Case: State of Missouri v. Darren Wilson Transcript of: Grand Jury Volume VI Date: September 23, 2014 This transcript is printed on 100% recycled paper Gor: Rea 515 Olive Street, Suite 300 St. Louis, MO 63101 (314) 241-6750 1-800-878-6750 Fax: (314) 241-5070 Email: schedule@goreperry.com Internet: < >State of Missouri v. Darren Wilson Grand Jury Volume VI September 23, 2014 Page 1 DARREN WILSON GRAND JURY VOLUME VI Gore Perry Reporting and Video FAX 314-241-6750 314-241-6750 www. goreperry.com Electronically slaned by bbbb45b50-5910-4300-2414-0484017 0cb03Electronically slaned by State of Miss: iv. Darren Wilson Grand Jury Volume VI September 23, 2014 5 South Central Avenue, in 16 of Mi. souri, on the rd day o: 17 before 1 SUIT COURT OF LOUIS COUNTY 2 STATE OF MISSOURI 3 4 STATE OF MISSOURI 6 ee 8 9 DARREN WILSON 10 1 12 The following is a hearing before the Grand 13 Jury of St. Louis County, at the offices of st. 14 Louis County Prosecuting Attorney's Office, 100 the City of Clayton, eptember, State 2014, FAX 314-241-6750 Gore Perry Reporting and Video 314-241-6750 www. goreperry.com bbb45b59-53 1¢-4399-8414-6484917ac803State of Mi: souri v. Darren Wilson Grand Jury Volume VI September 23, 2014 3 1 APPEARANCES OF COUNS 2 3. FOR THE STATE: 4 Ms. Kathi Alizadeh & Ms. Sheila Whirley 5 t Prosecuting Attorneys for ouis é 7 100 South Central Avenue, 2nd Floor 8 Clayton, MO 63105 9 (314) 615-2600 10 1 12 13 14 16 7 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 Gore Perry Reporting and Video FAX 314-241-6750 314-241-6750 www.goreperry.com Electronically slaned by bbbb45b50-5910-4300-2414-0484017 0cb03State of Missouri v. Darren Wilson Grand Jury Volume VI September 23, 2014 Page 5 GRAND JURY HEARING On Officer Darren Wilson's testimony he mentioned in the physical layout that Mr. Brown ran almost to a light pole before he turned around. Do we have a diagram with that light pole on it? MS. ALIZADEH: I will have to look and see ew Ao es wn if it is included in the diagram. I'm sure there 9 are pictures and videos that you will see, be able 10 to see the light pole in those images and then if 11 necessary, when we have a witness who is familiar 12 with the scene, if need be, we could have them using 13 our diagram, which has already been in evidence 14 point out to you where the light pole exactly is. 15 : All right, very good. 16 MS. ALIZADEH: Good morning. uv {All jurors say good morning.) 18 MS, ALIZADEH: This is Kathi Alizadeh with 19 the prosecutor's office, present is Sheila whirley 20 with the prosecutor's office, all 12 grand jurors 21 are present today, it is September 23rd, as well as 22 the court reporter or the stenographer who is taking 23 down what is being said. We are also recording, 24 audio recording, that's happening in the grand jury 25 right now, Gore Perry Reporting and Video FAX 314-241-6750 314-241-6750 Www.goreperry.com Electronically slaned by bbbb45b50-5910-4300-2414-0484017 0cb03State of Missouri v. Darren Wilson Grand Jury Volume VI September 23, 2014 Page 6 I wanted to make some preliminary remarks. Now is the, in the next couple of days and a few weeks, I suppose, we are going to be hearing testimony from some people say that they are eyewitnesses of parts of this incident. And many of them have already had, been interviewed, all of them have been interviewed by law enforcement at some ew Ao es wn point. And as far as I can think of, almost all of 9 them have been recorded by law enforcement as far as 10 their interviews. 11 As you know, we are recording, audio 12 recording everything that's being said as well as 13 taking down by court stenographer everything that is 14 being said. 15 That is an extraordinary thing that in my 16 experience, we've never done before. And, you know, 17 the proceedings in the grand jury are historically, 18 have been secret and people who appear before the 19 grand jury are testifying in secret and it is 20 usually not disclosed that they testified or what 21 they said. But in the interest of the public's need 22 to know that this investigation is thorough and 23 fair, my boss, Robert McCulloch, has decided to do 24 this extraordinary thing, which is to record 25 everything. And if there is sometime down the road Gore Perry Reporting and Video FAX 314-241-6750 314-241-6750 Www.goreperry.com Electronically slaned by bbbb45b50-5910-4300-2414-0484017 0cb03State of Missouri v. Darren Wilson Grand Jury Volume VI September 23, 2014 Page 7 if there is ever an issue as to whether or not this investigation was thorough and fair, we will have those recordings to show exactly what was done. But as you can imagine, there are witnesses who are very uncomfortable who have information and are willing to come forward, but do not want their names disclosed on the record or ew Ao es wn where they live or, you know, their birthdate, any 9 identifying information about them and that's 10 understandable given what, you know, has happened in 11 our community in the past month about, you know, the 12 public's reaction to the incident and the 13 investigation into this. 14 And so because our goal is to get as much 15 information as possible so that you can decide the 16 facts in this case, we have decided that witnesses 17 who do not want their name or identifying 18 information about them to be on the record, we are 19 not going to put that on the record. 20 What we are going to do is when that 21 witness comes forward, he will be sworn, he or she 22 will be sworn, and then the court reporter will not 23 activate the audio recording initially. That 24 witness will then identify themselves to you by 25 their name and where they live, although I told them Gore Perry Reporting and Video FAX 314-241-6750 314-241-6750 Www.goreperry.com Electronically slaned by bbbb45b50-5910-4300-2414-0484017 0cb03State of Missouri v. Darren Wilson Grand Jury Volume VI September 23, 2014 Page 8 I'm not going to ask them for an address, mainly just south county, you know, I live in the Ferguson area, I live in north county, or what have you. And then those witnesses will be referred to, once they've given that identifying information, then I will have the court reporter start the audio recording at that point. So their testimony will ew Ao es wn still be recorded and the court reporter will 9 transcribe their testimony, but they will be 10 referred to by myself and in the court reporters 11 record by witness number. 12 Last night I made a list of every witness 13 who has appeared before you so far and just for the 14 sake of the record, we're just going to go 15 chronologically with the live witnesses as they've 16 testified. 17 So if you recall who was the 18 investigator with the Medical Examiner's Office, he 19 was witness number one. Number two was Detective 20 Number three was , although 21 will have to come back because we had to cut 22 him his testimony short, if you recall. 23 Number four was Dr. , the medical 24 examiner. Number five, . Number six 25 was Sergeant with the Ferguson Police Gore Perry Reporting and Video FAX 314-241-6750 314-241-6750 Www.goreperry.com Electronically slaned by bbbb45b50-5910-4300-2414-0484017 0cb03State of Missouri v. Darren Wilson Grand Jury Volume VI September 23, 2014 Page 9 Department. Number seven, Detective with the County Police Department. Number eight was Special Agent with the FBI and finally number nine, last week, was Darren Wilson, the Ferguson police officer. So we will continue to call witnesses and give them a number so that if they do not want to be ew Ao es wn identified on the record we will refer to them as 9 witness number 12, 15, you know, what have you. 10 Um, we are not going to do that for 11 witnesses who have been on the media because those 12 people have chosen to put themselves out there in 13 the public eye, they've identified themselves by 14 name, they're on TV, so those witnesses will, their 15 names will be on the record. I'll ask them their 16 name and, you know, where they live and in the 17. general vicinity where they live. 18 The other issue is that because we are 19 going to be playing recorded statements that these 20 people have made, and many, in fact, most of these 21 recorded statements, the statements begin with the 22 witness giving their name, their date of birth, 23 their social security number, their address and 24 sometimes, you know their cell phone numbers. 25 And, again, I believe that probably in the Gore Perry Reporting and Video FAX 314-241-6750 314-241-6750 Www.goreperry.com Electronically slaned by bbbb45b50-5910-4300-2414-0484017 0cb03