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THE DEPARTMENT OF CONSERVATION


AND NATURAL RESOURCES
ADVISORY BOARD

MAY 20TH, 2006


ERIE MEYER CIVIC CENTER
GULF SHORES, ALABAMA
9:00 A.M.

A P P E A R A N C E S
ADVISORY BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT:
M. BARNETT LAWLEY, COMMISSIONER
LOUIS W. COLES
DR. A. WAYNE MAY
JOHNNY JOHNSON
GEORGE HARBIN
GRANT LYNCH
JAMES PORTER
ROSS M. SELF
BILL HATLEY
ALSO PRESENT:
ROBIN NUMMY, SECRETARY
DR. GAINES SMITH, AUBURN EXTENSION
SERVICE DIRECTOR

I N D E X
CALL TO ORDER
INVOCATION
INTRODUCTION OF BOARD MEMBERS
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
PUBLIC HEARING
REPORTS BY DISTRICT
OLD BUSINESS
NEW BUSINESS
FEBRUARY MEETING ANNOUNCEMENT

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CAPTION
I, JAMIE BURNETT, A COURT
REPORTER ON BEHALF OF LEGALINK FOSHEE &
TURNER, HEREBY CERTIFY THAT THE ABOVE
ENTITLED MEETING CAME ON TO BE HEARD
BEFORE THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD OF
THE ALABAMA DEPARTMENT OF CONSERVATION
AND NATURAL RESOURCES, IN GULF SHORES,
ALABAMA, AT 9:00 A.M., ON THE 20TH DAY OF
MAY, 2006, AT ERIE MEYER CIVIC CENTER,
1930 WEST 2ND STREET, GULF SHORES,
ALABAMA, AND THE FOLLOWING WAS HAD AND
DONE:
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CALL TO ORDER
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CHAIRMAN HATLEY: GOOD MORNING.
I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING OF THE
CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD TO ORDER, AND
I WOULD LIKE TO ASK AT THIS TIME FOR
MR. JOHNNY JOHNSON TO COME FORWARD AND
GIVE THE INVOCATION PLEASE.
(WHEREUPON, THE INVOCATION WAS GIVEN BY
MR. JOHNSON.)
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: THANK YOU
MR. JOHNSON.
ON BEHALF OF ROSS SELF AND
MYSELF, WE WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME ALL OF
YOU TO GULF SHORES, ALABAMA. WE HOPE YOU
HAVE A VERY ENJOYABLE TIME, EITHER
VISITING OUR BEACHES OR PLAYING ON OUR
GOLF COURSES OR EATING SOME OF OUR GOOD
SOUTHERN ALABAMA FOOD.
MR. SELF: DON'T FORGET THE
FISHING.
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: DON'T FORGET
THE FISHING. ROSS SAYS FOR ME NOT TO
FORGET THE FISHING. ROSS IS A FISHERMAN.
AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO CALL
ON COMMISSIONER LAWLEY TO INTRODUCE THE
BOARD.
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INTRODUCTION OF
BOARD MEMBERS
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COMMISSIONER LAWLEY: IF YOU
WOULD, ANSWER WHEN YOUR NAME IS CALLED.
DAN MOULTRIE? COULDN'T BE WITH US TODAY.
LOUIS COLES.
MR. COLES: HERE.
COMMISSIONER LAWLEY: DR. WAYNE
MAY?
DR. MAY: HERE.
COMMISSIONER LAWLEY: MR. PORTER?
UNABLE TO BE HERE ALSO. MR. HATLEY?
JUST SPOKE. DOCTOR SMITH?
DR. SMITH: HERE.
COMMISSIONER LAWLEY: MR. SELF?
MR. SELF: HERE.
COMMISSIONER LAWLEY:
MR. JOHNSON?
MR. JOHNSON: HERE.
COMMISSIONER LAWLEY: MR. LYNCH?
MR. LYNCH: HERE.
COMMISSIONER LAWLEY:

MR. GEORGE

HARBIN?
MR. HARBIN: HERE.
COMMISSIONER LAWLEY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, WE HAVE A QUORUM.
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APPROVAL OF MINUTES
OF LAST MEETING
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CHAIRMAN HATLEY: GENTLEMEN, YOU
WILL FIND IN YOUR PACKETS WE HAVE TWO
SETS OF MINUTES. I'M SURE ALL OF YOU HAD
AMPLE OPPORTUNITY REVIEW THOSE. ONE IS
OUR FEBRUARY MEETING, AND ONE IS OF OUR
MAY MEETING. I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE
FEBRUARY MINUTES FIRST. ARE THERE ANY
CORRECTIONS IN THOSE MINUTES? IF NOT,
THE CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO
ADOPT THOSE MINUTES.
MR. COLES: SO MOVED.
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: SECOND?
MR. JOHNSON: SECOND.
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: ALL IN FAVOR
SIGNIFY BY THE RAISING THE RIGHT HAND.
(ALL BOARD MEMBERS SIGNIFY.)
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: THE MINUTES ARE
APPROVED. THE MAY MINUTES ARE -- ARE
THERE ANY CORRECTIONS -- MARCH, MARCH.
I'M SORRY. MINUTES, THIS IS MAY.
DR. SMITH: MOVE FOR APPROVAL.
MR. JOHNSON: SECOND.
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: ALL IN FAVOR
SHOW -(ALL BOARD MEMBERS SIGNIFY.)
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: THANK YOU.
THOSE MINUTES ARE APPROVED AS PRESENTED.
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AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO
START OUR PUBLIC HEARING, AND AFTER
WHICH, DEPENDING ON THE AMOUNT OF TIME
THAT WE USE, WE MAY NOT TAKE A BREAK
TODAY, AS ROBIN HAD POINTED OUT WE DID
NOT HAVE THAT MANY SPEAKERS, BUT THE
SPEAKERS ARE ON SEVERAL DIFFERENT TOPICS.
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PUBLIC HEARING
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CHAIRMAN HATLEY: WE'RE GOING TO
START OUT WITH THE FIRST SPEAKER IN
REFERENCE TO GILL NETS. AND I'M GOING TO
ASK MR. DAVID BROWN TO PLEASE COME
FORWARD.
MR. BROWN: OKAY. AM I ON?
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: YOU'RE ON.
MR. BROWN: OKAY. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH, GENTLEMEN, FOR SHOWING UP THIS
MORNING AND MEETING US ON A SATURDAY. I
APPRECIATE IT. WE ALL TOOK A DAY OFF TO
DO THIS.
MY NAME IS CAPTAIN DAVID BROWN.
I'M A BOARD MEMBER OF THE ORANGE BEACH
FISHING ASSOCIATION, AND I RESIDE IN
ORANGE BEACH, ALABAMA. I'VE BEEN RUNNING
A GUIDE FISHING SERVICE FULL-TIME FOR
ELEVEN YEARS NOW. I HAVE
TWENTY-FIVE YEARS ON THE LOCAL WATERS.
I'M GOING TO MAKE THIS CONCISE THROUGH
THIS LETTER.
"DEAR ADVISORY BOARD AND MEMBERS,
ON THE COAST OF ALABAMA THE ONGOING
CHALLENGE OF PROPER RESOURCE MANAGEMENT
IS TO ENSURE THE VITALITY OF RESOURCES
WHILE CHANGING FACTORS THREATEN TO
DIMINISH ITS AVAILABILITY. THE DEMAND ON
OUR RESOURCES IN THIS AREA IS INCREASING
AS WE SEE HIGH POPULATION GROWTH LOCALLY
AND IN THE SOUTHEASTERN REGION AS WELL.
THE STATE OF ALABAMA HAS AN OBLIGATION TO
ENSURE THAT THE RESIDENTS AND VISITORS TO
THIS AREA ARE ABLE TO ENJOY RECREATIONAL
FISHING.
"THE ECONOMIC TREND FOR OUR COAST
IS TOWARD RECREATIONAL AND LEISURE
ACTIVITIES. FISHING IS A BIG PART OF
THIS. ANGLING FOR SPECKLED TROUT,
REDFISH, AND POMPANO AND OTHER SPORTS
FISH IS A LARGE, GROWING MARKET WITH EVER
HIGHER CONSUMER POTENTIAL. RECENTLY,
RECREATIONAL CATCHERS OF SPANISH
MACKEREL, POMPANO, AND OTHER VALUED SPORT
FISH HAVE BEEN DOWN. I CAN ATTEST TO
THIS PERSONALLY. THIS ACTIVITY IS
CONSISTENT WITH TRENDS OVER THE PAST FEW
YEARS.
"THIS CASE WAS BROUGHT UP DURING
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OUR RECENT MEETING, AND SOME LONG-TIME
BOAT CAPTAINS WERE CONCERNED ABOUT SOME
OF THE ZERO CATCHES THEY HAD ON SPANISH
MACKEREL THIS YEAR. THE ECONOMIC IMPACT
OF RECREATIONAL FISHING INDUSTRY IS VERY
DIFFICULT TO OVERSTATE. IN AN EFFORT TO
PRESERVE RESOURCES, OUR NEIGHBORING GULF
COAST STATES HAVE BEEN PROACTIVE ON GILL
NETTING ISSUE, AND THE RESULTS HAVE BEEN
VERY POSITIVE.
"IN 1995, FLORIDA ISSUED A GILL
NET BAN THAT RESULTED IN THE BENEFITS TO
ALABAMA ANGLERS DUE TO A REBOUND IN FISH
STOCKS. HOWEVER, THIS BENEFIT HAS BEEN
NEGATED BECAUSE ALABAMA CONTINUES TO
PERMIT GILL-NET FISHERY, AND IT HAS
RESULTED IN A LOCAL DEPLETION OF FISH
STOCKS.
"WE CAN'T IGNORE THE MONETARY
IMPACT OF THE GULF OF MEXICO. AS A
MATTER OF FACT, THE RECREATIONAL FISHING
INDUSTRY IS VALUED AT OVER EIGHTY BILLION
DOLLARS ANNUALLY IN THE GULF. BY
CONTRAST, IN 2005 A HUNDRED AND
TWENTY-SIX NET PERMITS WERE ISSUED BY THE
STATE OF ALABAMA TO OPERATE ON A VERY
LIMITED COASTLINE, AS WE ALL KNOW.
"AS A RESULT, SPANISH MACKEREL
WAS SOLD FOR AS LITTLE AS $0.60 PER POUND
BY NETTERS. THIS IS A STARK CONTRAST TO
THE RECREATIONAL INDUSTRY'S ECONOMIC
INPUT. ONE MUST ALSO QUESTION HOW MUCH
OF THE ECONOMIC CATCH IS SOLD OUT OF
STATE.
"TO ILLUSTRATE THE BURDEN THE
GILL NETS CAN PLACE ON LOCAL FISH, IT
SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE STATE HAS ISSUED
ENOUGH PERMITS TO GILL NETTERS TO LINE
THE ENTIRE COAST OF ALABAMA WITH THESE
DEADLY NETS. THEIR IMPACT IS CLEAR, AND
SOMETHING MUST BE DONE TO STOP THE
DESTRUCTION OF FISH IN LOCAL WATERS. THE
ENTANGLEMENT DEVICES ARE TOO EFFECTIVE
FOR LOCAL FISH STOCKS TO ENDURE.
"CONSERVATION MUST BE A PRIORITY
AT THIS TIME. THE REMOVAL OF GILL NETS
IN THE FISHERIES MUST BE A PART OF THE
EQUATION. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR
YOUR CONSIDERATION, CAPTAIN DAVID BROWN."
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: THANK YOU,
DAVID. ANY COMMENTS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR
MR. BROWN? THANK YOU DAVID, APPRECIATE
YOU COMING.
MR. BROWN: THANKS YOU ALL FOR
HEARING ME. GOOD MEETING YOU.
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: THANK YOU. ALL
RIGHT. NEXT WE HAVE MR. JACK CROPP.
MR. CROPP: MR. CHAIRMAN, MY NAME
IS JACK CROPP, AND I'M FROM PELL CITY AND
ST. CLAIR COUNTY, DISTRICT TWO.
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I ASKED Y'ALL AT THE FIRST
MEETING THIS YEAR TO CONSIDER AN ARCHERY
SEASON PERMIT, AN ARCHERY TURKEY TAG, AND
TO GIVE THE DRAWLOCK THE SAME STATUS AS
ANY OTHER ARCHERY EQUIPMENT, AND TO BE
SURE TO INSIST THAT COMPLAINTS AGAINST
HUNTERS, ESPECIALLY DOG HUNTERS, BE
PROVEN. AND I SENT Y'ALL A LETTER
RECENTLY AND GAVE Y'ALL AN EXAMPLE OF WHY
COMPLAINTS AGAINST THE HUNTERS OUGHT TO
BE PROVEN.
AND TODAY I WANT TO TALK ABOUT
SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S IMPORTANT, AND I
THINK EVERY HUNTER AND FISHERMAN IN THE
STATE OF ALABAMA SHOULD BE CONCERNED.
IT'S A SAD DAY WHEN THE CONSERVATION
DEPARTMENT ADVISORY BOARD PROMOTES THE
POSITION THAT THE ANTI-HUNTERS LIKE PETA
AND SPCA AND OTHERS HAVE USED FOR A
NUMBER OF YEARS TO SUPPORT THEIR EFFORT
TO STOP HUNTING AND FISHING ALTOGETHER.
THAT'S WHAT YOU DO, GENTLEMEN,
WHEN YOU SAY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW
SHOOTING TURKEYS WITH CROSSBOWS BECAUSE
SOME OF THEM MAY NOT BE RECOVERED. AN
ARROW KILLS BY HEMORRHAGE, AND THERE'S
VERY LITTLE SHOCK INVOLVED. SO ANYTHING
YOU SHOOT WITH AN ARROW, IT'S REASONABLE
TO ASSUME THAT IT'S GOING TO RUN AWAY.
IT'S GOING TO LIVE A FEW MINUTES AND RUN
AWAY. DURING THAT TIME, SOME OF THEM MAY
NOT BE RECOVERED.
IF YOU TAKE THAT POSITION,
THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN LEGITIMATELY
SUPPORT ANY KIND OF HUNTING, ESPECIALLY
ARCHERY HUNTING. SO I THINK IT'S TIME TO
CUT OUT THE BULL AND LET'S GO AHEAD AND
MAKE THE CROSSBOW JUST LIKE ANY OTHER
ARCHERY EQUIPMENT. RIGHT NOW IT'S KIND
OF LIKE THIS INSURANCE COMMERCIAL ON
TELEVISION. IT'S LEGAL IF YOU DON'T USE
IT.
AND FINALLY, I WOULD LIKE FOR THE
ADVISORY BOARD TO RECOMMEND TO THE
CONSERVATION DEPARTMENT THAT THEY PUBLISH
THESE MINUTES IN THIS MEETINGS OF THESE
PUBLIC MEETINGS IN A MORE TIMELY MANNER.
A COUPLE OF WEEKS OUGHT TO BE SUFFICIENT;
MONTHS IS RIDICULOUS. THANK YOU.
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: THANK YOU,
MR. CROPP. ANY QUESTIONS?
MR. COLES: YES. MR. CROPP, I
HAVE A QUESTION. I'M IN RECEIPT OF YOUR
LETTER OF MAY THE 15TH -MR. CROPP: YES, SIR.
MR. COLES: -- THAT YOU SENT, I
ASSUME, TO ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS?
MR. CROPP: YES, SIR.
MR. COLES: THERE'S A COMMENT
THAT YOU MADE THAT I PERSONALLY TAKE
OFFENSE TO. AND I'M QUOTING YOUR LETTER:
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"THIS IS ALSO TRUE FOR THE SO-CALLED
PERMIT SYSTEM, A SYSTEM WHEREBY
PUNISHMENT CAN BE ADMINISTERED WITHOUT
PROOF OF COMPLAINT."
SIXTY PERCENT OF THE COUNTIES
THAT HAVE A PERMIT SYSTEM ARE IN MY
DISTRICT. THE CAPTAIN WHO'S IN CHARGE OF
THAT DISTRICT HAS A SYSTEM WHEREBY ANY
COMPLAINT THAT IS MADE ABOUT DOG DEER
HUNTING IS REGISTERED. AND THEN IT'S
ALSO NOTED ON THE COMPLAINT WHETHER IT'S
VERIFIED OR UNVERIFIED.
THERE ARE NO PUNISHMENTS
ADMINISTERED TO ANY PERMITTEE UNLESS
VERIFIED COMPLAINTS ARE IN SUBSTANTIAL
NUMBERS. I WANT TO ASSURE YOU OF THAT.
MR. CROPP: OKAY. WELL, I'M GLAD
TO HEAR THAT BECAUSE IT WAS MY
UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WAS JUST THE SAME
AS IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN. A SO-CALLED
LANDOWNER OR ANTI-DOG HUNTER IN THAT AREA
COULD COME BEFORE THE BOARD AND SAY, JOE
BLOW RUN DOGS ACROSS MY PLACE EVERY DAY
THIS YEAR, AND THE BOARD TAKES ACTION.
MR. COLES: NO, SIR. ONLY
VERIFIED COMPLAINTS ARE HELD AGAINST THE
PERMITTEE. THE ONLY PUNISHMENT THAT'S
BEEN ADMINISTERED IN THE LAST TWO YEARS
IS SOME LAND HAS BEEN USED AS A BUFFER
ZONE BETWEEN COMPLAINERS AND DOG DEER
HUNTING GROUPS. AND THAT BUFFER ZONE HAS
WORKED VERY WELL.
I THINK YOU'LL HEAR TESTIMONY
FROM SOME FOLKS THAT ARE UNDER THE PERMIT
SYSTEM HERE THAT IT IS WORKING AND THAT
IT'S BEEN VERY BENEFICIAL. IT'S ONE OF
THE FIRST TIMES THAT DOG DEER HUNTERS AND
LANDOWNERS HAVE COME TO THE TABLE IN
AGREEMENT, AND IT'S WORKING IN THOSE
PLACES.
MR. CROPP: WELL I'M GLAD TO HEAR
IT'S WORKING, AND I HOPE IT CONTINUES TO
WORK. AND WE DON'T GET INTO A POSITION
WHERE IF A PERSON HAS A COMPLAINT, IN MY
OPINION, IF THEY CAN'T PRODUCE A POLICE
REPORT WHERE THEY FILED A CHARGE AGAINST
SOMEBODY, THEN THEY DON'T KNOW WHO DONE
IT. THEY'RE JUST GUESSING. I WISH YOU
LUCK WITH THAT EFFORT, MR. COLES.
MR. COLES: YES. THANK YOU.
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: ANY OTHER
QUESTIONS OF MR. CROPP?
MR. CROPP: THANK YOU.
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: THANKS, JACK.
NEXT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK MS. SUSAN MORROW
TO COME FORWARD, PLEASE.
MS. MORROW: GOOD MORNING,
ADVISORY BOARD. MY NAME IS SUSAN MORROW.
I'M IN MOBILE COUNTY, AND I COME BEFORE
Y'ALL TODAY TO THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH FOR
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THE DISABILITY AREA HUNTING. AND ALSO I
WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR MORE DOG DAYS.
KIDS REALLY ENJOY THE DOG HUNTING. WE
ALL SEEM TO ENJOY IT, MOST OF US. AND WE
NEED MORE DOG DAYS, ESPECIALLY ON OUR
WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT AREAS. AND I WOULD
LIKE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER THIS. THANK
YOU.
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: MS. MORROW, I
HAVE A QUESTION. WHERE DID YOU LIVE?
MS. MORROW: I LIVE IN
TURNERVILLE, ALABAMA, AND I RECEIVE MY
MAIL IN SATSUMA.
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: THANK YOU. ANY
OTHER QUESTIONS OF MS. MORROW? THANK YOU
VERY MUCH.
MS. MORROW: THANK YOU.
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: NEXT I WOULD
LIKE TO CALL ON MR. DOUGLAS BRYANT,
PLEASE.
MR. BRYANT: MORNING. I'M
DOUGLAS RAY BRYANT, SR. I LIVE IN
RUSSELLVILLE, ALABAMA, WHICH IS NORTHWEST
ALABAMA. I'M HERE ABOUT THE DOG HUNTING.
WE LOST OUR DOG HUNTING UP IN THEM
COUNTIES. I WAS AT THE LAST MEETING IN
MONTGOMERY WHERE WE HAD SOME PEOPLE THAT
STOOD UP AND SAID THAT THEY WERE FOR OUR
COUNTY, REPRESENTING OUR COUNTY DOWN HERE
AT THESE MEETINGS.
I WENT TO SOME OF THE LANDOWNERS,
MOST OF THE LANDOWNERS IN MY COUNTY, AND
NO OTHER COUNTY, AND ASKED THEM ABOUT MR.
JEFFREYS AND MS. BAKER THAT STANDS UP
HERE REPRESENTING THEMSELVES AS FOR MY
COUNTY. THE LANDOWNERS IN OUR COUNTY DO
NOT KNOW THESE PEOPLE. THEY DO NOT
RECOGNIZE THESE PEOPLE AS BEING IN OUR
COUNTY AS A LANDOWNER.
I MYSELF WISH THEY WOULD QUIT
COMING DOWN HERE REPRESENTING FRANKLIN
COUNTY, BECAUSE EVERY LANDOWNER THAT I'VE
TALKED TO THAT'S IN OUR COUNTY DON'T KNOW
THEM, DON'T KNOW OF THEM BEING THERE.
I'VE ASKED THESE LANDOWNERS IF THEY HAVE
A PROBLEM WITH OUR DOGS RUNNING ON THEIR
LAND. EVERY ONE THAT I TALKED TO HAVE NO
PROBLEM.
THEY SOMETIMES WISH WE WOULD BE
ABLE TO RUN OUR DOGS BECAUSE THE DEER IS
EATING THE GARDENS AND ALL THE VEGETATION
AND STUFF. I WAS LISTENING TO MR. JACK
THERE TALK ABOUT THE PERMIT SYSTEM.
WE'VE BEEN TRYING IN OUR AREA WITH
MR. DON KNIGHT, WHO IS THE PRESIDENT OF
OUR DOG HUNTER ASSOCIATION, TO TRY TO GET
A PERMIT SYSTEM IN OUR AREA.
SO FAR, EVERY EFFORT WE'VE TRIED
HAS FAILED. DUE TO -- ONE OF THE BOARD
MEMBERS THAT'S OVER OUR AREA AND THE
LANDOWNERS TOGETHER, WE'VE HAD PETITIONS
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SIGNED BY LANDOWNERS. WE'VE HAD


DOGHUNTERS ASSOCIATION INVITE THEM TO THE
MEETINGS. WE'VE REALLY TRIED VERY HARD
TO DO EVERY EFFORT WE COULD TO GET THE
PERMIT SYSTEM. AND I NOTICED THE OTHER
COUNTY, THE ALABAMA PERMIT SYSTEM IS
WORKING GOOD JUST LIKE MR. COLES THERE
SAID.
I WOULD REALLY, REALLY LIKE FOR
THE BOARD TO LOOK AT THAT, TO WHERE WE
COULD GET THE PERMIT SYSTEM TO RUN OUR
DOGS OR SOME KIND OF SYSTEM. WE'VE GOT
LANDOWNERS IN FRANKLIN COUNTY THAT'S
WILLING TO COME TO THE TABLE. I CAN GET
YOU NAMES AND I CAN GET YOU A PETITION OF
PEOPLE THAT IS WILLING TO WORK WITH US
OWN IT.
BACK TWO YEARS AGO WE HAD THREE
OR FOUR THOUSAND PEOPLE THAT WAS WILLING
LANDOWNERS AND OUR HUNTING CLUB
PRESIDENTS, THE PEOPLE IN OUR AREA, THAT
WANTED DOG HUNTING TO KEEP GOING BECAUSE
OF THE YOUTH WE'VE GOT IN OUR AREA. A
LOT OF US GOT KIDS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO
KEEP THEM IN HUNTING AND KEEP THEM OUT OF
TROUBLE. YOU KNOW, YOU GET THEM IN
HUNTING AND FISHING AND KEEPS THEM OUT OF
TROUBLE AND OFF THE STREETS.
I REALLY WISH THE BOARD WOULD
TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND TRY TO HELP US
GET OUR DOG HUNTING BACK IN OUR COUNTY.
WE CAN COME TO AN AGREEMENT TO WHERE
EVERYBODY CAN HAVE THEIR WAY AND ALL OF
THAT KIND OF STUFF. I REALLY WISH Y'ALL
WOULD LOOK AT IT.
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: THANK YOU VERY
MUCH, MR. BRYANT. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY
COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR MR. BRYANT?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE YOU
COMING.
MR. BRYANT: THANK YOU VERY MUCH;
APPRECIATE IT.
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: MR. FRANK
FINCHER.
MR. FINCHER: I WAS AT THE
MEETING IN TUSCALOOSA IN MARCH. AND
THERE WAS A FELLOW THAT GOT UP AND TALKED
IN MONTGOMERY UP THERE ABOUT THE HUNTERS
AND DOG HUNTERS IN BUTLER COUNTY. I
DIDN'T HUNT UP THERE LAST YEAR, BUT
WASN'T THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HIGHWAY 10
AND 65 IS WHERE HE WAS TALKING ABOUT? I
THINK.
I'VE HUNTED UP THERE TWO OR THREE
YEARS AGO WITH THOSE FOLKS. AND MOST OF
THEM IN THE CLUB THAT I HUNTED WITH IS
SENIOR CITIZENS. AND THE MAN WAS TRYING
TO MAKE THEM OUT AS KIND OF BAD.
EVERYONE THERE IS OVER 65 YEARS OLD.
THAT'S WHAT -- I JUST WANTED TO, FOR
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Y'ALL TO CONSIDER ON IT. YOU KNOW, TAKE
IT -- IN OTHER WORDS, IF THEY DO AWAY
WITH THE DOG HUNTING, YOU'RE GOING TO GET
RID OF, I IMAGINE, OVER HALF THE MEMBERS
THERE. THAT'S ALL.
IN OTHER WORDS, I DIDN'T GET TO
TALK AT THAT MEETING BECAUSE I GOT THERE
JUST AS HE WAS TALKING AND I HADN'T
SIGNED UP. THIS AREA, IT'S A BIG RACK
HUNTING CLUB.
MR. HATLEY: MR. FINCH, YOU
RESIDE IN MOBILE, ALABAMA?
MR. FINCHER: YES. I RESIDE IN
MOBILE.
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: AND YOU HUNT IN
BUTLER COUNTY?
MR. FINCHER: WELL, I DIDN'T LAST
YEAR. I HUNTED UP THERE WITH THEM TWO OR
THREE YEARS AGO. I KNOW MOST OF THE
PEOPLE THAT HUNT UP THERE WITH THEM AND
ALL IN THE CLUB. THAT'S ALL I WANTED, TO
LET YOU KNOW THAT IT WASN'T A BUNCH OF
RUFFIANS OR THUGS THAT THE MAN WAS
TALKING ABOUT THERE. THEY'RE OLD PEOPLE.
AND HE WAS TALKING ABOUT FEEDING THE DOGS
UNDER THE FENCE AND ALL. I DON'T KNOW.
WHEN I WAS UP THERE, I DIDN'T SEE A DOG
YOU COULD FEED UNDER THE FENCE.
I DON'T THINK -- IN OTHER WORDS,
I JUST WANTED TO CONTRADICT WHAT THE MAN
SAYS, IS ABOUT WHAT IT AMOUNTS TO.
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: THANK YOU VERY
MUCH FOR COMING, MR. FINCHER.
MR. FINCHER: YES, SIR.
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: APPRECIATE YOUR
COMMENTS. NEXT WE HAVE MR. RICKEY HAYES.
MR. HAYES: MR. CHAIRMAN,
MR. COMMISSIONER, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD,
I'M RICKEY HAYES FROM HENRY COUNTRY
ALABAMA. WE'RE BEGINNING OUR THIRD
SEASON ON THE PERMIT SYSTEM. AS I TOLD
YOU LAST TIME, IT'S NOT THE BEST SYSTEM,
BUT IT IS A SYSTEM THAT SEEMS TO BE
WORKING FOR US.
IT GIVES US, AS DOG HUNTERS, THE
RIGHT AND THE RULES TO CONTINUE OUR SPORT
IN AN ETHICAL MANNER. AND IT GIVES
PEOPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE,
ANTI-DOG HUNTERS, SOMETHING THAT ASSURES
THEM THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING THE RULES AND
GUIDELINES SET DOWN BY THIS BOARD OF
COMMISSIONERS. AND I'M NOT GOING -AGAIN, I'M NOT GOING TO TELL YOU IT'S THE
BEST SYSTEM, BUT IT IS A SYSTEM THAT
SEEMS TO BE WORKING FOR US. AND I WOULD
LIKE TO THANK THE PEOPLE THAT HELPED
IMPLEMENT THE SYSTEM, WHICH WAS MR. LOUIS
COLES, DON HERRING, THE CAPTAIN OF OUR
DISTRICT, AND OUR CONSERVATION OFFICERS
MADDOX AND DOSTER. THANK YOU, SIR.
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CHAIRMAN HATLEY: THANK YOU VERY
MUCH, MR. HAYES. WE APPRECIATE THOSE
COMMENTS. NEXT I WOULD LIKE TO CALL ON
MR. DON KNIGHT.
MR. KNIGHT: GOOD MORNING, I'M
DON KNIGHT. I LIVE IN ANNISTON. I'M THE
STATE PRESIDENT OF THE ALABAMA DOGHUNTERS
ASSOCIATION AND ALSO PRESIDENT OF THE 00
BUCK CLUB IN BARBOUR COUNTY. I WOULD
LIKE TO START THIS MORNING BY BRINGING
YOU UP TO DATE ON THE SITUATION I TALKED
TO YOU ABOUT AT THE LAST MEETING ABOUT
THE FOLKS COMING IN ON THE 00 BUCK CLUB
AND TEARING DOWN WHERE WE CUT UP OUR MEAT
AND EVERYTHING, OUR BUILDING.
AT THIS LAND WE ALSO HAD A -- I
THINK I MENTIONED IT TO YOU. WE HAD A
FINE OLD CHURCH, TWO-STEEPLED, WHITE WOOD
CHURCH THAT WAS BUILT IN THE LATE
EIGHTEEN HUNDREDS; NO POWER BACK THERE OR
ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I JUST WANTED TO
BRING YOU UP TO SNUFF THAT THEY CAME BACK
AND BURNED THE CHURCH TO THE GROUND.
THERE'S NOTHING LEFT THERE, ALONG WITH
OUR MEAT COUNTERS.
BUT THE BASIC REASON I BRING THAT
UP IS I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT
WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPENS, WE KNOW
SOME OF THESE PEOPLE ARE STILL HUNTERS.
BUT I'M NOT GOING TO COME DOWN HERE AND
START HARPING ON STILL HUNTERS, BECAUSE
THAT REALLY AIN'T GOT ANYTHING TO DO WITH
IT.
IT'S A BUNCH OF YOUNG FOLKS THAT
WANT TO COME OVER THERE AND PARTY. THEY
THROW THE BEER BOTTLES AND CANS. THEY
SHOOT THEIR GUNS AND ALL THIS KIND OF
STUFF, AND WE CALL THE SHERIFF'S
DEPARTMENT TO THEM. AND THEY RETALIATED
BY BURNING DOWN THIS BEAUTIFUL OLD
CHURCH. WE CAN GET THAT HANDLED.
YOU KNOW, WE COULD HAVE TAKEN A
STAND OF CALLING YOU PEOPLE EVERY DAY AND
BLAMING IT ON SOMEBODY ELSE THAT'S NOT
TRUE. JUST, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THIS
HAPPENS, AND YOU GET SITUATIONS LIKE THAT
WHERE YOU JUST HAVE TO WORK WITH YOUR LAW
ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND ENFORCE
SOMETHING WHEN IT'S GOING WRONG. AND
WE'RE NOT BLAMING ANY HUNTERS. THE MORE
WE KEEP FIGHTING AMONGST THE STILL HUNTER
AND THE LANDOWNERS OR THE DOG HUNTERS,
WE'RE DOING NOTHING BUT DETRIMENT TO THE
HUNTING SITUATION IN THIS STATE.
WE'VE GOT TO GET BACK TO THINKING
WHAT CAN WE DO TO HELP OUR KIDS. WE'VE
GOT TO BRING HUNTING UP. EVERY YEAR IT'S
GOING DOWN, IT'S GOING DOWN THE TUBES.
ONE OF THESE DAYS YOU'RE GOING TO WAKE UP
AND REALIZE THAT THE IN-STATE HUNTER IS
ALMOST OBSOLETE. IT'S ALMOST OBSOLETE.
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STOP AND LOOK AT -- I IMAGINE
CORKY AND THEM HAS GOT THE INFORMATION.
THE HUNTING LICENSE SALES EVERY YEAR
CONTINUE DOWN. OUR YOUTH, WE'RE TRYING
SOME THINGS. BUT WE HAVE TO TRY
EVERYTHING. I JUST TOTALLY BELIEVE,
BECAUSE I SEE IT HAPPEN IN OUR CLUB -- I
TALKED TO THESE FINE GENTLEMEN SPENDING
MONEY TO COME DOWN UP HERE AND SPEAK TO
YOU ABOUT DOG HUNTING.
WE CAN KEEP A LOT OF YOUTH;
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO KEEP THEM ALL. WHAT
WE WANT TO TRY TO DO IS KEEP THE YOUTH
INVOLVED IN HUNTING. AND IF IT TAKES THE
DOGS -- HOW MANY BOY SCOUT OUTFITS HAVE
WE WORKED BEFORE, WHEN THE SITUATION WAS
OVER -- WE GO TO THE CAMPS, AND I TAKE A
FEW DOGS, WE HAVE SOME OTHER FOLKS BRING
DOGS. THOSE KIDS LOVE THOSE DOGS. MOST
OF THE COMMENTS THAT CAME BACK WAS ABOUT
DOGS. THEY LOVED THEM. IT DIDN'T MATTER
IF IT WAS BIRD DOGS, COON DOGS, OR RABBIT
DOGS; THE KIDS JUST LOVE THE DOGS.
NOW, IF THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES TO
GET THESE FOLKS IN HUNTING, PEOPLE, WE
GOT TO DO IT. WE'VE GOT TO SURVIVE
SOMEWAY. WE'VE GOT TO GET A PERMIT
SYSTEM IN ALL THE COUNTIES WE CAN GET IT
IN BECAUSE THERE'S KIDS IN EVERY COUNTY.
IF WE CAN HOLD THEM UNTIL THEY GET
18 YEARS OLD OR 20 YEARS OLD WHERE THEY
CAN MAKE THEIR OWN DECISION, IF THEY WANT
TO GO SIT IN A TREE, WE SUPPORT THEM ONE
THOUSAND PERCENT. THAT'S FINE.
YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE SOMETHING TO
KEEP THESE YOUNG KIDS. THEY'RE USED TO
SITTING IN FRONT OF A TELEVISION PLAYING
A VIDEO GAME, AND THEY JUST DON'T GET A
BIG KICK OUT OF SITTING IN A TREE STAND
FOR TWO OR THREE HOURS WHEN THEY DON'T
SEE ANYTHING. MOST OF THE KIDS IN THIS
STATE, YOU'VE GOT TO REALIZE, THEY'RE NOT
AS FORTUNATE AS YOU OR ME. THEY MAY NOT
HAVE PROPERTY THAT THEY ARE GOING TO SEE
DEER AT EVERY TIME THEY GO OUT THERE.
AND THAT DOG BARKING MAKES A BIG
DIFFERENCE. IT KEEPS THEIR ATTENTION.
WE NEED TO DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO
KEEP THE YOUNG PEOPLE HUNTING. PEOPLE
LIKE MYSELF THAT ARE SENIOR CITIZENS THAT
ARE GETTING ON IN YEARS, IT'S A WAY TO
TAKE THOSE PEOPLE OUT THERE AND PUT THEM
ON A STAND, LET THEM HUNT, PICK THEM UP,
BRING THEM BACK IN, TAKE CARE OF THEIR
DEER FOR THEM. THEY CAN'T HAUL DEER OUT
OF THE WOODS. WE TAKE CARE OF THEIR DEER
FOR THEM. OF COURSE, A LOT OF STILL
HUNTERS DO THE SAME THING. THAT'S
WONDERFUL. WE SUPPORT THAT A HUNDRED
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I JUST WANT TO BRING UP ONE MORE
THING ON BARBOUR COUNTY. SINCE WE'VE GOT
THE ANTLER DEER -- AND I'M GOING TO BE
HONEST WITH YOU ABOUT THIS, I DON'T KNOW
THAT IT'S GOT A THING TO DO WITH IT OTHER
THAN JUST A BAN FOR THE PROPERTY. OUR 00
BUCK CLUB HAS BEEN IN OPERATION FOR
THIRTY-FIVE YEARS NOW. BEEN A LOT OF
PEOPLE HUNTING THAT CLUB IN BARBOUR
COUNTY. WE HAVE TWO MORE YEARS. OUR
LAND IS GOING UP ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS A
YEAR FOR THESE TWO YEARS. THE THIRD YEAR
OUR LEASE IS GOING UP TEN THOUSAND
DOLLARS. WE CAN'T DO IT. OUR CLUB IS
GONE.
OUR PEOPLE THAT HUNT WITH US ARE
JUST NOT THE KIND OF PEOPLE, WE JUST
DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO COME UP WITH
THAT KIND OF MONEY. SO THERE'S A
THIRTY-FIVE-YEAR CLUB THAT'S HAD AS MANY
AS A HUNDRED MEMBERS. AND LAST YEAR WE
WOUND UP WITH FIFTY-FIVE PEOPLE. IN TWO
MORE YEARS, THAT'S FIFTY-FIVE PEOPLE
THAT'S GOT TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE TO HUNT.
THERE AGAIN, WHEN THEY GO
SOMEWHERE ELSE, THAT PUSHES THE DEMAND
FOR THE LAND UP. IT'S JUST A
NEVER-ENDING SITUATION, AND WE NEED TO DO
SOMETHING ABOUT IT. I'M GOING TO ASK YOU
TO TAKE A SERIOUS CONSIDERATION FOR A
STATEWIDE PERMIT SYSTEM THAT WOULD
INVOLVE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU, AND
LET THE DOG HUNTERS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY
TO DEVELOP PEOPLE AND KEEP PEOPLE HUNTING
IN THE STATE OF ALABAMA. AND I THANK
YOU.
CHAIRMAN HATLEY:

THANK YOU, DON.

(APPLAUSE)
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: ANYONE HAVE ANY
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR MR. KNIGHT? IF
NOT, THANK YOU.
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: OUR NEXT,
MR. DON NELSON.
MR. NELSON: GOOD MORNING,
MR. CHAIRMAN AND BOARD MEMBERS. I'M
MAYOR DON NELSON FROM CREOLA, ALABAMA.
AND I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF BIG RACK
HUNTING CLUB AND STOCK TALL GAP HUNTING
CLUB AND JENSON STENSON (INAUDIBLE)
LOCATED IN WEST BUTLER COUNTY.
I WAS RAISED UP IN CREOLA UP IN
BUTLER COUNTY. THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN
THERE, MR. DON SUTTON, USED TO START
TAKING US KIDS WHEN WE WERE YOUNG UP TO
BUTLER COUNTY HUNTING. MY DAD DIED WHEN
I WAS THIRTEEN, AND I GREW UP LEARNING TO
HUNT FROM THAT GENTLEMAN RIGHT YONDER
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I UNDERSTAND THERE WAS MAYBE A
CONCERN ABOUT HUNTING THAT PART OF THE
AREA RIGHT YONDER. BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE
TO DO IS TO ASSURE YOU THAT DOG HUNTERS
IN THAT PART OF BUTLER COUNTY REALLY
RESPECT AND WORK WITH THEIR LOCAL PEOPLE
IN TRYING TO FOSTER THAT RELATIONSHIP.
AND IT'S A FAMILY-TYPE ENVIRONMENT WHERE
WE HUNT AT.
I APPRECIATE MR. FINCHER'S
COMMENTS AND MR. KNIGHT'S COMMENTS THIS
MORNING. MR. DON SUTTON AND MR. JAMES
IVEY, THEY ARE MATURE GENTLEMEN RIGHT
YONDER. AND THAT'S -- OUR CLUB IS A LOT
OF OLDER, MATURE -- I'M ONE OF THE
YOUNGER GUYS IN OUR CLUB RIGHT NOW. I
GREW UP WITH THOSE GENTLEMEN. WE WANT TO
RUN A GOOD CLUB, AND WE DO RUN A GOOD
CLUB.
WE WANT TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE
QUICK SCENARIO ABOUT THE WAY OUR ROUTINE
ON OUR OPENING MORNING RUNS RIGHT THERE.
WE ALWAYS START OFF WITH A PRAYER THAT
MORNING. WE HAVE A LOT OF CHILDREN AND
FAMILIES AND WIVES THAT GOT THROUGH A
SAFETY BRIEFING.
MY OTHER OCCUPATION WHEN I'M NOT
BEING THE MAYOR IN OUR LITTLE TOWN OF TWO
THOUSAND THAT IS LOCATED JUST NORTH OF
HERE, I'M A SAFETY PROFESSIONAL FOR
ALABAMA POWER COMPANY. SO SAFETY IS REAL
NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART, AND MAKING
SURE EVERYBODY IS SAFE. WE'VE NEVER HAD
A HUNTING ACCIDENT AT OUR CLUB, AND WE'RE
PROUD OF THAT.
MR. FINCHER AND HIS COMMENTS,
HE'S HUNTED WITH US BEFORE. HE'S A VERY
GOOD MAN, AND HE KNOWS US VERY WELL
THERE. AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S ABOUT RIGHT
YONDER. AFTER WE HUNT THAT DAY -- WE DO
TWO OR THREE HUNTS -- WE HAVE A COOKOUT
FOR ALL THE FAMILY MEMBERS AND PEOPLE
THERE. WE ALSO DO THAT AT THE CONCLUSION
OF OUR HUNTING SEASON. AND THAT'S VERY
PARAMOUNT, AS TO FOSTER THAT FAMILY
ENVIRONMENT. THAT'S WHAT WE STRESS IS
SAFETY RIGHT YONDER.
I KNOW WE HAVE NEIGHBORS. I
DON'T KNOW THE GENTLEMAN THAT RAISED THAT
CONCERN IN MONTGOMERY, AND I'M SURE HE'S
A GOOD MAN. AND IF HE HAS A CONCERN WITH
OUR CLUB, THEN WE'RE WILLING TO SIT DOWN
AND TALK.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE DO AT OUR
CLUB IS WE HAVE OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE WEST
OF US, WHICH IS THE RIFLEMAN HUNTING
CLUB, MR. BILLY COCHRAN, WHICH IS LOCATED
SOUTH OF HIGHWAY 10 THERE WHERE MY
BROTHER HUNTS WITH THREE OR FOUR
GENTLEMEN I WORK WITH AT ALABAMA POWER.
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WE GO OVER ON A WEEKLY BASIS, AND WE'LL
HAVE SUPPER WITH THEM AND TALK TO THEM TO
MAKE SURE WE HAVE NO ISSUES OF CONCERN.
AND HE LETS US COME ON THEIR PROPERTY
AND SAID, YOU COME ON OUR PROPERTY,
MR. SUTTON, DON, Y'ALL COME OVER THERE
ANYTIME AND GO GET YOUR DOGS. AND WE DO
THAT.
MR. MIKE MIZZER FROM BLUFF RUN
HUNTING CAMP, WHO IS LOCATED ABOUT TWO
HUNDRED YARDS FROM OUR MAIN HUNTING CAMP
THERE, WE'VE TALKED TO HIM -- AND HE'S
LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE. AND WE'VE
TALKED TO HIM TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO
PROBLEM WITH ANY ISSUES THAT WE HAVE WITH
THE GENTLEMEN RIGHT YONDER.
WE FOSTER THAT RELATIONSHIP. AND
THESE TWO CLUBS PROBABLY HAVE A LITTLE
OVER SIX THOUSAND ACRES. AND OUR DOGS
HISTORICALLY GO WEST AND NORTH TO THEIR
PROPERTIES. AND THEY KNOW THAT, AND WE
WORK WITH THEM TO GO GET -- THEY HAVE TO
BRING OUR DOGS BACK, THEY CALL US.
THREE YEARS AGO WE INSTITUTED A
TRACKING SYSTEM. IT'S THE BEST THING WE
EVER DID. IT HELPS THE LANDOWNER AND
HELPS TO MAKE SURE WE RETRIEVE OUR DOGS
PROPERLY.
WORKING WITH OUR LOCAL GAME
WARDEN, WE HAD TWO SITUATIONS LAST YEAR
WHERE WE HAD INTERACTIONS WITH THEM,
POSITIVE INTERACTION WHERE WE WAS HUNTING
ON SOME OF OUR LEASED LAND. AN
ACQUAINTANCE OF MINE, DR. ROBERT HARLEY
WHO LIVES IN MOBILE, THEY CAME UP AND
THE GAME WARDENS COME OUT AND TALKED TO
OUR PEOPLE. THEY CHECKED OUR PEOPLE.
AND IT'S GREAT, EVERYBODY IS IN THE
PROPER PLACE ON THE PROPER LOCATION.
THEY WERE VERY COMPLIMENTARY ON THAT
OCCASION.
SECOND OCCASION WHERE WE HAD
INTERACTION WITH THE LOCAL LAW
ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, THEY WERE GOING
ACROSS AND TRAVERSING OUR PROPERTY, GOING
TO CHECK SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS ON THE
EAST SIDE. THEY WERE IN VIOLATION, I
THINK IT'S THE SECOND YEAR. THEY WERE
NOT A DOG HUNTING CLUB, BUT THEY WERE IN
VIOLATION FOR A SECOND YEAR IN A ROW.
THAT'S THEIR BUSINESS, BUT THEY WENT
ACROSS OUR PROPERTY AND TALKED TO OUR
HUNTERS, EVERYBODY WAS DOING EXACTLY WHAT
THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO. AND THEY WERE
COMPLIMENTARY.
AND AFTER THEY MADE THE COMMENT
LAST YEAR, THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST YEARS
THEY'VE EVER HAD IN DEALING WITH OUR
PEOPLE. AND WE DON'T TOLERATE ANY TYPE
OF PEOPLE DOING ANYTHING IMPROPER. ONE
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OF THE "DO'S AND DON'TS," WE DO THAT
OPENING MORNING, WE SAY, YOU DO THIS, YOU
DO THIS, YOU DO THIS; YOU DON'T DO THESE
TYPE THINGS HERE. WE DON'T TOLERATE IT.
BUT IF YOU DO, WE'LL ASK YOU TO LEAVE OUR
HUNTING CLUB.
WE'VE BEEN OUT THERE FOR
FORTY-PLUS YEARS. WE'RE THE OLDEST
HUNTING CLUB IN BUTLER COUNTY. WE KNOW
IT'S A PRIVILEGE THAT YOU ALLOW US TO DOG
HUNT. WE WANT TO CONTINUE IT FOR OUR
CHILDREN, OUR FAMILIES, AND THE FUTURE,
AND CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
I HAD A GOOD CONVERSATION WITH
MR. COLES. I SENT HIM A LETTER, AND I
APPRECIATE HIM AND TALKING WITH HIM. WE
WANT TO WORK TOGETHER WITH PEOPLE. YOU
UNDERSTAND THAT. I UNDERSTAND THAT, AS A
MAYOR, THAT YOU HAVE TO DEAL AND WORK
WITH PEOPLE. AND I KNOW THERE'S TWO
SIDES TO ANY STORY. AND IF THERE'S
ANYTHING WE CAN ALWAYS DO TO ASSIST THAT
PART OF THE COUNTY, WE STAND WILLING TO
WORK WITH ANYBODY.
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: THANK YOU
MR. NELSON. WE SURE APPRECIATE THAT.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. NELSON OR COMMENTS?
THERE BEING NONE, WE THANK YOU,
MR. NELSON.
MR. NELSON: ALL RIGHT. THANK
YOU.
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: OUR FINAL
SPEAKER, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL ON MR. PAUL
JEFFREYS.
MR. JEFFREYS: GOOD MORNING,
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. MY NAME IS PAUL
JEFFREYS. I'M FROM LAMAR COUNTY. I
REPRESENT THE ASLC, ALABAMA SPORTSMAN AND
LANDOWNERS CONFERENCE. I'D JUST LIKE TO
COME BEFORE Y'ALL TODAY AND THANK YOU FOR
THE BAN IN NORTHWEST ALABAMA ON DOG DEER
HUNTING. IT HAS IMPROVED THE WAY OF LIFE
AND LIFESTYLE OF THE CIVILIANS IN THAT
AREA.
I WOULD ASK THAT YOU MAINTAIN
THAT BAN IN THAT AREA, AND MAINTAIN IT
BECAUSE IT HAS HELPED. THE LANDOWNERS
AGREE THAT IT HAS IMPROVED THE HUNTING
AND WAY OF LIFE. THANK Y'ALL.
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: THANK YOU,
MR. JEFFREYS. ONE COMMENT, GENTLEMEN,
FOR EVERYONE. EACH GENTLEMAN THAT'S ON
THIS BOARD IS DEDICATED TO WORK WITH HIS
DISTRICT AND THE PEOPLE THAT HE
REPRESENTS. SO DON'T HESITATE TO CALL
UPON ANY OF US AT ANY TIME TO TRY TO WORK
OUT SITUATIONS THAT MAY ARISE IN YOUR
PARTICULAR CLUB OR WITH PARTICULAR
LANDOWNERS.
WE'RE HERE TO SERVE YOU, AND I
PROMISE EACH ONE OF YOU WE'LL MAKE EVERY
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EFFORT TOWARD THAT END TO RESOLVE ANY


PROBLEMS THAT YOU HAVE. I APPRECIATE ALL
OF YOU COMING TO MAKE THESE COMMENTS.
I THINK -- MR. COMMISSIONER, WHAT
DO YOU SUPPOSE? WE KEEP GOING?
NORMALLY, AT THIS TIME WE WOULD TAKE OUR
BREAK. BUT DUE TO THE FACT WE HAD SO FEW
SPEAKERS THIS MORNING, I THINK WE'LL MOVE
RIGHT ALONG WITH THE AGENDA. AND IF YOU
FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE TO TAKE A BREAK, DO IT
ON YOUR OWN AND AT YOUR DISCRETION.
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REPORTS BY DISTRICT AND
SUB-COMMITTEE REPORTS
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CHAIRMAN HATLEY: AT THIS TIME I
WOULD LIKE TO START WITH MR. COLES AND
SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR REPORTS
FROM DISTRICT.
MR. COLES: THANK YOU,
MR. CHAIRMAN. IT'S BEEN A RELATIVELY
QUIET SPRING AS FAR AS ACTIVITIES IN MY
DISTRICT. I DID MEET WITH ONE GROUP OF
LANDOWNERS. I MET WITH CAPTAIN HERRING
ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS, THE DISTRICT
SUPERVISOR, ABOUT SOME COMPLAINTS THAT HE
HAD RECEIVED. BUT OTHER THAN THAT,
MR. CHAIRMAN, IT'S BEEN A RELATIVELY
QUIET SPRING.
I WOULD ECHO YOUR COMMENTS ON ANY
CONCERNS WITHIN MY DISTRICT. I'LL BE
GLAD TO MEET WITH ANY GROUP. I THINK
THAT MY PAST RECORD HAS PROVEN THAT THAT
BE THE CASE. I'M NOT AFRAID TO GET IN MY
TRUCK AND GO MEET WITH ANYBODY AT ANY
TIME ABOUT CONSERVATION ISSUES.
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: THANK YOU,
MR. COLES. MR. JOHNSON?
MR. JOHNSON: I THINK IN MY
DISTRICT, DISTRICT SEVEN, HAS BEEN FAIRLY
QUIET SINCE OUR LAST MEETING. WE HAVE
CONTINUED TO MEET WITH SOME OF THE
LANDOWNERS AND ALSO SOME OF THE DOG DEER
HUNTING CLUBS THAT ARE IN THAT AREA AND
VISIT WITH THEM AND OTHERS ON AN
INDIVIDUAL BASIS OUT THERE, AS THEY ARE
FEELING TOWARD THE SITUATION, AND
ESPECIALLY IN TUSCALOOSA COUNTY.
IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE. AND
IF I CAN BE OF ANY HELP TO ANY OF YOU,
PLEASE HOLLER.
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: THANK YOU
MR. JOHNSON. MR. HARBIN?
MR. HARBIN: DISTRICT FOUR HAS
BEEN RELATIVELY QUIET. THE ONLY CONTACT
I'VE HAD HAS BEEN WITH CAPTAIN JOHNNY
JOHNSON, DISTRICT TWO SUPERVISOR, AND
SOME OF THE LANDOWNERS. AND THEY'RE WELL
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PLEASED WITH THE RESULTS OF THE
RESTRICTIONS.
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: THANK YOU.
MR. LYNCH?
MR. LYNCH: DISTRICT THREE HAS
BEEN RELATIVELY QUIET, AND I DON'T HAVE
ANYTHING SPECIAL TO REPORT AT THIS TIME.
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: THANK YOU, SIR.
DR. MAY?
DR. MAY: BEING FROM DISTRICT
SEVEN, I HAVE NOTHING TO ADD TO WHAT
MR. JOHNNY JOHNSON SAID. I WILL SECOND
WHAT HE SAID, THAT ANYTIME YOU HAVE ANY
PROBLEMS IN OUR DISTRICT, PLEASE CONTACT
US. WE'LL BE GLAD TO DO WHAT WE CAN.
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: MR. SELF?
MR. SELF: MR. CHAIRMAN, MY
REPORT CONSISTS MAINLY OF COMMENTS AND
CONCERNS I'VE RECEIVED ABOUT THE PROPOSED
LNG TERMINAL TO GO SOUTH OF DAUPHIN
ISLAND. AND I HAVE A RESOLUTION THAT I
INTEND TO ASK THE BOARD TO VOTE ON, AND
I'LL DO THAT LATER ON IN THIS MEETING.
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: THANK YOU VERY
MUCH.
**********************
OLD BUSINESS
**********************
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: AT THIS TIME I
WOULD LIKE TO REFER TO THE OLD BUSINESS
ON OUR AGENDA. AND FIRST ORDER IS MARINE
POLICE. AND IF EACH BOARD MEMBER WILL
LOOK AT YOUR AGENDA, YOU WILL SEE THAT
THE FIVE ITEMS ON THERE, WE DISCUSS THESE
AND APPROVED THESE -- VOTED ON THESE AT
THE LAST MEETING. AND MAJOR KELLEY, DO
YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR ANYTHING THAT
YOU WOULD LIKE TO STATE ON THIS?
MAJOR KELLEY: NO, SIR, NOT AT
THIS TIME. WE WOULD BE GLAD TO ANSWER
ANY QUESTIONS IF ANYBODY HAS ANY FOR US.
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: ANY QUESTIONS
OF MAJOR KELLEY OR THIS DEPARTMENT AT
THIS TIME REGARDING ANY OF THESE FIVE
ISSUES? IF NOT, THE CHAIR WOULD NORMALLY
WAIT ON A MOTION ON THAT. WE'VE ALREADY
VOTED ON THESE, SO WE WILL VOTE ON ALL
THE REGULATIONS AT A LATER TIME. THANK
YOU, MAJOR KELLEY.
SECONDLY, I WOULD LIKE TO GO TO
WILDLIFE AND FRESHWATER FISHERIES. ON
YOUR AGENDA YOU SEE WE HAVE THREE ITEMS,
TWO OF WHICH WE VOTED AT THE LAST MEETING
TO APPROVE, ONE BEING TURTLE REGULATION,
AND THE THIRD BEING ALLIGATOR
REGULATIONS.
THE ONLY THING WE HAVE NOT
DISCUSSED OUT OF THE THREE ITEMS THERE IS
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THE PROPOSED DOVE SEASON CHANGES THAT
DR. MAY HAS BROUGHT UP AND WE DISCUSSED,
AND HE HAS FURTHER DISCUSSED THAT WITH
CORKY AND WITH GARY. DR. MAY, DO YOU
HAVE ANY COMMENTS AT THIS TIME?
DR. MAY: I HAVE NO FURTHER
COMMENTS OTHER THAN I WOULD JUST LIKE TO
HAVE THIS MOTION VOTED ON TODAY.
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: DO YOU HAVE
THAT MOTION?
DR. MAY: THE MOTION THAT I MADE
THEN AND I WOULD LIKE TO RE-PROPOSE IS
THE MOURNING DOVE SEASON FOR '06-'07 FOR
THE NORTH ZONE: FIFTEEN A DAY, FIFTEEN
IN POSSESSION FOR A SIXTY-DAY SEASON, THE
FIRST SEASON BEING FROM SEPTEMBER THE
SIXTEENTH THROUGH OCTOBER THE 7TH, WHICH
IS TWENTY-TWO DAYS; THE SECOND SEASON IS
NOVEMBER THE 4TH THROUGH NOVEMBER THE
18TH, WHICH IS FIFTEEN DAYS; THE THIRD
SEASON IS DECEMBER THE 16TH THROUGH
JANUARY THE 7, WHICH IS
TWENTY-THREE DAYS; WHICH GIVES YOU A
TOTAL OF SIXTY DAYS.
THIS MOTION, I MADE IT ORIGINALLY
BECAUSE OF A REQUEST FROM AN IN-STATE
DOVE HUNTERS WHO HAD COMPLAINED THAT
EARLY SEASON IS HOT, KIDS JUST GET
IRRITABLE THEY CARRY HUNTING, THEY WANT
TO GET HOME, DOGS GET HOT, AND BIRDS
SPOIL IF YOU DON'T HAVE ICE CHESTS TO PUT
THEM IN. SO BASICALLY, ALL WE'RE DOING
IS SETTING THEM BACK SEVEN DAYS IN THE
FIRST SEASON AND ADDING THEM ON TO THE
LAST OF THE SEASON.
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: DR. MAY HAS
MADE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT
MOTION?
MR. JOHNSON: MR. CHAIRMAN, I
SECOND.
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: SECOND BY
MR. JOHNSON. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION TO
THAT MOTION?
DR. SMITH: DOES THIS FALL WITHIN
THE REGULATIONS OF THE MIGRATORY SPECIES,
THE FEDS REGULATION?
MR. PUGH: YES, SIR.
DR. SMITH: DOES THIS FALL WITHIN
THOSE REGULATIONS?
MR. MOODY: (NODDING HEAD.)
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: ARE THERE ANY
OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTION? IF NOT, ALL
IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SHALL SIGNIFY BY
RAISING YOUR RIGHT HAND.
(ALL BOARD MEMBERS SIGNIFY.)
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: MOTION CARRIES.
THANK YOU.
MR. LYNCH: MR. HATLEY?
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: YES.
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MR. LYNCH: I WAS GOING TO TRY AN
ASK A QUESTION EARLIER ABOUT GILL NETS.
DO WE DO THAT LATER, OR CAN I ASK IT NOW?
CHAIRMAN HATLEY:

NOW WILL BE

FINE.
MR. LYNCH: Y'ALL RESPONDED FIRST
ON THE NUMBER OF PERMITS ISSUED, ONLY
NINE OF THOSE PERMITS WERE ISSUED TO
OUT-OF-STATE COMPANIES?
MR. JENKINS: INDIVIDUALS.
MR. LYNCH: BUT AN INDIVIDUAL
FROM ALABAMA CAN GET A PERMIT AND GO ON A
VESSEL, AND THE PERMIT TRANSFERS TO THAT
VESSEL?
MR. JENKINS: NOT EXACTLY. THE
PERMIT ALWAYS STAYS WITH THE INDIVIDUAL,
AND HE HAS A PLACARD AND HIS PERMIT, AND
HE CAN GO ON ANY VESSEL AND USE IT. SO
WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS NOW IS THERE ARE
SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT WILL GO TO FLORIDA
RESIDENCES AND SEE THEIR BOATS, BUT IT
WILL ACTUALLY STILL BE AN ALABAMA PERMIT
THAT WILL BE USED.
MR. LYNCH: DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY
IDEA ON THE CATCH OFF THESE GILL NETS,
HOW MUCH OF THAT CATCH IS ACTUALLY SOLD
AND PROCESSED IN THE STATE OF ALABAMA
VERSUS CARRIED OUTSIDE THE STATE AND SOLD
ELSEWHERE?
MR. JENKINS: YOU WILL ALL HAVE
TO BE REPORTED OR LANDED HERE. NOW, HOW
MUCH GOES OUT OF STATE AFTER IT'S SOLD,
I'M NOT SURE.
MR. HEATH: YEAH. WE DON'T HAVE
ANY WAY TO TRACK THAT TRANSPORT. ONCE
IT'S LANDED, IT'S RECORDED AS AN ALABAMA
LANDING. HOW MUCH OF IT TRAVELS OUT THE
SECOND POINT OF SALE, WE DON'T HAVE.
MR. LYNCH: WHAT'S THE TERM FOR
THE FISH THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO CATCH?
IS THAT A BY-CATCH? IS THAT THE RIGHT
TERM?
MR. HEATH: RIGHT.
MR. LYNCH: OF THE FISH THAT THEY
ACTUALLY CATCH IN A GIVEN SETTING OF THE
NETS, WHAT PERCENTAGE IS A QUARRY THEY'RE
AFTER AND WHAT PERCENT DOES BY-CATCH MAKE
UP, OTHER FISHES?
MR. JENKINS: THEY DO A PRETTY
GOOD JOB OF TARGETING THE SPECIES THEY'RE
TRYING TO CATCH AT ANY ONE TIME. MOST OF
THE TIME I WOULD SAY THAT YOUR BY-CATCH
IS LESS THAN TEN PERCENT, OR SOMETHING
ALONG THAT LINE. LIKE WITH OUR SHARKS,
THERE'S A ALLOWABLE TEN PERCENT BY-CATCH
OF THE SHARKS. IT'S A USUALLY A STANDARD
USED FEDERALLY AND IN MOST STATES OF
BY-CATCH, ALLOWABLE BY-CATCH, ON A LOT OF
STUFF.
MR. LYNCH: OKAY. THANK YOU
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MR. HATLEY.
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: THANK YOU
MR. LYNCH.
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NEW BUSINESS
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CHAIRMAN HATLEY: ALL RIGHT. WE
MOVE INTO NEW BUSINESS, AND THIS APPLIES
TO THE MARINE POLICE DIVISION. AND THEY
HAVE TWO REGULATIONS, ONE OF WHICH WE
HAVE ALREADY VOTED ON AND APPROVED. THE
SECOND IS REGULATION FOR CONTROLLING
NOISE LEVEL OF THE INLAND WATERS. AND
MAJOR KELLEY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COMMENT
ON THAT PLEASE? GO AHEAD, MR. KELLEY.
MAJOR KELLEY: THIS IS NOT A NEW
REGULATION. IT'S JUST MODIFYING AN OLD
REGULATION. WHAT THIS WILL DO IS
ESTABLISH THE METHOD FOR OUR OFFICERS TO
MEASURE THE DECIBEL LIMIT ON VESSELS ON
THE LAKES.
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: ANY QUESTIONS
OF MAJOR KELLEY IN REFERENCE TO THIS
ISSUE? THERE BEING DONE NONE, THE CHAIR
RECOGNIZES MR. SELF.
MR. SELF: REGARDING THE
REGULATION FOR PERMIT FOR BOATS, WITH THE
THREE FRESHWATER LAKES IN NORTH ALABAMA,
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE
THE DEVELOPMENT AND IMPLEMENTATION OF A
REGULATION REQUIRED BY LAW BY AN ACT
NUMBER 2006-398.
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: IS THERE A
SECOND TO THAT MOTION?
MR. HARBIN: I SECOND.
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: SECOND BY
MR. HARBIN. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY
RAISING THE RIGHT HAND.
(ALL BOARD MEMBERS SIGNIFY.)
ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION CARRIES.
THE REGULATION IS HEREBY ADOPTED.
NUMBER TWO, MR. SELF, DO YOU HAVE
A MOTION THERE?
MR. SELF: YES, I DO.
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: IT SHOULD
PERTAIN TO THE OTHER REGULATIONS.
MR. SELF: AT THIS TIME I WOULD
LIKE TO INTRODUCE A RESOLUTION.
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: SO RECOGNIZED.
MR. SELF: THIS RESOLUTION IS TO
DEAL WITH THE OPEN LOOP LNG TECHNOLOGY
THAT MOST EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM IS
FAMILIAR WITH THAT READS THE LOCAL
NEWSPAPERS OR WATCHES TV, UNDERSTANDS
THAT THERE'S A PUSH FOR THAT
CONOCOPHILLIPS TO BUILD THE LNG TERMINAL
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JUST SOUTH OF DAUPHIN ISLAND.
THERE'S A GREAT DEAL OF CONCERN
OF WHAT KIND OF IMPACT IT'S GOING TO HAVE
ON MARINE FISHERIES. SO HAVING SAID
THAT, I'LL READ THIS RESOLUTION AND PASS
IT OUT TO THOSE WHO MIGHT BE CONCERNED.
"WHEREAS THE CONSERVATION
ADVISORY BOARD OF THE STATE OF ALABAMA
RECOMMENDS THAT ALABAMA GOVERNOR BOB
RILEY DENY THE USE OF OPEN RACK
VAPORIZATION TECHNOLOGY FOR A LIQUIFIED
NATURAL GAS TERMINAL PROPOSED BY
CONOCOPHILLIPS ELEVEN MILES SOUTH OF
DAUPHIN ISLAND.
"AND WHEREAS THE ADVISORY BOARD
REJECTS ASSERTIONS THAT THE IMPACT OF
OPEN LOOP TERMINALS ON MARINE LIFE WOULD
BE MINIMAL. NO SCIENCE HAS BEEN PRODUCED
TO DEMONSTRATE MINIMAL IMPACTS OF
ORGANISMS AT ALL LEVELS OF THE MARINE
ECOSYSTEM FROM PLANKTON TO PREDATORS. NO
ONE KNOWS WHAT THE TRUE IMPACT WILL BE,
BECAUSE NO ONE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT IS
FLOATING IN THE OCEAN AT ALL DEPTHS AT
ALL TIMES OF THE YEAR. THE EFFECTS OF
CHILLING AND CHLORINATING MILLIONS OF
GALLONS OF SEA WATER EVERY SINGLE DAY
COULD BE PROFOUND AND FAR-REACHING.
"AND WHEREAS THE ADVISORY BOARD
OPPOSES THE USE OF OPEN LOOP TECHNOLOGY
WHEN THERE ARE REASONABLE ALTERNATIVES
AVAILABLE, SUCH AS CLOSED LOOP SYSTEMS
THAT WILL DO FAR LESS DAMAGE TO THE
MARINE ENVIRONMENT. THE ADVISORY BOARD
ACKNOWLEDGES AND APPRECIATES THE NEED TO
SUPPLY MUCH NEEDED ENERGY TO THE COUNTRY,
BUT IT IS ALSO AWARE IT DOES NOT REQUIRE
THE RISK OF UNKNOWN DAMAGE TO POPULATIONS
OF MARINE SPECIES WHEN THERE ARE OTHER
VIABLE TECHNOLOGIES THAT CAN BALANCE
THOSE NEEDS WITH THE RESPONSIBILITY TO
PROTECT THE MARINE ECOSYSTEM AS FULLY AS
POSSIBLE.
"AND WHEREAS THE ADVISORY BOARD
ECHOES THE CONCERNS OUTLINED BY THE
NATIONAL MARINE FISHERY SERVICE, THE GULF
STATES MARINE FISHERIES COMMISSION, AND
GULF OF MEXICO FISHERY MANAGEMENT
COUNCIL, AND THE COASTAL CONSERVATION
ASSOCIATION, AMONG OTHERS, INCLUDING A
NUMBER OF STATE AGENCIES IN REJECTING THE
USE OF OPEN LOOP TECHNOLOGY.
"AND THEREFORE, THE ADVISORY
BOARD URGES GOVERNOR RILEY TO VETO OPEN
LOOP TECHNOLOGY PROPOSED BY
CONOCOPHILLIPS FOR THE COMPASS PORT
TERMINAL OFF OF ALABAMA'S COAST."
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: MR. SELF, ARE
YOU MAKING A MOTION WE ADOPT THIS
RESOLUTION?
MR. SELF: YES.
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MR. LYNCH: SECOND.
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: SECOND BY
MR. LYNCH. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF
MR. SELF AS IT MIGHT PERTAIN TO THIS
RESOLUTION?
MR. COLES: I WOULD LIKE TO
COMMEND MR. SELF AND YOURSELF ON WORKING
IN THIS ENDEAVOR, AND I FULLY SUPPORT THE
RESOLUTION. YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY HAS GOT
TO BE THE WATCHDOG AND LOOK AFTER OUR
NATURAL RESOURCES, AND I APPRECIATE
MR. SELF AND YOURSELF HELPING US.
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: IT'S A GREAT
CONCERN, I PROMISE YOU. MR. SELF AND I
BOTH HAVE BEEN INUNDATED WITH CALLS AND
LETTERS IN REFERENCE TO THIS. AND I
COMMEND MR. SELF ON THE EFFORT THAT HE
HAS PUT FORTH ON THIS ISSUE.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
CALL ALL IN FAVOR -DR. SMITH: EXCUSE ME. I HAVE A
QUESTION. LET ME ASK YOU, ANYBODY IN THE
DEPARTMENT, IS THERE ANY PROS AND CONS?
IS THERE SCIENCE OF ANY KIND THAT WE LOOK
AT THAT HAS SPECIFICS THAT WE NEED TO
LOOK AT?
COMMISSIONER LAWLEY: THERE IS
NONE. THAT'S THE WHOLE PROBLEM: THERE
IS NO SCIENCE.
DR. SMITH: THERE IS NONE.
COMMISSIONER LAWLEY: BASICALLY,
WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO IS PUMP AROUND A
HUNDRED AND FIFTY TO SIXTY MILLION
GALLONS OF GULF WATER THROUGH THIS
VAPORIZATION UNIT THAT WILL THAW FROZEN
NATURAL GAS AND PUT IT INTO THE GASEOUS
STATE. THE WATER GOES BACK INTO THE
GULF, LIKE ROSS SAID, AND ABOUT FIFTEEN
DEGREES COOLER AND MIXED WITH CHLORINE.
WELL, THEY HAVE SAID THEY HAD
CHANGED THE PROCESS NOW, THAT THEY ARE
NOT USING CHLORINATION, WHICH WOULD
AUTOMATICALLY KILL YOUR PLANKTON, WHICH
IS THE LOWEST FORM OF THE FOOD CHAIN AS
WELL AS ONE OF THE THE MAJOR CREATORS OF
THE OXYGEN THAT WE BREATHE. GEORGE
KROGER AT DAUPHIN ISLAND SEA LAB HAS BEEN
TRYING TO DEVELOP BASELINE STUDY TO SEE
WHAT WE HAVE OUT THERE. HE'S BEEN
WORKING ON IT ABOUT YEAR AND A HALF AT
THE EXPENSE OF CONOCOPHILLIPS.
BUT GEORGE, AS WELL AS THEIR
EXPERTS, AS WELL AS (INAUDIBLE), AS WELL
AS MARINE FISHERIES SAYS IT NEEDS TO BE
AT LEAST A FIVE-YEAR PLAN TO DEVELOP ANY
KIND OF BASELINE. WHAT WE'RE AFRAID OF
IS THE UNKNOWN. YOU KNOW, IF IT DOES
CAUSE DAMAGE, YOU KNOW, IT COULD TAKE
DECADES TO REPLACE THAT DAMAGE DONE BY
THE TIME THAT YOU REALIZE IT.
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SO, YOU KNOW, UNTIL THE BASELINE
CAN BE ESTABLISHED AND A MEASURING POINT
CAN BE MADE, WE'RE TAKING THE POSITION
THAT IT NEEDS TO BE CLOSED LOOP. NOW, IF
THEY WOULD DO A CLOSED LOOP, LET THESE
DIFFERENT GROUPS DEVELOP A BASELINE STUDY
TO SEE WHAT YOU HAVE, TRY OPEN LOOP; IF
IT DOES NO DAMAGE, THAT'S FINE.
BUT RIGHT NOW, YOU DON'T EVEN
HAVE A MEASURING STICK. AND THIS WOULD
BE THE FIRST PLANT OF ITS KIND IN THE
WORLD, AND I JUST REALLY DON'T WANT TO BE
THE GUINEA PIG IN THIS AREA.
DR. SMITH: THANK YOU.
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: DR. SMITH, DOES
THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?
DR. SMITH: YES, THANK YOU.
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: WE HAVE A
MOTION AND A SECOND. IS THERE ANY
FURTHER DISCUSSION? ANY FURTHER
QUESTIONS? IF NOT, ALL IN FAVOR OF SAID
RESOLUTION RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
(ALL BOARD MEMBERS SIGNIFY.)
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES. THE RESOLUTION IS
ADOPTED BY THIS BOARD TO PRESENT TO THE
GOVERNOR.
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SELECTION OF DATE AND
LOCATION OF FEBRUARY
2007 ADVISORY BOARD
MEETING
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CHAIRMAN HATLEY:

AT THIS TIME,

WE TYPICALLY HAVE THE DATE SET FOR THE


NEXT MEETING. AND IT IS TENTATIVELY SET
FOR FEBRUARY 3RD, 2007, AT GUNTERSVILLE
STATE PARK. AND AGAIN, I SAID THAT IS
TENTATIVELY, BECAUSE LAST YEAR WE GOT
INTO SOME BAD WEATHER SITUATIONS AND WE
DON'T WANT TO CUT SHORT OUR MEETING
BECAUSE OF THE WEATHER.
AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO CALL
ON MR. ROSS SELF FOR A MOTION.
MR. SELF: MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD
LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ALL THE
DEPARTMENT REGULATIONS SINCE THE LAST
ADVISORY BOARD MEETING.
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: WE HAVE A
MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
MR. JOHNSON: SECOND.
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: SECOND BY
MR. JOHNSON.
ONE COMMENT BEFORE WE VOTE. THIS
DOES ENCOMPASS ALL THE REGULATIONS
PRESENTED BY THE MARINE POLICE AND OTHER
DEPARTMENTS, WILDLIFE AND FISHERIES. ALL
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HAND.
(ALL BOARD MEMBERS SIGNIFY.)
CHAIRMAN HATLEY: NONE OPPOSED.
MOTION CARRIES; ALL ARE ADOPTED.
THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS
TO COME BEFORE THIS BODY, I DECLARE US
ADJOURNED. THANK YOU.
END OF MEETING
9:52 A.M.

C E R T I F I C A T E
STATE OF ALABAMA)
JEFFERSON COUNTY)
I, JAMIE BURNETT, COURT REPORTER,
DO HEREBY CERTIFY THAT I RECORDED, BY
MEANS OF STENOTYPE, THE FOREGOING
PROCEEDINGS AT THE TIME AND PLACE STATED
IN THE CAPTION HEREOF. THAT LATER, UNDER
MY SUPERVISION, THE PROCEEDINGS WERE
TRANSCRIBED BY MEANS OF COMPUTER-AIDED
TRANSCRIPTION, AND THE FOREGOING
REPRESENTS A FULL, TRUE, AND CORRECT
TRANSCRIPT OF THE PROCEEDINGS ON SAID
OCCASION.
I FURTHER CERTIFY THAT I AM
NEITHER OF COUNSEL NOR OF KIN TO ANY
PARTIES OF SAID CAUSE, NOR AM I IN ANY
MANNER INTERESTED IN THE RESULT THEREOF.
JAMIE BURNETT, COURT REPORTER

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