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Hyper-Calvinism
3 2.07%
Ultra High Calvinism
8 5.52%
High Calvinism
81 55.86%
Moderate Calvinism
49 33.79%
Low Calvinism
2 1.38%
Lutheranism
2 1.38%
Free-will Baptist
0 0%
Arminianism
0 0%
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Where are you on the Calvinism Chart?
Look at the following Calvinism Chart and see which best fits your particular Calvinist
position. You don't have to agree explicitly with each definition, just place yourself
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were you most agree.
This is an OPEN POLL. Your selection is not secret.
Hyper-Calvinism: Beliefs: God is the author of sin and man has no
responsibility before God. The Gospel should only preached to the elect.
i.e. duty faith. and anti-missionary Belief in the five points is a prerequisite
for true salvation, also known as Neo-Gnostic Calvinism. Proponents:
Joseph Hussey John Skepp and some English primitive Baptists.
1.
Ultra High Calvinism: Beliefs: That the elect are in some sense eternally
justified. A denial of: The Well Meant Offer; Common Grace; and God
having any love for the non-elect. Proponents: John Gill, some ministers in
the Protestant Reformed Church of America
2.
High Calvinism: Beliefs: That God in no sense desires to save the
reprobate, Most deny the Well-Meant Offer. Supralapsarian viewing Gods
decrees. All hold to limited atonement. Most believe in particular grace and
see the atonement as sufficient only for the elect. Proponents: Theodore
Beza, Gordon Clark, Arthur Pink
3.
Moderate Calvinism: Beliefs: That God does in some sense desires to
save the reprobate, Infralapsarian in viewing Gods decrees. Affirms
Common Grace. Proponents: John Calvin (some argue that he was a
High-Calvinist), John Murray, RL Dabney
4.
Low Calvinism: Beliefs: That Christ died for all in a legal sense, so one
can speak of Christ dying for the non-elect. That God has two distinct wills.
Affirms the Well-Meant Offer and Common Grace, Proponents:
Amyraldrians , RT Kendal
5.
Lutheranism: Beliefs: That Calvinist over emphasize God Sovereignty
over mans responsibility. That Christ died for all in legal sense, that some
are predestined on to life but none are predestined onto death. That the
sacraments are means of grace regardless of ones faith. Proponents:
Martin Luther, Philipp Melanchthon, Rod Rosenbladt
6.
American Baptist: Beliefs: That God has given man libertarian freedom,
that Gods knowledge of future is based on His foreknowledge. That Christ
died for all and desires all to be saved. Once a persons believes the gospel,
he is eternally secure. Rejects Calvinism, some would even call it heretical.
Proponents: Jerry Falwell, Adrian Rogers
7.
Arminianism Beliefs: That God has given man libertarian freedom, that
Gods knowledge of future is solely based on His foreknowledge. That
Christ died for all and desires all to be saved. A person can fall from the
state of grace i.e. lose ones salvation, since it is our free will that chooses
Christ at conversion. Proponents: Jacob Arminius, John Wesley some
Methodists
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P.S. Almost forgot: copyright Rev Jonathan James Goundry. Thanks VanVos.
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You label me!!
I believe that the gospel is to be preached to all mankind; however,
I deny duty faith and duty repentance.
I deny common grace.
I deny that the gospel is an "offer" and is rather a declaration.
I hold to eternal justification.
I hold to supralapsarianism.
= IMO I am a high Calvinist
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I picked ultra-high just so the curve will be a little more uniform. High-calvinism is
probably the best fit for me.
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I'm a little confused as to the difference between ultra and high octane Calvinism?
Also, per High it states: "Some believe in particular grace. . . ."
Should that be common grace? I thought all Calvinists even the anemic kind believe in
particular grace?
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Thanks for putting the poll together. Looks like High-calvinism is the general consensus
of the puritanboard. Have you heard this book High Calvinists in Action ?
I think I'm going to have purchase a copy.
VanVos
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VanVos
Originally Posted by Civbert
I picked ultra-high just so the curve will be a little more uniform. High-calvinism is
probably the best fit for me.
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I'll gladly sit in the "High Calvinism" pew with Turretin and Owen.
Although I lean toward Infra rather than Supra.
Jim
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Aren't you jumping to conclusions? There have only been 7 respondents so far. This
isn't CBS news!
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Originally Posted by VanVos
Thanks for putting the poll together. Looks like High-calvinism is general consensus
of the puritanboard.
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I picked High Calvinism, but I can say that in discussion on other forums I go into ultra
high Calvinism in some of the way I put things
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Well, after answering the last poll wrongly because I didn't understand a term
("justified true belief" where I thought true meant genuine/sincere and it meant
correct) I'm going to ask first before I define myself!
I've heard different people mean different things by "common grace". I believe in it in
the sense that all men deserve hell, yet are allowed this present life for a time. I also
believe that for the non-elect those good things are unto judgment so maybe that is
denying common grace. So what do you mean by it so that I can know if I believe it or
deny it?
And I don't know what i think about the lapsarianism business, so I won't count that in
my answer. I think I'm going to end up "high" but the jury's still out. I have to admit
that "high" sounds more respectable than "low" so I feel somewhat abashed about
choosing it, but that's the way it goes.
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Originally Posted by Magma2
I'm a little confused as to the difference between ultra and high octane Calvinism?
Also, per High it states: "Some believe in particular grace. . . ."
Should that be common grace? I thought all Calvinists even the anemic kind believe
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Depends who you read:
In my reading I found that John Owen was a high calvinist but believed in common
grace, I think also Turretin. Some say no high calvinist believes in common grace,
some say all do, so I think the most accurate position is some do.
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Jenny, just click on "High."
Also, I think VanVos (Jonathan) admits there may be some adjustments needed in his
definitions/distinctions. And there is some overlap to be considered. But looking at the
spectrum of categories, one can generally pick a place for himself.
Jim
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You can go home folks - the winner has been declared!
I'm feeling lonely as the uno ultra. I wonder if we will see the Buffalo effect. Anyone
feel influenced by the fact that (so far) the vast majority is High-Calvinism. Does it
make want to vote with the winners.
The inner-irrationalist in me feels like a loser. But then the same inner-irrationalist
says being at the top of the list makes me number one!
<play Rocky theme music>
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Yes; I have read it and it is very good.
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I perceive that most puritanboard folks will be high to ultra. I think the people here
like to be consistent in their theology
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I would say this is a good illustration of why broad distinctions like these (low,
moderate, high, ultra-high Calvinism) are often arbitrary and seldom helpful. Much
better to compare the Reformed confessions (and theologians) on each individual
issue, observing where they are silent, and where they emphasize things differently.
That said, I did vote, but basically just in hopes of helping to make it clear that infras
do make up a significant portion of all Calvinists currently (just as they always have
historically).
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Depends who you read:
In my reading I found that J ohn Owen was a high calvinist but believed in common
grace, I think also Turretin. Some say no high calvinist believes in common grace,
some say all do, so I think the most accurate position is some do.
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What is the 'well-meant offer'
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As I see it, the Well-Meant-Offer reflects the view of the Murray-Stonehouse Report in
1948 response to Clark-VanTil controversy.
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I picked high calvinism.
supralapsarian, limited atonement, the atonement is sufficient for the elect only.
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Originally Posted by Romans922
What is the 'well-meant offer'
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Curious as to who the hyper vote belongs to...
Adam - Pennsylvania - Baptist
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I think it's actually quite useful in getting a ball-park view. The fact that there are
different denominations is a case in point. If we didn't find the categories helpful, we'd
all be non-denominational.
Didn't the infra make up the majority in that poll? I think it was pretty evenly split. I'll
have to do a search.
P.S. It was close, almost 40% infra. Supra- or Infra-??? Yes, it is time to do it
again!
R. Anthony Coletti
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Originally Posted by Me Died Blue
I would say this is a good illustration of why broad distinctions like these (low,
moderate, high, ultra-high Calvinism) are often arbitrary and seldom helpful. Much
better to compare the Reformed confessions (and theologians) on each individual
issue, observing where they are silent, and where they emphasize things differently.
Originally Posted by Me Died Blue
That said, I did vote, but basically just in hopes of helping to make it clear that infras
do make up a significant portion of all Calvinists currently (just as they always have
historically).
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HIGH Calvinism.
I'm glad no one has said "I'm a high Calvinist" because certain hippy types might get
the wrong idea...
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It's an open poll. You can click on the numbers to see who voted for what.
Should I have added that information to the first post? I think we tend to think open
polling is not good, and secret ballets are better. But I was interested in seeing if
anyones vote were a surprise.
P.S. I just added that poll is "open" in the first post.
R. Anthony Coletti
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Curious as to who the hyper vote belongs to...
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I'm about 50% moderate, 30% high and 20% ultra if that's possible.
Psa 55:16 As for me, I will call upon God; and the LORD shall save me.
Psa 55:17 Evening, and morning, and at noon, will I pray, and cry aloud: and he shall
hear my voice.
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I am majority moderate, but as with most polls the options are limited. The part of me
that isn't moderate is high, but not ultra-high.
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That's impossible!! It's inconceivable!!
I thought about making it multiple choice.
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Civbert
Originally Posted by Blueridge reformer
I'm about 50% moderate, 30% high and 20% ultra if that's possible.
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I'm so confused.
Psa 55:16 As for me, I will call upon God; and the LORD shall save me.
Psa 55:17 Evening, and morning, and at noon, will I pray, and cry aloud: and he shall
hear my voice.
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Grandfather to Owen and Claire
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That's impossible!! It's inconceivable!!
I thought about making it multiple choice.
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I am a mix between High and Moderate Calvinism --> I picked Moderate.
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I think free-will baptists generally deny Eternal security, don't they?
Adrian Rogers wouldn't, by that standard, qualify as a free-will baptist.
I don't think falwell would either...???
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Yeah I agree the title free will baptist is misleading. I was going put Southern Baptist,
but that also a mixed camp. Maybe general Baptist would be a better term.
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Me too.
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I went with High, but was tempted to go Ultra so Anthony won't feel lonely.
I agree that perhaps the definitions could have been clearer. For example for High:
1. "God in no sense desires to save the reprobate"
Yet,
2. "some deny the Well-Meant Offer."
Wouldn't the affirmation of 1 be the necessary denial of 2 since the WMO is the idea
that God desires to save the reprobate?
Although I tend to lean toward the Ultra position, since for example I think there is a
sense in which the elect are in some sense eternally justified (see Kuyper and Richard
Bacon) and also if love is an action then I would say the love question is answered
above per #1 which would mean Highs are really Ultras and just don't know it.
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Yes, I couldn't work out why Turretin's name was attached to a position which
outrightly calls itself supralapsarian. And Owen taught the absolute necessity of the
atonement, so that effectively banishes him to the fringes of high-Calvinism. I would
summarise high calvinism as the belief that God does all things according to the
counsel of His will.
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Originally Posted by Gomarus
I'll gladly sit in the "High Calvinism" pew with Turretin and Owen.
Although I lean toward Infra rather than Supra.
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I don't really know what I am. Confused, I suppose. I appreciate Rev. Winzer clarifying
some things.
What does this make me (?):
I read this from Bavink on predestination (paraphrased on punctuation mostly):
Concerning the moderate/high Calvinism. These are the things I believe:
If the above from Bavink is accurate, then I'd say I'm supralapsarian.
Thus, I believe that all things flow from God's decree (that He works all things
according to the counsel of his will). I believe that we are to preach the gospel to all
indiscriminately; however, I don't know that God could have a "well-meaning" offer, if
He has so decreed that men be otherwise condemned. Since we cannot know who the
elect are, of course, we preach the gospel to all. It's not as if God needs our help, and
our main purpose in preaching is to be obedient to God's command. Many believe
(Spurgeon, et al) passages such as 1 Tim 2:4 show that God, in some way we can't
fathom or comprehend, desires (not so much that He actually effects it so) that all
(without exception, as opposed to distinction) men be saved. I, on the other hand,
believe that the context brings it to mean all kinds of men--thus, said passages don't
pose a threat to my systematic understanding of God's working in soteriology.
I hope I haven't rambled. But that being said, how would I be classified?
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Pelagianism:
1. original sin actual sin
2. predestination
Augustinianism or Infralapsarianism:
1. original sin
2. predestination
3. actual sin
Supralapsarianism:
1. predestination
2. original sin
3. actual sin
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I wanna be high, so high
I wanna be free to know
The things I do are right
I wanna be free
Just me, babe!
That's why I'm easy
I'm easy like Sunday morning
I'm a High Calvinist but I'm also easy like Sunday morning.
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I'm hoping that the one hyper is just a High Calvinist jacked up on Red Bull.
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Where Are You On The Calvinism Chart TYPES CALVIN

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