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P DELTA ANALYSIS IN STAAD PRO


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santosh shejwal

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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:22 pm

Post subject: P DELTA ANALYSIS IN STAAD PRO

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Dear Sefians,
Joined: 24 Feb 2010
Posts: 10

I am designing a steel Rigid frame in STAAD pro.Please let me know how to perform P-DELTA
analysis in STAAD pro.
(syntax of command will be helpfull)
Regards,
Santosh.

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nnsivakumar

Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 5:36 am

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Posts: 92

Hi,
There are many types of analysis possible in STAAD like P-Delta, linear elastic, non-linear elastic,
response spectrum, push over, steady state etc. I want to know what analysis to use under what
condition. Is there any guidance that I can get on this?
Thanks
Siva

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sukanta.adhikari

Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 3:57 pm

Post subject: Re: P DELTA ANALYSIS IN STAAD PRO

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Please note STAAD help menu explain the procedure to carry out P Delta analysis.However the steps and syntax are
presented in this post.There are much more on this.Please refer STAAD help menu.This presentation in in a nutshell.

P-Delta analysis n STAAD

Steps involved:

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Step 1:
Primary deflections are calculated on the basis provided external loading input.

Step 2:
Combination of primary deflections with the originally applied loading to form the
input to secondary loadings.

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Revision of load vector to include the secondary effects.

Step 3:
Based on revised load vector new stiffness analysis is carried out to generate new
deflections.

Step 4:
New deflections are used to calculate Element/Member forces and support reactions.
For refined analysis appropriate iteration can be carried out.

Syntax in STAAD

After the STAAD analysis is over.

Instead of giving Perform analysis command

Give the command P


-Delta analysis
You have the option of selecting

1 ) Use geometric stiffness Kg

2) Small Delta
STAAD performs P-Delta Analysis for first order linear analysis and obtains a set of joint
forces from member based on the large P-Delta effect. A second analysis is then performed on
this updated load vector for 5 to 10 iterations.

-P-Delta with KG analysis

In case of P-Delta with KGAnalysis, that is with the Kg option selected, the effect of
the axial stress after the first analysis is used to modify the stiffness of the member. A second
analysis is then performed using the original load vector. Large & small P-Delta effects are
always included (1 or 2 iterations will usually be sufficient)

A large P-Delta is a structure effect and a small P-Delta is a member effect.

-P-Delta with small Delta

With Small Delta option both the large & small P-Delta effects are included in calculating the
end forces, (5 to 10 iterations will usually be sufficient).

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For modal analysis refer STAAD help menu.

Limitation of P-Delta in STAAD

-Limited to frame members only.

-Nonlinear analysis is restricted to structures where members carry the axial load from one

structure level to the next.

Links to the discussion in Bentley communities on P-Delta analysis in STAAD

http://communities.bentley.com/products/structural/structural_analysis___design/f/5932/t/58820.aspx

http://communities.bentley.com/products/structural/structural_analysis___design/f/5932/t/51551.aspx

Regards,
S.Adhikari
santosh shejwal wrote:
Dear Sefians,
I am designing a steel Rigid frame in STAAD pro.Please let me know how to perform P-DELTA
analysis in STAAD pro.
(syntax of command will be helpfull)
Regards,
Santosh.
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rahul.leslie

Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:42 pm

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Dear Adhikari sir,


That was wonderful... a real nut shell covering all that is required
Rahul Leslie

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Posts: 425
Location: Trivandrum

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thirumalaichettiar

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 6:19 am

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Er.Sukanta Adhikari,

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You have for got one important command for using P-Delta analysis.
The REPEAT load command is a must and is different from LOAD COMBINATION. This has
alsready been explained in my previous postings.
Without this REPEAT LOAD command the analysis of no use and will not yield the required result
in STAADPRO.
T.Rangarajan.

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sukanta.adhikari

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 9:44 am

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Respected Rangarajan sir,


Thanks for highlighting this missing parameter.
AS per the STAAD manual..
In step 2 as expalined in previous post..

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"The lateral loading must be present concurrently with the vertical loading for proper
consideration of the P Delta effect. This introduces the need to use The REPEAT LOAD facility in
STAAD. This facility allows the user to combine previously defined primary load cases to create a
new primary load case"
Regards,
S.Adhikari
thirumalaichettiar wrote:
Er.Sukanta Adhikari,
You have for got one important command for using P-Delta analysis.
The REPEAT load command is a must and is different from LOAD COMBINATION. This has
alsready been explained in my previous postings.
Without this REPEAT LOAD command the analysis of no use and will not yield the required
result in STAADPRO.
T.Rangarajan.

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ravi_vairagi

Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 11:07 am

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Dear Sir,
Joined: 19 Nov 2011
Posts: 35

P-Delta anylysis is help me to find out Horizontal subgrade reaction for Pile foundation design?
If yes than how?
Regrads
Ravi Vairagi

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