Secret Orgasm Tips Interview With Masterclass Transcript

Secret Orgasm Tips Interview
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Introduction
Greetings all,
Welcome to the Secret Orgasm Tips Interview transcription. Just a short preface this
transcription may not be 100% the same as the recordings of the interview I conducted
with The Master. But its close enough where you wont miss anything valuable.
For the purposes of this interview, at the time, the Master and I didnt really know what
we were going to do with it. Therefore, we referred to each other by our nick-names
Thundercat and Masterclass, for the sake of anonymity. So while reading this
transcription, keep in mind that I (Joseph Matthews) am Thundercat and The Master is
referred to as Masterclass.
Enjoy,
Joseph Matthews
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Thunder Cat:
Hey, whats up everyone? This is Thunder Cat here and I have the
great pleasure today to sit here and interview the one, the only,
Masterclass. Whats up Masterclass? Hows it going?
Masterclass:
Oh, its going great man. How are you?
Thunder Cat:
Im doing pretty good. Now for those of you who dont know who
Masterclass is. Hes-Im gonna go through your credentials here,
alright?
Masterclass:
By all means.
Thunder Cat:
Youre a certified hypnotist.
Masterclass:
Thats correct.
Thunder Cat:
And youre also a martial artist.
Masterclass:
Thats correct.
Thunder Cat:
How many black belts you got?
Masterclass:
Three.
Thunder Cat:
Three black belts. Youre a certified at handwriting analysis,

right?
Masterclass:
Im not quite certified but Ive been-Ive it studied extensively.

The only thing I never did was finish the actual written exam. Im
gonna talk to Bart about that though.
Thunder Cat:
Okay. And youre also and eastern medical guy, right?
Masterclass:
That is correct.
Thunder Cat:
Which means that you do what?
Masterclass:
I do acupuncture, and oriental medicine, and herbology, massage,

body work, needling.
Thunder Cat:
Are we leaving anything out here?
Masterclass:
Other than the topic of this particular interview? (Laughter)
Thunder Cat:
Well, were getting to that.
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Masterclass:
At this particular moment, no. I think that pretty much covers it.
Thunder Cat:
You also do a good Johnny Depp impersonation.
Masterclass:
____ (Laughter)
Thunder Cat:
Captain Jack Sparrow.
Masterclass:
Chicks love it, trust me on that.
Thunder Cat:
Ill take your word.
Masterclass:
Do. I can deconstruct it for you. Tell you why they love it.
Thunder Cat:
Well get to that. Well get to that. So, on top of that big resume
you got there. There was also the fact that you are pretty much an
expert in sexual mastery.
Masterclass:
That would be true.
Thunder Cat:
Now, in your own words, what exactly is sexual mastery?
Masterclass:
Sexual mastery is the ability to take any woman that youre with
and take her to levels of orgasm and pleasure that shes never
known and to do it in a very, very quick way and in such a way
that you become pretty much the ultimate amusement park ride in
her mind. When I use my techniques, and my techniques evolved
basically as a natural byproduct of just my adventures in various
lifestyles and things like that, but I noticed that after a certain
sequence of techniques, I started to get these really, really strong
responses and not only that, these people started buying me things.
I mean, theyd go out of their way to please me in any way I could
imagine. and thats a byproduct of being able to do the techniques
that were gonna talk about later on. But sexual mastery to me is
the ability to figure out any womans pleasure code and press it
multiple times and when you do that, you raise you raise yours
status or your stock in her eyes to the point where nobody can
compare. I tell the women I sleep with, Go out and sleep with
other men, cause I know youll be back.
Thunder Cat:
Thats pretty powerful claim.
Masterclass:
Yeah, but its one thats valid. Its verifiable. I mean, I-well go
into story after story throughout the interview but-and I have no
issues with that. I have no insecurities about it because I came
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from the swinging community where everybodys banging the girl

youre with and youre banging theirs. And I kept-Im the one that
kept getting the return visits.
Thunder Cat:
(Laughter) So, basically, lets start talking about some of the stuff
that you yourself have pioneered that youre gonna start sharing
with people in this upcoming book of yours. Now, lets start with
the most obvious choice. Lets start with getting a girl to sleep
with you. Like, lets just start with the very basics for guys out
there who maybe can get it up to that point but have a hard time
getting to the point where they can close the deal.
Masterclass:
Okay. Well, what point are we at? Are we-I mean do we have full
kinesthetics? What do we have?
Thunder Cat:
Yeah, lets say that its towards the end of the date
Masterclass:
Okay.
Thunder Cat:
Its ready to start escalating.
Masterclass:
Alright. Well, you usually start with a kiss goodnight. Which is

usually, depending on the personality of the-Ive closed women
where you know, Ive walked her to her car and I looked her in the
eye and go, Well, you know its that time. Its time for the kiss.
Are you ready? And she goes, Lay it on me. (Laughter) And I
do, right then and there. You know, and-I think the first kiss is a
big, big factor.
Thunder Cat:
Now, do you have any tactics or secrets when it comes to kissing

other than practice makes perfect or something like that?
Masterclass:
The first thing is-when I go for the kiss, is-and Ive seen this on a
couple of other peoples sex sites and things like that and I agree
with it whole heartedly-its to me the best way is when youre
going for the kiss, cup her face in your hands and do the first kiss
gently because what youre-this is where you deconstruct a little
bit-what youre doing on the first kiss, aside from trying to make
her knees buckle, which is the ultimate goal, if you can kiss a
woman and make her knees buckle, youre ready. Shes done.
Shes gonna do whatever you want her to do at that point. (Clears
throat) but what you really wanna focus on when you go for the
kiss is you wanna kiss her lightly. And the reason is you wanna
get an idea of how she kisses because thats gonna tell you how to
mirror it back to her. See, Ive kissed women who are fish kisses,
which I hate but-people tend to project onto their partner or the
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people theyre around the way they view the world, which is how
they view things as being right or wrong for them. And they tend
to do to you what they want done to them. So by figuring out how
do they kiss, and kissing them that way, you send a powerful
message cause if shes kissing you shes already got report now
youre taking it to a physical level. Youre taking it to a deep
sensual level by kissing her back the way she kisses you. And the
whole palm on the face thing-the hands on the face, thats just
magic. I cant tell you how many women Ive done that to on the
first kiss and their knees just buckled.
Thunder Cat:
Now, is it both hands or just one hand?
Masterclass:
I tend to use both. And Ill cup the cheek and perhaps the back of
the head and Ill pull her into me. You may even do the Hitch
Method, which is the 90/10 but
Thunder Cat:
90% of the way in and then she does the other 10%.
Masterclass:
Yeah.
Thunder Cat:
For those of you who didnt see the film.
Masterclass:
One of the things that I like to go for, if you really wanna know if
shes into you, watch how big her pupils get. The more they dilate,
the more shes into you.
Thunder Cat:
The more they dilate, the more that shes into you.
Masterclass:
Yeah. I have one girl that Im doing right now, when she looks at
me, her irises disappear. Theres nothing but black.
Thunder Cat:
Now, why is that?
Masterclass:
Well, theres different theories on it, but you know, I was reading a
book on body language not too-well, actually, it was quite a while
ago and they were saying that theres a subconscious response to
see more of you or desire to see more of you. From a medical
perspective, it goes back to stimulation of the ocular nervous
system. You know, when you get super stressed out, the eyes
dilate and when you get super excited, the eyes dilate. So, really
the-a lot of the response is whether youre in a flight or fight mode
or whether youre in an happy and excited mode. A lot of them are
the same physiological responses. Its just what emotion is driving
it and I think that has a lot to with it.
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Thunder Cat:
Alright, so you got the kiss. Okay, then you what, drag her into the
bedroom from there?
Masterclass:
Sometimes, depending on what they really want. Usually onceyou know, once Ive gauged her responses, thats when Ill pull her
in to me, thats when Ill put my arm around her waist and Ill
really, you know, do the Ret Butler, you know, Scarlet type of a
kiss.
Thunder Cat:
Yeah, bend her over and kiss her
Masterclass:
Mm-hmm.
Thunder Cat:
Not bend her over, but
Masterclass:
Ill bend her over later.
Thunder Cat:
Yeah. Tilt her back and kiss her.
Masterclass:
Yeah. Ive done that on a couple of things and they swoon. I

mean, guys, if youve never kissed a woman and had her swoon,
that-there is nothing like that feeling in the world.
Thunder Cat:
Big ego trip, Im sure.
Masterclass:
Oh, my God.
Thunder Cat:
(Laughter)
Masterclass:
Oh, my God. Its like, that makes your night right there cause-but
pretty much, once you get a woman swooning, you basically write
your own ticket cause shes up for anything that you wanna do at
that point. As long as you dont violate her values, right off the
bat.
Thunder Cat:
You hear that guys, as long as you dont violate her values right
away. That doesnt mean that youll be able to not do it later.
Masterclass:
Well, what happens is as she gets more and more into you and you
go through some of the techniques in the order that I talk about
them, her values become extraordinarily malleable and that means
that a lot of things she told you she wasnt willing to do prior to
your first one or two couplings, she becomes quite open to very
quickly.
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Thunder Cat:
And thats some of the dark stuff well be getting into a little bit
later.
Masterclass:
Yeah. I was hesitant to talk about this stuff, but, you know, you
kind of talked me into it
Thunder Cat:
Yeah, we
Masterclass:
Thats not just marketing, folks. Trust me.
Thunder Cat:
We do have to preference this with a bit of a warning because

when you guys try this stuff, you will experience some of what
Davids going to talk about
Masterclass:
Oh, my God.
Thunder Cat:
And there are problems, but Im sure theyre gonna be problems

that every guy wished he had.
Masterclass:
There-you know, its funny. You hear guys like Mark

Cunningham talk about how women would break down his door or
jump the fences to get into his house at all hours of the night. And
one of the things that happens is that once you understand how to
unlock-you know-if youve ever seen the Star Trek movies and
you hear them talk about the prefix code. You know, go see the
Wrath of Khan, youll understand what Im talking about. Once
you understand how to do that and-you can do it, not just on a
mental level which is hypnotic in a sense, but Im not-the approach
I take isnt through hypnosis in the conventional sense. Its all
through sexual technique and understanding how to manage the
emotions and states that shes going through.
Thunder Cat:
And were gonna get into that in just a little bit. So we got her
kissing
Masterclass:
Mm-hmm.
Thunder Cat:
Were taking her into the bedroom. Now lets start talking about
some of the more specific techniques. In particular lets start with
the thing every guy starts with, the clit.
Masterclass:
The clit.
Thunder Cat:
Why dont you talk about some of your clitoral stratergery on
Masterclass:
The clitoral strategies.
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Thunder Cat:
Yeah, exactly.
Masterclass:
When it comes to the clit, less is more. And what I mean by that
is-first of all (clears throat) the clit is the bulls eye. We all know
that. Okay? Its the panic button, but remember theres other
places in the vagina that are just as sensitive. And can give her
actually a stronger and different type of orgasm. David Shade
talks a lot about that when he talks about the Deep Spot and when
he talks about squirting but he-there were some points that-in his
seminar that he didnt quite get to because of time I think. But
when we talk about the clit, the first thing is dont go for the clit
directly. Never go for the clit directly. With women, its all about
build up. Its all about anticipation. Its all about teasing. You
know, theres a certain guy who teaches this thing called rapid
romance
Thunder Cat:
(Laughter)
Masterclass:
And he talks about a certain pattern called the Blow Job Pattern.
Thunder Cat:
He who shall not be named.
Masterclass:
Yes. And he talks about-in that pattern how you take that first
morsel and you tease your tongue with it
Thunder Cat:
Lets not do the whole pattern.
Masterclass:
Im not gonna do it, but-Im real good at deconstructing things so

you can understand the driving force underneath it. What it is
women are all about the build up. Theyre all about us turning it
up by degree, by degree by degree. And when it comes to-it comes
to the clit, you can amp up a woman before you ever get to the clit
by working around the areas that are very sensitive but arent right
on the clit. Because theyre anticipating, Is he gonna touch it? Is
he gonna lick it? Whats he gonna do next? So the insides of the
thighs, the labia, the lips the areas around the clitoris, work those.
Kiss them. Nibble them. Suck them. Stroke them. Work those
and what youll-as you get closer and closer, if youre paying
attention to her responses, every time you get a little bit closer to
the clit, youll feel her body tenser or stiffen because shes
expecting that rush, that little, you know, that little sudden
stimulation. And you back off and shes like Oh my God. And
every time you get a little closer-its kind of like sexual
fractionation. In hypnosis we talk about if you put someone in
trans, bring em out and put em back in again, the next time they go
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into trans they go deeper. Same thing here. When you bring a
woman and you start amping up her state and you back off and you
bring her up again and get a little bit closer this time, she gets more
and more aroused. Thats how it works. So when you go-by the
time you actually get to the clit, shes primed. Now that doesnt
mean shes gonna come right away but youre chances of getting
her off faster and harder go up substantially. Now when you
actually get to the clit-this is where a technique I like to call the
secret twitch comes in. Okay. Now depending on how youre
gonna stimulate the clit will determine when to use this technique.
You can do it orally. You can do it with your fingers, okay. The
last thing I ever do is stick my dick in a woman. Shes usually
come three or four times, usually three.
Thunder Cat:
Now I wanna take this opportunity to point that out as golden rule.
One of Masterclasss big rules is always make a girl come two or
three times before she even sees your dick and he swears by this
rule.
Masterclass:
I absolutely live by this rule.
Thunder Cat:
And I tell you guys, this is a golden rule if you wanna become the
kind of sexual master where you have women breaking down your
door to have sex with you on this one. This one is really
important. So listen to this again. Rewind it if you have to. In
fact, Ill say it again so you dont have to rewind it. Make her
come two to three times before she even sees your dick, not even
stick your dick in her, before she even sees it. Okay. So if you
gotta put a sock on that thing and keep it hidden until shes-until
the pump has been primed.
Masterclass:
And the psychology behind this is, okay. If youve paid any
attention to what David Shade talks about-by the way, my names
David, too. Im not gonna give my last name cause Im just
modest that way, but David talks-he gives some interesting
statistics in his seminar. I think he does it in his book. He says
that 30%-30% of all women have never had an orgasm, ever.
None. Okay? 30%, three out of ten-three out of every ten. The
other 70% have never had an orgasm during sex-during
intercourse. Okay? Now think about this for a minute. If you give
a woman three orgasms before she even gets your penis inside of
her, what does that make you like-whats that like in her eyes?
Thunder Cat:
Youve basically blown out every other man shes ever been with.
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Masterclass:
Yeah. Yeah. Unless shes lucky to get with someone like me or

Shade or, you know-theres guys like us out there. Theyre just
really really rare. So when the average girl or hell, even the super
hot babe-you get a woman that lit up that quickly, that completely,
she cant wait to come back.
Thunder Cat:
There are guys out there like boyfriends and husbands who have
been with women for God know how many years, 10, 15 years and
theyve never made them experience something like what Davids
gonna be teaching you guys because you know, their model of how
to stimulate her is-has no frame of reference. They may explore.
They may experiment and stuff like that but that doesnt
necessarily mean that theyve ever blown her mind.
Masterclass:
Thats true.
Thunder Cat:
And what Davids gonna be talking about here is gonna be how to

blow a womans mind.
Masterclass:
I cant tell you the looks I get-by the way, Im also-in the book,
when it comes out, Im also gonna teach you the one orgasm
women cant fake.
Thunder Cat:
And thats a pretty messy orgasm.
Masterclass:
Thats a pretty messy one.
Thunder Cat:
Thats how you know they cant fake it.
Masterclass:
As Thunder Cat as seen the remnants of
Thunder Cat:
Now now, I gotta be modest. (Laughter) Okay. Well were

getting off that. Lets go back
Masterclass:
Okay.
Thunder Cat:
Your fingering technique with the clitoris
Masterclass:
Okay.
Thunder Cat:
Or you can also use it with your mouth.
Masterclass:
Yeah. Basically, its not really a fingering technique per se. What
it is and again a lot of what I do is about paying attention to how
shes responding. If you can learn to pay attention to how she
responds, you can write your own ticket because shes gonna tell
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you. Shes gonna tell you in her responses, in her expressions,

exactly what you need to be doing to get her off in the way thats
the most powerful for her.
Thunder Cat:
So, in other words, pay attention.
Masterclass:
Pay fucking attention. But basically the way this technique works
is when youre getting ready to go down on her-what I do is Ill
take either one, depending on how small she is, or two fingers and
Ill insert them in the vagina and Ill let my fingers contour the
roof of her vagina so that I can feel where her G-spot is. I feel
where her Deep Spot is.
Thunder Cat:
Whats the G-Spot feel like?
Masterclass:
The G-Spot is a rough patch of skin thats just on the inside of the
vagina. If you actually slide your fingers up and in, youll feel a
little rough patch of skin in there. Im sure youve felt that.
Thunder Cat:
Mm-hmm.
Masterclass:
Okay. Whatll happen is its very sensitive to pressures. Whatll

happen is as she gets more and more aroused, as she has more and
more orgasms, that area will start to swell, okay? That comes to
the squirting orgasm, which well talk to maybe later-but at this
point in time, were not going for the squirt and in my opinion you
never go for the squirting orgasm first. Youre gonna be there a
long fucking time and youre arms gonna get really fucking tired.
So one of the things that you wanna focus on is getting her off the
direcquestie to two to three times. All-with women, its all about
the O.
Thunder Cat:
Plus a lot of guys, they tend to climax really quickly
Masterclass:
Yes.
Thunder Cat:
And so if that should happen, if there are guys who just the sight of
a naked girl makes them kind of mess their pants
Masterclass:
Mm-hmm.
Thunder Cat:
These are tactics that they can use to get-take time to recover so
you know youre not in an American Pie type situation.
Masterclass:
Yeah, exactly.
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Thunder Cat:
And get the girl going. So, you got your fingers in her and youre
contouring the upper roof of her vagina
Masterclass:
Right.
Thunder Cat:
Trying-feeling out her G-Spot.
Masterclass:
Right. Now the next thing you wanna do is if youre going-say

youre going for oral for example, is you wanna start to gently lick
the clit. Now, whats gonna be interesting here-and Im gonna
give you some things that seem counter intuitive but if you do
them, you gotta a greater chance of getting her off the first time
out. Okay? So the first thing you wanna do is you wanna find the
clit. Now, depending on where youre at in her state of arousal, the
clit may be very easy to find or it may be small. Okay? What
youre gonna do is youre gonna start to use your tongue, use your
lips to excite the clitoris. Now you can do this any number of
ways. You can use the patented Karate Kid paint the fence mode
where you go up and down up and down. Okay. You can do the
circle-you know, the circular method. You can, if youre really
talented, you can lick the Hebrew Alphabet. Okay or the Chinese
Alphabet. Regardless of what approach youre gonna use, what
youre gonna pay attention to-every so often theres gonna be a
stroke that really gets to her. Theres gonna be a direction or angle
or a pressure or a combination thats really gonna stimulate her
when it does, what youre gonna feel if youre paying attention the
vaginal muscles will involuntarily contract. This is like sexual
Lojack, okay, because all you have to do is pay attention to when
her vaginal muscles tense. Thats when shes getting the most
stimulation and its right for her. Once you find the stroke, you
keep going at the same pressure, the same tempo and whatll
happen is sequentially, as she gets closer and closer and closer,
those muscles will get tighter and tighter and tighter. And when
shes getting really close, the hips will start to shake, the back will
start to arch but that grip on your two fingers is gonna get-its like
shes holding on for dear life in there but shes not even
consciously aware of it. But shes basically telling you through
that grip exactly what you need to do, how you need to do it.
Heres where things get a little hairy. As she gets more excited, a
lot of women start to get more and more vocal. They start to move
around a lot. Okay? They also start to do really stupid things like
harder, faster, harder faster
Thunder Cat:
Like screaming that?
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Masterclass:
Yeah. Dont do it. The minute you change the pressure, the
minute you change the angle you change the stimulation. Which
means if youre lucky and she-and you get it you can get her off
but youre chances drop dram-I cant tell you how many women
have come right to the brink of orgasm and Ive done what they
said, harder, faster-and (snaps fingers) they loose it.
Thunder Cat:
So, as always, never listen to what the girl says.
Masterclass:
Indeed.
Thunder Cat:
You always wanna do what works, not what they tell you to do.
Masterclass:
Yes. So what you do is you just keep the same pressure. You
keep the same rate. You keep the same tempo and she will-she
will come buckets. She will explode.
Thunder Cat:
And you keep doing that until she orgasms
Masterclass:
Oh yeah.
Thunder Cat:
Two or three times.
Masterclass:
Yup. Well actually, what you do is after she comes the first time,
its usually real sensitive. So, you can do one of two things. You
can either change the stimulation, you know, change the spot that
youre going for-like a lot of people focus on the clit because its
there and its easy to find. Not that they can do much with it but
that get really really sensitive. So what I like to do is Ill give her a
break and Ill go-Ill just cup my hand on her vagina and Ill just
put a very gentle pressure on the labia and the area around there
Thunder Cat:
Kind of massage it.
Masterclass:
Yeah. Because I want the stimulation to die down but I want it-I
want the heat there. I want her to feel my hand. I want her to
know theres gonna be more. And then what Ill do is-while Im
kissing her because Ill have my hand up around her neck and Ill
be kissing her, maybe sucking on her breasts or whatever, and Ill
slip my hand down between her legs and what Ill do now is Ill
just start to slip my finger up in and on that G-Spot as Im doing
the little pressure with my palm and again, its its-its keeping the
fires warm while Im letting her recover and then I can also tell by
the size of her clit-by the size of her clit and how hard it is when
shes ready to go again. And every now and then Ill take my
middle finger or my pointer finger and Ill slide it between her lips
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and Ill touch the vagina and Ill gauge her clit and Ill gauge the
response. And if she jumps, Ill know shes not quite ready. If she
starts to, you know-if she tenses just a little bit, Ill massage it so
light-I mean if-I cant really describe it on the tape, but if you were
to just rub, almost not even touching it, just barely touch it. That
stimulation is usually light enough that it feels good without over
stimulating her to the point where she says, Get your hands off.
You know. And thats what happens a lot when youre doing oral
sex with women is that, you know, she gets off and then just like
its-youre going the same pressure-its so hard if she just pushes
your head away because its too much. So you gotta really play
with pressures here. The more sensitive, the lighter you have to
go. Now David talks about going really really hard, you know on
their 1:00 position. Okay.
Thunder Cat:
The welcome method.
Masterclass:
Yeah. I dont gen-I do find that the 1:00 position is sensitive but I
dont have to go real hard to get em off. I can do it really really
light and theyll just come harder and harder and what happens is
for some reason this is the one-the fastest ways that Ive found to
get women whove never had multiple orgasms to give them
multiple orgasms because you just vary the pressure. Once that
ball is rolling you get kind of sexual inertia going and they just
start coming fast and faster with it. But you gotta learn how to
gauge where the womans at. Thats the key, is paying attention to
her responses. Most guys-I was, you know, I was there too the
minute they get a hard-on all the blood rushes to that member and
they stop paying attention to anything but that hard-on. Learn to
put your hard on aside long enough to get this done and Im telling
you, you will never have a problem with day two.
Thunder Cat:
Plus the hard-on will thank you because what you can pull off after
shes orgasm a couple times is-its pretty satisfying.
Masterclass:
Oh, my God.
Thunder Cat:
(Laughter)
Masterclass:
I mean-you know when Major Mark says a satisfied woman will

walk through fire, its true.
Thunder Cat:
And pretty much anything you wanna do with her at a certain point
is fair game.
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Masterclass:
Yeah because, you know, all you have to do-you know-just know
youve given her experience very few women have ever had.
Okay? You become the ultimate pleasure object in her eyes.
Thunder Cat:
I know this stuff is great too because when you go out to pick up
women-when you go out to meet women and pick them up, you
know going into the situation that you have something up on other
guys that you know youre not frightened about like where its
happening
Masterclass:
Mm-hmm.
Thunder Cat:
Or like where its going or what the outcomes gonna be because

you know that once you get her alone in that bedroom youre
gonna be banging the
Masterclass:
You have her in a bedroom? No shit.
Thunder Cat:
Well, once you get alone or not even alone in some cases.
Masterclass:
(Laughter) true.
Thunder Cat:
Once you get her all to yourself
Masterclass:
Once you get her attention focused on you in all the right ways.
Thunder Cat:
Exactly. Once that happens then-you know-you know where to

go
Masterclass:
Mm-hmm.
Thunder Cat:
So in a way it helps your confidence.
Masterclass:
Mm-hmm.
Thunder Cat:
Cause a lot of guys-some of them are concerned about like oh,

maybe their dick is too small or maybe they think theres
something wrong with their dick or maybe theyre not experienced
or maybe, you know, theyre you know, kind of self-conscience
about like how their body looks or how the girls gonna respond to
them once their naked together or whatever. You know, all those
fears kind of go away once you know beyond a shadow of a doubt
that you have the knowledge to make this girl orgasm multiple
times. Stuff that almost no one else in her life has ever been able
to make possible.
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Masterclass:
The odds are that no one ever has. And if she has and shes not
with him, well, shes either lying or you know, he found-he traded
up for something.
Thunder Cat:
And thats why this stuff is so important because, you know,

having that kind of confidence in your in-game really super
charges, your you know, your front game
Masterclass:
It does.
Thunder Cat:
The pick ups, the approaches, the attraction phase stuff like that.
Thats why a lot of really experienced lovers are guys really good
at picking up women, stuff like that. Theyve had a lot of practice
with women. Theyve had a lot of practice in the bedroom and
thats why they can pick up women so well is because they have
that confidence. They know once they see a girl that they want
that they can pleasure her in ways no other guy can.
Masterclass:
It comes out. It comes out in the way you walk, in the way you
talk to women. Some women will tell you they can tell a good
lover by the way he stands and by the way he walks.
Thunder Cat:
Or the way he dances or
Masterclass:
Yup.
Thunder Cat:
Or the way he kisses, whatever
Masterclass:
Mm-hmm.
Thunder Cat:
Women have a lot of different ways of judging a guy.
Masterclass:
The really cool thing is-one of the things that they talk in some
book itnery is the more sex you have, the more you get offered
because the body builds up these pheromones because of all the
sexual responses that youre having. I remember I walked onto
campus one day and I had just had sex with three different women
over the course of like-I dont wanna say it was 24-hours, but it
was pretty close. And I was kind of tired
Thunder Cat:
Obviously.
Masterclass:
But the nonverbals and the responses I was getting from just the
women who knew me on a regular basis was just huge. I mean, I
was like
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Thunder Cat:
They could smell the sex on you, Im sure. (Laughter)
Masterclass:
Well, I did wash. But literally they can in some respects because
the body produces a tremendous amount of
Thunder Cat:
And not only that but women talk, too. They like to share about
this guy who blew their mind to all their girlfriends.
Masterclass:
Yeah. As a matter of fact, thats happening to me right now in one

of the circles that I move in. Cause women do talk and you know
everybody wants a bit of the other persons getting you know,
women are very competitive that way. So, Im getting-am I
digressing? (Laughter) Im starting to reminisce here and its ____
Thunder Cat:
Yeah, youre actually going there in your mind right now. Okay,
now, you shared about kissing, fingering, your oral technique
Masterclass:
Mm-hmm.
Thunder Cat:
And multiple-how to get a girl to orgasm a couple times before you

even stick your dick in her. But right now lets talk about the coo
de gra so to speak, the really messy, wet, sumptuous orgasm that
women cannot possible ever fake in their lives. And guys, this is
great because when this happens, you know for a fact that youve
turned this woman into a smoldering pile of love goop in your
hands. So, but Ive actually-
Masterclass:
Quivering, heaving and fetal comes to mind (Laughter)
Thunder Cat:
Actually, I didnt know about this technique even though I had

read David Shades Journal, I guess I didnt read it too closely.
But I didnt know about this technique till you brought it to my
attention and we both pretty much got our first glimpse of this
thing through what exactly?
Masterclass:
It was a video put out by a guy named Seymour Butts. Those of

you who are porn aficionados may have heard of him
Thunder Cat:
Its more of an instructional(Laughter)
Masterclass:
Its more of an instructional video actually, and I highly

recommend it. Its called Squirters 2 and in it Seymour actually
walks you through the steps of giving a woman the-what I consider
the coo de gra orgasm, its called the ejaculatory orgasm.
Thunder Cat:
The female ejaculatory orgasm.
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Masterclass:
The female ejaculatory orgasm and in that video it gets really

messy, as a matter of fact, Ive never seen anybody get a shower
quite that way.
Thunder Cat:
Well you know those porn girls they got their kegal muscles all
built up.
Masterclass:
Their kegal muscles are just outrageous. But, yeah, the first time I
played with this I gave a-it was actually the first time the woman I
was with had ever had an orgasm in her life and literally she curled
up in a fetal position with this puddle the size of a small man-hole
cover on the mattress and she-the look on her face, youve heard of
doggie dinner bowl. This was beyond doggie dinner bowl. This
was like, Youre a god, you know, type of a look.
Thunder Cat:
And guys, before you try this thing, invest in sheets.
Masterclass:
Yeah. (Laughter)
Thunder Cat:
(Laughter) Preferably the kind where water just rolls off of it.
(Laughter)
Masterclass:
Oh, my God. I
Thunder Cat:
Trust me, youll thank me for that piece of advice. (Laughter)
Masterclass:
(Laughter) Its true. Roll up the Egyptian Cotton and put them
somewhere else for afterwards because its a messy one and this
actually is kind of-when I do the sexual conditioning stuff that I do
where women actually start buying me things and paying for my
food
Thunder Cat:
Which well get into in a little bit.
Masterclass:
This is kind of the technique that puts them over the top. Theyre
pretty much primed with the two or three orgasm rule prior to that.
But when you do this, I guarantee you-I would say, probably 8 out
of 10 women, anywhere, have never had this kind of an orgasm.
Thunder Cat:
So, you do the two to three orgasms and then you finish her off
with this one?
Masterclass:
Yeah, exactly.
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Thunder Cat:
Thats important because once this one happens, this girl is putty in
your hand. She will- you know, if you have a girl who didnt
wanna do anal sex or whatever like that, after this shell let you
stick it anywhere.
Masterclass:
I cant tell you how many women whove just rolled over and said,
Do whatever you want to me. I mean, it-they just get to that
point where its like, I hope whatever he does feels good. And I
just go with it, you know.
Thunder Cat:
Right. Lets get into the nitty-gritty technique of this stuff.
Masterclass:
Okay. The nitty-gritty-for the ejaculatory orgasm?
Thunder Cat:
Yes, for the squirting orgasm.
Masterclass:
Okay, first of all-remember I mentioned earlier that when youwhen youre doing the secret twitch, which is where youre licking
her and youre feeling for the clenching of the muscles, that rough
spot in there is a G-Spot. Now, as she comes more and more
times, youre gonna notice that that particular area
Thunder Cat:
The G-Spot?
Masterclass:
Yeah, it starts to swell. It starts to get more and more full.
Thunder Cat:
And thats because the G-Spots actually a gland, right?
Masterclass:
Indeed, its called a skein gland, which actually have the openings
on the outside of the vagina.
Thunder Cat:
And the skein gland is responsible for creating the fluid that
lubricates the vagina.
Masterclass:
Mm-hmm. Its very similar to the lubricant found in semen. I

believe, if my medical history serves me correctly. Its a lubricant
and what happens is that area gets more and more engorged, the
more times she comes. Now many of you guys have had this
experience where a woman-you just have finished a rigorous round
of intercourse-
Thunder Cat:
Shes gotta pee.
Masterclass:
And shes gotta pee. Okay. Well its not that she has to pee per
se, its that gland gets so full and it puts pressure on the bladder.
Well, one of the things that you wanna do is as you-as youre
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working her up to this fever pitch is youre gonna start putting

pressure on it and its like a back to front motion. Its almost like a
come hither move. What I do is I actually go down towards the
roof or the floor of the vagina then I come up and I scoop back
towards that spot and what Ill do is Ill put a pressure on it. And
its gonna take a little bit of arm strength and endurance to get
this
Thunder Cat:
Your forearms gonna look like Popeye.
Masterclass:
Yeah. And what I tell her-because most women have never had
this kind of orgasm and youre putting more and more pressure
down on that spot. What you have to tell her is, What youre
gonna feel is kinda weird. Its gonna be really good but you gotta
follow my instructions.
Thunder Cat:
Yeah and what youre doing here is youre actually pacing whats
going on, whats going to happen
Masterclass:
Mm-hmm.
Thunder Cat:
So she doesnt start freaking out when
Masterclass:
Right.
Thunder Cat:
It starts happening.
Masterclass:
Cause shes-when women are in sexual mode, theyre highly

suggestible and they will follow a strong confident lead. So what
you wanna do is youre gonna pace what youre about to do and
what shes gonna feel. And what you tell her is, Once you feel it
building-when you cant hold it anymore-when you feel like you
absolutely have to go, I want you to push is out as hard as you
can.
Thunder Cat:
So what you saying is once you start doing the back and forth
motion, the come hither, you tell her exactly what youre doing.
Youre saying, Im gonna be stimulating your G-Spot
Masterclass:
And what youre gonna feel is youre gonna feel that pressure
building. Its gonna feel really good and-but youre gonna feel
more like you have to pee. I want you to understand that you dont
have to pee. Its something else. Youre gonna ejaculate and
when you feel that you cant hold it anymore-when you cant stand
it anymore, I want you to push it out as hard as you can. And
from that point on you just keep-you know, going
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Thunder Cat:
At the steady pace.
Masterclass:
Steady pressure. And whatll happen is as she gets closer and

closer-you can actually go harder here-what Ill do is Ill keep thatIll still get my fingers towards the floor of the vagina then come
up and scoop back because when you actually go towards the floor
of the vagina, it actually stimulates more fluid production. When
you come back-and eventually whatll happed is when she starts to
push it out therell be this explosion. Now some women will only
give you a little handful, some will just wet the entire bed. I meanI had one woman that ejaculated so hard one time-I was actually
kissing her and manipulating her with my hand-my face got wet.
Thats how fast and how strong this stuff came out. But its not
urine, okay. Its just female lubricant. And once she gets passed
that initial self-consciousness-and its an orgasm that just rocks
their world. They-every single female Ive ever done this to has
wound up in a fetal position on the bed just quivering. I mean,
they just cant-theyve never had that experience. And they want it
again.
Thunder Cat:
It totally just destroys the-theyre pretty much shutdown for a few

minutes.
Masterclass:
Yeah, theyre-thats when you start doing more foreplay stuff

because it gives them a few minutes to recover while building the
fires again and then you can go back to clitoral stimulation with
your finger. You can do oral. Theres other ways to do the
ejaculatory orgasm. The one that I recommend is having her on
her back first because you have more-you can see whats going on.
Thunder Cat:
And the arm motion for going in and stimulating this thing, it kind
of reminds me of a train, you know where they have that bar on the
wheels
Masterclass:
Yeah.
Thunder Cat:
And its like chug a chug a chug a chug a-I mean its kind of like
that circular motion only like reverse where youre kind of like
going down and scooping up and pulling back.
Masterclass:
Its definitely a scooping motion. Its almost like-you know, if you

were gonna make a snowball-you know how you dip your hand
into the snow and you pull the snowball out and then you pat it
down? Well the first part of that where you dip your hand in and
you come up and out-you scoop it-but youre only using two
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fingers. That would be the motion I would describe it as best to

get it.
Thunder Cat:
And it gets tiring.
Masterclass:
Yes.
Thunder Cat:
It just-like this doesnt happen in a few minutes.
Masterclass:
This is why you dont go for it first.
Thunder Cat:
Yeah because you gotta prime the pump per se. Those two or three
orgasms-its not just to blow the womans mind before you even
start having your fun with her. Its to prime her for this moment
where, you know, after she has this orgasm, you pretty much have
free reign to do anything you want and for as long as you want or
whatever. So-but it get tiring because this is not something that
happens fast because you gotta get in there and you gotta start
milking this thing.
Masterclass:
Guys who go for this right off the bat are pretty much setting
themselves up for disaster because usually-first of all, the thing
you gotta understand about sex-generally the first time with any
woman is the worst time that youre-if youre gonna be getting
together. Its because you dont know each other. Okay? Theres
a lot of insecurities, you know, Will he like me naked? Or Will
she like me naked? You dont-you know, youve got this raging
hard on so your brain cells are suffering from lack of oxygen.
Youve got all these things going on. So generally speaking, the
first time you have sex-it may still be good but compared to what
could happen subsequently, its the worst because you dont know
each other. Use these techniques it wont matter. But if you go for
the ejaculatory orgasm first, you havent given her enough time to
build up the fluid to get the real strong powerful response that you
could be getting. You may get it, depending, you know, how
responsive she is to you, but I like to stack the deck. I mean, I
want a guarantee-I dont like-Im not much of a gambler. I like
stuff that I can count on every single time. And this is exactly how
it works and it works like that every time.
Thunder Cat:
Alright. Now, you have a lot of other techniques that you do and
were gonna save that for your book
Masterclass:
Okay.
Thunder Cat:
Even though Id like you to give away
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Masterclass:
(Laughter)
Thunder Cat:
Youre a little too smart for me on that one. But one thing I do
wanna touch on is of course the back door, otherwise known as the
caca method.
Masterclass:
(Laughter)
Thunder Cat:
Now, you know-I dont know about you, but theres something a
little bit taboo about anal which is attractive to me but-with a
woman anyway. And a lot of guys, you know, feel the same way.
And I know that you have your own kind of style of doing it. In
fact, you have a funny story that you once told me about how when
you first tried it, the girl shot half way across the room
Masterclass:
That was my ex-wife actually.
Thunder Cat:
Cause you didnt know what you were doing.
Masterclass:
I didnt know. I had no fucking clue. To this day I still have

flashbacks of legs disappearing over the edge of the bed and onto
the floor. One of those things. But yeah, the simple truth is tha
Thunder Cat:
Cause you know, like a lot of guys who dont know about this
stuff, they can, you know, hurt a girl. I was talking to a friend of
mine the other day who had the situation where he tried it for the
first time with this girl he was seeing and he kind of messed it up
and the girl didnt have a very good experience with it. So I think
its important for guys to talk about this type of thing.
Masterclass:
Yeah.
Thunder Cat:
Course were two heterosexual men, so
Masterclass:
In that non gay way.
Thunder Cat:
In that non gay way. So, you know, who better to talk about this.
Masterclass:
Mm-hmm. Absolutely. Anal sex is as Sam Kennison puts it,

Most guys dont even wanna do till you tell em they cant.
(Laughter) But
Thunder Cat:
But surprisingly a lot of women really like it.
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Masterclass:
Mm-hmm. And the reason is because you actually hit the Deep
Spot and the G-Spot from a different angle.
Thunder Cat:
Now we talked about the G-Spot with David Shade.
Masterclass:
Mm-hmm.
Thunder Cat:
Thats the spot on the floor or the roof depending on which way
she is-its on the-if shes facing towards you
Masterclass:
Yeah.
Thunder Cat:
Its on the bottom of the
Masterclass:
Shes tits up.
Thunder Cat:
Yeah, shes tits up. Its on the bottom of the vagina and its all the
way back on the roof of-what do you call it?
Masterclass:
The Uterus.
Thunder Cat:
Uterus, thats good. Thank you and its called the anterior fornix,
right?
Masterclass:
Mm-hmm.
Thunder Cat:
Medically.
Masterclass:
Yup.
Thunder Cat:
But the Deep Spot to us laymen. And what happens is-like you
stick your finger in there and you kind of pull down on it, if you
can reach it-cause some girls-every girls built differently, but you
can kind of pull down on that sucker its very simulative. David
Shade talks about it. In fact, I think we mentioned it during the
other interview. So, when youre-girls who particularly like anal
sex-theyre built in such a way where the penis and the anal area
can actually stimulate both that and the G-Spot.
Masterclass:
Its kind of like, you know how some women, David talk about
how some women like to have their clitoris stimulated underneath
the hood of the vagina, where you take the upper lip and you pull it
over the clitoris and massage that way-well, when youre coming
in from the anus, you have a layer of skin between the actual-you
know anus, you know region and the vagina. And theres actually
that skin when your penis gets inserted in the anus that actually
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presses on that Deep Spot but you got that little piece of flesh-its
actually more than a little piece of flesh. Im simplifying. But-so
you get that little bit of coverage so its a similar stimulation but
that pressure-that constant pressure is what gets em. Its not-its a
vaginal orgasm rather than a clitoral one.
Thunder Cat:
Or an anal one.
Masterclass:
Well.
Thunder Cat:
I mean, there is no way to orgasm through like the anus but its
through that stimulation the vagina through there.
Masterclass:
Ive discovered that there are so many ways that a woman can have
an orgasm. To say that its not an anal orgasm, I dont know that
Im-it may be true, it may be not. The simple truth is, you know,
once youve got a womans mind actively stimulated you can make
any part of her come. (Laughter) Its kind of fun.
Thunder Cat:
But-okay, so you dont just jam it in there and
Masterclass:
No, no, no. I actually do what I call the illusion of control. And
what that means is shes doing exactly what I want her to do but
she thinks shes the one in charge. So what I do is, first of all, Ill
warm her up by maybe interesting my little finger in there while
Im actually stimulating her clit or vagina so that as shes comingevery time she ungulates, I inch it in a little deeper cause the anus
tends to-or the sphincter tends to flex a little bit.
Thunder Cat:
And do you use any lubrication for that?
Masterclass:
Sometimes. Generally-sometimes I use her lubrication cause

depending on how much shes really excited, theres a lot extra to
play with.
Thunder Cat:
And if its after the squirting orga-you can just scoop it up
Masterclass:
Yeah, jus scoop it up, pop it in there. Usually Ill keep a lubricant
handy just for that but if Im going for like-a lot of times what Ill
do is to get her used to having something in there, Ill stick my
thumb in the vagina as I lick the clit and Ill use my middle finger
and Ill just slowly every time, you know, she starts to twitch or
whatever, that sphincter muscles gonna release and every time it
releases, Ill just inch my finger in there until its up to like the you
know the second or all the way I and I will just let it in there so she
gets used to having it in there and as she gets closer and closer to
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coming, Ill start to move up and down and you can feel through
the skin where in the vagina you are and Ill start to massage that
way. So that gets her used to having something in there to begin
with. The other thing Ill do-and then Ill go to something slightly
wider, like maybe Ill use my thumb. And again, Im still
manipulating as massaging everything else. And then finally when
Im sure shes, you know, really excited and shes ready and
willing, Ill say, This is how youre gonna do it. Youre gonna
put it in. In other words, best way I found to do this is Doggie
Style and what Ill do is Ill have her get on top and Ill have insert
or actually Ill have her do Doggie Style or Ill have her mount me
and Ill have her manually insert my penis into her anus.
Thunder Cat:
Now she guides it in.
Masterclass:
She guides it in. She controls the pressure. She controls the
stimulation
Thunder Cat:
And the pace.
Masterclass:
And the pace.
Thunder Cat:
Thats pretty important.
Masterclass:
Yeah. Because what I tell her, I say, You find the way it feels
best. Okay. Well, that presupposed shes-its gonna feel good
and shes just gotta figure out how it feels best. Totally takes your
mind off any kind of pain. Now its gonna be some stretching
involved but because shes in control because shes moving at the
rate and speed thats comfortable for her, shes still doing what you
want to do. The challenge is guys get so excited they wanna just
start pounding away. No, the first couple of times you need to let
her do it all and once you do, she becomes your regular three hole
girl.
Thunder Cat:
Yeah. And this is not only a way to have anal sex to start off with.
This is also a way to condition a girl to give you anal sex whenever
you want it.
Masterclass:
Yeah. I had-you actually met a couple of girls that I was there first
anal experience. I got the anal cherry. So
Thunder Cat:
Which can be quite satisfying.
Masterclass:
And thats actually how I term it a lot of times, is I want the one
you kept. You know, thats the one I want.
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Thunder Cat:
In fact, some girls you know, youve claimed that thats your hole
and no other man shall ever you know go there. And even though
they go out and fuck other guys, theyll never let another guy
Masterclass:
Nope.
Thunder Cat:
Go for that hole cause you own it.
Masterclass:
I own it. I have one girl that-oh my God. You know, even ones
they swear-I have one woman Ive been seeing now probably for
over almost a year and a half and she never swallowed. She never
did anal. She never did in the backseat of a car. I closed her in the
backseat of my Jeep the first night. I just look at her and say, I
want the hole. Give me the hole. And shell just mount up and
Thunder Cat:
Youre like, Give me my hole.
Masterclass:
Yeah. You say, Baby, you want me to come? You know what I
mean. You know what I want. You know what to do. She
mounts right up, you know. And its
Thunder Cat:
And its a great way cause that sense of ownership-its like the girl
feels really safe and
Masterclass:
Mm-hmm.
Thunder Cat:
Its pretty exciting.
Masterclass:
You gotta maker her feel safe and excited at the same time and
naughty because those are the three things that I think are the
biggest turn ones for a woman in the bedroom. They like the idea
of being naughty. They like the idea of being safe, but they also
like that being on the edge feeling. You know?
Thunder Cat:
Now this leads in perfectly to what I think is probably the most

interesting thing you have to teach, which is your sexual
conditioning. Now for guys who are kind of new at this or dont
have the opportunity to meet the type of guys I do, this is
incredible important because when you condition a woman, youre
basically-you know, it sounds bad but youre training her to do
stuff. Girls train guys to do things too
Masterclass:
Oh yeah.
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Thunder Cat:
But in this way its kind of stealing the power away from them
because youre training them to do what you want and its great
because you dont have to do as much work. You know out-after
its done its easier to pick up women. Its easier to have women
do stuff for you like you know the only thing theyll bitch about is
when theyre getting married. (Laughter) I mean thats pretty
Masterclass:
Women will want to marry you. You do this, that will become
their long-term objective. So be warned. Okay?
Thunder Cat:
Yeah, once they find the guy who can make them feel as
wonderful as you can feel using these tactics, theyre gonna wanna
keep you. Now lets get into the sexual conditioning a little bit.
One thing you tell me, which I thought was really interesting was
that after you have sex with a girl for the first time, you dont call
her.
Masterclass:
No. No. And the reason I dont call her is because its that scarcity
frame youre setting up. Okay? Youve just given her the
experience of her life in most cases. Youve taken her to a sexual
level that no man has ever done. Okay? Then if you felt like it,
you let her try and get you off. Okay? So now she wants to please
you. I mean, youve just given her-all those feelings get linked to
you cause shes in a hypnosis state. Pleasures an incredibly
hypnotic state and because youre the one that was present when
all those feelings were being issued-they get linked to you. You
must be the cause.
Thunder Cat:
So if a woman hasnt had these mind blowing multiple orgasms

before, when you trigger them all the feelings that she has when
she experiences those for the first time get linked to you because
she has no other frame of reference.
Masterclass:
Right. And you start talking about the average guy does this. But
you know how it is with me. You know?
Thunder Cat:
Thats why you said at the beginning, you can go out and fuck
however many guys you want
Masterclass:
Yeah.
Thunder Cat:
Cause I know youll be coming back.
Masterclass:
And its from actual real world-Ive seen it. Ive experienced it.
More often than I care to count. Ive had-I do a lot of fuck buddy.
I have a lot of fuck buddy. And they just keep coming back. But
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every time they do, they get this more and more doggie dinner
bowl look in their eye.
Thunder Cat:
In fact, youre one of the only guys I know whos had so much sex,
hes actually hurt himself.
Masterclass:
(Laughter)
Thunder Cat:
You actually threw out your back because you were banging about
three girls a day, every single day for like a week. And you were
put in traction for what, two weeks, three weeks?
Masterclass:
A week. (Laughter) I dont wanna talk about that.
Thunder Cat:
The thing is you couldnt move. Youre helpless-you looked like

the life was being sucked out of you little by little at that time in
your life. So you definitely know a thing or two about managing
women. And part of the management is the sexual conditioning.
Masterclass:
Yeah.
Thunder Cat:
So after you have sex with a woman for the first time, how long do
you wait to get back in touch with her?
Masterclass:
Generally, two or three days seems to be the magical time frame.
Thunder Cat:
And during that time, theyll be thinking, Why hasnt he called?

You know. Whats going on?
Masterclass:
Not only that, theyre getting fucking horny.
Thunder Cat:
Theyre wanting to have a repeat.
Masterclass:
Cause think about it. Whats a woman do? She goes home and
reviews the date. Right.
Thunder Cat:
She talks about it to all her friends. She calls up her mom or
whatever.
Yeah. Alright. So all of a sudden shes reviewing all this hot,
heavy highly orgasmic you know experiences that shes had.
Shes thinking about you and youre not calling. You know? Well
once-theres a study-I think Ive talked to you about this about how
they took these wires and they wired up these rats to the pleasure
centers in their brains and the rats actually died of starvation
because theyd rather actually stimulate that little lever that sent
the electrical jolt to their pleasure center than actually eat food.
Masterclass:
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Same process is happening here. Only youre doing it to a

womans pleasure centers. Okay? You give a woman this little
pleasure-that many orgasms in that short a frame of time combined
with the other things that set off her attraction mechanisms.
When you do this process to a woman, you become the prize. And
women will work themselves into a frenzy to get the prize and
thats-and you use that. Now giver her two or three days and give
her the opportunity to come out with you again and you give her
the same process. But what I do-theres a few other things that I
actually do when Im conditioning woman. I do a lot of-I dont do
any hypnotic commands in a sense that I, you know, I try to bind
them to me but everything that I do is hypnotic in the fact that Im
always pacing their ongoing experience, which-like if Im gonna
talk dirty-my whole way of talking dirty to a woman is to tell her
exactly-describe with a woman exactly what Im doing as Im
doing it. It creates a tremendous, tremendous report and incredible
suggestibility and it amplifies their sexual feelings.
Thunder Cat:
Plus its linking those feelings to your voice.
Masterclass:
All linked to my touch, to my feeling-I can look at-some of the

women I play with, I can just look at em and they-you can just see
the eyes. They the-the irises just disappear. Which is a go sign by
the way. So theres a bunch of things that we do in the sexual
conditioning, but the whole thing is-at any point you gotta be
willing to walk away. You gotta let her know in a very nice, nonconfrontational kind of way that this-what your rules are. How
they work. You give her the experience of her life and you send
her the fuck home. And you dont call her for two or three days
and then you call her up and say, Hey, Im gonna go do this. You
wanna come? You know? And shell probably jump at it.
Usually, if youve done it right, she might try and play-you know
give you a shit test or say, See you later. Just walk. Cause you
know-you can tell by the experience youve given her that no ones
gonna be able to do that. And it may be a legitimate excuseusually theyll just jump at it. Theyll be over at your house in like
20 fucking minutes. And you give her the same process. By the
time youve hit her, youve done this process to her three times,
shes so hooked she cant leave. She cant leave. Ive had-Ive
tested this stuff in ways that you cannot possible imagine. Women
I was banging five years ago and told I was banging other women
are still calling me. In fact, one of the women Im banging is
actually transcribing my book and shes in it. Ive got-its just-you
become such a rare jewel and such a powerful source of pleasureits a sexual addiction.
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Thunder Cat:
And the thing is, and we were talking about this earlier before we
started the interview is that once you got the girl hooked, basically
on you as a drug
Masterclass:
Mm-hmm.
Thunder Cat:
You know there was an audio series a while back that had this like
forbidden pattern in it where like, some guy put-linked a bunch of
negative notions to a door and every time she pissed him off he
just pointed at the door and she wouldnt piss him off anymore.
But with this you dont need that kind of stuff. You know, the
thought of loosing you in and of itself is a punishment on its own.
Masterclass:
Yeah. And again, it goes back to the whole rats and the pleasure
center thing. You become as Major Mark will put it, the dessert
tray. You ever see these nice prim proper women in these highclass restaurants and they wheel out the dessert tray? And all
decorum goes and they just get that look in their eye like, Ooh,
sweet stuff. You become that in their world. You become really
the source of tremendous pleasure and they will through whatever
resources they have at you to get you.
Thunder Cat:
Resources like money.
Masterclass:
Money, time, vehicles
Thunder Cat:
They will cook for you. They will clean for you. They will buy
you clothes, jewelry, cars, whatever it takes.
Masterclass:
Im not wearing a single thing I bought. Right now I mean. Even

the tie I just took off, I mean-its the fucking dream guys. Im
telling you. Its just
Thunder Cat:
Masterclass:
You got three different women buying you stuff, right?

Yeah.
Thunder Cat:
In fact, this one girls father just gave you a huge check, right.
Its a rich guys daughter.
Masterclass:
Who by the way is married. By the way, married doesnt matter.

Theres a book by one of my mentors, Mark Cunningham. Its not
a book that has techniques in it, per se. What it does have are the
attitudes, beliefs, and behaviors of the man who is naturally
attractive to those kinds of women. Its called, Renegade Secrets
of Banging Married Women, or something like that. What he goes
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into are the fruits or actually dialogs hes had over 10,000 women
in very private, very confidential circumstances, combined with
some research on what are the attributes that women find
absolutely irritable in a man. And theyre derived from romantic
novels. Now the reason that becomes important is because everynearly every woman I know loves these freaking boyish ripper
romance novels. But the reason is because they unleash fantasies
that women keep locked away inside their minds. They play with,
you know, they masturbate to these fantasies. Okay?
Thunder Cat:
Now, I mean, these romance novels are to women what porn is to

guys.
Masterclass:
Yeah. They literally are. And they actually trade them like you
and I trade baseball cards or something like that
Thunder Cat:
Or sex technique.
Masterclass:
Or sex techniques. But heres the key. The reason that they eat
these up is because its what theyre raised on. Its what theyre
taught, love, sex, compassion, fulfillment should be and they have
this stereotypical ideal of what the male romantic hero is and what
those attributes are. Now, when you take on those attributes and
you start to display them-first of all, women become less important
to you. When women become less important to you, you become
more important to women. Okay? But you also, by having these,
you know the sinicism and the arrogance and the confidence and
that bad boy with a heart kind of approach, you automatically fire
off-you tend to take on the cocky funny stuff that David D talks
about. If you take on these attributes that cocky funny tends to
emerge in natural byproduct. Okay? But when you start to-when
these attitudes and these behaviors start to come out in who you are
as a person, you become naturally attractive. You dont have to do
anything anymore because its who you are. And women respond
at a very deep level to these attitude, beliefs and behaviors when
theyre demonstrated. Not when theyre talked about but when
you actually demonstrate them in who you are as a person, okay.
Now the other clue to find out whos unfulfilled in their
relationship is-I go to a busy medical school but if you happen to
be on a college campus and you see any-not a lot of women who
are very very active in, you know, school things, like maybe
theyre in a bunch of clubs and stuff like that. If theyre married
theyre not having a good home life. I was the President of the
National Honors Society, 80% of which was women. A lot of
them were nontraditional married students and people. The vast
majority of them were involved in those extra-curricular activities
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because home life was not satisfying and fulfilling. They got a guy
who might have been a good provider, who was a good father but
was not the romantic hero, did not sweep them off their feet, did
not give them the exciting once in a lifetime sexual opportunity
that they crave. And they do. And when you become that guy,
theyre drawn to you like moths to a flame. And I cant tell you
how many women throw sex at me- married women because
married women-when they enter that relationship, their roles
change. And all of a sudden theyre having to divide them self up
between the kids, between the job, between their house, between
the husband and at the end of the day, theres no time left for them.
And so all those desires, all those dreams get squelched and put
away. And a lot of patterns that come from rapid romance and you
know other types of approaches, tap into that. Okay? But you
dont need to do that. You dont need a pattern to do that. If you
understand the behaviors, your life becomes more and then the
beliefs and the attitudes and you start to take those on. You start to
take those on. You start to internalize and thats what a lot of
Marks trained work and Im trained in that-so comes in and you
become that person.
Thunder Cat:
And Im a firm believer that you dont look at what someone says
to get a sense of who they are. You look at what they do.
Masterclass:
Absolutely.
Thunder Cat:
Because people always respond more to action than they respond

to words.
Masterclass:
Mm-hmm.
Thunder Cat:
Thats why people who actually take action are so rare because so
many people always talking about stuff, saying, Oh, Im gonna do
this. Oh, Im gonna do that. But its the people who actually do
it that always get the attention and women are very perceptive.
So
Masterclass:
Theyre much more perceptive than we are as a whole.
Thunder Cat:
And like me. Im like the least perceptive guy there is. But the
things is though, if you adopt a certain type of behavior, women
pick up on that stuff. Even if guys dont women will.
Masterclass:
The challenges is when youre dealing with-women are

exceptionally good at reading body language. And a lot of the big
seduction guys on you list, talk about the difference between being
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somebody and acting like somebody. Women can tell when youre
putting on airs as opposed to just being that person. Because what
happens is when you try to take on those behaviors, you try to act
like something youre not, you have tendency to over do it and that
tics people off that youre not genuine.
Thunder Cat:
And part of the thing is, you know, youre in charge of a group
called Conversational Hypnosis, right?
Masterclass:
Mm-hmm.
Thunder Cat:
And one of your big tenants-you know I was at one of your

seminars one time. You said, If you wanna change your belief,
youve gotta change your behavior and the belief will follow.
Masterclass:
Well, its actually an acting technique. For those of you who are
familiar with the Stanislovsky Method-he talks about acting as if.
Basically, I think the part youre refereeing to is were talking
about state control. Not necessarily the beliefs but states. One of
the things that you learn-if you wanna talk about CPI is that when
you get a report with somebody, theres a two-way communication
going on outside of conciseness awareness and when you assume a
certain physiology your mental state or your emotional state tends
to follow it. Now, its not a one-way process. Its a cyclical
process. If you assume a certain mindset, your physiology tends to
change too. Changing the physiology tends to be more powerful
but its a cycle. One will influence the other. So if you were to
ask yourself, Well, if I were confident with women, how would I
stand? And you stand that way. Within a very short time youll
actually start to go into that confident state. The trick to that is
though you gotta maintain the physiology because we have these
things called habits. You know we have a tendency to slump into
our characteristic posture and of course when you do that, all those
states that associated with come back.
Thunder Cat:
Alright so one of-we talked a lot about the sexual techniques. We

talked about the sexual conditioning
Masterclass:
Mm-hmm.
Thunder Cat:
So you get them so theyre crazy about you. Theyre addicted to

you like a drug offering to buy you all sorts of stuff.
Masterclass:
Theres more involved to the conditioning part of it but that much

right there-if you guys go out and do nothing but that will open up
whole worlds to you. You wont believe.
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Thunder Cat:
Yeah. I mean in your book Im sure youll go into detail about
Masterclass:
Yeah. Well go into the actual beliefs, the attitudes
Thunder Cat:
How to keep from getting married to them.
Masterclass:
Yeah. And you do that right off the bat. You tell em-actually I
even tell women after the first time I rock their world, which we
discussed in general, I look em right in the eye and say, Dont fall
in love with me love. Id only break your heart.
Thunder Cat:
I mean, unless you wanna get married to em. Thats one thing but
if you wanna have multiple partners and wanna have this kind of
like jiggalo lifestyle-American Jiggalo lifestyle that Masterclass
here enjoys-like its important to set the rules up front.
Masterclass:
Youve to because women will do-like I said when once youve

done this to a woman, they will use every resource at their
disposal-sneaky and underhanded or overt to hook you anyway
they can. And one of the fastest ways they do it-if they cant get
you directly is they will try to get you to make little compromises.
Thunder Cat:
Theyll start testing your rules.
Masterclass:
Yeah. Theyll start testing you. Theyll start doing shit like-back
when I was first pioneering this stuff, one of my first rules was, I
just want a friends with benefits type relationship and this was
great and this was fun and I understand that you know, you
probably want a lot more but if this is what Im ready to give you,
Im willing to give you and as long as youre willing to accept that
you know we can continue. But if youre not okay with that then
its time for us to say good-bye. You know, maybe its just better
that you move on. And Ive not had one woman move on. But
basically what Ive told em is my rule. What Im willing to accept.
Ive done it a no confrontational manner. And I do it in pretty
much that kind of a tonality. Im very open about it and I give
them the opportunity to walk away right there. They dont. They
never walk away right there. They dont. They never walk away.
Thunder Cat:
And its a commitment and consistency thing.
Masterclass:
Yeah because you know, you start off a little bit, Theres
something we should talk about but I dont know if youre ready
for it. That kind of thing. And of course she wants to prove that
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shes ready for it and so shes opened herself a little can of worm
and you go into things like
Thunder Cat:
So you say like, to preface it-so youre lying in bed with her and
Masterclass:
Youve just given her the experience of her life.
Thunder Cat:
And everythings lovely dovey and she thinks shes finally found
the guy she thinks shes gonna marry and you say, You know,
theres something we should talk about but youre probably not
ready for it.
Masterclass:
Yeah, something along those lines. And of course she wants to

prove it. And we talked about it in other circles, if a womans
excited about you, shell be even more excited about you if she
thinks she has to work to get you.
Thunder Cat:
And right after that, thats when you go into your rule about not
wanting to be in a monogamous relationship.
Masterclass:
Yeah. Pretty much. Ill say, Im not interested in anything more

than a friends with benefits relationship Thats how I phrase it. I
dont say fuck buddy, unless she really into dirty talk. You know,
but usually if there that into dirty talk right off the bat, theyve got
a pretty wild side. But even the wild girls-most of them havent
had this kind of an experience. I cant tell you the looks I get from
these women. Its just unbelievable sometimes. But-and I
basically tell them, Lets just walk away. And they never dobecause youve paced it. Whats a womans ultimate weapon?
She leaves.
Thunder Cat:
Or she threatens to withdrawal sex.
Masterclass:
Well, youve just taken that whole frame away from her by you
know by giving her three sensorial orgasms and then if youve
gone into this word youve just turned her into fetal public goo.
Okay? And now youre sitting there, youre doing all cuddle
cuddle stuff and you say, Look, this is what Im about. This is
what I want and if youre okay with that we can continue and if
youre not we should say good-bye now. I understand
Thunder Cat:
And youve got just a book load-literally a book load of tactics on

how to do this sort of thing that we cant possibly cover in this
interview which is unfortunate. Youve given some great stuff so
far
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Masterclass:
Thank you.
Thunder Cat:
But to accumulate all this sexual stuff its gonna be-I wanna talk
about the thing that you are pretty much the biggest expert I have
ever met. Ive met some really big like ladies men in my time but
Ive met very few guys who can honestly say theyve been in the
swinging scene for-how many years?
Masterclass:
Four of five year.
Thunder Cat:
Four or five years youve been on the swinging scene. Thats

pretty much a sexual free for all.
Masterclass:
Uh-huh.
Thunder Cat:
Im sure that the reason you developed tactics the way you have is
because your experience in the swinging scene and just the sheer
amount of volume sex that you had in that scene.
Masterclass:
Yeah. Oh, my God. I had to develop a lot of my techniques just to

save myself from exhaustion. And one of the things that DavidDavid talked in his Master Lovers about the swinging scene. He
didnt go into too much depth about some of the trials and pitfalls
of group sex.
Thunder Cat:
And, you know, even his interview with you that we have up on
the site he-you know, we touched on that subject. But Im gonna
ask you to share some of your insights and go into these pitfalls
and stuff like that. But before we do that, lets talk about the good
stuff like how do you get into it? You know, how do you get your
woman into it? All this other stuff.
Masterclass:
Well the fist time I got my woman involved in something like this,
she was totally hetero-not even interested in looking at another
womans vagina, nothing. And basically how I went about it was
you know, I talked dirty to her. I started having-playing little
fantasies in her mind. She was very suggestible so Id play these
fantasies-imagine a woman going down on you or going down on
the most beautiful woman or you find someone she really thinks is
pretty. Have her imagine its that person. But one of the things
that I did-I told her I was interested in this kind of stuff and I gave
her a few URLs or FAQ pages for the swinging lifestyle and the
rules and how it works and stuff like that. Because a lot of people
have a very-misconception that swingers clubs are just these sleazy
nasty, you know, trailer trash people and there are a few out there
but by and large the large majority of the people in the swinging
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lifestyle are professionals. Theyre usually upper middle class.

And just generally nice people who like to indulge in fantasy. The
swinging lifestyle is all about fantasies. People-because of our
culture, because of the jobs that we have and the lifestyles, we
have to be respectable and all the roles that we have to fill.
Theres a huge part of our lives, our sexual natures that we have to
repress. We have to you know, stuff it down. And most people
are walking around just locked up inside but theres a small
segment that David Shade liked to call Sexually Enlightened
People. These are the people who have the strength to realize that
there is a difference. They can separate love and emotion from
sex. Some of my friends in the swingers community call it sport
fucking, which is kind of funny. But this is where swinging will
actually test the strength of your inner game and the strength of
your relationship. But to get into it, the first thing I did was I got
her at least curious. Now how you get a woman curious is really
gonna depend a lot on the woman. Thats kind of an individual
kind of thing. I told her it was something I was always really
really curious about and if she-and there are rules and things like
that. Women like that. And its all safe. But you get to play and
you get to indulge and you can you know, pretend to be somebody
else and all these other little things that go on at these Swingers
Clubs. And so what I do is I gave the girl I was with a bunch of
URLs of frequently asked questions. Where you can just go in and
read these web pages of the most common questions people have
about swinging, about how its evolved, what the rules are. The
other thing you have to do is if youre gonna get involved in the
Swinging Lifestyle and you decide you wanna go and play-you
wanna try things out, you have to determine with your woman
what your rules are first before you set foot in a swingers club.
Okay? Theres different ways to enter the swinging lifestyle. You
can join these newsletters that come out periodically. Theres a lot
of web sites. Theres on premise clubs. Theres off-premise clubs.
And theres house parties. Theyre all different venue where you
can try-I recommend for people just starting out in that particular
venue to go to some of these off-premise clubs first or the onpremise clubs. Basically because they have an interview process.
A lot of the clubs that I used to go to, you actually had to be
interviewed by the club owners before theyd let you in because
its a very privacy oriented type of a
Thunder Cat:
And quality control and they dont want a bunch of single guys
showing up.
Masterclass:
Most of them wont let single guys in or if they do they charge

such an exurbanite price to get in that most people dont even try.
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Theyll let single women in a heartbeat because most of the

couples there, the females bi. Shes licking as much clam just as
much as you are. A lot of times I was the one waiting in line after
my girlfriend got **** with the couple we were with or with the
girl we were playing with or whatever. But a lot of couples will
actually bring a third person whos curious. You know? And
thats when things will get real interesting. But you walk into
places like that and the first thing you see are usually these striper
poles with these housewives or these school teachers or these
nurses, you know, whove always dreamed about being that
sexually exotic, alluring, enticing, seductively powerful woman
that they, you know, you read about without all the nasty, you
know, dysfunctional stuff that goes with it. They want that
fantasy. They want that eroticism and theyre up there dancingswinging on the poles and guys are sitting there, theyre tongues
hanging out. The girls are sitting there with their tongues hanging
out.
Thunder Cat:
(Laughter)
Masterclass:
You know? And you have rooms with the little-you know the little
toys in it, the whips, the chains, the swings, depending on the kind
of clubs you go to. Honestly, and a lot of times when you go to
these-you know how hard it is to hook up with you know, a woman
in a club. Well, imagine trying to hook up with a couple cause
now you got twice as many people that gotta like you. So a lot of
times the thing you gotta do is you gotta go in and you gotta be
dominant. You gotta actually go and introduce yourself which of
course sets the frame. Learning how to work groups, all a mystery
method. That kind of thing is really useful
Thunder Cat:
The Mystery Group Theory is excellent.
Masterclass:
Its-Ive actually used it in swing clubs back when I was actually

going out and doing a lot of that. I havent had the time lately or
the energy. But yeah, group theory works really well in swing
clubs. But it will test the strength of your relationship. The first
time you see a woman or see a guy with his tongue down your
girlfriends throat or your wifes throat, really tests, you know
what you find
Thunder Cat:
I know personally I could never do this cause I just get way too
jealous.
Masterclass:
Yeah.
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Thunder Cat:
Call it insecure. Call it what have you but thats not for me cause
Im such an attention whore to begin with. I want her
Masterclass:
Im that way. I had one experience where-we had this one circle of
friends that we had you know, gotten to know pretty well and they
had one circle of friends that we didnt know. We had just met
them that night and I took this gentlemens wife out on the dance
floor and it was getting pretty suggestive so I made her come right
there on the dance floor. I just did my finger magic and she
literally-just her knees buckled
Thunder Cat:
You fingered this guys wife on the dance floor?
Masterclass:
Yeah, yeah. And
Thunder Cat:
Now this was at a swinging club?
Masterclass:
Yeah.
Thunder Cat:
Okay. I wasnt quite clear on that.
Masterclass:
And she looked-she got that look in her eye and she laid a kiss on
me in front of him and I thought the guy was just gonna go
berserk. And they spent the rest of the night arguing and fighting,
one trying to leave and the other trying to stay. Then the other
would try to leave and the other would try to stay-because they got
face to face with the reality that, yeah, your wife could hook up
with someone or you husband could hook up with someone and
when it happens and especially when a guy you know, gives your
wife an orgasm
Thunder Cat:
Or if they get you, they blow the wifes mind.
Masterclass:
Well, thats pretty much what happened. So I didnt get to close

that deal that night but I did get her off. But it was a good thing
that you found that out then and there because swinging will-itll
either make your relationship stronger or it will totally destroy it.
And the reason I say that is because as you know David Shade
calls them sexually enlightened people and even Susan and weve
talked about it. Shell share Davids cock but not his heart. Thats
what its about. Okay? Its understanding how to separate the
emotion from the act. Now Im not saying theres no emotion
involved. Theres arousal and eroticism and all that good stuff but
when it comes down to brass tacks, youre with this person and
whoever you play with you go home with the person you came
with or you go to sleep with the person you came with. That was
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the rules I lived by. And I still live by them. You know? And
everybodys rules are different. You know, its only cheating if
youre breaking the rules. You know as long as youre willing to
live by the rules that you set with your partner, swinging is a great
way, if youll pardon the expression, to have you cake and eat it
too, because you get all the perks of being in a loving caring
healthy relationship and all the variety any man or woman could
want sexually, which is the thing most people crave. And Im
gonna get-Ill get all kinds of flack for saying that from the straight
lace people out there. The truth is we all want some variety in our
life because you know, you may have a favorite food but eating it
every single fucking day gets old. You know? When you do the
technique-whats funny is when you do the techniques that I talk
about in the book and one-some that Ive talked about here, the
most common statement I get from these women is, I cant
believe it just keeps getting better. This is a year, two years later.
Its just getting better. And its because they become more and
more responsive to you and you learn about-you play with new
things and you build on what youve already got. And it does just
keep getting better and better cause youre making love not just to
her body but to her whole fucking mind, which David talks about.
You see me tal-I quote a lot of these people because you know, I
learn from them, they learn from me. You know? And thats-I
think thats the way to go about things. No one person has all the
answers. I still learn these things. And you know, people learn
things from me all the time and it should be that way. Ill share
one that I learned from you, which is the whole sniffing thing. I
wanna give you credit for that cause prior to you talking about that,
I had never heard of the whole sniffing thing. I said, well, lets go
test this.-Thunder Cat:
Women loved to be smelled.
Masterclass:
They do. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. She just left a puddle in her
pants. It was unreal. Women-yeah, literally you dont have to
Thunder Cat:
And not smelled between their legs
Masterclass:
No, no.
Thunder Cat:
I mean you smell them on their neck, shoulders
Masterclass:
Neck, around their ears behind, you know, on the nape of the neck
and its just little (sniff, sniff) you can play with the how long you
do it and they just respond like gang busters. Its just so
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Thunder Cat:
I like the long one like (sniff) (Laughter) like youre doing a line of
cocaine or something like that. You know?
Masterclass:
(Laughter) Id wind up with a hair up my nose or something. But

yeah, Ill give full props to you for sharing that one with me.
Thunder Cat:
Its all about, you know, exchanging information. Some people

get pissed at me because I charge for this stuff. This stuffs so
good that if everyone started doing it, like, you know it would
loose its effectiveness.
Masterclass:
Absolutely.
Thunder Cat:
To share this information. And it takes a lot of time and a lot of

effort. Especially like with you because now youre writing a book
with it and you have reason to share and stuff like that. I like to
think that I was also instrumental in getting you to
Masterclass:
You absolutely were. And a lot of it is because one of the things

that makes this so special is theres not many people who can do it.
And the simple truth is even after the majority of people buy my
book and read it and learn it and use it youll still be in the
minority. I mean if 1,000,000 people, which is a conservative
estimate, buy the book, theres still billions and billions of men out
there who are just sexually inept or who are painfully average. So
theres lots of opportunities for the people who learn these
techniques to go out and really have the lifestyle that they want.
Now, I didnt talk a lot about picking up women. Theres a lot of
people teaching some great techniques and various schools I
recommend you study em all cause each and every one is
exceptionally good at a certain area or a certain environment. And
you wanna be as functional in all of them as you can but you
wanna find the ones that work best for you. Think of it as picking
up or something like that but when it comes to day two-when it
comes to setting up systems where, you know, a year later I can
pick up the phone at any given moment and be between someones
legs in 20 minutes. You know or have them over here in 20
minutes or say, Hey, take me out to dinner.
Thunder Cat:
Its like ordering a pizza.
Masterclass:
Its literally like ordering a pizza. I have a woman taking me out

to dinner tomorrow who also wants to set up my budget for me. I
had to turn down a car from her the other day cause she was
actually getting ready to take out a loan to buy me a car. I do have
limits.
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Thunder Cat:
Yeah, but this is the type of stuff you can condition women to do
for you.
Masterclass:
They-it becomes their own idea. You know, it-you know, it starts
with little things-you actually condition them to start buying by
say, Well, take me to a movie or where are you taking me for
dinner? Little inoquious things and then you let them do it.
Thunder Cat:
And I know that you saved the really evil conditioning stuff for
you know, your product-damn you. I wish it were here
Masterclass:
(Laughter)
Thunder Cat:
But you know we gotta stop somewhere.
Masterclass:
Okay.
Thunder Cat:
Anyway. David, I would like to thank you very much for sharing a
glimmer of your knowledge with me and
Masterclass:
Its a pleasure.
Thunder Cat:
And Im sure in the future well be doing another interview very

soon.
Masterclass:
I look forward to it.
Thunder Cat:
Okay, thanks a lot.
Masterclass:
[End of Audio]
Thanks a lot man.
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