10 a 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19° 20 a 22 23 24 25 a ......—/! 2116 For the handle of the bat that's black that I couldn't see any staining with the naked eye, I swabbed the entire handle to see if there is any possible blood on that bat, did chemical testing on that swab and that was positive for blood as well. Q So I'm asking, if you just swabbed for blood -- and I asked if that was correct -- that's correct, you're swabbing for blood, right? A I'm swabbing for possible staining. Q For staining? A That's correct. Q Now, are you familiar with what's called touch DNA? A Yes, I am. Q All right. And touch DNA is -- as human beings, if we touch something, there's a possibility of transferring our cells on to another surface, correct? B That's correct. Q All right. So, for instance, if I touched -~ if I have something -~ Let me -- You're an expert. So let me ask you a hypothetical. A sure. Q Derek Jeter. You know who Derek Jeter is,24 25 es: ap 2117 right? A Yes, I do. Q He gets up to the plate. He's holding a bat, right? And he's holding the bat in his hand -- A Correct. Q -- firmly, right? He's waiting for a pitch. A Correct. Q And you come over and take the bat from him, Is it safe to say that some of his -- that touch DNA would apply where some of his cells were transferred to the handle or portions of that bat? A Well, specifically in your sample, counselor, Derrick Jeter always wears gloves when he's at the plate. Q No, no, no, we're not talking’ about gloves. Let's say he didn't have gloves. A Okay. @ I'm a Mets fan. Let's say this now. A I'm sorry. Q That's all right. Me, too. So let's say he doesn't have gloves on and he grabs the bat, right? A Correct.