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ROSWELL PROOF
What really happened
New! Nov. 2004
Gen. Wesley Clark
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Telegram held in General Ramey's hand

provides smoking gun proof of a "disk" crash
and the recovery of "the victims of the wreck"
Copyright 2001 by David Rudiak

Actual 1947 Roswell ABC News radio bulletin

Roswell Case
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The Public "Roswell Incident"

On July 8, 1947 at 5:26 EDT, an Associated
Press news wire announced that Roswell Army
Air Field had reported recovering a "flying disk"
from a nearby rancher's property, first found
"sometime last week," and that it was being
flown to "higher headquarters." The curious base
press release triggered a national press feeding
frenzy.
Later "higher headquarters" was announced to be
Brig. Gen. Roger Ramey, head of the 8th Army
Air Force at Fort Worth, Texas. The Roswell
509th Bomb Group was a subcommand of the 8th
AAF. It was also announced that the recovered
"disk" was eventually destined for Wright Field,
Ohio, home of the Air Materiel Command and
the AAF's aeronautical research labs.
Within about an hour of the press release, Gen.
Ramey began putting out an alternate weather
balloon version of the story. And about two
hours later, the photo at the above right was taken
of Gen. Ramey (crouched down) and his Chief of
Staff, Col. Thomas Dubose (seated). Ramey
repeated his story that what was recovered at
Roswell was nothing more than the remains of a
weather balloon and its aluminum foil radar
target kite shown displayed on the general's
office floor. Later Ramey brought in a weather
officer to make the identification official.

GEN. RAMEY'S MEMO

The press bought the change of story. Just to

make sure, the Army and Navy engaged in a
debunking campaign during the following days
which involved weather balloon and radar target
demonstrations. The weather balloons, the public
was told, explained not only what was found at
Roswell, but also accounted for the numerous
"flying disk" or "flying saucer" sightings that
preceded the Roswell events.

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"weather balloon", or a "Mogul" or a "radar target" or a "RAWIN" (jargon term
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some sort of balloon or balloon paraphenalia. In fact, the only mention of
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for the crash object, and shipping something "IN THE DISC", Ramey is clearly
referring to something other than a balloon crash. The simplest interpretation is
to take the words literally. There is no reason for Gen. Ramey to be describing
events abstractly in a secret communication to his superiors. This was the
actually crash of a so-called "flying disk" craft with a dead crew found on the
inside, as corroborated by the testimony of military and civilian witnesses.
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Ramey is quite explicit about the existence of bodies and the crash object being a
"disc." The only thing not made explicit in the message is the exact nature of the
bodies or "disc." Ramey probably does not refer to the bodies as "nonhuman,"
"alien," or some similar term. Nor does he use terms like "spaceship," "craft of
unknown origin," etc. to describe the "disc."
Among the theories about the Roswell incident is that this was the crash of some
highly secretive government experimental craft piloted by a human crew.
However, nobody has ever presented evidence that such an experimental
disk-like craft ever existed or was tested in New Mexico at that time. It also
seems highly unlikely that even a highly secret craft but with half-century-old
technology would still be kept secret.
Further, it makes no sense that the government would be completely unaware of
the crash of one of their own craft until some sheep rancher came into town to
report it.
The same logic applies to the crash of something more conventional, such as a
bomber carrying nuclear weapons (another theory sometimes proposed). The
military would not wait for a local rancher to tell them about it nor would there
be any need for continued secrecy into the present day. (Similar nuclear
accidents have been declassified and are now in the public record.) And why
would Gen. Ramey call it a "disc"?
Finally, both the Air Force and General Accounting Office (investigating on
behalf of Congressman Schiff) in 1995 reported that air crash records revealed no
plane crashes in that area during that time frame that could possibly explain the
Roswell incident. In brief, there is simply no evidence for the crash of any
conventional or experimental aircraft.

Witness Testimony
There seems to be no conventional explanation that squares with the statements
found in Gen. Ramey's memo. But when we look at the contents of the message
in conjunction with witness testimony, the evidence clearly points to an actual
flying saucer crash, as astonishing as this conclusion may seem to many.
This testimony is gone into in much greater detail elsewhere in this Website. It
consists primarily of numerous and consistent descriptions of highly anomalous
debris and to a lesser extent of alien bodies. Here are a few key witnesses:

New! 2007 Lt. Walter Haut: Former Roswell base public information
officer who issued the base press release. Haut's "deathbed" sealed affidavit has
just been published. In it he confesses to seeing the spacecraft and bodies in
base Hangar 84/P-3 and tells us the mysterious press release was Gen. Ramey's
idea to divert press and public attention away from the closer and more important
craft/body site.
New! 2007 Sgt Frederick Benthal: Army photographer flown in from
Washington D.C., said he photographed alien bodies in a tent at crash site and
saw large quantities of crash debris being hauled away in trucks.
New! 2007 PFC Elias Benjamin: Roswell MP, said he escorted the alien

bodies from the heavily guarded base Hangar P-3 to the base hospital, and saw a
live one being worked on by doctors; was threatened afterwards if he didn't keep
quiet.

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MP unit, Barton said he was ordered to the crash site 45 minutes north of town to
check on the cleanup, saw a football-field-size burn impact area heavily guarded
by MPs, scattered metal debris, was told radiation was at the site, heard
archeologists had first discovered it, and also heard bodies were taken to base
hospital and then to Fort Worth. Because of what he saw, he knew that the
balloon explanation was ridiculous and there had been a cover-up. However,
Barton was unusual in being a flying saucer crash skeptic, instead thinking that it
was maybe a B-29 crash and nuclear accident.
Major Jesse Marcel: Then the intelligence chief at Roswell and the first to
investigate sheep rancher Mack Brazel's find, Marcel confirmed in a number of
interviews 30 years later that the crash debris had highly anomalous properties
and was "not of this Earth." Marcel also spoke of Ramey's weather balloon
cover-up at Fort Worth. Click on link to Marcel for more information on his
service record, which belies efforts of debunkers to paint him as hysterical and
incompetent. Note particularly highly laudatory post-Roswell evaluations by
base commander Col. William Blanchard, Gen. Ramey, and future USAF Chief
of Staff Col. John Ryan. New! Marcel's testimony on anomalous debris.
Marcel's sighting before Roswell & other witnesses seeing saucer explode.
Bill Brazel Jr.: Rancher Mack Brazel's son, Bill Brazel independently
corroborated many details of Marcel's testimony, including the strange debris, the
large, elongated debris field, and his father's story of an explosion in the middle
of a violent electrical storm. (Brazel's testimony on debris) New!
Louis Rickett: One of the regular Army CIC agents in Marcel's office, Rickett
confirmed the anomolous quality of the debris, a major cleanup operation at
Brazel's ranch, high secrecy, and being involved in a subsequent investigation to
determine the trajectory of the craft. He was also told by others about the shape
of the main craft. Like Chester Barton, he placed the main impact site a 45
minute drive north of Roswell. (Rickett's testimony on debris) New!
Brig. Gen. Arthur Exon: Though not a direct participant, Exon was stationed at
Wright Field at the time, overflew the area soon afterwards, and was later
commanding officer of Wright-Patterson AFB. Exon when first interviewed
flatly stated, "Roswell was the recovery of a craft from space." Among other
things, he confirmed the existence of two main crash sites. Exon also said he
heard that bodies were recovered and confirmed the debris was highly anomalous
based on testing done by labs at Wright-Patterson. Exon added that he was
aware of other crash-recoveries that occurred while he was C/O at WrightPatterson. Click on link to see Exon's Air Force biography and some of his
testimony. (Also testimony in debris section)

New, 2009! Chester Lytle: The nuclear engineer who built the first A-bomb
implosion detonator revealed being told by Roswell base commander William
Blanchard, a personal friend, that Roswell was an alien spacecraft crash and four
bodies had been recovered. All were eventually taken to Wright-Patterson for
study in a highly secure facility. He personally knew the general in charge. He
also learned from other sources who had seen the bodies results of the autopsies
done. Major Gen. Kenner Hertford, head of the Army's atomic energy
department, who Lytle said had a UFO sighting with him at Kirtland AFB, was
also convinced Roswell was extraterrestrial and bodies were recovered.
Steven Lovekin (served in the White House Army Signal Corp durng
Eisenhower and Kennedy administratons, 1959-1961) Although like Exon not a
direct participant, Lovekin said he received 1959 Pentagon briefings and being
shown a metallic beam with symbols from a 1947 N.M. crash (presumably
Roswell) plus being told of either 3 or 5 aliens being recovered, one initially
alive. He also said he was shown very compelling photographic and radar
evidence of UFOs. He also testified of the threats against military personnel
given this information if they were to publicly reveal it. Finally, he told of
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the hands of private corporations given access to the materials. Lovekin is a

Disclosure Project witness. Video testimony; audio testimony. For
transcribed exerpts click on Lovekin's link above. Testimony on metallic beam
added to debris section.
Brig. Gen. Thomas Dubose: Gen. Ramey's Chief of Staff in 1947, Dubose
handled the high-level phone communications between Roswell, Fort Worth, and
Washington. Dubose went on record many times about the high secrecy involved
(including the matter going directly to the White House), receiving direct orders
from Washington to instigate a cover-up, Gen. Ramey's weather balloon cover
story, and a highly secret shipment of debris from Roswell to Fort Worth,
Washington, and Wright Field. Dubose's damning testimony made him a
complete nonentity in the Air Force's 1995 Roswell report, which didn't even
bother to identify him in the photos taken of Gen. Ramey with his weather
balloon. Click on link to view Dubose's Air Force biography, his sworn affidavit,
and a more detailed discussion of his testimony which the Air Force was so eager
to avoid.
Sgt. Robert Slusher and PFC Lloyd Thompson: Crew members on a
mysterious B-29 flight from Roswell to Fort Worth on July 9, 1947, transporting
a large wooden crate in the bombbay surrounded by an armed guard. Upon
arrival, the plane was met by high brass and a mortician. This is probably the
flight referred to in the Ramey memo that would ship whatever was "in the 'disc'"
to Fort Worth by a B-29 Special Transport plane. Click on link to view Slusher's
affidavit and the account of Thompson's testimony and flight log. New 2007!
New witnesses to the flight, including daughter of the head security guard, saying
that alien bodies were inside the crate.
Frank Kaufmann: A highly controversial witness claiming to be one of the
exclusive members of a special CIC-team (Army Counter-Intelligence Corp) in
charge of the Roswell recovery operation. Nonetheless, some of Kaufmann's
claims seem to be corroborated by the Ramey message, including the existence
of such a team, the recovery of an intact "disk" with bodies inside about 35 miles
north of Roswell base, and the special team being responsible for the initial
Roswell base press release. Kaufmann also testified to knowing of a wooden
crate guarded in a hangar with the bodies packed inside awaiting shipment,
perhaps the same crate independently described by Slusher and Thompson.
However, in light of the Ramey memo, that places the finding of "victims" and a
"disk" on around July 8, Kaufmann's statements about a July 5 recovery date for
the craft and bodies is almost undoubtably false, as was his crash location.
(New! See also recent CUFOS exposure of Kaufmann faking documents -PDF file.) Shortly before he died, Kaufmann changed this craft/body recovery
site to a more westerly location closer to the debris field site. See page on the
military cordon for more information about these sites.
Glenn Dennis: A Roswell mortician and another highly controversial witness,
Dennis spoke of receiving strange calls from the base about preservation
techniques and child-sized coffins. Dennis also claimed to be at the Roswell
base hospital, seeing unusual debris in the back of an ambulance including a
pod-like object perhaps alluded to in the Ramey message, and being threatened.
He also claimed to know a Roswell nurse who assisted in a preliminary autopsy
at the base hospital and who described the aliens to him. The nurse subsequently
disappeared. Click on link to see Dennis' affidavit and summary of his
testimony. However, attempts to identify the mystery nurse have proven to be a
complete failure after Dennis provided a false name. However, also see some
corroborative evidence immediately following Dennis' affidavit, such as David
Wagnon, a medical technician, who remembered the nurse fitting Dennis'
description, as did Pete Anaya, who said the pretty nurse he knew and
encountered at the base hangar telling him of the bodies there subsequently
disappeared. Roswell police chief L. M. Hall. stated that Dennis was telling him
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crashed saucer story broke in the Roswell papers. Similarly, S/Sgt. Milton
Sprouse also said he heard of the coffin call from Dennis and a medic friend told
him of the alien bodies and autopsy at the hospital. The medic and doctors and
nurses involved in the autopsy all immediately were transferred and their fate
remained unknown. In addition, other independent witnesses have provided first
and second-hand testimony about small bodies being found with details very
similar to those provided by Dennis, including Walter Haut, Frederick
Benthal, Eli Benjamin, and relatives of "Pappy" Henderson, immediately below.
Family and friends of Oliver "Pappy" Henderson: Henderson was one of the
senior pilots at Roswell. When the first public stories of a Roswell saucer crash
began circulating in 1981, Henderson confided to family and friends of being the
pilot who flew bodies of the aliens and crash wreckage to Wright Field. He also
claimed to have seen the craft and bodies, and provided a description of the
aliens. Click on link for affidavits. (Related testimony in debris section)
Sgt. Robert E. Smith: A member of an air transport unit at Roswell, Smith said
he helped load crates filled with debris for transport by C-54's, including one
flown by Henderson and his crew. Smith was also among the witnesses to
describe the mysterious "memory foil" which he said was in the crates. He
further described strangers to the base dressed in plainclothes and flashing ID
cards for some unknown project, perhaps part of the special CIC-team mentioned
in the Ramey memo and by Frank Kaufmann. Finally he claimed that distant
cousin of his was with the Secret Service and was there at the base representing
President Truman. (The same name was also provided by Kaufmann.) Click on
link for Smith's affidavit.

New! 2007 S/Sgt. Earl V. Fulford:

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said he participated in the large debris field cleanup guarded by MPs, handled the
mysterious "memory foil," saw what may have been the tarped crash object on a
flatbed truck being towed to Hangar 84, and in the middle of the night was made
to load a large wooden crate into an idling C-54. (Testimony on memory foil;
testimony on debris field; Fulford's UFO sighting at Roswell)
Earl Zimmerman: Formerly with AFOSI (AF counterintelligence). While in
officers' club heard many rumors about flying saucer crash and of it being
investigated under the guise of an airplane crash. Several times observed Gen.
Ramey and Charles Lindbergh being at base unannounced in connection with
this. Like Robert Smith, spoke of seeing an unknown CICman being at base.
Col. Blanchard told him it was OK. Later worked with astronomer Dr. Lincoln
LaPaz and corroborated story of Roswell CICman Lewis Rickett that LaPaz
investigated Roswell afterwards with the help of the CIC to try to determine
objects trajectory. Again an airplane crash was the cover story.
Lt. Robert Shirkey: Then the assistant operations officer, Shirkey witnessed the
loading of the B-29 that took Major Marcel to Fort Worth to see Gen. Ramey.
He said he saw boxes of debris being carried on board, including an I-beam with
raised markings and a large piece of metal, brushed stainless steel in color,
obviously not part of a tinfoil radar target. He was told it was from a flying
saucer. Along with witness Robert Porter, he also stated that the plane's pilot was
Deputy Commanding Officer Lt. Col. Payne Jennings, who was now the Acting
C/O with Col. Blanchard officially on leave. Nine days later, Shirkey was
abruptly transferred to the Philippines to a post that didn't exist. Jennings
personally flew him to his next assignment. Click on link to see Shirkey's
affidavit and link to other testimony. See also debris descriptions. New!
Sgt. Robert Porter: Was on Marcel's flight to Fort Worth and was handed
wrapped packages of debris samples. Said that flight was piloted by Deputy base
commander Jennings. He was told on board that the crash material was from a
flying saucer. Later, they told him it was a weather balloon. Said debris was
loaded onto another plane. Click on link for affidavit.

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Other Affidavits
Art McQuiddy: Former editor of the Roswell Morning Dispatch. Said base
commander Col. Blanchard admitted to authorizing base press release and of
strange material being found by his men.
Judd Roberts: Co-owner of Roswell radio station KGFL owner. Spoke of how
they wire-recorded an interview with rancher Mack Brazel for later airing, then
withdrew it about receiving warnings from Washington about losing their
license. Testified to seeing a military cordon around Brazel crash site.
New! William Woody: Another witness to a military cordon thrown up up north
of town along the main highway, blocking access to the west. Click on name for
Woody's affidavit.
Lydia Sleppy: Albuquerque teletype operator and one of earliest witnesses.
Stated that the story phoned in from field by Roswell radio reporter Johnny
McBoyle about seeing the crashed saucer and hearing of bodies was intercepted
and cut-off on the teletype wire by the FBI.
Loretta Proctor: Neighbor of rancher Mack Brazel. Brazel told her and her
husband of finding strange material before going to Roswell, and showing them a
wood-like piece that couldn't be cut or burned. They advised him to go to
Roswell and report it. Brazel was detained at the base and complained bitterly of
his treatment when he returned. New! See debris descripions for more
testimony.
Sally Strickland Tadolini: Another neighbor of Brazel's. Although only 9
years old at the time, remembered Mack Brazel's grown son Bill Brazel bringing
over a piece of metallic-looking debris with memory properties to show to her
family (incident corroborated by her mother). Described it as tough, resembled a
smooth "fabric" like silk or satin, and, of course, unfolded itself to its original
shape after being crumpled up. Independently corroborated Bill Brazel's story of
finding material and also Marcel's of a metallic fabric material with memory
properties which he could blow through (therefore not balloon material). Also
remembered the adults talking about Mack Brazel's bad treatment at hands of
military.
Dr. Jesse Marcel Jr.: 11-year old son of Major Marcel in 1947, recounts how
his father woke up his mother and himself in the middle of the night when he
returned from the debris field, showing them the pieces of a "flying saucer."
Among other material, he distinctly remembers a small metallic "I-beam" with
purplish "hieroglyphics." New! See also debris descriptions for more testimony.
Irving Newton: Weather officer at Fort Worth used by Gen. Ramey to certify
identity of weather balloon debris shown in Fort Worth photos. Newton's is a
big-time skeptic and the Air Force used his affidavit to bolster their claim that
Major Marcel found the remains Mogul balloon and misidentified it as coming
from a flying saucer. However, Newton is only a witness to what was shown to
him in Ramey's office, not what was found at Roswell. Both Col. Dubose and
Marcel said the weather balloon was substituted for the real Roswell debris.
Newton's disparaging remarks about Marcel's behavior in Gen. Ramey's office
are contradicted by Marcel's record and Ramey's own highly complimentary
remarks about him a year later.

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