http://groups.yahoo.

com/group/JyotishGroup/message/34482
Mr. Kaul,

In a debate there is no place for words like errand boy. I am not the errand boy
who made your mother conceive you. You could have asked your mother had she
been alive today. Do you understand? You have vitiated discussions in the yahoo
groups, whichever you joined. You have called the great Varaha Mihira as the
gretaest Charlatan. If Varaha Mihira is a Charlatan then all the Kauls are
charlatans too. You need not prove Mr. Sreenadh to be anti-Vedic. If he is anti-
Vedic let him be. I am not born to correct all the anti-Hindu and anti-Vedic
people. You are the greatest anti-Vedic and Anti-Hindu and Anti-brahmanic
fellow. You are neither a Hindu nor a Brahmin. You are a shameless fellow. You
have no respect for facts. So many times I told you that Dixit and several other
scholars who lived in the colonial times had to submit to the ancient chronology
and consequent derivations produced by the colonial masters. Had they been
alive today they would have revised their views themselves. That is why they are
great people even if they were wrong in some areas. Tilak was wrong in his theory
of Arctic homeland of the Aryans and yet he is great as he did not accept the
Aryan Invasion Theory and wanted to come out with an alternative theory. I
salute him even if he was wrong in this particular matter. Had he been alive today
he would have withdrawn his own book on the Arctic home. These were
enlightened people. People like them do not stick to things even when they are
proved wrong. Vaman purana gives the nakshatras in the rashis. So rashis are
Nirayana and you idiot cannot understand that.

You escapist. When I asked you about the Saptarshi kala, which was mentioned
by Kalhana in the Raja Tarangini you shit your pants. Have some moral courage
you shameless fellow. You go on writing "Jai Shri Ram" but even Lord Ram will
not bend the truth. If I am speaking the truth I am sure you will be severely
punished by Lord Ram within a year and note the date today. The more you
misuse Lord Ram's name the more harm will come to you from today. mark my
words. Do you understand you idiot fellow.

SKB


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Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 12:17 PM
Subject: [scienceofastrology] Re: Worst Compromise! [1 Attachment]


Dear friends,
Jai Shri Ram!
Mr. Sunil Bhattacharjya is either a very cunning person or his eyesight is
extremely poor, or both, as otherwise he would not have waxed
eloquent,"Mr. Sreenadh never said that he did not believe in the
Nirayana calendar."
There was a simple and very pertinent question from Mr. Lalit Mishra
and that was, whether Mr. Bhattacharjya agreed with the views of Mr.
Sreenadh who had said, "In this article I have tried to show how
the origins of ancient Nirayana astrology can be tracked to
or associated with various geographical locations and
states within India and how and why
Nirayana astrology is of non-
brahmanic, non-vedic origin
and also how much it is of non-
north Indian origin."
In other words, Mr. Sreenadh is very sure that the origins of Nirayana
astrology/astronomy are non-brahmanic, non-Vedic and non-north
Indian! To put it more bluntly, Mr. Sreenadh has had the
courage to admit the fact that nirayana astrology and
astronomy is anti-Vedic, anti-brahmanic and anti-North
Indian.
I am attaching in a very bold and pdf format the original write up of Mr.
Sreenadh once again to help poor Mr. Bhattachajrya to be more than
just an errand-boy and face up to the fact that the nirayana astrology
and astronomy is really anti-Vedic and anti-brahmanic and even anti-
north India as per Mr. Sreenadh also!
With all the proofs that I have provided in hundreds of my
messages, nirayana is also anti-Pauranic and anti-siddhantic,
whether the Surya Siddhanta or Aryabhatiya!
Mr. Bhattacharjya, on the other hand, has, as per his habit, twisted the
entire topic and said, "Mr. Sreenadh never said that he did not believe in
the Nirayana calendar".
Why is Mr. SKB so blind to realize that Mr. Sreenadh is embracing
nirayana Rashichakra for astrology as well as calendar/asronomy simply
because it is anti-Vedic, anti-brahmanic and anti-north India? Why
does Mr. Bhattacharjya stoop so low to mis-interpret everything to suit
"His Master's Voice"!
<The Vamana purana defined Rashi in terms of the Nakshatras and this
conclusively establishes that the Rashis are Nirayana. >
Mr. Bhattacharjya has again gone back to flogging the same dead horse
of Vamana Purana talking of "fixed nakshatras" in spite of the fact that
he has been given enough of proofs that the Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis,
to which Ashvini, Bharni etc. nakshatras have been clubbed in the
Vamana Purana are so called Sayana, for the simple reason that the
Rashis, as given in all the Puranas including the Vamana Purana, are
ditto-copies of the Surya Siddhanta, which states that the six months of
Dakshinayana start from Karkata Samkranti and six months of
Uttarayana start from Makar Samkranti!
Mr. SKB has said further, "This idiot and crook Kaul wants to mislead
people by mixing up issues."
As the saying goes, a man is known by the company he keeps! These
nirayana-walas like Mr. Bhattacharjya flock to such forums, and work as
their errand-boys, as are owned either by Muslim gentlemen from
Bangladesh, (about which you can complain only to Lord Rex!) or by
someone who prefer nirayana only because it is anti-Vedic, anti-
brahmanic and anti-north India!
No prizes for guessing as to who the real idiots and crooks are, thus!
Jai Shri Ram!
A K Kaul


--- In JyotishGroup@yahoogroups.com, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
wrote:

Re: [JyotishGroup] Worst Compromise!

Dear Lalitji,

Mr. Sreenadh never said that he did not believe in the
Nirayana calendar. The original Nirayana calendar has to
stay undisturbed. Idiot kaul wants to dislodge the Nirayana
calendar as he does not understand the meaning of
Nirayana itself. Mr. Sreenadh has nop such intention.
Though he thinks that the Nirayana had a non-brahmin
origin, he does not oppose the Nirayana. The discussions
have been about the wisdom of maintaining the Nirayana
calendar. The Vamana purana defined Rashi in terms of the
Nakshatras and this conclusively establishes that the Rashis
are Nirayana.

While the brahmins were associated wirth the Vedic texts
there were a number of Vedic scholars with non-brahmin
connections. Vedavyasa's mother was a kaivarta woman
(boatman/fisherman community) so also was the mother of
Aitareya rishi and Matanga rishi. Matangas father was a
Vaishya. Valmiki was a hunter (a non-brahmin) and he
composed Ramayana, which has the status of Veda. There
were a number of shudras in the ancient times, who got the
brahmin status through their Tapa.

This idiot and crook Kaul wants to mislead people by
mixing up issues.

Best,

Sunil KB


From: AK Kaul <jyotirved@...>
To: Lalit Mishra <litsol@...>
Cc: asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com; sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@...>; Arun Upadhyay
<arunupadhyay30@...>; Dr Bhudia Kutch Science Foundation <kutchsciencefoundation@...>;
Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@...>; World Brahman Federation Canada
<worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; sastry.bvk@...; balachandra_rao@...; bharathgyan@...;
hinducalendar@yahoogroups.com; mukti_marg@yahoogroups.com; mail@...; S.C. Kursija
<sckursija@...>; Gayatri Devi Vasudev <gayatridevivasudev@...>; dr.p.v.vartak <info@...>;
Koenraad Elst <koenraad.elst@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; S. Kalyanaraman <kalyan97@...>;
neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@...>; Satish Oberoi <oberoi50@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata
<sptata@...>; vedic_research_institute <vedic_research_institute@yahoogroups.com>; Gopal
Goel <gkgoel1937@...>; scienceofastrology@yahoogroups.com;
jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com; akandabaratam <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2011 10:58 AM
Subject: [JyotishGroup] Worst Compromise!

Shri Lalit Mishraji,
Jai Shri Ram!
You had expected a straightforward reply from Shri Sunil Bhattacharjya
about the views of Shri Sreenadh that nirayana is anti-Vedic, anti-
brahmanic and anti-north India. And the reply you get from Mr. SKB is,
" I have not yet passed any comment on Mr. Sreenadh's write-up
Geography and the origin of Nirayana Indian Astrology".
As you know, the write up of Mr. Sreenadh has been around since April
30, 2009---i.e. for about two-and-a-half years--- but his "exalted
lrodship" Shri Shri Sunil Bhatacharjya is keeping his judgement
"reserved", whereas, in the same breath, he has passed his judgement
about Kaul "That crooked man Kaul wants to interpret things and
others' actions with his wrapped mind".
Mr. SKB is normally extremely quick in giving his "fast-tack
judgements"! For example, the moment he saw a post that Dr. Meghnad
Saha, N. C. Lahiri, Prof. Vaidya, Dr. Gorakhprasad etc. ---i.e. all the
seven members of the Saha Calendar Reform Committee-----had said in
one voice, "The nirayana panchangamkaers are under delusion that they
are serving dharm when actually they are committing the entire Hindu
society to adharma by their nirayana panchangas" Mr. SKB's immediate
"judgement" was "all those scholars were desha-drohis, and under the
influence of foreign powers"!
Sometime back, when he saw the mail that Pandit Sudhakar Dwivedi,
the famous Sanskrit scholar and astrolgoer from Varanasi, had said that
India was using sayana rashichakra originally for fasts, festivals and
muhrutas, "apart from astrology", Mr. SKB's judgement was prompt and
quick that Dwivedi had been bribed by British rulers to say like that!
Similarly, when it was pointed out to Mr. SKB that Pandit S B Dikshit,
the famous scholar of Mumbai, had said the same thing in his Bharatiya
Jyotisha Shastra that nirayana is useless and anti-Vedic, Mr.
Bhattacharjya lost no time to pass the judgement that Dikshit was not a
scholar at all!
And, whenever A K Kaul has raised the same topic that the so called
nirayana is not only anti-Vedic but even anti-Pauranic and anti-
siddhantic, Mr. SKB has used choicest epithets like "Idiot Kaul" or
"being funded by foreign missionaries for spreading adharma"! and so
on, in spite of the fact that AKK has produced all the proofs from the
Vedas, Puranas, Siddhantas, and even modern astronomy that what all
the scholars and scientists like Dr. Saha or S B Dikshit etc. had been
saying regarding the nirayana being anti-Vedic and ani-scriputral is
absolutely correct!
But about Mr. Sreenadh's write up titled "Geography and the origin of
Nirayana Indian Astrology", where Mr. Sreenadh has proved it
conclusively that the nirayana astrology as well as rashichakra are really
anti-Vedic, anti-brahmanic and anti North-India, his "exalted lordship"
Shri Sunil K. Bhattacharjya has "not yet pased any comment on Mr.
Sreenadh's writeup"!
I hope you understand by now that an errand-boy like "His
Lordship" cannot go against "His Master's Voice"---even if
that errand-boy has to kill his own conscience (if there is any
of it still left, which I doubt!) for the same!
And therefore I leave it to you and all the other readers to decide about
the comments of Mr. SKB "That crooked man Kaul wants to interprets
things and other's actions with his warped mind"!
I am sure it will not be difficult for you to decide as to who is really a
"crooked man" with a "warped mind".
And that is one of the reasons as to why I rarely if ever respond to "his
exalted lordship's" mails, because they are always as per "His Master's
Voice" instead of his own views! Some people are bound to work as
slaves, after all!
Jai Shri Ram!
A K Kaul


--- In JyotishGroup@yahoogroups.com, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
wrote:
Re: Worst Compromise

Dear Lalitji,

Please do not remain under the false impression that I have any bias towards Mr.
Sreenadh. When I think he is right I support him and quite a few times I criticized him
also. The criticisms have been constructive from my side. That is all that matters to me. I
have not yet passed any comment on Mr. Sreenadh's write-up ""Geography and the
origin of Nirayana Indian Astrology", . That crooked man Kaul wants to interprets things
and other's actions with his warped mind.

Best wishes,

Sunil KB


From: Lalit Mishra <litsol@...>
To: sunil_bhattacharjya@...; AK Kaul <jyotirved@...>
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<arunupadhyay30@...>; Dr Bhudia Kutch Science Foundation <kutchsciencefoundation@...>;
Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@...>; World Brahman Federation Canada
<worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; sastry.bvk@...; balachandra_rao@...; bharathgyan@...;
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Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: Worst Compromise
Dear Sunil Ji,

In order to counter AK Kaul's attack on truth of vedic scriptures, you seem to appreciate
cheap writeups of Srinadh, he is no better than Kaul and he too floats many lies manifold
like AK Kaul, Can you pls confirm if You support Srinadh's conclusion on his writeup -

"Geography and the origin of Nirayana Indian Astrology",

In which he concluded in the end - "In this article I have tried to show how the origins of
ancient Nirayana astrology can be tracked to or associated with various
geographical locations and states within India and how and why Nirayana
astrology is of non-brahmanic, non-vedic origin and also how much it is of non-
north Indian origin."

Isn't above is completely false, non sense writing, what do you think ?

I w'd suggest you to remember, If you are working for virtues, truth and vedas, don't
every compromise with one of such elements to fight with other similar element, at the
end they will hit you back, they will damage the truth.

In recent past, this guy Srinadh has written many humilating pieces on Vedas,
Ramayanas, Tulsidas, Sai Baba etc...

Lalit Mishra