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Mohamed Hersi was found guilty on May 30 2014 of attempting to join Al Shabab and counseling another person to do so. The wiretaps that got him in trouble. For the full story read: natpo.st/1wAXmBc
Mohamed Hersi was found guilty on May 30 2014 of attempting to join Al Shabab and counseling another person to do so. The wiretaps that got him in trouble. For the full story read: natpo.st/1wAXmBc
Mohamed Hersi was found guilty on May 30 2014 of attempting to join Al Shabab and counseling another person to do so. The wiretaps that got him in trouble. For the full story read: natpo.st/1wAXmBc
SUPERIOR COURT OF JUSTICE (Central West Region) BETWEEN: HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN Respondent - and MOHAMED HERSI Applicant EXCERPTS OF BODY- PACK INTERCEPTS VOLUME 3 MARCH, 2011 I I I I I I I I I I I 024 HERSI: I love Audis, man. If I had an Audi Id be just.. 1025 Honestly if I.. Honestly if I was a pirate, Somalian 026 pirate and I got my few hundred thousand dollars, first 1 027 thing Id buy is an Audi, you know? 1028 1029 They dont goon water though. (Laughs) 1030 i03I HERSI: You should read that article by whats his name uh 032 Sheikh Anwar Awlaki (ph). 44 of 121 I I I 1033 1034 Yeah, yeah, Ill get to it. 1035 ioio HERSI: Have you 1037 1038 For sure. 1039 1040 HERSI: ... it you see what it says you would be surprised on 1041 what it says. So think about it. 1042 1043 Gimme 1044 io HERSI: Think about the concept, right? 1046 1047 It ... Whats ah Like whats the idea, the base on 1048 it? 1049 oso HERSI: Basic idea is that uh.,. uh (Mouth noise) you can 105 steal. (Laughs) 1052 053 Whats the best way to go back you think? 1054 1055 HERSI: Go back on uh whatever goes uh (Makes mouth 45 of 121 I I I 1056 noise) If you can get down on Yonge, its good. If you I 1057 can get back on this over here. Go here. Go on toss Richmond and make a ra .. uh ya know? I 1059 1060 No, Richmond I think is the one.,. its a one way thats 1061 the problem. 1062 I 1063 HERSI: Oh yeah it is one way. 1064 065 Yeah, yeah. 1066 1067 HERSI: So just keep ongoing here straight then go 1068 .1069 Ill just go Ri 1070 1071 HERSI: .. back on Yonge... 1072 1073 Ill go right to the water. 1074 1075 HERSI: Go to Yonge. Go to Yonge right? Cause theres no 1076 entrance here. Go to Yonge, you get on the highway. 1077 All 078 46 of 121 I I 1079 (Unintelligible) I 1080 081 HERSI: .. this for some really fruity dude, right? But anyhow 1082 basically his... his... his whole.. his whole uh . . . uh 1083 .. . LIh article was about the fact that Muslims 1 1084 085 Mm-hmm. I 1086 1087 HERSI: ... can steal from non-Muslims because Muslims are 1 1088 at war with non-Muslims. And that since they are 1089 stealing from our countries we can in theory steal I 1090 from their countries. And it wouldnt be considered cL 1 1091 stealing because youre dis.aseesiig (ph) them of 1092 weath that they wouldve go on to killing of 1093 I 1094 Its... 1095 1096 HERSL ... Muslims, I 1097 1098 ... Its ... Its like uh an eye for an eye. f 099 I 00 HERSI: Essentially. 1101 47 of 121 I I I I I I I I I I I I I 1 I I I I I I HERSI: HERS1: HERSI: HERSI: 1102 1103 1104 1105 1106 II 07 I 108 1109 1110 till 1112 1113 1114 1115 1116 1117 1118 1119 1120 1121 1122 1123 1124 Thats what hes saying. Yeah. He says as long as theyre.. And if theyre.. if theyre peaceful with us then dont do it. Like if youre in Brazil youre not supposed to rob Brazilians in Brazil. But to Americans, he said the Americans they are supportive silently and openly of their government killing Muslims, right? Yeah. Cause theyre slaughtering people Afghanistan in Afghanistan, Iraq Iraq. Somalia. Forhow long? 48 of 12I r I I 1125 HERSI: (Unintelligible) 1126 j 1127 For... 1128 1129 HERSI: And people there are not protesting, they dont care. 1130 I mean theres a couple of people who are... who are 1131 protesting but the overwhelming majority they actually 1132 supported going in there, right? Theyve ... they f 1133 voted with J 1134 1135 Yeah, yeah. 1136 1137 HERSI: ...BUSH. They voted BUSH in a second time. 1138 1139 Ah-ha four more years. 1140 1141 HERSI: And they voted in this guy OBAMA. He didnt say he 1142 was ever gonna end it the Iraq war, right? No the 1143 Afghanistan war. He said he was gonna end the Iraq 1144 war but leave fifty thousand people there. Which is i 145 kinda its not like ending anything. He said ... hes 1146 basically at war with us, right? So the article says 1147 that, hey, if you can go take something, it will become 49 of 121 V I I I 1148 spo of war* for you, right? I 149 1150 Ihavetogoleft. 1151 1152 HERSI: Yeah, you have to make a left. Or you can go.. 1153 Yeah, you cant (Unintelligible) 1154 1155 I cant go straight. 1156 1157 HERSI Yeah so if you could it would just become *spoils of 1158 war* right, which means uh booty of war, spoils of ( 159 war. 1160 1161 Mm-hmm. 1162 1163 HERSI: You know? And if you can take it without even I 1164 fighting then it become (UnintetttgThfe), right, which 1165 means just something thats there, right? (Laughs) So 1166 you could take it without ... And then youd have to i 167 give.. make a ho ... make a right 168 1169 Yeah. 1170 50 of 21 1 HERSI: So his premises was very interesting. I dont know how many people will follow out with it. 1182 ii (Unintelligible) 1183 HERSI: I think that people will think its controversial cause its like why would you rob random person, right? Hes not saying rob a random person. But anyhow read that article. Its ,.. Its (Unintelligible) You said its like towards end. I havent ... I just havent gotten there. HERSI: Its like a lot of pages. Hell give you proofs from the Quran and Sunna and then you think about it. Think 51 of 121 1171 HERSI: If you cant 1172 1173 I think I could take this right to the Gardiner 1174 1175 HERSI (Unintelligible) 1176 U 1177 1178 1179 1180 1181 then the Gardiner will take me to I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I 1184 1185 1186 1187 1188 1189 1190 I 191 1192 1193 I I I I I<4 about ii. But its very interesting. Its controversial, 195 very controversial. 1 1196 I 1197 To say the least, yeah. But its knowledge, right? We... 1199 I 1200 HERS1: I dont know ... I dont know if youre supposed to just 1201 rob random people. Thats just ... ahh ... I dont 1202 know. I ... not ra,.. random people but I mean like 1203 rob a random American. 1204 So hes saying to do that? Hes not taLking about 1206 (Unintelligible) 1207 1208 HERSI: Its ... If you take the money ... If you were to go to a 1209 store or like a random (Unintelligible) 1210 1211 So hes talking to people in the West then? 1212 1213 HERSI: In the West. 1214 1215 Okay. 1216 52 of 121 I I I 1217 HERSI: Specifically in the West. A lot (Unintelligible) 1218 j 1219 For some reason 1220 1221 1-IERSI: (Unintelligible) hes saying hes like saying 1222 1223 ... I thought you were talking about 1224 1225 HERS!: ... youre not supposec to do this to ... hes saying 1226 youre supposed to do this in the West cause then 1227 then take some of that money and youre supposed to 1228 give it to the people in the East 1229 1230 I dont 1231 232 HERSI: ... to support them. Not all of it but only like your 1233 Cause itd be like you keep four fifths for yourself and 1234 you give twenty percent to them cause itd be like the 1235 premises of *spoils of war* which would be 1236 1237 Yeah. 1238 239 HERSI: ... you give a *fjfth which is one fifth to the .. to the 53 of 121 I I I I 240 amir of the Muslims or to the Muslim leaders, right, 1241 and theyll take that money and re-invest it into the, 1242 you know 1243 1244 Yeah. 1245 1246 HERSI: ... into the effort down there, right? 1247 j 1248 See my... my understanding was you were 249 Referring 1250 1251 HERSI: Like the Prophet *Allahs peace and blessings be 1252 upon him* said my... my... my sustenance is under 1253 the shade of my sword, right? And it was true J 1254 because Muslims at the time were... the reason 1255 Muslims got rich, right, in the Prophets time is 1256 because they fought the *disbelievers* and whatever 1257 wealth they had would be split amongst Muslims, 1258 right? 1259 260 Mm-hmm. 1261 262 HERSI: And that money wouldve been *lawful * for them 54 of 121 I I I I 1263 cause Allah says makes it *lawfUl for them, right? 1264 Cause the disbelievers * they would take from you 1265 too. They still do today, right? Theyre doing it in 1266 Canada in 1267 1268 I dont know 1269 1270 HERSI: . ..America or... 1271 1272 ... how to get outta here. 1273 i74 HERSI: .. whatever, right? And he says youre allowed to 1275 take interest even from a *disbeliever. * Normally 1276 youre not supposed to take interest, right? 1277 1278 ASS Yeah cause its *prohibited * 1279 1280 HERSI: Its *prohibited. * But youre allowed to take even 1281 interest from a *disbeliever * if... if its going to the, 1282 you know, that kind of thing, right? But its like.., read 1283 it, its very, very, very intellectual, right? Its a very 1284 interesting article. Ah eh 1285 55 of 121 I I I I 286 See my ... for some reason I thought you were... 1287 cause were talking about pirates before so I thought 1288 youwere... I 1289 1290 HERSI: But they would even ... even support of (Stutters) 1291 Allah as long as their intentions are for Islam. Most of I 1292 the pirates are drunks, right, and on drugs... 1293 1294 See thats I 1295 1296 HERSI: ... right? 1297 I 128 ... what I thought you were talking about. I thought 1299 you were referring to it in that respect. If you can take 1300 1301 I 1302 HERSI: In that sense is ... Even in that sense I 1303 304 ... take 1305 1306 HERSI: . . .too you could do that too but the problem is those 1307 pirates, Im not saying theyre drunks, but they do , 1308 drug, they do qat(ph) you know? 56 of 121 I I I I 1309 1310 Yeah, yeah. 131) 1312 HERSI: They take it and they spend it on prostitutes and shit, 1313 right? Thats not exactly for Islam, right? 1314 1315 ERH No. 13)6 1317 HERSI: They dont give twenty percent. Some of them 1318 actually gives twenty percent to, you know, Al- 1319 Shabaab right? 1320 321 Yeah. 1322 1323 HERSI: So those guys ... some of them Im sure are 1324 supportive of them, right? Im sure some pirates are 1325 like hey why not well give twenty percent you, keep 1326 e... eighty say... percent for us. Were still 327 328 - Which is still 1329 1330 HERSI: . millionaires, right? 1331 $7 of 121 I I I I I 1332 ... a lot ... a lot of money. 1333 1334 HERSI: And hey they get *rewerd * for it too, right? j 1335 1336 (Unintelligible) I I I33 HERSI: So the more they do it its like a reward. So theyre 1339 actually happy. Theyre like, yeah, as long as. And 1340 Al-Shabaab cant demand more twenty percent. They I 1341 cantcause it would be un-Islamic at that point, right? 1342 1343 Mm-hmm. 1344 345 HERSI: You know cause theyre taking it forcefully from J346 you know? You cant do that, so they only 1347 1348 Uh, shit, this is the same way. 1349 1350 HERSI: Yeah, were going the same ... just go straight. Just 1351 go straight on this road cause this the Don Valley 1352 1353 Yeah, it say... it saying 1354 58 of 121 I I I I I 1355 HERSI: ... straight. I356 f 1357 ... Don Valley but I ... I cant go straight on this, this I 1358 time I gotta turn. 1359 ( uoo HERSI: Make a left. Make a left then.., then go... I 1361 1362 (Sound of car turn signal) 1363 I 1364 HERSI: Those pirates are funny characters, you know? So I 1365 have my ticket booked. I ... Like I know the exact 366 plane is, British Airways, you know? 1 dont know if I I 1367 should be flying with the British ... (Laughs) I went 1368 with it one time and every time I landed in London... J 1369 1370 You haveit... 1371 f 1372 HERSI ... they give you crap. 1373 1374 .. booked or you dont... you dont book? 375 1376 HERS1: What? 1377 59 of 121 I I I I 1378 You said you have it booked. 1379 1380 HERSI: What do you mean booked? I 382 Ithought you said it wasnt booked. j 1383 I 1384 HERSI: I have it booked without spending the money, 1385 (Laughs) you know. 1386 I 387 Oh so you reserved your seat. J388 1389 HERSI: Exactly. I 1390 1391 Okay. 1392 I 1393 HERSI: But Im just have to drop the seven-fifty. Seven-fifty- 1394 seven actually and sixty something cents. They tell f 1395 you the exact amount. I 396 l Oh you gotta know. 1398 1399 HERSI: They told me theyre giving me a two-dollar discount. ( 1400 III show you. Its so ironic eh? 60 of 121 I I I I j 1401 1402 (Laughs) 1403 1404 HERSI: Im like, what do you... what do you mean two-dollar 1405 discount? Whats so special of two dollars? You j 1406 know? Why not thirty or forty? You know? 1407 1408 Just make it a hundred. 1409 1410 HERSI: Yeah just make 1411 1412 Thats a discount. 1413 1414 HERSI: . it a hundred. Well round it out to seven ... seven 1415 hundred a least, you know? But its actually pretty 14J6 cheap relatively, you know? 1417 1418 Yeah, thatis reallycheap. 1419 1420 HERSI: What about you? You gonna... (Makes mouth 1421 sound) You bought already? Like you have ... Are 1422 you gonna pick your date June second? Or... 1423 61 of 121 I I I I 1424 Im thinking like June 1425 1426 HERSI: Ill tell you as advice, try to book it at least a month in 1427 advance. Its better for you. And try to book it with a 1428 credit card. Its betterforyou on that sense, right? 429 io IA5E Why is that? 1431 1432 HERSI: Cause if you ever book things with just cash and you 1433 book it in a short notice thats red flag central right 1434 there. And youre gonna go 1435 1436 Really? 1437 1438 HERSI: be put on some no fly list, yeah. Theyll say Muslim 1439 guy with cash. First of all where do you get all this 1440 cash from? Second of all why is he spending cash? 1441 And why is he booking it so late, right? You put a 1442 month in advance, you know, even a month and a 443 half theyll say okay hes going on a trip, you know? 1444 But you put ... and ... and if you only take like you 1445 know small possessions with you, it kinda looks bad 446 on you, right? 62 of 121 I I I I 1447 1448 So like what.. Okay see now thats what I was 1449 gonna ask you, what do you actually plan on 1450 bringing? 1451 1452 HERSI: Bringing all my clothes. Stuff. My laptop. 1453 1454 And just clothes? 1455 1456 HERSI: Clothes, laptops uh any ... (Laughs) anything I can 1457 bring that is carry-able, right? Electronics, my iPod. Obviously Im not gonna bring like a TV cause that 1459 would be kinda... Im not gonna bring a cat cause I 1460 dont have a cat. Ill bring whatever I can bring. f 1461 1462 Is ... is there like any other uh ... Actually its funny 1463 you mention that. I think I have it here. (Rustling 1464 sound) I took this from work. You ever.., you ever 1465 gone here? 1466 1467 HERSI: What is this? 468 469 Like Bass Pro. 63 of 121 I I I I I 1470 147] HERS!: Oh shit this is nice. What... What are you gonna get 1472 from Bass Pro? I 1473 1474 Well no I I I 1476 HERSI: Get like a fishing rod? 1477 1478 Yeah. I 1479 1480 HERSI: (Laughs) 1481 I 1482 (Laughs) Yeah a fishing rod. 1483 1484 HERS!: Oh yeah. 1485 1 1486 Keep looking through the pages. 1487 1488 (Sound of paper rustling) I 1489 I i4o HERS!: (Laughs) Ooooh 1491 1492 Theres some like cool stuff in there. I was like... 64 of 121 I I I I 1493 1494 HERSI: What the hell? Thats sixteen-ninety-nine. What is 1495 that? 1496 1497 (Sound of paper rustling) I 1499 HERSI: You know you really cant just buy this off the shelf. 1500 1501 (Mouth noise) No you see (Unintelligible) if you buy a 1502 ... a firearms license. 1503 1504 t-IERSI: You have PAL (ph) right. 1505 1506 Yeah. 1507 , 1508 HERSI : Grsth+-ye*acquisition? 1509 1510 Mm-hmm. 15)1 1512 HERSI: What the hell is that? Barretta Black Water 1513 1514 But anything, you know what I mean like 1515 65 of 12) I I I I 1516 HERSI: But I wouldnt 1517 j 1518 ... anythingelse... 1519 1520 HERSI: ... advise you to get this, man. Its gonna kind of look 1521 weird once youre on .. on board. 1522 1523 So youre not gonna 1524 1525 HERSI: No, no, no. 1526 1527 You think 1528 1529 HERSI: Thats gonna make you look suspicious. Plus they f 1530 have that kind of stuff over there. 1531 1532 Yeah. 1533 1534 HERSI: (Unintelligible) 1535 1536 But you... accessible... As accessible down there? 1537 1538 HERSI: Down there .., Yeah, you can get it. If ... I was 66 of 121 I I I 1539 reading an article about Somali pirates 1540 1541 Yeah. 1542 1543 HERSI: and these guys have uh if SomaH pirates can 1544 get it anybody can get it. 1545 - 1546 Yeah but theyve got a bit I 1548 HERSL Somali 549 1550 more money. 1551 1552 HERSI: No, no, Somali pirates are not richer than 1553 Al-Shabaab. Trust me theyre not. If Al-Shabaab is 1554 They control ports right? 555 1556 Okay. I 1558 HERSI: Contro they get they get millions of dollars in 1559 revenue. They they force the pirates to give them 1560 some revenue cause theyre legally they have a 1561 right to take ienty percent, right? And its not like 67 of 121 I I I 562 like a criminal thing. Its like the... the right that Allah 1563 placed upon them cause they have to help that 1564 money and give it to the poor and the needy, right. So 1565 trust me, they have this stuff. The only thing I would 1566 advise you is take cash with you, man. Take cash 1567 with you to Kenya, right, cause when you go on a trip 1568 to Kenya use that. Pay cash. Cause Kenya also has 1569 a lot of things you can get there. You go to 1570 1571 Yeah. 1572 1573 HERSI: ...-tsttgtr(ph), 1eih (ph) you can get anything in the 1574 market. 1575 1576 For cheap? 1577 1578 HERSI: For pretty cheap. You can pretty much get anything. Anything thats being sold in the world you can get 580 there. If you want and iPhone you can get and 1581 iPhone. 1582 1583 I think I missed a highway. I 68 of 121 1 I I I f 1585 HERSI: I think you did. Which kinda sucks. No I think you 586 gotta keep on going straight. 1587 1588 Oh yeah its right after the bridge think. 1589 i9 HERSI: Yeah. But anyhow ... Did you leave the lights on or 1591 something? 1592 1593 Yeah, I was looking at it last time. I couldnt find it. I 1594 1595 (Rustling sounds) 1596 I 1597 HERSI: I think that only ...Oh theres another button there. 1598 1599 Yeah. (Unintelligible) I 1600 1601 HERSI: Close the door, man, thats kinda dangerous j 1602 I 1603 No, Im trying to a get some sort of light so I can see 1604 but it wont go on. f 1605 1606 HERSI: Okay go straight. Dont worry about it. I cant even 607 really read what this is. When we go to Best Buy well 69 of 121 I I I 1608 check it out. 1609 j 1610 (Mouth noise) 1611 1612 HERSI: Trust me (Laughs) I wouldnt advise you to ever pack 1613 thisstuffwithyou. 1614 1615 I wasnt thinking of packing it. was thinking of uh 1616 gettingit... t 1617 1618 HERSI: Shipping it? 16)9 1620 ... sending it in advance. 162) 1622 HERS1: If you do that thats probably better for you. 1623 1624 But youre saying that theyll have it, so 625 626 HERSI: No, no, but if youre gonna package it and send it like 1627 that 1628 1629 Yeah. 1630 70 of 121 I I I 1631 HERSI: ... I wouldnt mind. I would... I... I... I would.. I I 1632 would.. is,.. See the thing is you can do it, you can 1633 do it, man. Do whatever you think is in your interest, 1634 man. I 1635 1636 But if I dont have to spend the money. 1637 1638 HERSI Save the money and probably you can get it there for r 1639 cheaper. In Somalia you can buy anything, man. In I i&io China you can buy anything. Like this would cost like 1641 one tenth of what it would cost here. 1 1642 1643 (Laughs) Obviously yeah. 1644 16.15 HERSI: Yeah this is like a scam. Everything here is artificially inflated, you know? So you can get like a... a pistol 1647 for like a hundred bucks, man. Theyll charge you like 1648 seven eight hundred dollars probably for a pistol, 649 right? 1650 1651 S Mm-hmm. 652 153 HERSI: What the fuck is this? This is a scam. Who the hell 7101121 I I I 1654 would spend almost two thousand dollars on a freekn i65s (ph) ... Is that a shotgun? 1656 1657 Looks like it. Yeah. I think I 1658 1659 HERSI: (Unintelligible) f 1660 1661 SE ... I think it is a shotgun. 1 1662 1663 HERSI: Yeah, it is a shotgun. Better be powerful for two 1664 thousand dollars. You can probably get one a small 1 1665 (Unintelligible) 1666 1667 _________ Yeah here 1 1668 1669 HERSI: ... three four hundred bucks, you know? 1 1670 ( 1671 Im sure it hurts your shoulder. 1672 1 1673 HERSI: Im sure its probably better if you were to buy your I i 674 own stuff down there. 1675 1 1676 So I dont have to worry about it then. 72 of 121 I I I I 1677 1678 HERSI: Just ... just take cash with you. Remember dont ever 1679 take over ten thousand. Thats a problem. 1680 1681 Yeah it was like three or four thousand you were 1682 saying is best to have on 1683 1684 HERSI: Even under ... even under ... If you were to take nine 1685 thousand it kinda looks suspicious. Take three four 1686 thousand. . its your trip. Put some on like a debt 1687 card or you could transfer it. If you know what J 1688 1689 Yeah. 690 1691 HERSI: you know what I mean? Just have an account to 1692 transfer to another account over there. Wire transfer, 1693 right? You know what I mean? 1694 1695 Yeah. 696 1697 HERSI: Just talk to your ban ... bank In advance and youre 1698 allowed to do that, right? Or even to DEHABSCHILD 1699 (ph) you can send it to DEHAB ... DEHABSCHILD 73 of 121 1 I I I 700 (ph) right? You can tell DEHABSCH1LD (ph) hold 1701 money for me or... and send it over there for me on 1702 this day, you know? As long as its a certain amount I 1703 ya know like two three thousand? It would be better if J 704 you do that. Pay them like ... its gonna cost you like 1705 uh probably like seventy eighty bucks to send two 1 1706 thousand dollars but be less of a hassle, you know? I 1707 And I cant even see any of this. A fishing rod ... iios need a fishing rod, man. Ive never gone fishing in 1709 my life. You know that? 1710 711 Ohyeah? 712 i713 HERSI: Its pretty sad oh? I 1714 I 1715 Theres a lot of things you havent done. 1716 1 1717 HERS I: I havent done ... cause I live friggin city man. I 1718 didnt wan ... you lived in a village, grew up in a I 1719 village (Unintelligible) 1720 1721 Oh here you go. Youre punking me again. 1 722 74 of 121 I I I j 319 I 320 HERSI: This... Yeah this picture was... is not like that old, 321 right. Maybe this is like... Yeah (Unintelligible). I 322 323 You dont know him, you just knew he... from hearing 324 about it. 325 326 HERSI: No, I know... I know him from *peace be upon you 327 (Unintelligible) I 328 329 Jright. f 330 I 331 HERSI: Now I do know couple (Ufiifdethgibe) like my personal 332 friend. Ill tell you. This guy... (Laughs) I dont know... 333 (Unintelligible) 334 335 You dont know if I wanna what? As what? ( 336 337 HERSI: Listen, check this out, this guy went to Somalia. 338 (Unintelligible) See him right here, hes one of the guys who went to Somalia, Hes actually in Somalia
340 (Lkiin.tethgible) hes on Facebook. See that? This is
341 (Unintelligible) right here. 14 of64 I I I I 342 343 _________ He went from Toronto? I 1 HERSI: Yeah he use.. used to go to my *mosque * same 344 high school and everything. Like I think a year .1 347 younger than me. 348 349 IA Yeah. J 350 I 35t HERSI: Hes got the beard, the *turban * Hes in Somalia 352 right there, you can see hes in Somalia, right, the 353 background, hes in Al-Shabaab (ph) camp. (Laughs) I Nice. What? What kind of first name is that? I 357 HERSI: Thats his nickname. His real name is not Maa4(ph) I kb y C c r 358 His real name isAd-alean (ph). 1 3 Doesnt it say... 361 362 HERS!: (1kif?+eHigib1e) means light skinned in Somalia, right, 363 cause hes lighter skinned. 364 15 of 64 I I I 365 Oh yeah? 366 I 1 367 HERSI: Yeah thats what it (Uffuiieffigitle) Cause I guess his ( 368 brother... his brother is really dark, right, his brother. 369 1 370 is it the same both parents? f 371 372 HERSI: Huh? 1 1 374 Same both parents? 375 376 HERSI: Same parents, same parents, one is really dark, one I is really light. 378 1 Oh. 380 l I 4.fl +L_r 381 HERSI: UniteWble) ( 382 383 Do you still talk to him though? I 384 385 HERSI: Im not gonna add him on Facebook 386 387 Oh. 16 of64 I I I 388 389 HERSI: dont wanna get like.. .they stop me and say what 390 the hell are you doing here? One other guy I know 39! hes like (Unintelligible) he was trying--- he was trying 392 to add my other friend here in Toronto, right. 1 394 But wisely--- 395 396 HERSI: ... Recently. Hes like Im not gonna add him. Were 397 still friends but Im not adding him while Im in 39X Toronto. (Laughs) I dont want no problems. I dont 399 want no problems. 400 401 Yeah. 402 403 HERSI: If... If Bin Laden (ph) was my brother (Unintelligible) 404 r5 1 405 Yeah its... its almost ibce not to Facebook. 406 407 HERSI: Mm mm. 408 409 Like... 4W 17 of 64 I I I
.i i HERSI: Facebook is not exactly the best (UirteUibIe)
412 1 413 Yeah. I 4i5 HERSI: Its like they catalogue all the pictures of you. They 1 416 record your conversations... 417 418 Pictures and... All your pictures that you upload and J 419 stuff like that. 420 421 HERSI: Yeah. 422 423 Theyre not yours. Like they can use them as they 1 424 wish. 425 I 426 HERS1: Yeah, I only added one picture in my Facebook, thats 427 just my main.., main picture, its small and you can ,\ ,y(tr I 428 probably find that (I le) (Laughs) 429 1 430 431 432 HERSI: It was like a picture that--- Im not gonna add too 433 many. I might add a couple of pictures, childhood 18 of 64 I I I 1 pictures, but thats all Im gonna do. Im not gonna 435 add modern pictures. 1 436 1 So hes over there cause hes--- hes already sale 438 and hes made it. 1 440 HERSI: Hes been there... 44 442 ... So hes... 1 444 HERSI: . . .for about a year and a half. I I 446 So hes trying to add people? Does he not realize the 447 trouble he get him in or he just? 448 I 449 HERSI: . ..I dont know, I dont know. I dont know if hes 450 realizing that but hes in that picture. You can see him 45 in a shed in Somalia, right. 452 1 Yeah. 1 455 HERSI: Wearing you know... 456 19 of 64 I a I 1 Traditional... I 458 459 HERSI: . ..Yeah so doesnt kinda look exactly smart. But hey 460 hes a good brother, I remember him, we used to go I 461 to high school together. Hes a quiet guy, very quiet, 462 extremely quiet. Like you talk to him, you say wha 463 (ph) *pea be upon you, * whats up, how you 464 doing? (U tet1i4e-My personal relationship wasnt I & i 1 - 465 that eoel-with-bia -with-each other, you know, just 466 chilled, but hes very quiet. 467 us.\. a.r j 468 (Uiiite1I4gi1e) youll meet him again though. I 469 470 HERSI: You never know. Maybe. Maybe hell pass away 471 before I do or I pass before he does. Who knows, if 472 Allah... 473 f 474 ___________ But you know thats not the end, right. I 476 HERSI: Yeah, you maybe see him in *paradise * .J (4J1eUg4Ie) you never know. Hes a good guy, I tell $ -, 478 you that. We used to go to Churchill together. I 20 of 64 I I I 480 I swear I almost thought you said you use to go to 481 Church together (Laughs) and I was like what? 1 482 I 483 HERSI: Churchill, Winston Churchill. 484 1 485 Yeah your high school. I 486 (\s 487 HERSI: ... Me and him, Geftd4e, remember Gendce, the guy I 488 was telling you about, the other guy? I 489 490 The... You talked to him before... 491 I 492 HERSI: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 493 I (Unintelligible) he passed. i 495 496 HERSI: . . . He went there. A couple of other guys. Ah one or f 497 two other guys I know also went there but not them I 498 too well. I know those two well. This guy and Ahmed 499 (ph) and then I know some other guy but not too well. They say five or six guys across from Toronto went. I 502 Before. 21 I I I j 503 504 HLRSI: Two thousand nine, 505 506 Oh recently. 507 SOS HERSI: Late two thousand nine. Like he went... my friend that 509 you know. 510 511 See I keep thinking itstwo thousand ten. 512 513 HERSI: I think its like yesterday like... 514 515 . ..Yeah, 5(6 sii HERSI: ...last year, right, youre like... SiS 519 ...Yeah. 520 521 HERSI: . . .two thousand nine. What? 522 523 .. It doesnt seem... 524 525 HERSI: . .. They went.. They went only in November two 22 of64 I 1 I I 526 thousand nine or October two thousand nine. You 527 know that was not too long ago. 1 528 529 Ah I was in another... 530 531 HERSI: (Unintelligible) I 532 533 . . .world at that time. 1 535 HERSI: WeB my friend died in March two thousand ten this 536 month. I 538 Oh thats like... 539 540 HERSI: ... Its only been... 541 542 .. .deeth-(Ur teib) a year. I s44 HERSI: .. like about a year. The middle... I 546 547 548 HERSI: . . . of March. March (Unintelligible). I remember going 23 of64 I I I 549 to his house, his parents house when he passed away. They had you know (Unintelligible)... 1 551 552 Mmhmm 553 I :& < 1 554 HERS): . .1 talked to his father. He just thought (Unintclliibje) I 555 what Im gonna do in my life, I just (Unintelligible) this 556 guy (Unintelhgible) He seemed like he was 557 disappointed cause that was his only son, right and I 558 he had high hopes for him, hes an intelligent guy, you 559 know. But he doesnt realize that Allah has better 560 hopes for him, right. I 561 562 Because hes looking at it ah... 563 564 HERS): ...Very... 565 566 . .. as a parent. I 567 s HERS): ..,secular. 569 570 Just like even in the... 571 24 f 64 I I I I 572 HERS I: Not even a parent. think mOst Somalis look at it from 573 a very secular perspectve cause Semela*&-4ve ( 574 secular (Unte{1iibIe I 576 Mm hmm. 1 578 HERSI: . . for... for all of their existence. 579 580 You had... 581 582 HERSI: In Somalia you see... 583 584 . .. Italy... 585 586 HERSI: .. . (Unintelligible) You look at the seventies and the 587 sixties, no hijab, nothing. Like were talking about in my family. 589 590 That had a lot... 591 592 HERSI: . ..My mom... 593 ...to do with... 25 of64 I I I I 596 HERSI: ...goeswhenshewasyounger... 1 I ... ItaHan influence. 599 f 600 HERSI: .. she says her family was relatively conservative I 601 because shes... when she was a teenager they didnt 602 want no hijab, you know. And then in the eighties f 603 people started wearing hijabs (Unintelligible). And in I 604 the nineties people wear *veils * (Chuckles) 605 everybody (Unintelligible) 606 I 607 . . . Yeah. 608 69 HERSI: When you go to Somalia now you dont see one 1 610 woman without a hijab. But if you go back twenty-five 611 thirtyyearsago... 612 613 Itd probably be the opposite. 614 ois HERSI: .. it would be the opposite. Hijab was very rare. You 616 saw women in the jungle like... like in the... the 617 *desert they wearing the, you know, like the... they I I I 618 have the... just covering their... their hair. 619 620 Yeah. 621 622 HERSI: (Unintelligible) women would have their breasts out, it 623 was like (Laughs) thirty years ago talking... the 624 nomadic ladies, they would walk around like almost 625 naked, you knowwhat I mean. 626 627 1 fE its a different culture though. 628 629 HERSI: But Im saying thats... 630 631 ...Yeah. 632 633 HERSI: . . .thats Somalia. And thats a Muslim country a 634 hundred percent, right. When you think about it, 635 Egypt, same thing. You go to Egypt thirty forty years .. v 636 ago no hijabs, right, the scholars (Unirkef4i4e) right. 637 The scholars were talking about... you never see a 638 Qaradawi (ph) (Unintelligible) you know what I mean? 639 640 Yeah, the... 27 of 64 I I I 641 642 HERSI: They... Now they do. Even in... in today Egypt youll f 643 find them... some... some scholars no beards. I 644 645 You send me this or should do... 646 I 647 HERSI: No. 648 649 I was gonna close it off. I 650 651 HERSI: How much gig watts does it have? j 652 I 653 I dont know. It just... It keeps a duration of how Cong 654 you use... 655 656 HERSI: Oh it says you have two hundred and sixty something. 657 658 Yeah. 659 660 HERSI: Okay, thats it, you can close it. Lets go. Were 661 done. 662 663 Yeah let me to,.. let me make sure its closed off. I 28 o164 I I I I 664 think I got.. 665 1 666 HERSI: .. Yeah, Im telling you now... but Im saying, Ill tell I 667 you this from personal experience, the world is 668 changing very quickly. Who wouldve thought... I P 670 . ..Just look in... 671 672 HERSI: ... in the last two months... I 673 674 . . And its about to be... f 675 I 676 HERSI: ... (Unintelligible) Hosni Mubarak... 677 678 Its a... 679 680 HERSI: . . . 681 682 Even in the time... 683 684 HERSI: (Unintelligible) 685 686 And thats... (Unintelligible) 29 of 64 I I I I 687 688 HERSI: But you know the best thing ever Ill tell you dont 689 leave any closed doors, you know, cause see these 690 guys they... they... they kind of became quite open 691 that they... 692 693 .. . About... 694 695 HERSI: . . .that they were going there and theyre never 696 coming back, Now he... this guy cant ever come back 697 to Canada unless he goes to... hell be thirty years to life, right, you know what I mean. 699 700 Cause... 701 702 HERSI: Cause hes quite open about it, right, and his parents 703 also, you know... 704 705 They knew? 706 707 HERSI: Big news, you know, Not his parents specifically but . ki 708 people Ic 4ow,-Hen, where is he? (UeUigb4e AN 709 JO of64 I I I I 710 Yeah, yeah. 711 712 HERSI: Then they find out they have flight manifests, right 713 (Laughs) Those guys too are on their way to Somalia, 714 you know. (Unintelligible) 715 716 Oh did they? 717 718 HERSI: I think to Kenya. They went to Kenya. 719 720 Serious? 721 722 HERS1: Yeah, theyre already in Kenya (Unintelligible) my 723 boy... the other guy here, he went straight to 724 Somalia, remember what I told you? (Unintelligible) 725 726 IJ Ken. 727 728 HERSI: Yeah. 729 730 Kenny? Kenny? 731 732 HERSI: Yeah. He went straight to there. He actually came 31 of 64 I I I I back. Then he came... and then he went back L., C.. 734 (U&e). I 735 736 737 j 738 (Crowd continues to be heard) 739 740 HERSI; Ill tefl you in the car. 741 I 742 Whats that? 743 1 744 HERSI; Ill tell you in the car. I 746 Yeah, yeah. You wanna grab your thing now? You 747 wanna grab your thing now from the trunk? 748 1 74 HERSI: feel like Im a fourteen year old, man. 750 751 (Laughs) 752 753 HERSI: If I really just shaved off all my beard... 754 755 Youd look like one. 32 of 64 I I I I j 756 757 HERSI: and if I had like one of those... like you know those 1 758 like ah really, really, really shaved, clean shaved, I 759 think I can pass off as a seventeen year old 760 (UriUigiN) . . 761 762 Wanna grab that now before you forget? Before 763 you... 764 I 765 HERSI: Cause Ive seen some fifteen year olds with a thick 766 beard, Im like how do they grow such thick beards? 767 768 SERd Genetics. 769 770 HERSI: And the... cause theyre Indian too. (Laughs) Thats 771 gottabearace... 772 773 (Laughs) Theyre b... Theyre born with a goatee. 4 774 775 HERSI: No, I was telling you. ..I was like... I saw one kid, Im 776 like I wish could grow that, right. He had like a thick 777 one, like were talking thick, like fifteen sixteen years 778 old, Im like (Sound of car doors opening and closing) 33 of 64 I 1 I I 1 If they saw me and him theyd be like hes older than 780 you, right. 1 781 P 782 Yeah. 783 784 HERSI: Thats not true. They... They... They... most Somatis 785 cant... you see my the Imam... You wanna go there 786 one day? Well... 787 J 788 Whats that? 789 790 HERSI: . . . go there, well go to that amosque * the Somali V 791 *mosque * right. 792 Okay. I 795 HERSI: Hes the guy that spoke against ah all the kids that 796 went, right. Hes anti AI-Shabaab. (Laughs) I 798 Whos.... I dont know who that is. 799 800 HERSI: ... Kind of ironic, eh? Sheikh Saeed (ph), Sheikh Saeed Rageh (ph). You know Sheikh Saeed Rageh 34 of4 I I I I j 802 (ph), Sheikh Saeed (ph) (Unintelhgible). 803 804 No. 805 806 HERSI: Hes a Sornalian Imam of.. of.. of... of... Imam Abu 807 Huraira (ph), right. 808 809 Okay. 810 811 HERSI: Hes anti PJ-Shabaab, right. So he put a message 812 cause they bombed Hargeysa (ph) right. I dont know 813 ifhesa tribalist (Laughs) or...or what butwhen they 814 were bombing other citiesAlShabadb, he doesnt 815 care but when the bombed ha.... He put a message 816 out, right, cause he... hes from the northern part of 817 Somalia, right. 818 819 Okay. 820 2I HERSI: So dont know whats going on but anyhow he 822 hates... he doesnt he like them. He thinks theyre... 823 theyre... theyre... He has a very messed up... He 824 talks about, you know, that J word, right, every time, 35 o164 I I I I 825 right. 826 j 827 Oh. 828 829 HERSI: And then he... 830 I 83 Ends with the D? 832 833 HERSI: ... .And then... And... Yeah, yeah. But he doesnt like 834 when it happens in Somalia but he likes it if it 835 happens in Afghanistan or... its very ironic, eh. 836 837 Yeah. 838 J 839 HERSI: .. . People are like oh may Allah bless the brothers in 840 Afghanistan and then when you talk about... Oh oh. 841 No? (Laughs) They believe it can only happen in 842 certain areas in the world. 843 844 Hmm. 845 846 HERSI; You know? 847 36 of64 I I I I 848 Oh thats what we were trying to connect to. 849 850 HERSI; What? I 85 852 Kings Cross. 853 I 854 HERSI: Is that it? 855 856 I was wondering what that word was but its that car 857 dealership. 858 859 HERSI: (Laughs) Oh geez. Crazy. 860 861 You said you were gonna... Oh thats what you were 862 gonna say in the car, about him? 863 864 HERS I: .. Thats my bag? You got it out, right. 865 866 Yeah, yeah. 867 f 868 HERSI: Oh sweet. Yeah, man, Im telling you, I was gonna buy a cheaper one for thirty bucks online. J 870 37 of 64 I I 871 . . .Just give me ten dollars. 872 a HERSI; Fifteen bucks cause that was... fi 874 875 876 I 877 HERSI: .. .thirty plus tax. 878 f 879 .. .with tax. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I 880 gsi HERSI: (Laughs) How... But then they cancelled my order f 882 online so I said okay Im not gonna wait for twenty I 883 days plus you guys playing games with me and that. 884 Ill just get a bag. Cause its all about now, you know, 885 I leave in twenty... Ive got twenty days left, alright. I... 886 I 887 ...Are you... 888 889 HERSI: 1 890 j 891 .. . Are you (Laughs) counting them down now? 892 HERSI: (Laughs) Yeah, its like.., like.., good thing about 38 of 64 I I I I f 894 leaving... I 895 896 ... Its around the corner. 897 898 HERSI: Yeah, its exactly around the corner, so I dont give a 899 shit no more when internet people give me shit. But I 90() anyhow, so yeah, ah what was I gonna say to you? 901 902 I dont know. You said youll tell me in the car. 903 904 HERSI: So... yeah, yeah, what was I... f 905 906 Ah we were talking about Kenny, 907 908 HERSI: Oh yeah, no the guy... the guy I was telling you. See 909 how they... they... they cut off kind of their ah 910 possibiflties to come back? I _______________ 912 Okay yeah. 913 914 HERSI: And... And... (Unintelligible)... I 915 916 The bridges. 39 of64 I I I I 9(7 918 HERSI: Yeah bridges, for a future opportunities. You know 919 you dont wanna like leave those opportunities Like job J 920 opportunities in... in... in the future, right. 92) 922 ___________ Mm hmm. 923 924 HERSI: So you dont wanna leave other opportunities open... 925 closed, right. Its wrong, right. You have to leave all I 926 the... all available doors for you, right. 927 J 928 But what does... Is there not concern of ah coming 929 back? 930 93 HERSI: What... Wh... de... if... I 932 933 Whats waiting for you. 1 935 HERSI: .. .they say why... 1 936 1 Like autho... 938 1 3c HERSI: .. .why are you coming back? 40 of 64 I I I I j 940 941 Authority wise. 942 I 943 HERSI: Huh? 944 1 Like authority wise. I 946 947 HERSI: No, theres no... its... theres no such problem 948 cause as long as you dont have like a mommy and g 949 daddy saying why did my son go away, right. 950 951 Yeah. 952 953 HERSI: Cause these guys were a bit younger, right. 1 955 Yeah. 1 956 i 57 HERSI: And not even.., even about younger, their parents still 958 wanted to know where they were, right. If their 959 parents didnt care about where they were, they I 960 couldve got away with anything, right. Rut since you 961 in a way are kinda independent... 962 dl of64 I I I I 963 ...Ina... 964 1 965 HERS!: . . . right... 966 967 ...lna 968 I 969 HERS!: (Unintelligible) 970 971 .. more beneficial position. I 972 c73 HERSI: In a better,.. Same with me hopefully, right, cause 1 my mom once if I go to Egypt, if I get married or 975 whatever shell just say (Laughs) now youre an adult, 976 get away from me, right. 1 978 ERj You have your own... 1 o HERSI: Yeah, your own life. Dont worry. She wont... Shell I 981 call me once... once a month, right. And Ill call her 982 once a week or whatever, right. I 983 984 ___________ Yeah. I 42 o164 I I I I J 986 HERSI: Or well call on Skype and talk, right, you know. 987 (Laughs) Otherwise thats really it, you know what I mean? Itll be pretty... 989 990 Youre twenty-five. 991 1 992 HERSI: Yeah, Im twenty-five years old. Im not a baby no 993 more, right. These guys were not even.., they were 994 only twenty-two twenty-three when they left and thats 995 still supposed to be more responsible still, right. But 996 their parents were like why did you go? Right. Like if I 1 had left three years ago or two years ago... E 998 ggg Do you think your mom would be... 1000 I 1001 HERSI: . . my mom wouldve been all over the news with it. 1002 She wouldve been like my son is missing. He was 1003 kidnapped by some (Unintelligible) (Laughs) you I know. You know what I mean? And then I wouldve 1005 been screwed. I could never come back, you know. 1006 1007 ...Yeah. I 1008 1 43 I I I 009 HERSL But now I... Im a bit older. Im a bit more... more my 1010 own man, right. loll 1012 ASR: Patience. 1013 1014 HERSI: Yeah. And my mom doesnt care. Plus its also better I 1015 for me *God willing * cause now Im like if... if 1016 anybody asks me what were you doing here or there 1017 Ill be like look Im a twenty-five year old man, mind ) 1018 your business, right 1019 1020 I got married. 1021 1022 HERSI: Yeah, I. .1 got this and was trying to learn Arabic, its 1023 none of your business after that. As the KIu Klux Klan 1024 say they say I have nothing to say (Laughs) if you 1025 ever get stopped by Authorities. Thats what the Klu j 1026 Klux Klan say, you know. Theres fives words, I have 1027 nothing to say, thats it. Then they cant bug you 1028 cause you have to have proof, right, for anything. 1029 Then you just mind you own business, you know. So 1030 whenever you do anything youre... youre your own ( 1031 man. Nobody can ask you what youre doing. lf you 44 o164 I I I I 1032 wanna go learn Arabic or Swahili or you wanna go 1033 marry... 1034 1035 (Unintelligible) 1036 1037 HERSI: . .. you wanna get... be polygamous, its none of your 038 business Ill tell them, you know. Nobody has any rights to know, no. Hey I... I... Im not breaking any 1040 Canadian law. 1041 042 __________ Worse they can do is say you cant come back, right. 1043 g 044 HERSI: No, they cant do that. Thats against the law. Itll be 1045 against my... 1046 1047 . (Unintelligible) 1048 049 HERSI: ... constitutional right. 050 1051 . Yeah, cause of citzenship. 052 053 HERSI: Im a citizen. If I was one of those landed they could 1054 probably revoke me but 1 would say you cant revoke 45 I I I 1055 my citizenship, you know. You know what I mean? 1056 And if they put you on a No Fly list you can fly j 1057 technically from say from ah... from ah... (Lip flapping I 1058 sound) from... as long as... 1059 f 1060 Maritimes and youre... I 106] 1062 HERSI: ... Maritimes, yeah. f 1063 1064 ...not crossing... 1065 1 1066 HERSI: Exactly. Remember? 1067 I Yeah, yeah. 069 1070 HERSI: So nobody can stop you, you know. And the only way ( 1071 to get on one of those No Fly lists is if you do I 1072 something really, really.. you know. You just dont 1073 allow to be... you... you cant be prominent, you know 1074 what I mean. You gotta be ah Mark Wahlberg-ing it, 1075 you know. (Laughs). You gotta just be like in and out, 1076 Ifl and out, quiet, you know. 1077 46 of64 I I I I I 1078 No Oscar. 1079 1080 HERSI: ... I always pictured myself... I 108) 1082 .. Dont win the Oscar. Just be... 1083 I 1084 HERSI: ... I always... 1085 1086 (Laughs) I 1087 ios HERSI: Yeah, I always pictured as... as... as a... as a type of 1089 ah you know like a silent assassin, (Laughs) you 1090 know what I mean. 1 1091 j 1092 (Laughs) I 1093 1094 HERSI; I dont know what Im trying to say here but you know. 1095 1096 Yeah. 1097 1098 HERSI: You gotta be quiet about everything, you know. But 1099 some of those people deserve to, you know, get... get 1100 what they,.. whats coming to them, you know. If you 47 of 64 I I I I 101 ever insult the Prophet *AIlahs peace and blessings 1102 be upon him, * you deserve cer... a certain outcome, 1103 you know. 1104 05 Especially that ah... remember... I cant remember ( iioo her name. Theres that girl in the US.... 1107 fl08 HERSI: Yeah she... 1109 II) .. who did that thing on Facebook. 1111 112 HERSI: . . . Yeah, yeah, shes the one who put the... the... 1113 1114 Trying to tell everybody to do it, 1115 II J HERSI: ...To do ah... ah do it. Yeah, that lady deserves... .1117 Shes under... Shes under a life protection right now. 118 1119 SE Ohyeah? 1120 121 HERSI: Constant surveillance everyday. Which is... Now her 1122 life is screwed for the rest of her life, you know. 1123 48 of 64 I I I I 1124 Cause of her stupid... But the thing is shes ignorant. 125 1126 HERSI: No but not even ignorant. She still deserves to get it, 1127 you know. 1128 ( 1129. S Shes ignorant. 1130 1131 HERSI: ..,Theres... 1132 ASI Thats all. Im gonna leave... 1134 1135 HERSI: ...Theres... 1136 1137 it at that. 1138 1139 HERSI: Until the Day of Judgement she... she... as long as 1140 shes alive, somebody has to get her, and... 114] 1142 Da... 1143 1144 HERSI: .. Its not because shes a woman. In... Even... 1145 Remember... Did you ever listen to the tape by thing 1146 ah... ah Mister ah the article... ah the last article I 49 of 64 1 I I I I 147 was tefling you about, the guy... 1148 1149 ....That... 1150 1151 HERS!: ...who wrote it? 1 1152 I 1153 ..,That I just read? Yeah, yeah. 1154 1155 HERSI: (Laughs) That guy, right, if you ever re... read one of I 1156 his videos on... on... (Unintelligible) the dust will 1157 never settle, right. j 1158 I 1159 Isitavidec or.... 1160 1161 HERSI . ..lts a video, video. I 1162 1163 I havent heard of t. 1164 I 1165 HERSI: Ill give itto you. So if you ever watch it, watch it. 1166 So.... 1167 1168 ..Didtheyprob.. 1169 50 of64 I I I 70 HERSI: . in the video. I 1171 1172 the probably took it down. j 1173 I 1174 HERSI: ... he goes... he talks about it. No, they put it on and 1175 on, on and off, its like a... a constant battle. He has I 176 like a bunch of... 1177 .,.Ohbecause... 1 1179 i iso HERSI: . . .videos on... 1181 I 1182 ...different people can put it on. 1183 184 1-IERSI: Yeah. 1185 1186 You can just upload it yourself. 1187 iiss HERSI: I can upload it tomorrow, you know, if I had it. I can just keep on making new accounts and uploading it, 190 right. Upload thirty different ones, right. And then 191 Youtube is not (Unintelligible) unless somebody flags 1192 it and then they re-flag it. It just keeps on going up 51 of64 I I I 1193 and down, you know what I mean. But anyhow, he I 94 goes there was a woman at the Prophets time who I 1195 insulted the Prophet in Medina. The reason you have i i 196 to do it because if you insult the Prophets *Allah 1197 peace and blessings be upon him,* it is as if... if... is 1198 if... insulted... - HERSI: 1204 HERSI: II&SE HERSI: All of Islam. ..aIl of Islam, right... ...Yeah. cause hes the one who delivered Islam, he causes dissention. Sunna. Its like if you insult ah ah ah... If you insult my mother, right, youre not gonna get away scott free, right. But the Prophet is even more important than my mother, should be more in theory, right. 52 of64 1199 1200 1201 1202 1203 I 1205 1206 1207 1208 I 1209 1210 1211 I 1212 ( 1213 1214 1215 I I I I 1216 . . in a sense its like everyones mother, you know 1217 what I mean. 1218 I 1219 HERSI: Everyones... 1220 1221 ...Yeah. I 1222 1223 HERSI: .. father. You cannot insult him ever, right. 1224 I 1225 Mm. 1226 1227 HERSI: And if you do then that person certain deserves to get 1228 the worst punishment they can get in this life, right. 1229 So he says if a woman, man, yet child, doesnt f 230 matter, take them down, right. *Saladin * you I 1231 remember the four... the... the... the.. the Muslim ah 1232 warrior, he found some guy who was doing that, he J 1233 bring him to Mac... Ma... Med ma and he personally 1234 gave him (Laughs) a farewell heflo, right, goodbye, 1 1235 right. 1236 1237 A farewell (Unintelligible) 238 53 of64 1 I I I 1239 HERSI: One of the Crusaders said it, right. He was insulting 240 him, right, you know sending letters, saying bad stuff, I 124 you know, spreading it, right. And he caught one of I 1242 those guys, one of the like the leaders of them arid 1243 personally did itto the guy. He gave him a goodbye, 1244 right. And that guy is probably getting punished til this I 1245 very day in hellfire, right. Good for him, right. But 1246 anyhow its just right here on the right hand side. 1247 I 1248 Oh yeah. 1249 j 1250 HERSI: Ill tell you this, man, dont... dont ah leave any books 1251 closed and... you know what I mean. 1252 f 1253 I neverthought of it like that cause I knowyou I 1254 mentioned before dont close any books, dont close 1255 any chapters. 1256 1257 HERSI: Plus its probably better... 1 258 I 1259 ...And... 1260 1261 HERSI: . . . cause you have the op... opportunity to come 54 o164 I I / I 1262 back, right. Same with me, right. 1263 1264 ....Um... Ah with under less suspicion. 1265 1266 HERSI: Yeah cause your pops is not gonna be like wheres f 267 my son? 268 269 And... 1270 1271 HERSI: Your pops doesnt really like, you know, doesnt follow 1272 you like a little kid does he? 1273 1274 No cause they told the.. they wanted me to come a 1275 long time ago but my stubbornness urn I only saw this 1276 world... this... this way of the world. At that time I 1277 didnt want to leave. This is the only thing I knew. 1278 1279 HERSI: You love Canada, right. 280 1281 Thats all 1 know. ( 1282 1283 HERSI: Yeah. 1284 55 of64 I I I I f 1308 1309 Oh for working out. f 1310 i HERSI: Fitness. So if you... since its gonna get warmer next 1312 month. I 1314 Yeah, yeah. 1315 1316 HERSI: ...When Im leaving Ill just give you the vest. 1317 1318 The... Is it like for running and stuff like that? 1319 1320 HERSI: For... For... Do when youre doing push ups, when 1321 youre jogging. Its heavy. You can take the weights 1322 out and adjust it. You can bring it down in weight or 1323 up to weight.,. 1324 1325 Yeah. 1326 1327 HERSI: ... by taking out things. Its like forty pounds. Itll... Itll 1328 give you a real workout. 1329 330 . .. Holy shit, yeah thats a lot of... thats of... 57 of 64 1 I I I 1331 332 HERSI: .. You can take it out and make it ten pounds, you 1333 can make it whatever, right. 334 335 INM Yeah. 1 1336 337 HERSI: So Ill give you that when... before... before eaving, 1338 okay. I I I I I I I I I I I I
The Museum Mysteries series: Books 1, 2, 3, 4, 5: Murder at the Fitzwilliam, Murder at the British Museum, Murder at the Ashmolean, Murder at the Manchester Museum, Murder at the Natural History Museum