to you, P at, is -
take heart
. The old Boston crew can d o as
they like- there' s still room for intelligent
hard core in any city. And I' ll lay even
money that there' re others w ho feel the
same, and this summer should see some
new b lood come into Boston.
If things connect and people
communicate, anything can happen
. That' s
how hard core and the accompanying
political consciousness has come as far as
it has
. To quote THE MOB - "now w e' re at
the crucial point" . I' d also like to estab lish
contact w ith any folks in Boston area w ho
might b e interested in conspiring w ith me
on any of the ab ove schemes. Ted D eBra,
c~/o TMS/ Rind ge, NH 0 3 4 61
LANSING - Lansing' s fucked . I' m a human
b eing w ho is a skin in the summer and
long haired in the w inter
. I like metal
( Ozzy rules!) b ut I also like ' real' music.
I sing for THE ARMY OF G OD , a new
b and that d oes political country w estern
thrash rockab illy metal
. I d on' t know w hy
w e b other, as there is no scene w orth
mentioning.
We used to have a strong scene,
b ut it seemed to slip aw ay b efore our
eyes . Mayb e it w ill b e resurrected this
summer. The prob lem is find ing places to
play. There must b e 2 or 3 hund red punks
( people w ho might come to a show ) , b ut
there are no b ars, and the cops are a pain
in the ass. We could have show s if
someone w ould just open up their house,
b ut everyone is w aiting for someone else to
d o the d irty w ork
. We started a BYO club
to try to put on show s ( there are some
real cool people w ho live out in the
sub urb s in this shithole called Okemos) ,
b ut all w e seem to b e ab le to come up w ith
are b enefits, w hich leave no money to pay
out of tow n b and s.
If anyone has any suggestions on
how to solve our prob lem, or if any
nearb y ( 1 0 0 miles) scene w ants a b and to
come play, w rite me or call Raphael/ 2227
Hamilton Rd / Okemos, MI 4 8864 / ( 5 1 7 )
3 4 9 - 265 2.
Tim Y:
Just a quick note on contacts in
Seattle. Hopefully b and s can get ahold of
us for show s w ithout going through the
Rock Theatre w hich is lame
. These are
"Seven Inch Smoke" contacts: Lia- - ( 20 6)
3 63 - 3 84 1 ; P erry- - ( 20 6) 3 23 - 20 61 ;
John- - ( 20 6) 3 25 - 664 2.

Anthony

Triage/

7 20 Broad w ay,

#5 /
Seattle, WA 9 81 22
D ear MRR:
I w as going to w rite a scene report,
b ut recent events have mad e a cynic of
me, so I' d prefer to w rite a free- form
tirad e. I am s0 0 0 fucking pissed off!
Things are getting fucked up in Austin
and I' m mad , mad , mad ! ! ! It' s a tired
sub ject, I' m sure, b ut I' m talking ab out
VIOLENCE AT G IG S!! Austin used to b e
so cool- - it' s changed in lots of w ays in
recent years ( for the w orse) , b ut this
gets to me more than anything! Man, usta
b e you could go to show s and never see a
fight . Now , you can' t go out w ithout
seeing a fight! Now , last night' s show at
Lib erty Lunch ( EXP LOITED , U K SU BS,
CRIMINAL CREW) there w as so much
troub le that the club has b anned hard core
show s ind efinitely.

This

is

not

"outsid ers"

causing
fights- - it' s people w ithin the
scene- - people w ho think they are so
fucking cool
. Now Look- - they' re so cool
that w e' ve ALL LOST the BEST club w e' ve
ever had access to in the w hole fucking
tow n since Rauls. Now pa favorite b and s- -
my friend s- - have now here to play b ut tw o
teeny, tiny club s called The Beach and
The Continental Club . I am sick . Ex cuse
me, I have to go throw up!
Laura C
P S- - In case anyone w ond ers, I d on' t b ring
Natalie to the show s anymore cause I' m
afraid she' ll get hurt! It' s too b ad , too,
cause she likes to go w ith us.
D ear MRR:
I live in an unimaginative sub urb
of Washington D C w here people lab el you
like mad . "Hmm . . . lessee, w ierd hair, too
much eyeliner - hey, you' re a punk,
right?" Wrong, asshole! I' m a teenager,
like you, d row ning in the shit they keep
piling on us. My escape is music. What' s
yours?
At our school the ' hard core' scene
is just d eveloping so no one has interest
in anything b ut pure punk . Mention
something like VELVET U ND ERG ROU ND
and all the nouveaux s are stupified .
It' s great to read a magazine like
MRR w ritten b y a b unch of intelligent
people w ho d on' t have their . mind s nailed
shut and coated w ith b arb ed w ire.
If anyone is in the same or similar
situation at their school ( I' ll b et there are
millions) , w rite me and tell me how you
d eal w ith it.
Roo/ 1 3 5 3 2 Tab scott D r. / Chantilly, VA
220 21
D ear MRR:
I' m fucking sick of all these male
b and interview s w here they alw ays have to
slip in something ab out getting laid ! How
' b out the girls? How ' b out giving them a
chance to get their licks in? Most girls I
know have 1 0 0 %d irtier mind s
. . . if only
you could hear
. . .
Mars
P
. S. - - and to b itch on
. . 1 think it' s
totally sick of BLACK FLAG to record
Charlie Manson' s songs
. . . w hat are they
cond oning?
D ear MRR:
Late last year the New Zealand P rime
Minister, D avid Lange, d eclared New
Zealand a nuclear- free zone, w hich means
that anything having to d o w ith nuclear
w eapons or w arfare are b anned from the
country
. This includ es American w arships,
since some of them are nuclear pow ered ,
and it is a U . S. policy not to state w hich
of their ships are nuclear pow ered .
P red ictab ly, this d ecision w as attacked as
"irresponsib le, " "making nuclear w ar more
likely, " "Opening the d oor fore
Russians, " and so on, b y the mainstream
press and American government officials.
Need less to say, this is a giant step
tow ard s peace and sanity in a
w ar- mongering w orld
. Mr. Lange show ed
enormous courage b y challenging the
U nited States and its w ar machine. Finally,
someone in pow er show s us that he has a
trace
of sanity, so w e should try to
support him as much as w e can. I suggest
that everyone w rite a letter to Mr . Lange
and show him that there are some
Americans w ho aren' t jingoist, w ar- loving,
close- mind ed id iots. The P . M. is b eing
criticized all over the w orld , so he need s
some support
. Write tod ay and get your
friend s to w rite. This is one chance to
affirm life instead of d eath. G ive
yourselves and the rest of humanity a
chance to live. Write to : The Right
Honorab le D avid Lange/ P rime Minister/
P rime Minister D ept . / P arliament Bld g. /
Wellington, NZ . Thanks.
Bob Mrozek/ 3 0 3 4 Highrid ge Rd / La
Crescenta, CA 9 1 21 4
P . S. - - Any w ho agree that life is b etter
than d eath and that love is more fun than
hate, I have a magazine, controlled chaos.
P olitics,

poetry,

opinion.

U nb rid led
creativity and

d eviant philosophies in
magazine form . Small d onation to ab ove.
P . P . S. - - D oug G lavitch, Aaron G raham,
Nicole Ferretti, J . J. Moran, Carl Sai,
Rob ert Lopez, d . rinelli, Kenny Simmons:
please get in touch w ith me.
Hello everyb od y:
This letter is aimed mainly at
American "punks" w ho' ve had ex perience
in Europe or European "punks", b ut also
just anyone w ho thinks they can step
forw ard and offer some ad vice or
information. Lately I' ve d ecid ed that w hat
I need is a change of surround ings. I' ve
really d ecid ed that I w ould like to live in
Europe, at least for a w hile. I have
several places in mind : Holland , Belgium,
G ermany, or Finland . I particularly need
info on squatting, on how I might b e ab le
to support myself financially, and on how
w ell I can get b y simply speaking English.
Also, should the fact that I' m from the
U . S. cause any prob lems for me? Any help
that anyone can provid e w ill b e d eeply
appreciated .

Thanks

million!

Tom
Krettler/ 4 1 61 Forest CIR/ Rosw ell, G A
D ear MRR read ers,
I feel the necessity to respond to
G len Freid man' s column in issue #25
b ecause in its b revity I feel it generalized
and over simplified the issues of record
contracts, royalties and costs . I' m really
hoping that people haven' t run to their
record lab els w ith the information G len
supplied b ecause it could lead to a lot of
conflict and misund erstand ings.
It w as w ay b ack in issue #2 that I
w rote a lengthy article ab out record lab els
and in issue N6 that East Bay Ray w rote
his reb uttal to my article. Although I know
a lot more now than I d id then, b oth of
these articles may b e interesting to
anyb od y w ho may w ant to research the
sub ject further.
Firstly, there is a fund amental and
philisophical d ifference b etw een a percent
of profit royalty and a point royalty
system . It' s not true that only major lab els
use a point system as many ind ies also d o.
It is not a b ad system as w as infered in
G len' s column. The d istictions that need to
b e mad e b etw een majors and ind ies are
creative and financial control, ad vances,
and d istrib ution. The point system isn' t
inherently b ad nor is it the area w here
conflict usually arises
. I w ant to b reifly
outline the d ifferences b etw een these tw o
types of d eals and how the philisophical
aspect is a matter of preference.
As the costs of making a record
vary so much, a b lanket statement that as
artist should recieve one d ollar per record
in royalties is highly mislead ing. Time
spent in the stud io, size of the record ,
colors involved in printing, inserts,
sleeves, numb er pressed and printed , and
variab le manufacturing costs are all a part
of a record ' s actual cost . There is also
promotion w hich can b e as cheap or
ex pensive as you choose d epend ing on
w hat type and how much you d o
. The
quality

of

the

material

and

name
recognition are also b ig factors in
d etermining how many w ill sell . The price
of the record in comb ination w ith all the
ab ove d etermine w hat a b and or lab el' s
profit or loss w ill b e.
For ex ample: A 7 " single w ith a
x erox ed sleeve just w on' t cost you as much
as a full color covered LP w ith an insert.
And generally speaking, that 7 " single
w on' t sell as many as an LP . There are
record s that sell 5 0 , 0 0 0
and some that sell
1 0 0 . All of these variab les make it hard to
sw allow that every artist should get a one
d ollar royalty per record .
There are many reasons for lab els
to choose one system over another . The
smaller the lab el the more likely they' ll
choose a net profit split . This allow s them
to recoup the money they spent b efore
they or the artist makes a profit . If a
lab el only has one or tw o record s on their
lab el, this is a managab le arrangement.
For a larger lab el it can b e a b ookkeeping
nightmare to keep track of every penny
spent on each record . If there is a
trusting situation b etw een the b and and
the lab el, then it is easier to assume that
this accounting is accurate and a percent
of profit split is a very logical method to
use
. The point system is much simpler.
Once a suggested retail price is d ecid ed
on, the artist gets approx ematly tw elve
per cent of that price times the amount
sold . The lab el only receives the
d istrib ution price w hich is ab out fifty per
cent of the retail price
. P lus, the artist
alw ays receives mechanical royalties
( unless they are w aived ) as they d o on a
percent of profit split . ( To d ate, that is
4 i cents per song on a 1 0 song LP times
the numb er sold . ) Therefore
; it d oesn' t
matter how much the lab el spend s - only
w hat they sell
. For larger ind ies or majors
it simplifies the b ookkeeping and keeps
them closer to b ud get
. A small lab el might
not b e ab le to guarantee this amount of
money b ut that d oesn' t make it a b ad
system
. The b ottom line on this is that a
b and that' s b een around a few years, has
a few record s out and sells plenty is going
to w ant that guarantee
. And since the risk
for

the lab el is smaller,

this seems
reasonab le. A b and that' s new w on' t get a
guarantee as easily b ecause the lab el w on' t
b e ab le to afford the risk.
Financially speaking, ( w ith a b and
that sells enough record s to make a profit)
the fifty percent royalty split plus
mechanical royalties, a straight seventy
per cent w ith mechanicals w aived , or
tw elve per cent of retail w ith mechanical
royalties comes out very close d ollar w ise.
Run some numb ers on your calculator and
you' ll find the d ifference minimal.
Once you get to re- pressings, the
cost per record goes d ow n. If you' re
d ealing w ith a fifty per cent profit split
you w on' t see any money until at least this
point b ecause the lab el w ill b e recouping
their ex penses and spend ing more on the
re- pressing. But in the long run the artist
could make more money then otherw ise.
With a point system the lab el could make a
little more money in the long run b ut it
w ill take them longer to recoup their
ex penses if they ever d o . P lus, the artist
receives sales royalties from the first to
last record sold . So in a w ay, the artist
pays a little for the guarantee b ut the
d ifference is very small . Also, mechanical
royalties are consid ered a cost. So in a
fifty percent split the artist pays for half
of their mechanical royalties
. But at least
they know that they' ll see
some cash, as
many record s d on' t b reak even and some
lab els spend a lot of money.
The thing that G len w as right
ab out is contracts. Contacts are
agreements and a good w ay to know w hat
to ex pect from each other; w hat each is
w illing to d o and spend
. There are a
million w ays to arrange a record d eal and
they should w ork out for b oth the record
lab el and the artist w ithout ruining either.
Well,

even this ex planation is

simplistic b ut it sure proves on thing that
capitalism is great fun, right? Any
comments are encouraged . Thanks for
listening and b est w ishes,
Ruth Schw artz
Mord am Record s and MRR
n
i T ERVEET K A DET
fr om
F
July
Los Angeles

Santa Cruz

-
and
10
San Franci sco ;
C. ~1 ,

~- - 1 2

Salt Lak e C i t y
b1ATRIBE froman Di ego
=
13Denver

1 5

Kansas City

1 7

Minneapolis

1 8

Kenosha

1 9

Mad ison

20

Milw aukee

21

Chicago

23

D etroit

24

Cleveland

25

P ittsb urgh

26

Baltimore

27

New Jersey

28

New York City

29

Connecticut
n

3 0

Boston

3 1

P rovid ence
( not all confirmed yet) -
San Di ego CA 92154
(619)429- 4035

:
As one who has no sexual
preference, its rare that I
complain about getting it from
both ends.

. but this is one of

those rare times
. Like a sixties
radical, the world seems to be
shouting at me, "Either you're
part of the solution (that means
I'm on their side), or you're
part of the problem (that means
I'm on the other side) . "
Well, buckaroos, I'm on no
side
. Or, putting it more
exactly, I'm on the side of the
person whose either doing the
right thing at the moment, or
getting fucked over by someone
who's doing the wrong thing.
This is what happpened :

A
bunch of people jumped on someone
at a hardcore show.

The JUMPEE
was associated with

someone
else who wrote something that the
JUMPERS didn't like
. The one who
was jumped was a friend of mine
and that probablly made me move
faster, but I think (hope) I
would've

done the same for a

stranger
.

Oh no, I wasn't (all

five foot four of me) a hero . I
did more ducking than punching.
As a matter of fact, I didn't do
any punching, but I was on the
right side.
Now people say I sided with
"them" . In a way that's funny
because for a long time THEM were
saying I was on the OTHER side.
So how do you decide which side
is right and which is wrong?

I'm
glad you asked me that.

Here are
the rules:
1)
If a person calls you a
nasty name, you have the right to
call him/her a nasty name back.
You don't have the right to run
them over with a truck.
2) If I wear a sign
on the
back
of my jacket that says KILL
YUPPIES, then Yuppies have the
right to emblazon their leisure
suits with a KILL ASSHOLES sign.
They don't have a right to treat
me to the business end of an M16.
3) If someone is being hurt
and

is unable

to

protect
themselves
you have a right/duty
to help them. Some New York
hardcore kids were brutal to a
gang they saw trying to rape
someone.

The kids were right to

act as the way they did.
4)
It is wrong to attack
someone physically because you
disagree with their ideas . It is
even more wrong to physically
attack someone because their
friends

disagree with your

ideas.

This is simply bullying

and intimidation.
5) Violence in itself is
NOT wrong.

There is such a thing

as a fair fight . In order for a
fight to be fair, both sides have
to be equal in size and numbers,
and--more importantly--both must
agree to the fight.

The only
exception to this is in the
protection of someone who is
being immediately physically and
unfairly attacked, like in the
rape case I mentioned before . In
that case, you can stomp the shit
out of the attackers.
Okay, I know this column is
weird .

It's not funny and it's

not outrageous.

But this is a
special time.

A pal of mine got

hurt and it was for a stupid
reason .

I've got to do what I

can to try and make sure that it
doesn't happen again
. I hope a
look at these rules will at least
start people talking.
As for me
:

Remember, if you
think I'm on your side, YOU'RE
WRONG!

If you think I'm on the

other side, YOU'RE WRONG! I've
got friends and enemies on both
sides, but I'm in the middle, or
rather, on no side at all.
In my column last issue, I touched
b riefly on the sub ject of corporations ( the
hostile "takeover" of corporations b y other
financial corporations) . Curious entities,
these corporations. Some of them have
yearly assets larger than the G ross
National P rod uct of many countries . Some
of them pay their top management more
than presid ents or kings receive
. Some of
them have "security forces" or Intelligence
U nits of their ow n. Some of them are
involved in overthrow ing or controlling
foreign governments ( U nited Fruit in
G uatemala in 1 9 5 3 or ITT in Chile in
1 9 7 3 )
. Some of them are involved in d oing
"job s" the government can' t d o b ecause of
popular opinion against such cland estine
operations ( Congress prohib ited fund s to
the "Contras" in Nicaragua, b ut the
Reagan Ad ministration is trying to find
"private" w ays of fund ing the
mercenaries) . In other w ord s, corporations
have a life of their ow n, outsid e the realm
of pub lic scrutiny, and for good reason- -
these financial organizations are the true
rulers of the U nited States, regard less of
w ho is "elected " to the P resid ency or
Congress
. The "revolving d oor" b etw een
b usiness

and

government

is
w ell- d ocumented - - every cab inet or high
.
d epartmental

position

w ithin

the
government is staffed b y corporate
ex ecutives "on loan" from the b usiness
w orld . And through their P ACs ( political
action committees) , the corporations are
ab le to "b uy" the men they w ant in office,
to b uy votes through the massive infusion
of money into campaigns for "their"
cand id ates- - something the Supreme Court
seems to have no prob lem w ith.
Corporations receive pub lic fund s ( our tax
money) to b ail them out if they fuck up
financially. They can get "their" men in
government to allocate pub lic money to
finance scientific research ( Star Wars
research) , w hich the corporations w ill later
use to reap huge profits and contracts
( socialism for the rich, it' s called ) .
Mussolini called his Fascist state a
"Corporate" state, mod eling Italian society
after corporate structure, w ith pow er
flow ing from top to b ottom ( the opposite of
d emocracy) .

There

are

no

pub lic
constraints on d ecision- making that w ay,
and those of us w ho live in Corporate
America ought to recognize that w e too live
und er such a set- up
. The real pow er and
d ecision- making in the U
. S. l ow s from top
to b ottom, implemented b y a technocratic
b ureaucracy, w ith a pub lic facad e of
"d emocracy"
. As the corporations gob b le
each other up, b ecoming more and more
monopolistic and monolithic, w hat few
rights w e have are b ecoming more and
more threatened
. When pub lic w ill can b e
sub verted b y the "invisib le government" of
the private sector ( d omestically, as in
d etermining w hat politicians w ill b e elected
and "ow ned " and w here money w ill b e
allocated
; and in foreign policy, as in
instigating and financing coups or
counter- revolutions, or b y such economic
policies as investment in reprehensib le
governments such as many corporations d id
in Nazi G ermany b efore or as they d o
tod ay in racist South Africa
. Stud ents
trying to force their insitutions of
"ad vanced learning" and humanities" into
d ivesting b illions from corporations that d o
b usiness w ith South Africa have found
their Board of Regents to b e mostly
corporation ex ecutives w ith a vested
financial interest in maintaining capital
investment in fascist or authoritarian
countries that supply a cheap lab or force
through intimid ation) .
Where am I going w ith all this? Not
until w e the people can force control over
the corporations, or d ismantle their pow er,
w ill w e live in a d emocracy
. Hopefully, the
South African d ivestment movement, and
the move to make certain foreign policy
"private", w ill force pub lic attention on
this gravest of threats
. For me, the real)
b attle of the ' 80 ' s ( and ' 9 0 ' s, etc
. , etc. )
should

b e

for

pub lic

control

of
corporations, those mini- fascist states
w ithin our States. Call it "socialism for the
pow erless" if you w ant, or "economic
d emocracy" as some others d o . I call it our
only hope for survival.
One minor note on one type of
corporation
. Last issue, G len Fried man, in
his column, congratulated Lisa Fancher
and her ind ie Frontier Record s lab el for
signing a d istrib ution d eal w ith Island
Record s, a major lab el
. The argument
that' s usually ad vanced to sub stantiate
w orking w ith ( for?) major corporations is
that "w e w ill reach a w id er aud ience w ith
our message
. " I find a fallacy in that logic
b ecause, the importance of the lyrical or
musical contents asid e, our ( punk' s) main
message is our ind epend ence. Our real
threat lies in our ex istence as an
alternative, b e it through ind ie lab els,
zines, promoters and club s, or b and s
. The
D o It Yourself ethic is the real challenge
to the status quo
. It d isturb s me greatly
to see ind ie lab els hitching on to major, or
to see so- called "rad ical" b and s trying to
sign to majors
. As the lesson of the
CLASH should teach us, it' s the med ium
not the message
. While no ind ivid ual b and ,
zine, or lab el has any real strength b y
itself, it is our collective unity of
netw orking and cooperation in creating a
true alternative culture that w ill eventually
present a source of opposition.
What is important?
Z115T1641T&R-5I
Z "
. . .5
So
r f
( l( A' RC. .
. , d ares

. Z
y rM
0
m. -

o/e Sat#
"t1.
OFFeJE
L5S+r
yt, I
t
. . 63
DISORDERRECORI1S 0u
ME191t1EA/
si reri l45 .
.7,o0
7 5ecoA)D5use (k
. . . 5. Z
LAt (O
Kt t lot )
.
R,flo,(7 2.
R6EM
-
Y -6Sari
7' . 2
5eY oi/D Fb55e5Sto
A
1. .
2
. so
CAT
irroNICS F(dA{ I
. . 2
. 5
P (&flTWiE LP r'
. .
65
-o
577515
,
17". 2
. So
IVIEm-r NWT' Su,. . 7
1
. ca/5cF FILTF{ 6
14,1. 2,
2
f'64c
2LPfbe .k . .5
' S D
6k
mAA
S f v
l L,Anfss QA .,- M1 e)
S ETGNI co"1 1 30 z3
r,6r
. 725
deukoTk A+-5ENo. t3 AA
i
f'r
. 7. 2
Bc/Troc s LP. -. . 7. z. c
KE,UE EXP6~ . Vet I .
. . 'Z
BurrL EISA1~ l rt,d
. . k. 7
RA2. 2.
. l k Tai ottitt . - 7
LIFE 15A JoILE cmnM
. . 7.
VPkI(sHT-
crtiz'-
15Rehire it
VP&I&Hrc
. inzeu5,Z
". .
5.
44P -"P't 77 LPC5wuIa)
. G,5o
CHELSEA Me14,r
h1~ J a 2 Ac
. c
. IDe)-1
.
. 7,00
DoR
ire
It Dewn
7"_ : 1. 50
(~ MtPT. SEx u516CE abt'Z. z
c
elDC.
. LP

. _ S,So
LIPC. LEt 1~ ~ ++
~
. r42-
4. 00
S~

42-
100. '7"
a-(J

qso
Hr( . (o
rowt
alit P 15a
.
x R
,4 J ,M,K,Kt
. ,, F1Ank
. ,
ar W Mt rr
l
artt
P LEASE NOTE OU R NEWAD D RESS
r
ffffffffffff/ffAly
`n
lQueA
itwit/.EE_oAOdi
P 0 BOX433 DEARBORNMI48121
1850 Union St
. Room 488 65
San Francisco,
, CA 94123
We carry the entire Rough Tram
catal og, including the CRASS label.
HtNA/ TO o2pe2,' ,
.T.f.l vp your 1 W1 5
P (ee 5t r P lus t I I
S
t $.
M C .
4(ft r et f e
5 I A uu 't N A
e3
t, or ' t
3
C VS
tx rr+tff w 1
fo CititOSt
So, tc"Ih, ~red .
. Mt of prole' ' `. h
AiN, e
P 4 7

`
lb , hock, c' s
f
.
. Forui . t . r
. It/5 - U 5 P t) /d 5
P as.
! ( BAAkcl
itck/L, f( no)
. T1 0 1 5 &fortt 9
. iiA Kok( .
n
. nth, M4 kt o, rr d e y
po' TkfsE 1. KAND U 1 IG -
I
F
$ Z
more
' eteri
tP tl2" 9 "
+c
s
. s
k' iS , ZS , IS
.3S
I"

81 t81 GS
at 1
At
.6
.Z
CRASS tn
1
k5-VnAett. 2
. 00
LC
. -vAMP(Rf5
- 7 "
.
_2
,
So
D y5
A&J LP .
_
t/M/ML5
/ttce
ttirv. s. .
U &/TOuH 3
A/E t;r
65 1 2'
kP osTLE5
5 . , ,
. 5 x , 7 "- - 2
. i
P I
Wok 1 H' . ' 1
SAtor
. 2. z
9 U F
t1 LP :/
6.
K( 5 -
pit.
Y
s eVE- O. Mve
. 8. 5
yl
l
TV
pttf, )
7 "
. .
. . Z, 2
5 I MNIlA1
0
1 4 0 11

. '
. q.
I}- ( Aoc1 1 ' f t. 5 D G t . 2
. 7
Co1 /FL1 Ci
U K EA"E. .
1 .
ZS
~X( ST~Z
Beaks
t2
"
. c
Jox JsE5
J1 {eah1 7 "
.
. 2.
Aotez, m

fb s1 er- CaW
*3. LF
eJ'rc nc l,,Pk4
5C
5r
.ut ( A
211 5
f
~ r
a
.
1p,or ZTRL.
,1
ID LI p ,r 9. yf AOt
) "7
.

es+AaA .
East
island
Mail Ord er
COMA In A Coma EP
JU NK SCHIZO EP
LIP CREAM Night Rid er EP
CONFU SE flex i
RESU RRECTION flex i
COBRA 1 9 84 EP
G AI flex i$2 . 0 0
U . N . K. O . ' tine #2
$1 . 0 0
THE CLAY EP $6. 0 0
Supplies on certain titles
are limited , so please list
alternates if possib le
V
heid ea. the G eneral Services Ad mI

at n
Me tax pave' b one, / Tnv . Saving
lights u
'
n'
off d im atically a( ter . veven in id s
silence
Rut the genius w ho pm in the d evices set them
for . evensecond s
That leaves w orkers intheb asement, w herethe
n
are nstalled
. keepmisg
up a stead y hum
And useraof the t w hich also have
them most play the d rums on the w all.
Ken Stitcher, G SA field office d irector i
Montgomery, said he w ill have the lights put right
NO CHECKSII Well concealed
cash only please. e
All prices includ e postage b y
sea mail, air mail ad d $4 0 of
ord er from,

total ord er. . .

Roger Armstrong
Hi- City Honancho #20 1
2- 1 1 - 1 0 Horinouchi
Suginami- ku Tokyo T 1 66
Japan
Featuring
;JAP AN.
3 . 0 0
5 . 0 0
5 . 0 0
2 . 0 0
1 . 5 0
5 . 0 0
DOA t,1, kj'k &rrt 62
ScJe 1
-Pi,s
sit
. 6
.
Pot
soAJ &tflL' Sls
. 4
. 0o
Oc To
FAovJ L
. P
.
. 70o
DG3 Dream LP
. .
. 7 -.
lilt Loose_ WI-L,P/0?55 . 6
L . P
. ' s : $5 . 0 0 P . P . . $6. 5 0 P . P
. SU RFACE OVERSEAS
>
0
4 ' ' ) ,< ,
. 0 gov
' - *l, '
mac
ys ;
r~4 0 )
Tj
5 5 . 0 0 U SA
S i
. 0 0 overseas
Q- it,
$9 . 0 0
Overseas ( air)
ALL P ost P
aid
S5 P ost P aid
Make Checks P 4 vab le to
Mike Hond
5 5 6 Broad w ay- 2nd Floor
Brid aerort .

0 660 6
D I ST BY mamma ROU G H TRAD E
D U TCH EAST IND IA
MIDQS %MUNI' MCDnaDVEj f CUCB
LS flflflIli IKIEBUCDQJ'~
B4 Sunday, M ay 1 9 , 1 9 85 * *

San Fr anc i s c o Exam i ner

I s i t t i m e t o c ons i der `de- punk i ng and de- m et ali zi ng' s om e
By Elli s E. C onk li n
U nited P ress International
LOS ANG ELES They see them-
selves as playing and living on the
ed ge w ith a d efiant fury the punk
"rockers" and the more aggressive
heavy metal "stoners" w ho glory in
their light b lack leather pants, b oots
and b lack gloves, often speckled w ith
stud s and filed spikes.
They d ance w ith a frenzy and w or-
ship the angry music and b and mem-
b ers of such groups as Suicid al Ten-
d encies, Septic D eath, Nazi P unks,
Slayer, Sex G ang Child ren and Social
D estruction.
D rug and alcohol ab use, sex ual
recklessness, satanic rituals and outra-
geous b ehavior and reb ellion against
all forms of societal authority are part
of the culture.
For the ex tremists, so is self- mutila-
tion such as b urning "happy facts" on
their arms w ith cigarette lighters and
cutting crud e slogans into the
ir thighs
and arms.
Is punk and heavy metal a passing
fad for most teenagers, Just another
generation show ing its youthful
antip
athy for the estab lishment?
Or is it a peril to society that must
b e halted b y using various "d e- punk-
mg and d e- metalizing" techniques, as
some memb ers of the psychiatric com-
munity are now ad vocating?
Apparently, the notion is grow ing
that a small percentage of true b eliev-
ers in punk and heavy metal are d an-
gerously out of control, acting out
their faith in the nihilistic message of
the music to w here they end up in
juvenile courts, mental hospitals
. May-
he even cemeteries.
L v co
r un
And that they should b e "d e- punk-
ed and d e- metaled " b efore it' s too late.
More than 1 5 0 parents, teachers, pro-
b ation officers, psychiatrists and po-
lice w ho turned out for an all- d ay
conference in P asad ena earlier this
month to d iscuss the potentially evil
effects of the punk and heavy metal
culture.
P unk and heavy metal parapher-
nalia w as passed around . Chilling
stories w ere told like the one ab out
the 1 5 - yearold "heavy metaler" w ho
smashed all the furniture in his par-
ents' house and b eat his mother ab out
the face.
A vid eotape called "Spikes and
Stud s" w as also played show ing young
w omen tearing aw ay their clothes and
offering their b od ies to the musicians.
Titled "Sound and Fury, " the con-
ference one of the first to b e held
on the punk- metal phenomenon
w as sponsored b y the Back in Control
Training Center in Fullerton, w hich
started up recently b y tw o former
Orange County prob ation officers to
teach parents w hat to look for and
how to get tough w ith their child ren.
For center d irectors G reg Bed ew
hamer and D arlyne P ettinicchio,
punk and heavy metal particularly
metal is pub lic enemy No . 1 .
They maintain there is a d irect link
b etw een the aggressive music and life-
style, and teen- age suicid e, homicid e
and self- inflicted w ound s.
"These kid s have b een totally
b rainw ashed b y this stuff . They' ve got
to b e d e- punked , d e- metalized , " Bod -
enhanter said .
Ile and P ettinicchio point to some
w ell- pub licized casts over the past
year.
Last Octob er, 1 9 - year- old Jennif-
er New ton w as sentenced to 25 years
in prison for stab b ing and b lud geon-
ing her mother to d eath in Fullerton.
P rosecutors said New ton and her b oy-
friend w ere ab sorb ed w ith heavy met-
al music.
last August, tw o teen- age San
Bernard ino b oys, d escrib ed b y author-
ities as "into the heavy metal scene, "
w ere accused of murd ering a 1 5 - year-
old b oy w ho passed out and w as shack-
led to heavy milk crates near his
home.
In January, a 1 4 - yearold b oy w as
found b y his parents b leed ing in his
Santa Monica b ed room after he sliced
his knuckles w ith a knife and
scraw led a giant "A" for anarchy on
the w all . He survived .
Not everyone shares the somew hat
alarmist position that surfaced at the
P asad ena conference.
"I really d on' t think they' re any b ig
threat, " Los Angeles police D etective
Harry And rew s said . "Sure w e arrest q
few of them for d angerous w eapons
like attaching spikes on their hand s.
But really, you know , people thought
w e w ere crazy too ( in the ' 60 s)
. "
As D r. Rex timb er, assistant profes-
sor of med icine at U CLA, ex plained
: "I
w ould make the argument that in any
given tune in history, there' s alw ays
b een a percentage of young people
w ho are nihilistic, d espairing, w ith
psychological d isord ers and into a lot
of d rug use.
"But I also think it' s a mistake to
say the music promulgates the nihil-
ism, although the metalists w ill rein-
force violent, crazy b ehavior . "
Opinions, how ever, are mix ed and
emotions are running hot.
"This w hole movement is ab out
hate hating your school, your par-
ents, everything, " said Reevah Simon,
a psychological social w orker at U SC
Med ical Center. "P unk and heavy met-
al just teaches them that the w orld is
w orthless, that it' s hopeless and
there' s nothing to live for. "
Simon recalled treating one 1 6-
year- old she claimed w as ob sessed b y
the heavy metal scene w ho slugged it
out one night w ith his parents w hen
they ord ered him to stay home.
"He w ent w ild , smashing the stereo
and everything, and his father had to
sit on top of him in the b ack seat of the
car w hile they w ere rid ing to the
( mental health) clinic, " she said .
Although punk and heavy metal
are used interchangeab ly b y outsid -
ers, there is a d ifference.
There' s a consensus that punk had
Its origins in the w hite ind ustrial ghet-
tos of England in the late ' 60 s and
early 7 0 s.
For the punker, the d ress cod e cov-
ers the spectrum ; the hair is short and
often d yed several colors. And the
music suggests a certain d esperation
and hopelessness ab out the w orld .
The punk symb ol is an "A" for
anarchy. Shock value is vital . The true
punker may autograph himself w ith
knife cuts across the arm or run a
safety pin through his cheek.
By contrast, there' s more militan-
cy, almost a fascist strain to the heavy
metalers
. The b lack, spike- strew n uni-
form is important, and metalers, un-
like punkers, w ear their hair longer
and cropped on top .
The music is macho, sex ist, and
strew n w ith satanic messages. Ex am-
ples of metaler graffiti : "666, " "Kill
Them All, " and "NATAS" ( the latter is
Satan spelled b ackw ard , a w ord often
chanted at heavy metal concerts) .
Bod enhamer said the key ad vice
he imparts to parents is for them to
take total control of their ad olescent
and d emand that they have no associa-
tion w ith anything or anyone having
to d o w ith punk or metal.
"If they get violent, I tell them to
call the police and make a citizen' s
arrest, " Bod enhamer said . "You have
to treat them like child ren
. Follow
them everyw here, get the names and
ad d ress of their friend s. Complete sur-
veillance. You' ve got to make them
see that they have no choice b ut to
ob ey. "
Bod enhamer, a consultant to
schools, prob ation d epartments and
social service agencies, claims he' s
w orked w ith 9 80 to 5 80 parents and
never had a failure "if they just stuck
w ith it and show ed persistence. "
This "tough love" kind of practice
rum counter to the prevailing thought
in most child psychology circles, how -
ever.
Santa Ana child psychologist Ben.
jamin Amerson acknow led ges the
Bod enhamer method is gaining sonic
acceptance, b ut, he w arned , "The par-
ent d oes stand the risk of losing corn.
plete control over the child . A lot of
time, it' s b etter not to overreact . P a.
Hence still counts for a great d eal"
Warning: Mines
The w arning early tod ay that San Francisco Bay coffee cups to look like the spikes of a mine and
w as heavily mined . b rought out police cars. painted b lack . Hand b ills posted on b uild ings
Coast G uard b oats and even the Navy But the said "Warning' the P ort of San Francisco has
cops soon found that the 20 ' mines" b ob b ing b een Hoed " The cops arrested Claire O' Brien
along the shoreline w ere b alloons Yvonne end
Vickie
Row e of San Francisco, w ho said .
Lineb srger, ab ove. of SF' s Sorg End Row ing "Were lust punkers "
Club inspects one It' s stud d ed vnih Styrofoam
-
KANSANtuRVAMU 5 ( I KKA KG M1 5 5 1 0 : 666
- "I' M
A R- LIFE a corn?i1 a4 ion LP
KAA0 5

R1 5 1 1 INNAU LIf
tU - LP
coming soon
KAAOS :SATKYNUKKE- EV
W. .M
.`- DEMocRAcv?
T,K . - TP
.EHORSE- LP
LF 47 + 1z
Pi p
EP 12
6,4RAB,AS -z ire

1 .so
June
1 Tin Pan Alley, NYC
6
P . B . Kelley, Richmond, Va.
7 Danceteria,NYC,W/ Butthole
8 CBGB's, NYC,w/B'holes
14 Subway Club, NYC, w/B'holes
16 Tracks,Detroit,w/ Big Black
17 Kalamazoo, Mi. w Big Black
18 Chicago, Ill
. w Big Black
19 Underground, Milwaukee
21 Kansas City, Kansas
22 Jailhouse, Norman, Ok.
23 Theatre Gallery, Dallas
O FF T H E P A GE A N D I N YO U R FA C E
surfers
z
. .
.
.
0
DI ST RI BU T O RS ,,
. ,
; , N
Contact MORDAM
P N I M
. f I
Rec or ds
(41 5) 863 - 7 01 1 1
JULY
9
Houston
10 Baton Rouge
11 Pensacola
12 New Orleans
13 Atlanta
MORE TO COME
co
N ew LP -
c om i ng fr om N . O . T
. A .
TOURING THIS SUMMER & BOOKING 918-749-1454
by \:
G ary Rob ert
Rob Kulakofsky
M i k e A r r edondo
over 1 00 O U T RA GEO U S 3D phot os

featuring
Black F lag Crucifix Battalion of Saints Lewd TSOL
Dead Kennedys Circle Jerks F uck Ups Verbal Abuse F U's
Raw Power Cause for Alarm Youth Brigade Riistytet F ear
7 Seconds M*D*C*
Toxic Reasons Minor Threat MIA
Reagan Youth Stranglehold DOA Sado Nation Die Kreuzen
T ar get Vi deo
3 D G LASSES INCLU D ED WITH BOOK
ROU G H TRAD E IMP ORTANT SYSTEMATIC
D istrib ution
b y TOXIC SHOCKD U TCH EAST IND IA
JEMG REENWORLD MOD ERN RECORD S
Send check or money ord er to :

Ad d $1
. 5 0 for shipping & hand ling.
I N 3D, 5841 Gear y Blvd
.

C A r es i dent s add 6% t ax.

San Francisco, CA
9 4 1 21

Foreign or First Class

(out s i de U S s end i nt er nat i onal m oney or der )

add $3 . 00
s hi ppi ngand
handli ng.
" . . . makes you think you're
really there
. 3D yeah-hoo! "
THRASHER
"Excellent, excellent job!"
Martin LEADING EDGE
"
. .
. it's very well
done,
very
neat . "
Mauro
RAW PCNIER
" . .
. it's great! Funny to
see everyone in 3D
. Opening
quote is an award winner.
My mom wants one . . . "
Ian MINOR THREAT

II P U BLISHER' S EXCLU SIVE !

SP EC I A L C O LLEC T O R
' S
EDI T I O N
Si gned and N um ber ed $1295
w ith ex tra glasses
CONGRATULATIONS

ebbDII
PUN
A dem ons t r at or i n M aas t r i c ht , N et her lands , lum ped fr om a foun-
t ai n aft er dr oppi ng hi s pant s as t he pope pas s ed by
MI101N gE4RMANY
m41-APLEMM D PROUM`I
D
AND ET DIIDD BNSEDWLW

Qb
Da4 LSD UIIO'NS 1 YOUII;3EEPRMM1`f
M5I II ~77MM
:CMO'
AND "IIWI
OM
THEMRR STAFF
P LA C EBO REC O RDS
N EW
J . F. A .
M A D GA RDEN 1 2" EP . . . $4. 50 ppd.
d istrib uted b y: rough trad e, jem, important,
d utch east ind ia,
systematic, greenw orld , tox ic shock
P H O EN I X C A T A LO GU E
1 9 84 JFA Ip6. 0 0
1 9 84 ZANY G U YS "P arty Hits Vo . 1 1 "3 . 0 0
1 9 84 SU N CITY G IRLS D EBU T Ip6. 0 0
1 9 84 MIG HTY SP HINCTER D EBU T ep 3 . 0 0
1 9 84 P HOENIX COMP ILATION ( "This is P hoenix
not the Circle Jerks") 6. 0 0
1 9 83 CONFLICT ( "Last Hour") 5 . 5 0
1 9 83 JFA ( "Valley of the Yakes' ) 6. 0 0
1 9 82 AMU CK COMP ILATION LP
( JFA, Soylent G reen. Sun City G irls, Maureen
Tucker and more) 1 7 songs6 0 0
1 9 81 JFA "Blatant Localism " ep2. 5 0
1 9 80 FEED ERS "Jesus" ep2
. 5 0
1 9 7 9 BRAINS 4 5 2 songs2. 5 0
all selections postage paid
T - SH I RT S/P O ST ERS
JFA 1 9 83 Out of School Tour
( P icture of Reagan w /target on Head )
7
. 0 0
MAD ISON SQU ARE G ARD EN SHIRT
( D raw ing of Stage/Ring)
7 . 0 0
1 9 84 JFA Tour T- Shirt
7 0 0
1 9 85 JFA Skate Tour T- Shirt
7 . 0 0
1 9 84 Zany G uys T- Shirt
7 . 0 0
1 9 84 Mighty Sphincter T- Shirt
7 . 0 0
JFA P oster 84 Tour
2. 5 0
NOTES FROM THE U ND ERG ROU ND MAG
4 3 , 64
1
. 0 0 ea.
STICKERS
1 9 84 ZANY G U YS
1 9 84 MIG HTY SP HINCTER

4 " x 4 "
1 9 84 SU N CITY G IRLS

2 for $1 . 0 0
1 9 81 JFA
1 9 84 JFA
AD D $1 . 5 0 FOR OVERSEAS ORD ERS
P LACEBO RECORD S
P . O . BOX 23 3 1 6
P hoenix . AZ 85 0 63
60 2) 24 5 - 0 4 67
You and friend s are d istrib utors,
lab el, ed itor, w riter, pub lisher, mail ord er
outfit,

prod ucer,

agent,

presid ent,
financer, cooperative ind ies, employee,
b oss, secretary, promo d ept . , and mayb e
artist sometimes, w ho know s.
These are id eas that have w orked
for us ( thanks D ave) .
- Only d o w hat you w ant . U se at
least TD K- D ( their cheapest) , if you can.
4 for $1 tapes often are shit in a year . I
think BASF & Memorex are b ad and TD K &
Max ell are good . If possib le, use a d oub le
d eck, Technics is good , or any 2 d ecks
together . File w ith the city if you ex pect
to b e around to pay tax es ( it can avoid
hassles later on) . P ut some ad somew here
asking b and s to send you their tapes ( or
b and s you know , w hatever) . Work,
communicate & share w ith others . D ifferent
people have d ifferent strengths and
w eaknesses. Make an info sheet to give
each b and . Be sure you have the
permission of each b and to use their
tracks. We give 2 copies of the tape to
each b and . No need to time the songs
w hen making the master . Just put the
songs on in the ord er you w ant and at
the end try to find a song or 2 so little
b lank space is left. We put the songs from
each oriinal tae

sent

onto a sin le

D an re r- 1.1

0CC712

0- 2'1
Ln[~~:11 1171
CCuL,
oW
PfUQ1rr
jl

61 :71 ' j'D

vvu uu~u.0i ...m
;master ( TD K- SA or w hatever) . Then, copy
:from it w ith little sound quality loss
. Clean ,
the d eck head s and d e- magnify every 1 2 to - - - -
1 4 uses. We like to leave as little space as
JU U ~L, Ii -
possib le b etw een tracks- - more fun, more
rnm
~'j~ r
r1?
musi c
. Don't use songs that are shi t . Use WWLrL.~ul
the best ones for a strong comp. Have i TvTIIDPnpr
fun. Adverti se. We get 80% of our contacts emu " ~~
& ord ers from MRR, b ut it never b rings in
enough to pay for the $20 to $5 0 ad s
. We
trad e tapes for ad s w ith lots of zines.
- Try to answ er all mail & fill all
ord ers w ithin 3 w eeks
. Ex pect a third of
all you w rite to, to never answ er . Ex pect
to lose money on the w hole project- - punk
just d oesn' t pay, unless you charge over
$5 a tape and usually just ROIR and b ig
b usiness d oes that . D on' t ex pect to sell
more than 20 0 to 3 0 0 of any tape. Vinyl
sells from 20 0 to 1 0 , 0 0 0 . Oh fucking w ell.
Mail 1 tape at first class rate,
. 7 3 C
. Tw o
or more at 4 th class rate, . 69 C. D on' t use
tape b ox es w hen mailing overseas- - too
much
S .
Avoid glued or taped stamps and
illegal phone calls, there is no free lunch.
Some d o it, I d on' t, w e all choose. D on' t
send packages if they are w eak . U se tape
( not scotch or masking) to make the
envelope strong just so they d on' t end up
on the post office floor. G et inex pensive
x erox w hen possib le. Cop y b oth ! of
~ . " TERVEET
KADET
DE[?a Ch[1"1' u
w
TPEt UL LP^_
papers if you can. Keep all correspond ence
and use that as your record s
. Forget
elab orate ex tra record s, usually too much
time ( unless you have a computer) . P ut all
correspond ence in d ifferent envelopes, like
for b and mail, European mail ord ers, etc.
Then, w hen you need to find 1 paper, you
d on' t have to sift through 5 0 0 , just 5 0 .
Never kiss anyone on the lips, ever.
Mayb e have someone in Europe, U SA or ?
make and sell copies of yer tape from a
master you send them . They can give you
0 to . 7 5 C or punk stuff for each sold . If
you' re gonna b e greed y, a liar, a cheat or
fuck w ith people, then just get into rock
and its agents, prod ucers, b ig b usiness
and their b ig b ucks/b ig asshole w ays.
You d ecid e on everything- - yippie!
Chris/ BCT/ P
. O . Box 1 620 5 /
San D iego CA 9 21 1 6
WRITEFoR
IrD1GESVI
Injections:
1Cagt Wl i tr
FI RST ST RI K E
9 BUDS
47 SONGS
F,,
' ~ ~' ~

CANY
5 TAi 'e3ooRi
f
l7
.oc!!!)
%S& O
M I N U T ES EA .
00
fi/g'
sc,
L ?;' n<
;t

~RS tL7-
:"
4 1'4' ,w,nq
.4RJAgroNeYe
DE2
T1IIClNCOIOLLADO 2
uRNRIIINSPIOLLTI
ON
POISONCr5T1Fi
~_ ffi
RICH SEOr5 RELZ
C=CIIL BRN18T8ROUGH
CLITBOSSxR1PP
,w e :

081 1 _1 . 5

P s Kw,
C
coVE cANAC
*Ni 1EPRIDE
I bE~[ N T t o J A C (ELEM T
O
R$
6i s o4t , N P c Y
c ooN DU c '
r
SN VRM N EU I 1. w YM /AA W1 t Ei WI (M ~[
Ori fftmag
SF BAY AREA- - Well,after a few
absent months,here I am. Have I been lax or
what?Well basi cally,I've just been busyas
a bee,you mi ght say. So I guess I'll just try
to pull i t all together &let you knowwhat
the fuck's been happeni n' round these
parts. . .
I'll just dash i nto Apri l for a
second- - wai t- - howabout 7 SECONDS?Ha!
Prettygood,huh?Well,thi s just stood out as
one of the,uh,most posi ti ve shows i n a
whi le. The Mab was packed- - ki ds just poured
out of the woodwork for thi s one. And i t was
great- - I was up front when the stagedi vi ng
started,and i t was all these mi nature people- -
and they'd just bounce off of your head!! It
was i ntense!! The most fun I've ever had
bei nd dove on! Also a great showby
SOCIAL UNREST. Theyhave a new1p
comi ng out soon on Li berti ne Records,so
keep yer eyes open.
Starti ng off Maywas the "showof
controversy"- - AGNOSTIC FRONT,VERBAL
ABUSE,&the FUCK UPS
. It was really
muddled- - fi rst i t was s'posed to be at the
Mab,then was cancelled,then was at the
Sound of Musi c. Fi rst i t was an "Anti MRR"
show,then i t wasn't,then some "Rock
Agai nst MRR"flyers were seen around. Lots
of people were getti ng i nti mi dated i nto not
goi ng,and others just di dn't care.
ANYHOW- - I just wanted to go
. I had never
seen AF,and I wanted to see thi s showfor
myself,and I reallyli ke the FUCK UPSand
VERBAL ABUSE
. So,no problem. Great
ti ght sets byboth the FUCK UPS&
VERBAL ABUSE,and as far as AGNOSTIC
FRONT- - reallystrong and powerful musi c,
and sure got the mani ac pi t wri thi ng (and
yes- there were plentyof ski ns- - probablythe
most I've ever seen i n one place,but no real
hassles) . The onlyproblems I had were when
theyki ssed the ameri can flag before hangi ng
i t up, - and thei r rap to thei r buddi es fromthe
LA Front who were up here for the show,
and the "Ski ns Uni te"feel to thei r set
. After
the showthere was a mi nor ri ot i nvolvi ng
some of the crowd and some of the
Tenderloi n locals. .
.add a li ttle raci al tensi on
and a lot of chaos,confusi on,and broken
glass- - and i t ended wi th someone getti ng
thei r throat sli t
. It was i ntense,to saythe
least. And whyi s i t that whenever you see
real blood i t looks so fake??
And hey- - on a much li ghter note-
MADONNA came to town. You know,on her
"Vi rgi n Tour". What a gal,huh?! And guess
who was touri ng wi th her?The BEASTIE
BOYS!! Oh,I di dn't get to go,but got to talk
wi th the BEASTIESfor a bi t . Theyseemed to
be prettyblown awaybythi s ki nd of a tour.
Oh. I've decreed Mayto be the
"Month of the Double Bass Drum"
. Why?
Because all of a sudden we had 3bands use
'em- DOA,the UGLY AMERICANS,and
REDD KROSS. I reallyli ke howpowerful i t
sounds fromhavi ng heard a lot of metal
bands use them,so I was just stoked.
OK . I'll start off wi th the UGLY
AMERICANSvi si ti ng fromNorth Caroli na.
Incredi ble showbythem- - about the ti ghtest
set I've anyone do i n a long ti me . Fromone
song ri ght
i nto the next,and really
powerful. I don't knowhowtheykept i t up.
On the same bi ll was STILL BORNfrom
Syracuse,NY
. They're a good,fast,
band- - and thei r si nger has the wei rdest
presence- - I can't wai t to see 'emagai n. Also
the same ni ght we got treated to an i ncredi bly
chi ldi sh move bythe FACTION. Seems that
the door di dn't take i n even as much as they
were guaranteed- - so theystomped out and
refused to playunti l theyhad $ 150(of the
$ 200door take) i n thei r hands. Thi s resulted
i n PARIAHgetti ng $ 30,and the two out of
state bands- - UGLY AMERICANSand
STILL BORN- - getti ng $ 30and $ 16,
respecti vely. As far as I'mconcerned,thi s
was prettylame of the FACTION. I rnavbe
prettyi deali sti c,but where the hell i s support
among bands goi ng?It pi ssed me off that a
fri end and I both pai d our $ 5 to ensure that
the bands would get pai d,and then the
FACTIONends up getti n' all the money.
Hmmm
Well,more i nteresti ng BSthat ni ght
courtesyof MGP(whi ch stands for Money
Grubbi ng Pi gs- - seri ously)
. What was bi lled
i n the paper as ADOLESCENTS,CIRCLE
JERKS,WASTED YOUTH,MENTORS,&
DI appeared as WASTED YOUTH,
ABANDONED,MENTORS,&UGLY
AMERICANS. I can't reallydeci de what
pi ssed me off more- - seei ng all these people
who had been ri pped off bycomi ng to see a
bogus li neup- or just seei ng all these people
flock to see all these bi g name LA bands
when theydon't support local and out of
state bands. I don't knowfor sure,but i t
bugs me
. But,more fun was soon to follow
as I tri ed to help the UGLY AMERICANSget
some money. Basi cally,i t was a "what
money?"type of si tuati on
. Crai g fromMGP
had supposedlypromi sed the "LA package"
$ 1000,and therefore could onlypaythe
UGLY AMERICANS20bucks. Gee,that
sure sounds fai r . I don't reallyunderstand
what MGP's tri p i s,but I would defi ni tly
advi se bands to be cauti ous i n deali ng wi th
them.
Ah. Nowback to fun (and more
double bass drums)
. Ki nd of a mass record
release partyat the Stone wi th DOA,
FRIGHTWIG,the DICKS,and the
FASTBACKS. Areat set bythe DICKS,as
always. And good luck to themon thei r
upcomi ng tour- - and congrats on the new1p
"These People". FRIGHTWIG was amazi ng/
Ii umu'a lTI / amazi nn/i ncredi ble . Really.
That
' s all I can sayabout them
. You must
check themout- - and congrats to themon
thei r new1p "Cat FarmTaboo". And
then- - DOA! Some people maygi ve themshi t
for bei ng too rock &roll,but I sti ll li ke them
(ok- i f I'ma wi mp,I'll admi t i t). Di mwi t
sure can blare on those drums- - and what a
bunch of goofballs those guys are!! Great
cover of "'That's Li fe"as an encore. And
congrats as well to DOA on thei r new1p
"Let's Wreckthe Party".
Then I just zi pped across Broadwayto
catch REDD KROSSat the Mab . INTENSE.
Theyhave a newdrummer- - Glen from
PANDEMONIUM,who i s fucki ng
i ncredi ble!! Oh hey- and qui te a rousi ng
rendi ti on of "SaturdayNi ght"bythe BAY
CITY ROLLERS.
Then we round off the month wi th a
vi si t bythe SUBHUMANSand SCREAM.
The SUBHUMANSwere absolutely
amazi ng- - God! The i ntensi tyof them!!! And
SCREAM- - thi s was the fi rst ti me that I had
seen them. I was blown away!! And anyband
that has a Boogi e amp can't go wrong i n my
book.
OKAY. And now,a bi t of
gossi p.The AFFLICTED have been si gned
to Pregnant Records. . . .The BLACK
ATHLETESdon't have Paul anymore- so as
far as I'mconcerned,theyaren't the BLACK
ATHLETESanymoreNewband to look
out for- - the WAYOUTZ fromSan Rafael.
Great 60's style psych.And another great
newband to check out- the PSYCHEDELIC
HALLWAY. They're an all- gi rl acapclla
psych band. Hey- check out the name of thi s
song- - "There's Some Gluesti ck Over There
For the Pi eces of Your Mi nd".
Amazi ng' CHRIST ONPARADEare
planni ng to tour- - and maybe some
vi nyl?. . . .Newband fromTi buron called
SPOILED CHILDREN. They're all under 15
and i nto skati ng- - good luck you guys! And
send pi cs!!
. .. .And news fromCONDEMNED
TO DEATH
. Kei th i s movi ng to Australi a to
playbass for DEATHSENTENCE,who are
changi ng thei r name to CONDEMNED TO
DEATHSENTENCE
. Scottyi s nowsi ngi ng
for VERBAL ABUSE- - and lovi ng every
mi nute of i t,aren't you?And Ti mi s movi ng
to Flori da
. Good luck to all you guys- - and
keep i n touch!!. . .. Some promoter numbers,
perhaps? Paul Rat/ 431- 1326,DMR/
652- 1150,MGP/ 863- 5190,Mabuhay/
956- 3315
. Above are 415 area code. Also,
Strai ght Razor at 408- 737- 8650.
Well,that's i t for now,gang. As
usual,send me pi cs and i nfo of your local
bands- - and anyother i nfo as well,to PO Box
988,San Franci sco,Ca,94101 . Chowfor
now,catchya later,and all that junk. Hey,
and i f you fi nd anycool stuff on the
street- - save i t for me! Bye- - KENT!!!!
P.S. Pus says "SAMHAINplayed a really
good showat the Mab wi th 'true beli evers'
traveli ng fromfar to si ng along,i ncludi ng
METALLICA guys headbangi ng. Who says
there i sn't a crossover?"
SC RE
A b rand new LP
THIS SIDE UP
Co- released on
: Six th International/D ischord Record s
a)
0
a
3E.Ps out.
now
.
TAI
Each EP $1 , a)
send
CASH or
r: ;

A-
TI N L

'
U ) - ob u
C- r- S
e
i

Y, ~
D
1 1 ~~
r \es `fti eAc
oW
corn
1
e 5od;s ' ,

- o mL LAN
iiz)c
i-

F
ho' Or\oosl hotter
ahhe
.n A v
.
.
.,
.

_L

T
Vi a'

ix) [1-vi,
Noi,ie~` 17Wv
1111
O/JD ' R G ACTVE~

n~
;~~q~ e
aS ,

idle
oU'Vee~ W ifir
ATG- HD U r
tfERECCME
~ TliE

5]
i
I
Tn
:9
W
i ?'
i3
so,
Can'

D J

,!If-

O
I,/

0
CAS E LLA POSTALE 18252
50100 FIRENZE 18 (ITALIA)
*W 0
1

B
9
M RR
: GO N N A P U T A T A P E O U T ? B
. It w as the 7 th of
Feb ruary,
w asn' t
it?

D : We already have one out

.

It w as a
Thursd ay
.

MRR
: I
MEAN, ARE YOU G ONNA MAKE
IT
&
D
: We had a d ifferent d rummer
.

4
KNOWN
SO
YOU CAN
GET GROUPIES
ALL

ACROSS THE
COU NTRY?

. .

A.
~J

' : But w e played a party

.
41
M
. What party?

J
: This one is mainly for the

~~
D :
Hey,
w hen you
play a
party
you' re

4
around
here.

people

a~a

officially a b and
. I think that' s
art
the rule

D Hopefully we're

in

3 fR' P .9t' eo oa4

, a
a6

b ook of hard core b and s

.

Record s.

go
in down to Mystic
e~

R
F
C
9e ,j
MRR :
D OES THE BAND HAVE A CERTAIN

eY
<e,s 1
o ..44, ..

M ESSA GE
T H A T
YO U 'RE
T RYI N G T O
GET

b;
ACROSS?

IJ
: Yeah, and

~ "osay: r1yT
S
.OG

D
: It' s most)

I' m no

have a rnmp'
s go i
set ub,

Y personal politics, ab out

not sure
. It' s one that' s g th
g
tO
feelings
. Most of it' s like accusing music
;

asy
fha7 ao~S, 9 ~FCC
s
d istrib uted In

O1 ^
Canad a and

nort
. But

7 ro

q
~,
It' s not really like "Oh, you should d o this
J

, w hat w e w anted to d o
couple of

originally is get a
4 1

`
ea,y

09 '
n
oCTF O
J
. G ive an ex ample.
or that",

b and s together and start one

ourselves
. But someone w ants us to go to

as aey
. Next
q uestion.
MRR :
WHO ARE YOU R INFLU ENCES?

, songs, and record for

the rights ab out 1 0

OCeOq -
D
: Mine is CIRCLE JERKS
; Jeff' s is the

them

and then get the rights to put

mir
o
STIFFS

them on a b unch of cum

. .

, .

'
,
_

By CAU STICod ge NOTIONS has only

been
Chris D
b eginning of this year,
around since the
b ut they alread y have arfthw ing
and d ii have )
played severa
lTh
Yows are

well-rec
eived
SECON
DS.

I
did this intervie
w
w henever they can get familiar w ith them.
w ill
so that people includ ing promoters.
Many people,
agree w ith me w hen 1 say that
CAU STI
C
NOTIONS
are definitely a band to look for
is: Jeff
in the near future . The Brad ley
line- up b ass) ,
Block ( guitar) , Marshal
l
rues d rums) , and D evil?
Brian ' Circles' G urney
Mauld i ( vocalsD ID
YOU
START? D ID YOU
MRR:
MU TATE FROM ANOTHER=
AN
=

II

J : MutateT

* ~
M
: What' s mutate?
D
: Well

I b roke
r
.

up w ith
ANT
I-SOCIAL

mt Jeff,
foig ht w hen I e
mt

0
I like the
STIF F S
too.
r m a nother
h

Ja

and w e
d ecid ed
to '
B:
eJ :
P unk
rock .

b and ,

J
: Old TSOL

D :

And w e
found

4 B
: I ost
listen
f o
to
's
Iteverything
shit .

MRR
: B

: WHO
.
D evinWRITES MOST OF
THE SONG S?
gutter
rehab ili
, He' s an alcoholic Marshall

thee

D :
MRM
d
inTHENAME
"CAU STIC
nd
him, And

cou
tate

BWeha

R :
HO"WCOME
D ID ABOU T?

,
J
: Where d id w

, NOT :IIONS
t means thoughts,

M. D avin.
w e find Brian? I d on' t think

strange id eas or
. .

B
. Well, Jeff d oes music.
w e even know him
.

D
D
: We had
tk

J
Decayed
ideas'
corrosive ide as
.

it's the other way around sometimes. We

o mae a tae
. d ictionary.
d ay and
. . ,

p for KF JC
one

B
: Look it up In the

have a uniq ue song writing techniq ue. OK,

:tape
The
. first d ay w e got together w e mad e

'
MRR
: DO
YOU
CONSIDER
YOURSELVES
A

you go into Devin's brother's room with a )

aJ

P OLITICAL OR ANARCHIST BAND ?

1 1 2- pack, guitar amp, guitar, mike, mike

M:
No,
we just heard Brian play
drums

Maybe

so w e got hi
, m.
MRR
: HOW LONG
HAVE YOU BEEN
MRR :
MAYBE
WHAT?
WI P
A RO U N ?

M
: Let 's leave I t at t hat .
J
; We d on' t know
. Our thoughts might ,
change

~. _
LOOK AT THIS ,WILL YA ? ! ? ! ?? ! ?

4 Dr ,

W 83
50

RECORDS
31- o

formerly Iconoclast Int'1.

Yeah, you re ember that small inde label fran Tucson Arizona that put out all
those neat cassettes and records full of 'underground sour
including bands like The Seldans, The Phantom Limbs and Yard 'ratan??
Well, Dionysus Records has moved to California and is putting out sate
happening records. Just look at what they've got !!!!!!
Thee F ourgiven-"It
Aint Pretty Down Here
" (ID8501)
Imagine if the feel of the '60s collided into the per of the '70s before your
eyes in the '80s! Imagine if early Blue Cheer, the original Sonics and The Cramps
were all in one group!! Imagine wildness, loads of reverb and pure energy
swirling around your head!!! Imagine no more
. Put on Thee F ourgiven's debut L. P.
These formes Unclaimed hers kick ass!!! Produced by Yard
Trauma member Lee Joseph.
Yard Trauma-"Must
Have Been Scenthing I Took Last Night
"
(ID8502)
They've left their desert home in Arizona for the freeways of L
. A
. and now
their ready tc give the world the second Y
. T. L. P
. !!! A close listen to their
60s Punk-Psych based sound will reveal musical and emotional influences from
far and wide that make Yard Traum a one of a kind group !!!!!!!
Experence your very van Yard Trauma today, get this L
. P
. right away!!!
Produced by Y. T
. members, Lee Joseph and Joe Dodge.
The Cynics-"Painted
My Heart" b/w "Sweet Young Thing" 7" 45 (ID8503s)
A new group fran Pittsburgh P. A
. with a Choclate Watchband cover and a original
that will melt in your mind, not in your hands!
r
ail order price-$5 . 50 per L. P . , $1
. 50 per 45

order
ible, YARD TRAtJ! T. S
HIR-Logo on OP art pattern, yellow ink on black shirt

ALLsI~! : : : $6
. 00
(no checks) to:
NSTRUCTIONS-$1 . 25 init
ial charge, . 25 per additional item
.

Lee Joseph/Dionysus Records

Overseas, please add $2
. 00 per item to the above (for aimclail)

Send
P. O.
cash or
1975
money
You'll also want to check out the Dionysus Records nail order list full of 60s Punk,

Burbank, CA 91507
Psych, and other wyld underground sounds n more, at reasonable prices
. Included with

U. S . A.
each order
. (on r

t) or send a S A S
. E.

_
BU Y M YREC O RDS- BI G C I T Y REC O RDS!
$ 2
. 00 P O ST P A I D.
BCR1 -
HINT TOO P RETTY COMP 7 "
( SOLD
OVT)
BCR2-
ARMED CITIZENS 7 "
( SOLD G U T)
BCR 3 - NICE AND LOU D CCMP 7
"
BCR 4 - SAVAG E CIRCLE 7 "
BCR 5 - D ONT WANT NO P ITY 7 "
,
MAKE CHECKS OR MONEY ORD ERS
OU T TO ME: JOHN SOU VAD JI `/KR
23 29 VANCE STREET, BRONx ,
N
. Y.
1 0 4 o9
( CASH P REFERRED ) D OLLARS ONLY!
BCR 6 - U NJU ST 1 2" OU T SOON!
By Mouse
With the millions of b and s springing up
in every place you look these d ays, it' s
hard for me to find a b and that makes a
sincere Impression w ith their music.
Recently, I saw BLAST, a b and from Santa
Cruz, California, that completely b lew me
aw ay
. I had the opportunity to interview
them at Track Record s in Hollyw ood . In a
minute, the results of that interview .
BLAST

I5 :

Steve/guitar/22,
Mike/guitar/1 9 ,

CLIFFORD /vocals/21 ,
D AVE/b ass/22, Bill/d rums/21 .
MRR
: We' ll get the archaic questions out of
the w ay b ecause you' ve never b een
interview ed b efore.
C
: This is the first.
MRR : D o you guys still go to school?
5 : We' ve all grad uated from high school,
out a couple of years now , and the only
one that still goes to school is Clifford .
MRR : What are you stud ying?
C : I' m prob ab ly gonna major in some form
of communications, b ut right now I' m
taking a lot of classes in political science
and theory.
MRR : Are any of these political interests
ex pressed through your music?
C : Mayb e ind irectly . We d on' t really aim at
anything or anyone in particular . It leaves
a lot of room for the ind ivid ual to
interpret our music. We b ring up a lot of
questions, b ut d on' t come to any immature
conclusions.
MRR : When d id BLAST b egin?
S : It started out u years ago, as M. A. D .
( see Not So Quiet On The Western Front) .
I w asn' t in the b and then. But as BLAST,
w e' ve b een together 1 year.
MRR : D oes the name "BLAST" have any
significance, or is it just . . .
S :A w ord that b est d escrib es our music.
MRR : Who thought of the name?
C: Mike came up w ith it.
D : We w anted it simple
; one w ord that said
it all . It ex plains w hat w e d o.
MRR : OK, speaking of d escriptive music,
you guys have 2 D an Armstrongs in the
b and : a d rum set w ith the cymb als all set
up flat, and amps d isplayed b latantly like
BLACK FLAG . Is there a reason for this?
S : The Armstrong guitars are totally
functional and they match w hatever you
w ear . It' s as simple as that, and they' re
just ind estructab le. That' s it.
C: We grew up listening to BLACK FLAG .
P eople could look at our equipment and go,
"Ohh, BLACK FLAG clones. "
5 : It' s not that w e' re trying to clone
them, it' s just that w e have a lot in
common.
MRR
: I' m not making any accusations, b ut
the b ass lines, off- key guitar riffs, and
strange b reaks d uring songs are very
FLAG , very G regg G inn.
C
: Let me put it this w ay : BLACK FLAG
is BLACK FLAG
. They have their
influences
. We grew up listening to BLACK
FLAG and some other b and s . We are
entitled to our influences . No matter w hat
b and , everyb od y has their influences, and
w e' re sick of b eing compared to other
b and s. . .
5 : Actually, w hen people compare us to
BLACK FLAG , I take it as a compliment . If
w e' re d oing similar, it' s gotta b e fucking
happening, and I' d rather b e like BLACK
FLAG then most anyb od y else.
MRR : Well, I must say that BLACK FLAG
is a very unique influence to have. It
b eats MAD ONNA.
C : The influence is there, b ut w hat w e d o
is us.
MRR : I can see that b y your appearance;
you' re all unique. Your b and d oesn' t have
one image of straight ed ge or d eath rock
or anything else. That is so cool these
d ays w hen everyb od y is into appearance.
S : We d o skateb oard .
C : I skate, b ut I d on' t consid er myself a
skater. I surf.
MRR : Yea, b ut you d on' t come on stage
earing b ermud a shorts w ith skateb oard s
attached to your b od ies! Anyw ay, since
you guys d on' t have an alb um out, I can' t
get ahold of a lyric sheet . What are some
of the things you ex press musically?
C : Just w hat w e d o is real . We' re not into
catagories. We d on' t fit into a group . Our
only image is us, the w ay w e are. We
d on' t d epend on anything b ut our music.
MRR : Has your music alw ays b een the
same or has it progressed as you get
old er?
C
: It' s similar, b ut it evolved into w hat it
is now and still is evolving.
MRR : How d o you feel w hen people accuse
you of leaning more to the metal sid e?
M: It really d oesn' t.
5 : We really d on' t care, b ecause w e d on' t
look heavy metal.
C: Steve listens to heavy metal.
P ersonally, I d on' t like metal, b ut I' m not
offend ed b y it.
MRR
: D o you guys have a lab el picked ou
for your record ?
C
: No .
MRR : Who' s financing this?
C : We are. We w ant someone to put out
our alb um . If there' s someb od y out there
w ho is w illing. . .
MRR : Why d id it take so long b efore you
b egan your alb um plans? You' ve b een
around for 4 years, b ut have never played
Los Angeles.
5 : We b roke up, and then just got b ack
together last summer.
C . They thought that I quit
. It' s just that
it d id n' t come together as a solid thing
until . . . Over the summer, w e just got
more into it.
M: We got more ex perienced in the w hole
d eal.
MRR : Who w rites the songs and music for
the b and ?
C: I w rite the lyrics and Steve or Mike
usually w rite the music.
MRR : D o you have any touring plans for
the near future?
D : Yes w e d o . That' s one of the reasons
w ere trying to push. . .
C: We' ve got a plan.
D : This is the start of our plan here
tonight.
5 : D R KNOW has invited us to go . We
w ould like to have an alb um out just for
security, so people know w ho the hell w e
are.
MRR : So D R KNOWw ants you to tour w ith
them ?
C: We like them a lot
. We w ould have a lot
of fun, almost too much fun.
MRR : How d o you guys support BLAST?
D o you have job s?
C:
Yeah, I w orked at a restaurant.
M, I' m still a silkscreener for Santa Crux
Skateb oard s.
D :
Every Santa Cruz skateb oard you' ve
seen, he has screened .
B : D ave and I paint houses professionally.
MRR : G reat.
B: You w ould n' t know it . We fell into it.
Now w e' re trapped .
MRR : D o you live at home?
C:
I have my ow n place, b ut I' m getting
evicted .
MRR : With your ages ( 20 and old er) , d o
you feel like old men compared to some of
the kid s I saw at the show last night?
B: No . It gives me more energy.
C: The little kid s are just another group
D . They' re b ringing up the w hole scene;
it' s continuing. But, there are b and s that
have a heavy follow ing w hen there is no
reason to follow them, w hen w hat they' re
saying is such complete b ullshit and
hypocrisy . I d on' t w ant to say any
names
.
. . .
MRR : Fine.
C : We just w ant to d o something that
actually means something.
MRR : Like w hat?
C: Our goal is to get people to think . Not
in any particular w ay, b ut only for
themselves . 1 0 0 %clear thought, not
influenced b y our id eas or anyb od y
else' s- - only their ow n .
MRR : What are some of the things you
d on' t cond one in groups?
C
: Some b and s have lyrics that are
ab solutely meaningless, and then. . .
MRR : What is meaningless to you guys?
C : P olitics. . . a d angerous w ord . How can
political b and s come to any conclusions
w hen there are no conclusions. How can
they answ er questions w hen there are no
questions in sight. They are coming to
conclusions that are premature. Hating one
particular group or society is not the key
to our ex istence. In ord er to ex ist, w e
have to re- evaluate
. The w orld has to stop
and think w hat w e' re gonna d o and how
w e' re gonna approach the future if w e' re
gonna survive. The path w e are on now is
not very b right.
5 : In our music, it' s our feelings and
emotions. It' s important for people to b e at
one w ith themselves b efore they try to
change the w orld . We haven' t reached that
goal yet b ecause w e are human. We are
just b ringing up questions that everyb od y
at one time thinks ab out or b etter think
ab out.
MRR : If you w ere in a position to sw ay
people' s philosophy, w ould you still think
the same w ay?
C : Yes, w e w ould . P eople like Jello Biafra
and Ian MacKaye know w hat they' re talking
ab out and mean it . But w hat' s stopping
someb od y from preaching something so
hid eous it w ould turn into some movement
b ecause of some key figure in this
particular scene started chanting it . P eople
should think_ for themselves
. There are
positive trend s though
. Straight ed ge w as
a positive trend that encouraged some
people from d oing something potentially
d angerous. But I d on' t see how people
could categorize themselves and say "We
are straight ed ge" and b ase their w hole
movement and w hole b and on one song b y
another b and . MINOR THREAT w rote the
song "Straight Ed ge" and all these b and s
came up and b ased their philosophies on
one id ea and one song . It' s the same w ith
D ISCHARG E.
MRR : What d o you think ab out the w hole
"peace punk" movement?
C
: It' s good , b ut people are alw ays going
to strive to stand out . We stand c'
b ecause w e' re ourselves.
S : Some people stand out so much
b egin to look the same as everyb od y else
w ho w ants to stand out
. P eople should
stand out in their id eas and thought
rather than their style of d ress.
MRR
: D o you encounter much jealousy in
the scene b y other b and s or people. I
mean, you have a really heavy sound and
some people may say things b ecause they
try b ut can' t successfully achieve the
sound that you d o so w ell.
5 : Our sound is a little d ifferent. Mayb e
w e d o, b ut w e ignore it . You' re alw ays
gonna run into people w ho d isagree.
D . I d on' t even acknow led ge it, w e d on' t
have time.
MRR : You guys get a d ifferent response
from most b and s. U sually, there is a
massive slam pit for others, b ut w hen you
play everyb od y is crow d ing the stage,
shaking their fists and jumping on the
mike.
C : A clenched fist means so much more
than a heavy metal hand sign, w hich is
conformity b ecause the guy nex t to you is
d oing the same thing.
MRR : What d o you mean?
C: Someb od y mad e up that sign, b ut a
clenched fist is more natural and show s
more freed om and emotion.
MRR : Back to your record : how many
tracks w ill it have?
5 : Jesus . . . 1 2 songs.
MRR : Is there anything you w ant to ad d
to this Clifford soliloquy?
D It' s sad w hen b and s feel they have to
compete. We feel no need to compete.
C. When w e played w ith CORROSION OF
CONFORMITY, w e argued for w ho w as to
head line. You! No, you! Neither of us
w anted to.
D : When w e' re together, w e play for each
other.
N,,
MT
I
i
1
SPRE E
D
NrY
DIRT
HVY
p
RT
DRT

.r>s9~~~~~r 1
ii
I
I
4 . 7 5 plus 1
. 5 0 postage & hand ling U . S.
4 . 7 5 plus 2
. 5 0 postage & hand ling over seas.
Send check, or money ord er to:
SAVAGE BEATRECORDS
P 0 BOX 23 3 2
BU ENA P ARK CA 9 0 621 .
Allow 4 to 6 w eeks for d elivery.
Fan mail & more info.
Send self ad d ressed stamped envolope

a - -
1
I
Their 1 2in. 6 song E
. P .
is now availab le on
Savage Beat Record s.
Comming to your local
record store soon.
Comming soon from Savage Beat Record s.
P ig Child ren Blood for the State
'
Ab and oned Kill b y Faith'
MIND MATTER RECORDS
POB 421304 SF,CA. 94142 U.S
.A.
T A P ESA N U
LI T ERA T U RE
1
"SU CH A LOVELY" TOU R ' 85

1
A DREN A LI N O . D.
MIND MATTER RECORDS
MAY3 1

CATASAQU A, P A

JU LY4

RENO, NV
JU N E1

A LLEN T O WN , P A

JU LY 5

SA N FRA N C I SC O , C A
JU N E2

C LEVELA N D, O H

JU LY 6- 21 C A LI F.
JU N E
3

C O LU M BU S, O H

JU LY 23

P H O EN I X , A Z
JU NE 4

D ETROIT,
MI

JU LY 24

TU SCON, AZ
JU NE5

ANN ARBOR, MI

JU LY25

EL
P ASO, TX
JU NE7

U RBANA, IL

JU LY26

ALBEQU ERQU E, NM
JU NE8

CHICAG O, IL

JU LY27

SANTAFE, NM
JU NE9

MAD ISON, WI

JU LY28

NORMAN, OK
JU NE1 0

MILWAU KEE, WI

JU LY29

TU LSA, OA
JU NE1 2

G REEN BAY, WI

JU LY3 0

D ALLAS, TO
JU NE1 3

MINNEAP OLIS, MN

AU G . 2

AU STIN, TX
JU N E
1 4

I O WA C I T Y, I A

A U G . 3

H O U ST O N , T X
JU NE1 5

D ESMOINES, IA

AU G . 4

BATON ROU G E, LA
JU NE 1 6 LINCOLN, NE

AU G . 5

NEWORLEANS, LA
JU NE1 7

KANSAS CITY

AU G . 7 - 1 2 FLORID A
JU NE1 9

D ENVER, CO

AU G . 1 3

ATLANTA, G A
JU N E21

SA LT LA K E C I T T , U T

A U G . 1 4

RA LEI GH , N C

1
JU NE22

BOISE, ID

AU G . 1 5

D U RHAM, NC

I
JU NE24

P ORTLAND , OR

AU G . 1 6

RICHMOND , VA

I
JU NE25
SEATTLE, WA

AU G . 1 7

BALTIMORE, MC

I
JU N E26- JU LY 3"'

A U G . 1 8

N . Y. C .
BUY OUR RECORDS

1
P
.O.BOX363

1
VAUXHALL, N.J.07088

1
1

1
H YP E
DEBUT L
.P.
life is hard
...
then you die!
$7
. 0 0 P OSTP AID
$8. 0 0 OVERSEAS
muzakfor
hedgehogs
C A N A DI A N T O U R SO O N
r eut i en t i nc abe pr ob.
P . O . BO X 1 1 9 5 M P O
HAMILTON, ONT. L8N- 4 B4
C A N A DA
T I M ET RA VELERS
1 51 1 SEC O N DA VEN U E
SEA T T LE9 81 01
206 . 624 . 7 806
SK A T EBO A RDS
RO BO T S
C LO T H I N G
REC O RDS
I M P O RT /I N DEP EN DEN T
VI DEO
C O M I C S
FO RT I T U DEI N
O U RDELI GH T O F
P LEA SU REA N D
C O M P ET I T I O N .
. eel
loofa(
T H EP LA Y ZO N E"
SCENE REP ORT- LOS ANG ELES
Here' s w hat is happening In the
part of Southern California that
has missed the mention In the last
few Scene Reports from So Cal
G old en Voice Just had the first
of three ' big English acts do their
thing at the Olymoic last F riday
and Sunday with The Expiloted and
The UK. Subs (soon to be followed
by The Subhumans and G . B H who
will be getting a feature on M-TV
when they (GBH) play the Olympic).
Anyway, Don't No started the
show off on F riday with their ever
popular stop-on-a-dime sh
r
ed
hardcore The show ended in an all
too familiar busting of heads by
the L. A . P . D . - as usual, some
asshole throws a bottle and the
cops return the favor by smashing
car windows and clubmg the kids
On Sunday V. O. A. played Gary
Tovar's first mantinee at the
Olympic for a huge bunch of folks
Mike of V. O. A. said that 'it was a
great practice- you know, for The
F orum' Speaking of forums, that
old Sick dog El Duce (Mentors)
got a shot at Wally George's Hot
Seat wearing hood and all. Wal ly
will never be the same F ender's
In Long Beach wont be doing "the
punk thing for awhile-another
police story
. Sluglord should be
opening a club soon though, so
don't fret Back up in Hollywood
The Cathay has a remodeled down
stairs so may e something up-
b ut w ho know s New punker
promoter Punx F or Survival
(nothing to do with Circle Ones
legendary P. U
. NX family) did a
show at the Stardust witr, the
Circle Jerks, Wasted Youth,
Entropy, The Brood, and V . O. A.
The show was a definate success
Speaking of these bands- The
Circle Jerks have a new bass
player- Zander lone of the kids
from Repo Man) Wasted Youth
has Pablo (their roadie) on vocals
now Danny Splra "disappeared
under a wave" says Chet Mike
Calder has since surfed ms way
out of Entropy
after they played
their hardcore at Madame Wongs
West posing as a surf band Nik
F it, (their drummer) Is also
playing guitar in a cool band from
the Bu called Genetic Defects.
John Nelson's Brood (p o. bo
34871 LA,CA 90034) has John F .
from Neighborhood Watch (now
defunct) on bass and brain child
Mike Clark also in No Mercy
sw itched from b ass to guitar
Break- ups Includ e Basic Math ( It
MIS true Mike?) and Klllroy. Jlm
Lane has since then started The
Hellcats. NoFX Is touring soon
and has Matt from Fatal Error on
d rums The D etonators w ill b e
touring Europe soon although Kooky
( their d rummer) cut his hand off
( w ell, almost) D an from Ex cel( po
5 3 7 2 Venice, CA 9 0 29 6) Says he
has a final line- up that Includ es
Shaw n Ross from Trend setter
Hag. on b ass. Captain Anarchy
Is
on line up numb er 20 w ith
Hated P rlclples and has even
ad d ed a second guitar w ho even
d oub les

as

keyb oard lst

( Alright Captainil

D ecry

Is
sporting a new sound Against in
out and around again, The G rim is
planning their second alb um,
Stukas over Bed rock is playing
around ( Antl- Club and M Wongs
Chinatow n) ,
Ad am Bomb , ri
Adam Bomb
from KXLO has Been
playing the bass with The Nip
Drivers for a while now. 45
Gr ave, Bad Reli geon, Gw en's

I n t ow n, T he Di c k i es ar e playi ng
P and oras,

and Entropy d id

again, and that' s almost some of

Fend er' s Scream and D . R. I . are

w hat s going on d ow n here

LATE NOTE
: Bill has d eparted BLACK FLAG
and had joined his old mates in the reforming
D ESCEND ENTS, w ho are planning to tour.
WASTED YOU TH
CIRCLE JERK
OUT NOW:
LIMITED EDITION
(300 copies/1st pressi
g) of:
P'Io %k
DEBUT LP
(SIXTEEN SONGS)
S5ppd
. (S6surface overse
also available- F REDeps
(5 songs/7") S3ppd
.

.
CHRONICDISORDER
630 Governor's Hwy.
S,Wirtdsor, CT 06074
no checks,
INIOs payable to Jason
Wentzell.
PR p 6ABL`? D%ST
. (3Y -
T0 7 , 1 G
SHoC,
R au(H
'~ R R )
St 2 ST E M A T i c )D
oTth E
AST
t
rimPoR T4NT
. 5m :1 e
or dn
e
THIS INTERVIEWTOO[ P LACE Al D ATE' S
1 HOU SE ON AP RIL 25 1 1 . 1 7 83 . IT C. J. FOR
MAXIMU MROCK AID BOLL
WH O 'SI I I T H EN A N D?
NICK FITBEATSTHED RU M. EVAN SHARKSD OES
THEBASS. NICK CHAVEZP LAYSG U ITAR, AND I
D O THESP OKEN WORD STU FF.
SP O K EN WO RD?
NOTREALLY. I SING I G U ESS.
H O W LO N G H A VET O EBEEN T O GET H ER?
SI N C EJU LY O F83
A N DWH A T H A T ET O O A C C O M P LI SH ED
SI N C ET H EN ?
WELL, WE' VEP LAYED TONS OF G REATP ARTIES. P
THEOLYMP ICAU D . , FEND ERS. THESTARD U ST,
MAD AMEWONG ' SWEST. SP ORTSMANSHALL.
MU SICMACHINE, ANTI- CLU B. CU LVER VETS. THE
CATHAY A MILLION TIMES I G U ESS WE' VE
TI
P LATED ALMOSTALL OF THEMIN L . A.

NOTEXACTLY. THAT WOU LD OF BEEN NICEA

YO U ~ U T ON THE STRID ES? SHOW.

MILLION YEARS AG O . WENEED TO REG RESS WE

RI GH T ?

N EEDT O ST O P EA T I N G U P SO M U C H O FO U R
IT WAS MY ID EA, AND I SIG NED THE CONTRACTS RESOU RCES AT SECH AN ALARMING RATE
TECHNOLOG Y IS THE TOOL MAN U SES TO
TRANSFORMENERG YINTO WORK THE MORE
COMP LEX THETECHNOLOG Y. THEMOREENERG Y
LOSTBYTHEWAYSID E- BECAU SECOMP LICATED
TECHNOLOG YSNEED MOREENERG YTO TRANSFER
ENERG YINTO WORK.
T H I SI SGET T I N G C O M P LI C A T ED
REA D T H EBO O K
EN T RO P Y?
BY JEREM Y RI FK I N . BA N T A M N EW A GEBO O K S
GO T T A P LU G T H EN O O K
YEAH . G OOD SHIT.
H O W DI DWEGET O FP T H ESU BJEC T ? 'A C E
T O C O M M ERC I A LT ELEVI SI O N -
I' MINTO NON- COMMERCIAL T. V- P U BLICT. V . ,
I EATRIG HT. -
A N DYO U T A K ET O U RGERI T O L EVERY
I C O M P A REWI T H . I T SH A RDT O BEO BJEC T I VE O R

M O RN I N G
REALISTICABOU T YOU RSELF- I LOVEOU R SOU ND / CET
YOU R FING ER OU T OF YOU R ASSHOLECJ
AND THAT' S ABOU T IT. I LIKE WHAT WE' VE

( LAU G HING ) SEE. EVEN YOU AREP ROG RAMED

D ONEAND I' MCONFID ENT WITH WHAT WECAN

BYT. V. WHAT D O YOU THINK OF WHEN I SAY.

D O .

WHERE' STHEBEEF?
WH A T H A T ET O EDO N E?

M C DEN A LI 'S
ST A YEDT O GET H ERI N A WO RLDO FQU I T T ERS. -

O R T H EREA LT H I N G?
YAKNOW?

P EP SI
KNOWWHAT IMTALKING
NO
. 1 MEAN WHAT RATE IOU D ONE?
ME?, I D ON' T KNOW. I MANAG E THE BAND IF

ABOU T. AMERICAN COMMERCIALSSU CK- MOST

THAT 5 WHAT YOU MEAN BU T I G U ESS

OF THEMD O WHYCAN' TTU ICID AL TEND ENCIES

EVERYONE IN THE BAND D OES THEIR SHARE
BE

, T H EP EP SI GEN FRA T I O S H U H ? _
NICK C. D OESALOT OF D RIVING AND HELIVES
COM D ID YOU

Al

AWE//CAI
FAR, FIT G ETS THE ROAD IES AND P LAYS FROM WHAT
INCRED IBLE D RU MSESP ECIALLYAT HISAG E
FROM
WHAT I U ND ERSTAND . FORIEG N
(1 6) A N DEVA N I SEVA N . T H EBA SE. T H E

C O U N T RI ESA REN 'T SO C O N SERVA T I VET H EY RE

N EU T RA LSO LU T I O N I N O U RBA N DI M T H EO N E
M O RE
FU N T O SA Y FU C K AYOL' IN X 4 0 . ALTHOU G H
WHO' SLEARNED THEMOST SINCEWEVE
BEES SOME OF THEMARE FL:TER
A
WING IF AMERICA
TOG ETHER ABOU TSHOWSAND P R -

WASH TSO D AMN CONSERVATIVE . COMMERCIALS

RU N[ ROCK?

MIG HTBEFU N TO WATCH- CERTAINLYMOREFU N

/ P ROP ORTIONAL REP RESENTATION ( LAU G HING )
THAN ALOT OF THE STU P ID P ROG RAMMING .
TOD AYSOMESTU FF ISG OOD BU TI' D RATHER BE
I MEAN P U ERTO RICO . ACTU ALLY
- IT STAND SFOR

LISTENING TO MU SIC
P U BLICRELATIONS- COMMU NICATION
. WRITING
NEXT QU ESTION . WHAT ARE ENTROP Y' S
LETTERS, SHIT LIKETHAT. IT HAS ITS BENIFITS

1 / ~
LU EN C ED?
BU T IT IS A TON OF WORK AND HARD TO D O FIT S A CARL P ALMER FAN HE' S ALSO INTO THE
ALONE
.

' P SYCHO- SYNCOP ATERSCHAVESLIKESBLACK

LET S
T A LK A BO U T T O U RLT RI C S.

FLA G,WA ST EDYO U T H A N D'SEC O N DS. O . N 5

LETSTALEABOU TENTROP Y

KISS, AND THE D &ID ENTS. EVAN LIKES

WH I C H I SET ERT T H I I G, RI GH T ?

RU DI M EN T A RY P EN T A N DT H ET H ESU BH U 'M A N S.
NOWYOU HAVE IT.

AND I LIKE THE MEAT P U P P ETS, HU SKER D L .

WHAT ARE TOE TALKING ABOU T IN
CHICAG O . THE WEAVERS AND CRASS. THE
'SM A RT ERT H A N M A DI SO N A T E'?

M I N U T EM EN ,

T H E

FREEZE,

M A N H EI M
I
I 'M JU ST C U RI O U SI FYO U REA WA RE O F T H E
ST EA M RO LLERT H E
BRO O D. A N DA T O N O F
EFFEC T C O M M ERC I A LT ELEVI SI O N H A SO N

O T H ER ST U FF.
P EO P LE. I T SA BO U T A DVERT I SI N G A N DBI G
A RET H O SEYO GI I N FLU E? I C P S?
BRO T H ER. I T SA BO U T T H EH A RDSELL(SP ELLED

YEA H . T H EY I N FLU EN C EDU SI N O N EWA Y O R

WITH A ' C' ) . MAD ISON AVENU E IS BIG BROTHER .

ANOTHER

N
AND HE' S NOT JU ST WATCHING YOU , YOU ' RE
D O TOE CONSID ER YOU RSELF A P OET?

/
WATCHING HIM- YOU KNOW
. THE BOOBTU BE

I' M A SOCIOP ATHIC

STORY EFTI
FR
DU DET H I SEN T I RE SO C I ET Y I S FO U N DEDO N T H E

DO T O U C O N SI DERYO U RSELFO RI GI N A L?
GA T H ERI N G O FM A T ERI A LWEA LT H . I T SBEEN
. N 0 I M A REP RO DU C T I O N O FM Y P A REN T S
LIKETHAT
FOR ABOU T4 0 0 YEARS.

HA HA HA. I HEAR TOU R LYRICS

TOE MEAn I T WA S DI FFEREN T BEFO RE n
SOME OF MY STUF F IS ALMOST PURELY MY OWN
TEAT?
I F IS E ES O ME T HI N GIK EIMI G HTP AS SI TON
BEF ORE THAT MOST PEOPLE DIDN'T CONSIDCI
IMP ROVING THEIR LOT IN LIFEIT WASBEYOND
THEIR COMP REHENSION
WH A T 'SWRO N G WI T H I M P RO VI N G T H E
QU A LI T Y O F LI FE?
NOTHING . ITS JU ST THAT IT ACCELERATES
IJ
MANS EXP LOITATION OF MOTHER EARTH IT' S .
OU R WORLD VIEWTHATHASG IVEN-
WORLD VIEW?
A WORLD VIEWIS THE WAY YOU
SEE MANS
ROLE IN LIFE- A FRAME FOR
COLLECTING YOU R
THOU G HTSANYWAY, IT' STHISP ERCEP TION OF
' TIEWAYTHING SWORK' THAT HASG IVEN MAN
I MASTERY OVER P LANET EARTH . HE CAN EVEN
D ESTROYHELL NOWIF HEP LEASES. SINCEWHEN
D ID WEG ET OFF THINKING THAT HISTORYWAS
MOVEMENT TOWARD S A P ERFECT STATE?
CONSTU CTING ORD ER IN A
CLOSED SYSTEM( OU R
U NIVERSE) JU ST CREATES MORE D ISORD ER
SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE SYSTEM. FU CK
P ROG RESS
. JU ST BECAU SE YOU G REWU P
THINKING THATYOU HAD TO MAKEABU CK-
DGH 'T T O ET H O U GH ?
SU RE. BU T I T WA SN 'T A LWA YST H A T WA Y. A
1 3t h C EN T U RY P EA SA N T DI DN 'T T H I N K A BO U T
M A K I N G H I SLI FEBET T ERO N LY M O DERN M A N
DO EST H A T
. P A N DO RA 'SBO X I SO P EN , T H E
- A P P LEH A SBEEN BI T ER
SO WH A T 'ST H EA WI SWER?
WHAT' STHEQU ESTION?
WHAT DOES MAN DO TO SLOWTHE r
DISPERSAL OF WASTE AND INCREASING
C H A O SI N O U RSO C I ET E?
WITH THEBAND S.
BU T EKSTASIS. THEOTHER
P ROMOTER . G OT THEHALL AND AD SAND TOOK
THE FINANCIAL RISK I D IEN T HAVE ANY
MONEY, JU ST TIMEAND P LENTYOF ID EASTHE
SHOWWAS G REAT THE CIRCLE JERKS AND
WASTED YOU TH P LAYED WEP LAYED IN FRONT
OF 1 0 0 0 P EOP LE
H A T ET O EP U T O RA N T SH O WSSI N C E?
YEA R
. BU T I DO N T WA N T T O T A LK A BO U T T H E
LA ST O N EEVERYT H I N G WEN T WRO N G I LO ST
M O N EY I T SA SO B ST O RY SO I WO N T T ELLI T
O A . . T ELLM EA BO U T YO U M U SI C
ITS P OST IND U STRIAL HARD CORE WITH A
REG RESSIVE ED G E
WH A T T H EH ELLDO EST H A T N EA R?
SAME THING AS ANY OTHER SELF INFLICTED
LABEL WANT AN EXP LANATION? SERIOU SLY
THOU G H . I HONESTLY D ON' T KNOWWHO WE
G
a
1 1 1 0
STOP CHANG E.
I D ON' T FOLLOW.
HASANYONEEVER SAID TO YOU ' IF YOU LOVED
ME. YOU ' D D O THIS FOR ME' OR ' VOL REALLY
SHOU LD G O D OWN AND D O SU CH AND SU CH A
D EED ' I MEAN . WHATTHEFU CK
. WHAT KIND OF
MANIP U LATIVE BU LLSHIT ISTHAT
? WHO SAYSI
SHOU LD ? I' LL D O IT BECAU SE I THINK ITSTHE
RIG HTTHING TO D O . NOTBECAU SEYOU TELL ME
SO . AND THE THING ABOU T LOVE THAT SONE
N PERS ON US ING GUILT TOTRY AND GET S OMEONE
ELS E TO D O S OMETHING THAT MIGHT BE
AGAINS T THEIR WILL
YO U 'RESA T I N G GET RI DO FEM O T I O N S?
N O I M SA T I N G T A K ERESP O N SI BI LI T Y FO R
YO U RSELF. BLA M I N G O T H ERSFO RYO U RSA DN ESS
O RA N GERO R WO RRY
O RGU I LT I SYO U R
P RO BLEM - T H EP RO BLEM I SWI T H YO U l N O T T H EM
N O O N EM A K ESYO U SI C K , YO U LET T H EM M A K E
YO U SI C K .
EA SI ERSA I DT H A N DO N E
ITTAKESACHANG EIN P OINTOF VIEWTO
BE IN
CHARG E OF YOU RSELF- A CHANG E IN
VOCABU LARYWOU LD N' T HU RTEITHER
VOCABU LARY?
WORD S OR STATEMENTSTHATIMP LY EXTERIOR
CONTROL . THAT P U T THE RESP ONSIBILITY IN
SOMEONEELSE' SLAP .
A RET O ESA T I N G YO U DO N 'T GET A N GRY? /
FU C K YO U (1
H A DT O LA U GH A T T H A T O N E.
BU T H EWA SLA U GH I N G T O O . )
I D ON' T BLOWMY TEMP ER TOO OFTEN IT
REALLYP ISSESMEOFF . I MEAN I LET IT P ISSME
OFF I JU ST CAN T FLY CFF THE HAND LE AND
THRASH SOMETHING .
I ST H A T WH Y T O EGO T T O U RJA W N I O LEN
A T T H EO LYM P I C ?
F?' I WAS D RUNK THERE WERE 4 OFTHEMAND
IN VASE

ONEOF ME. I TRIED TO RU N . I TRIP P ED

. AND
TOU R ' ILEU M?
CAU G HTACOU P LEBOOTSIN THEFACEI WASA
YEA H

REGU LA RZERO
WH O ?

YEA H . T H EO LYM P I C I SN 'T VEN T GO O D

LAZARETH LONG . SAINT LEIBOWITT. D R . WAYNE

LU CK FOR YOU . IS IT? D ID N' T YOU BREAK

D YER, I.RV .. JEREMY IIFKIN. LFA BUS CA(aTA

TOUR NEC[ THERE A TEAR AGO?

P ETER P AN,
KING KONG BU ND Y. AND THEREST
1
THAT WAS INSID E ONE OF THOSE ' WHE7 tE D
OF THEKNOWN U NIVERSE
.

`
EVERYBOD Y G O ?-
STAG E D IVES AND I D ID N' T
WH A T A REERT RO P T S' P LA N SP O I T H E

BREA K M Y N EC K
. I FRA C T U REDI T WH EN BLA C K
FU T U RE?

FLA G P LA YEDT H EO LYM P I C . I FRA C T U REDM Y

WEWANTTO RELEASEARECORD AND WEWANT

SKU LL- D U RING THEBLASTERS. ISN T THAT A

TO TOU R ASBRU CE FROMTHE D ETONATORS

JOKE?. WENT TO THE EMERG ENCY ROOM3

ONCESAID . WE' D [ILL TO P LAY YOU R

BLOCKSAWAY. THREW U P ON THE HOSP ITAL

. T O WN
SO YO U C A N WRI T EM EA T - FLO O R, A N DWA LK EDBA C K I N T I M ET O SEET H E
LA T ER
. RI GH T n O W LET ST A LL A BO U T

FLA G P LA Y
M U SI C

YO U SO U N DP RO U DO FT O U RI N JU RI ES
NO . NOT THEP U NK MU SICI WHAT D O YOU WANT'

FU CK
YES, THEYHU RT
. THERESNOTHING LIKE
KNOW? YOU G IVE
ME THEQU ESTION AND X' 1 1 .
C
BEING ABLETO SAY YOU SU RVIVED A P LANE
G IVEYOU THEAWNSWER .

CRASH.
T O EWEREI N A P LA N EC RA SH ?
FOU R TIMESTHISMONTH
RI GH T
YOU KNOWWHAT I MEAN IF YOU ' D LIKE TO
SHAREYOU R MOMENTSOF D ANG ER WITH MEI I M
WRITING A BOOK( JU ST WRITE TO ME MY
MAILING AU D RESSS
IS-
O .L .,
HANG ON,ONEMORE
QUESTION
.WHAT ADVICEDO TOENATE
FOBPEOPLEREADIIG THIS?
D ON' T
BELIEVEAWORD I SAID . I WASJOKING .
COME 0 E.
ALL EXP ERIENCEBATH SHOWN . . . THAT MANKIND
T H A T 'SN O WA T T O SO LVET H EP RO BLEM

A REM O REDI SP O SEDT O SU FFER. WH I LEEVI LS

WHATP ROBLEMSTHEREAREP LENTYOF P EOP LE

ARESU FFERABLE
. THAN TO RIG HTTHEMSELVES
OU TTHERE, P LENTYOF IND IVID U ALSOU TTHERE

BYABOLISHING THEFORMSTO WHICH

THEY ARE,
WHO AREALIVEAND WELL OU TTHIELED OING IT

ACCU STOMED .
. D ECIARATION OF IND EP END ENCE, /
THEMSELVES' LET' SALL G IVETHEIND IVID U ALS

JU LY9 , 1 7 7 6.
A
BIG MEND . YEA_.I

K
WATCH
. (TAKING A CIGARETTE)
THIS IS A
WH A T A BO U T DRU GS?

DI M E
. I F YO U BREA K I T I N H A LF
(BREA K I N G
T H A T S T H E
SA M E T H I N G . DRU GSA REBA DN EWS.
LI T ) .
YO U H A VEN T GO T T WO N I C K LES.
THEY MAKE LIFE T0 0 EASY
D U RING THE

( THROWING THE HALVES TO THE G ROU ND )

G ROWING YEARS. BAD SHIT
. AND ALCIOHOL IS

YOU CATSHIT- 5 0 TRYAND SMOKEIT

T H E WO RST O FT H EM A LL. I H EA RD
A DO C T O R

N O W WH A T T H E
~ U C [ DO EST H A T BEA N ?
ONCESAYHE' D RATHER SEEAP ATENTAHEROIN

THIS IS G ETTING SILLY

AD D ICTFOR TEN YEARS THAN AN ALCIOHOLIC

SILLY? WHO ARE YOU . G OLIETH' S

BIG BROTHER?
FOR TEN YEARS. I WOU LD N' T WANT TO BE

BIG HT. THAT' S THE BND OF THE

EI T H ER I O N C ESA I DDRU GSSH O U LDBE

I N T ERVI EW
LEG ALIZED SO THEYCOU LD BE REG U LATED AND

IN ONLY TELLING THE TRU TH . YOU HAVE G OT

TA1 ED
. AND I' MNOT EVEN SU RE IF THAT' S A

AN AV/MLLE BIG NOSE. WSRI D ARE STAR, ITS

G OOD ID EA ANYMORE ITS THAT ENTROP Y.

AG REATMOVIEABOU THIP P IESIN SP ACEAND A

EVERYSOLU TION CEASESMORE
P ROBLEMS THAN '
BOMB. 0 1 BETTER YET
. G O SRI REP O MAN . THAT
ITWASCREATED TO SOLVE. THEN YOU HAVETO

FLICK IS G OD HEAD . .
. D ON' T BE NOBOD Y' S
SOLVETHEP ROBLEMSP ROBLEMS, AND SO ON . .

FOOL_ . REYOU R OWN FOOL

. . . D ONT WALK IN MY
T H A T 'SSO RT O FDEP RESSI N G

H EA DWI T H YO U RDI RT Y FEET -

GO T O T H E
D EP RESSING
. ITS A D AMN NERVOU S

BATHROOMTO TALK YOU R

S EEET. . . I MU FTI 0
BREAKD OWN
. BU T THAT' SLIFE. RIG HT? ITSALL

MU FTI I
ABOU TP U LLING YOU R OWN
STRING S
. CHANG ING

AND
THE RAMBLING G OES ON
YO U R P O I N T O FVI EW
: T H O SEERO N EO U SZO N ES

FO R
I N FO O N EN T RO P Y, WRI T ET O .
ERO N EO U SX O N ES?

DA VEU X B
YOU KNOW. G U ILT. ANG ER . WORRY. ALL THOSE

1 65 1 AMHERST
EMOTIONS
. THAT YOU LET MANIP U LATE YOU

L0 5 ANG ELS. CA9 0 0 25

INTO BEING ALESSER P ERSON

I
C
EITHER! WE CA- D OES P U NK SU CK?
FU CK YOU
WHAT
D OES IT MEAN TO YOU ?
I LIKETHED ICTIONARY5 D EFINITION
O . K . N EX T QU EST I O N . WH A T DO T H I N K
A BO U T A P A T H Y I N T H EU N DERGRO U N D
SC EN E?
YOU MEAN THEP EOP LEWHO D ON' T CARE? OR
WORSEYET. THEP EOP LECOMP LAINING ABOU T
P EOP LE WHO D ONT CARE? I D ON' T SEE THE
FIRST G ROU P AND I D ON T
HEAR THESECOND ,
WHATI MEAN ISI D ON' TLISTEN TO THESECOND
G ROU P .
A T T H E
FLA SH DA N C E
r r zr m gn
ERO F
F'.
r g
RE1 N F
L1 220
. 1 1 02
R
: Try to alw ays keep
a positive attitud e.
Although this w orld is d egenerating into a b ig
w asteland , you must stay
positive and never give
up hope
. Keep an open mind and respect one
another, even if their id eas
d iffer from yours.
D on'
t kick b ack for the rest of your life and take
everything as it comes
: it' s your life! D on' t let
anyone try to tell you how to live
. You must fight
for w hat you b li

id

eeven, an

I d on' t mean
physically
. P rotest, resist! This system w ill
constantly push you and treat you like mind less
d olts if you let it.
MRR
: MU SIC AND INFLU ENCES?
J
: My influences
are
D ISCHARG E, CRU CIFIX, and
early BLACK SABBATH
. My favorite b and s are
D AMNED , U K SU BS, G ERMS, and EXP LOITED .
That
'
s a list in d ifferent aspects.
R
: I think I d on' t like anyb od y, really, b ut my
influences vocally

G l

D areennanzig and G eorge

from BATTALION OF SAINTS, though I think
D ave
Vanian is the
b est vocalist I' ve heard .
W
: P aul G ray, Brad Jackman, U K SU BS, D AMNED ,
BAD RELIG ION.
J : I think
a b and should b e
just as serious ab out
their music as their statements
. Not too many
people w ill listen to you to any ex tent if you
sound like shit.
MRR
: BAND P LANS?
ALL
: To take it as far as w e can, to reach as many
people
as possib le
. Stay serious ab out our view s
and stand strong
b ehind them, b ut at the same
time have a good time playing,
trying to open up
people' s
mind s, and make others happy
. We' re
not reb els or pacifists, b ut w e try to stick as close
to reality as possib le.
MRR
: ANY SP ECIAL MESSAG E?
ALL : D on' t b e too
apprehensive
of show ing how
you feel
. Think for yourself
. If you feel strongly
ab out something that you' re unhappy w ith, rather
than just b itching ab out it, d o something
. You' d
b e surprised at how much you can get d one.
D on' t sit b ack and w atch your freed om and rights
get easily taken aw ay b y those w ith pow er.
FINAL CONFLICT/ Jeff Harp/ 9 7 4 7 Arkansas St/
Bellflow er CA 9 0 7 0 6
SELF P ITY
P OISON RU SHING THBvJ YOU R VEINS
EU P HORIA THAT KILLS THE BRAIN
AN AOD ICP ICN NAYS FD RSE
THAN 1 HE U ilOI . IEST OF P AIN
CSSD ORM1 7 Y IS MAT BRING S IT ON
A P C6SESSICN WHIOI MAKES ES' IFT7 I STRING
A TREASU RE IYHIO4 NO P RICE IS TO HIM
ITIIFXTILN, LEAIS TO TRACES OF WAD I
E%F7 4 TCN, YOU ' VE U SED YOU R LAST BREATH
1 OCXK YOU R TU N, AND P AYED TE COST
KEWYOU R D EAD , YOU HAVE LC6T
ANO1 }ER D RINK TO ICAOI A HEICSF
P RETTY SOON YOU FEEL ALRIG HT
P U KING OU T YOU R CU P S
AND LYING MTHE VIG OR
:I STING CVTHE P ORC
ELAIN
SAYING YOU Fx N' T WIT AG AIN
AT LEAST P D T
FOR A COU P LE OF WEEKS
RS
CONSU IP TICN, A BOITIE OF G RAIN
YOU
YOU NEED IT, TO EASE D IE STRAIN
Ex aL5 5 YOU RSELF, YOU R NOT 1 HE SAME
P *IE U P ,
YOU R KILLING YOU R BRAIN
YOU WOK AT P E IN SELF P ITY
AND I KNEWYOU R P ITP ALL THERE
A VICTIMOF CCNFD RI7 Y
AND YOU D ON' T CARE
SA T
C H I N A WH I T E
.
M A R H
. 9

1 1 1
WI T H
1 9 85
I

s
U
JRYT roR ONE E1 YOU RSELF COMP LETEL Y
TOY EO IMAGINE OONEORr POSSIBLEY ALL
OF RTH

T ANGT

r
OF AHESE
ANE THINGS . . .
S
.
T
6 . .
LIES, PEOTESTS
. VEGITARLES,
PANARCHH_

Y,

AND ,
NUCLEAR MAR,
DRUGS, PARTIES, POLITICS,
24 HOUR DRESS
VOILENCE,CHAOS, SEX,
CODES, HAIRSTYLES, ATTITUDES, STRAIGH
T '
EDGE, SEATEBOARDS, STAGE DIVING,~~,1
F IGHTING, ETC
jS. { 7
MAGINE YOURSELF JUST ENJOYIN
G
THEN I
TOg
EEO
ANTHEA YW
NDU
IF YOUE
REALLY ,
EN ' OYY

ELF . ,

n - E

SELF
.

YOU RSELF, IE
U SICYOU U ENJOY, OR ALL THE
IT
THE
IT
THM
AHROUR ELF WHATG EXA
CTLY TIT '
OR E BEER ! .
ISBN

'PUNK POKE
'
THAT Y OU ENJOY
IH ABOUT

WITH I. D.
THE H MOST
;
ORANG E COU NTY- Hello! The b iggest
d eal recently w as the EXP LOITED show
d uring the first w eekend of May
. I saw the
police unleash their pow er onto the crow d after
the show let out
. Luckily, I had left the
Olympic b efore the EXP LOITED has started
and I managed to b eat the L
. A. P . D . While
d riving aw ay, I caught a glimpse of the riot
cops in helmets running after the crow d
sw inging their sticks
. I d id n' t get close enough
to w itness any b rutality, b ut I heard the police
arb itrarily hit people and cars alike
. it w as
funny to see the police in larger numb ers
outsid e the Olympic
; usually there are very few
after show s
. D o the authorities now d etermine
w hich b and s pose a b igger threat? If the
Olympic Aud itorium gets closed to punk
show s, the L
. A. area w ill really b ecome d ead .
Speaking of w hich, I' d like to apologize to
G old envoice P rod uctions for some of the
d egrad ing things I said
. G ary Tovar ( ow ner)
puts much time into the L
. A. scene to put on
show s and I d on' t think that many of us know
how hard he and his associates w ork
. He loses
his b utt lots of times and is not out to milk the
scene.
Thanks to all that b ought our first issue
of Second
Thou1 hts zinc
. U nfortunately, w e
d ecid ed to sw itch our efforts to scene reporting
and are now offering our reports to any mag
w orld w id e
. If you w ant a report for your mag,
w ith original recent photos, flyers, artw ork,
etc
. , d rop us a line
. We w ill furnish the ab ove
package to anyone, b ut w e request you send a
few d ollars b ecause the photos are ex pensive
and the mailing costly too
. We w ill not w ork
for profit, and it is our d esire to inform the
w hole w orld ab out Orange County
. Thanks.
Frank/ P . O
. Box 3 22/ Yorb a Lind a CA 9 0 686
P . S. I' m looking to form a b and
. G et in touch!
The b and consists of D an on vocals,
Mike
on guitar, Nathan on b ass, and Wojon d rums
. We
started
in the summer of
'
84 , and have played
mostly parties.
MRR
: NU CLEAR ARMS BU ILD U P ?
BE
: It has to come to a halt
. The stockpiling of
w eapons is rid iculous
. We should change our
mod e of thinking b ecause w e
' re d rifting closer to
annihilation
. We must b uild a w orld b eyond w ar!
MRR : G OVERNMENT?
BE
: Left or Right, all they w ant to d o is maintain
pow er, includ ing b lackmail, murd er
. They ex ploit
and manipulate us w ith law s, TV, politics, the
d raft
. We can' t b elieve that a country can actually
require a person to join the army to b e
b rainw ashed into b eing a killer, w ith no real
choice.
MRR
: IMP ROVEMENT OF WORLD SITU ATION?
BE
: Countries should isolate themselves
. They
should use other countries to trad e good s w ith.
There should b e no country ex pand ing its
territory or taking over another
. There should b e
more d one for the starving of the w orld , and for
the homeless and starving here in our country.
MRR
: MESSAG E?
BE
: We feel that punks must unite to change
things
. D on' t w orry ab out hanging out
; w orry
ab out trying to change the system
. D on' t sit b ack
and
d epend on the other guy to
take some action.
We must fight Against, We must Rearrange, The
fucking system has to Change! Also,
vegetarianism . .
. it' s a personal thing
. Three of us
are vegetarians, although w e d o eat fish
occasionally.
MRR
: P LANS?
BE
: Hopefully, w e' ll
have a d emo
out for sale
for
$2 w ith at least 6 songs.
BITTER END / 220 1 E Ald er/
Anaheim
CA 9 280 6
THE SYSTEM HAS
TO
CHANG E

mute
d
A mother and her child ' s d espe
rate
The w ells and rivers have all gone
d ry/ Struggling for ex istence, their life' s
cry!

pulls her child

strife/ She
cl
constant
hs
last b reath of life!
close in

have to fight
to resist
( We

The
system
It' s time

time to rearrang
es
against! It' s
has to chang
e/
The Third World is d ying of starvat
ioni
the arms are mad e for city stree
ts, '
amts ~
But

rotting corpses
in

not enoug
h
With There' s

and d isease
there' s

read y
1 '
With t ; Our lead ers are getting
push
ea

Our

b uttons, We' ll all b e

pthe launc
hing
murd ered b y the millions/

to fight
to resists We
have

stem
It' s time

to rearrange
; The sy
against) It' s time
has to change! squand ered ; ( With
ren
'
snothingto eat;
lives Think
are of the sued for the
ohing
up the
meat/ P repa
re
future/
cut

gonna
b e one
. ! Anoth
er ' I
year

I
term
Is
there

Reagan) I' m asking

future)

w ith
Ronald

one' )
We' re
pushin
g
y
you
pushing
again!
yet Is
further
there gonna b e
into armag9
ed onl
The b and started in August of ' 83 , b ut d ue
to
personal d ifferences, the only
remaining
original memb er is Jeff Harp on guitar
. Other
current memb ers are
: Ronnie Martinez w ith
vocals, D ave P hillips on d rums, and Warren
Renfrow on b ass
. FINAL CONFLICT are committed
to strong opinions, although w e d o not preach or
try to convince ourselves that w e have all the
answ ers
. We can only offer suggestions and
alternatives.
MRR
: NU CLEAR ARMS BU ILD U P ?
J
: You can never successfully prepare for w ar and
avoid it at the same time
. There are enough
nuclear arms tod ay to d estroy everyone and
everything, w ithout having to b uild more
. All the
money spent on nuclear arms , or should w e say
w asted , could b e used much more constructively .
R : " P eace Through Strength" is one of the most
ignorant statements I' ve heard
. The government
keeps spend ing
millions on d estruction w hile
their people are starving and
homeless, eld erly
are forced to
steal or eat pet food , and
crime rises
d ue to lack of employment
. Money should b e
spent to construct, not d estruct!
MRR
: ID EAS ON HOW TO IMP ROVE THE WORLD ?
J
: I think the w orld w ould have ex treme
improvement
if the lead ers w ould stop thinking
w ith their egos and d ollar signs, and start thinking
ab out someone else b esid es
themselves. 9 0 %of
the w orld ' s prob lems are caused b y selfishness
and b ig egos
. With so much money to w ork w ith,
there really is plenty for everyone.
To put ones self in another' s place and see life
and its prob lems from a d ifferent point of view . To
b e w illing to test a new id ea, to b e ab le to live on
the ed ge of d ifference in all matters intellectually.
To ex amine w ithout heat, the b urning question of
the d ay. To have imaginative sympathy,
openmind ed ness, and flex ib ility of one' s mind ,
stead iness and poise of feeling, cool calmness of
jud gement, and respect for life and mankind !!
Have fun, take time to care and make an effort!!
Write to D OG G Y STYLE/ 63 4 P inehurst Ave/
P lacentia CA 9 267 0 .
"The vision is still vivid in my mind !! Blood
w as spilled on common ground . P unk vs P unk,
people vs people. senseless violence. Where w ill
it end ?
D OG G Y STYLE is a group w hich d elivers a
high energy positive message w ith a sprinkle of
humor and a d aring venture to the b righter sid e of
life. They have an 8- song EP out entitled Work As
One.
Learn to d epend upon yourself b y d oing
things in accord ance w ith your ow n w ay of
thinking. Make your jud gement trustw orthy b y
trusting it. The b est time to b uild jud gement is in
solitud e w hen you can think out things for
yourself w ithout the prob ab ility of interruption.
Respect other people; d o not oppress or infringe
on other' s rights!! Racism is a d isplay of
ignorance.
We think our w orld ' s prob lems stem from
the same attitud e that pollutes the punk scene,
only on a larger scale. U nd erstand ing is the key
w ord !! The ab ility to take another point of view .
SP RING HOTEL
It' s
like
a cry/ of crass to
be
free/ S uch a
de
sperate cry/ yet I
still
believe
; A
dream
shattered by
reality/
reality
of hate, And
yet
I still believe/ In
the dreami the
dream
to
be
free/ F ree in death
,
prisons/ But free for those
who steal
our
dreams/

no
daea/
MaMayhte
.
enjoy
freedom
we never
earth
; ay they live,
e, when we die,
on in
hotel
they turned into
earth,
the
s
pinning
CASSETTECATALYST AVAILABLE'
$5.00 (INCLUDESMANUAL)
ASSORTED LIYETAPESAVAILABLE,
OTHER "
PRODUCTS'
IRQOB*ATION'***+
*,
CORRESPONDENCE
OR AVAILABLE
THROU G H SYSTEMATIC
T H E
FA C T I O N
T O U R
1 9
T H
,
EDI A B w
_85
WH ERE I M P A C T O C C U RS C A T A LYST EX I ST S
A RT WEA T H ER
p0 BOX 92181
COMMUNICATIONS
nm .

Milw aukee WI
"- -

5 3 20 2
JUNE
16 San Jose
17 Los Aneeles
18 Pheonix
19 Santa F e
20 Dallas
21 Houston
22 : Memphis
23 NashvilLe
24 Atlanta
25-22 F lorida
29 Winston Salem
JULY
1

Norfolk
2

Virg
inia each
the F action-Dark Room 12 inch $7 ppd I 'i ecords
15466 Los Gatos 3Lvd,Los Gatos Ca, 95030, 3ooking
3

aLtimore
4 Atlantic City
5 Stamford
7 New York
2 Allentown
10 Cleveland
11 Grand Rapids
12 Chicago
13
: 'ti Lwa ukee
14 Des Moi nes
15 Li ncoln
16 Kansas City
17 Denver
i n
Salt Lake City
19 : . eno
Suite 109-222
408- 356- 1939
the band:
the record
:
TO CHANG E
3 : D etroit, MI
4 : Cleveland , OH
5 : P ittsb urg, P A
6: Trenton/Allentow n, P A
7 : Stanford , CT
8: P rovid ence, RI
9 : Boston, MA
1 0 : New York, NY
1 1 : Baltimore, MD
P RO DU C ED BY:
I A N M c K A YE FO R DI SC O RD/DRU I D H I LL REC O RDS
D ISTRIBU TED BY: ROU G H TRAD E, SYSTEMATIC, RAU NCH

FOR BOOKING & TOU RINFO.

D U TCH EAST, & TOXIC SHOCK

CALL :I3 0 1 1 3 23 - 5 9 88
) p

J ' Jr
P RESEN T S:
,
C1)Q
RPC1L
hous
July 4 : Charlottsville,
5 : Richmond , VA
6: Morgantow n, WV
7 :
Cincinnati, OH
8: Ind ianapolis, IN
9 : St. Louis, MO
1 1 : D allas, TX
1 2: San Antonio, TX
the tour:
SOME D ATES
1 3 :
Huston, TX
1 4 : Austin, TX
1 6:
Alb uquerque, NM
1 7 : P hoenix /Tuscon,
AZ
1 8:
Las Vegas, NV
1 9 : Sun Valley, CA
20 :
San D iego/San Fran, CP
21 : San Fran, CA
ARE TENATIVE AND SU BJECT
23 : Sacramento, CA
24 : Reno, NV
26
: Salt Lake, U T
28 : D enver, CO
3 0 : Kansas City, KS
3 1 : D es Moines, IA
Au
g . 1 : Milw akee, Wl
2 : Chicago, IL
LEADING THEBLIND,are planni ng toy
debut anyti me we can
. We've been on a I
local cable channel qui te a bi t though.
Bands I don't knowmuch about but should
menti on are the JOHNIESand MUTILATED'
PENIS.
There i s a skatezi ne here,Industri al
S
Waste,and a fanzi ne,Guest Li st
. There's
also an anarchi st quarterly,Revi stax
(P.O . Box 3506/ Tucson AZ 85722).
There's a HC radi o showon the communi ty
radi o stati on,and "Vi rgi n Vi nyl"i s on a
commerci al stati on and dedi cates 1 hour to
0
TU CSON- I think it' s ab out time something
O
w as said ab out w hat' s going on d ow n here
'
in Cactusland . U nfortunately, I' ve got
negative as w ell as positive things to say
0
ab out the "scene", and though it used to
b e very easy for me to overlook the
/negative aspects, I feel this w ould only b e
/show ing part of the picture.
The band si tuati on here i s pretty
'0'
decent . We have the ever- popular U.P.S.,
whose mani c thrash ought to be audi ble to
showgoers ears agai n i n the near future.
Theyweren't playi ng out for a prettylong
ti me because theywere looki ng for a new
drummer,and though theylooked for so
'long,theyfound i t would be best to get
/back together wi th the same drummer.
/
Theywi ll be doi ng a tour soon. LOS
HAMSTERSare a funky,CRAMPSi sh band
'
0
who do a lot of cool covers and good
ori gi nals. H.O .A . just recentlygot a new
si nger,so I i magi ne we'll be subjected to
0 0 '
their thrash noise again soon.
TRIANCHELON is a metal thrash b and w ho
really jam and get b etter all the time. '
They should b e record ing soon. Last time
1 saw WHAT WENT WRONG , they got
/
kicked off the stage. I d oub t this w ill
make them any less d etermined to play
'
thei r di rge to as manypeople as wi ll
li sten
. The band I drumfor,BLIND
LASVEGAS- Comi ng up,you'll be
heari ng and seei ng fromSAMPSON'SARMY,
featuri ng post- punk opti mi smand enjoyment
("I hope you understand
some thi ngs must be/
and i f you do you'll understand me"),because
they've recorded materi al for the Mysti c
compi lati ons and they're maki ng a vi deo
. Hey
S.A
.'ll playyour waybywri ti ng/calli ng Todd
Sampson/ 209 Rancho Vi sta Dr/ Las Vegas NV
89106/ (702)382- 9732. Also on the Mysti c
compi lati ons,xxx- ci ti ng AWOL i s touri ng.
("You have entered mydomai n/ a world of
hurt,a world of pai n/ wi nners and losers are
the game/ all the gli mmeri ng li ghts/ theybli nd
the eyes fromthe truth i n si ght") Ask about i t:
Andy"CrazyAz"Zafuto/ 6172Alta Dr/ Las
Vegas NV89107/ (702)878- 8074.
FUCKxxxSHITxxxPISSxxx,i n all
seri ousness,i s a band about current concerns,
and doesn't thi nk thei r name i s anymore stupi d
than anyone else's,i t's just to i denti fythemas
a uni t
. Danny,the si nger,i s a freelance
graphi c arti st whose desi gns decorate local
walls,flyers,t- shi rts,leathers,albumcovers
(the Mysti c L
.V. 7" comp WelcomeTo
Babylon) . For drawi ngs byDanny:4705 Luci te
Ln #2/ Las Vegas NV89115/ (702)644- 6270.
LEGENDARY STARDUST COWBOY toured
the U.S. and Europe wi th RAUNCHHANDS
members and ex- GUNCLUB members Congo
Powers and Patri ci a Morri son as hi s backup
band. Hot damn. Li sten for hi s song
"Paralyzed"fromhi s LPRock It To Stardom,
put on these shows that got fucked up. It
O
w as c los ed dow n volunt ar i ly by t he
pr om ot er due t o fear of ext r em e vi olenc e
. '
Show s m ay s t i ll be book ed t hough, and'
w e'r e k eepi ng our c hi ns up . I 'd jus t li k e
t o advi s e people t o k eep your eyes open,
and appr ec i at e w hat you've got .

I t
s houldn't t ak e t he c los i ng of a c lub (or '
w or s e) t o m ak e us r eali ze w hat w e've got . '
T hank s t o all t he bands w ho played her e,
as w ell as t he m ajor i t y of t he s c ene . I f
O
you'd li k e t o book a s how her e, c all C hr i s '
at (602) 628- 8566 or
624- 6252 .
T hank s ,
T as ha.
P
.S. We mi ss you Kerry.
HC!
On a more seri ous note,our hall,Wrex,
got closed down recently,after onlybei ng
open for 3
months . We had some great
shows there,but unfortunatelythere was
qui te a bi t of vi olence as well as property
damage
. There was also harrassment from
nei ghbors. Manypeople seemed to take
Wrex completelyfor granted and di dn't
reali ze howmuch ti me and effort i t took to
and look for hi s vi deo
. The retard jello eaters,li ke rockn'roll
. We basi callyneed a lease wi th
aka the FONDUERETARD PROJECT,i s our
onlylegi ti mate funk band. They've been
playi ng at pi zza parlors but have been spotted
selli ng penci ls downtown as well
. Setti ng
stage i s GUERRA THEATER,a soci al- poli ti cal
i mprovband of art students,i ncludi ng car
doors and table tops as musi cal i nstruments,
li ke neo- expressi oni st noi se. No,L .V.P.D.,
5150i s not a gang
;i t's a band of Bagley's
wi th lucky13- year old groupi es
. The
REMAINSR
.I.P. because Sean Qwent to
school. REICHZUEGEMINISTRY seperated
because Steve L went Hollywood.
For si x months strai ght the gi gs were
fluent thanx to the work of Sean Sloan,Guy
Smi ley, and
Mi cheele Schwartz,who
connected a club and booked the best.
However,due to hassles wi th legal li censi ng
and poli ce prejudi ce,thi s was stopped,and for
the past 3months i t's been almost dry. It's not
li ke before,when you could get a warehouse
or a hall or a yard because nowwe're
unwanted
. "The poli ce are requi ri ng proper
li censi ng for our shows. Thi s town does not
of money. We'll do li ttle shows and parti es
unti l the opportuni tyto get a lease presents
i tself",says Sean. L.V. gi gs: Sean Sloan/
6409 Bri stol Way/ Las Vegas NV89107/
(702)877- 1910
. Daroi d departed the college
radi o stati on and we have a newDJ,so tune i n
to Jerry0
and the punk showWeds. and
Thurs. ni ghts at 12- 2KUNV91
.5FM. Lurk
wi th Wayne at the Record Exchange,"A
f bottom- 40oasi s",and wi th Jerry&Karen &
Laura at the Hai r Zoo,"Home of the style
junki es,we'll fi x the color i n your summer".
Posi ti ve Force Las Vegas i s changi ng i ts name
and we'll let you knowwhat i t i s
. For a L.V.
touri st packet,send $ 2postage to me:Mi chelle
Cali / 1609 Parade St/ Las Vegas NV89102/
(702)878- 9098.
a legi ti mate place,and we don't have that ki nd
r 1 puI
n
t
1
.
fem
./
ta~~,/
0ii,1111ILF

n
1

i s

$ t
one LP , Who's T he Foo

a
I aay .
n
V I N O

ala i gl op s %
n a .

r i t at

s at r a
vai
eli s
li ale,
I
high noon at Marky and G ig' s house.
SU BT ERFU GE i s one of Las Vegas
' s r es i dent bands and has been ar ound for 4
year s i n one for m or anot her , w i t h M ar k y and Gi g as t he only or i gi nal m em ber s
. T hey have,
l,
on M ys t i c , and one vi deo on Fli ps i de #3
. I i nt er vi ew ed t hem at
M ar k y, 22, voc als
Gi g, 25, gui t ar
Rober t Rem o, 22, dr um s
T odd Sam ps on, 20, bas s
M RR: WH A T 'S YO U R SU BT ERFU GE?
R
: P unk r oc k .
G
: Bei ng a c ons er vat i ve per s on by day and bei ng di s or der ly by ni ght
. T w o i m ages i n one,
li k e " SU BT ERFU GE c er eal"
w i t h flak es . . .
M
: . . . and beer .
A LL
: (pas s i ng ar ound funny glas s es ) : A punk band's punk band.
M : . . . w i t h peni s nos es .
M RR:
WH A T H O T EL C A SI N O DO YO U LI VE
I N ?
T:
Slots of Fun b ecause they' ve got 5 0 e d rinks.
R
: I li ve w i t h St eve Wynn (ow ner ) i n a s ui t e at t he Golden N ugget .
G
: T he punk s her e ar e pr obably a li t t le m or e dow n t o ear t h t han t he s c ene i n L
. A . Las
Vegas i s a pr et t y c ons er vat i ve
c i t y i n s pi t e of t he i m age i t has .
We li ve i n hous es li k e m os t
ever yone her e, and t her e's a bad s i de of t ow n and a good s i de of t ow n, jus t li k e any
s ubur b.
R
: We have a full- fledged c i t y w i t h lot s t o do, alt hough ec onom i c ally i t
' s gam bli m g and
m i li t ar y.
M RR
: H O W I S T H E I N DU ST RY A N D M O RA LE DI FFEREN T I N L
. V. ?
T: There is no morale.
R
: I t 's a t r ue 24- hour - O ver - 21 t r ans i ent t ow n w i t h a w hole new s et of r ules
. .
RI C H A RD
: (fr i end w ho's over and s t agger s t hr ough) '
. . . and a 7 - 1 1 on ever y c or ner .
M RR: WH A T K I N D O F JO BS DO YO U WO RK ?
M : I w or k
at Bat i s t a's (Gi g's fam i ly's
I t ali an r es t aur ant ) as a w ai t er .
R
: I t as t e food and s t ar t c ar s for t he m afi a bos s es .
G : I 'm a s t and- up c om edi an at m y dad's r es t aur ant .
T: I' m a
runner for a law firm.
MRR
: WHAT D O YOU D O FOR FU N IN L . V. ?
T:
We get d runk and go to parties and ruin them.
G
: We s et bad exam ples .
M
: We don't gam ble or any of t hat bec aus e i t 's s om et hi ng w e don't w ant t o be a par t of.
We've got bet t er t hi ngs t o do w i t h our m oney.
G
: We gam ble get t i ng up i n t he m or ni ng.
R : We gamb le w hen w e tour.
MRR : HOW WOU LD YOU
LIKE TO SEE THE LOCAL
SCENE IMP ROVE?
R: We do our par t by m ak i ng m us i c and s om ebody els e has t o
. . .
M : . .
. t her e's defi ni t ely enough people t o m ak e i t a w or t hw hi le s c ene, w e jus t need a c lub.
M RR: DO I N O T I C E
SO M E P ERSO N N EL C H A N GES?
M
: Bar ney Rubble (T odd) i s playi ng bas s now bec aus e Jon got s i c k and m oved t o di ffer ent
i nt er es t s .
M RR
: WH A T 'S GO I N G O N WI T H M YST I C ?
M : We'r e on M ys t i c 's 7 "
EP of Las Vegas , Welc om e T o Babylon, and t he
LP c om pi lat i on,
Let 's Di e, w i t h s om e ot her loc al bands , and t he LP c om p Sam oler #2.
M RR
: You've been w r i t i ng and r ec or di ng a lot of new s t uff
. .
R: We' r e r eady for a new album
. w e'r e gonna s t ar t r ec or di ng i n a m ont h
. We'r e gonna
pr oduc e i t , w r i t e i t , play i t , s ell i t . .
. s om e s ongs s m oot h and s om e s ongs r aw
. . on our ow n
label . .
. m or e fr eedom of di ver s i t y . .
G : I 've got a s olo c ar eer t oo . . .
M RR
: WH A T A RE YO U R I N T EREST S A N D I N FLU EN C ES BESI DES T H E BA N D?
R
: T her e's no deep dar k s ec r et s t hat m ot i vat e SU BT ERFU GE
. T he w hole exi s t enc e of
r oc k ' n ' r oll has i nfluenc ed m e
. O ur fam i li es have i nfluenc ed us
. H alf our s ongs deal w i t h
our fam i ly r elat i ons hi ps
. M y at hlet i c s have a lot t o do w i t h m y dr um m i ng bec aus e a
dr um m er r equi r es a lot of ener gy and endur anc e.
G
: I alw ays li k e folk m us i c and BO B DYLA N . M y dog, C haos , i s an i ns pi r at i on.
M : T her e's alot m or e t o lyr i c s t han jus t w r i t i ng t hem dow n
. I li k e t o put s om e t hought i nt o
t hem and s t i ll t r y t o m ak e t hem s o people c an under s t and t he m es s ages
. M y s t yle of
w r i t i ng i s get t i ng m or e abs t r ac t bec aus e I don't w ant t he r es t of t he w or ld t o t hi nk I 'm as
s t upi d as I ac t .
M RR
: H O W H A S YO U R C REA T I VI T Y M A T U RED SI N C E YO U R FI RST A LBU M ?
R: T he fi r s t LP i s all old s ongs , 3 or 4 year s old
. We put t hos e out s o w e c ould get on w i t h,
ever yt hi ng els e bec aus e t hey w er e li nger i ng.
M : N o bi g c hanges
. You'll pr obably hear s om e c hanges on i t bec aus e i t 'll be r ec or ded
di ffer ent .
R: I t '
s gonna be t he s am e band br i ngi ng s ongs fr om t he s am e plac e t he ot her s c am e fr om .
I t 's jus t m or e s ongs
. . . t he lat es t edi t i on of SU BT ERFU GE m ayhem .
M RR
: WH A T 'S YO U R FU T U RE DI REC T I O N ?
M: Tour.
R
: M ak e m or e r ec or ds . Eur ope
. H ead eas t unt i l w e hi t c om m uni s m .
M RR
: WH A T 'S YO U R SC H EDU LE T O T O U R?
A LL: Sum m er /fall '85.
M RR
: WH A T DO YO U DET ERM I N E YO U R SU C C ESS BY?
R : Healthy veins.
G : Bei ng c r eat i ve w i t h w hat 's
ar ound us . A bi llboar d . . . I w as t he pos t er
c hi ld for abor t i ons .
M RR: LA ST WO RDS?
R
: Kittens, tw o for $1 .
M: We' re gonna stay and play for
a long time. The meaning of
punk has changed since it
started and there' s a w id e variety of
music that can b e categorized as punk, from the
CU RE to MINOR THREAT, and I listen to all of it
. The negative sid e comes from b and s that
are over pessimistic. I'
ve b ecome more aw are from listening to lyrics from b and s and I' m ,

more in touch w ith the w orld situation

. I' m more informed . P unk analyzes itself too much

and it' s easy to take the pessimistic view

. You should look for the good there is and try to
m

C
make the b est out of that. In L
. V. , the scene is in a b it of a lull, b ut my friend s and I
try to
make the b est of it b y just having fun and still caring.

R : Come see
us, you' ll never b e d isappointed .
C ont ac t SU BT ERFU GE
: 2807 Lac anada/ Las Vegas N V 89 1 09 / (7 02) 7 32- 0351 .
t I I I L'J t 1 a t aA - t N
. L. J. as r 1

Z
n
t aY J I Li f'Y W
A M
n
P
lat
t +~/M
~
.i//I1/I~~~,
a$ !7!!!! 1
tss
f~1i~11/I/
vies.
.I6

i
li t i am aw ellr ~~
n
~, ~
to
te Rad io
,
r

to n
e
t ~A r
YYI
SheY to
de
aY
t

The Keh en t vrant s t the

9 1
f

ooV

A
,t The re
ecn
tho Bh on' th
e
n, ' 9 1
ne
erYn t D a
tert i
`f
M1
iha[ i' ne sn
ep
oni
1
n Mb

cans
r
an
n
;' 1
The '
8A
9 o '

neon
Tt
. e
~

1 '
h1

er
r
,a

gut ee~er i t c t
nBt r a p
e
t i ll
uA
/pfs
1
bi t ai ls
Si
phi . 1 g ,i lt ,s i n
gt us ~~
aI nv
a s e or M ol
'
!`,s i t /
. en
.
A c
i l ls am ai n N n N o
1 1 t /I t //~/t
T o
l$I
c olt 1 1 I 1
T o
N' er~~trrl~i
p
r
~~n
~! /fir0 0
6
Like
tIIn sw am
G 1 ,
. i
. iII I
$

e~< t~
, IR
A1 w oY:
torn allSI1 1 1 1 1 k
, eim a
~~\~f ~~i~ 1 a1 a ~t /Ii i

i
Bar d

on Glos s y P aper w i t h Full P age phot os

0i m t o
t hes e i s s ues s t i ll avai lable
N ovem ber
SuMdEA ` endends3
Johnny Thundorro
Ji mmy Honon o i s nOeo
January/February
Mppor MOOOon'a Fonmeo
Dead Mffi men Mande Surftro
Apri l/ May
Corr~Jc~rr o Repi lecemen'Ro
Mr . Ni aaWrrEA
June July
Dyad Kenn edyo Fdoo prropho e
$1
. 00 per i s s ue U . S
. and C anada
$2 . 00 over s eas (U
. S. c ur r enc y only, pleas e)
Send nam e, addr es s s and c hec k or m oney or der
t o :

H ar i ) O hm '
T. M. T. 9 24
9 7 tapw oob ,

0 7 60 7
P o
Sil) in
*1
0P
.4-itit
it')
Fo r ir
k
( 4 .

vr;icir
7SE( A~7)S
"N uk e Your Di nk " N evada c om p EP w i t h:
7 Second s, Sub terfuge, No D eal,
4

U rb an Assault, Jackshit, The Yob s,

The Remains, The Ex pelled
'M r . * 1 1 1 V M D'
$2. 5 0 U . S. ! ad d 5 0 c Canad a, $1 overseas
3r
v
tr
.

_
WA LK T O GET H ER
RO C K T O GET H ER 'A l
3v
i t
t1
ig$450
.S
./ 71%ldat overs eas
U ad d
1
*, e
g
ilW _A
Oto
oTloi
a
.fl)WI
s
gyp

`
s
i
v'o
FA
eirv
L
,
lif

f
NI
gIrfeitl

vooII? lV
oI t

.4
ng cJ e on

-t,
:,-
+

AA

.
s'

79

0 Silverada Suite 237

O.

4
~G

At

40,w

. $i

Reno, NV89502
- "VV
RECORDS

0 riA 4

4
'o

H eavy,

H e ' s

Rel
comp cassette album featuring
4 the best and worst of the Reno
underground, including: No
Deal, Master Sickness, The
Yobs, 7 Seconds, Slayed Angel,
Informal, Uptown F unk, Brad &
Greg, F uad Ramsey's Army, The
O Expelled and lots more!!! 60
Minutes of music, comedy and
!
insanity..

Available for $3
U . S . ,

add

50C

Canada,

$1 r
overseas
.
How d y! Finally another scene report
from Missouri so you guys and gals d on' t
forget ab out us
. We' ve had small scenes
popping up from various tow ns all over,
now that the w eather has changed .
We' ll start w ith St
. Louis. WHITE
SU BU RBAN YOU TH have b een playing
around now and again and are getting new
material out . BLIND ID IOT G OD , a 3 - piece
instrumental b and w ith a good sound , are
somew here over there
. They' re great, b ut
I haven' t heard or seen them for a w hile.
There are some cool places to play in St.
Loui, ex cept that Heartb reak Hotel closed
d ow n, b ut may start up again.
Nex t is Columb ia, w here w e sit
. BONE
D EEP formed several months ago, and have
had a few ex cellent gigs
. P ow er is the
only w ord I can think of to d escrib e
them- - they' ve got plenty
. They' re b lueish,
rockish, fast, and pow erful
. Then there' s
LIKE A HORSE, w ho b egan as a 3 - piece,
b ut have gained a singer
. Their sound is
influenced b y ' 7 7 punk, b ut they' ve got
some of those cow sw ingin' , knee slappin'
tunes
. And finally there' s a new b and
called STATE OF MISERY
. They ( I should
say "us", seeing that w e' re in it and all)
are jamming right now and pulling together
songs b it b y b it . It' s a lot of fun.
Columb ia d oesn' t get a lot of show s ( mainly
it' s St. Louis and K
. C. ) , b ut w e' re
surviving. If any b and w ants to play
here, call Arianne ( 3 1 4 ) 4 4 3 - 1 1 4 4 or Kelli
( 3 1 4 ) 4 4 5 - 5
1 1 0 9
. We also have 2 really cool
rad io show s on KOP N.
Onw ard to Kansas City. The O . D . ' s
after putting out the Back At The Ranch
LP , are a slightly d ifferent b and w ith a
new d rummer and second guitarist.
They' re also on the P arty Animal comp.
The SLABS are going strong, and w e' re
the b est I' d ever seen them a couple of
w eeks ago . D ave Slab , the singer, is great
on stage. Other b and s out of K . C. are:
JOY OF D ESTRU CTION ( w ho used to b e
CATHOLIC ABORTIONS, ex cept w ith a new
d rummer and b ass player) , and E. M. F.
( w ho sometimes have 3
or 4 guitar
players) .
In Springfield , there' s a b and w ho just
formed called ANEREXIC SACRIFICE.
There' s also a cool skate scene there and a
mag called Friggin Off In P ub lic ( Rm 23 7 - 2
Fred d y House/ 1 0 0 0 E
. Mad ison/
Springfield MO 65 3 0 7 ) .
And then there' s our state capital,
Jefferson City
. Their scene is small, b ut
there' s a couple of cool b and s
: SID E- FX
and D
. O . S. .
That' s ab out it
. Things are looking up
and people are cool, b ut w e d o need b and s
to play here
. We' ll b e seeing you.
Arianne & Kelli/ P
. O
. Box 7 4 61 / Columb ia
MO 65 20 1 .
OD ' s
NEW RELEASES FROM UNSOUND MUSIC:
Hi t Tan
IDTS32
EMEC MAMA ID $ 5
.00ppd
gi
If IWO C~1s1IIBR7~L~ADF~~~
CREATED IN YOUR IMAGE
cassette $ 3.00 ppd
1 NSANIIM7
cassette $ 3.00ppd
M AL ME
cassette $ 3.00ppd
3
Ei i 'AN
ASS BACKWARDS
noise cassette $2.00 ppd
add $1 overseas
DIENFWIPE
@HiEsEiRLEAI
SA4AN WIENER LEAD BR S
DARK TWICEFOR FREEDOM
cassette $ 3
.00ppd
)A1
cassette $ 3.00ppd
STILL AVAILABLE:
EARS
ZIETGEIST
AND
T - shi rts $ 5 .00
ea. postste pai d
specify si . se(s,m . l,x 1 )
HELP!!
The bands will be touring soon
and we need your help finding show
dates
.For more info .write:
ri
d
DIE(FE'N
c
u
ti
ns

11721
MUSIC Do box 216 Centeroort
. I+ V
RECORD STORES!Let's deal di rect!(516)266- 1889
(when sendi nq checks,make poyable to Jeff Eori nq)
C.H.BE'R
LEADIE+ R
CHAMP AIG N, IL- Something a b it d ifferent?
Born : Local BYO ; a few people ad opted
tie BYO name, b ecame a university
stud ent group thereb y gaining access to $
and space, orgainzed an Ethiopian b enefit
w ith 9 b and s, and raised $65 0 for OKFAM.
G reat time; P ut on a couple of other show s
w ith TOXIC REASONS, BLATANT
D ISSENT, N . I . L . 8, etc, all- ages.
D ied : Local BYO lost stud ent fund s and
access to space after the alcohol situation
got out of hand at a gig. D rag. Its hard
to say no to friend s and ( some,
anyw ay) out- of- tow ners.
Born: D EAD RELATIVES, a preciously
ab rasive political shout b and that sound s
like Charles Manson b acked b y The
SHAG S.
Born: KIU B CRACK, an electric moan.
Imagine taking so many d rugs that you
feel like someone smarter than yourself in
a state of d epression. D anceab le.
D ied : The ANG LERS- - slithering early IG G Y
meets G ANG OF 4 on a b us, kid naps the
guitar player, and tells the rest to fuck
off. Lead crooner Logan moved b ack to
G eorgia to reform the b and w ith Jeb , the
original b ass player
. Well miss you.
Born, b ut soon d ied : The FAKE BOYS.
Imagine 20 b ruised child ren slashing their
w rists on a merry- go- round w hile a gorilla
plays the calliope.
StillKicking: !ACK ACK!, socio- political
d ance music, sneer, ooze, yell, cigarettes.
The FARM BOYS, unpretentious garage
lad s released a 6- song cassette. Yahoo! D o
a killer cover of the VELVETS' "There She
G oes" . OU TNU MBERED are a garage- pop
outfit

that just released an LP on

Homestead and

w ill

b e touring this
summer . WEIRD SU MMER . Bob w rites great
songs- - melod ic psyched elia, b ut cooler.
Just acquired Nick on 2nd guitar from
TU RNING CU RIOU S. The BREED ERS ( my
b and ) play b rilliant punk rock- reggae.
Slaves to no lab el, 3 - song single out
( through Systematic) , and have a new
7 - song tape too . P ossib ly touring this
summer . NAMELESS D READ d o ex cellent
performance punk . CRAZY ED D IES are an
unpretentious punk b and , w ith a great
cover of ZAP P A' s "Big Leg Emma".
There aren' t enough all- ages gigs here.
The usual halls have either tripled the
rent or just plain w imped out . Anyw ay,
thanks to : Charlie the Quaker for his
great rad io show on WEFT, w hich has just
started running the MRR Rad io show ; D ave
Holtgrave for b ooking countless show s;
Sheila for her legw ork and d ed ication,
Laurie, Elaine and Barb for their spaghetti
d inners for out- of- tow ners; Mike Field s for
his sound ex pertise. Write me, D ru Van
D usen/ 1 0 0 6 S
. First St #6i Champaign IL
61 820 . BREED ERS tape availab le for $3 . 7 5
ppd , w ith stickers. Also, anyone in Iow a
City and Minneapolis: w e w ant to play
there, so send me your ad d ress
i et

. 41
MRR:
YW
WHAT CONCEIVED THE INSTIG ATORS? WHO IS IN THE(
' BAND ? HOW LONG HAS IT EXISTED ? AND HOW LONG D O YOU
h, WISHIT TO END U RE?
. "'
. .

. .
f fir. . ,. r t:,r. _
l
: From the b eginning, w e' ve w orked really hard to get ourselves:
together as a pow erful musical and lyrical b and , and to try to geti
aout and d o something rather than just sit b ack and vegetate
. It' s' ',
4 1 4 our w ay of rejecting b ored om and a "9 - 5 " lifestyle
. We' ve b een.
yetogether nearly 4 years altogether ( Semi, Mooney, and Hammy, that
C
;, is- - Tab came in January of ' 83 ) . We also w ork w ith a w oman w e
jknow w ho is starting to w rite songs and d oes a poem on the LP .
suppose w e' ll carry on until there seems no point in staying
together.
NRR : WHY THE NAME "INSTIG ATORS"?
LI :
It sound ed fitting, and it' s d one quite w ell b ecause w e feel it
really represents w hat w e' re trying to d o : instigate people to think,
T: and to reject all the shit that' s throw n around b y the med ia, '
rparents, and authorities
. The list is end less.
1 :, MRR
: WHAT ARE THE THEMES OF YOU R SONG S? D O THE ID EAS
: : :YOU STRESS FOLLOW THE BELIEFS OF THE BAND OR JU ST
IND IVID U ALS?

`b

~a

i c
t
I : They vary. We have no set tieme,
have their lyrics on the LP , w hich is re;
us ob ject to the lyrics, although ame of
w ord "shit" b eing sung on the d b um
;: unintelligent . Yet w e kept it, althegh w e
( Shit!, w e' ve said it!) haw se it
" s other w ord s could b e used . We w rite
;_through, and if they' re good , w e se the!
;ind ivid ual view s w hich
;tthhe
b and
pay
res w ithh
RR : H O W DO YO U FEEL A BO U T t H E M
T H E BO LLO X T O T H E GO N A DS C 01 P LP ,
N EW LP , N O BO DY LI ST EN S A N Y RE?
GRO WT H ? WH A T WI LL H A P P EN N EX
I : Ob viously, w e' ve grow n strong and
w ell as lyrically. We rarely d o thosBollo;
b elieve it w as w orthw hile, how e4 out
w ould n' t accept a song unless w e ougl
ast. We also w ant to b rid ge the gp b etw
of music. I think our nex t projecs w ill
than the LP , and there' ll b e at at one
get into the "thrash rut".
MRR : FROM THE ATTITU D ES 9 U ' VE
P OSITIVE D IRECTION OF YOU R BILIT
SINCERE CHARISMA. D OES THISLOME
N LIFE, OR THE ANG ER YOU HIVE B
HAP P ENING IN SOCIETY? D O YOU FEEL
WILL HELP , OR ARE YOU U NSU REIF YOU
I : The w ay w e are and think is rally a e
. at w hat goes on around us. Asw e ge
realize more w hat shit there is sound ,
you' re forced into conformity a Iol more
you learn w hat an evil place thew orld
some people are. We have, and art tryin
as to w hat effect it w ill have, w e ar
convinced one person w ill give upw at, tl
w orthw hile
. If everyone got togd her
squab b ling

ab out

w ho' s

pt
skins/punks/anarchists/etc. , and pt d o
trying, then it w ould all b e w orthw hie.
MRR
: WITH "D INE U P ON THE D EAF, YC
TOWARD S ANIMALS. P LEASE G OINTO
ID EALS OF BEING ANTI- VIVISCTIO
P RO- ANIMAL AND HU MAN RIG HTS. WHY
BELIEFS, AND HOW LONG HAVE Y0 1 HAD
I : Well, 3 } years ago w e read the aver tc
"Neu Smell", and actually realized then
. , We' d never linked meat and the slighter
erred so natural to us. But It isn' t
:, ' immed iately, or rather, w e refused !) b e i
a really personal thing. Once youlecome
you never need ed this d isgusting ma,
. vivisection- - I' ve stood outsid e a hqe b ui
any factory- - full of animals w ho w re b ei
nothing more than vanity and prof
. I
ould see this, they' d stop immed stely.
ignorance that supports this d eathtrad e.
eating meat, and w ill, if that' s vat yc
continue our protest . It' s got tob e st
comb ined efforts. . . it w ill b e!
: : . MRR : D O YOU P ROTEST? IF SO, I TRO
:
. A P ROTEST, ARE YOU P ACIFIST R VIO
' :D O YOU FEEL ABOU T THE P OLCE A
TREAT P ROTESTERS? HOW D O TIINK
:::D OES MONEY CONTROL THEIR P RI( 4 ?
I : We have protested , b ut it' s hanthese
Ab out violence- - w e are d efinitely pcifist
w e d on' t w ant
nt to say that all violate is
4 sometimes, d epend ing on The sitation,
' ourselves or a friend from a
mall b ad
b astard s generally, b ut w e' ve nrer f
personally, b ut from an ob serverspint o
the Citys", they' ve b een really OW. '
d oing my job ( hi- chumb as!) peopli the) ,
they' re getting paid .
MRR : HOW D O YOU FEEL ABOIF MOI
AG AINST P ROFIT? IF AG AINST,
1 W D
THEY P U T OU T AN EFFORT?
I
: Money is horrib le. It corrupts kills
people. If only it w ould go aw a! ( let'
f
everyone w ho' s d epressed these ays h
b ecause they' re so greed y or b ecalm the
of countless prob lems, a b ad situlion.
w orld of profit, and to survive here to
The only w ay to d o that is male a pi
vicious circle starts again
. Therei a fi
living' s sake and profit for greets sal
sucks ( maaaannl) . The w hole curmcy
too . No one cares ex cept those w hore go
thousand s w hen the pound or d olls d rop
all this and end up smiling and maing t
w ars and b ig missiles. It makes us vry sic
4
e
F

~t,
f- 1 _.
NKEf M
.^
.N
'

' I
YC~i i .
: 'ti )s~
:i i t".~jft,
. .
.ti j)

i lut'n~~s `} } t'
A 22Z[ Q`

~1 ~'
.
. . .

' t

)
is.
:

;q`
I : They vary. We have no set theme, and four d ifferent people. ,
have their lyrics on the LP , w hich is really good
. I think none of
us ob ject to the lyrics, although some of the b and ob jected to the
w ord "shit" b eing sung on the alb um b ecause they felt it w as
unintelligent . Yet w e kept it, although w e' ve now agreed not to say
( Shin, w e' ve said it!) b ecause it serves little purpose w hen
' ' other w ord s could b e used
. We w rite lyrics, then read them
through, and if they' re good , w e use them
. You could say they are
, t . .
:ind ivid ual view s w hich the b and a rees w ith .
!t~~i~~`

i
(
/ti It
n

z
t
ii
il.
t #t
fNtztiii,

I
ts~ MRR
: HOW D O - "
YOU FEEL ABOU T THE MU SIC YOU P ROD U CED ON
THE BOLLOX TO THE G ONAD S COMP LP , AS COMP ARED TO YOU R.
NEW LP , NOBOD Y LISTENS ANYMORE? IS THERE CHANG E OR
G ROWTH? WHAT WILL HAP P EN NEXT!
I : Ob viously, w e' ve grow n strongel and improved technically, as
w ell as lyrically
. We rarely d o those Bollox tracks, although w e still
b elieve it w as w orthw hile, how evd r outd ated they are now . We
w ould n' t accept a song unless w e thought it w as b etter than the
Mast . We also w ant to b rid ge the gap b etw een all the d ifferent kind s
of music. I think our nex t projects w ill b e slightly more musical
than the LP , and there' ll b e at least one slow er song, so as not to
get into the "thrash rut".
MRR
: FROM THE ATTITU D ES YOU ' VE EXP RESSED , AND THE
P OSITIVE D IRECTION OF YOU R ABILITIES, YOU SHOW A VERY
SINCERE CHARISMA . D OES THIS COME FROM YOU R KNOWLED G E
IN LIFE, OR THE ANG ER YOU HAVE BASED ON WHAT YOU SEE
HAP P ENING IN SOCIETY? D O YOU FEEL YOU R SINCERE EFFORTS
WILL HELP , OR ARE YOU U NSU RE OF YOU R STANCE?
I
: The w ay w e are and think is really a reflection of our aw areness
;at w hat goes on around us. As w e get old er ( and w iser?) , w e
' realize more w hat shit there is around , b ecause as you get old er: :: :.
you' re forced into conformity a lot more, and as you reject this, t::
Cyou learn w hat an evil place the w orld can b e- - and how nasty. . .
some people are. We have, and are, trying to make people see. But;;
as to w hat effect it w ill have, w e are very unsure. If w e' re
convinced one person w ill give up meat, then I think it w ould all b e:F,%
w orthw hile. IIf everyone got together and stopped this stupid r" "
.
. squab b ling ab out w ho' s got the b est " scene" , "
"skins/punks/anarchists/etc
. , and got d ow n to actual caring and ^
1
trying, then it w ould all b e w orthw hile.
. :MRR : WITH "D INE U P ON THE D EAD ", YOU SHOW YOU R FEELING SI
TOWARD S ANIMALS. P LEASE G O INTO MORE D ETAIL ON THE
:, ' ID EALS OF BEING ANTI- VIVISECTION, VEG ETARIAN, AND '
P RO- ANIMAL AND HU MAN RIG HTS. WHY D O YOU CHOOSE THESE
BELIEFS, AND HOW LONG HAVE YOU HAD THEM?
I : Well, 3 i years ago w e read the cover to FLU X OF P INK IND IANS'
"Neu Smell", and actually realized then and there w hat meat is!
. . We' d never linked meat and the slaughter of animals b efore- - it just
:
:: :'
seemed so natural to us. But it isn' t . We b ecame vegetarians
::
immed iately, or rather, w e refused to b e a part of this murd er . It' s

n "ER
:a really personal thing. Once you b ecome a veggy, you realize that

NEVER- T2E
% E // s you never need ed this d isgusting, macho patriotic shit . Also, T

/ AMEOA~
HH
vivisectionI' ve stood outsid e a huge b uild ing w hich w as as b ig as

AS y

a'

r vFat< FE WAS
s

E
any factory- - full of animals w ho w ere b eing tortured and killed for

Ip gU M4 ice
sw ic. lE'

scLael ~J r
b F
nothing more than vanity and profit I nearly cried If only people/Aw w SM' As
' ' r
LIVE aez in r"Y' pe
YaNG
. .
could see this, they' d stop immed iately. It' s just b lood y- mind ed
ignorance that supports this d eath trad e
. I w ould b eg you to stop
eating meat, and w ill, if that' s w hat you w ant . Otherw ise, w e' ll'
continue our protest . It' s got to b e stopped . And through our
: : comb ined efforts. . . it w ill b e!
1 I
:
: :. MRR : D O YOU P ROTEST? IF SO, IF TROU BLE OCCU RED AT SU CH
::A P ROTEST, ARE YOU P ACIFIST OR VIOLENT IN REACTION? HOW
' "D O YOU FEEL ABOU T THE P OLICE ACTIONS AND HOW THEY
TREAT P ROTESTERS? HOW D O THINK THEY SEE YOU R CAU SE?
::. ^. D OES MONEY CONTROL THEIR P RID E?
TI : We have protested , b ut it' s hard these d ays as w e' ve little time.
Ab out violence- - w e are d efinitely pacifist and ab hor fighting. But
w e d on' t w ant to say that all violence is w rong. It should b e, b ut
' sometimes, d epend ing on The situation, w e may have to d efend
ourselves or a friend from a really b ad situation . The police are
' , b astard s generally, b ut w e' ve never felt much of their w rath
personally, b ut from an ob servers point of view at d emos and "Stops
the Citys", they' ve b een really aw ful . They' re the typica; "only
d oing my job " ( hi- chumb as!) people;' they could n' t care as long as
they' re getting paid .
- MRR : HOW D O YOU FEEL ABOU T MONEY? ARE YOU FOR OR
AG AINST P ROFIT? IF AG AINST, HI~W D OES ONE SU RVIVE WHEN
. THEY P U T OU T AN EFFORT?
Money is horrib le
. It corrupts, kills, d epresses and corrod es
i people
. If only it w ould go aw ay ( let' s take it w ay?) . Really,
, w eryone w ho' s d epressed these d ays has money to b lame either
7 b ecause they' re so greed y or b ecause they' re skint
. Its the cause
of countless prob lems, a b ad situation. You have to live in this
w orld of profit, and to survive have to get get money somehow .
The only w ay to d o that is make a profit, and then the w hol
vicious circle starts again. There is a fine line b etw een profit fo
living' s sake and profit for greed ' s sake. And the latter really
sucks ( maaaannt) . The w hole currency situation is a load of crap
too
. No one cares ex cept those w ho' ve got so much money they los -
thousand s w hen the pound or d ollar d rops . G overnments encourage
all this and end up smiling and making their profits for their little
w ars and b ig missiles
. It makes us very sick ind eed .
v . :- , . . ; m . . r. r _^. . "s . ~c . %%%%%%i . ~
:%%%%%%!\ U l\ U %%%%%%
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%%%%a
. aaat aa.
Ad es aeF 1 -0 WAR

guND w t' BY 1 61 , 8
WO teams NAJ4

pc. o Re FoR . 64
- y' RE. F~rNtn3 F

+, , hNkY MAN
g orv
,
r aeW s f

You A, N G oTA . <

. .
THEY trn) f' ~i( r .
. . , t

_
- rk&Y ceN- D
U J
s-
AI l~
;`- OOH' OoH
Sur 1 s , r R BHT.

isY MA~J
eLa soi-
picas ~'
O P Sw - o1 EK5
IJtyEx
r r!_V6R D IE
%EATH '
.' S ifi3) at
WAR is The TRAerirlti
ov
ALL
uR FEms . tY mi' Jk
i) MT YeJRw
A MNI
IS Be
REIGAS ED

CrRon ,
Y a1R
MUSCLES
~i A r A c aRN aT ~ RA T .

A S
Br r r A S Yau 4W
p,~rrlcSnvirie

ru
. ~ . .
To
AFFIRM 7NE [fin/
. , .
g
ASY ouRT
. -.
r4Alr'
.d

Yeu'pserrc~
rs
A Me csARYF
ALr

CT
6k
rb SCNL
TaWLY
TAtES

i' t^
roc Mien)
gauss F`tttl~

oal
. G>JH
Tw nINM1 E Wa F- +,r

,"}D 1 kEY
1 00
y mGa rl>cu: Nav

MA
l
v/
AN ttss Acr,aJ

' "_

_v- r.
. ^ . :^
w oe
A/e
7 5 6rzW

Yo1 oaMk
- roeET{{Eir . .

SeJgJ
pw J7 5
A?' iG t
}?gyp - Jo
3 rir, iAI
E F~i1 5
- reU WTer YEW/4 - I ,

Laokrnrr F. D . A Fn G }IT
set theme, and four d ifferent people.
w hich is really good
. I think none of'
ugh some of the b and ob jected to the
the alb um b ecause they felt it w as
although w e' ve now agreed not to say
b ecause it serves little purpose w hen
. We w rite lyrics, then read them
w e use them . You could say they are
d ~.
ac;rees w ith.
OU T THE MU SIC YOU P ROIU CED ON
S COMP LP , AS COMP ARED TO YOU R
ANYMORE? IS THERE CHANG E OR
NEXT
trongef and improved technically, as
those Bollox tracks, although w e still
how ev outd ated they are now . We
s w e
c ought it w as b etter than the
he gap b etw een all the d ifferent kind s
orojects w ill b e slightly more musical
at leastone slow er song, so as not to
ES YOU ' VE EXP RESSED ,
AND THE
tU R ABILITIES, YOU SHOW A VERY
HIS COME FROM YOU R KNOWLED G E
) U HAVE BASED ON WHAT YOU SEE
YOU FEEL YOU R SINCERE EFFORTS
JRE OF YOU R STANCE?
is
is really a reflection of our aw areness
As w e get old er ( and w iser?) , w e
is around , b ecause as you get old er
a lot more, and as you reject this, ::
the w orld can b e- - and how nasty.
d ar e, t r yi ng t o m ak e people s ee . But ; ;
ave, w e ar e ver y uns ur e . I f w er e
up m eat , t hen I t hi nk i t w ould all be
':;
t oget her and s t opped t hi s s t upi d; ;
got

the

b est

"scene",
and got d ow n to actual caring and %%
thw hile,
D EAD ", YOU SHOW YOU R FEELING S'
G O INTO MORE D ETAIL ON THE
VIVISECTION, VEG ETARIAN, AND
HTS. WHY D O YOU CHOOSE THESE
E YOU HAD THEM?
the cover to FLU X OF P INK IND IANS'
alized then and there w hat meat is.
se slaughter of animals b efore- - it just . .
gun rs a ti
p , .
ut it isn' t. We b ecame vegetarians;:

ow

aneZs '

:' f
JkeY MANI L
used to
b e a part of this murd er
. It' s
you b ecome a veggy, you realize that/
NEVER TAE
. /~

~~
/'er7Y Hier
usting, macho patriotic shit . Also, et/
T`
~ A ME
x H
a huge b uild ing w hich w as as b ig asr
ao

r= > '

NE
u, tis
io w ere b eing tortured and killed for/ M, rv/, e&Foe s. r+t:" .

o~ $c Ers
.
~
. 1'r
bF
profit. I nearly cried . If only people

ui
psw
:
a ' T N, WE D on ' rt w ar - Y r5
Ycs. NG ES
mmed iately . It' s just b lood y- mind ed
leath trad e. I w ould b eg you to stop
is w hat you w ant . Otherw ise, w e' ll
t to b e stopped . And through our
O, IF TROU BLE OCCU RED AT SU CH
ST OR VIOLENT IN REACTION? HOW
P OLICE ACTIONS AND HOW THEY
O THINK THEY SEE YOU R CAU SE?
P RID E?
hard these d ays as w e' ve little time.
ely pacifist and ab hor fighting. But
violence is w rong
. It should b e, b ut
situation, w e may have to d efend
really b ad situation. The police are
e never felt much of their w rath
ers point of view at d emos and "Stop
ly aw ful, They' re the typica; "only
seople;lthey could n' t care as long as
) BOU T MONEY? ARE YOU FOR OR
T, H4 W D OES ONE SU RVIVE WHEN
upts, kills, d epresses and corrod es
aw ay ( let' s take it w ay?)
. Really,
se d ays has money to b lame either
b ecause they' re skint . It' s the cause
situation
. You have to live in this
ie have to get get money somehow .
make a profit, and then the w hol
ere is a fine line b etw een profit fo
greed ' s sake
. And the latter really
currency situation is a load of crap
w ho' ve got so much money they lose
d ollar d rops. G overnments encourage
d making their profits for their little
us very sick ind eed .
1
\ 0\ \ 1 1 1 uu1 1 ~1 1 1
. . . MRR
: D O YOU LIVE IN HOU SES TOG ETHER, OR IND IVID U ALLY?
= D O YOU HAVE JOBS, OR D OES THE BAND P ROVID E A WORKING
P AYMENT? EXP LAIN ABOU T "P EACEVILLE TAP ES" AND WHAT YOU
H O P E
T O A C C O M P LI SH .
Yes w e live in houses, b ut not together . All of us live w ith our
= parents. We started the b and w hen w e w ere 1 6. Tw o of us w ent to
gcollege to do art/photography, and two of us workdoing various
=jobs
.So, we haven'treally gotthe time or money to setup
=together yet(if atall) .We're thinking aboutleaving our vocations
land doing a lotmore gigs because we feel we can do it, butit's a

s
hard d ecision to make. We' d really like to go to Europe, and

`\\\

O. eventualiy the U
. S. P eaceville Tapes w as going to b e a joint effort,

\
b ut it d id n' t w ork out . . . so now just one of us d oes it . We all have

RR : D O YOU P ASS OU T P OSTERS WITH YOU R BELIEFS ON

d oing usic, etc) . Its split quite evenly
. The main thing is that RELEASE OR AN ESCAP E? IF YOU CARE ABOU T ANIMALS, D O
w e' re four very d ifferent ind ivid uals
. The only time w e w ork YOU CARE ABOU T YOU RSELVES?
together is in the b and , so w e get lots of input . This means w e I
: We d o hand outs of various things ( artw ork, lyrics, view s) , b ut
w on' t get into any ruts and w e' re quite d iverse
. We w ork on some not very often b ecause they all cost money and w e d on' t have
pub lications and put on a couple of gigs in our tow n. Hopefully, %much
. We tend to d o them w hen w e release things, and mail them/
w hen w e d o take the b and on fulltime, w e' ll get a lot more d one .

b ut w hen people ask for info . Ab out d rink and d rugs

: three of us~
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 , \~\\\~\\~~\~

/////jam/

P mu ok
re
e
eno joyment
rettes
, ,
and
onl
and w y all d rink
in
capa toi f
vari ous xtents. Thi s i s for
w ant

use it as such.
MRR
: HOW D O YOU FEEL AB

M. We d on' t really . I' d stop smoking if I w anted to- - b ut I d on' t

. We d od .
P REACHING THE SAME THING YOU ARE BU T WITH A D IFFERENT care ab out ourselves
. We' re all relatively healthy . I think d rink and
OU TLOOK AND END RESU LT? COU LD THERE BE P EACE WITHOU T

rugs are up to the ind ivid ual and as long as you d on' t ab use them
RELIG ION?

they can b e OK in mod eration.

I : This is a pet hate of mine.
hatred
It

and
defi ni tely
oppression.
o

not "preaching" the \\\\~\~1 1 1 1 r"' It' ~~I~III~~~I~III~~~' ~1 ~\\~\\\\\`\\\\

'
i
s am e as us . Reli gi on pr eac hes

I t c ondones '-
factions,

i
' meat- eating and w ar. It d estroys the mind of the ind ivid ual, creates MRR
: ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO COVE ?
factions, and cons millions into b elieving they' ll go to heaven if. n 0 1
: Yes. We w ant to d o gigs in Europe, America, Scand anavia, etc.
they live a shitty life on all- fours praying to some righteous shitslf anyone can help us out w ith this, w ould you please get in touch=
w ho never ex isted and is w ell- structured so as to play all these= b ecause w e' re read y and w illing. Write soon, c/o P eaceville Tapes/ 01.s
"Christians"rightinto the hands of the governments and their=5 St
.Michaels Close/ Thornhill, Dewsbury/ W Yorkshire WF12OJU/~
deathschemes.Itis probably one of the mostpotential~England.
d eath- creaters of all time. Apart from that, w e love Jesus and pray MRR : ANYONE YOU WANT TO THANK OR ACKNOWLED G E?
II hours of the d ay- - so w e w on' t have to go to hell . D on' t b ep
l : Thanx very much to P ushead for this interview and much more! ; =
sm.
shit- scared of "Christians" . Reject their rub b ish and live your life.

o SU BHU MANS, John Lod er, XP OZEZ, CHU MBAWAMBA, Raising n

Hell fanzine/ Crash Course fanzine, Tom Casner, Mark Spinale, and =
everyone w e' re forgetting.
Oil 0:0
i r e :
as .
$ CORns
2 Vi c t or i a T er r ac e M elk s ham Wi lt s hi r e
:%~\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\%1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 "I1 I
I"1 1 ' 1 ""' 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 IM
MRR : WHAT' S YOU R OU TLOOK ON D EATH? IS IT FEAR? WILL YOU
HAVE ACCOMP LISHED WHAT YOU WANT IF YOU D IED ? ARE YOU
TRYING TO MAKE A MARK, OR JU ST BE INVOLVED AND HELP
YOU R FELLOW HU MANS?
I : Ahhh, the inevitab le P ushead question
. D eath? As certain as
b irth. Not much to say
. It must frighten us all b ecause w e d on' t
know w hat w ill happen or w hen
. And everyone w ants to live
; w e d o
anyhow . I think the main thing is to create the found ation of w hat
you b elieve in and hope that people w ill carry it on after you
. . .
and strive for peace, love, and equality
. There' s no reason to
b ecome a martyr, etc.
; just hope people can rememb er how much
you cared and ad d that to your strength ( Are you afraid of d eath
P ushead ?) .
5

IL: CLC. .i
i I,:EI
.T
L .
.Y(kkJi

El CJU:,I.,GLt IND
Esc.
I` .CLUI)L.

C ;Tk
n n
. n n
. 1 1 81 81 1 1 1 1 1
1 1 1 1 1
n I . .
n _- - - -

. . . n . n 1 1
. 1 1 . 1 1
/n n 1 1 . 1 1 1
:. n
I
n
1 ~~I I
I I 1 1 1 1 ~1 t t 1 . 1 1
n
1 n_1
n I . '
n n '
0.
n -
D EP O- P ROVERA
D IE KREU ZEN
I ~t i l n 1 . 1
:. 1
n I n I n I
P SEU THSAYER
t LI
1 1 1

~~~.
rnf> r"ttt
n > t n
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
CRU STIES
. .
. / n 1 . 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
t i 1 n 1 n 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 n
li i i l
-
n
1 n I n 1 1 1 1 1
coesn' t suffer the same fate as Yano' s, an
all- ages hall w hich w as closed d ow n b y the
n olice
. One night they came in, told
:veryone they had to leave, and w hen
ome people refused , the cops b eat them
ith their nightsticks
. The majority of the
eople b eaten w ere young kid s, not
runken assholes
. The ow ner w ill b e
pening a new place soon, possib ly in the
ub urb s to avoid the ultra conservative
ity of Milw aukee
. We d on' t personally
now any b and s from the area, so w e can' t
ive any b and new s, ex cept that D IE
REU ZEN and the CRU STIES play out alot.
ACRED ORD ER has reformed , COU CH
LAMBEAU should have an LP soon, and
ISD AIN is record ing
. New b and s includ e:
RK, EARTHSHOE, D RASTIC MEASU RES
ND J. U . A
. SELF- G RATIFICATION have
eformed too.
KENOSHA
: We played at Bill' s Corner
ar, one of tw o places w here show s are
eld
. When playing Kenosha, ex pect lots of
eer, lots of fun, a cool turnout, great
izza, shitty ( b ut free) speed , and a
omfortab ly intertw ined crow d of punks
nd head b angers that really get into the
usic
. The local b and s ( that w e know of)
re the CHARMING D EVIANTS,
1 0 - 9 6, and
. S. D ISTRESS
. They all play pretty
asic thrash, b ut they' re all very good .
MAD ISON
: Lately there have b een 3
- tead y places for show s here- - O
' Cayz
Corral ( a small b ar) , the Wilmar Center ( a
ted ium- sized all- a
. eshall) , and Turner
D EAD LY
1 1 1 1 1 1
Hall ( a large all- ages hall)
. Occasionally
there w ill b e a show in the Stud ent U nion,
a co- op, a house party, or at another b ar.
Attend ance varies, as d oes aud ience' s
musical tastes. For ex ample, only 4 0 people
show ed up for D R . KNOW/RKL, b ut over
4 0 0 people show ed up for the,
MINU TEMEN/D IE KRU EZEN show and 1 5 0 '
plus show ed up for THE MESS/IMMINENT.
ATTACK/TARG ET

OF -
D EMAND /BREAKOU TS/RAW FEED BACK, -
er, I mean, RAW P OWER show . There are:
alot of good local b and s in tow n, something
for everyone here. G igging b and s are:
IMMINENT ATTACK ( 1 alb um, metal core) ,
THE AP P LIANCES ( 2 7 "s, 1 alb um, most
popular b and in tow n) , THE TAR BABIES
( 2 1 2"s, b luesy hard core) , THE MESS ( 1
7 ", punk rock) , THE MED ICINE SHOW
( VELVET U ND ERG ROU ND - type stuff) ,
KILLD OZER ( 1 alb um, slow , grow ly- type
stuff) , JU VENILE TRU TH ( 1 stud io tape,
temporarily b roken up) , MECHT MENSCH
( 1 7 ", w eird rock) , THE CHRIS LANE
BAND ( total shit, refuses to play out) ,
and a few younger b and s that are still in
the formative stages.

-
Sorry if w e forgot to mention
anything or anyone, if w e d id it w asn' t
intentional . We felt a scene report w as
long overd ue, so w e took the initiatives
w hich is more than you can say.
The Mess/ P O Box 25 3 2/ Mad ison, WI 5 3 7 0 1
n n
1
1 1 1 /1 1 1
1 1 1 1 1 1 1
. 1
n . n . n
- - n n n
. n /
. 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 i i i i
:/n n
- - . - . n . n 1 n
1 x1 1 1 1 1 1

I I li i i i U ,U
,
We are the b and THE MESS from
Mad ison. There hasn' t b een a Wisconsin
scene report in months, and since w e' ve
played all the outposts of punkd om in the
state, w e feel w e should let others know
ab out the area and its happenings.
G REEN BAY
: We' ve played there
several times, and the results have alw ays
b een positive
. Most b and s that have played
w ill agree that a good time is alw ays had
b y all . Show s happen at Kutzka
' s, a large
all- ages hall in the sub urb s
. A turn- out of
1 0 0 kid s or so can alw ays b e ex pected , so
b and s w on' t "earn their fortune" b y
playing there, b ut the enthusiasm of the
crow d more than makes up for it . There
w as a rash of b reak- ups among the local
b and s last fall, w ith SU BU RBAN
MU TILATION and D EP O P ROVERA the only
b and s to survive the d isease. S. U . M. ' s
~
. , alb um has b een out for aw hile now , and
the D EP O b oys are w aiting to get theirs

b ack from the pressing plant ( move it,

= rash!)
. The last time w e played there, the
_ new est b and in tow n w as the CU THROATS.
OSHKOSH : Nothing happening here
-
~
since super promoter D an Burr head ed
w est
. The amazing MORAL D ISG U ST ( now
called P SEU THSAYER) plays throughout
the mid - w est and is planning an LP .
MILWAU KEE
: We played at a small b ar
called the U nd erground , w hich b ooks all
forms of alternative music . We played solo,
and b y mid night the place w as hoppin' .
Cool club ( great graffiti!) Let' s hope it
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
n
I n
. ~ ; :
::. n n n
1
Lots happening on the tape front.
P TL KLU B have released a 7 - song d emo
( $2
. 25 to R D omenici/ 1 4 A P lympton St/
Wob urn MA 0 1 80 1 ) and plan a 7 " this
summer
. There are a few cassette comps
in the w orks. P SYCHO are w orking on
D ingleb erryStew . Band s, send stuff to
John Wolfe/ 1 3 7 Forest St #1 / Mald en MA
0 21 4 8. Joe G lassman is w orking on the
nex t in his series of Mother' s
Compilations. The ad d ress is Box 687 /
Rand olph MA 0 23 68. D an from D anzine,
in ad d ition to having a new issue
availab le, is also planning a comp
. Send
it off to 8 Bellevue Ave! Winchester MA
0 1 89 0
. Finally, my friend Erika is getting a
comp together, too, so send your
masterpiece to 21 Lincoln St/ N Easton
MA 0 23 5 6
. That should keep ' ya b usy for
a w hile.
On to a more serious matter for a
moment
. Some of the local skins aren' t
pleased w ith criticisms that have
appeared in local zines of some of their
actions, such as Nazi- saluting at gigs or
sw astika graffiti. Also, the infamous
"American Front" flyer, w hich w as
circulated around San Francisco and
serves as a "w arning" to anyone w ho think
d ifferently than the circulators ( punks,
hippies, anarchists, etc) , w as recently
d istrib uted at a Boston gig "as a joke" as
one person put it . A few comments- - if the
skins w ant unity, as they claim, w hy d o
they w ant to physically intimid ate anyone
w ho thinks d ifferently or looks d ifferently
from them? Isn' t some hypocricy inherent?
Also, instead of relying on physical
threats, w hich has no purpose and solves
nothing, w hy not engage in rational
conversation and d ialogue. I' m w illing to
listen and print such commentary in
Sub urb an Voice, as JNRR has d one in the
past
. Send your letters, comments,
complaints ( b ut no d eath threats, please)
to Al Quint! 1 3 P ortland St #7 / Lynn MA
0 1 9 0 2
Kind of a slow time for all- ages gigs
around here, b ut there' s still some
activity
. First off, Chris Carilli has taken
over D ave Smalley' s Frid ay afternoon
show on WZBC, renamed it "Alternative
Force", and is looking for b and s to send
material for airplay. The ad d ress is:
WZBC/ McElroy 1 0 7 / Boston College!
Chestnut Hill, MA 0 21 67 . Chris' show is
off to an ex cellent start.
Just w hen w e' d given up hope,
D YS' new alb um has finally hit the stores.
And their new d rummer is none other than
ex - SSD er Chris Foley. No w ord on w hat
the rest of SSD is up to . The FU ' s new
d rummer is Bonesy ( ex - BAD RISK) . In
other b and new s, b oth P SYCHO and cn
CANCEROU S G ROWTH' s new vinyl
=O
should b e out b y now , or so the pc
responsib le parties claim . Other new local W
vinyl of note is from hard pop heroes The
OU TLETS, The BLACKJACKS, and The
a
CHOIRBOYS, a good ' 7 7 - styled punk U
b and soon to split b ecause the guitarist is oa
getting married . But the other 2 0
CHOIRBOYS are rumored to b e forming a
U
b and w ith ex - JERRY' S KID Rockin' Bob > -
Cenci, so b e on the lookout for a
a
d evestating outfit there. The OU TLETS z
are temporarily out of commission d ue to 0
F
d rummer Walter injuring his hand . NO

3 _
SYSTEM has a new d rummer, D oug m H~" u

Oh yeah, Sub urb an

Voice
McKinnon.

$1
. 5 0 ppd for those interested .
Mc

rtos
G angG reen
NO
""~"
AO
1 9 85
Ak JSr
S aLr Law s- C rn' , U TAH
z D EtJvt. ' K, Co
3 ka- N) s' A5 G 1 T~/
L ~I LL ER
6 C H( }1
3 ~
P aG WE iL I- -
8 MINS) EFtP OLIS MN, 7
'
' St Eo- I
. , q
1 0 tskw e7 RT KY, hoc

C~J. B
1 1 CHIc. RClo EL
. Cuasy 1 3 ep- lik
1 2 Cover+B as 0 +1
1 3 D ETieor MicH :1 ocK C- t
i- y' '
1 y
ToeorJ- ro C4 NAvAr
1 6 C LEVELq
.
0 o 0 4 ,
C~~JpEtZE, 1 R& JD
1 .
. T I LLEIJT N P p,
FoR L iFo
. CoIJTx tc- r'
: CNU G K 6( ' 1
.
7 8. 7 - 0 Z`2
Lc C) K Fog. " Si( rTE TO HEl- L. " l- L " 7 " our L. , rrE. ' tNE
Sr4 S. SG o
is #1 5
s~ NE
Z8 BR~
O6,EPo ~
2T
GT,SHLDE
.Es
29 New) York
N C13UF3
s30.1 Vi RIN
1
tA

Ac , 7omfNtc's
3 G N
~
Zot_E. rr E TJ. C. , MI
n - ESTonJE
KIJox JlL1 E TN) .
c
~T t . A
P B &

M
E- r r zoP ~E~
6
C3 I4 TO1 \) 11 ov6, e
L- ~
.. H1 1 0
U si- o
T< , G 1 - 0 Z
lb ~Trt i RL
6U sTl h1 1 G on) TINENT' IL
CL- vel
c{ D b +LLr}- S
TX , ' f' u) I
~ - ' U l
rT
~ONt
1 1
1 L aQ. , NM
1 3
P tlo
EN ~
x , RR ~ 2,
~I"P U L_sE
' 1 5- -
2- o La
. P RER
22- x , 9 S
1 3 tr? P IKE:
3 1 R No, NJ
noticib ly w aned , b ut U . S
. CHAOS w ere clearly record ing and instead are going to California to
enjoying themselves
. Johnny Rotten w ould have record for BYO ; Jimmy G estapo w ants this long,
loved it. But think ; here is a lead er of our long aw aited first vinyl to b e just so . I feel sorry
community using violence to stop a b and from for anyone w ho d oesn' t get to see them on theiL
saying something on stage! Whether you think summer tour
. . . TOKEN ENTRY is remix ing a
Skully w as serious or not - he has not respond ed 1 0 - song LP . . . . U NJU ST' s vinyl, now LP , hold ing
to attempts to ask him - that attack w as goon for U .
squad censorship, an assault on the right of all

ROVING REP ORTERS

b and s to say w hat they w ant w hen they play on

Free #1 6 &1 7 are out,

send postage
stage.

Free speech cannot survive if fists are too Michael

Lerner, Box

67 7 8, Yorkville Sta. ,
allow ed to settle the issue: history has show n NYC 1 0 1 28 for BSU RFERS innt' w and
this again and again. Nazis and Communists and review s. . . Worthless #8 tallks ab out Kurt
tyrants since the d aw n of time have launched Vonnegut . . . Tse- Tse
Flv #3 is another ex cellent
goons against those w ho speak w hat they d islike, issue w ith D AMAG E and D ECRY, good ed itorial on
and w hen intimid ation has once prevailed . . . it is all hard core, new ad d ress
: 60 1 B Surf Ave. #1 7 L,
over for freed om . D isagree all you like, b ut w ord s Brooklyn NY 1 1 224 ; $
. 5 0 /1 6pp . . . BuII- Shit
at our gatherings must b e matched w ith w ord s, M o n t hi v #5 is 5 b ig pp for $. 3 0 w / AOF,
not violence. Id eas should b ring out other id eas AG RESSION, & lots more . .
. Crashing Waves #2 is
to oppose them, if they are misguid ed
. But to the SERVICE and a piece on D avid Johansen
; 6 x
escalate to violence is to d estroy the very yr for $5 from Christina Raw lins, Box
3 3 5 ,
freed oms w hich w e all cherish. Wood sid e NY 1 1 3 7 7 , incl
. cartoons and review s
. . . Heaven D ow n Here is $
. 5 0 for a
comprehensive
review ing of "alternative music", every 3 - 4
months from G reg Fasolino, Box 1 5 8, Mid d le
Village, NY 1 1 3 7 9
. . . Soorad icD roolings #2 is $1
ppd from D ave Burokas, Box 1 0 9 2, Kearny, NJ
0 7 0 3 2;

5 4

pp

of

review s

and

MIA,
ACCELERATORS, NILS, MAD P ARAD E and
CLAU D E COMA w / good photos
A "literary"
punkzine is Berserker #4 , $2 or 4 /$5 w / 5 6 pp
from Box 9 61 , No
. Eliz. Sta
. , Elizab eth, NJ
0 7 20 8; some good stuff in there, too.
THE SHOW
Apr. 27 , Rock Hotel at the World ' s End ,
overcapacity crow d of 1 7 0 0 or so
; TARG ET OF
D EMAND , AD RENALIN O . D . , REAG AN YOU TH,
D OA, D EAD KENNED YS
: fire marshalls stopped
the show d uring D OA'
s set b ut it resumed after
they left
. Nex t nite OK' s ptaayed
w ith the
BU TTHOLE SU RFERS, FALSE P ROP HETS,
SWANS, LIVE SKU LL
and ANTID AM, same place.
Love to tell you ab out it, b ut I' m out of space.
U se your imagination! - D onny the P unk, 23 3 E
3 rd St. #1 c
. NYC 1 0 0 0 9 ( 21 2) 9 82- 3 0 7 5 .
Zow ie of CFA

+tl
ra
"
I asked Jim Kontra , w ho appeared to b e
feelng a
few b eers, w hy he attacked Skully
. Said
the VIRU S singer, "He pissed me off
. . . l should d a
b roke his head
. . . We' re no hippies, w e' re gonna
take action
. We' re anarchists. "
Well, I guess I' m
puzzled ; I alw ays thought anarchists w ere in favor
of free speech
. But w e all make mistakes : the
point is to learn from them.
A 9 - CLU B BID
Hilly sez CB' s is d oing b enefits for itself
June 1 4 thru 1 6, w ith 2 d ays of punk
. . . G ood sign
at the Ritz
: punk aud iences w atch the action live
on stage instead of staring up at the huge vid eo
screens of the same scene, in contrast to many of
that club ' s usual new w avers
. Nice to know
someb od y still appreciates live rock . . . The Rock
Hotel has fix ed the b oys' room
; Chris Williamson
sez "never again!" to the World ' s End , w here the
tw o D K show s b rought the largest ind or crow d s in
a longtime, and w hich he b ooked
. More later on
that. .
. D anceteria hosted U LTRAVIOLENCE,
P SYCHOS and TOKEN ENTRY, a toot in the d oor
at that large club . . .
. The large and historic
P eppermint Lounge ex perienced slam- d ancing at
1 :4 3 a. m
. April 20 as the MINU TEMEN w ent to
w ork . the FALL and FOETU S
livened things up in this three- story club w ith
the stand ard vid eo screens everyw here and $1 2
w eekend ad mission. Ad d ress: 1 0 0 5 th Ave. at
1 8th St. I d o like the b alcony view there, if I' m not
d ancing. .
. MU RP HY' S LAW played at the P yramid
on Ave. A and several b and s w ere b ooked at the
No Say No spac on Irvington Street
. A promising
new and intimate club is The Sub w ay, w hse
entrance is b elow street level at the 63 rd St.
station on Queens Blvd . in mid - Queens
. Ed is
b ooking punk b and s, starting w ith ISM May 3 rd
and continuing w ith REAG AN YOU TH, ED G EIN' S
CAR,

The club hold s ab out 3 0 0 , charges

$4 .
6 ad mission, $2
. 5 0 for b eer, has a clean toilet
( w ith red flourescent lights to piss b y) , and w on' t
d o matinees b ecause of "violent kid s"
; also no
reentry
. No vid eos
; a lot of people recommend it
as a hangout on nites w hen no b and s are playing;
I can' t speak from ex perience on that.
OD D S AND END S
Lead ing punk rad io d i P at D uncan
survived an attempt to suspend him from the air
on the part of officials of U psala College, w hich

. i
hosts WFMU , so w e can b reathe a little easier .
Step
hen of FALSE P ROP HETS
The authorities have b een harassing P at rather
heavily in various w ays lately. .
. A new station
mainly heard in sub urb an Jersey is WJSV, 9 0
. 5
FM, Tues. 5 - 1 0 p . m .
: w rite D an X and And rew
Reich at 5 0 Early St
. , Morristow n, NJ 0 7 9 60
. . . A
fifth NYHC compilation is in the w orks from
Richard Manzi' s Western New York Record s.
Richard

sez

he' s

got

BAD

BRAINS,
U LTRAVIOLENCE, WARZONE, and TOKEN
ENTRY, cand id ly ad mits he know s very little ab out
the current punk scene b ut b elieves he can make
money selling hard core record s
. . . Johnny Stiff
sez he' s promoting half the show s of interest at
CB' s and RH
. . . Eleven ( count ' em) b and s played at
the CB' s b enefit for zine G uillotine May 1 9
; that
punk sponteneity isn' t d ead w as show n b y the
on- the - spot assemb lage of a new and impromptu
b and , w hich even played w ell, to fill some empty
time.
ROVING P ACKS
D AMAG E is record ing a new 1 4 - song LP
on Red Rid er. .
. New York' s one and only
MU RP HY' S LAW

scrapped their previous

EVER ONWARD !
Rapid grow th, w ith all of its opportunities
and prob lems, is characterizing the NYC scene
this spring. While CB' s remains the heart and
emotional center, the focus of the scene seems
to b e slow ly shifting into the larger club s, most
of w hom are now open to and d oing punk show s.
The crow d s are full of new faces, includ ing some
heavy metal crossovers and lots of new kid s
and some old faces not seen in a long time.
Informing these new people ab out the values of
punk w ill b e a formid ab le challenge! Fortunately,
the zine scene is flourishing now that w e need
them more than ever.
There w ill b e new opportunities for local
b and s this summer as so many of the lead ing
New York b and s go on tour and out- of tow ners
come in looking for support. These new b and s
are gaining follow ers and should give some of
the old er b and s something to think ab out.
With so many show s going on, the scene
is also getting more d iffuse, as few can afford to
see everyb od y. It'
s gotten to the point w here I
can no longer cover the scene myself and have
enlisted some local zine ed itors: Mike Bullshit,
Joe Britz ( Worthless) , and G ary Tse- Tse Fly, to
help

me

out . Speaking of help, I also need

photos and artw ork .

I haven' t seen so much

activity since ' 7 8!
G OONY BIRD S
One of the prob lems w hich must b e
faced is the presence and activity of goons in the
scene, and the w hole goon squad mentality
w hich can d estroy any scene if it is allow ed to
flourish
. I can d o no b etter than to quote w hat
Wattie of the EXP LOITED told me : "The punks
have got to stick together
. If they d on' t stop it
( goon squad b eatings) , it' s all over for them . "
Interesting that some of the voices w hich
most loud ly d enounced "Hallow e' en" for
sland ering people

on

the scene are

now
themselves spread ing sland ers. If there is
anything punx d etest, it is hypocrisy, and these
people
are hypocrits, w hether they realize it or
not . True, some of them say they are not punks
and not involved in punk rock . I suppose that
means hypocrisy is

okay in w hatever they

consid er "hard core"?
Note: some of our local goons have b een
employed as security d etail at CB' s and the Rock
Hotel - - neither Hilly nor Chris has paid much
attention to w ho gets hired , b ut ultimately it is
something they have responsib ility for and should
look at more closely.
FREE SP EECH
G oony thinking sometimes comes from
unex pected sources: The scene: the Rock Hotel,
April 1 4 , jammed to the rafters w ith over a
thousand fans come for CRO- MAG S, U . S.
CHAOS, U K SU BS and EXP LOITED . It' s after
mid night and U . S. CHAOS is on stage, having
just completed a memorab le singalong of their
anti w ar song, "Bits and P ieces" . Skully, singer
for this controversial b and , launches into a song
introd uction and says: "You w omen are all
scum- sucking pigs
. . . ex cept for a few . " From the
stairs a few feet aw ay from him I note he is
laughing. But an enraged James Kontra , lead
singer for rad anarchist- politically active b and
VIRU S, one of the most prominent vox men on the
scene, b ound s up onto the stage and attacks
Skully, fists flying b efore Jim gets throw n off!
Chaos on the floor as one skin w as throw ing
punches left and right, I could clearly see him
picking targets from my lofty perch
. Kontra is still
full of fight as he once again b oard s the stage and
attacks Skully. When the d ust clears, Skully tells
us he w as trying to get a reaction and then
b erates the crow d
. Aud ience enthusiasm has
NOWHERE, NY- We call our scene Now here _
b ecause w e are Now here
. The main places
e have show s are in the small city of _
P oughkeepsie and the even smaller tow n of _
Mahopac
. These places ex ist too far aw ay
from Alb any ( 2 hours) and New York City
( 1 hour) for us to consid er ourselves a
part of those scenes
. So, w ere content to_
just stay here and b ring the b and s to us.
Our show s are entirely non- profit, w ith all -
the proceed s going to the rental of the
hall and the b and s
. Myself and Chris _
G eiger of D . F . B . G
. ow n the P . A. ' s that
. .
are used at the show s, so w e d on' t have
to d ish out any ex tra b ucks for a sound
. .
system
. We try to keep the d oor price
around $5 , and w e have at least 4 b and s
. =
Very
often, one of our ow n b and s w ill play
for free.
J A S MO R AN

Vocal.
I aklw riting to give you some information ab out an up- and - coming
Band from Syracuse, N
. Y. , that is now on a nationw id e tour d espite having
no vinyl released . The name of"the b and is STILLBORN and here is their
story ab out themselves and their tour.
Stillb orn is comprised of vocalist Jas Moran, guitarist Keyth,
b assist U . S. Walsh, and d rummer Joe Miller . The b and w as formed in June
of 1 3 G A b y Jas and l :ytih, w ho w ere b oth in und erground Syracuse b and s
Before, d ISIOU S RU MOR and THE U NSOU ND respectively . The original Still-
b orn Bassist, P at McNamara, left soon after the b and started and w as re-
placed b y M. D . , lalsh. Joe Miller w as the guitarist for the CATATONICS,
and ne sat in on d rums ( an instrument he had never played b efore) at
several Stillb orn rehearsals and soon afterw ard s joined the b and perman-
ently .
Tne memb ers of Stillb orn w ere largely responsib le for the re-
organization of the Syracuse scone, w hich had d w ind led to practically
nothing for several years. Last year heyth, and 3 elvy d . ( d rummer for
the Ca' ta' tonics) , organized the AASiU M Nd EY CLJS, w hich w as going to ue
an all- ages hall for punk/hard core/alternative b and s to play regularly.
Jas and . . J. w ere pretty much financially responsib le for the clus,
w ile all four eand iaellb ers w orked constantly reperating the club in time
for its opening
. The opening night w as ex tremely successful, w hat w ith
a turnout of over 6J
; people w no cane to see a total of eight b anas, in-
clud ing Stilleorn' s d eb ut performance
. Incid entally, the b and w as formed
for the sole purpose of playing at the opening of the clue, Jut their en-
trlusiasu remaineu any they continued on after the club ' s closing b y the
Syracuse police ( on the same opening night) , d ue to a lack of city ord in-
ances. Tale
. acid , ionkey flub then b ecame RAIIS MONEY ?ROJU CTIaNS, w hich
hosted many hard core b and s such as D IE d ;EU - E, , , SECaND S, VERBAL- A3 U SE,
Y: ;' JT;i 3 RISAD E
. .
. Sand s as suer that had never b een seen in Syracuse b efore.
D espite the fact that tile Syracuse scene lad b een w ell estab -
lished , there w as internal friction Betw een meiab ers of the Rab id Monkey
organization, notab ly that. of heyth tine b elvy I . D issatisfied w ith all
of this, all of the me. iccrs of Stillb orn w ithd rew from , rab id iionkey P ro-
d uctions and eecid el to loos for greener pastures elsew
. iere. knot setter
w ay to w e this teen to go on tour?
It took several mantes, Jut after numerous phone calls and ex ten-
sive planning ( w iles, includ ed Joc'
s purchase of a van) , Stillb orn w as
read y to nit the need . They played three d ates in Connecticut, tw o in
P ililiecoipeia, hicemond , va . ( opening for ASJJSTIC F JNT) , Atlanta,
t' hre d otes in Florid a, tee uetss in ilouston, Tx . ( once w ill Agnostic
Front again) , and one in Austin, Tx . ( opening for P 3 ISO
;4 1 3 )
.
b asically
tee tour ekes b een going ex tremely w ell, w hat w ith meeting a lot of
helpful
supportive people and b and s. and the aud iences' positive reactions to the
Stillb orn sound and stage show . Their d estination is San Francisco, w here
they slope to release some vinyl . All they possess now is a tw o- song d emo
tape w ilichi w as record ed in Syracuse snortly b efore their d eparture.
Stillb orn plays all original material, w ith aaags= each as "Society'
Iratectors, " "Accusations, " "Face The
;Music, " "America. . . Love It Or D ie, "
etc
. Their sound is quite d ifferent from many other hard core aria thrash
sand s
. They have several ultra- fast songs, b ut quite a few are longer than
usual
. w ith trib al, tom- toll oriented d rums, chainsaw guitar, thumping b ass
lines, and pow erful b aritone vocals
. Tw o b and ' s focal point is Jas, w ho
possesses a very charismatic stage presence w ith his w ild ly erratic d ancing
and other such maniacal antics
. They are d efinitely a b and to w itness as
w ell as listening to their music.
At this w riting the b and are in Houston, trying to get themselves
cooked on the w est Coast
. They plan to b e in San Francisco in ab out three
acres one are hoping to get in contact w ith other b and s and people w ho
might b e interested in putting them on a record lab el
. Stillb orn has b e-
come the first Syracuse punk b and to go on tour, and hopefully other Syracus
nard core sand s w ill follow in their path
. If anyone is interested in receiv
ing a press hit of the b and , please w rite
St i llbor n/ 663 Fai r vi ew St / O ak land C A 9 4609
Speaking of w hich, w e have D EATH
FROM BAD G RAD ES and END P ROD U CT as-
the scene veterans. , D . F . B. G . have a new
b ass player and a new hard - ed ged -
mosh- thrash sound , as opposed to their
past "fun" style. My b and , END -
P ROD U CT, w ishes to leave it to the
. .
listener to classify us, b ut I' ll just say w e
put our hearts into our music
.
ABU SIVE -
ACTION, the youngest "Now here" b and ,
have their ow n original hard core sound
w hich alw ays proves to b e fun and Op
entertaining .

Lastly,

there' s REST

IN
P IECES, w ho play a complicated NY- style-
thrash . Rumor has it they' re looking to
ad opt a more metal approach . There are. .
also numerous spinoff b and s w hich can b e -
seen every once in a w hile. The only
record ings w e have to offer are ABU SIVE -
ACTION' s

1 4 song d emo and END

P ROD U CT' s 1 0 song d emo, b oth availab le_
for 5 3 each ( ad d ress at end of report) .
How ever, there are plans for a "From -
Now here" compilation EP . From Now here is
also a fanzine w hich should b e out in a
month or so
. Also, I' d like to end lessly
thank the Connecticut b and s and people
for their help w ith our show s, and The-
ED G E for mentioning us a few issues ago.
Thanks! Well, anyone w ho w ould like_
something, call ( 9 1 4 ) 628- 3 0 1 4 , or w rite:
Chris Miller/ 1 5 Sycamore Rd / Mahopac NY -
1 0 5 4 1 .
THAT HOWLING INFERNO
Chris Caron ( guitar) , Mike Shockley
( d rums) , Shaun Irons ( vocals) , James
Hovance ( b ass) . THAT HOWLING INFERNO
has b een around for ab out 6 months and
features Chris Caron ( ex - D
. C. b and
D EAD LINE) and one of the b est d rummers
I' ve ever seen. Thay have a very unique
stage style and I think the interview
pretty much ex plains their musical style.
You can contact them through me at the
ad d ress b elow .
MRR
: How w ould you d escrib e your music?
JAMES
: We' ve b een likened to many b and s,
b ut I think BAU HAU S is the name raised
most . We' re influenced b y all the b and s in
the d roning/minor chord school of music.
MRR : Shaun, ex plain your lyrics.
SHAU N : I b asically try to create images
and social ob servations. Some songs are a
b it on the gloomy sid e, b ut that' s b alanced
out b y songs that try to convey a sense of
hope. So, they' re more social and personal
than political.
MRR : Chris, how have your musical id eas
changed since your D EAD LINE d ays?
CHRIS: They' ve changed b ecause I' ve
changed .

My

musical

tastes

have
progressed from hard core to more complex
and sub tle song structures. The music I
listen to is energetic, not necessarily fast.
I also feel more comfortab le w ith w hat I' m
playing.
OCCAM' S RAZOR
Al

( guitar) ,

G lenn

( b ass) ,

D ana
( vocals) , Felicia ( d rums) . OCCAM' S
RAZOR have b een playing their very
original and d anceab le music for ab out 6
months now
. The b and contains 2 former
memb ers of RU D E AWAKENING ( Al &
G lenn) and their music can b e d escrib ed
as d riving punk w ith very intelligent
lyrics. You can contact them through me
at the ad d ress b elow .
MRR : How d id you find the name OCCAM' S
RAZOR and w hat d oes it mean?
D ANA
: I opened the d ictionary and Al
pointed to it . What it b asically means is
"cut out the b ullshit".
MRR : How d o you think the D elaw are
scene has changed since, say, last year?
AL : I think it has gotten a lot b igger now
w ith a lot more b and s and a lot more
younger kid s getting into it.
3 RD LEG
Jimmy G narler ( vocals) , Appauling
( b ass) , G onzo ( guitar) , Malib u Tod d ( lead
guitar) , Brian Backsid eair ( d rums t
french horn) , Julie Layb ackair ( b ones) ,
D ave Invert ( other guitars, percussion,
b ack- up vocals)
. 3 RD LEG , D elaw are' s
premier skate b and , has b een around for
almost a year now , playing their very
humorous and original b rand of music that
they d escrib e as "heavy skate- core" . They
have a d emo tape out and Jim and D ave
put out a great skatezine called Spunk
that' s a must for all skaters and w annab e
skaters
. It' s 5 0 C and a stamp and you can
contact them at
:

1 20 Wilb ur St B- 4 /
New ark D E 1 9 7 1 1 .
MRR
: Jim, tell us ab out that ' 7 7 punk that
w as hassling you at Stud ent Center Night.
JIM : Oh yeah, he w as harrasing Heid i, so
I called him a gleb e and he threatened to
kick my ass and called me "one of those
new skate punks" . I w ish these Sid clone
w annab es w ould w ake up and realize it' s
1 9 85 not 1 9 7 7 .
MRR : D escrib e your music.
AP P AU LING : We try to imitate the sound
of a giant praying mantis eating Toyotas
on the New Jersey Turnpike at 4 in the
morning.
MRR : Jim, tell us ab out your zine.
JIM
: It covers the b est hard core and skate
action in D elaw are and nex t to G uid e To
Insanity, it' s G od .
YOU R WORST NIG HTMARE
Finally, the new est b and around is
the b and I play b ass in. We have a
numb er of musical influences, ranging from
thrash/hard core to ska/reggae, and w e
play out as often as possib le
. Our lyrics
are mostly political, b ut w e also have some
personal songs. We are also the youngest
b and around , as w e are all still in high
school . I w ould like to note that the b and s
make very little money, if any at all, b utw l
d on' t think it matters much since w e' re
getting our point across and having fun
d oing it!
Kurt Beers/ 1 0 3 Mulb erry Rd / New ark D E
1 9 7 1 1
4
I A A
I 4~
AAAIAIII . ~ ~ L I.L k a l ~ ~ uul
z0t ) I N
I M P A C T
RR WHA INSP IRED YOU TO COVER "G ONZO"?
STEVE & SCOTT: Ted Nugent
; w e liked him for
years. It' s our roots.
STEVE: We d id n' t know each other at the time b ut
w e w ere all into it. We met up and found out w e
had these similar interests. We met through
skating. The b and grew out of friend ships.
MRR : SO, ARE YOU INFLU ENCED BY A LOT OF
HEAVY METAL?
STEVE
: Only the rad b and s!
SCOTT
: Yeah. . . KISS.
MRR : D O THE LYRICS REP RESENT THE WHOLE
BAND OR ARE THEY MOSTLY FROM YOU ,

MITCH?

MITCH
: Everyone w rites them . All of our thinking,
L
ust w hoever has the w ord s.
MEID : If w e all d id n' t agree, I d on' tr think w e' d d o
the son.
NEW SONG
SIA'
. E CT TEE THINGS TOO SAY ARE RIGHT
DREAM',S DON'T HAPPEN OVER NIGHT
PUT PAR T. CO WHAT MARES THAT TRUE
IS PESSIMISTIC SHITS LIF E YOU
PESSIAISTIC SHIT YOU'RE F ULL OF IT
I'M F ': CF IN' SICK OF HEARIN' IT
D"R"
T
ELL ME THAT THING: JUST CAN'T PE
THE Tr INGS WE'LL NOVE. , EVER SEE
SC ERYB:
; JUST TJINK THAT WE CIULC DC IT
AND YOU AND I WILL SEE TC IT
INSTEAD OF SITTIN' 'ROUND SAYIN' WHAT F OR
BECAUSE TOGETE. G WE COULD DC SC MUCH MORE
1 1 1 1
1 1 1 1 1 1
1 1 1 \ \
1 1 1 1 1
1 1 1 \ 1
\ \ \ \ \
\ \ \ \ \
1\\\\\\\III/I III
Pr r1\\\1\\\Nl
. /
4
A
A
/1 1 1 1 '
1 1 1 1 1 '
/1 1 1 1 '
~ 1 1 1 1
' ~~
1 1 1 1 1 '
r
1 1 1 1 ' "'a"
1 1 1 1 1 1 \ 1 1 \ 1
\ I FI ~ ~ I/I ~
IIIII1111'
1
A
1
l
Ijiniri~aic><m~ n~urn~rrrrY
Imo~ l ~ ~ 1 1 ~ ~ ~ 1 1 . t1 1 1 I I /III /
. . IA\I . t

~ k..1 .1 L L1~4 4 4
11111
11111
11111
11111
1 1 1 1 1
1 1 1 1 \
. 1 1 1 1 \
1 1 1 1 1
I \ \ \ \
1 \\\\
IIII
>i//II
FI //II
//I/
IIII
= :
; IIII
; 11/I
SU D D EN IMP ACT have b een together for
approx imately one year and have played many
local show s, opened up for touring b and s and
have travelled to Montreal and other cities and
tow ns in Eastern Canad a. SU D D EN IMP ACT is:
Mitch G arvin ( vocals, Chainsaw ) , Reid English
( guitar) , Steve Milo ( b ass) , and Scott Fraser
( d rums) . They are all very supportive of the local
scene in Toronto . For information and their
"Freaked Out" cassette ( $3 pp) , w rite to : 3 Stuart
Ave/ Willow d ale, Ont/ Canad a M2N 1 A9 . This
interview took place just b efore they got the
crow d heated up for the U NWANTED . Oh yeah,
their cassette has 1 0 intense songs on it so go
Er
it, now!
R: WHATDOY OU GUY S DOWHEN Y OU "GET
UP OFF Y OURASSES", BESIDES MUSIC?
SCOTT: Besides music. . . ) don't know. Work,
skateboard.
MRR : What kind of w ork d o you d o?
SCOTT: I w ork in a factory, really lousy w ork,
making w hirlpool b ath tub s.
REID : I go to school . I take art, graphics.
MRR : YOU D ID THE T- SHIRTS FOR "D IRECT
ACTION"?
REID : Well, I d id the d esign; I d o some d esigns for
b and s.
STEAM LOAF S
TUTHl TO LIVETHELIE.
SUBMIT TC F OOLISH DREAMS
ACCEPT SOMEONES WELL PLANNED SCHEMES
TC' CRUSH NT HEAD WIT' DECEPTION
ONLY I. . . AYH: 5 A F AI SE REF LECTION
I'M LIVING LIF E Sr CAREF REE
IF I LET IT THINGS WILL '; ET THE PEST rF ME
CAN'T KEEP IT OF F MT MIND
MITCH : I skate and w ork at a b ike shop.
MRR : AND SEARCH ALL NIG HT FOR P LACES TO
SKATE?
MITCH : Yeah ( laughter) , I look for places to
skate, helped b uild a ramp and play
music. . . What d o you d o, Steve?
SCOTT: Yeah, that' s w hat w e' d all like to know !
D o you have a job now ?
STEVE : I might have a job .
SCOTT: Tell the truth!
STEVE: Well, I haven' t b een to w ork for a w hile
. I
b icycle a lot. I b icycle everyw here
. I live in a
small tow n w here you can rid e from one end of
tow n to the other . It' s New market, not L
. A. I also
skate and put out a tine called Rash.
MRR : IS IT A SKATEZINE?
STEVE: No, it' s everything
; it' s w hatever I w ant to
put in it.
r
RR
: D O OU WORK THE SAME WAY
MU SICALLY?
SCOTT
: No, Reid w rites most of the music, all the
music.
MRR
: WELL, YOU R G U ITAR SING S TO ME. D O
YOU THINK HARD CORE OR P U NK HAS SET
RU LES FOLLOWED BY KID S AT SHOWS? D O
YOU SEE THAT HAP P ENING IN TORONTO?
. . .
THE TYP ICAL "P U NK ROCKER".
MITCH : Yeah, a lot of kid s are that
w ay.
MRR : D O YOU THINK ANYTHING COU LD OR
SHOU LD BE D ONE ABOU T IT?
STEVE: Nothing
. You can' t tell people how to act
unless you force them
. A lot of people are
stereotypical w hen they first get into it
. But more
and more they realize. .
. You see people on the
scene w ho act so cool or thrash so b ad
. But then
they b ecome friend ly
. There w ill alw ays b e that
b unch of "cool" people. I ' ust think it' s there.
MRR : WHAT KIND OF " RG ES FROM EACH OF
YOU , MU SICALLY, EMOTIONALLY, OR
ARTISTICALLY?
SCOTT: I like to play fast . We all pretty w ell agree
on the music. But w e also have a lot of slow
choruses, slow things d ow n sometimes. Make it
interesting.
REID : Is that a quote from our song "Bent OK", b y
any chance?
MRR : YEAH.
STEVE: Then let' s talk ab out the song. It w as from
pressure, just b uild ing to that pressure for a
w hile. That' s a b ad thing, and w hen it releases,
it' s too much pent up aggression. That' s w hat it' s
ab out . So, forget it man, just b e yourself.
SCOTT: The song w as w ritten ab out b eing
straight- ed ge too, and not w anting to b e
straight- ed ge b ut b eing S. E. cuz it' s "the thing to
d o" and then b low ing up cuz you w anted to get
d runk or something.
STEVE: Know ing that you w anted to b e S. E. , you
liked the id ea, b ut d eep d ow n insid e it w asn' t for
you . You just had to let loose and go w ild
sometimes. G o over the ed ge for your ow n sanity,
you had to have that.
MITCH : Those are the urges that b uild up to
inspire that song.
MRR : IF YOU HAD A G ROU P OF P EOP LE THAT
WEREN' T "P ESSIMISTIC SHITS", AND YOU ARE
ALL TOG ETHER . YOU ' D BE D OING SOMETHING
BESID ES JU ST HANG ING OU T. WHAT WOU LD
THAT BE?
STEVE: Well, right now I' m just d oing w hat I w ant
to d o . Try to stay out of troub le. The question w as
ab out the song "New Song" . I think people
should feel free to d o w hat they w ant in life. It
may not b e the route that' s set out for you, or one
that you are ex pected to follow b y society
. You
can live w ithout having a job . It' s not easy and
takes a lot of cooperation amongst friend s. , b ut
w hatever you w ant to d o, you' ve just got to d o itl
It' s a positive thinking song. When you say ypu
can' t d o something, w ell, you ob viously can' t d o
it . That' s how I feel.
MRR : SO, SU D D EN IMP ACT practice
ind ivid ualism.
REID : YEAH, pretty w ell, yeah.
MRR : WHAT MAKES SU D D EN IMP ACT" A
"SU D D EN IMP ACT"?
SCOTT: Reid just thought up the name and w e
liked it.
MRR : IT SAYS, IN THE SONG , "WE' RE A SU D D EN
IMP ACT".
ALL : We are a "sud d en impact" ; w e' re the b and .
STEVE: The music may b e a sud d en impact for
people w ho like this kind of music.
REID : You can relate it to a lot of things, like
d eath.
STEVE: D o you w ant to grow old and end up In a
mental institution or an old folks home, or jump off
a 1 0 story b uild ing? We are not really suicid al.
It' s a funb song, b ut w e mean it.
MRR : WHAT IRECTION WOU LD YOU LIKE TO
P ROG RESS MU SICALLY?
REID : Could get a b it more interesting. Not
necessarily tow ard s heavy metal, b ut more
pow erful and arranged b etter . But not going too
far in the d irection of either hard core or heavy
metal . Make something d ifferent.
STEVE: Energy is the key w ord . Making energy.
1 1 1 1
1 1 1 1
1 1 1 1
1 1 1 1
1 1 1 1
1 1 1 1 1 1 WI///IIIIIII
1
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 '
1 1 1 1 1
\\\\\ TAE W6dcIT ON YOUR SHCGLDERS IS HEAVY
\\\\

YOU'VE PEEN SUPPRESSING TOUR F EELINGS F OR TOC LONG

\\\\\ YOUR SICK CF ACTING THE RIGHT WAY
WHAT'S WRONG F OR YOU IS RIGHT F OR THEM

E.
IT'S TIE SAME THING ALL OVER AGAIN
PUT THIS TIME IT'S IN A DIF F ERENT WAY
YOUR LIPS'G STILL CONTROLED IT OTHERS RULES
SO
F ORGET IT MAN AND BE YOUR SELF
kAAA
Y OU NO LONGER KNOW WHICH WAY TO GO
TCU'SE MINDS AT WAR WITH ITSELF

I
I,
Y 'DU
OUR NKCONE
Y OUR NOW
PAR MAN
T
LOST EALL CONTR OL
IIII. ~
\\~ ~ ~
1\11111/111//1/ /I
THESE URGE'S INSIDE YOU GROW AND GROW
TILL ONE DAY IT HAPPEN'S YOU EXPLODE
F IRF. TE. NDING THAT TOO BELONG
WHY THE HELL DO YOU HAVE THAT MASK ON
PENT C r

`
i
t
I
L
1 1 1 1
1 1 1 1
' 1 1 1 '
;1 1 1 1
1 1 1 1
( 1 1 1
'1 1 1 ,
'1 1 1 '
1 1 1
1 1 1 1
1 1 1 1
:1 1 1
44
444
I I I /:
1111
.III.
/11.
444,
AI)
lll,

IIII
Illl1)' ,

//II
+444
1 //II
111 1
'III 11111'Ir ~ ~
rrrrrr
~
i111111111
' ~
7Irrr r ~ III1111111111vI/IIII
I
TOUR SCHEDULE
0
N
JUNE 10KAMLOOPS BC

s
11 EDMONTONAlta

%n
)0, N
12CALGARY Alta
13REGINA

o
u m
14 WINNIPEG Mtba

on
16 MINNEAPOLISMN

o
17 GREENBAY WI

E
18 CHAMPAIGNIL

i s
22ATLANTA GA

o
23

ASHEVILLENCskatefest

n
26 RICHMOND VA

o o
27 GAINESVILLEFL
28 ST PETERSBURG FL

~' n r
29 ORLANDO FL

ro
30JACKSONVILLEFL

m<
JULY 3

COLUMBUSOH

rt.
2
2
SDETROIT MI

m
6 TORONTO Ont

o r
7 MONTREALQue

0
8 QUEBIC CITY

^
12NORTHAMPTONMA
13BOSTONMA

c
A o
18 CHICAGO IL
21 CLEVELAND OH
MORE TO COME:
for info, call ( 5 0 4 ) 5 23 - 4 5 9 3
RAWP OWER need s help w ith transportation.
If you' ve got a car, call the info numb er.
rxracrco- :::::ra:;;>x.,:a;;o:: x:: :.F;::+wxr.x,:x.:~:;.:xuta.nxca.
T H E M A GA ZI N E:
Ret ur ni ng 84- page double i s s ue #7 /8, feat ur i ng:
SO N I C YO U T H , SA M H A I N , SWA N S, BI G BLA C K ,
VELVET U N DERGRO U N D, SC I EN T I ST S, N I C K C A VE,
WH I T E BO Y, and plent y m or e.
Featured contrib utors:
STEVE ALBINI, BYRON COLEY, CHRIS D
. , JAD
FAIR, M. G IRA, JIMMY JOHNSON, LYD IA LU NCH,
TESCO VEE, HOWARD WU ELFING ,
and more.
Send $2. 5 0 postpaid .
T H E LA BEL: Fi r s t Releas e
SO N I C YO U T H li ve 7 " 45
"M ak i ng t he N at ur e Sc ene/I K i lled C hr i s t gau"
li m i t ed edi t i on of 1 000
Send $3 . 00 pos t pai d
PoSSTELSTION
s end t o: FO RC ED EX P O SU RE
7 1 9 Was hi ngt on St
. #1 7 2
N ew t onvi li e, M A 021 60
This is the first report I' ve w ritten tor
w hat' s ' MRR, b ut I' d like to let you know
happening here in Lima, P eru . Since last
year a new movement has started in our
city. This movement is mad e up of punk
b and s ( such as LEU ZEMIA, NARCOSIS,
ESCU ELA CERRAD A, G U ERRILLA
U RBANA, KOLA ROCK, AU TOP SIA, and
VALIU M) , people that make fanzines
( Alternativa, c/o Fernand o Vial, Ave. P etit
Thovars 4 221 , ( D pto) 4 0 1 , Miraflores ( 1 8) ,
Lima, P eru) , painters, and friend s. We are
not many, mayb e 5 0 more or less, b ut w e
w ork very close together. We are not
punks; this is not a punk movement. We
have a punk attitud e and an anarchist
attitud e tow ard s the system, b ut w e are
not punks b ecause our reality is d ifferent
from a punk' s reality in another country.
In our group, there are people from all
social classes, d iffering realities, b ut a
feeling of reb elling against any pow er
ab ove us unites us . We reb el too against
b and s that imitate, against b and s that sing
in English here, and in general, reb el
against anything that is not authentic or
that is med iocre. We are joined b y a true
feeling of honesty, of authenticity . I put
emphasis on the statement that w e are not
punks b ecause the people that go to the
concerts and the people from the med ia call
us punks. For ex ample, in a recent
00
O R
Fl p
r epb de (N us en c am i no

'i i
~u

c on Juan ps blo yer elvm 0

~~ I '1
. .
w ell- know n magazine, it said : "P unks Vs.
P olice", mentioning a concert in w hich the
police interrupted a b and in the mid d le of
a song b ecause the cops felt the lyrics
FC O t
1,oibvs.8
lw t
w ere "sub versive and insulting" . The
lyrics ( in part) read : "D irty policemen,
you act for convenience, you d efend the
d eclining society, you ab use authority
b ecause you' ve got a gun in the other
hand
. " That concert end ed w ith gunshots,
and w e had to escape.
Our b and ,

G U ERRILLA U RBANA,
played that show , as d id NARCOSIS ( w ho
w ere interrupted . They have a
self- prod uced cassette out, a first for
P eru) . Our b and , along w ith LEU ZEMIA,
AU TOP SIA, and ESCU ELA CERRAD A are
going to d o the same. Our movement is
grow ing fast now , and I' m sure that w ithin .
a year it is going to b e b ig. My goal, like
the other guys' goals, is to create and live
in an autonomous and anarchist community
w here personal relations can b e authentic.
This is not impossib le, and can b e reached
b y hard w ork, b eing lucid , and w ith
unity.
The flyer reprod uced here is called
"Fosa Comun", w hich signifies a d eep hole
in the ground w here sold iers put the d ead
"terrorists", and the "Terrorists" d o the
same w ith the sold iers they kill . This
happens b ecause our country is in the
mid st of a civil w ar.
Jose Ed uard o Matute/ Avenid a D el P arque
Sur 3 9 8/ Corpac, San Isid ro/ Lima, P eru.
5SONG 711 EPOUT NOW
$ 2.50
POSTPAID TSHIRTS$ 5
.50-
4645
NAMBA WAY SALT LAKE. CITY
UTAH
84107
(801)
532- 6592
SUMMr . TOUR BOOKING
a TFO
~jJ
Our reaction w as to d emonstrate, at
the place w here city authorities meet . We
w anted to know w hy the place w as
d eclared unsafe at the last minute. While
en route to city hall ( 3 0 of us) , w e w ere
stopped b y plainclothes cops, hand
searched , and all out- of- tow ners w ere
taken to the police station. The cops mad e
out 6 FVO' s, b ut the place w as full of
screaming punx , so they tore up 2 of
them . The people w ho got b anned w ere:
Syd Migx ( singer of my b and , CHEETAH
CHROME MOTHERFU CKERS) , Beo ( singer
for WARD OG S) , and P atty ( his lover) ,
and P azzia ( a friend )
. You should
rememb er that all these people w ere
w orking at the club , not to mention that
Syd has lived his entire life in this city.
That means w e w ere ab le to prove that all
these people w ere w orking and not living
b y crime.
a
a b ig stereo b lared out contimuously the
message "G imme yer ID !", "Everything is
controlled ", and "D on' t you feel stupid
d ressed that w ay, punk?" This lasted for
ab out half an hour
. P lainclothes cops w ere
in the crow d , b ut this time they had to
b ite their lips and d o nothing b ecause this
w as passive . Around the tent there w as
an ex po show ing w hy w e w ere striking.
So w hat w ill happen to these 4
people? It' s hard to say
. We' re taking the
cops to court to prove that the FVO' s w ere
unw arranted
. Some of us hope to get
someone in P aliament speak ab out it
. What
people have to d o is w rite to those w ho
are b anned
. They live in Lucca, w hich is
b y far the most fascist city in central Italy
( they can' t even leave their houses w ithout
b eing b eaten b y cops)
. Sp please support
them b y w riting to
: 4 FVO/ c/o Stefano
Bertolucci/ Via P isana 3 / S
. D onato/ 5 5 1 0 0
Lucca/ Italy.
What is FVO? it' s currently the w id est
used law in Italy. We all know how often
cops stop people and take notes ab out
them for w hat they call "plain control",
and w hat w e call "total control" . Well, it
may seem incred ib le, b ut the police here
have the pow er to d ecid e w ho can live in a
certain city. If you can' t prove you' re
w orking or stud ying, then the assumption
is you' re living b y b eing a criminal, and
so you b etter scram cuz you' re
"d angerous" . The FVO is the piece of
paper w hich b ans you from a certain place
for 3 years. If you return to that city,
you risk up to three years in jail if
caught.
How d oes all this apply to us? Well,
w e all knew that Victor Charlie ( our
club /center) w as in troub le w ith the
authorities, b ut d ecid ed that w e should
keep d oing gigs so that people from all
over Italy w ould have a meeting place, and
w e could continue to create a united front
against everyd ay oppression . The club got
closed d ow n, so w e rented a place to put
on show s. One Sund ay w e had a gig
planned , even had police permission, so w e
w orked all w eek preparing for it, spend ing
all our money and energy. But the d ay
b efore the show , the police "w arned " us
that the place w as no longer Availab le.
"Why?", w e asked . "Because the place is
not safe" . Not safe? Any place that' s used
b y punx isn' t safe! So, w e d ecid ed to
ignore this, and put the gig on b ack in
our old club , Victor Charlie. Ab out 8 :3 0
P M, ab out 5 0 cops shut d ow n the show ,
and fined us ab out 2
Immed iately, w e d ecid ed to d o
something. We installed a tent right in the
heart of the d ow ntow n and started a
hunger strike to protest this. We collected
money to make people
aw are of w hat w as
happening to punks. Three of us struck
for 1 4 d ays ( Tetano- d rummer of
LANCIAFIAMME, Ninni of Bari, and D od a-
a found er of Victor Charlie. The strike
culminated w ith a performance put on b y
the guys from V. C. P eople pretend ing to
b e cops stopped passerb ys and asked for
ID ' s; others imitated the typical Italian
family sucked in b y TV; others w alked
around covered w ith FVO' s. ln the meantime,
, f? t) I

' i al. . eV-

FE;r'~ PI 1t1
a P 4t

4
i`cwts etY i*
FfKAtb4are
. . a
,etsi,,t Om, tsaNrparekajT, 4Gt
~ : a'i dF
. Ufl4fN1'h r`t~ rw zarvrrA
~ : s a >r
tr

its--
d~ lte
.AiC Hera t arJ
a+3F3aet, iN:. at' 'MtMMA
(4F$
44wte+F4
as
4 ;t, i/t4 aaa t*art' s N4 1 A
. .. Fi na
A' cwt't
eA Ei sf

au . 4ti +t+4~
=saa/e
sra xttu
tiaNiKitIALC Ai tif6ittAW4
ht PitasfVr

i4
yFt~ l'trttwesif=
'
a
* a''r44z
twoe"
ive4ki8t G. SGarT%x -
~' fhti )P,A, AMY
. N2 Q+bf4"c Hs:g
~
usc
~ t`tnt+r,
;f$ i-AaSE
946.
,, ;r
~ Ptr~ &~ '; FS~ }tt k~
i
GJ rrA iA +
1

iP C3 Cb ' ;, 6hitP S3 P t
E ,grt,R
. !P'
tW
? IS1RurroRA-E/f
o5
1
IOMF
The fate of Victor Charlie lies in how
much strength w e can gather
. We' ll try to
open a b rand new place. You can b e sure
that w e
w on' t just leave our hand s in our
pockets . - - w e never have!! Thanx for
your attention and support.
Antonio Cecchi/ CCM/ Via Veneto 5 / 5 61 0 0
P isa/ Italy
P . S. Some musical new s
: We at G D HC have
started an ind ie lab el called Belfagor
Record s
. The first releases are CCM' s
Furious P arty EP , P U TRID FEVER EP , I
REFU SE IT EP ( personally, the b est thing
I' ve heard in a w hile) , and CHAIN
REACTION EP
. We w ould also like to
release d omestically record s b y foreign
b and s
. Everyone interested should send
samples to me soon. Because w e' re a
new b orn lab el, w e d o not have a lot of
money
. But d istrib utors should contact us
too, b ecause w e w ant to sw ap Italian
record s for foreign record s so that Italian
kid s can hear more foreign b and s ( it' s
pretty hard to get U . S. record s here) .
Also, anyone w anting to tour Europe and
Italy should contact us
. Thanks to the
trailb lazing of MD C and TOXIC REASONS
and YOU TH BRIG AD E, there is now
something like an alternative circuit all
over the Continent . In every country
there is someb od y w ho is d oing their b est
to arrange tours for b and s. Finally, our
zine, G D HC, is up to the third issue. It' s
the only zine here to come out regularly,
and can give b and s the b est Italian
ex posure
. Band s and lab els: send ad s or
samples to b e review ed and get airplay.
Contrib utors w ill receive free copies . So,
everyb od y, WRITE! Thanx to all w ho
b elieve in the international scene
.
WO RLD
T O U R 85
June 20- - INDIANAPOLIS,IN

July3- - TALLAHASSEE,FL
June 21- - LEXINGTON,KY

July4- - TA PA,FL
June 22- - CINCINNATI,OH

July5MIAMI . FL
June 26- ICIOXVILLE,TN

July6- - ORLANDO,FL
June 27- - NASHVILLE,TN

July7- - GAINESVILLE,
FL
June 28MEMPHIS,TN

July10- SAVANNAH,GA
June 29- - LAFAYETTE,LA

July"1ATHENS,GA
June 30- N7
.W ORLEANS,LA

July12ATLANTA
. 3A
July1JACI
:,SON,MI

July14- RALEIGH,NC
July2PENSACOLA,FL

MOREDATESTO BEANNOUNCED
FOR BOOKING INFORMATION,CONTACT JILL (416)844- 6597
CHAOS U . K
. - "Short Sharp Shock
" LP

se
. tion in time- w e are confid ent its got a good one.
AOAI
Who are they trying to con' S track 1 2"
At the time of making this Ad the AOA 1 2" w as not
yet out . How ever if it has managed to hit the review s
STU P ID S - "Violent Nun" EP
Incred ib le thrash from the U
. K
. , w ithout even n
trace of the
trad itional U
. K . sound
. Sonic mayhem, quick and vib rant w ith
great vocals and split second attacks, enough to b e one of the
b est NG
releases in ages
. P ecks the punches like the original
D ischord releases d id - - it' s that Insanely good
. Stick on Sid e
A, '
Elephant Man" scorches d ow n the eight- song attack.
Ex cellent
. ( P us)
( C. O . R . Record s
. ENG LAND )
Yo to Chaos and the gang
. This alb um tears me flesh sw ay
and send s shivers up the spine as that raw unrelenting sound
of CHAOS U . K
. squeeres me b rain b oggen in sheer utter
d elight
. Even though this is a new line- up ( ex cept Chaos on
b ass) , the intensity and d rive that charges forth is mayherniL
insanity
. In all of the punk glob e, only
2 b and s ex ist w ho put
forth this b urly sound and b oth are from the same tow n
. Yea,
its great! ( P us)
( Child ren of the Revolution, d ist
. Cartel)
/
CHILD REN OF THE
REVOLU TION RECORD S
BOX 3 3 3
1 1 0 C I M I X EN I I A M
RI ) , B
RI ST 01 ,,I JK
.
SEND 1 IRC ( Europe) or 2( U S/Others) for full
mail ord er list.
Other countries-Japan,Australia etc,add on 55c per LP & 15c per EP
for higher postage.
MAIL ORD ER LIST
CHAOS UK-US $6,Europe i4
; UK 2 . 50 ; Others US-$6 . 50
AOA-US $5,Europe

2,Others US$5 . 50
STUPIDS-US $2 . 50,Europe l
. 40,UK 1,Others-US$2 . 75
ALL P RICES INCLU D E P OST AND P ACKING .
NOCU RRENCYS OTHER THAN U S D OLLARS ANB P OU ND S STERLING ACCEP TED
U NLESS AN AD D ITIONAL 5 0 p EQU IVALENT IS AD D ED FOR BANK CHARG ES
INTERNATIONAL HONEY ORD ERS P REFERRED
.
!
Stop b eating me up w ith your b aseb all
b ats, hammers and rolling pins . It really
hurts! I sw ear to god that I w on' t w rite a
single w ord ab out Chaos P rod uctions ( even
if their European skunk comp LP , Chaos
In Europe, w ill b e out b y the time you
read this) , nor ab out New Wave Record s
and Fanzine or Bunker Record s,
associations, b and s and people I alread y
d ropped a line ab out in b ack issues of
MRR . You w ant "new b lood "? You' re gonna
get it! Sub mitting to the pressure of my
b oiling w ind , I d ecid ed to reveal to the
w orld 3 of the up- and - coming b and s w ho' ll
soon haunt your tape/record player . First,
none of them is from P aris- - the provinces
strike again!! Back in #22, I end ed the
report telling you that one of the b and s to
w atch for w as VERD U N . More than ever, it
w as truely said .
b rutality, corruption of justice, the P ope
( Vad e Retro P apam!) b ecause the Church
is too rich compared to so much misery,
and isn' t inspired b y god b ut b y money. "
OK, so tell us a b it ab out your songs:
L' Heure D uchaos: "Chaos time is pretty
near . When it arrives, scores w ill b e
settled
. For the oppressed , it w ill b e a
time of vengeance, revenge, and this
mystical hour w ill ring the knell of this
outd ated w orld . We' ll b e the "new
b arb arians. "
Les G eoles Repub licaines : "This song d eals
w ith the monstrosity of jail cells and their
guard s, collab orators of the mid d le class
prosecutors. The d ay w ill come w hen
jailers w ill suffer w hat they' ve inflicted .
P unks w ill b e their ex ecutioners
. "
Verd un ( and the "Veterans" cult) : "The
name ' Verd un" has a symb olic meaning.
For the army and nationalists, it' s the
symb ol of heroic sacrifice for one' s
country. But in fact, it' s a b ound less
slaughter, a useless killing to satisfy the
prid e of a fistful of fanatic visionaries and
the prosperity of the armaments ind ustry.
The w ar of conquest to support capitalism
in crisis. To spit on the symb ol of Verd un
is to spit on murd erers in uniform and on
monuments ex hib iting, w ithout any shame,
the list of fools gone w ith a flow er in their
rifles. It' s a provocation! We laugh seeing
these monkeys and old farts. We hate
generals and morons w ho b elieve in them.
We w on' t forget that the "Veterans" are
the instigators of Fascism . Italy has given
the "Fascio" and Mussolini, G ermany has
given the "Toten- kopfen" and Hitler, and
France has given "Les Croix d e feu", "La
d ivision Charlemange", P etain, Laval, and
D arnand ' s militias. Together, they put the
w orld to fire and sw ord . Millions of d ead
people and shattered lives: IS THIS
ALLOWABLE? When w e see these
b lockhead s getting upset every Novemb er
1 1 th and ad miring the Armed Forces on
July 1 4 th, w e still hesitate: D O WE HAVE
TO LAU G H OR CRY?"
So, w hat d o you think ab out that,
chaps? I mean, their w ay and sub jects of
thinking? It' s quite an interesting
alternative to the b oring and repetitive
"Fuck government", "Anti- nukes", "No
WWIII" stuff, isn' t it? VERD U N is a b and
w ith guts, id eals, personal thoughts- - not
a stereotypical punk b and . They' ve got
energy to share, not only on stage, b ut
from people to people. Of course their gigs
are unb elieveab le. They use make- up, b ut
it' s not another KISS- style b and , b ut
they' re a reflection of our ugliness, mental
ugliness
. "Kill the b utchers of the w ind
( psychiatrists) , kill the b utchers simply.
;, enerals, cops, and the list goes on. . . No
god , no master, unite and fight our
oppressors" is their final message. For
info, w rite to : VERD U N / c/o P ascal
Martin/ 22 Rue A. France/ 7 60 0 0 Rouen/
France. Send $3 and 2 IRC' s for their
5 - song d emo ( may have an EP in
forthcoming months) .
It seems to b e pretty d ifficult now to
w rite ab out the other 2 b and s, b ut it
d oesn' t matter b ud d ies: RAP T and FINAL
BLAST aren' t the kind of b and s that are
ashamed at not b eing up to the others.
They' ve got a lot to say too.
RAP T is a b rand new "trash/noise"
( w hat a lab el!) b and , formed in the
b eginning of ' 85 . "We w ere d reaming ab out
this b and for 2 years and finally tw o
friend s of ours agreed to join to play
hard core. The present line up is: Olivier
( vocals 5 screams) , J . F
. ( b ass) , Tib
( d rums) , and P hil Lee Roy ( guitar) .
Musically, w e haven' t had any prob lems
b ecause w e know how to play. " Musically,
ha ha! How can I d escrib e them? Well,
first, I' d say that a punk b and influenced
b y punk gives a HC b and ; a HC b and
influenced b y HC gives a thrash b and ; a
VERD U N is from Rouen ( the city that
gave the D OG S to rock 8 roll freaks, and
more recently the VERMINES) and formed
in 1 9 82. After a few notew orthy gigs,
causes for scand als, fights, etc. , they
w ere more or less b anned from almost
every club in the area, so they d ecid ed to
split up . But they got b ack together in
Octob er of ' 83 w ith the present line- up:
Eva ( vocals) , Kurt ( d rums) , Jean- Luc
( guitar) , and Karl 9 0 0 0 ( b ass) . They' ll
w ait until D ecemb er to come out from the
gutter w ith "1 6 craft- b omb s read y to b low
up in the face of collab orators from every
country" . Ab out their unusual aspect, it is
often said they sound like the
P LASMATICS, and it' s true that Eva d oes
remind me of Wend y O . Williams in her
singing style. They' ve got metallic guitar
pow er though, the kind that b low s you
against w alls. But w hat ab out their lyrics?
"To speak ab out our lyrics, w ell, they
d eal w ith human rights. We' re informing
ab out the terrorism of the state, the
political/financial

scand als,

police
"r ~F "F
band ...,
F *
ge
RCT,
"Our
*
i
i**t***$*`F*$***
coltatin Ito .s several
_

projects
influences are taken from all kind s of
overspeed b and s, like LARM, D R I, SP
CAOS, SIEG E. . . Also, b and s in a more HC
style like U ND ERAG E, BG K, RIISTETYT,
and pow er metal like SLAYER, D ARK
ANG EL . . . " And right! Each of their songs
is a b listering massacre of metallic noise,
tearing your skin aw ay, making your ears
piss streams of b lood , all of this
surround ed b y hopeless screams coming
straight from the soul of a b urned - alive
b od y ( P lagarism! P lagarism! This sound s
like one of my review s! P us) . "We d o care
ab out sub jects like the situation of people
living in repressive countries, like South
Africa, w ar, torture, fascist politics, and
every ab use
of people over people, " The
b and isn' t their only b usiness: "Our goal
is, first of all, to d evelop the hard core
movement in France and w orld w id e
. "
You' re not alone friend ! So, Olivier and
J . F . and the tw o former memb ers of the
b and have set up a tape lab el called
D eflagration
. They' ve alread y put out 4
international thrash comp tapes and are
w orking on a national comp tape "w ith the
b est French killer b and s. " D eflagration is
a zine too
. The first issue came out in
April and is w ritten in English, so feel to
send info, material ab out your b and , etc.
"Our tape lab el and zine are b ased on a
non- commercial and anti- fascist b asis . So,
fascist b and s- - d on' t b other to w rite. We
w on' t answ er you!" These guys are d ying
to trad e tapes w ith all of you from
everyw here in the w orld , so d on' t hesitate
to get in touch w ith them . Write to:
Olivier D ignac/ 3 8 Allee Circulaire/ 27 20 0
Vernon/ France. . . or J. F
. Marc/ 3 8 Rue
d u P arc/ 27 20 0 Vernon/ France. For a
copy of the RAP T d emp tape, send a b lank
tape and 2 !RC' s) .
The memb ers of RAP T have really good
relations w ith FINAL BLAST, even if the
tw o b and s d o live 4 0 0 kms aw ay
from one
another
. In fact, they' re all close friend s,
pARA0 uhkn
tie t

v
o
M
t
' w U U at
w
heaTyil
ns w ho
e
th
IIOLD g

ou
The p

ow

y fOF
oorlP rneYa
ARA
yll
SITES
uy
!
cute
If YRE
o

hee ant
ches is y
ar
oee
our Their fair sP

money
Bu

w
KEE
OU R NAIVENESS, THEY
TAKE BENEFIT FROM
If you say "
yes" to a politic party
You' re sucked b y parasites
They earn I0 times more than you d o
Your prob lems, they
d on' t care ab out
CHORUS
When you put your voting- paper in q
oe
In their pockets, that' s more b ucks
You can vote for w hoever
you w ant
A
government w ill w in
EA RC H
&
DEST RO
The original, und iluted magazine that the others
copied . We still have a few of the 1 9 7 7 - 7 8 issues
left
. They contain incend iary interview s and pas-
sionate photographs
. Corrosiveminimalist d oc-
umentation of the only youth reb ellion of the
seventies: punk rock ; the philosophy and cul-
ture,
b efore the mass med ia takeover and
inevitab le cloning. ( Issues #1 , 5 and 1 0 are only
availab le in the complete set. )
H' #1 - - The first issue, a collector
' s item . Not availab le.
#2- - D evo . Clash. Ramones
. Iggy. Weird os, P atti
Smith. Vivienne Westw ood . Avengers
. D ils
. etc
. $3 . 5 0
#3 D evo . D amned
. P atti Smith. Avengers. Tom
Verlaine. Beefheart . Blond ie
. Resid ents, Alternative TV
on Throb b ing G ristle. etc. $3 . 5 0
1
#4 Iggy
. D ead Boys, Bob b y D eath, Jord an & the
Ants. Mumps
. Metal U rb ain. Helen Wheels, Sham 69 .
P atti Smith
. $3
. 5 0
[ . H
#5 Sex P istols. Nico . Crisis
. Screamers. Suicid e,
Crime. Talking Head s. Anarchy. Surrealism & New
Wave
. Not availab le.
' #6Throb b ing G ristle. Clash. Nico . Talking
Head s. P ere U b u
. Nuns. U XA. Negative Trend .
Mutants. Sleepers. Buzzcocks. $3 . 5 0
r #7 John Waters. D evi) . D NA. Cab aret Voltaire.
Roky Erickson
. Clash. Amos P oe. Offs. Vermilion and
more
. $3 . 5 0
#8Mutants. D ils. Cramps. D evo . Sioux sie,
Chrome. P ere U b u . Jud y Nylon & P atti P allad in. Fle-
sheaters. Offs. Weird os, etc. $3 . 5 0
#9 D ead Kenned ys. Rockab illy Reb els. X, Win-
ston Tong. D avid Lynch ( Eraserhead ) . Television. P ere
U b u . D OA. etc. $5
#1 OJ. G . Ballard . William S. Burroughs. The Fee-
d erz. P lugz. X. Russ Meyer . Steve Jones. Mad D og.
Target. and more. Not availab le.
#1 1 The all photo supplement . Black and White.
$5
Add 51 .00 to each for overseas air mail.
SEA RC H &
DEST RO Y: I N C O M P LET E
SET :
For $1 5 w e ar e offer i ng all t he S&Ds
EX C EP T N os . 1 . 5 . & 1 0
. O ver s eas ai r $30.
SEA RC H & DEST RO Y: C O M P LET E SET :
T hes e ar e EX T REM ELY RA RE (about 1 3 s et s
left ) . A c ollec t or
'
s i t em . $1 00 . O ver s eas ai r $1 1 0.
M A K E YO U R C H EC K O U T T O :
RE/SEA RC H P ubli c at i ons
20 Rom olo St
. , A pt . B
San Fr anc i s c o, C A 9 41 33
(41 5) 362- 1 465
Amount
Name
Ad d ress
near future ( gigs, tapes, etc . )
. FINAL
BLAST is a pretty young b and ( 1 6f years
old average) , formed b y Zoize ( b ass) , Rod
( guitar) , D issoplast ( d rums) , and Bouth
( vocals) , and have b een together since
late ' 84 . They alread y have had several
gigs to their cred it . "The prevailing tone
though is pretty b ad
. There are only 1 0
people w ho like the music w e play d ow n
here ( in P ontarlier, a small tow n in the
mid d le- east of France) and most of the
gigs are taking place in b ig venues w ith a
thin and unenthusiastic aud ience. That' s
w hy w e prefer to play aw ay from here. "
Their music is melod ic HC w ith not too
much originality. Their lyrics are a b it
generic too, b ut they' ve certainly got a lot
of time to improve. "Sure w e play HC
b ecause it' s w hat w e' re listening to.
D ISCHARG E is the strongest influence.
Ab out the lyrics, w e speak ab out w ar,
army, anti- nationalism
. In France there are
just a few b and s w ho are concerned ab out
these sub jects. D on' t b e fooled . But, in
fact, w e' re d ealing w ith mostly w hat w e
live and learn
. " For FINAL BLAST' s d emo
tape, send a b lank tape and 2 IRC' s to:
Francois Bouthiaux / Leg G ranges Narb oz/
25 3 0 0 P ontfarlier/ France.
Note: In the b eginning of June, a
French punk festival is sched uled in D ijon,
set up b y Kir Split, a new association.
VERD U N, RAP T, FINAL BLAST, and
HEIMAT- LOS, among others, w ill
participate. For more info, w rite: Kir
Split/ 7 Rue Buffon/ 21 0 0 0 D ijon/ France.
P
. S. I' d like to thank all the b and s for
the info, photos, etc
. , especially Olivier
( RAP T) , Rak and
P ascal Martin
( VERD U N) . Special thanks to VERD U N
b ecause they make my b lood
pressure go
higher every time I play their tape
. I
suffer to d eath and I like it!
G erard Miltzine/ 23 Bd
. Mal Leclerc/
3 80 0 0
G renob le/ France
K LO A K EN S A
. A . S.
c /o Blom gvi s t
K var ngat an 9
54500 T O REBO DA
C
y

05061 05 53
CO

.
army t e, torture, etc
. e also have a lot nazis and troub lemakers around too . They
of satirical songs, just to have fun w ith
. think it' s fun to have pow er, to b e a nazi,
the pub lic. It' s kind of serious fun
. . . w e, to b eat up people. Those trend skins try to
d estroy it for all of us. But, as I said ,
most kid s are b eing creative, making
fanzines, lots of interesting b and s.
MRR : MRR : D OES THE P U NK SCENE G ET
ANY COVERAG E IN THE MED IA?
MRR
: THE SONG "P SYKISKT INSTABIL"AK : The med ia is not a very b ig help . In
D EALS WITH A FRIEND ' S FATE
. WHAT' S ' 7 7 , every b ig paper had articles ab out
THE STORY BEHIND IT? punk . When the fashion d ied and the true
AK : He w as
a child and had some punks w ere left, they stopped find ing it
prob lems
. The social w orkers and interesting. We used to have a great rad io
psychiatrists started w atching his life
. He show , "Ny Vag", w here lots of b and s got
w ent to reformatories, special schools, etc. their chances, b ut it got closed d ow n. Now
it' s up to the fanzines to keep the spirit
alive, to b ring up new b and s.
MRR : IS THERE A BIG D IFFERENCE
BETWEEN RICH AND P OOR IN SWED EN?
P OLICE P ROBLEMS? WHAT' S YOU R
CU LTU RE LIKE?
AK : Sw ed en is much like any other
country. I think people have this
impression of Sw d en as polar b ears on the
streets, year- around snow , and lots of
horny girls. We have a government that
alw ays lies, like everyw here else. We have
a king that ex ists for pub lic relations. We
have law s like everyw here else, ex cept
that they w rite new law s and silly rules
every d ay. When you are 1 6, you can b e
put in prison if you b reak a law . When
you are 1 8 you can d rive a car. When you
are 1 9 - 20 you have a right to kill and
learn it from the army recruiters
. When
you are 21 you can b uy b ooze . When you
are 21 you can d o all of this: d rive your
car d runk and run over people just for
fun and go to prison. The ord inary Sw ed e
w orks in a factory or office, d rives a
Volvo, and has 2 kid s that hate him . He
complains ab out everything b ut d oes
nothing ab out it. His home is his castle;
m

aeN

g
r
MRR : WHAT' S THE LINE- U P ?
AK : ASTA KASK are: Boona ( plays guitar
and vocals. He is the b and clow n) ; Bjurre
( plays d rums. The b and ' s only mohican
.

need to have fun in the mid st of all this

He' s kind of a perfectionist, and a

d epression
. Mike or Boona w rite them,
mathematical genius) ; Ernie ( plays b ass

then take it d ow n into our cellar and play

and is a vegetarian. Everything he d oes

it
. Then each of us puts in a little of
end s up a complete mess
. U nlucky Ernie) ;

ourselves.
and Mike ( plays guitar and vocals. The
only memb er left from the start in 7 8- 7 9 .
He runs Kloakens A A S) .
MRR : HOW LONG HAS THE BAND BEEN
AROU ND AND WHAT RECORD ING S D O
YOU HAVE?
AK : We' ve b een around since ' 7 8, b ut the
current line- up has ex isted since ' 82
.

His w hole life w as in their papers

. IVs a
We' ve put out 3 EP ' s so far, and are

true and sad story. We managed to help

w orking on a fourth record , a 1 2" max i- EP

him, and the sad d est thing is that there' s

w ith 8 or 9 tracks. P lus, w e are w orking

nothing w rong w ith him

. Its how the
on an alternative ex periment cassette called

government d oes things . .

"ASTA KASK With A Bod y Like Mickey MRR : MIKE, YOU RU N KLOAKENS
Mouse"
. ALTERNATIVE ANTISTU D IO . D O YOU
MRR : WHAT' S MORE IMP ORTANT FOR MAKE A LIVING D OING THAT?
YOU , THE MU SIC OR THE LYRICS?

AK
: This project is seperate from ASTA
AK : It' s 5 0 /5 0
. The lyrics should b e really

KASK . It' s an alternative to the ex persive

important for a punk b and . But I w ould n' t

b ig stud ios- - proof that any garage b and

w ant to listen to the lyrics is someb od y

can d o their ow n record ing. I b egan in ' 7 8

played on a motorsaw or d rill
. We use our

w ith simple tape record ers, small mix ers,

lyrics to attack things w e d on' t like, and

etc. After five years, it almost looks like a

w e w ant people to react, b ut you have to

regular stud io . The "Anti" is now the

make them listen.

price. I usually make the b and s' d emos for

MRR
: MU SICAL INFLU ENCES?

free, or 1 /3 of w hat it costs me. I d o that

AK
: We have many, b ut w e try not to

for fun and to help new b and s start off.

copy

them :

D ISCHARD G E,

STU P ID S,

In ' 83 , w e b egan to w ork on record s,

G . B. H . , CRASS, D AMNED , SU BHU MS, and

b esid es tapes. In the last few years, I' ve

almost all old ' 7 7 punk . From the U . S. ,

d one

1 0 0 - 1 5 0 b and s,

includ ing

punk
it' s BAD BRAINS, D K' s, RAMONES, and a

b and s, HC, HM, Rock, P op, etc. . . b ut

lot of interesting HC b and s.

From

mostly it' s punk & HC b ecause that' s w hat

G ermany
: U P RIG HT CITIZENS, SLIME,

I play myself . Ob viously, since I d o this

ARTLESS, RAllIA, BLU T+EISEN, etc. ,

at a loss, I' m not making a living off it.

and lots of other international b and s .

MRR
: WHAT D O YOU THINK IS THE
MRR
: WHAT SU BJECTS D O YOU COVER IN G ENERAL ATTITU D E OF P U NKS IN
LYRICS?

SWED EN?
AK : We w rite ab out things w e d on' t like,

AK : Most Sw ed ish punx are active, fun, his w orst enemy is his neighb or.
such as racism, nationalism, governments, and friend ly . But there are those creeping ' ' IMIKEL1 1 W
n111"

1 11
IIII11=111111111 II
SWITZERLAND - Another scream from the
land of cheese and chocolate
. There' s not
much to talk ab out ex cept those few b ut
remarkab le things that have happened
lately. It might b e w orth comparing this
report w ith the ones b y U rs in previous
issues of MRR.
First, gigs around here have
quieted d ow n; i. e. , more of a "stick
1 together" atmosphere, less fights and
violence
. ( Sure, some quarrels still take
place, b ut not like it used to happen) .
Now , for more specific things
. SLY
I and MISCAST b roke up
. What a pity, for
b oth w ere great b and s w ith melod ic and
energetic songs! SYSTEM, a mid - tempo HC
b and from Winterthur ( w here SLY' s from,
too) still have no practice space. Although
they make a lotta chaos d uring a gig,
I
they' re rather an honest b and . THE
SQU IRT haven' t b een seen for a long time.
They may have b een one of the b est Sw iss
core since the famous CRAZY
. Those guys
from Zurich w ere really cool and they
refused to w ear a "punk uniform", w hich
d id n' t make them too popular w ithin the
I
Sw iss scene
. Oh, gosh, w hat hard ocres!
Anyw ay, try to get their hypergreat tape

from

U eli

Klee/

Heinrichstr .

7 8/80 0 5
Zurich/ Sw itzerland .
Also from Zurich is G NAT. They' re
a hip b and , half male, half female. Their
sound is w ay ex tra. If you w ant to give it
I
a listen, send a b lank tape to Roland
Williner/ Kanzleistr
. 1 60 / 80 0 4 Zurich.
BU LLWIX, the young b and from
the Alps, w ent into a stud io to record a
I tape
. So d id NERVENG AS, a cool group
from the valley of the U pper Rhine. The
I
master tape may end up on vinyl
. They
I
are prob ab ly the most eastern Sw iss b and ,
I
and the funny thing is the singer is only
seen w hen they have a show , the d rummer
is English, and hard ly ever talks, the
'
b ass player is often too d runk to talk, and
the guitar player is mostly misund erstood
b ecause of his d ialect
. I guess it' s w orth
I
contacting them at D ani Caprez/ Ringstr

I 81 /

7 0 0 1 Churl Sw itzerland
.

Another
eastern Sw iss b and in THE BOILED
STANLEYS, from Rohrschach, a tow n on
'
the shore of Lake Constance and - typical
for this area - they are one of those "no
w e are not punx " type b and s
. But they' re
good to listen to . I lost their ad d ress, b ut
since they refuse to d o "real HC punk", it
d oesn' t matter.
I~
D ow n the River Rhine you w ill reach
Schaffhausen ( yeah!) , w here I live. This
tow n is not situated on the Rhine- fall, as
many tourists think ( Neuhausen is!) , b ut
Nh and Sh are b uilt together, so it seems
to b e our tow n. The kid s of our scene
meet in Schaffhausen' s d ow ntow n, a nice
place w ith b uild ings from the 1 5 th Century
up to Renaissance style. The scene here
( and the Sw iss scene in general) is
d ivid ed into 2 parts
. One consists of the
people w ho spend their time d rinking and
d rugging. They get so fucked up that
they d on' t any longer know w hat they' re
d oing or w hy- - or even that they' re punks.
I' ve lost some cool friend s that w ay, and it
hurts. Fortunately, there' s another part:
thinking people, active, energetic, and
w illing to spend time and money to keep
the scene alive. Congratulations to all the
kid s all over the w orld w ho read this and
are concerned ! There are a satisfying
numb er of people here w ho either play in a
b and , run a zine, or put on show s
. But
the netw ork of these three activities d oes
not w ork w ell . I think that' s b ecause too
often things d on' t go farther than the id ea
b ehind it . The short life of a b and is an
ex ample. The ex pensive costs of renting a
stud io is another . That' s w hy so few
record s or tapes of Sw iss b and s ever get
released , even though there' s a pretty
large numb er of b and s. The id ea for a
Sw iss BYO ( MRR #20 ) is a good id ea, b ut
the netw ork isn' t tight enough, and
Steril/Aponow seem not to see that . I
think the Steril kid and U rs are sometimes
left alone w it their good spirit b ecause of
some of their crazy id eas, b ut they are
b oth among the most active Sw iss punks.
Oops, I' ve d igressed from
Schaffhausen
. Around the end of w inter,
tw o new b and s w ere set up . EHNIX, three
b eer d rinkers and one still- uncorrupted
kid , w ent into a b asement and came out
w ith the noise they ex orcized for 2
months
. For the d emo, w rite Stephan
Winiger/ Bahnhofstr 60 / 820 1
Schaffhausen/ Sw itzerland . They also put
out D er D umme Au9 uscht zine. There are
several other Sh zines around , and you
can ord er them either through the ab ove
ad d ress or through me. So, the other
b and is that 4 - man gang w here I try to
sing ( scream) , D IE LILLI MARLEEN
BAND E. "Love, it saves, it hurts" is our
lead ing sub ject matter, b ut the aud ience at
our d eb ut d id n' t take great notice
( prob ab ly b ecause I only had lyrics for 2
songs, the rest b eing "b lah, b lah, b lah"
language! He He! Some people said the
show on stage looked like I w as singing
ab out w ar, d estruction, anarchy, etc. I
guess our message d id n' t get across.
Hmmm .
So, that' s w hat' s b een happening lately.
Now w e are w aiting for gigs and , ab ove
all, our hilarious "Rhine Beach P arties".
P unx from all over the w orld , if you ever
come to Schaffhausen, contact us
. Mayb e
w e' ll b e at home. Well, this report is b ut a
little stone on the Matterhorn, b ut
hopefully it show s that w e' re not all cheese
and chocolate
. Here are a few more
ad d resses

that

might

prove useful:
Sensenmann ( d istrib utor and zine) / c/o
Rob i Zollinger/ Herschmettlen/ 8626
Ottikon/ Sw itz
; D er Vertrieb ( d istrib utor
of record s) / c/o Soilent/ P . O . Box 1 4 6/
80 4 0 Zurich/ Sw itz
; Calypso Now
( d istrib utor of tapes) / P
. O . Box 1 2/ 25 0 3
Biel/ Sw itz; R . F
. Record s/ Alb isstr 1 1 1 /
80 3 8 Zurich/ Sw itz . As far as zines, see
the list U rs pub lished in his reports.
There is a new one
: Skunk/ c/o Jogi
Neufeld / Alte Land str 9 2/ 9 4 4 5 Reb stein/
SG ? Sw itz. All Sw iss zines are in G erman,
though mayb e someone w ill get the id ea to
d o one in English ( I w on' t
; I' m too lazy!) ,
or you' ll just have to learn G erman
. So, at
last, my ad d ress. I run the T. P . K
. zine
( it still ex ists!) , if anyone w ants to have
their stuff review ed or their b and
interview ed
. I w ant to d o it as personal as
possib le. G reetings and many thanks to all
I have b ecome acquainted w ith through my
zine and through the b and s I' ve joined and
through punk overall
. And a "fuck you" to
all that haven' t w ritten b ack . P lus, a lot
of ex cuses to to all w ho I haven' t sent
T . P . K
. #4 to, b ecause it' s not out yet!.
Later, Ralph Wiegand t/ Hauentalstr 80 /
820 0 Schaffhausen/ Sw itzerland .
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
TOKYO- What? Cherry from ZOU O is in the
States w ith HALF LIFE!? G reat! This sort
of thing w ill help cement the b ond of punk
across the P acific
. There' s quite enough
foreigners here in Japan playing alread y.
J
Let' s see
. . . w e'
ve got LIFE LIKE MOD ELS,
w hose memb ers are b oth American and
British, b ut they' re too "noo w ave" for my
tastes
. I' m not too sure if JU NK SCHIZO
or KIKIG U RU SHI are still around
. Both
these b and s have American memb ers in the
lineup
. I ran into BRAIN D AMAG E a w hile
L
b ack, w ith an American singer w ho w ants
to quit cause they' re too posi- punk, he
J
says
. I' m a Yank still d rumming in NO
LIP , b ut the latest b and w ith b lue eyes is
WHITE HELL, a rather metal- influenced
foursome that w ill have a single out soon.
The previous singer had to go b ack to
New Zealand for a w hile, so w e gave him a
b ig jam session of a party to say farew ell;
L
tw enty musicians taking turns b etw een
b eers, Ha! The d rummer, Richard , is
American, b ut can' t speak Japanese and
w ent to a Japanese high school
. Singing
J
now is another halfy who
can speak and
read
bothlanguages fluently.
J
KENJI has b een gigging ab out lately,
too, almost nostalgia w ith their pre- ' 7 7
rock & roll
. Same w ith G ENBAKU
ONANIZU . I saw them in Tokyo and the
E
singer just moves every w hich w ay at the
h
I

L I B1

same time. Sound s like Hard Core? No,

I
this group' s more in the RAMONES vein to
AD K Record s is planning anew comp
LP , w ith TRASH, QOP , LIP CREAM, me
. Oh yeah, The LOOD S played out at
BLOOD VERI, NO LIP , and others
. This CLASH or BU ZZCOCKS.

seems t
the same gig, sound ing a b it
like
like
their
B
w ill, how ever, b e the first time TRASHr

w
previous d rummer r w as s fired and is now

+ has record ed anything in their 2- year

w ith ZOLG E.
And QOP w as formed b y

.
OK, b iggest new s I have to offer this
h
ex - EXECU TE d rummer

uro
. He quit a month is that G ISM d id not b reak up! ! !
long ass time ago . By a ie w ay, I' ve b een
L
Whew new gigs planned and new songs

[ put in charge of collecting b and s for an

record ed , the pow erful G ISM is b ack . Look

international comp LP , and I' m still looking

for interview soon.

for b and s ( hint hint)

so if you w ant to ,
reach an aud ience in Japan, send me your
d emo tapes, OK? All letters get answ ered ,
provid ed the postal service gets them to
me . ( see ad d ress at end ) .
Ad d ress time! If you w rite to AD K
Record s, d on' t ex pect a reply unless you
w rite in Japanese cause Tam d on' t speak
English for shit . Kazuo Tamura/ 20 7
Koyama Sou/ 1 - 20 - 7 Kita Otsuka/
Toshima- ku Tokyo T 1 7 0 / Japan
. OK, I
know I told you all I' d he moving soon,
b ut a small financial crisis has d elayed it
for a w hile, so you can w rite to me, send
d emo tapes, etc
. , at : Roger Armstrong/
Hi- City Honancho #20 1 / 2- 1 1 - 1 0
Horinouchi/ Suginami- ku/ Tokyo T1 66/
Japan. Bye!
1
looking for a new guitarist, since Kazushi
is now permanently w ith TRASH
. Mauri
( d rums) has left ABU RAD AKO and is now
w ith LAU G HIN NOSE
. He' s the most
talented d rummer I' ve ever seen, and make
L . N
. sound 1 0 0 %b etter, not that they
A "manzi" not a sw astika
I-
1 , 1 HI H I h
OK, in MRR #23 , Janet Alit had a b it of
new s as to the origin of the Nazi sw astika.

Here is a pic of the original symb ol

. See

I haven' t b een to too many gigs lately,

how it' s b ackw ard s and on horizontal and
b ut for w hat it' s w orth, here' s a quick

vertical lines? Written this w ay, it stand s

run d ow n on some good ones. JANKY, four

t
for life and happiness
. Quite the opposite

r
jerky kid s from Yokohama, played some

of w hat it w as perverted into meaning, eh?

crunching metal core at a gig a w hile

Onto other things

. The CLAY are

b ack At the same gig w ere D EAD LESS .

MU SS and BONES. D EAD LESS MU SS struck
me as fairly good , straightforw ard HC w ith
just enough chord changes to make it
enjoyab le. BONES, on the other hand ,
w ere a b it repetitive, almost b oring. But I

L need ed to sound b etter anyw ay

. Hire

still had a good time skanking ab out, w ith

_ none of the b illy club s G io reported ab out
not sure
has
w hich.

quit or w as fired , I' m

eTier. In fact, I w ould n' t go to the point

. All I d o know is that the

of saying they suck either, cause it w asn' t

1
G AU ZE are actively seeking a new

all that b ad - - just not very o

d rummer
. New groups on the scene are I

T 1 T 1
NEW ROTEEKA, w hom I haven' t heard yet,
. .
. and P ILED RIVER
. Its rumored that Bear
Bomb ( b ass) has left G HOU L to join
P ILED RIVER, b ut I haven' t verified that
yet . L J
BARBED
WIRE -
BVILT
Tv cvnl
ONE'
WAY TRIP " TO' aocDY
s REPS
Eg0M
t /c .

~. n
m
Ki
"H ERE S N o M I 5T A K I A I
. r QU
A t
~
/'T 'Y
/5
SoN&LP
0VT
NoW ONL ucflA L iBRr 1 e 4 i95
P
I St I(IK(ITED S

1MPrRr4ivr
RoV,N TR/PDF
. ,
, TOXIC SHOG/C, 3yST6AIRTY G MO
MID /4I prii
r.
&vc//4
L I1 3PE
R cot o5
'obox

NEWyoRrc, gEw
yo[K

/ &o oQ ;(
.21 2) 673
. 0/x''!
r
O
C
70
EACH PACKAGE
MILL INCLUDE
THE
F OLLOWMG:

f
*REAM.
(2) TAPES,(1) NORTH,(1)
SOUTH,
ON EITHER

yam ,
A 60or 90mi n . TAPE!
(depends on amount of
of musi c submi tted!!!

A
.
A 20+ PAGE BOOKLET W
/LYRICS,PICS,and
OTHER
BAND
INF O !

3
Oy
BANDSFROM ALL OVERTHECOUNTRYWELCOMETD
PARTICIPA'lE,JUST PICK
WHO YOUWANT TO PLAY
WITH (northor south)
WALLY 1
4)3 S
EAVER
PO
. BOX 39275
NORTHBRIDbE COKT
. STA.
CU ARL ESTON,
S. C
2
soy
'Hone.: 4a
3) S
yi
-3'
IMAR Q
4
(OR
E
I .T. A
TAPES
ALL BANDS W}
SUBMIT MUSIC, WILL OFCOURSE
RECEIVEFREETAPES!!!
SEND ALL TAPES,VINYL,LYRICS,BAND INFO orIF'
YOU WOULD LIKEMOREINFO WRITEOR CALL

. . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . .
.
. . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
.
.
. . . . . . .
ZERO BOY S

Now that w e have your interest,

For information or b ooking, please call

the original b and Mark, P aul, Tufty,

3 1 7 - 25 7 - 3 7 22 b etw een 1 2 and 6 p

. m
. ,

and Terry are planning a U . S. tour for

Mond ay- Saturd ay.

the first few w eeks of Septemb er.
Official ZERO Boys
T- shirts availab le, Yellow shirt, 3 - color, like first alb um
$8. 0 0 prepaid to:
Never
be
lemon
6308
GUILFORD AVE,
Ind ianapolis, IN 4 6220
Look for new ZERO BOYS EP
out soon.
P . S. Band s that w ant to play
Ind iana, please contact us,
Bill Levin
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
.
. . . .
. . . .
. .
. .
. .
. .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
M I B7 1 01 1 S. . . w ho ar e t hee I I 'hs r e Wd t hey t om e
fr om ? N ow m any
c or e (lor e? H ow m any or e her e
now ?
. Ww r e do t hey yr e? What at t he yac c us ed of?
M ho m ad,- les s c lpr ges ? O ld t he L Wed St at us
Gover r vnenl blQW M V Ser e hem ? M at has C on-
gr es s done abodr ' BS ?
M ho b pm s ec ufng t hor n?
H ow m any t r i als dap ,1 1 s M ? What k i nd? What I s
happeni ng t o t hes i s
I i ?
Ws s
c an s ou do? Whi c h
I nc lM duok , M N 1 c h n m N O /t s gi m p you c ont ac t ?
What r es our c e

pr e avai lablef
- j' . y
Abua
. 'fi ne
2i u
LIlroo0000
CHARLES R . ALLEN, JR.
Recipient of Public S ervice
Award
Charles R Allen. Jr is the internationally pub lished author . journalist . ed itor and
lecturer Once the youngest senior ed itor of America' s old est w eekly magazine, The
Nation d uring the 1 9 5 0 s. he is now a contrib uting ed itor of TheChurchman a non-
d enominational monthly found ed in 1 80 4 and the country' s old est ex tant period ical.
He is the author of nine b ooks and more than 5 5 0 b y- hnetl articles in magazines the
w orld over his materials have appeared in six anthologies Among the new spapers
w hich nave carried his b y- line are The Washington P ost . New sd ay. The Los Angeles
Times. The Chicago D aily New s. The Miami New s and The P hilad elphia Bulletin.
His w orks- - concerned primarily w ith racism . anti- Semitism and fascismhave
b een caller ' b rilliant- and "pow erful b y various critics includ ing nine Nob el P rize
Laureates includ ing Bertrand Russell . Alb ert Einstein. Thomas Mann and Linus
P acing
As a result of his 1 9 63 w ork Nazi War Criminals Among U s and his sub sequent
w ritings toe med ia have called him
-
America' s preeminent authority on Nazi w ar
criminals living in the U nited States
In 1 9 7 8 he testified as an ex pert w itness on Nazi w ar criminals b efore the Jud iciary
Committee of the U S House of Representatives
In 1 9 81 . he issued a w id ely acclaimed hand b ook titled "Nazi War Criminals in America Facts

Action-
w hich w as b road ly received b y
the med ia and numerous community civic, lab or and ethnic groups
Mr Allen is presently finishing a large volume America' s Nazi War Criminals : A History, A D ocumentation and An Ind ictment.
He is also a consultant to and appears on numerous rad io and TVprograms includ ing ABC- TVa Close- U p series. NBC sT atlas Show
ABC s G ood Morning America as w ell as The D avid Susskind Show and Ted Turners CNN ' Cab le New s Netw ork) w hich have reached
scores of millions of view ers b oth here and ab road Several European treatments on the issue of Nazi w ar criminals and terrorists have
featured Mr Alien includ ing BBC and G renad a TV' s prize- w inning "Alive and Well In The U SA ( 1 9 80 ) and "G uns To The Right' 1 1 9 81 ) as
w ell as D utch D anish. French and Italian TV
Among his b ooks w hich have b een translated into more than a d ozen languages throughout the w orld are Heusinger of the Fourth
Reich' The Step- b y- Step Resurgence of the G erman G eneral Stall, Storm the G ates otJericho . G erman Hand on the Nuclear T rigger. The
Hitler Boom and Fascism . Concentration Camps U . S. A.
He has received numerous citations and w riting aw ard s from various ethnic, lab or . religious and civic organizations as w ell as survivor
and anti- Nazi resistance groups of Europe
Mr Allen is a grad uate o f Kenyon. College w here he w as a Rhod es Scholar nominee and Columb ia U niversity ( MAI He has lectured and
has b een a visiting scholar at innumerab le universities . colleges and schools throughout the w orld
He served in the U S Army ( Intelligence) in Korea and trained w ith the 1 1 th Airb orne IP aratroopsl
A former collegiate service and professional athlete he presently competes in AAU - sponsored Masters' Track & Field cross country
skiing as w ell as other sports
There' s really nothing new ab out it:
actual Nazi w ar criminals and fascist
:ollab orators found refuge b y the scores of
hund red s, if not thousand s, here in the U SA
after World War II . Only relatively recently,
w ithin the last few years, have larger numb ers
f Americans b een mad e aw are of the facts:
Not only d id this society harb or many of
these mass killers, b ut they w ere used b y the
ranking organs of our government, includ ing:
the State D epartment, the Office of Naval
Intelligence ( ONI) , the U . S. Air Force ( U SAF)
Intelligence,

A- 1 ,

Army

Intelligence' s CIC
( Counter- Intelligence Corps) , National
Aeronautics and Space Ad ministration ( NASA) ,
Rad io Free Europe ( RFE) , Rad io Lib erty ( RL) ,
the FBI ; and of course the CIA, one of the
foremost users, or "consumers, " as it likes to
say in its spook jargon, of know n w ar criminals
w ho served Hitler . All of these agencies ( and
possib ly more, should the full facts emerge) ,
mad e use of Nazi w ar criminals, b oth here in
the U nited States and ab road . They used them
for Cold War purposes, and this usage w as an
integral part of McCarthyism, the w itch- hunting
tw in of the Cold Was.
Much of w hat I' m opening up w ith w as
first pub lished in the late 1 9 4 0 s through early
1 9 60 s b y such luminaries as D rew P earson and
Walter Winchell, w id ely synd icated journalists of
the time w ho also had huge rad io and , in its
early stages, TV aud iences.
They, along w ith a hand ful of
Congressmen, d id manage to ex pose ind ivid uals
like And rija Artucovic w ho, since 1 9 4 8, has
b een alive and w ell b ehind armed w alls at
Surfsid e, California.
The case against Artucovic is open and
shut : as Croatian Minister of the Interior, he
eagerly served the Nazi masters w ho had
conquered his_. . - country b y d ecreeing and
implementing the slaughter of 7 80 , 0 0 0 men,
w omen and child ren, most of w hom w ere Serb s,
Jew s and G ypsies. His presence in the U S w as
d iscovered soon after he arrived . His record
w as fully know n and pub licized . At his first
trial in 1 9 5 1 for possib le ex trad ition b ack to
Yugoslavia, the legality of that move w as
upheld b y the U . S. Supreme Court. Soon
afterw ard , how ever, he w as rescued from
ex pulsion b y the comb ined efforts of a Birchite
Congressman, a reactionary jud ge, the Croatian
Catholic U nion and Card inal Spellman of New
York w ho at the time w as one of the lead ing
religious McCarthyites in the nation
. Tod ay,
after long years of seemingly futile efforts b y
the Justice D epartment to d eport him, Artucovic
may finally b e ex trad ited to Yugoslavia.
Another w id ely- pub licized w ar criminal
w ho found a haven in the U S w as the Rumanian
Orthod ox Archb ishop Valerian Trifa, w ho
triggered the 1 9 4 1 mass murd ers of Jew s in
Bucharest Romania. Trifa, a G reen Shirt, or
Iron G uard ist, w as a thug of the streets w ho
w as too much for even Rumania' s ow n
quasi- fascist government . When Trifa' s gang
failed to overthrow that cab al of militarists and
ind ustrialists, the G ermans scooped him up w ith
many

other

G reen Shirts,

giving them
protection b ack in Nazi G ermany.
Trifa mad e his w ay to the U nited States
in 1 9 5 0 . For the nex t 3 4 years, he d efied all
efforts for his ex pulsion. When he finally faced
d eportation, he w as allow ed to go to the sunny
b eaches of P ortugal . He has never faced a d ay
in court for his crimes.
After WWII, there w as a popular cartoon
show ing an "ord inary" G erman citizen w ho
proclaimed :"Nazis! Concentration camps! What
camps, w hat Nazis? I never saw them!" The
presence of Nazi w ar criminals in the U S,
how ever, w as know n from the start . Americans
can never claim they d id n' t know . They knew .
The Nazi- w ar- criminals- in- America
question has had a curious history
. It surfaces
w ith a roar, lasts a few med ia- mad d ays, and
' then d isappears from sight only to surface at
another, unpred ictab le time. After a long
silence, I b riefly stirred things up again in
1 9 63 w ith my b ook Nazi War Criminals Among
U s .

In it,

I d etailed the histories of 1 6

genocid ists w hom I interview ed and
photographed
. In one case- - a Byelorussian
concentration camp officer- - I tape- record ed his
ad mission that he had b een an informer for the
FBI and that the CIA once tried to recruit him.
"Well, I d id file an application ( w ith the CIA)
in 1 9 5 1 to fly as a parachutist over my
country, " he said
. "And some of my friend s
( other Nazi collab orators in the U S) d id go
there. " He later attempted to d eny that the CIA
tried to recruit him, and d id not respond to
positive evid ence ind icating he had , instead
claiming "I w as only contacted b y the FBI tw o
times . "
The other w ar criminal w hom I
confronted personally for the 1 9 63 b ook w as a
major figure, D r. G ustav Hilger. He w as the
d eputy to the Nazi Foreign Minister, Joachim
von Rib b entrop, w ho w as hanged at Nuremb erg
in 1 9 4 6 for his w ar crimes, crimes in w hich
Hilger w as also a d irect participant.
You might b e curious as to how I
tracked him d ow n. Keep in mind that d uring
the 1 9 5 0 s and 1 9 60 s, this country w as, as the
late U S Supreme Court Justice William O .
D ouglas said , "smothered in a mantle of fear
and apathy. " Every d ay w itnessed a new Red
scare
. While und er any circumstances it is all
too easy to b ecome somew hat paranoid , even the
"coolest cats" of the d ay sensed the FBI
presence. By and large, the med ia w ere gutless
in those d ays
. Ind eed , they w ere w orse. By
feed ing on and pumping up McCarthyism, they
w ill alw ays b ear a heavy responsib ility for
knead ing that od ious b igotry into our lives and
into the very social system.
The Einsatzgruppen
In any event, I had b een told that
Hilger got his mail at the Lib rary of Congress.
That checked out . I had also b een told he w as
a consultant at the State D epartment . That, as
you w ill shortly learn, also checked out . Hilger
had b een the liaison b etw een Rib b entrop' s
Foreign Mnistry and the SS Einsatzgruppen on
the Eastern ( Russian) Front from 1 9 4 1 - 4 3 .
The Einsatzgruppen w ere comprised of
three special command os of the SS police,
concentration camp guard s and Waffen SS
troopers ( the armed military units of the SS) .
They never numb ered more than 3 0 0 0 troops.
U sually they w ere und er the command of SS
officers w ith professional,

highly acad emic

b ackground s- - professors

of

literature

and
science, physicians, jud ges, P rotestant
clergymen, etc. - - not memb ers of the Third
Reich' s und erclass . They w ere roughly d ivid ed
up into three main command s w hich w ere
positioned immed iately b ehind the invad ing
G erman Army ( Wehrmacht) , and follow ed in its
w ake. From the b eginning, they w ere und er the
d irect operational command of the army.
There are a lot of apologists w ho tod ay
try to d ivorce the "professional army" from the
Nazis . In fact, each sub d ivision of the
Einsatzgruppen ( called an Einsatzcommand o, or
specia task force) , could only move w ith
clearance from Army High Command ( OKH) .
The immed iate task of the
Einsatzgruppen w as to round up all Jew s,
G ypsies, Communists and Commissars, and kill
them out of hand . In all, they accounted for
the mass murd er of 1 . 4 million Soviet Jew s.
Wherever they w ent, they used native
collab orators to assist them in round ing up the
victims, and in literally making them d ig their
ow n graves.
Where d oes D r . Hilger come into all
this?
Each d ay
his office communicated b y
w ireless rad io to the central Einsatzgruppen
head quarters w hich w ould then pass on the
d aily b od y count to Hilger. Hilger w ould then
estimate w hich areas of conquered Russia w ere
"Jud enrein"

( "purified "

of all

Jew s) .

By
keeping track of w hich areas w ere cleared , his
office could proceed to implement the racist
policies of the Third Reich . The G ermans had
every intention of "cleansing" huge areas of the
Soviet U nion so that they, the "pure Aryans",
could take over and colonize those areas
especially rich in farm land , minerals and
ind ustrial potential . ( This policy w as called
"Leb ensraum" ( living space) b y the G ermans) .
Only the "pure Aryans" w ould b e permitted the
privilege of inhab itance.
In point of fact,

a ranking SS
genocid ist, ' G eneral Erich von d em
Bach- Zelew ski, told the Nuremb erg trib unal that
just as they ex terminated the Jew s of Europe,
the

Hitlerites

had

every

intention

of
systematically

murd ering

3 0

million

Slavic
"untermenschen" ( inferiors) w ithin the Soviet
U nion.

In all,

the G ermans und er Nazi

lead ership killed over 20 million Soviet citizens.
Hilger' s job w as then to select those
areas w hich w ere read y for colonization and
w hich w ere to carry out the foreign policy
measures of the Third Reich
. As Hitler himself
told his top generals, SS and party figures on
the eve of his surprise invasion of the U SSR:
"This conquest ( of the Soviet U nion) is a simple
matter . .
. w e now have to face the task of
cutting up the cake ( i . e. , the U SSR) accord ing
to our need s, in ord er to b e ab le: first, to
d ominate it
; second , to ad minister it ; t- tFIT. d , to
ex ploit it
. " Hilger' s job w as to implement this
naked spoilation b y integrating the d aily mass
murd ers on the Nazi led ger.
In 1 9 62, I learned that Hilger had an
office at the State D epartment and that he
commuted to apartments in Washington, D . C.
and in New York from his home in West
G ermany. He w as a consultant for the State
D epartment . I w as ab le to secure his office
phone numb er at State and his unlisted numb er
in the nation' s capital
. One d ay I called his
personal numb er and the follow ing ex change
took place:
CA: Hilger?
Hilger :

Ja. . .
CA
: Well, w here have you b een?
Hilger : What d o you mean? I mean
. . . w ho is
this speaking, please?
CA
: Look, I called you at State and could n' t
get you!
Hilger : Well, perhaps, the ex tension is 4 1
. .
. Just a minute! Who is this?
CA
: Look, you are D r . G ustav Hilger? D r.
Hilger, w hat precisely is your w ork w ith the
U nited States State D epartment?
Hilger : I have nothing to say
. Nothing to say.
With

that,

D r.

G ustav

Hilger,
Rib b entrop' s informant on Einsatzgruppen
operations d uring the height of the Holocaust,
hung up.
The very nex t d ay, Hilger' s personal
phone numb er w as again d elisted . I immed iately
called the State D epartment and spoke w ith
McG ow an, the "supervisor" of pub lic relations
for the G erman Affairs Office. He told me w ith
b land finality: "I can assure you w ithout fear
of contrad iction that D r . Hilger w as never
employed b y the U nited States State
D epartment . " I pressed him, provid ing b oth
Hilger' s State D epartment office phone numb er
and room numb er, and location, along w ith his
d elisted personal phones in Washington and New
York . There w as a slight pause. Hurried ly
now , McG ow an called out : "Oh yes, my
good ness, yes! You are right . Yes, w e d id
employ D r . Hilger on a consultant b asis at the
American emb assy in Bonn . "
McG ow an also ad mitted that Hilger
commuted regularly b etw een Washington and
West G ermany
. How ever, the State D ept
.
Left-
: Trite as G reen- Shined Iron G uard isl flanked b y Nazi officers, right
: Trifa as archb ishop.
May 1 5 , 1 9 7 8, the G eneral Accounting Office
( G AO) , the investigatory/aud it arm of the U S
House of Representatives, issued a report on
Nazi w ar criminals in the U nited States
. And
guess w hom the CIA ad mits to having used ? D r.
G ustav Hilger.
Even b efore WWII, w hile posted in
Moscow for Nazi G ermany in the mid - 1 9 3 0 ' s,
Hilger b ecame a friend of G eorge F
. Kennan, an
American State D epartment official at the U S
emb assy in Moscow
. Kennan is the celeb rated
author of the even more celeb rated "Mr. X"
article of 1 9 4 7 in w hich w as first spelled out
the b asic d octrine of the Cold War
: the
containment of the Soviet U nion . Kennan, in
fact, prob ab ly played an influential role in the
sub sequent hiring of Hilger b y the U S
. I
recently uncovered d ocuments from the
Nuremb erg w ar crimes trials w hich show Hilger
w as b eing consid ered as a possib le d efend ant at
those trials at ab out the time Kennan may have
interced ed on his b ehalf for employment b y b oth
the State D ept and the CIA.
When I w as releasing my ow n find ings
on Klaus Barb ie and U S intelligence in early
1 9 83 , I had also show n that Barb ie w as not the
only major Nazi so used b y the U S. I
d emonstrated that Hilger had b een employed as
one of its "ind ispensab le ex perts on the Soviet
U nion
. " The Reuters new s agency put the story
on its international A- w ire, and The New York
Times head lined it on the front pages of its
Sund ay, Feb ruary 20 , 1 9 83 ed ition.
The story quoted Kennan, now a
faculty memb er at P rinceton U niversity' s
prestigious Institute for Ad vanced Stud ies, as
having said : "Hilger w as a very d ecent man. .
. We w ere very glad he w as here b ecause he had
such a tremend ous know led ge ab out the Soviet
U nion
. We b rought him here b ecause w e w ere
w orried that, if w e d id n' t get him, the Soviets
w ould . " The Times also said that Kennan "w as
unaw are of any payments" given to Hilger b y
the U S G overnment.
It is curious that Kennan, w ho tod ay is
one of the foremost opponents of the nuclear
arms race, w ould b e capab le of consciously
assisting the recruitment of a Hilger . ( As an
asid e, it is also questionab le that U S
intelligence w ould value Hilger' s "tremend ous
know led ge" of the Soviet U nion, w hen his
spokesman heated ly d enied any connection ex pertise w as seemingly limited to the genocid al
b etw een Hilger and the "unsavory" aspects of "cleansing" of the G erman- occupied Soviet
Hitler G ermany
. I told McG ow an to ex amine areas
. ) Incid entally, Mr
. Kennan told The
Nuremb erg D ocument,
NG - 5 0 26,
w ireless Times, in response to my find ings on Hilger,
instructions from Hilger to G roup Inland II fl ' "D r
. Hilger w as not guilty of ary w ar
d ated D ecemb er 9 ,

1 9 4 3 , for his actual crimes to the b est of my know led ge . "

complicity in Einsatzgruppen- Foreign Office Of course w e could go on and on w ith
collab oration in- Masi - murd ers
. The press agent P rovab le instances of U S employment of know n
retorted
: "I recall that D r
. Hilger w as really an Nazi w ar criminals and collab orators . Ind eed , I
anti- Nazi and w as in fact rescued from a testified b efore the U S Congress in 1 9 7 8 for
concentration camp
. " G ustav Hilger, then, w as nearly three ( uninterrupted ) hours as an
anti- Nazi, w as that the State D ept' s contention? invited so- called "ex pert w itness" on all of this.
"Yes, " the P R man said , "D r
. Hilger w as All I d id there w as to trace some ten cases
alw ays consid ered a staunch foe of Hitler . "

illustrating such usage

. But if there is any
Now that fragment of journalistic purpose at all in relating these facts, it is, at
investigation took place almost 23 years ago
. minimum, to d emonstrate the U nited States' use
Since then, more has b een ad d ed to the picture of Nazi w ar criminals in its preparation of the
of Hilger' s utilization b y the G overnment. On Cold War against the Soviet U nion
.
P roject P aperclip
A huge U S intelligence operation w as
launched in 1 9 4 4
. Its cod e name w as P roject
P aperclip . Through the late 1 9 5 0 s
this operation
b rought 1 , 5 5 8 G erman and Austrian scientists,
technicians, engineers, technologists and
"intelligence resources" into the U nited States.
The program w as conceived and run b y top
G overnment officials in the Army, Air Force,
Navy, State D epartment, Treasury and even the
Commerce D epartment, along w ith intelligence
elements . Its purpose w as to locate, id entify,
single out, "seize" and "ex ploit" ( in the very
language of the charter w hich estab lished the
project) , and b ring sought- after G ermans and
Austrians b ack to the U S for employment
. In
return for provid ing services for their new
masters, they received cushy job s in the
government and in the "private" sector- - top
corporations, b anks, universities and med ical
schools- - and w ere granted the coveted American
citizenship.
There w ere some prob lems inherent in
this massive und ertaking. Nearly all
P aperclippers had b een nominal Nazi P arty
memb ers . Some w ere memb ers of the SS. More
than a few w ere w ar criminals.
When one pauses to consid er just w ho
these people w ere, one confronts the very core
of Nazi G ermany' s technocrats, the ones w ith
the ed ucation, training, talent and d ed ication
that mad e the Nazi w ar machine and , b y
ex tention, its mass murd er apparatus- - und er
w hich 5 0 million d ied - - function so w ell.
Take, for ex ample, Werner von Braun,
the "Father of America' s Space P rogram, " as
the med ia never tired of calling him, w ho w as
involved in many w ell- know n projects : moon
shots, Cape Canaveral, NASA, etc. The highest
aw ard s ever given to a naturalized U S citizen
w ent to von Braun
. He ran the U S space
program,

period .

U niversities,

colleges,
churches and synagogues all fell over
themselves to heap honors on him and the other
Nazi V- 2 rocket scientists w ho w orked und er
his d irection. Von Braun w as also a memb er of
the Nazi
P arty ( 4 1 85 0 68) and a Major in the 5 S
( 4 5 7 3 869 2) .
Then

there

w as

D r .

Walter

P .
Schreib er. But instead of my telling you ab out
Schreib er,

let Reuters ( Feb ruary 1 9 , 1 9 83

d ispatch) tell you:
"Allen said that Schreib er had b een
convicted in ab sentia b y a P olish trib unal of
cond ucting med ical ex periments in the Auschw itz
d eath camp . . .
"Mr. Aller ob tained a formerly secret
message b etw een the Army Counter Intelligence
Corps and Air Force Intelligence show ing that
the authorities had arranged for D r.
Schreib er' s resettlement in 1 9 5 1 in Argentina.
Further research show ed that he moved to
P araguay in 1 9 5 2, Mr . Allen said . "
What Reuters d id not ad d is that
Schreib er w as flow n, courtesy of the U S Air
Force, in a sealed plane to P araguay w here his
colleague from Auschw itz, SS d octor Josef
Mengele, nicknamed the "Angel of D eath",
lived . And Schreib er had b een employed b y the
WA N T ED!
FO R C RI M ES A GA I N ST H U M A N I T Y
H er m i ne Ryan

valer i an T r lt a

B_ m alk ous k ls
M ai danek c onc ent r at i on
c am p guar d, on t r i al I n
Ger m any.
Air Force as head of its Chemical- Bacteria
Warfare ( CBW) D epartment.
There are more striking illustrations of
the use of ex - Nazis b y the U nited States:
Tod ay, the name D r . Hub ertus Strughold means
nothing to virtually every citizen living in the
U S, b ut at various times he w as the chief
med ical scientist of the U S Air Force, a
consultant to NASA d uring the moon shots, and
a consultant for the CIA, as I have d ocumented
in my w ritings. D uring WWII, he w as the
d irector of the G erman Air Force' s med ical
center for research. D uring 1 9 4 1 - 4 2, Strughold
w as conceptually involved

in ex periments
carried out on inmates of the D achau
concentration camp . His ow n sub ord inates at the
Luftw affe ( Air Force) w ere in charge of the
d ay- to- d ay ex periments.
In 1 9 4 6, the U S prosecution team at the
Case I ( Med ical) trials at Nuremb erg originally
slated Strughold to b e a d efend ant, as he had
b een "implicated " in w ar crimes
. Instead of
w ind ing up in the d ock w here he b elonged ,
Strughold w as secretly flow n into the U nited
States b y the Air Force w here, you' ll ex cuse
the ex pression, he w ent on to greater heights.
The med ia liked Strughold , calling him
"America' s Father of Space Med icine
. " But the
med ia never told of the high- altitud e
ex periments at D achau w here a 3 5 year- old
Jew ish b aker from the Warsaw G hetto w as given
ox ygen and put in a space capsule
. When he
reached the simulated height of 3 5 , 0 0 0 feet, the
ox ygen lifeline w as cut off, w hereupon G erman
"med ical scientists" record ed on cameras and
sound tracks his every scream and convulsion
until he literally ex plod ed , all in the name of
the ad vancement of "science".
The Military- Ind ustrial Complex is
another ex ample of how P roject P aperclip w as a
central vehicle for the American utilization of
fascist criminals.
When P resid ent D w ight D
. Eisenhow er
left the White House in 1 9 60 , he w arned the
nation that the b iggest threat to the security of
the U nited States came not from ab road b ut
rather from w ithin
. He w as referring to the
comb ination of the Brass Hats, w ho have never
grasped very clearly w hat a d emocracy is all
ab out, and the b ig manufacturers, b ankers and
sellers of arms, w ho d on' t care ab out anything
ex cept making profits
. A b ook w as once w ritten
called The Merchants of D eath w hich w ell
anted ated Eisenhow er' s famous remarks.
One must also rememb er that at the
b eginning of the Cold War, ironically enough
d uring the Eisenhow er ad ministration, the 1 9 5 4
Hoover Commission told the P resid ent that in
ord er to contain communism the nation w ould
have to make some pretty rad ical changes in
w hat had alw ays b een consid ered the essential
spirit of the American d emocratic trad ition . In
its report to Ike, the Commission noted :
- "There are no rules in such a game.
Hitherto acceptab le norms of human cond uct d o
not apply
. If the U S is to survive,
long- stand ing concepts of ' fair play' must b e
reconsid ered
. We must learn to sub vert,
sab otage and d estroy our enemies b y more
clever, more sophisticated and more effective
method s than those used against us . It may
b ecome necessary that the American people b e
acquainted w ith, und erstand and support this
fund amentally repugnant philosophy
. "
To d evelop such an acceptance of
repugnant philosophies, the, use of Nazi w ar
criminals, - - w hether actual mass murd erers or
armchair murd erers w ho fashioned the policies
of genocid e, invasion and ' w ar- - even if they
w ere natives of countries w hich w ere once our
foresw orn enemies and the enemies of
civilization- - w ould now have to b e accepted b y
a pliant people.
( Tod ay, the American government
finances the counter- revolutionary Contras in
Nicaragua- - a force w hich is largely comprised
of hired mercenaries w ho w ere gangsters und er
the d eposed Somoza regime
. Read ers may recall
the recent med ia "ex pose" of the CIA b ooklet
the government w as caught pushing into
Nicaragua for Contra use- - it is all part of a
continuum)
.
ABC Nightline
This w as b rought vivid ly to the fore
this past Octob er w hen I encountered "live" on
netw ork TV b efore an estimated aud ience of
some 3 5 million, the former D eputy D irector of
Operations for the Central Intelligence Agency
w ho had himself used these very Nazi w ar
criminals.
His name is Ray Cline
. He faithfully
served "the Company" from its inception in 1 9 4 7
through the early 1 9 7 0 s . I' ll highlight three
significant ex changes on Ted Koppel' s
"Nightline" show b etw een Cline and myself to
b ring some of these issues into focus:
- Ted Koppel asked Cline ab out Arthur
Rud olph, the Nazi rocket scientist w ho
participated in the use of slave lab or at the
D ora concentration complex w here the V- 2
rockets w ere b uilt. He w as sub sequently one of
the highest ranking P aperclip alumni in the
American space program, having b een chief
engineer on the Saturn rocket system that
carried men to the moon. Later, w hen Rud olph
w as presented w ith incriminating evid ence of his
role at D ora, w here 3 0 ,
0 0 0 to
60 , 0 0 0 w ere put
to d eath b y forced lab or, he d ecid ed to return
to West G ermany and renounce his American
citizenship as part of a plea b argaining d eal
w ith the U S G overnment' s Office of Special
Investigations . ( The OSI prosecutes accused
Nazi w ar criminals in this country b y w ay of
d enaturalization/d eportation civil suits. !
Cline respond ed : "Ted , I' m inclined to
think ( Rud olph) should have b een recognized as
having paid his d eb t to society . . . b ecause of
the very d elib erate contrib ution of his science
and technology . . . of great genius, to the
U nited States and to the strategic d efenses of
this country. . . 1 feel a little sad to see him
now d eprived of his American citizenship and
mad e to feel a criminal as an old man after all
these years. .
I quickly b roke in at that point : "In
the first place, the comments b y Mr. Cline,
formerly of the CIA, are a classic statement
justifying CIA utlization not only of Arthur
Rud olph, b ut others, w hich have b een proven
in quite a few instances. Making a plea
b argaining copout w as no proper solution of the
morally questionab le know ing employment of Nazi
w ar criminals for w hatever reason, includ ing
space programs . "
Cline, smiling through clenched teeth,
w hined : "Oh now , that' s just, just ob vious
anti- CIA!"
- After another prod b y Ted
Koppel, Cline tried to b olster his d efense
of Rud olph b y involving the name of one
Reinhard G ehlen, Nazi chief of Wehrmacht
intelligence on the Russian Front d uring
WWII . "He w as ( a very good friend ) , I
knew him w ell, " Cline enthused . "G ehlen
had led an anti- Hitler conspiracy" on the
Russian Front "to get the scientists, to
get the intelligence officers to . .
surrend er to the Americans b ecause they
w anted to make a retrib ution for w hatever
crimes they' d committed and contrib ute to
the w elfare and security of the U nited
States. "
Again I b usted in on Cline: "I
d on' t care how w ell you knew G ehlen
personally, and so w hat if he w as a friend
of yours! G ehlen w as never anti- Nazi,
never participated in anti- Hitler
conspiracies
. His ob jective role in ( the)
history ( of the Holocaust) is very clear . "
Cline, tremb ling, his voice
perceptib ly strained , respond ed : "Oh, you
just d on' t know the facts, and I d o!"
I replied : "Well, I d o know the
facts, and know them very w ell . " I w ent
on to suggest that Cline w as lying through
his clenched teeth.
Among other talents of G eneral"
Reinhard G ehlen- - w ho ran the so- called
G ehlen Org for the CIA for more than a
quarter of a century in Europe, mounting
espionage, sab otage and assasination
operations against the Soviet U nion and
Eastern Europe- - w ere his b ehind - the- lines
terror operations d uring the w ar against
the Soviet people
. G ehlen w as an ex pert in
Anti- P artisan w arfare, easily the most
savage of all Nazi b utcheries . In hund red s
I r on Guar d leader now

Lat vi an poli c e offi c i al,

ar c hbi s hop, r es i di ng I n

r es i di ng I n M i neola,
M i c hi gan .

N ew Yor k .
A nt lr lla A r t uc oui c K laus Bar bi e

Jos ef m enoele
C r oat i an w ar c r i m i nal,

"But c her of Lyon," las t

A us c hw i t z doc t or , las t
r es i di ng i n C ali for ni a .

s een I n Boli vi a .

s een i n P ar aguay .
A lesson i n dupli ci ty as US lets Nazi war cri mi nal avoi d justi ce
C H A RLES R. A LLEN JR.
NF WYORK - There ran to lit-
tle gralilirahnn here over the ex -
pulsion front our shores of the sclf-
ccrlified Nazi w ar icriminal . Arch-
b ishop Valerian U Trifa of Roma-
Ina.
The
:W- year presence here of
I
his inciter ul the 1 9 4 1 Bucharest
pogrom has b een an insolent
cx kery of Europe' s six mllhon
martyred Jew s. a travesty of our
ow n law s and presumed commit-
atoll Ina new pi5 1 - Hab x ' aust mo-
rality.
The curious arrangement
w hich has allow ed Trifa, the ab et-
tor of genie- ld e. In ilv to retirement
it the sunny ix aches of P ortugal
irulesquely tw ists the long- fester-
ing issue of Nazi w ar criminals
and eollalw ratnrs w ho_ have found
haven In the U nited Stales.
U nd er the legal and moral com-
mitments w hich w e prominently
authored In several Instances at
the height of the Holocaust ( the
Moscow iky9 aratlon of 1 9 4 3 1 and
after the w ar ( Nuremb erg 1 9 4 6)
and in sub sequent international
compacts. w e solemnly covenant-
ed "to pursue them ( w ar crlmin-
als/collab orators] to the uttermost
end s of the earth and d eliver them
to their accusers in ord er that Jus-
tice may b e d one" ( Moscow . 1 9 4 3 1
International law d evelop-
ments since then have reinforced
this commitment to the point
w here any legitimately concerned
nation may request such crimi-
nals to satisfy Justice and w e are
ob liged to hand them over.
Trifa committed his crimes -
w hich he In rfleri ad mitted w hen
he consented to an ord er of d epor-
tation nearly tw o years ago - In
Romania. not P ortugal
But front the first . Romania
had equivocated ab out him . even
( hough he had b een found guilty
of w ar crimes b y its ow n courts.
The U S government not once
pub licly called Romania to ac-
count for Its evasions In the Trifa
mailer.
For the past year. d iscussions
have b een held w ith Israel . a logi-
cal choice to receive Trifa for trial
after Romania' s silence The tw o
nations failed to reach a mod us
Meesid i.
For w hatever reasons, failure
to d eport Trifa to stand trial and
face Justice Is In Itself morally rep-
rehensib le. All parties to this "ar-
rangement" are responsib le.
For the past several years, I
have w arned that the U S govern-
ment might w ell try to avoid its
grave d uty to hand over for trial
proven Nazi w ar criminals in our
mid st
Stephen S. Trott of the Justice
D epartment announced w ith sat-
isfaction. "Our mission w as to re-
move Trifa from this country . .
and that has b een accom-
plished . "
Our misslon, in fact. Is to d e-
port them to Justice
The arrangement allow ing
Trifa to go to P ortugal smacks of
chicanery at least . The Justice D e-
partment d id not pub licly and ag-
gressively seek his d eportation to
b e properly tried for w ar crimes.
Ind eed . Trifa spent nearly tw o
years shopping around among
five countries until he w as accept-
ed b y P ortugal nn a 9 0 - d ay visa
The State D epartment knew
last D ecemb er that P ortugal gave
Trifa a visa. Not a w ord w as ut-
tered to the American people of
such know led ge.
The claim b y P ortual that It d id
not know w ho Trifa w as
. that his
visa application Just "floated
through routine" proced ures, and
that the U S State D epartment d id
not d iscuss the matter w ith the
nation that originally w as the
first fascist government In Europe
Is preposterous.
The meaning of Trifa' s escape
from Justice Is und eniab ly clear
for the American people, Ind eed
the w orld
. After nearly 4 0 years of
provid ing refuge for know n Nazi
w ar criminals, after years of us-
ing them ( Includ ing Trifa. w ho
w as utilized b y the CIA' s Rad io
Free yurepe and the Full . the
Amenc
. ul government has d ecid -
ed not In
ensure final retrib ution
for those found guilty und er our
ow n law s ut having particlpated
in the Final Solution.
Failure to d eport Nazi w ar
criminals to face Justice for the
crimes ( hey have committed Is d e-
nial of Justice.
This is the meaning of Trifa' s
escape from Justice.
Is this w hat w e are to ex pect -
and accept - w ith the d ozen or so
cases of d eportation ord ers that
w ill b ecome final over the ensuing
year for the genocid lsts among us?
Charles
If. Allen Jr.' s latest
book . "From Hitler to Uncle S am)
flowAmerican Intelligence Used
Accused Nazi WarCriminals ." Ls
scheduled_or1 985 release.
5 5 pose . ,

uB'a o n. . .

BI Eu, p"n , a

, v
u , u, , Iynee
w w m

, or

. G . ~na~ry

P 0 0 . BBunn um
. iryWu
o, m, n
. Io, B
. m, a, ~
of such operations- - called variously White
Hare, Quick Snare, Blood Triangle, D eep
Frost and other sob riquets of
genocid e- - G ehlen' s command ex terminated
tens of thousand s of innocents w ho w ere
conveniently treated as "b and its" b y the
Nazis.
Finally, Koppel asked Cline
w hether there w as a connection b etw een
American utilization of Nazi w ar criminals,
and the CIA instruction hand b ook ad vising
Nicaraguan "Contras" ab out how to commit
assassinations, kid nappings and b omb ings.
Cline promptly respond ed w ith
another, "Well, Ted - .
. that little b ooklet
( w as) b y no stretch of the imagination an
instruction to murd er or to assassination . "
I once again cut in, even as Cline tried to
continue: "In the early 1 9 5 0 ' s up through
1 9 5 7 , counter- insurgency programs w ere
installed at Fort Mead e in Maryland b y
intelligence agencies in the U nited States,
led b y the CIA and military intelligence, in
w hich the Nazi ex perience w as d raw n
upon. I' ve w ritten ab out this ex tensively.
Ind eed , Mr . Koppel, your point is
w ell- taken. There is a d irect, continuous
relationship b etw een that early period of
the 5 0 ' s- - w hen such w ar criminals and
collab orators

w ere

used

in

these
counter- insurgency programs as
instructors- - and the Nicaraguan pamphlet
that has just b een released ( b y the CIA) . "
After Koppel' s "Nightline"
program, I told the press further
: "The
very first instructors and ad visors of all
American counter- insurgency ( read :
- counter revolutionary) programs at Mead e
and elsew here w ere Nazi w ar criminals w ho
operated und er the command of G ehlen and
the anti- b and it sections of the SS and
their fascist collab orators. Some of the
very
participants in the savage
anti- Partisan operations were employed at
Fort Meade
. These programs were adapted
for use and later refined in Korea, Viet
Nam and are now being used in Central
America
."
The P olitical Connection
The Nazi w ar criminal presence is
not just an ob scene passing phenomenon,
and is most certainly not a story ab out a
b unch of little old men w ho once
participated in the genocid es of Nazi
G ermany.
The use of Nazi w ar criminals b y
U S intelligence and the military, as w ell as
b y ind ustry and b anking, is b est
und erstood as the short- term tactics of a
socio- economic and political system that
strategically requires their use. P olitically,
as integral parts of the American policies
of Cold War ab road and McCarthyism at
home, the w ar criminals have b een a
calculated component of the w itch- hunting
and ob sessive conformity of this nation,
from the onset of "loyalty oaths" und er
Truman,

through

McCarthy

and
McCarthyism,

the

imperialist

w ars

in
Southeast Asia, the Mid d le East and , most
recently in Central America. Their
employment has served the need s of b oth
the North Atlantic Treaty Organization
( NATO) , and the space programs w hich
are prepond erantly military in nature
. `
They w ere among the first "D irty Tricks"
of the Cold War era. Their know n presence
in, and use b y, the U S have contrib uted
to the alteration of the b asic premises of
the American d emocratic trad ition, from a
sense of d ecency, fair play, tolerance and
compassion, to a no- hold s- b arred
b rutality and acceptance of the violence
w hich is inevitab ly generated b y mind less
conformity.
Nazi w ar criminals- - the actual mass
murd erers as w ell as the conceptualists of
mass murd er- - are serious
"anti- Communists" . Hell, they slaughtered
5 0 million and w ere read y to slaughter
even more in the name of anti- Communism,
w hile serving the specific glob al strategies
of armed fascism . Conscious employment of
Nazi w ar criminals is a w arning sign that
those w ho really ow n, control, run and
d etermine affairs in this society w ill stop
at

nothing

to

maintain

their
ow nership/control/profits.
This phenomerati is a symptom of a
larger d evelopment in America that I have
termed pre- fascism . Fascism is b y no
means yet a pow er in the U nited States.
Instead , w e have b een, since the end of
WWII, in an incipient state: pre- fascism.
Significantly, fascism is not inevitab le.
The conceivab le scenarios for "It Can
Happen Here" are many and multi- layered ,
and are d istinctive to our ow n societal
system- - as American as apple pie.
I

know

that MR&R' s justified

concern

over

this

issue

has

b een
ex pressed through several
thought- provoking and useful articles in
recent numb ers of the zeen. I hope that
the information and analyses I' ve w orked
into this piece w ill b e a useful contrib ution
to your ow n very positive d ialogues- - even
w ith some of the right- w ing Skins- - rank
and file can still b e communicated w ith,
and hopefully reasoned past racism,
violence and b rutal conformities. That' s
w hy I und erscore that there is nothing
inevitab le ab out fascism
. It can b e
d efeated w ell b efore the fact, b ut it must
b e und erstood clearly, the b etter to b eat
it . The concept of so- called "friend ly
fascism" is a d angerous one
. Raygun' s
laid - b ack style of a smile and a w ave as he
violates the World Court in Nicaragua, and
b efore the terrorists of the so- called
Right- to- Lifers w hom he openly provokes:
that d istinctively American style occurs at
a stage of pre- fascism, not fascism.
The Nazi w ar criminals are
remind er enough of the pow erful insight
given us b y the philosopher, Herb ert
Marcuse, w ho said just b efore he d ied in
1 9 7 9
: "We have moved into a d ifferent
period in terms of historical sequence
. We
are now in the mid st
oftheoriginal
counter- revolution
. You can not have fun
w ith fascism . "
Ab ove all I have stressed the
socio- economic contex t of the several
"Whether w e are comfortab le w ith it
or not, w e are d ealing w ith something
that Is on the pub lic record , " said Mar-
tin Mend elsohn, a former Investigator
if w ar criminals in the Justice D epart-
ment and now a Washington law yer for
. he Simon Wiesenthal Holocaust Cen-
. er, w hich Is b ased in Los Angeles.
G eorge F . Kennan, the historian and
former d iplomat, said one of the Nazis
5 rought to the U nited States after World
War II w as G ustav Hilger, Hiller' s
D eputy Foreign Minister.
"We w ere very glad he w as here b e-
cause he had a tremend ous know led ge
ab out the Soviet U nion, " Mr . Kenner
said . "Web rought him here b ecause w e
w ere w orried that, if w e d id n' t, the Sovi-
ets w ould get him . "
Mr. Kennan first met Mr. Hilger
w hile they w ere serving at their respec-
tive emb assies in Moscow in the1 9 3 0 ' s.
Mr. Hilger later returned to Berlin.
w here he served und er Foreign Minis-
ter Joachim Rib b entrop.
While Mr. Kennan referred to Mr.
Hilger, now d ead , as "a very d ecent
man" and , to his know led ge, as not
guilty of any w ar crimes. Charles Allen
Jr
. , an ex perts on w ar criminals, has
w ritten that . after Mr. Hilger returned
to Berlin from Moscow , he b ecame "the
liaison b etw een Rib b entrop' s office and
the SS Elnsatzgruppen, or ' Special Task
Forces, ' w hich murd ered some 1
. 1 mil.
lion Soviet Jew s on the Eastern Front . "
In his
1 9 83 b ook "Nazi War Criminals
Among U s, " Mr. Allen w rote that Mr.
Hilger had b een paid b y the Central In-
telligence Agency and b y the State D e-
Ba rbie Ca lled line of Ma ny
Ex-Na zis Aided by U
.S.
THENEWY ORK TIMES, SU NDAY , FEBRU ARY
20, 1 983
BY Reunn - .
Klaus Barb te, the G estapo official,
w as Just one of a numb er of former
Nazis protected b y U nited States agen-
etes in ex change for their know led ge of
Soviet activities or other ex pertise, ac-
centing to American investigators.
These G ermans w ere
used b y Amen-
can intelligence agencies as Inform-
ants, consultants or scientists, the In-
vestigators say.
part meat as a consultant.
Mr. Kennan said he w as unaw are of
any payments mad e to Mr. Hilger b y
the U nited States G overnment.
A 1 9 7 8 report b y the G eneral Account-
ing Office, the Investigative arm of Con-
gress, said the C. I . A
. had sought assist-
ance from some 22 former Nazis living
In the U nited States aher World War II.
The report mentioned payments to an
unid entified "senior official of the G er-
man Foreign Ministry d uring the Nazi
era" w ho w as a Soviet ex pert.
Elizab eth Holtzman. the Brooklyn
D istrict Attorney, w ho pressed for the
prosecution of w ar criminals w hile a
memb er of Congress In the 1 9 7 0 ' s . said
that many of the people listed b y the
G . A. O. had b een assisted b y G overn-
ment agencies in avoid ing prosecution.
"The Barb ie allesations are not row
in the sense of the involvement of the
U . S. G overnment w ith ex - Nazis and
w ar criminals, " she said . "It is a sord id
part of this country' s past . "
Erhard D ab ringhats, a former mili-
tary intelligence officer w ho said he
paid Mr. Barb ie $1 , 7 0 0 a month as an In-
formant, said his superiors w ere aw are
of Mr. Barb ie' s b ackground .
"P eople w ere making conscious and
know led geab le d ecisions b ased on the
political climate at the time, " Mr. Men-
d elsohn of the Wiesenthal Center said .
Among some 1 , 5 0 0 Austrian and G er-
man scientists b rought to the U nited
States after the w ar, Mr. Allen said .
w as Walter Schreib er, w ho had b e con-
victed in ab sentia b y a P olish trib unal
of cond ucting med ical ex periments in
the Auschw itz d eath c a m p . '
Mr. Allen ob tained a formerly secret
message b etw een the Army Counter In-
telligence Corps and fir Force Intelli-
gence show ing that the authorities had
arranged for Mr
. Schnefb er' s resettle.
meat in Argentina. Further research
show ed that he moved to P araguay
1 9 5 2, Mr. Allen said .
1
cases w ith w hich I illustrated this piece:
the rocket scientists, P aperclip, etc
. The
employment of P aperclippers and others of
SS- ilk b y the major corporations, b anks
and the Military Ind ustrial Complex clearly
signal that they have continuously sought
out any remed y that w ill assure
max imization of profits at all time.
In the first volume of Capital, Karl
Marx cites another 1 9 th century w riter ( T.
J
. D unning) to illustrate w hat capital w ill
freely engage in to get super- profits:
"Capital eschew s no profit ( D unning
w rote) . .
. just as Nature w as said to
ab hor a vacuum
. With ad equate profit,
capital is very b old
. A certain 1 0 %w ill
ensure its employment anyw here
: 20 %
certain w ill prod uce eagerness
; 5 0 %
positive aud acity
; 1 0 0 w ill make it read y
to trample on all human law s
; 3 0 0 %and
there is not a crime at w hich it w ill
scruple, nor a risk it w ill not run, even
to the chance of its ow ner b eing hanged
. "
And that includ es employing the
mass killers and the architects of the Final
Solution
.
Every b asic American institution- -
government, ed ucation, the economic
system, and the scientific and religious
communities- - has b een infected b y the
know ing use of fascist criminals
. Their
crimes? An ab omination
. But their
utilization b y the most pow erful elements of
the American ruling class goes b eyond
ab omination, b eyond novel ex pressions of
end less profit- taking
. Such employment,
such enlistment w as ( and is) necessary to
American monopoly capitalism
: a symptom
of its d eepest need s, its d eepest
b ankruptcies and d isord er, end emic unto
itself .
NOTICE- MRR w as intend ing to issue a
"special ed ition" of investigative journalism
in

the

near

future,

b ut

d ue to
circumstances b eyond our control
( meaning, if you b elieve this, that there
are some people w ho are even b igger
flakes than punk rockers- - in this case,
parapolitical reporters) w e w on' t b e coming
forth w ith it
. Instead , w e w ill, over the
nex t several issues, b e printing some of
the articles w e' ve received in the regular
MRR
. We hope this w ill, in turn,
encourage more serious journalism in this
area to b e sub mitted to us for your
ed ification
. Tim
001 LASI'A 1P (Second pressin
g
~))Terveet }cadet,
a
Bastards o

Usti ',Kansan Uutiset,Sekunda,

Kauneus Tervevs,Purkaus,Markkinoantiopera
a-
002 NOBODY'S PF RF IS I'-EP,An international com-
M (F inl
.
. and)
thzaci 'e gugoslavia)

1
I
c-
Purrkur
)Ai
(I
t
e
d
ece
Greece he Bill Of Rights (Canadaa) Adiex odo
t (1~ rnerk),tig ethic
Lee
El
lingsoncold ,oure
K'UOILEET KUKAT
: Isoveli valvoo-IP,Ex . KAACS si-
nger
Jakke with his brand new band
. 4 songs to
get yyour brain sliced in 'pieces!
. There s only
one Kuolleet Kukat,and this record truly mak-
es
it sound that tray . . .
MF J1,AKKA
: Ei . . -EP
. Great hardcore li
ttle city
Ra
ure,Including 7 fast/loud songs
to break your
ears.
i)

&

t~ . e . s
L~U KEMJA RECORD S
LEU K EM I A

P nuke

l
IPwithWD
~
e))

o Poin
vinyl
. You 11 love

pilation
Italy )
. Great covers
itb
annIMNIMak
tio,H. LC
. Systems ,Riisteyt.
D O ENTWTi` 1 0
02,70D KALINIAi N~N
FiNt. ANV
:o
(Shr oni dt
2 M or e Reput ed
War
C r i m i nals
Leave U
. S
. t o A voi d C har ges
Washington

b rought b y
the d epartment in a d e heitsd ienst, or security service of
portation proceed ing tiled last year
. the SS.
Tw o men w ho
alleged ly
The
government
charged
that he He w as mayor of
Hirschb erg,
helped
the Nazis persecute assisted the Nazis in persecuting G ermany, from 1 9 3 4 to
1 9 3 8
w hen
Jew s and other civilians d uring Jew s w hile he served in the Schutz
.
many Nazi d ecrees concerning per-
World War II have left the mannschatt, a military
b attalion
in aecutlon of the Jew s w ent into ef-
U nited States
permanently
his native
Lithuania
.

feet and w ere enforced b y the city

rather than face charges, the

ad ministration.
Justice

D epartment

an-

Kisielaitis, w ho entered this

After Nazis
invad ed the Soviet
nounced yesterd ay.

country in
1 9 63 , alleged ly
concealed
his service b ecause memb ers of that U nion, Bluemel w as named a d ls-
Juozas Kisielaitis, 64, of S hrews- unit were ineligible to
obtain visas.
t
ghe
kom
misfar in the
Ukrainea
din
b ury , Fl
a, and P aul Bluemel, 83 , of
Ocala, Fla
. , are the seventh
and

Sher
said Bluemel
Jett Thurs
. tract,
ranking
over the G erman
ei ght h alleged
N azi w ar c r i m i nals day for Wes t Ger m any aft er c on li c e and U k r ai ni an
auxi li ar y poli c e.
per m anent ly r em oved
fr om
t he c edi ng t hat
he c ould
be
depor t ed Sher s ai d t hat fr om
July 1 9 41 t o
U ni t ed St at es by t he
depar t m ent
's
under feder al law
bar r i ng ent r y by 1 9 43, w hi le Bluem el w as
di s t r i c t
O ffi c e of Spec i al I nves t i gat i ons anyone w ho has
per s ec ut ed
c i vi l- k om m i s s ar at T s c hudnow , s ever al
since it w as estab lished in 1 9 7 8 to tans
.

thousand Jew s w ere murd ered b y

track d ow n Nazis in this country
.

Bluemel joined
the Nazi P arty
the G erman and U krainian police.

ab out 1 9 3 0 and
the Nazi SS that year

Bentered the U nited

Neal M Sher, d irector of the or the nex t year, Sher said
. He also States
Bluemel
e
Nov
. entered
office, said Kisielaitis, w ho hold s Ca- w as active in the SA, the Sturmab - 7
. 1 9 64 .
nad ian citizenship, w ent to Canad a teilung or
b row n- shirted
storm
recently rather than face
charges troopers,
and the
SD , the Sicher-
' W
ASHING TON ( AP I
P
resid ent R
visit to
eagan td ay d efend ed al his planned
c
emetery where Nazi
soldiers
a
are
burn
led , saying these sold iers w ere victims
of Nazism' just as surely as the victims
of th
C
anceling the visit
e concentration
c
amps. "
c
emetery at Bitbu g
during the his
lod
ry
European trip during
hi would
leave me looking next m
I had
onth caved
in
w
ould
in the face of soe unfavorab le atten-
tion
. I think that there' s nothing
w rong w ith visiting that
ce
metery
w here those young men are victims of
' azisin also, even
though
they
w ere
fighting in the G erman
u
niform,
eagan defends Ger m an
dead as
`
vi c t i m s
of
N azi s '
d rafted into
s
ervice to carry out the
hateful w ishes of the
Nazi. "

"But
there are 2, 80 0 graves there, "
s
ionD ur
t
in a
question- andanswer
ses

Reagan
said, "and
most of those the
id led

ed itors and
b roa
d casters In
.

average
a
ge is ab out 1 8
. These are

to a
White House luncheon,

those
young te
enagers that w ere con.
Reagan ac k now ledged
t hat about 30

s c r i pt ed, for c ed i nt o m i li t ar y s er vi c e
of the graves in

Y rv ch
those of SS troops the
cemetery

the closing d ays of the

Y are

w hen they w ere short of Thlrd

"
We' re the victord d
they' re , an n they' re
there, " the presid ent
ad d ed , "and
it
seemed to me that this could b e spit.
b ole also of saying
. . this
should nev-
er happen again
. "
A
A
A

DI ST RI BU T I O N EX P A N DS We now have t w o loc at i ons t o s er ve you

. We've opened a new
A

s ubdi vi s i on I n N ew O r leans t o bet t er s er ve t he eas t er n half of t he U

. S. i nc ludi ng t he M i dw es t ,
A

T exas , Flor i da and t he Sout h . Labels look i ng for bet t er di s t r i but i on i n t hi s ar ea and s t or es w ho'd
A

li k e fas t , c onveni ent s er vi c e s hould c ont ac t our T O X I C SH O C K Sout h/C ent r al

offi c e . T he
m i ddle of now her e w i ll be our s pec i alt y . C all our N ew O r leans offi c e at 504- 523- 459 3.
A
A
7 C
[1
:0 0 )
A
t
A
T I I

I I I (

I
I I

L\

J1
,

/~
EASTERN
( 2:0 0
( 3 : 0 0 )
S:
0 0
ATLANTIC
O ur P om ona C A m ai n offi c e w i ll c ont i nue t o pr ovi de all m ai l- or der s er vi c e as w ell as di s t r i but i on
for t he w es t er n half of t he c ount r y . O ur new
1 9 85 m all- or der c at alog i s now avai lable for S1 fr om
P . O
. Box 242 P om ona, C A 9 1 7 69
. For your di s t r i but i on needs c all 7 1 4- 620 . 6265 .
Labels and
fanzi nes s hould c ont ac t
bot h
our br anc hes for effec t i ve di s t r i but i on of t hei r pr oduc t .
4N EW! M YST I C
SA M P LERS
1 3 C U T S Fr om 1 3 N EW LP 's
r
7
7 C U T S fr om 7 N EW
Super 7 EP 's
LP
T H EG
. N . I
. M
.
`
N i T p4C

$2 . 00
$5
. 00

1 s t 1 000 i n BLU E VI N YL
1 s t 1 000 i n
RED
VI N YL
SEN D S
. A
. E. FO R C A T A LO G P P U SA I C A LI F add 6Y2 % s ales t ax
r
D U G M O DY M A I LO
+
RDER 'rP . O ~ BO X ,
21 4 C ar ls bad C q` 9 2O P 8
REVIEWERS
( JB) Jeff Bale
( D og) D ogtow ne
( P us) P ushead
( RS) Ruth Schw artz
( SS) Steve Spinali
( TY) Tim Yohannan
Send MRR your record or tape for review .
If possib le, send
. 2 copies of record s ( one
for review , one for rad io airplay) . With
tapes, only one copy is necessary, b ut it
must b e a "for sale" tape to b e review ed .
The ad d ress is: Max imum Rock' n' Roll
P . O . Box 288
Berkeley, CA 9 4 7 0 1
U . S.

U . S.

I. D . S.

U . S.

U . S.

U . S.

U . S.

U . S.

U . S.

U . S.

U . S.

U . S.

U . S.
BLACKJACKS- "Dress i n Black"LP
Thi s outfi t i s fromBoston and thi s i s thei r second
LP
. Theyhave i t over a lot of garage type bands i n that
theyhave a good sense of melodythat usuallygenerates
i nto snazzyli ttle hooks
. Unfortunately,they've deci ded to
go more i n that area and leave i n li ttle of the great dri vi ng
gui tar sound that made thei r fi rst LPso cool
. (Dog)
( Throbbi ng Lobster,P
. O. Box 205,Brookli ne,MA 02146)
BORNWITHOUT A FACE- "Frcakshow"cassette
A very hot tape,thi s one features 18 mostly
mi d- tempo hardcore assaults on all thi ngs evi l
. There's a
lot of power here,deli vered wi th authori ty
. The vocal
sound i s scaryand raspy,addi ng to the overall atmosphere.
Verywell done and well recorded
. (TY)
($ 4 to 2558 BorglumNE,Grand Rapi ds,Ml 49505)
CHRONIC DISORDER - LP
Fi nallyan LPfull of rawCHRONIC DISORDER
melodi es
. But these guys are onlymaki ng
=300copi es. Fast
and flui d,yet not thrash wi th a STIFF LITTLE~~INGERS
feel to i t
. Somethi ng went wrong on the mi xi ng board,so
the recordi ng lacks,but the effort i s reallythere
. Good
luck wi th thi s one
. (Pus
W
n) Wentzell, 63 0 G overnors Hw y
. , S
. Wind sor, CT
CLINTONS- "Gi rl Next Door/Dri ve Me Home"
A ni ce bi t of melodymi xed wi th a great trashygui tar
sound,somewhere near the DB'Sbut wi th more balls
. The
fli p howls along li ke a drunken REPLACEMENTSsong.
(Dog)
Coyote Records,c/o Twi n/Tone,445 Oli ver Ave
. S.,
4i nneapoli s,MN55405)
CLYNG- ONS- "Hi de Your Eski mos"cassette
Imagi ne Doc Dart of the CRUCFUCKS(hi s sharp wi t
and bi zarre voi ce) si ngi ng for the VANDALSwi th a '60's
punk gui tari st and a li ttle ANEMIC BOYFRIENDSthrown
i n for good measure. The result : totallyenjoyable punk
and thrash,wi th i ntelli gent and sati ri cal fvri cs
. (TY)
($ 6 to 205 E. 4th Ave. 4253,Anchorage,AK 99501)
CRAPDETECTORS- "Cut the Crap"LP
Even though the art work on the back tri es to ti e the
songs i nto a concept album,thi s i s just another cool effort
froma band that keeps cranki ng out trashyrecords
. Thi s
one i s a li ttle more mellowthan thei r last di sc,but i t's sti ll
worth the effort of fi ndi n

(Dog)
(Bvthe Ski n of Our Teel P
. 0. Box 6641,Li ncoln,NE
68506)
MEATMEN- "War of the Superbi kes" LP
Outflanked byG G ALLINon th outri ght perysi de
of punk,Tesco and co
. uphold the i ntelli gent i rreverent
si de of the genre
. And even i f musi callytheyventure i nto
metal,flamenco and other forms,thi s i s reall'
humorous/sati ri cal punk (atti tude) at i t's i nci si ve best
although there ar some pretty dark overtones and
self- i ndulgent meanderi nns (musi callyand lyri cally).
Wi sh I could playmost of thi s on the radi o
. (TY)
(Homestead Records,Box 570,Rockvi lle Centre,NY
11571)
LOST GENERATION- "Vi cti m"LP
A chunkypunk i nstrumental attack characteri zes the
latest LOST GENERATIONLP
. Despi te some overly
rocki sh parts,Vi cti m's soli d mi d- tempo sound,
multi - di mensi onal songs,strong hooks sung (rather than
screamed) vocals,and someti mes thoughtful lyri cs make i t
the best release bythi s band si nce thei r awesome debut El'.
(JB)
(Incas,272BenhamAve
.,Bri dgeport,CT 06604)
MENTAL ABUSE- "Streets of Fi lth"LP
MENTAL ABUSEperformthrash wi thi n some
longer punk song- structures,and what results i s a gri tty,
ki neti c,and hi ghlyenjoyable album
. It's di ffi cult to pi ck
standout tracks here,though "Rat Race" works well i n the
'77 mode
. Rambuncti ous and a hell of a lot of fun. (SS)
(Uri nal Records,RD 2,Box 200,Branchvi lle,NJ 07826)
OFFBEATS- "I Can See Your House From
Here"EP
Good roducti on reallyhelps someti mes,and i t's
ni ce to fi nallyreallyhear thi s band
. All four songs
whether thrash or punk,feature plentyof melodyand
musi ci anshi p,maki ng for hot li steni ng
. Reallyli ke Sad."
IY)
Oops!,P
. O
. Box 93747,Cleveland,OH44101)
RKL - "Keep Laughi ng"LP
Ri ppi ng! These RICHKIDSon LSD whi p out thrash
wi th some sli ght metal ti nges,lots of chan ges,and ti ght
musi ci anshi p The producti on i s excellent,too,whi ch
along wi th the occasi onallyspeci al effects reallyhelps out
matters
. Great li ve band too . (T1 )
(Mysti c,6277 Selma Ave
.,Hollywood,CA 90028)
MINUTEMEN- "Project : Mersh" 12"
A semi - seri ous stab at maki ng hi t records . So once
you get past the shock at heari ng horns,gui tar breaks,and
longer songs on a MINUTEMENrecord you di scover that
they're wri ti ng i ncredi ble son gs. "Ki ng of the Hi ll" i s the
centerpi ece wi th a full,complex structure and lyri cs that
bri ng poli ti cs onto a more personal level. Also a ni ce
mantra- li ke psychedeli c feel to "Tour Spi el,Part 2."
Dog)
SST',P. O
. Box 1,Lawndale,CA 90260)
RAGING FIRES- "A Fami lyThi ng"12"
Two of the four tracks here are prettyeclecti c,
uti li zi ng .
jazzyyand rock structures,and punctuated by
occasi onallytouggh female vocals and sudden up- tempo
punk sur es. The other two are a hot more ballsy,
espci allv ' You Should Read More Books." The super- clean
producfi on turns me off a bi t,but the si ngger's snarls and
i ntelli gentlycrypti c lyri cs save i t a hi t . (TY
((Pri sti ne Records,1b- C Hi ckoryVi llage,Hendersonvi lle,
fN37075)
MIR - "Mi ndeci si on"cassette
MIR means "peace" i n Russi an and that's what
preoccupi es thi s i ntense thrash band
. Both subject matter
and musi c are deli vered wi th Jots of energy and
commi tment . Ki cks ass! (TY)
($ 4 to Spencer Edmunds,2322Rosali nd Ave.,Roanoke,
VA 24014
REPTILEHOUSE- "I Stumble as the CrowFli es"EP
Veryaggressi ve post- punk mi ght be the best wayto
descri be thi s four- song release
. I hese medi um- paced
songs are dri ven bypunk si ngi n
g
,backed up bya melodi c
yet ravi sh ui tar- ori ented band
. The 1 ri cs are pretty
crypti c/bleak,but the musi c i s a bi t less depressi ng
especi allydue to the someti mes snappydrummi ng and
ri ngi ng* g ui tar
. (TY)
(Davi d Hi ll/Di schord Records,2Harvest Rd
.,Balti more,
MD 21210)
ROACHMOTEL - "What the Hell,It's
.. ."EP
I thought these guys broke up,but here theyare
agai n wi th si x tunes
. Four are ri ppi n ,two are slower
ppunk,and all are snarled out wi th heavydoses of sati re.
Enjoyable. (TY)
(DesfroyRecords,P. O
. Box 4927,Ft . Lauderdale,FL
33338)
MIRACLEWORKERS- "1000Mi crograms of
. . ." LI'
Wi th a ti tle li ke that,I was expecti ng to end up on
Jupi ter after li steni ng,but i nstead ended up asleep i n bed
by10PM
. Must be weak aci d cuz I di dn't hardlygot a
buzz
. Verytame shi t,no ki ck,cut thi n
. Gonna complai n
to mydealer
. .
.gi mme Swedi sh or Australi an for a real
flash. .
.thi s ai n't pure '60's Owsley! (TY)
Sounds Interesti ng,P
. O
. Box 54,Stone Harbor,NJ
08247)
MOD FUN- "90Wardour Street
" LP
MOD FUNhad an earli er si ngle that had a sharp,
snappysense of fun
. Therefore,1 was reallylooki ng
forward to thi s
. The band seems more contri ved now
;the
Press release descri bes themas a cross between the
1ACESInd 3
and
O'CLOCK
. ' S
but I
ome
hear more
hooks,ofbthe all i nSMALL
rettybland
. (Dou g)
(Mi dni ght,Box 390Old Chelsea Stati on,NY,NY 10011)
SARCASTIC ORGASM - cassette
An i nteresti ng ei ght- songg top a that combi nes
poli ti cal consci ousness wi th a VELVET' UNDERGROUND
perverse atti tude
. Musi callyi t's qui rkypop meets early
V.U. ( re- fi rst LP) meets No
'Wave
. Intelli gent all the way
around
. (TY)
($ 3to 3210- 17th St
. NW,Washi ngton DC
.,20010) MOOSEAND THEMUDBUGS- "Mi lk Crate Takeover"
12"
T
days fTpo
O
ver- pop1
wi hllthese
l foulrUson ,s
. Most
f ~of lthi sy
El'
i s unnotable - - Instrumentallyadept but somewhat geeky
i n the vocals department - - thou
g
h I enjoyed the
Farfi sa/gui tar combi nati on on the pleasant rocker,"20
Ashford
." Somewhat belowthe standard
.
. (SS)
(Arf Arf Records,P
.O
. Box 954,East Denni s,IA 02641)
SCENEISNOW - "Burn All Your Records"LP
Here's an eccentri c li ttle oddi ty
. Thei r earli er 45
had a charmi ng mi d- peri od KINKSsound,but thi s debut
LPi s just chock full of qui rky songs and odd
ti me- si matures
. The real g
ood spazzvmelodi es here mi ht
i nterest JONATHANRICHMANor 1IONZO DOG BAND
fans
. (Dog)
(Lost Records,361 Canal St
.,NY,NY 10013)
NRK - cassette
Reallyqui te good for a debut . Thei r sound i s
chargi ng hardcore,but wi th plentyof melodyand full
gui tars,not unli ke fellowmi d. westerners HUSKER DU.
hat touch of psychedeli c/metal adds a lot to thrash when
i t's not overbeari ng. (TY)
$ 3to 525 Elmri d 'e Ave.,Bankfi eld,WI 53005)
SHATTERED FAITH- "Volume 2"LI'
SHATTERED FAITH's fi rst LPwas an embarrasi ng
g
try at punk arena rock wi th i ts li ve recordi ng and
obnoxi ous MC
. They've come back wi th a sturdyli ne- up
and a respectable hard,fast sound
. They're ai mi ng*for that
1980UK punk sound that has eluded SOCIAL D for years.
Even a ni ce cover of the VIBRATORS' "BabyBaby
."(Dog)
(Slag Records)
SUBCULTURE- "I Li ke Gi rls,I Love Nature" cassette
Hmmm. .
.they remi nd me of a sli htly rougher
ADOLESCENTS- - defi ni telythat So Cal thrash wi th
shreddi ng musi c.,teen snottyvocals and melody,too
. If
theykeep worki ng at i t,they'll put out some wonderful
vi nyl. (TY)
($ 2to Chri s Phi lli ps,3721 WoosleyRd
.,Pfafftown,NC
27040)
OCTOBER FACTION- LP
It's gonna be reallyhard to be ki nd on thi s one.
What you have here i s a li ve "jam" recorded last year i n
San Franci sco
.

Basi callythi s consti tutes an SST

super #g
,roupp wi th members of BLACK FLAG,
SACCHARINETRUST,and the DESCENDENTS
. And the
musi c i s prettymuch sludge,maki ng thi s probablya lot
more fun to make than to li sten to
. (lo g)
(SST,P. O
. Box 1,Lawndale,CA 90260)
SUBSTITUTES- "It Crawled Fromthe Swamps"cassette
Folky- soundi ng rock that remi nds me of YO a bi t
. I
fi gured wi th a name li ke the SUBSTITUTESthey'd have a
WHO i nfluence,but the 're more on the melodi c si de.
Good sound quali ty
. (TYJ
($ 5 to Mark Stewart,Box 10003,Jacksonvi lle,FL 32207)
SUBURBANNIGHTMARE- "A Hard Day's Ni ghtmare
"
There's a fai r amount of goofi ng off here,but when
these guys get seri ous theyturn out some great Texas- style
'60's punk li ke "You Need Love," "EveryNi ght," and
"Mad wi th a
g
reat psych feel
. Thei r cover of "Brand New
Cadi llac"
shreds,too
. (TY)
(Mi dni ght Records,Box 390Old Church Stati on,NY,NY
TWEEDS- "No More/Part of the Game"
Everynowand then over the last seven years,the
TWEEDShave re- emerged wi th a tastyslab of pop vi nyl.
Thi s latest release
features an A- si de
that i ncorporates
snarly'60's punk vocals and senti ments wi th a pop- punk
structure andharmoni ca wai li ng
. The fli p i s more pop,but
sti ll okay. (TY)
(Arf Arf Records,P. O. Box 954,E
. Denni s,MA 02641)
U. S. CHAOS- "Eyes for an Eye/Don't Wanna Li ve"
Both si des of thi s EPare excellent soundi ng punk
rock remi ndi ng me of classi c NO ALTERNATIVEstuff.
Lyri cally,these guys are no geni uses. On the A- si de,for
example theyseemto be advocati ng capi tal puni shment
wi th a chorus of "Ki ll the Ki llers". . .I thi nk. I say"I thi nk"
because i t could be no lyri c sheet) "Ki ll the coloreds."
Hard to realll tell
. That wouldn't be on purpose,would
i t . . .guys?(TY}y
(131 Knickerbocker Ave ., Paterson, NJ 07503)
WORLD WORLD WORLD WORLD
WORLD WORLD WORLD WORLD WORLD
ALTERNATIVE- "If TheyTreat You Li ke Shi t . .
." LP
Entranced bythi s album,i ts styli ngs,approach,and
aggressi ve musi cal attack makes for a veryposi ti ve
creati ve sli ce of energeti c combusti on
. Dueli ng male and
female vocals,someti mes ei ther together or solo,make
i nteresti ng harmoni es as the lyri cs reallycharge home the
truth
. A great pi ece i n the tradi ti on of ANTHRAX,
INSTIGATORS,or the SUBHUMANS
. Ravi ngs galore.
Pus)
Corpus Chri sti ,P. O. Box 279,London N22ENGLAND)
'
orwi ch,Norfolk,ENGLAND)
B*STRIFE- EP
I3ETONCOMBO - "23Ski doo"12"
BETON COMBO represent an earli er style of
German hardcore,i n whi ch the power and hooks are more
subdued than the work of thei r contemporari es
. A soli d
pi ece of work
;sti ll,onlythe textured thrasher "Ich Kri eg
Di ch" leaves a real i mpressi on on multi ple li steni ngs
. Thi s
EP's not as i mpressi ve as thei r best recordi ngs
. (SS)
(Sounds Ltd
.,Sas uatch,Ei senacherstr
. 73,1000Berli n
62,W. GERMANY
BUTTOCKS- "Fucki n' i n the Buttocks
" LP
Thi s veteran German band treats us to a selecti on of
mostlyli ve and some studi o materi al,rangi ng from
1978- 81
. Most of these tracks showcase the BUTTOCKS
'
no- nonsense amalgamof aggressi ve punk and hardcore to
good advantage,though the superi or sound quali tyof thei r
studi o recordi ngs (fromthei r two EP's) shames the rest of
the LP
. Li mi ted edi ti on of 1000
. (SS)
(Wei rd System,Lange Rei he 101,2000Hamburg 1,W.
GERMANY)
COMA - "In A Coma"EP
More post- punk fromthe ADK label,thi s ti me i n a
KILLING JOKEvei n
.

It's well- done,but ulti mately

unexci ti ng
. (TY)
(ADK,JAPAN)
DIRECT ACTION- "Trapped i n a World" LP
Full speed ahead,thi s gemchanges wi th a rapi d beat
packed wi th stormi ng drumacti on and qui ck metalli c
gui tar li cks
. FromCanada,i t's not what you'd expect,as
each number i s laced wi th energeti c appeal and hollow
vocals
. For those who li ke i t ragi ng i n the speedcore
tradi ti on,thi s babysets the stylus afi re
. (Pus)
(Irate Facti on 110Bloor St
. W
.,#1801,Toronto,Ontari o,
CANADA M5
. 2W7)
DISPERZIONE- "Sempre"45
Itali an speed merchants goi ng all out to zoomout the
power chords i n the ri si ng Itali an fashi on
. Gri ttygui tar
sound wi th qui ck wacks and those tongue- i n- cheek twi sti ng
vocals
. Raw,i ntense and to the hi lt,thi s i s one good
record
. (Pus)
T
Camnasio Lura, Via Leonard o D aVinci 1 , Cantu ( Como)
20 63 , ITALY)
EATER - "Hi storyof EATER"LP
Thi s collecti on of classi c '77 UK punk i s not to be
mi ssed bythose who were too young byacci dent of fate to
enjoysuch classi cs as
"
Thi nki n' of the USA,"
"
Outsi de
Vi ew,"and tons more
. Get thi s!TY)
(Deborean Records,St
.Mary's Works,St
. Mary's Plai n,
DUKESOF STRATOSPHERE- "25 O'Clock"12"
Interesti ng. Li ke earlyPINK FLOYD meets mi ddle
ELECTRIC PRUNESmeets late YARDBIRDS
. In other
words,hi ghlyproduced but sti ll abrasi ve pop/ s chedli a.
Other i nflences are BEATLES(Revolver) EASYBEATS,
BEATLESagai n ("I Amthe Eggman ) . Okay,'67 was a
prettygood year,'but '68 blewguys
. Head back towards
66. (TY)
(Vi rgi n Records,ENGLAND)
For the most part,thi s i s a prettyunaccompli shed
outfi t,ragged around the edges
. But on two of the four
tracks,especi allyon "Fuck the ClumsyMetal," thei r charm
i nd speci al effects) come through
. (1'Y)
Skeleton Records,JAPAN)
O
BO DI ES I N P A N I C
JU LY 1 9 85 U
. S
. T O U R
"Get t i ng
T o
K now You T our "
JUNE 28th
JUNE 29th
JUNE 30th
JULY 1st
JULY 2nd
JULY 3rd
JULY 4th
JULY 5th
JULY 6th
JULY 7th
JULY 8th
JULY 9th
JUT. " 10th
JULY 11th
JULY 12th
JULY 13th RENO, NV.
C H EC K S

-
1- S'h ~ r ~ -,

3 OD IES
K
PANIC
WE ASE
A P0L IT/c L BRNL) WITH ASf/ZfOP/1t
/
M0
,,ppsox 6-87 'I
L .
a
'Y3ERN A RD
MLLE,
/~ 1T
X11E

U, s
. -SEN

COip[t EXTtW
STAMF ORD, CT.
CATASAQUA, PA.
HARRISBURG, PA.
OF F DAY
PITTSBURGH, PA.
COLUMBUS, OH.
CLEVELAND, OH.
MILWAUKEE, WI.
MINNEAPOLIS, MN.
OMAHA, NE.
OF F DAY
TULSA, OK.
WICHITA, KS.
DENVER, CO.
SALT LAKE CiTT, UI
.
'Y es,
(B
lr)
vac
. w~ i l bc,
o
r%
+our -141
; s Summer
Da y
ou~
rscl .e
a -ca 3 or-+
co- r+e
0141-
See
US.
1~r1-1-e ~-p
us - 4r
a
- free s- ~- ,'c ke, p n 1
seach
- For a
3or)3LP
or a red/
JULY 14th SAN F RANCISCO, CA.
JULY 13th SAN F RANCISCO, CA.
JULY 16th SAN F RANCISCO, CA.
JULY 17th MIDDLE COAST-CA.
JULY 18th LOS ANGELES, CA.
JULY 19th LOS ANGELES, CA.
JULY 20th SAN DIEGO, CA.
JULY 21st POMONA, CA.
JULY 22nd OF F DAY
JULY 23rd
D IlAs
TX.
JULY 24th HOUSTON, TX.
JULY

-it!1

BIRMINGHAM, 11 3.
JULY 26th ATLANTA GA.
JULY 27th S . CAROLINA 1 : )
JULY 28th RALEIGH, N . C.
0
z
A lt er nat i ve T ent ac les Rec or ds
P. O . Box 1 1 458
San Fr anc i s c o, C A 9 41 01
EX- HUMANS- LP
A prettyunexci ti ng debut,wi th an unenergeti c
'78- '79 punk and post- punk sound
. Perhaps some of that
mi ght be made up for lyri cally,as they are qui te
promi nent,but alas,i t's all Greek to me
. Then,
i nexpli cably,there's one thrash song that leaps out at you,
breaki ng

through the doldrums.

Hopefully,(hei r
upcomi ng LPwi ll be more challengi ng
. (TY)
(Eni gma,GREECE)
EXIT STANCE- "Whi le Backs are Turned"12"
Mi d- tempo Engli sh "peace punk" sound,heavyon
sli ck producti on and cockneyaccent
. Lyri cs are tough,but
the musi c rolls off the turntable too well- mi xed and
wi thout anyroughness to match
. Good,but not great.
TY)
Mortarhate Records,P
. O. Box 448,Eltham,London SE9,
ENGLAND
GAKIDO - "Pandora No Hako"EP
Thi s band seems i nfluenced byBri ti sh post- punkers
LEITMOTIV,and the two faster songs here represent good
examples of that taut,expressi ve style
. The other two
numbers mi ne a langui d mood I found- sleep- i nduci ng. (SS)
(No address,JAPAN)
IDIOTS- "The Call Us
. . ." LP
Thi s band opts for longer song structures,and a punk
style wi th moments of i nstrumental i nventi on and even
i ngenui ty
. Whi le the majori tyof thi s albumsustai ns a
melodi c approach,there are welcome blasts of thrashy
energyfromti me to ti me
;too bad the composi ti ons tend to
fall i nto an earli er,less accessi ble German style
. (SS)
M
i i
ullhei mer Records,Wei hdorferstr
. 8,7038
olzerli ngen,W
. GERMANY)
KAAOS- "Satkynukke"
EP
If you haven't heard thi s band bynow,where have
you been? KAAOShas

of vi nyl and tape out,and now

add vet another quali ty
Lai
i se
. Powerful HC. (1Y
(Barabbas Records,Box 483,90101 Oulu,FINLAND)
KENJI - "Hot" EP
Hard- dri vi ng pop- punk stri kes agai n vi a KENJI.
Two of the four tunes are too li ghtwei ght '78 for me,but
the two others ri p prettygood,i n,say,the tradi ti on of CH
3
. Better than thei r fi rst release
. (1 Y)
(Noi se RoomRecords,JAPAN)
NEUROTIC ARSEHOLES- "Angst"LP
At thei r best,the NEUROTIC ARSEHOLESdi splay
some styli sh and melodi c punk composi ti ons supported by
clever Instrumentals. Whi le less aggressi ve than thei r
debut LP,thi s one connects most of the ti me i t remai ns i n
that melodi c mode
;happi lythat's the majori tyof the ti me,
and classydi tti es li ke Du Russe" and "Kern Tag Ohne
Li ebe" attest to that
. (SS)
(Wei rd System,Lange Rei he 101,2000Hamburg 1,W.
GERMANY)
N
EUROTICS-
"Re
percussi ons"12"
Thi s seven song effort fromthe (NEWTOWN)
N
EUROTICSonce agai n
de
monstrates thei r adeptness at
the '77 punk style,though wi th less consi stencythan
efforts
. Thi s Fragi le Li fe" boasts a strong melodybuoyed
oi nt
more
a a subtlespop- pu kb erst1sPrettyi good
. (SS) a selecti on of
(Jungle Records,ENGLAND)
NUCLEAR - "Tape #2"cassette
Whi le the tape quali tyi s decent,the musi c i s more
than that
. The 14 or so songs are ki ller thrash,on the
noi sysi de,but ti ght at the same ti me
. Hope theydo vi nyl.
$ 1 to Holhei nstr
. 1,8900Augsburg,W
. GERMANY)
OLYMPIC SIDEBURNS- LP
Ou'lte a turnaround fromthi s band's earli er flacci d
release
. 1)on't be fooled bythe rockabi llyi mage of the
cover or ti tle
;thi s baby's got some classi c Australi an
R'n'R contai ni ng,elements of '60's punk,BIRTHDAY
PARTY,RADIO IRDMAN,etc
. Rocks out,and comes
wi th a free 12"
. Cool,and ri ght up there wi th the
NOMADS
. Comi ng out soon i n the U
.S. on Sounds Good.
TY)
NewRose,7 Rue Pi erre- Sarrazi n,75006 Pari s,FRANCE)
POISONGIRLS- "Song of Prai se"LP
I've been a POISONGIRLSfan fromthe begi nni ng,
but even I have to admi t that thi s albumi s thei r fi rst really
poor one
. The sons structures are funk/newwavi sh and
unfortunatelylack to melodi c or rhythmi c punch of past
efforts
;there's no real heart on thi s LP,ei ther.
Ulti mately,nearlyall of thi s albumi s uni nvolvi ng,despi te
some subtly- wri tten lyri cs
. (SS)
(Cl) Presents,1230Grant Ave
. #531,San Franci sco,CA
94133)
KIMAIRA - EP
The vocals are on the ghouli sh si de,deep and echoev.
The musi c i s slow- to mi d- tempo punk,and relati vely
uni nspi ri ng,but not i competent byanymeans
. Better at
droners than punkers
. (TY)
(Skeleton Records,JAPAN)
PSYCHOTIC TURNBUCKLES- "The Creeps/Energy
"
Si xti es punk meets wah- wah and earlypunk snarls.
Both si des pound awayat you,though the B- si de i s a bi t
more ri ppi ng,wi th a rave- u endi ng
. Onlydetracti on i s
the bass- heavyproducti on
.

fY)
(Vi - Ni l Records,AUSTRAL A)
MANNEQUINNEUROSE- EP
Defi ni telyon the KILLING JOKEsi de of li fe,thi s
band's forte i s dri vi ng poundi ng,strai ghtforward rhythms
and agoni zed vocals. For thi s genre,theydo i t well. (TY)
(Mannequi n Records,JAPAN)
MAUMAUS- "Fear No Evi l"LP
The MAUMAUSdi splayan adeptness at a wi de
vari etyof punk Pun
and
hardcore
k,and slow- fasts num
from
bers
. thrash
t

Happi ly,
heyperformi t all wi th authori t
y
and i ntelli genc
e
;I can
recommen
d
thi s vari ed albumwi thout reservati on
.
(SS)
(Rebelli on Records,ENGLAND)
RAPT - "Li ve i n Ecardenvi lle" cassette
Totallytuneless noi se thrashi ng
. I thi nk that even i f
I could hear what was goi ng on through the raw,unmi xed
recordi ng,I'd thi nk the same thi ng
. (TY)
(See French scene report for address)
REVULSION- "Ever Get the Feeli ng of Utter
. .
." 12"
Si x screams of revulsi on make up thi s debut,and
welcome shouts of frustrati on theyare
. Most are poppy
thrash tunes,strai ghtforward i n deli very,and done wi th

u
lots of energyand commi tment
. Whi le the songs so tend to
run on a bi t
-
long,theyare sti ll qui te enjoyable
. (TY)
(Radi cal Change Records,3Swan Lane,Norwi ch,
NGLAND)
RUDOLF'SRACHE- "Unrasi ert" EP
Hey,you! Howabout some more goofypunk from
Germany? 'The musi c? Well,i t's prettymuch the standard
balls- to- the- wall thrash band
. Sti ll,they've got a son
called "When the Beer Was Forbi dden" that's_ prettycoon
And theysteal fromgui tar ri ffs fromthe MOKEESand
that's rett funny
. And theylabel the record si des Hansel
and (retely. .and. .
.Hey,come back'
. . . .(Dog)
(Starvi ng Mi ssi le c/o Mi ke Just,

herese- Gi ehse- Allee

30/VI,8000Munchen 83,W
. GERANY)
TRANQUILLIZERS- "Paranoi a" EP
Rockabi llyi n the GENEVINCENT &BLUECAPS
tradi ti on
. What separates thi s fromPsychobi llyi s i ts more
tradi ti onal (except for the lyri cs) whi ch on two of the four
tracks,deal wi th more contemporarythemes
. (TY)
(Sti chti ng MysteryTrai n,Rembrandtlaan 121,3443EE
Wocrden,HOLLAND)
SCHWEINEPEST - "Wi r Wollen Leben" EP
Hot German thrash wi th i nstrumental punch and
gravellyvocals a la INFERNO
. Also,the songs have good
hooks and i ncorporate elements of
f other styles,e
.g.,a
reggaefi cd break i n the ti tle track and a rockabi lly- ti nged
lead i n "Bruno
." The results are excellent
. (JI3)
Soni c Georg- Treberstrasse 58,6090Russelshei m,W.
GERMANY)
VARIOUSARTISTS- "Dawn of a NewAge"cassette
A benefi t tape comp for the Ani mal Li berati on
Front,thi s i s a co- release fromBluurg and Sabotage tapes.
Arti sts contri buti ng are the SUBHUMANS,ATROX,
INSTIGATORS REALITY CONTROL PSYCHO
FACTION,POLITICAL ASYLUM,KULTURKAMPF,and
several others
. Good sound quali tyanct good musi c and
i nformati on. (TY)
($ 2 to Andv
;8 Sandli ng Ave
.,Horfi eld,Bri stol,B57
UHT,Avon,ENGLAND)
SEX PISTOLS- "And We Don's Care"EP
The SEX PISTOLSre- emerge fromthe vaults on thi s
three- tracker,whi ch features the gui tarwork of CHRIS
SPEDDING
. Mai nlya curi ousi ty(better demo tracks
appear on thei r A&M sessi ons),thi s EPboasts good sound
quali tyand some i nteresti ng,i nstrumentals on "No
Feeli n gs
." A ni ce i temfor PIS1 OLSfans. (SS)
(No address)
VARIOUSARTISTS- "France Profonde
" LP
Most of the bands here pump out pretty
e
decent
mi d- tempo punk,but there are a Tewreal gems
KIDNAPturns i n a wonderful si ng- a- long,
L'INFANTERIESAUVAGEhi ts wi th a real up- tempo Oi
number,and LESPORTE- MENTAUX turns i n a reallyy
great pop- punk number that combi nes HEARTBREAKERS
gui tar ri ffs wi th a classi c '77 Engli sh punk- style tune
. A
food release froma newlabel
. (TY)
)RAJ,I3P33,91 261 JuVi sy,,Orge Ccdex,FRANCE)
SHOJO NINGYO - flexi
Wei ll- done but uni nventi ve on thei r four thrash
tracks here,but get a li ttle more adventurous on a Ion
droner
. Also trythei r hand at a more melodi c fast pun-
tune
. Okay
. (TY)
(No address,JAPAN)
VARIOUSARTISTS-
"
Hi deous &Headchop'n"cassette
A thrash extravaganza fromstemto stern
. An
i nternati onal comp,thi s i ncludes ANT[- DOGAIATIKSS
LARM MOB 47,CERESIT 8,COLERA,CHRONIC
SUBMISSIONNEGA%IONEBURNING WITCHES,
KROMIZOM 4,DECLINO,BRISTLES,SKULLDIGGERS,
NIKOTEENS,and more
.

Qui te poweful,excellent
producti on,and hi gh fucki ng energy
. (1'Y)
(Mothra Producti ons,311 Cedar,Belli nghamWA 98225)
STEMS- "Make You Mi ne/She's A Monster"
Whi le both tracks here are fi ne examples of
fuzzed- out '60's punk,"Make You Mi ne" i s the real
stand- out
. Wi th strong i nfluences byrawR&B rockers
li ke THEM,thi s one totallywai ls
. Excellent . (TY)
(Ci tadel Records,P
. O
. Box 316,Darli nghurst 2010,
AUSTRALIA)
SURPRISESURPRISE- "Angui shed Heart/Walki ng wi th a
Zombi e
"
Both tunes are organ- domi nated pop punk,not my
fave type of '60
'
s rehash
. The B- si de i s a bi t snappi er,sort
of CASTAWAYSmeets B- 52'S
. (TV
)
(Method Records,AUSTRALIA)
TERVEET KADET - "The Horse"LP
Even

fi nd the
the gr at gi ta r work and

drummi ng
make upafort
i t.
di stracti ng,
TK's usual short blasts of thrash,as well as

some
metal- i nfluenced slower tunes and even a cover of the
STOOGES'
"
Search and Destroy
." Go see 'emthi s summer
i n the U
.S
. (TY)
(Barabbas Records,Box 483,90101 Oulu,FINLAND)
TOY DOLLS- "A Far Out Di sc"LP
The TOY DOLLSreturn to vi nyl wi th a

of
outri ght mani a unli ke I've ever qui te wi tnessed
. Whi le
general song quali tyi s a bi t lower than t
n
lethe
and
i r classi c
debut album,the band's cri sp pop- punk
unforgettable hi gh- pi tched voca
l
s make

rec d
d a
must
. "She Goes to Fi no s,"My

A
Vi car," and the hi lari ous "Commerci al Break
"
are classi cs.
Hysteri cal
. (SS)
(Volume Records,ENGLAND)
X CRETA - "13Recepti on. .
."cassette
Prettydecent but somewhat sti lted thrash. I say
sti lted i n that the drummi ng i s so repressed i n a chunky
ki nd of waythat the real power here doesn't qui te come
across. Otherwi se,i t's qui te all ri ght wi th excellent lyri cs
and some occasi onallyi nteresti ng changes . (TY)
($ 2to Peter Reynaert,Langestraat 152,1790Affli gen,
BELGIUM)
7 SECONDS ($4.50)
WA LK T O GET H ER, RO C K T O GET H ER
(BYO 01 0) A vai lable on C as s et t e
Here w e nave me' onow sp' o '
. aY
Years Me Crew , a Agm^ you w oe
b e d usaob omrea This 7 song E P s
conslom,memm. 'ones n 'oaecedbl
anMacKayeandrecoraec In DCMS
recomHas sometmng'or everyone
promthePi letrack'o !begreo' ver5mn
aI 99 TedBalloons Rereasea
b aMehcuon w rt b aser, Force
SNFUL`
.,
.($ 6.00)
. . . A N DN O O N EELSEWA N T EDT O P LA Y
(BYO 009 ) A vai lable on C as s et t e
Ilnully me d eb ut LP Irom one of
Weslern Canad a s gteul b ond s May
stinted to ocelot onenlrzm allot
Wmnonaer then b lazing aYur :k
against seaum Ieoimed on Iasi yours
highly acclaimed Something To
Bounce In comp Now w it mu 1 4
P uck LP w e know they II w on
b ecomeesio . sned us onoillel III o
long Ilse at lnsplmlg b ond s From Me
humorous Cunmb ul Cole . Ia Sires
Nol On Inn Merin lo the Ihuugnaul
Mlstorlune & Broken toy

tau
I
. Cad Is
a

HI lot y0 0 1 c' ullcCtlon

YO U T H BRI GA DE

BYO LO GO

ST RET C H M A RK S
SK I N H EA D

Red Bloc k on Whi le

A LLI GA T O R
Red Blue & Black on While

G reen Red While Yellow on Block

rl4Al1 'IM:'Pll lA1NIN:OF 11EIANADIINR.Y .O .- (FlllJ .l AI!IIIM;1111 RY Ili ,MII A
Qi FAP
IMrrA'11(API) .'J11FYWi ll,ISI',LIQNSIN
:All,NM R 11T11'd,Y 1!11 (AA ISYO
MUTE,
. Fl* MEE 1MO Wkl'D', 11) '111F LMNIIIIRAI' . All .
Qli C/O 111'II P,O .II)X 45,4
FIPIWI[TI. Al TA . . CANADA .
YO U T H BRI GA DE

BYO C O M P I LA T I O N A LBU M C O VER

YO U T H BRI GA DE
C O A T O FA RM S

Red Blue . Yellow Bloc k on Whi le

SI N K WI T H K A LI FO RN I JA
Red Yellow Block on w hite

Q Red Blue Black on While

ISIUN: 97N!!!I IATIQIUCrrl7INS(FIlT1 (11d't4NY>- 'C)ITN
FITS, OPENPARS,ISRATITi
'ID'I11INK RA /417111/1) SPEAK ".
Ex,( FUR1111' : IAIAYSWrDI (up T- 1. DRIE,IIIISMO(31JM(It7ID BERIO(I,VI7) RY
NM. 7 SHIMST,Sl(IXIS/r'WNF 'Ii I;FDi tN,lIfl
'RA ;F:IIaR" (UVIRIA'S(N/RFADY A11N
T A A N G! REC O RDS
P RESEN T S
N EGA T I VE FX

N EGA T I VE FX $6 . 00 u . s . A .
18 SONGS

$ 8
.00OVERSEA:
T A A N G5
TAANG#1 2,3,4,
$ 3.00 U.S.A.
$ 4 .00 OVERSEAS
M A ST ST A N D
GA N (T GREEN '
7"
SKATEBOARDS
&
ALCOHOL
$ 3.00
U.S.A.
$ 4 .00 OVERSEAS
T A A N G6
LA ST ST A N D
12"J .F
.K./
VIOLENT SOLUTION/
WHERE ILIVE
$4.50 U
.S.A.
$6 .00 OVERSEAS
T A A N G7