Sal Pain's Claims

Inside Edition website 10/1/2014

http://www.insideedition.com/headlines/9018-ambulance-crew-being-monitored-for-possible-ebolacontamination

INSIDE EDITION was given an exclusive look at the decontamination process with an
ambulance similar to the Ebola ambulance in Dallas that is now under quarantine.
Pain said, "Our crews in Texas are doing the same exact thing."
An ambulance on Long Island, New York, was contaminated when it transported a
dead man and bodily fluids leaked out. Ebola was not a factor in the death, but the
process is about the same.
Workers don white hazmat suits lined with rubber and use up to five sets of gloves.
They are also equipped with special masks.
Workers use a special fogger which releases a heated chemical inside the vehicle.
The substance is a hospital grade sanitizer called Microban which is also effective
against the Ebola virus.
Pain said, "It will kill virtually anything. It will definitely kill Ebola."
They spray all surface areas by hand with the chemical.
He said, "Every square inch. We can't miss a spot. Underneath every cushion,
underneath all the panels. Open up all cabinets. Everything has to be wiped down."
Next, comes a $10,000 machine called The AirZone XT-14,000, nicknamed The
Ozonator. It uses ozone to neutralize any remaining bacteria. Workers seal every
opening with duct tape and the machine is left inside for six hours.
Pain said, "It is actually going to put out ozone in the air, which will kill any types
of bacteria, pathogens, including Ebola."
At the end, you hopefully have one very clean ambulance.

WNYC News (Print) 10/7/2014

http://www.wnyc.org/story/case-ebola-ready-clean-/

Biorecovery Corporation the same company that removed Anthraxtainted mail from New York City office buildings a decade ago has gotten
the federal government to green-light its plan to transport potentiallyinfected materials to an incineration facility to be destroyed. So far, the
company has only had false alarms.
The

Pane says if the company gets a real Ebola call, his cleaning team is prepared
to take every precaution, including quarantining themselves for at least three
to five days following the incident.

1110 KFAB interview radio 10/7/2014

http://m.kfab.com/onair/good-morning-show-4850/who-cleans-up-after-an-ebola-12838237/
0.42: These crew's training doesn't cover ebola already There is no specific training for ebola
specifically because it never has hit American soil. There has been training for similar situations,
in regard to types of pathogens and bacterias. This company, I haven't seen them at any of the
training seminars or any of the training forums, but I can say that we've been doing it for over 20
years.
1:19: There's zero margin for error. The types of suits that we use, what they're going in with
currently is a level C suit, level C PP Protective equipment. We go in with level B, which is
supplied oxygen, means we're going in with oxygen tanks, very similar to what you see in the
movies.
1:35 Is your company doing this work at all?
We do have some government work with the ebola virus, on state and federal level. We're not
doing the actual one for the apartment, that was done by a separate company in Texas.

2.00: What goes into cleaning?

There's two different methodologies there's A, which is the type that is to clean everything.
We're a company that uses the motto when it doubt, rip it out. If we feel that it's been touched,
we're taking it out, we're having it incinerated. They're currently doing the cleaning method,

which is they're using chemicals to treat all the areas he may have touched.
2.30: Some companies don't want to get involved?
There's about seventy companies that were requested, some of the big companies that you may
have heard of the ServePros, the Servicemmm[garbled]. No one wants to touch this. Nobody.

2.45: Worst case scenario? Are we gonna have enough people to contain this?
Probably not. And I say that I don't want to sound pessimistic, but the fact of the matter is, with
government doing what they're doing with the permits, like hearing that these guys had to wait
five days for a permit you can't waste five days to get a permit when you're talking about
dangerous, deadly viruses. I don't want to hear about red tape, I want to hear about actions. The
CDC, Homeland Securities, they need to get on top of this. When somebody needs something
done, it needs to get done that day. Not wait for permits, for the Department of Texas to allow
them to transport the hazardous waste on the roads that was ridiculous. I got appalled when I
heard that.

AM Quad Cities WOC 1420 undated:

http://m.woc1420.com/onair/am-quad-cities-55209/ebola-cleanup-12838240
0.48: What's the process to start cleaning an area that has been exposed?
Well right now the biggest thing is quarantining the areas, and finding out where to start and
where to finish. You know, this is in my opinion, like with the apartment, I thought they did a
very good job with where they started from they started from the parking lot in, which is
fantastic, and that's where we would have started. Parking lot in. Different methodologies for
different states we prefer doing the incineration method, which means when in doubt, rip it
out. If there's a question that he may have touched it, breathed on it, looked at it sideways,
we're gonna take it out if it can hold the virus. And I mean, there are certain materials that can
hold certain materials that can be cleaned. If you have a glass-topped table, that could be cleaned.
It is a non-porous material. But porous materials, like these comforters we're talking about, and
mattresses I think they should all be incinerated. Everything should be triple-wrapped, brought
to the kilns, set on fire.
1.54: The crews on tv looked under-equipped?
Uh, you know, we've had conversations with the CDC about this, and federal and government
agencies I completely disagree with their methodology. Our men walk around in Class A or Class B
suits. Those are the ones you're familiar with seeing in the movies. Yellow, big screens on the front,
clear screens, with oxygen tanks. That's the way we do it. They went in with Level C PPE, which was,
you know, respirators, that you can buy at Home Depot. I personally don't agree with the methodology
that they were doing, but it's their choice. Our men and women, when we've done everything from the
Anthrax to all different types of pathogens and bacterias, we go with a higher suit. I agree I see some
of the guys in the video walking around with sweatshirts and t-shirts and jeans, and I'm like 'O-kay

different companies, different men have different opinions.

2:48: What kind of disinfectant do you use?
When it comes to this situation? Again, we choose in a situation like this, we choose to do very
little cleaning. We do mainly containment. Containment is it's a much better viable option, in
our opinion. We have Dr. Joseph Monaco that works here he's our chief medical officer, and
myself, as the chief safety officer. We choose to encapsulate everything, which means when we
take out a comforter, a mattress, we're gonna wrap it four times over again, hermetically seal it,
remove of all the oxygen from it, we're gonna take it out with us, and we're gonna contain it and
bring it to an incinerator set it on fire at 3-4,000 degrees.
But you're not gonna torch the room, though?
They're doing cleaning, with chemicals. I personally don't like chemicals bleach will work. I
kid you not, bleach will actually work. It'll break down the molecular structure, but it doesn't
change the fact I don't feel comfortable using it.
You can't torch the apartment. Or an ambulance...
Well the ambulance has hard surfaces. The hard surfaces, I like to use multiple different stages.
If you're going to clean it, use not one, not two, not three I would use about seven different
methodologies. Liquids, which is the chemicals. Gases, which are chemicals. Ozonation, which is
extra-particulates of oxygen. I would definitely do it with several different approaches. I would
take the entire ambulance, drive it directly into a storage facility, and treat it from the outside in.
I mean, from the paint into the inside. Everything gets decontaminated. I'm talking about tires
the whole nine yards. There's no room for error on something like this. Error can create lives lost.
It's not worth it. And especially in this industry, there is no insurance. There is no insurance company
in the world that's gonna insure call up Allstate and say hi, we're cleaning up the ebola virus, we
need insurance. They're not they wouldn't even insure you if you live near the water, forget about if
you're cleaning up the ebola virus. You have to be perfect.

5.00: Have you coordinated with the government?

Absolutely. Absolutely. You know, they vetted out several companies. Uh, we obviously come
out on top, since we dealt with things from anthrax to different types of pathogens, bacterias
before. We've been doing this for over 20 years. We have a very, very good reputation with the
government in twenty years, we've never had an issue. So, they are usually calling us first, and
we go through the standard operating procedures and processes that need to be done. We are
working with the airports currently. There is a lot of stuff coming in and out of the airports that
has to be decontaminated. Camera crews, you know, sitting their videotaping close-up shots of
people with ebola. All that camera equipment has to be decontaminated. All of it those are
going to be done with gases, liquids mainly gases, because of the fact that you can't destroy the
computer chip, so its gonna be a lot of gases, a lot of pressurized gas.

WJIM 1240, Lansing(?) Website 10/9/2014

http://wjimam.com/what-is-the-government-not-telling-us-about-ebola/
Cleaning crews were days later sent to Duncans home to rid the facility of potentially contaminated
materials. 150 barrels of items were removed.
Those crews were wearing hazmat suits. But Sal Pain, a Bio-Recovery expert, who appeared on the
Steve Gruber Show today on 1240 WJIM-AM, says even with the gear they were wearing, they
were woefully under-protected for the job at hand.
Pain says protocol dictates that those who could potentially come in contact with a deadly virus
be protected from head to toe in gear that is designed for the job. He says its lucky that even
more arent showing symptoms of the virus.
President Obamas attention to the problem is concerning as well. He has rarely shown the type of
concern hes displaying now over the Ebola issue. And that is leaving some to wonder what the
government could know that we dont.
For Pain,who admits hes only speculating, he sees the answer is frightening.but simple.
Fox News Radio undated
http://radio.foxnews.com/2014/10/06/dealing-with-ebola-cleanup/

Sal Pain is chief foreman and safety officer with Bio-Recovery Corporation, a
organization that has been contracted to deal with Ebola waste. Pain says
the government does not want to be held accountable for such a
dangerous decontamination.
(Pain) If they were to do it they would be held responsible, everyone is
trying to shift liability on something like this. No one wants to take the
liability on this.
Pain says priority number one is safety, his workers don hazmat suits with
oxygen supplied, adding
(Pain) Anything that could have been touched, Im taking it out, Im going
to bring to down to a size that can fit inside an incinerator and Im having
it set on fire.
Pain says another obstacle is trying to find a receptacle for Ebola waste as
not every state is permitted to dispose of it.
Jessica Golloher, FOX News Radio.

[Was on Kevin and Karen's Wednesday Rundown, Baton Rouge Radio, 6.21 am (no date)

for Baton Rouge's Morning News, 5:30-9 AM on News Radio

1150 WJBO.
6:21 AM - Cleaning up after the Ebola virus. Is it really clean?
Guest: Bio Recovery Corp. Foreman Sal Pain, specializing in
cleaning up hazardous locations.] cannot access actual
interview or writeup.

USA Today Website 10/10/2014

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/10/08/ebola-business-insurance/16923001/

Sal Pain's hazardous waste removal company has transported trash contaminated
with the scariest of the scary, be it anthrax or asbestos, legionella to MRSA.
Now, for the first time in 30 years, he's facing a business challenge like none before.
His insurers won't cover him for Ebola.
"Ebola is different," Pain says. "Nobody wants to touch this with a 10-foot pole."
[Interesting maybe contact Brad Smith? : Brad Smith, vice president of CG Environmental-

Cleaning Guys which decontaminated the Dallas apartment of Thomas Eric

Duncan, the Liberian who died Wednesday, says the company is still negotiating with
its insurance company about what's covered.
"When they took us on, they knew what we did," Smith says. "But Ebola is new to the
United States of America. There is still a lot of information being gathered by a lot of
smart people right now."]
Insurance quarrels aren't stopping Pain's company, Bio-Recovery Corp, from
cleaning up planes quarantined for Ebola at John F. Kennedy International

Airport.
"This is our Michael Jordan moment. The fourth quarter," Pain says. "When
everyone else says no, we show up."

Al Jazeera
http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/real-money-with-alivelshi/2014/10/watch-the-manwhocleanedupthenycebolahome.html
Hired to clean up the apartment.
0.40: Most highly trained company out there that does this have done everything from anthrax to
MRSA to Ebola, Cdef any type of pathogen or bacteria that you can possibly put in front of us, we've
gone in front of and done. So in a situation like this the city had put some pre-emptive measures before,
and right before the contracts were signed and drafted we got a call that said be on standby, and we
went to the call of duty.
1.10 this is what we train for. I don't want to say we're excited about it, but we're excited to use all of
our training, all of our knowledge for a project.
1.25: You were asked to go down to Dallas, as well?
Yes. We had spoken to leading officials over in Texas, and there was some issues with different cost,
and their accepted amounts of what it would be, to remediate. We had explained to them that the costs
were going to push, with the situation with Mr. Duncan, over six figures. And they were looking for
more of a four-figure fix, or a three figure fix, or five figures. It just didn't fit with what we were
looking for. There was also an issue with protective equipment when you look at the video of what
they were wearing, it was a Level C, which is a much lower protective equipment. We go in with Class
A suits, which are the highest they get.

If you do things according to protocol, if everyone does things according to protocol, can ebola be
contained?
2.10: Honestly, no. I think the protocol needs to be raised a little bit, still. I know the CDC just put out
a new package, two hours ago, to hospitals, changing the PPE requirements, again. Protective
equipment, one more time. This is the third time the CDC has raised it in one month. So they're
obviously getting more in tune to the fact that the regular protective equipment cannot be taken off
easily, cannot be decontaminated easily, and there's a lot of chance that the health-care workers can get
affected by that.
2.53: We deal with approximately 1000 crime scenes a year... ETC.

We have about 100 employees. Most are ex-military, ex police/law enforcement/fire department. Was a
smaller group of volunteers, because no vaccination.

Youtube Channel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehWHeskyB08&list=UUs0gMDq8AjFQQM56jT0Fs-Q&index=3

Eyewitness News ABC: Newark Nurse

4.31: Bio-recovery team spent several hours sterilizing his apartment.
6.00: Owner paid privately for Gutter cleanup. Every hole of every bowling ball going to be steamcleaned, disinfected,
Crew of 9-12 men, depending on how many finish up with the other job over in harlem. Will take about
6-12 hours.
Given the all-clear by the health-department, but are gonna take the extra step, voluntarily. Posted on
FB that crew was very busy still waiting to hear when they'll be arriving. Supposed to open at two.
Pain says they're going to a third location, after contracted by the owner of a multi-family dwelling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1Hpc4hceyI&index=3&list=UUs0gMDq8AjFQQM56jT0Fs-Q
Dan Maduri News Talk Florida:
1.00 what's involved in cleaning up a space:
reuglations and requirements put out by like 600 govt. agencies. We go more. Scuba suits, class A, etc.
Bleach is best way to do it.
WEIRD 2.54; lots of people have been asking us for help we don't want to take their money.
3.54 there's no way to treat this stuff if it was truly airborne. We're probably the largest truly Haz-Mat
company out there If other companies will do it, we just don't do it. We only do it when nobody else
does.

4.40: Has it surprised you how unprepared the CDC and federal government was for this?
REMEMBER, THEY DO SIGN THE CHECK THAT GOES TO MY OFFICE.
I would like to see some more preparedness out of them. I would like to see them I don't want to say
close borders, but I think its looking that way. I think I would feel more comfortable. Because for every
one person that comes over here I don't want to inconvenience anyone, but one person vs like
hundreds and thousands of people.
6.05: My men and women put their lives on the line when we do this job. When we do this, anthrax,
any of these terrible things this is our lives on the line. We get paid well, but these are the situations
we don't even like.

WILS 1320:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n31j12kIjiA&index=4&list=UUs0gMDq8AjFQQM56jT0Fs-Q
Cleaned every hole of every ball. Gas, heat, everything.
3.00 Family in Texas, everything had been incinerated. I think that's a little overkill. There are things
that can be cleaned. (Conflicts with what he says, before?)

3.49: Ebola can stay in a milk container for a long time.

4.24 cleaning cost less than 50,000 dollars.
4.58 NOT easily transmitted; 10,000 doctors without borders folks working with patients every day
in partial protection, level C at best, and they're fine.
I like the idea of quarantining.
6.45 we went the extra nine with this. With anthrax, there's a cure. Here, whole different thing.
7.00 Don't think this is going to go away any time soon. The sporadics are gonna become more
sporadic. Simple mathematical equation.

WOW Dr. Monaco mentioned at 8.20 My chief scientist in our office, who has a double PhD, four
Masters', and teaches for the courses for the department of environmental conservation and the
environmental protection agency he begs to differ.
9.20 the cost of what happened with dr. spencer's house the city millions of dollars???
Do work all over the country, including here in Michigan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-M-V5ChEIo&list=UUs0gMDq8AjFQQM56jT0Fs-Q&index=5
5.03 We've been doing this now for 30 years, check google, better business bureau. Selling home
meth test kits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oizVZs262g&list=UUs0gMDq8AjFQQM56jT0Fs-Q&index=6
CNBC Chief Security Officer.
0.48: Right now the tough part was the chemicals, and picking what kind of chemical solvent to use,
because there has been no extensive testing on Ebola. We treated it with actually the best methodology
approved by the CDC bleach. 10 percent bleach.
1.10: We're not using any kinds of robots, or droids, or droid-type animated machines.
1.38 usually takes between 8-15 hours.
2.00 int. asks him about level suits, and oxygen tanks. He says CDC moved from low C to high C,
we only use a level A suit. Story keeps changing.
2.34 We train for stuff like this every single day 360 days a year, give or take. Our everyday
business is hazardous waste, or biohazardous waste.
3.20 the stuff that we would be removing is anything that would be in close proximity with his body
toothbrushes, soaps his food. NOT WHAT HE SAID A FEW WEEKS AGO!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ATALNehdoc&list=UUs0gMDq8AjFQQM56jT0Fs-Q&index=7
6.20 simple, hourly formula.
6.45 five percent or less loss rate toothbrushes, paper towels, etc. Not that bad this is acceptable.
10/27/2014.
7.23 I'm telling you, if we're gonna sign off on this and give a certificate of cleanliness that it has
been done properly if I say it has to go, it has to go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpIUcvkgPok&list=UUs0gMDq8AjFQQM56jT0Fs-Q&index=8
0.50 Usually our difficulty is big government regulation, protocol. For the first time, our insurance
company on twenty-something years said we have no appetite for this coverage. They're saying

since there is no vaccine, no real treatment, they're worried about mortality. 2-5 million dollars
coverage for mortality.
1.51. Sure, but we've got 30 years experience. And it's not experience in the classroom we cleaned up
anthrax!
2.15 we went to the secondary market, we contacted 700 insurance carriers. Not one of them had an
appetite for it. We finally have two companies looking at it: one in London you can guess who
[chuckles] and the other one in Hong Kong. And they're possibly gonna do it, but they're talking
250,000 premiums for a 24-hour policy.
3.15 the type of suits that we wear are impervious to anything. What you see in the movies.
3.47 Right now you have another company that wasn't certified, the way we are. They did do a
cleanup I have grave concerns about what had transpired, and I've spoken to many, many people
about this, from state government and media. We are certified to a level A suit, which is the level suit
that you see in the movies. That's what we do. The other companies, most companies, 99% of 'em,
they're certified to a level C suit, which is a respirator you buy at home depot, a Tyvek suit you buy at
home depot. Or Lowes. I personally would never walk in and deal with the most dangerous virus that's
ever hit US soil with something that can be bought from a janitorial supply store. I'm going in with full
gear.
5.07: I thank God for working for this company. We have one of the greatest companies to work for in
the world, in my opinion. This company has done something unprecedented, which is they're taking the
liability themselves. The owners here are putting up all liability against the company. This is a
company that employs almost 100 Americans. We have offices throughout the country. Our owners
and Chief Financial Officers have said we'll go to the call of duty. Whatever it takes. If we have to put
up our company as collateral millions of dollars at stake here, of a company. They're willing to do it.
Because we've done this before we can do it again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhjjoCa2QzU&list=UUs0gMDq8AjFQQM56jT0Fs-Q&index=9
0.14 In Dallas, there had been a HazMat team, where Duncan had been living. Doesn't say they did it.
0.40 Sal: It's extremely difficult.
1.30 we consider everything to be potentially ebola-containing. Every remote control. He may have
taken the batteries out of the remote control. These intricate details, every item is where the painstaking
time takes. These time clocks could be anywhere from 10 hours to 100 hours.
2.20 when we did the anthrax, back in the day, we did it perfectly.
2.35 I've been in that situation we're doing some government work with the ebola right now in
New York, in other states. (INTERVIEW PUBLISHED 10/17).
decontaminating news crew cameras.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSgyQvP3av8&index=10&list=UUs0gMDq8AjFQQM56jT0Fs-Q
October 14th.
~0.50 For 20+ years we have cleaed up some of the most remarkable situations this country has ever
seen Anthrax, MRSA, Cdef, and now Ebola. We cannot get insurance for this product. And that's
what it is, it's a product, a stream of product.
2.00 We're gonna do em uninsured, we're gonna put up a bond with the company as collateral. We're
a multi-million dollar company, we have a market cap probably in the mid-eight figures. We're willing
to risk it, because we know what we do. This is another day at the office for us it really is. A class A
suit is a class A suit. If I'm dealing with H1N1 or I'm dealing with Ebola, it's the same suit, it's the same
decontamination process. This is what we do, it's what we've been doing for thirty years almost. And
we're going to get it done.
2.48 We're talking costs of 250-500,000 dollars for some of these cleanups, these more advanced
cleanups. For a hospital, much cheaper, because they're controlled environments 5-10k. But for a
shopping mall, or a school? We're talking big big numbers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3UIT-XVU4c&list=UUs0gMDq8AjFQQM56jT0FsQ&index=11
1.30 in a hospital, you're in a controlled environment. You can put a robot in there, ultraviolet light
can be pulsated at it...
2.41 we had the same problem with the anthrax in 2001...lots of places wouldn't take it. We findally
found a state that would take it. Lots of states wouldn't even allow us to drive through their state with
the material in our truck.
Overboard with this Louisiana thing no contamination has ever survived an incinerator in history.
3.32 if government officials would listen, one scientist would explain if you heat something up to
3,000 degrees...
4.15 when something is incinerated, there is nothing that can survive it. No chemical, no DNA...
4.24 the other thing, when the Texas guys did the cleanup to begin with they had to wait 2 days for
a permit? [ELSEWHERE SAYS 5 DAYS] This is big government, just really overstepping their
bounds. Let it stick to the scientists, let us the environmentalists, like myself, that know what we're
doing. We're not going to hurt a place we live in.

4.44: We have offices throughout the country, from New York to California. We have international
offices in Canada.
[~4.55 we didn't do the Dallas thing].

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8mjMfviLyg&index=12&list=UUs0gMDq8AjFQQM56jT0Fs-Q
0.50 with a company like ours, that's been doing this for 30 years, almost...
1.30 It's called self-insuring. You're saying you're basically putting up the company as collateral,
that if something were to happen you're giving up all rights to the company. Our CEO, COO, and CFO
have agreed to this already on several occasions, with this type of situation. It's a huge risk, but the
believe in us. AS A TEAM, WE'VE DONE THESE TYPES OF SITUATIONS BEFORE, WE'VE
DONE THE ANTHRAX, and MRSA.You know, we've done communicable diseases for thirty years. I
hate to say it, but Ebola? It's another day at the office, for guys like us. It is scary, because there's no
known vaccine. But the type of protection we wear? It's a level A suit...
[3.10]...When we're pricing out an Ebola job, or an anthrax job, we're doing it knowing we're gonna
incinerate the suits.
The suits are steamed, cleaned and disinfected, packaged up, and then incinerated that day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3JH3lk_xIs&index=13&list=UUs0gMDq8AjFQQM56jT0Fs-Q
Al Jazeera, 10/14

0.50: we've trained for this. We did the anthrax...We've been insured since the founders started the
company back in the early 90s. And we've always had insurance. During the anthrax, we obviously had
to work on our policy and speak with our carrier this time, they didn't want to hear anything about it.
Nobody had an appetite for this kind of coverage.
1.40 we turned a job down because we could get insurance, possibly, but the cost wasn't there. It was
for a cleaning decontamination over by an airport, small contract under 10k. The insurance
companies we're talking to overseas, one in Hong Kong and one in London, want over 250,000 dollars
for a 24-hour period.
OOH at 2.50, go to the Dallas guy, who says his company had coverage the entire time, insurance not
an issue. [Pain goes off for a good ways].

3.30 HazMat people make an average of 18 bucks an hour. I imagine at an Ebola site you're going to
have to be paid a lot more than that, and sign a lot of waivers.
25 waivers. It is a process to get the volunteers in our organization to work on it. once they sign the
documents with council they have to get their own representation if they choose to do it, it's a very
simple process, if you're wearing the right protective equipment.
JAMES MICHEL, safety officer with Crime Scene Cleanup Association. In HazMat Suit.
This is what you should be wearing.
4.55 these cost approximately 2-3,000 dollars.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgJfo1sInHo&index=14&list=UUs0gMDq8AjFQQM56jT0Fs-Q
10/13
Paine says the government does not want to be held accountable for such a dangerous decontamination.
Everybody is trying to shift liability...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHv9cto02UY&index=15&list=UUs0gMDq8AjFQQM56jT0Fs-Q
10/13
Sal Pain is CEO of a company called Bio-Recovery Corporation
0.20 He believes the HazMat gear worn by the Dallas crews was inadequate. They were awarded the
contract, boviously, because they were the lowest bidder. He says only suits providing their own
oxygen are safe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsLKKqgqBQE&list=UUs0gMDq8AjFQQM56jT0FsQ&index=16
10/10 Sal Pain owns a hazardous waste removal company...

0.39 there's really nothing that has been confirmed to work, for a fact, every time.

HOST 1.20 hazmat stock has been the hottest stock in the country, this week...

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Weird report about doing something like Ebola in NY Our crews in Dallas are doing the exact same
thing.

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This is not easy, is it?

0.47: No. This is comparable to when we did the Ebola in 2001. This is some scary stuff.
As a person so close to it, how do you judge it?
1.10 I think unless government starts putting together better quarantine areas [etc.] I do see an
issue here, I really do. And I've been dealing with pathogens, bacterias, and terrorism-types of antiwarfare for decades. This is scary. This needs to be quarantined better. I think that there's been too
much, too lax of a process with the CDC, with Homeland Security, with governments. Me personally,
I'm doing the cleanups. After we do a cleanup, they're not quarantining us? I think that's ludicrous. We
offered to be quarantined. As we should be!
You know, we're using the right proper protective equipment . when we put together the strategic
plan, with multiple different governments and states, we stated that our men should be quarantined.
And they decided not to. The guys that just finished up in Texas, they're on the news, talking about
how they're doing the cleanup. You know, my personal opinion? Quarantine. It's all about quarantine.
That's the most important thing. When we're doing a cleanup, you need to segregate areas, find out
what's hot and what's cold. And then once you figure out what that is, go an additional 20 feet in each
direction. Because you need to make sure you get it all. I'm not really thrilled . right now, thank God,
I've been working with Connecticut. I was on the phone with government officials yesterday, putting
together a strategic plan for the future. And that's the big thing, because right now the way its going
over there, its not going right. I'm hoping that the other states will get on board with working with us,
putting together a strategic plan from the future.
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4.00 I'll tell you, out of all the states we're dealing with, between Connecticut and Pennsylvania, so
far, I think they've been the most in tune to going and looking into the future. Your government

officials have been calling us, asking us for assistance.

4.28 Standard operating procedures. That's what our company's based on. IS BUILDING
PROCESSES AND PROCEDURES SO THAT WHEN SOMETHING HAPPENS, WE CAN GET IT
DONE. WHEN THE ANTHRAX, IN 2001 THERE WAS A THOUSAND COMPANIES THAT
WERE ELIGIBLE TO DO IT. THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS PREPARED FOR IT WAS US, AND
WE WERE ABLE TO DO IT. IT WAS ONE OF THE HARDEST PROCESSESS I'VE EVER HAD
TO BE A PART OF.
5.00 I'M ACTUALLY GONNA BE ON THE PHONE, I DON'T KNOW WITH WHO, IF IT'S
GONNA BE THE GOVERNOR OR NOT. BUT I DO KNOW I HAVE A MEETING TODAY WITH
STATE OFFICIALS, ITS A CONFERENCE CALL, WITH SEVERAL DOCTORS INVOLVED,
DIFFERENT PEOPLE WITH REGARDS TO SETTING UP STANDARD OPERATING
PROCEDURES FOR IN CASE SOMETHING HAPPENS. WHAT TO QUARANTINE, WHO TO
SPEAK TO, HOW TO SET UP THE BARRIERS. IT'S GOTTA BE DONE. WITHOUT
QUARANTINING THIS, PEOPLE WILL DIE. I'M GONNA SAY IT RIGHT OUT LOUD. PEOPLE
WILL DIE IF THIS ISN'T DONE RIGHT.

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0.20 well there's two different methodologies. You can either chemically treat it, or you can do when
in doubt, rip it out. When in doubt, rip it out is usually the standard operating procedure with us, which
means removing any of the soft fabrics, any type of things that cannot be cleaned through traditional
methods mattresses, sheets, stuff like that we're gonna end up encapsulating it, inside of
hermetically sealing it inside of bags and bringing it to the incinerator and having it set of fire at several
thousand degrees. Its the most economical and most effective approach.
1.04. You know, our men and women are trained to do this all year long. We do hundreds and
hundreds, if not a thousand hours a year of training, for these moments we did the Anthrax in 2001
it was very similar to this.
1.30 You need to have the Environmental Protection Agency, the Department of Environmental
Conservation allow you to transport hazardous, potentially fatal bacterias, pathogens, waste, anthrax,
stuff like that. These are all very dangerous materials, and they don't trust anyone transporting it.

2.00 There's multiple different methods you can use, there are different chemicals. The chemical
that actually works probably the best would be the gases. I like using gases because the fact that its
molecular structure is so much thinner than a liquid. If you take a drop of water and you put it on top of
a table, it sits there. When you take a gas, it will actually penetrate through the wood, through the sheet
rock. It will go in to crevices that your hands cannot actually reach. I prefer gases, usually. The liquids
spraying it on there and wiping it off it's a methodology that I just don't personally like to use too
much.
2.44 I think we were more concerned when we found out they didn't want to quarantine us.

When we do these kinds of jobs, we turn over quarantine orders, saying we're willing to be quarantined
for X amount of days.
WHOLE DISCUSSION AROUND THIS we're paid hazard pay anyway. I don't mind sitting in a
condo for five days, eating junk food and watching bad TV.
They're not quarantining the cleanup companies, which does give me great concern. I don't agree with
their methodology there. My family, personally If I'm going into a cleanup situation, I do want to be
quarantined. I don't want to hurt my family.
3.30 we're very different from the other company that's doing it in Texas. We don't use respirators,
we don't use filtration I don't trust it. I want my men and women breathing --- some other air
(paraphrase).
4.30 I think people should be quarantined for several days. Temperatures should be taken, cultures
should be taken, blood samples should be taken. And then once an all-clear is good, I would have had
them leave the situation, brought to a specific location that could have been monitored and quarantined,
and had them put up there for a couple days. It's not going to kill anyone to be quarantined. I've been
quarantined myself before it's not a bad experience. [Laughs].
4.58: I would strongly advise, and I've spoken to multiple government officials, I was just dealing with
Connecticut and Pennsylvania, I have another meeting with Connecticut today, with some leading
government officials, when we're setting up the standard operating procedures for the future, is to
quarantine my men. Including myself. I'm the first one to sign the paperwork saying, after we're done
with a situation, lock us up. Lock us up, let us sit there, take my temperature, take my culture, pull my
blood make sure that I'm good. I don't want to hurt my family, I don't want to hurt other people. I
want to know that when I come out, I'm safe and everyone around me will be safe too.

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0.30 we're not doing the apartment in Texas, we have several contracts with Ebola cleanups for the
future. And we've done anthrax, other types of communicable diseases. It's not our first rodeo in 30
years.
1.33 right now they've been classifying it as a Level B HazMat suit, which is what we've been using
since the beginning. Level B is gonna be rubber-lined suits, we're gonna have SCUBA gear ETC.
2.05 in a situation like this, can't you just name your price?
You know what we actually thought that, when it came with the anthrax, we were gonna throw out a
crazy number and just say listen, we'll do it for this because we should be able to get it done for that,
and that crazy number actually turned out not to be so crazy by the time you figure out all the
associated costs. You know the big thing that these guys are gonna have a problem with, and the same
thing that we had a problem with with anthrax, was what do you do with it? Okay, you clean it up,
you get it into bags, into haz mat bags what do you do with it? There's only a specific amount of
places in the world that even want to touch what you have in that bag and incinerate it. You can't just
bring it to your local landfill. You have to get them to a site that allows to take it, and then you also
have to get permission to drive through every state to get the material to that site. When we had the
anthrax, we had it in New York. We got rid of it in Florida. We had to drive through 13 states, and in
13 states, I had two governors who said no, you're not allowed to drive through my state with that
material. We had to drive around their states. I mean, it gets very very costly. Can you name your
price? Yeah, but it has to be also within reason. With this process, though, maybe millions of dollars,
definitely.
3.45 more arguments for quarantining for a couple days.

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