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Apple's Steve Jobs has reportedly called Adobe's Flash video technology a "CPU hog", during a
meeting with representatives from The Wall Street Journal, according to an online report.
The Apple CEO also reportedly claimed the company's forthcoming
iPad device would have a battery life of just 1.5 hours if Flash was
enabled. Apple list's the iPad as having: "up to 10 hours of surfing
the web on Wi-Fi, watching video or listening to music," running on
the built-in 25Whr rechargeable lithium-polymer battery.
The report claims Jobs sat down with select Wall Street Journal staff
Apple CEO Steve Jobs
demonstrates the iPad at its
introduction in January.
to tout the benefits of creating content for the iPad, on the third floor
of the News Corporation building in New York as part of a broader
media tour.
The report also quotes Jobs as dismissing Flash as "full of security holes," and "old technology,"
suggesting The Wall Street Journal switch to H.264 video compression.
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deomac8 says:
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Sat Feb 20 06:34:54 PST 2010
I for one doubt his claims that flash would diminish battery life that much. From 10 hours to
1.5 hours of use? Come on Jobs! Give me* the choice to enable or disable flash. I think I
would prefer a 2 hour device with the full internet. Call me crazy... but then again, who would
pay for itunes movies and shows when they're all over the net for free in flash format?
Mac mini Desktop PC

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ekeefe41 says:
See also: Mac Notebooks, iPhone, iPod
Sat Feb 20 06:54:31 PST 2010
So here it is, the big mistake to make apple fall again. Back when the 1st GUI based mac's
came out the mistake was not letting 3rd party hardware manufactures make mac's. Now they
have a 5-6% market share in PC's. This time around not only are they making the same
hardware issue for the iPhone (same as iPad OS), but that are also closing the door to
software developers. Not just a small one either.... Flash is something like 70% of online video
content. I would sell Apple stock now if I had it.
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allstardeal79 says:
Sat Feb 20 07:26:36 PST 2010
ekeefe41 said
So here it is, the big mistake to make apple fall again. Back when the 1st GUI based
mac's came out the mistake was not letting 3rd party hardware manufactures make
mac's. Now they have a 5-6% market share in PC's. This time around not only are they
making the same hardware issue for the iPhone (same as iPad OS), but that are also
closing the door to software developers. Not just a small one either.... Flash is something
like 70% of online video content. I would sell Apple stock now if I had it.
If apple opened up Mac OS X to other hardware manufacturers it would be disaterous for the
company. They actually did let hardware developers do this in the 90's but it nearly killed
them. Hardware developers would create extremely cheap macs that would be low quality and
lousy, then no one would probably buy a mac, which is how apple makes money, not their
software. They're not a microsoft, they have a high standard that every product has to reach
and every product has to "just work" which they do.
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technicalhitman says:
Sat Feb 20 07:31:36 PST 2010
We all know the real reasons why Jobs is opposing Flash.

1. Apple has nothing like Flash. Adobe has Flash, Microsoft has Silverlight, Apache has Pivot,
and Oracle/Sun has JavaFX. So if you can't create it or beat it, try to squash it.
2. Flash takes away from Apple's control. Over 70% of content and many websites use Flash.
The links pull you away from that rigid control. It also opens up possibilities. It also takes away
from Google as well. You know what's interesting, the primary editors of HTML 5 are Ian
Hickson of Google, Inc. and David Hyatt of Apple, Inc. Nobody from Microsoft, Sun, Adobe,
Cisco Systems, or anyone else big with the Internet or standards are editors. Sounds to me
like vendor lock in to restrict choice.
3. When it's open to competition, Apple loses. During the clone era, Apple was getting killed
by Mac clones & Windows machines. When Vista was out, Apple made some good gains at
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Windows expense. Windows 7 comes out and Apple actually loses marketshare. People love
choice not restrictions & Apple isn't the company of choice. Apple takes away that choice,
turns a computer into an appliance, & then says that their solitary vision is the best. If that
were true, how did we ever get past monarchy & dictatorships?
The reaction to the iPad was negative because people were expecting a device that takes the
computing experience to the next level. What we got was Newton 2.0. A device that cannot
grow, be physically upgraded, or evolve such a full computer. A device that has only one
choice for all software through Apple. (Before you mention the App Store, you can't get Apps
outside of Apple's sphere without jail-breaking.) I think it was a great reaction because people
finally saw Apple for what they really are. A very rigidly closed, totally proprietary, consumer
electronics company which aims at turning the computer into your toaster oven or your
microwave.
I just think people especially Apple customers need to insist on choice. Processor choice,
graphics card choice, form factor choice, storage choice, peripheral choice, & software choice.
If Apple would work more with the consumer choice instead of against it, I think people would
like Apple more. I think this is why Windows 7 sells over 60 million copies in one quarter,
becomes the fastest selling OS in history, because people ultimately like having the freedom
to make their own decisions.
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technicalhitman says:
Sat Feb 20 07:42:45 PST 2010
allstardeal79 said
ekeefe41 said
So here it is, the big mistake to make apple fall again. Back when the 1st GUI
based mac's came out the mistake was not letting 3rd party hardware
manufactures make mac's. Now they have a 5-6% market share in PC's. This time
around not only are they making the same hardware issue for the iPhone (same as
iPad OS), but that are also closing the door to software developers. Not just a small
one either.... Flash is something like 70% of online video content. I would sell Apple
stock now if I had it.
If apple opened up Mac OS X to other hardware manufacturers it would be disaterous for

the company. They actually did let hardware developers do this in the 90's but it nearly
killed them. Hardware developers would create extremely cheap macs that would be low
quality and lousy, then no one would probably buy a mac, which is how apple makes
money, not their software. They're not a microsoft, they have a high standard that every
product has to reach and every product has to "just work" which they do.
I'm going to call BS on that. Apple can clearly can set a clone system standard of hardware.
There are plenty of AMD processors that could run Apple's stuff just fine. You can ban junky
or craptastic peripheral & component makers. Apple could certify hardware designed for it's
OS & deny installation of non-approved hardware. The problem is that they don't want too.
Apple being the sole proprietor of hardware and artificially inflating their hardware prices is
how they make their bread and butter.
I'm also going to call BS on the "Just work" marketing. A lot of things for Snow Leopard,
DIDN'T JUST WORK out of the box. Infact, Leopard and Snow Leopard broke a lot of things.
Just as a lot of things didn't work when Apple transitioned from OS 9 to OS-X 10.0. Infact, just
listening to many shows of Macbreak Weekly & The Tech Guy, I know for a fact that Macs
often times mess up without explanation. In some ways, Macs malfunction in ways that
Windows customers would never tolerate such as the flickering screens on the brand new 27"
iMacs, hard drives that malfunction in as little as 2 years, & abandoning perfectly good
systems such as the 2006 Power PC Macs. If Macs just works, why does each and every Mac
store offer training sessions, & a training package known as One to One?
Let's dispense with the marketing jargon and get with the facts please? Thank you.
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KLanD says:
Sat Feb 20 10:05:35 PST 2010
I love how Jobs always brings up flash video which makes up about 1% of what flash can do.
He purposely neglects to mention all the apps, games, websites, etc. produced in flash that
are not available on the Iphone/Ipod touch/IPad.
As for the reason Apple hates clones, it's simple, why buy an overpriced mac when you can
go buy (or build) a cheaper one. The only thing Apple has truly has going for it (in the PC
industry) is it's OS. If you were legally allowed to install it on a clone it would kill their hardware
market.
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ScifiterX says:
Sat Feb 20 10:18:40 PST 2010
Wow only two weeks after the story broke.

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hdv1 says:
Sat Feb 20 10:41:08 PST 2010
I like flash. I think it enables life on the internet. In the past I have noticed that my flash
experience was a bit sluggish. Has anybody else experienced this? Thankfully, Adobe did
update flash and now I have no problem. Really, I think that the capability of a person's
internet connection has a lot to do with a person's flash experience. (duh)
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asusean2002 says:
Sat Feb 20 10:43:04 PST 2010
How many hardware issues do Macs have? How many hardware issues do PCs have?
Maintaining control over hardware is why Apple products 'just work'. The iPad isn't meant to
replace a computer, or a laptop for that matter. Its a peripheral device, and will not make or
break Apple as a company. They could sell zero iPads and still be humming along just fine.
As for choice, if you want choice in hardware, buy a PC, it's that simple. Macs clearly are not
for you. You'll also be able to choose what kind of antivirus software you have to buy.
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cwrig says:
Sat Feb 20 12:32:42 PST 2010
maybe the IPAD has 10 hour battery life because the majority of websites it visits are big
empty white squares where flash should be.
Talk about lazy! Releasing a product that cant view a large percentage of most websites (and
then calling it the best browsing experience on the web!) Jobs must think we are idiots.
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BadBob says:
Sat Feb 20 12:41:32 PST 2010
asusean2002 said
Maintaining control over hardware is why Apple products 'just work'. The iPad isn't meant
to replace a computer, or a laptop for that matter. Its a peripheral device, and will not
make or break Apple as a company. They could sell zero iPads and still be humming
along just fine.
As for choice, if you want choice in hardware, buy a PC, it's that simple. Macs clearly are
not for you. You'll also be able to choose what kind of antivirus software you have to buy.
OK, as already mentioned, Apple's do NOT just work. Of course it's easier to keep things
working if you only have to get it to work with your stuff and not worry about anyone else. But
most people want to do and use other things that Apple does not make. Wouldn't it be great if
Jobs pissed Adobe off, and Adobe made it so new versions of Photoshop and Illustrator didn't
work on the Mac! That would certainly be the end of Mac.
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mathion says:
Sat Feb 20 13:08:48 PST 2010
This is why I don't do anything Apple. They won't LET YOU DO ANYTHING YOU MIGHT
WANT TO DO. You can only do things THEY let you do.
From hardware to software and everything in between, Apple's rule is, it's OUR stuff, not
yours. We're letting you only do so much and no more. Don't touch under the hood. Don't run
prgrams you want to run unless we say it's okay first, and even then, we may change our
minds.
Screw Apple. Once Jobs leaves or dies (whichever occurs first), maybe they'll figure out that if
people buy something, they have a right to use it as they please - reaping the benefits or
consequences of those acts. In the meantime, I can still build a better system that "just works"
without once touching anything Apple.
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therealgriff says:
Sat Feb 20 14:04:30 PST 2010
Have any of you posters actually looked at how much of your cpu is utilized when using a
flash enabled website. I just ran a quick test over several flash based sites. hulu.com,
ign.com, addictinggames.com since everyone is talking about free games and free video.
What do they win Johnny?
All tests performed on 2.16 C2Duo
hulu.com uses anywhere from 45% to 75% of the CPU cutting battery life in half if not more.
ign.com uses anywhere from 12% normal navigating to 80% when viewing video content.
Battery life? Do your own math
addictinggames.com uses anywhere from 35% to 87% and sometimes more. Once again
battery life is greatly reduced.
Now try to run this on a 1Ghz A4 or an iPhone/iPod Touch and Apple has a very legitimate
case for keeping Flash off a portable device.
As an over the top control i viewed a 1080P h.264 video which is by far more content and
quality than all previous tests. Max usage was 84% with an average of 45%. Yes these are
high numbers, but drop to a 720P version and usage drops to a max of 45%. As a side note
all videos have been optimized for computer viewing not a mobile device. Apple's videos are
optimized for viewing on their hardware which creates a better experience. If Flash cared
about the erupting ultra-moblie market it would follow suit and find a better way of delivering
content. All of these tests can be performed in a matter of minutes. Before you start claiming
that 70% of content matters think about how people are going to want to view that content in
the fast approaching future.
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PulSamsara says:
Sat Feb 20 14:31:05 PST 2010
If any reader doesn't understand the REAL reason Jobs doesn't want flash on Apple mobile
devices you're either sophomoric, naive or just plain stupid.
Apple can't control the distribution or sale of flash. Simple. Period. Done.
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PCMan4ever says:
Sat Feb 20 17:05:59 PST 2010
allstardeal79 said
ekeefe41 said
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Clones did NOT almost kill Apple Steve Jobs is the one that KILLED the clones. When he got
back into Apple he had them buy out the clone maker that was giving them real competition
and then shut the company down. Real nice of Apple.
"Jobs ends the official program
Soon after Steve Jobs returned to Apple, he backed out of recently renegotiated licensing
deals with OS licensees that Apple executives complained were still financially unfavorable.
Because the clone makers' licenses were valid only for Apple's System 7 operating system,
Apple's release of Mac OS 8 left the clone manufacturers without the ability to ship a current
Mac OS version and effectively ended the cloning program.[9] Apple bought Power
Computing's Mac clone business for $100 million, ending the Clone era.
Jobs publicly stated[citation needed] that the program was ill-conceived and had been a result
of "institutional guilt," meaning that for years, there had been a widely held belief at Apple that
had the company aggressively pursued a legal cloning program early in the history of the
Macintosh, consumers might have turned to low-priced Macintosh clones rather than lowpriced IBM/PC-compatible computers. Had it pursued a clone program in the 1980s, in this
view, Apple might have ended up in the position currently occupied by Microsoft-an extremely
powerful company with high profit margins and a wide base of consumers perpetually
dependent on its system software products. Jobs claimed it was now too late for this to
happen, that the Mac clone program was doomed to failure from the start, and since Apple
made money primarily by selling computer hardware, it ought not engage in a licensing
program that would reduce its hardware sales."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_clone
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PCMan4ever says:
Sat Feb 20 17:13:27 PST 2010
allstardeal79 said
ekeefe41 said

Hmm, I have built a few computers in my day that run Windows. Except for the wires to the
power light being backward, my computers "just work"ed when I turned them on and installed
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Windows. I did not have to make sure that every piece of it came from ONE maker and the
operating system came from the SAME company.
I have choices from literally thousands of companies from what I want to use in my
computers. Try that with Apple and see how you get yourself. You have only one choice of
equipment to worry about.
The items that Apple WANTS/HAS you use only.
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sunscape says:
Sat Feb 20 19:21:50 PST 2010
It is true... flash is a horrible product for Macs, and other *nux OS's. The CPU usage of flash
on these systems is huge, so forget about full screen flash video on something like the iPad. I
understand why Jobs decided not shun flash support. On my laptop, which runs Linux, I have
installed flashblock just because it extends its battery life. Normally the battery will last for 4
hours, but watching a Hulu movie, for example, lessens its life to just over an hour.
Html5 is a great alternative wherever it is supported. I have been using it with chrome on
youtube and it simply makes the experience better. I hope more sites start using alternatives
like html5.
The only problem is that flash is best for interactive websites. Maybe Adobe will do something
for *nix users in the near future.
Also, it seems like most of the comments on PCWORLD come from poorly informed Windows
users.
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chevrolet1994 says:
Sat Feb 20 20:23:46 PST 2010
Clear Channel recently switched their

web media players to stream audio from the radio stations that they own to flash player, It
takes forever to load and there is always the possibility of the stream intermittently dropping
out or disappearing completely.
Note to ADOBE,fix it,improve it,or go out of business!
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thewazak says:
Sat Feb 20 21:17:30 PST 2010
Mac "just works" eh?

Tried Aperture 3?
Jobs has a brass nerve to talk about other people's buggy software!
I'll take bets Flash is around longer than Jobs .......
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Abrahmm says:
Sat Feb 20 23:58:03 PST 2010
I'm amazed that Jobs would just make up excuses for what is obvious to everyone. Allowing
flash but having it either not installed or disabled by default would remove any of the "issues"
from Apple to flash and give people the choice of whether those issues were worth dealing
with or not. But this has absolutely nothing to do with issues, this has to do with Apple losing
the ability to control every piece of content on the product. It's an absolute joke that their new
"revolutionary" internet device cannot even support one of the most widely used internet
languages.
I'm amazed that people actually buy products from this company.
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NotSure says:
Sat Feb 20 23:59:03 PST 2010
What everyone has missed is that Sevie Baby has just admitted that the battery life of the
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iPhad is not 10 hours at all. Apple routinely exaggerate their battery life by 50%, but this is a
new low.
He has admitted the iPhad runs out of charge at 1.5 hours... 90 minutes when under heavy
CPU use. So there is no way you can play a full H.264 movie on one charge, because
playback of such a compressed standard will run the CPU close to 100%.
Please tech media, take the Apple blinkers off and investigate this serious admission by
Stevie.
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1and0nly says:
Sun Feb 21 01:57:04 PST 2010
asusean2002 said
You'll also be able to choose what kind of antivirus software you have to buy.
Who the hell pays for AntiVirus Software nowadays?

Theres Microsoft Security Essentials, Avira AntiVir, AVG and Avast! all for free.
Some or all of them are proven to provide the same protection that payed AntiVirus Software
provides.
And as to your illusion that Mac's are nicely safe and secure:
If Apple gets the market share above 15% or 20%, hackers will get interested.
But the problem will be, there won't be no AntiVirus Software for Macs.
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payshunz says:
Sun Feb 21 06:52:45 PST 2010
mathion said
This is why I don't do anything Apple. They won't LET YOU DO ANYTHING YOU MIGHT
WANT TO DO. You can only do things THEY let you do.
From hardware to software and everything in between, Apple's rule is, it's OUR stuff, not
yours. We're letting you only do so much and no more. Don't touch under the hood. Don't
run prgrams you want to run unless we say it's okay first, and even then, we may change
our minds.
Screw Apple. Once Jobs leaves or dies (whichever occurs first), maybe they'll figure out
that if people buy something, they have a right to use it as they please - reaping the
benefits or consequences of those acts. In the meantime, I can still build a better system
that "just works" without once touching anything Apple.
You crack me up! From 'Apple won't let you do Nuthin!' to 'Don't run prgrams you want....'! I
must be in a terrible situation with my Mac which won't run anything unless I clear it with Apple
(sarcasm intended). You OBVIOUSLY don't know ANYTHING about Macs (the majority of
posters here, by the looks of it). If you DID you'd know you can either boot straight into
Windows or run any version of Windows in a virtual machine, allowing you to run ANY
Windows software you want (poor you if you're that dependent on Windoze software).
Preferably, I just run Windows in a Virtual Machine (just because I CAN, NOT because I need
to). The nice part of this is that I can leave all the virus checking, security fixing, rebooting,
rootkit-clearing, malware-avoiding problems in this virtual machine when I return to the Mac's
OS.
As for Apple not having it's own Silverlight or Flash, I'd like to point out that these are
proprietary software. One less proprietary way of doing things is good, isn't it?
'I'm going to call BS on that. Apple can clearly can set a clone system standard of hardware.' History kind of tells us otherwise.
'I'm also going to call BS on the "Just work" marketing.' - Yet another example of someone
who knows nothing about Apple and its products, other than what he's read in some Macbashing tech site. As far as hardware/software issues with Macs, yes they exist, as exhibited
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by all things made by man. The horror stories I've read about Vista and Windows 7 (Vista
SP2?) tell me Microsoft has MORE than its share of such problems.
'If Macs just works, why does each and every Mac store offer training sessions, & a training
package known as One to One? ' - Macs DO just work. Unfortunately, the Mac USER
sometimes needs help. Significantly LESS help than any Windows user I know, but
nonetheless...
'why buy an overpriced mac when you can go buy (or build) a cheaper one' - Look at how Dell
is doing (the KING of making cheap, cheap machines) and then complain about 'overpriced'
Macs. Apple is doing FANTASTIC, by the way.
You DO realize no one is FORCED to use Macs, right? If you don't like them, don't use them.
But if you don't use them (which applies to the majority of posters here) why bitch so
vehemently against them? There are people who own and love using Macs, then there are the
Windows users who for unknown reasons despise the people who own and love using Macs.
Nowhere do I see the Windows users who love using Windows-running PCs (except on
Microsoft commercials). While there are many, many people who own Windows machines, I
find very, very, very few people who love using these machines, just ones who love hating
Mac users. Strange and sad.
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payshunz says:
Sun Feb 21 07:10:10 PST 2010
1and0nly said
asusean2002 said
You'll also be able to choose what kind of antivirus software you have to buy.
Who the hell pays for AntiVirus Software nowadays?

Theres Microsoft Security Essentials, Avira AntiVir, AVG and Avast! all for free.
Some or all of them are proven to provide the same protection that payed AntiVirus
Software provides.
And as to your illusion that Mac's are nicely safe and secure:
If Apple gets the market share above 15% or 20%, hackers will get interested.
But the problem will be, there won't be no AntiVirus Software for Macs.
LMAO on this one! Oh, that makes it OK, the fact that you can get FREE antivirus software to
continually run and update on your machine. But wait, there seem to be MILLIONS of
Windows users who actually BUY their antivirus software. Are they all fools? (no right answer
here). Every time I hear about THIS botnet consisting of millions of compromised Windowsrunning PCs or THAT Windows-related virus taking down a hospital's or news organization's
computers etc etc I think to myself 'Self, it's a good thing there's all that FREE antivirus
software for Windows-running PCs!'
As far as that old, oh-so-old 'Security Through Obscurity' crap, just keep on playing that
pathetic idea in your mind as 1000 new and exciting viruses hit Windows-running PCs next
year. And the next year. And the next year. I absolutely LOVE Windows users who use the
fact that Macs have no virus problems as an example of something BAD about Macs!
And unfortunately, some companies actually DO try to market antivirus software for the Mac.
Too bad we don't NEED any. ('...won't be NO AntiVirus Software...'???)
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mdg1019 says:
Sun Feb 21 07:18:20 PST 2010
asusean2002 said
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along just fine.
The last paragraph just shows what a lemming you are if you think Macs aren't vulnerable.
After all, Jobs seems to be going to great length to point out that Flash somehow makes OS X
vulnerable. But, but say it isn't so Stevie. You mean my Mac is vulnerable to attacks just like a
PC that would have cost me half the price?
Sorry, but I'm sick to death of all the fanboi fantasies about how great Apple products are. I've
owned lots of Apple products and they are no better than an equivalent PC. PCs allow you to
do just about anything. Macs will only do what Jobs allows you to do. If Apple products were
really worth the premium price, then why aren't Macs more reliable than PCs? They're not.
One recent study I read showed that Mac laptops were only the 3rd most reliable brand on the
market. So what are you paying for? A closed system and censorship. That's about it.
If Jobs truly believes what he's spewing about Flash, then he's retarded.
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payshunz says:
Sun Feb 21 07:36:04 PST 2010
PCMan4ever said
allstardeal79 said
ekeefe41 said
manufactures make mac's. Now they have a 5-6% market share in PC's. This
time around not only are they making the same hardware issue for the iPhone
(same as iPad OS), but that are also closing the door to software developers.
Not just a small one either.... Flash is something like 70% of online video
If apple opened up Mac OS X to other hardware manufacturers it would be

disaterous for the company. They actually did let hardware developers do this in
the 90's but it nearly killed them. Hardware developers would create extremely
cheap macs that would be low quality and lousy, then no one would probably buy a
mac, which is how apple makes money, not their software. They're not a microsoft,
they have a high standard that every product has to reach and every product has to
"just work" which they do.
Hmm, I have built a few computers in my day that run Windows. Except for the wires to
the power light being backward, my computers "just work"ed when I turned them on and
installed Windows. I did not have to make sure that every piece of it came from ONE
maker and the operating system came from the SAME company.
computers. Try that with Apple and see how you get yourself. You have only one choice
of equipment to worry about.
And yet ANOTHER example of someone who knows nothing about a Mac sharing his
uninformed opinion with everyone. My desk and computer are littered with external hard
drives made or used by La Cie, Western Digital, Seagate, etc. etc, as well as a Kensington
trackball, HP webcam, Samsung monitors, ATI graphics card, Crucial memory, Belkin USB
hubs, Canon printer, HP photo printer, Sennheiser headphones, Plantronics mike, Altec
Lansing external speakers, oh yes, don't forget the MICROSOFT keyboard. I feel sooooo
limited by my choices of computer peripherals. No one expects to be able to build an Apple
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from the ground up. No more than you would build your own DELL from the ground up. But as
far as having 0% chance of using any non-Apple component with your Mac? That's just BS.
Let's not forget, though, that the computer is JUST A TOOL - what you do with the tool is
really the point. I can't think of anything a Windows user can do that a Mac user cannot.
Should the need ever arise (hopefully it won't!), just boot your Mac hardware into a Windows
operating system.
Just a side-note: when you hear the phrase about Macs and Apple software/hardware 'just
working', it refers to more than just being able to turn your device ON.
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nonseq says:
Sun Feb 21 07:55:43 PST 2010
payshunz said
PCMan4ever said
allstardeal79 said
ekeefe41 said
So here it is, the big mistake to make apple fall again. Back when the 1st
GUI based mac's came out the mistake was not letting 3rd party
hardware manufactures make mac's. Now they have a 5-6% market
share in PC's. This time around not only are they making the same
hardware issue for the iPhone (same as iPad OS), but that are also
closing the door to software developers. Not just a small one either....
Flash is something like 70% of online video content. I would sell Apple

disaterous for the company. They actually did let hardware developers do this
in the 90's but it nearly killed them. Hardware developers would create
extremely cheap macs that would be low quality and lousy, then no one would
probably buy a mac, which is how apple makes money, not their software.
They're not a microsoft, they have a high standard that every product has to
reach and every product has to "just work" which they do.
Hmm, I have built a few computers in my day that run Windows. Except for the
wires to the power light being backward, my computers "just work"ed when I turned
them on and installed Windows. I did not have to make sure that every piece of it
came from ONE maker and the operating system came from the SAME company.
computers. Try that with Apple and see how you get yourself. You have only one
choice of equipment to worry about.
And yet ANOTHER example of someone who knows nothing about a Mac sharing his
uninformed opinion with everyone. My desk and computer are littered with external hard
drives made or used by La Cie, Western Digital, Seagate, etc. etc, as well as a
Kensington trackball, HP webcam, Samsung monitors, ATI graphics card, Crucial
memory, Belkin USB hubs, Canon printer, HP photo printer, Sennheiser headphones,
Plantronics mike, Altec Lansing external speakers, oh yes, don't forget the MICROSOFT
keyboard. I feel sooooo limited by my choices of computer peripherals. No one expects
to be able to build an Apple from the ground up. No more than you would build your own
DELL from the ground up. But as far as having 0% chance of using any non-Apple
component with your Mac? That's just BS.
Let's not forget, though, that the computer is JUST A TOOL - what you do with the tool is
really the point. I can't think of anything a Windows user can do that a Mac user cannot.
Should the need ever arise (hopefully it won't!), just boot your Mac hardware into a
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Windows operating system.

Just a side-note: when you hear the phrase about Macs and Apple software/hardware
'just working', it refers to more than just being able to turn your device ON.
Amen
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payshunz says:
Sun Feb 21 08:04:58 PST 2010
"The last paragraph just shows what a lemming you are if you think Macs aren't vulnerable.
After all, Jobs seems to be going to great length to point out that Flash somehow makes OS X
vulnerable. But, but say it isn't so Stevie. You mean my Mac is vulnerable to attacks just like a
PC that would have cost me half the price?
Sorry, but I'm sick to death of all the fanboi fantasies about how great Apple products are. I've
owned lots of Apple products and they are no better than an equivalent PC. PCs allow you to
do just about anything. Macs will only do what Jobs allows you to do. If Apple products were
really worth the premium price, then why aren't Macs more reliable than PCs? They're not.
One recent study I read showed that Mac laptops were only the 3rd most reliable brand on the
market. So what are you paying for? A closed system and censorship. That's about it.
If Jobs truly believes what he's spewing about Flash, then he's retarded."
---------------------Do you even know what a lemming IS? The vile you spew seems to follow this 'lemming' idea
more than anything else. Steve Jobs is probably referring to how a memory-hog app like
Flash can cause your web browser to freeze or crash. Which isn't a vulnerability in the Mac
but rather a poorly designed app, like Flash for the Mac. How discussing a buggy app like
Flash ends up with you believing Steve is talking about a Mac being vulnerable to attacks truly
boggles the mind!
'I've owned lots of Apple products....' - NOW who's the lemming? By your statement alone I
see that at most you may have owned an old, first-generation iPod, probably a nano, and
nothing else. You obviously know little to nothing about Macs, hardware OR software, so why
pretend?
'A closed system and censorship' - WTF??? I only hope you do not represent the majority of
Windows users, as your ignorance is monumental in scope.
'Macs will only do what Jobs allows you to do' - you are one sad, sad, pathetic Windows user.
I swear, Windows users are more obsessed with Steve Jobs than Mac users! Of course,
Windows users merely rant insanely about Steve Jobs and Macs in general, whereas Mac
users love their machines and OS, not necessarily the man at the top.
After reading your comment the word 'retarded' DOES come to mind....
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JustLookingAround says:
Sun Feb 21 08:26:50 PST 2010
KLanD said
I love how Jobs always brings up flash video which makes up about 1% of what flash
can do. He purposely neglects to mention all the apps, games, websites, etc. produced
in flash that are not available on the Iphone/Ipod touch/IPad.
As for the reason Apple hates clones, it's simple, why buy an overpriced mac when you
can go buy (or build) a cheaper one. The only thing Apple has truly has going for it (in
the PC industry) is it's OS. If you were legally allowed to install it on a clone it would kill
their hardware market.
As a developer, I know as well as Jobs Flash is unnecessary 99.9% of the cases. It's old
technology and it's proprietary, plus you have open source alternatives to that part of Flash
that isn't video. Simply put, developers working with Flash are lazy. The problem is, Jobs
alternative, H.264 is also proprietary. Give me an open source alternative and I'll support it.
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Sun Feb 21 08:43:37 PST 2010
technicalhitman said
We all know the real reasons why Jobs is opposing Flash.

1. Apple has nothing like Flash. Adobe has Flash, Microsoft has Silverlight, Apache has
Pivot, and Oracle/Sun has JavaFX. So if you can't create it or beat it, try to squash it.
2. Flash takes away from Apple's control. Over 70% of content and many websites use
Flash. The links pull you away from that rigid control. It also opens up possibilities. It also
takes away from Google as well. You know what's interesting, the primary editors of
HTML 5 are Ian Hickson of Google, Inc. and David Hyatt of Apple, Inc. Nobody from
Microsoft, Sun, Adobe, Cisco Systems, or anyone else big with the Internet or standards
are editors. Sounds to me like vendor lock in to restrict choice.
3. When it's open to competition, Apple loses. During the clone era, Apple was getting
killed by Mac clones & Windows machines. When Vista was out, Apple made some good
gains at Windows expense. Windows 7 comes out and Apple actually loses
marketshare. People love choice not restrictions & Apple isn't the company of choice.
Apple takes away that choice, turns a computer into an appliance, & then says that their
solitary vision is the best. If that were true, how did we ever get past monarchy &
dictatorships?
The reaction to the iPad was negative because people were expecting a device that
takes the computing experience to the next level. What we got was Newton 2.0. A device
that cannot grow, be physically upgraded, or evolve such a full computer. A device that
has only one choice for all software through Apple. (Before you mention the App Store,
you can't get Apps outside of Apple's sphere without jail-breaking.) I think it was a great
reaction because people finally saw Apple for what they really are. A very rigidly closed,
totally proprietary, consumer electronics company which aims at turning the computer
into your toaster oven or your microwave.
I just think people especially Apple customers need to insist on choice. Processor
choice, graphics card choice, form factor choice, storage choice, peripheral choice, &
software choice. If Apple would work more with the consumer choice instead of against
it, I think people would like Apple more. I think this is why Windows 7 sells over 60
million copies in one quarter, becomes the fastest selling OS in history, because people
ultimately like having the freedom to make their own decisions.
Flash, Silverlight, etc. are proprietary plugins that are absolutely unnecessary for delivering
content to the Web and make the Web buggy and incompatible to all operating systems at
best. There are open source alternatives like HTML5 and even Java. Open source means
more reliable, more compatible with all operating systems, including mobile. Whoever who
wants to make a Web application and run it on the iPhone (or any other device) can use open
source technology. As an example, Google managed to run Google Latitude and Google
Voice as Web apps after Apple rejected them for their App Store.
Developers using proprietary plugins to run their Web applications are lazy and behind the
times. Microsoft wants you to use their proprietary Silverlight so you can only run it well on
their Internet Explorer. That's not only using the same techniques you don't like about Apple,
but using their monopolistic market share to impose their own thing. No one talks about how
Internet Explorer doesn't support HTML5 and CSS3 so they force people to use plugins. All
people whine is the iPad doesn't support Flash.
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Sun Feb 21 08:50:02 PST 2010
technicalhitman said
allstardeal79 said
ekeefe41 said
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manufactures make mac's. Now they have a 5-6% market share in PC's. This
time around not only are they making the same hardware issue for the iPhone
(same as iPad OS), but that are also closing the door to software developers.
Not just a small one either.... Flash is something like 70% of online video

disaterous for the company. They actually did let hardware developers do this in
the 90's but it nearly killed them. Hardware developers would create extremely
cheap macs that would be low quality and lousy, then no one would probably buy a
mac, which is how apple makes money, not their software. They're not a microsoft,
they have a high standard that every product has to reach and every product has to
"just work" which they do.
I'm going to call BS on that. Apple can clearly can set a clone system standard of
hardware. There are plenty of AMD processors that could run Apple's stuff just fine. You
can ban junky or craptastic peripheral & component makers. Apple could certify
hardware designed for it's OS & deny installation of non-approved hardware. The
problem is that they don't want too. Apple being the sole proprietor of hardware and
artificially inflating their hardware prices is how they make their bread and butter.
I'm also going to call BS on the "Just work" marketing. A lot of things for Snow Leopard,
DIDN'T JUST WORK out of the box. Infact, Leopard and Snow Leopard broke a lot of
things. Just as a lot of things didn't work when Apple transitioned from OS 9 to OS-X
10.0. Infact, just listening to many shows of Macbreak Weekly & The Tech Guy, I know
for a fact that Macs often times mess up without explanation. In some ways, Macs
malfunction in ways that Windows customers would never tolerate such as the flickering
screens on the brand new 27" iMacs, hard drives that malfunction in as little as 2 years,
& abandoning perfectly good systems such as the 2006 Power PC Macs. If Macs just
works, why does each and every Mac store offer training sessions, & a training package
known as One to One?
Let's dispense with the marketing jargon and get with the facts please? Thank you.
Where are your sources about Snow Leopard not functioning well out of the box? I'm a Snow
Leopard user, and it made my old Mac faster, plus liberated tons of hard drive space once I
installed it. I'm pretty sure it's the same experience people who upgraded from day one had.
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Sun Feb 21 08:59:31 PST 2010
hdv1 said
I like flash. I think it enables life on the internet. In the past I have noticed that my flash
experience was a bit sluggish. Has anybody else experienced this? Thankfully, Adobe
did update flash and now I have no problem. Really, I think that the capability of a
person's internet connection has a lot to do with a person's flash experience. (duh)
Fact: Flash is still sluggish. Their latest plugin is incompatible with previous Flash versions, so
they have to include a legacy runtime and the newer one. That's a no-go for mobile devices.
Flash mobile is a separate plugin that can't do what their latest desktop plugin can. I think if
people here were more educated about developing Web content they would understand how
Adobe is struggling to deliver the same Flash experience on all devices without draining all
their memory or processor resources. Flash is dying technology. If you want to make games
that run well on all platforms, learn Java. HTML5 is an exciting new technology that will make
the Web so much better. It just needs a little push to become standard and Apple is the one
that's doing it, as they have done with many technologies that are now standard (The Mouse,
WiFi, USB and a long etcetera).
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Sun Feb 21 09:10:28 PST 2010
Abrahmm said
I'm amazed that Jobs would just make up excuses for what is obvious to everyone.
Allowing flash but having it either not installed or disabled by default would remove any
of the "issues" from Apple to flash and give people the choice of whether those issues
were worth dealing with or not. But this has absolutely nothing to do with issues, this has
to do with Apple losing the ability to control every piece of content on the product. It's an
absolute joke that their new "revolutionary" internet device cannot even support one of
the most widely used internet languages.
I'm amazed that people actually buy products from this company.
Please learn what you're talking about. If Apple wanted to control all their content they would
also make their browsers incompatible with HTML5, which is a newer, more advanced
platform for developing Web apps. And guess who wants to control every piece of content on
the product? You see Internet Explorer? It doesn't support HTML5. Why? Microsoft is trying to
force you to develop with Silverlight. Since Internet Explorer has the lion's share of the Web,
they can force to use whatever standard they want, and limit you choices you don't even know
you had. Fortunately, you have the choice not to use Internet Explorer as your default
browser, same as you have the choice of not buying the iPad or the iPhone. In case you didn't
know, there's Android out there, which will probably run your beloved Flash someday.
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deomac8 says:
Sun Feb 21 10:41:47 PST 2010
Wow, what a bunch of childish arguments... Macs, pcs, whatever. These are simply tools to
accomplish a task. It's a choice of productivity. Whichever serves you and your pocket best.
Here's the main and most important fact about MACs: you're allowed to boot windows. You've
got both options in one machine. What's better than that?
I'm a PC user, even though windows is plagued by viruses and spyware, I have for the past
ten years used a windows machine and don't see myself switching around anytime soon. I
also use MACs on a daily basis at work, and when my boyfriend's macpro is on I'll use it as a
time saver. I have never had a virus problem, nor have I ever paid for antivirus software for
any windows machine I've owned.
It's my take that macs don't suffer from viruses simply because they're not that widespread. In
brazil a macpro goes for $6,000 american dollars (approximately 12,000 brazilian reals while
the average brazilian salary is a monthly 2,000 reals); a windows machine goes from 1,000 to
3,000 reals. Macs are clearly not a feasible buy for them...
I'm also a jailbroken-Iphone-3GS user simply because it is the best smartphone out there. I
accomplish tasks with it which I cannot with other systems. I'll be shopping for a new one this
june (waiting for the next gen Iphone to come out), and I'll probably get it; but when flash is out
for all the other platforms, and the Iphone does not get that update, I'll be selling it and buying
myself a windows 7 mobile or maybe an android. Whichever looks better at the time.
The main task I want to accomplish with my smarthphone is "movie watching." Hulu and all
the rest of flash movies and shows which you can find via google. That's what I want, and if
apple will not allow me to, then I'm done with the platform until html5 kicks in on all the 75% of
the web which uses flash.
My main problem with all of this is that just because html5 exists doesn't mean sites will switch
to it immediately or at all. I absolutely loved the Ipad and wondered how hulu and netflix would
look on it until I read the initial reviews that these sites would not work. The device, although
gorgeous, is not for me; and in my opinion, it is not the best browsing experience.
I've said this before, and I'll say it again. I prefer a two hour device with full access, than a 10
hour device which I cannot use fully. And I would much rather go into settings and turn flash
on/off than someone make that choice for me. Simply state that this setting will decrease
battery life. That's my choice to make. I don't hate apple for it, I simply will not keep buying
their phones year after year if the competition offers something better.
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I understand they want html5 to surpass flash, but claiming that their devices provide the best
web experience while a big part of the web is not shown is hypocrisy, if not false advertising.
Much like MS claiming internet explorer is the fastest browser. These claims are just not true.
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coolheart2010 says:
Sun Feb 21 12:13:00 PST 2010
ADAM the ipad KILLER:

specifications:
10-inch Pixel Qi transflective display, running at 1024 x 768. It seems like it comes in Android,
Ubuntu and Chrome OS flavours, and is powered by the Nvidia Tegra 2 chip, which runs at
1GHz and acts as both a CPU and graphics card in one. On the software front, you'll use
Firefox or Chrome to browse the Web, both of which support Adobe Flash. Notion Ink seems
at great pains to point out that you can multitask on it too.
It has HDMI-out and 3 USB ports, and can output video at 1080p resolution. There's a 3megapixel autofocusing camera and Notion Ink reckons it'll squeeze 16 hours of juice out of
its battery. In direct sunlight, with the backlight off, it should shoot up to 160 hours. There's WiFi, 3G, Bluetooth, a pile of sensors and accelerometers, GPS and an SD Card slot.
The company reckons it can get the device down to less than 1kg and a thickness of 14mm,
and it'll be priced starting at $327 and going up to $800,
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coolheart2010 says:
Sun Feb 21 12:19:28 PST 2010

specifications:
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coolheart2010 says:
Sun Feb 21 12:30:00 PST 2010

specifications:
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Savage says:
Sun Feb 21 12:55:33 PST 2010
This is OLD news from weeks ago. Sites rehash yesterday's stories so they show up on top of
search results for advertising revenue. It' doesn't make them look like legitimate journalists.
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dchu220 says:
Sun Feb 21 13:09:43 PST 2010
deomac8 said
I for one doubt his claims that flash would diminish battery life that much. From 10 hours
to 1.5 hours of use? Come on Jobs! Give me* the choice to enable or disable flash. I
think I would prefer a 2 hour device with the full internet. Call me crazy... but then again,
who would pay for itunes movies and shows when they're all over the net for free in flash
format?
I'm not going to argue with you about battery life because I don't know much about that, but I
do know that flash would not translate well into mobile platforms. Even flash lite doesn't render
modern post 2004 flash pages. Most flash pages are programmed with inputs that don't
translate onto touch platforms such as directional and keyboard keys, mouse hover-over, etc.
Flash was made for the desktop environment where power consumption is not a big issue and
people navigate with a keyboard and mouse.
Adobe has had 3 years to work on this problem and they haven't put the resources into
developing a solution yet. Flash Lite is basically a package of their older technology clumped
together. It doesn't address the movement towards touch interfaces on devices with limited
processing and battery power. All the companies that are marketing that their product will
have flash know this and are using it as a marketing tool to differentiate their product versus
Apple.
Just wait for all the flash enabled devices coming out later this year. You'll see that it simply
just doesn't work well. HTML 5 also has it's own problems and limitations but it's strength is in
efficiency, which is huge for the mobile environment.
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AEONYS says:
Sun Feb 21 15:56:31 PST 2010
Apple CEO Steve Jobs demonstrates the iPad at its introduction in January.
The Apple CEO also reportedly claimed the company's forthcoming iPad device would have a
battery life of just 1.5 hours if Gmail was enabled. Apple list's the iPad as having: "up to 10
hours of surfing the web on Wi-Fi, watching video or listening to music," running on the built-in
25Whr rechargeable lithium-polymer battery.
The report also quotes Jobs as dismissing Youtube h as "full of security holes," and "old
technology," suggesting The Wall Street Journal switch to mp4 video compression.
Jobs has a track record for bashing Google.
Referring to Google, Wired claims Jobs said: "They are lazy." Adding: "They have all this
potential to do interesting things but they just refuse to do it."
"Apple does not support Gmail because it is so buggy." Wired claims Jobs said 'according to a
person who was there who could not be named because this person is not authorised by
Apple to speak with the press.'
"Whenever a Mac crashes more often than not it's because of Gmail. No one will be using
Google, he says. The world is moving to Bing."
Please enter any other company hated by our nice Cupertino Guru to make your own opinion.
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DrClue says:
Sun Feb 21 19:38:51 PST 2010
Would we truly be happy to have but Toyota

to choose from as our car company?
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This is sorta the same thing that

we've faced with Adobe products like Flash,
in that in either case we suffer the crash.
Luckily with cars we have multiple choices,
which is what HTML5 brings to the table,
another approach to delivering animated
content and video along with other Rich Internet Applications.
The Flash dictatorship in these areas is
finally being addressed by open standards
that for years has been slow to respond.
The last remaining sticking point of
an open video standard is just about in
the bag with Google's recent acquisition
of On2 technologies, a maker of industry
leading vidseo CODEC technology (some of
which are used by Flash).
At one time even putting a picture on the
Internet was facing the threat of a single company levying thousands of dollars
in patent fees on web-sites that wanted to
put up a GIF image. The new video CODECs
acquired by Google will hopefully protect
us from the similar threat afforded by h.264 which is controlled in part by
(Microsoft)
To do just about anything with Rich
Internet Application development using
Flash you need to purchase tools from
Adobe, but with HTML5, no such tools are
required.
I for one and elated that Rich Internet
Development is being rested from the grip
of corporations and given back to the
people.
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JCip says:
Mon Feb 22 08:54:18 PST 2010
deomac8 said
I for one doubt his claims that flash would diminish battery life that much. From 10 hours
to 1.5 hours of use? Come on Jobs! Give me* the choice to enable or disable flash. I
think I would prefer a 2 hour device with the full internet. Call me crazy... but then again,
who would pay for itunes movies and shows when they're all over the net for free in flash
format?
As a programmer of computers and smartphones (iPhone for 4 years), my HTC with WM 6.1
uses a flash. Streaming video drains the battery quickly (and I have an extended battery).
How do I solve this problem and still use flash, I pop in a fresh battery from my pocket. Try
doing that with an iPhone. If you were a mechanical engineer and a surgeon, it would take
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you close to an hour to do a battery exchange on an Apple phone (and don't touch the wrong
contact....boom!). Who would like to see their phone's life drop to 2 hours or less and then
have to sit and wait for the phone to recharge. If Jobs supported flash on the iPad then what
would users of the iPhone say...there would be a lot of complaining. Sooo with no real choice,
Apple has decided to knock flash and with that Adobe.
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Griot28 says:
Mon Feb 22 13:35:26 PST 2010
payshunz said
mathion said
This is why I don't do anything Apple. They won't LET YOU DO ANYTHING YOU
MIGHT WANT TO DO. You can only do things THEY let you do.
From hardware to software and everything in between, Apple's rule is, it's OUR
stuff, not yours. We're letting you only do so much and no more. Don't touch under
the hood. Don't run prgrams you want to run unless we say it's okay first, and even
then, we may change our minds.
Screw Apple. Once Jobs leaves or dies (whichever occurs first), maybe they'll
figure out that if people buy something, they have a right to use it as they please reaping the benefits or consequences of those acts. In the meantime, I can still
build a better system that "just works" without once touching anything Apple.
You crack me up! From 'Apple won't let you do Nuthin!' to 'Don't run prgrams you
want....'! I must be in a terrible situation with my Mac which won't run anything unless I
clear it with Apple (sarcasm intended). You OBVIOUSLY don't know ANYTHING about
Macs (the majority of posters here, by the looks of it). If you DID you'd know you can
either boot straight into Windows or run any version of Windows in a virtual machine,
allowing you to run ANY Windows software you want (poor you if you're that dependent
on Windoze software). Preferably, I just run Windows in a Virtual Machine (just because
I CAN, NOT because I need to). The nice part of this is that I can leave all the virus
checking, security fixing, rebooting, rootkit-clearing, malware-avoiding problems in this
virtual machine when I return to the Mac's OS.
As for Apple not having it's own Silverlight or Flash, I'd like to point out that these are
proprietary software. One less proprietary way of doing things is good, isn't it?
'I'm going to call BS on that. Apple can clearly can set a clone system standard of
hardware.' - History kind of tells us otherwise.
'I'm also going to call BS on the "Just work" marketing.' - Yet another example of
someone who knows nothing about Apple and its products, other than what he's read in
some Mac-bashing tech site. As far as hardware/software issues with Macs, yes they
exist, as exhibited by all things made by man. The horror stories I've read about Vista
and Windows 7 (Vista SP2?) tell me Microsoft has MORE than its share of such
problems.
'If Macs just works, why does each and every Mac store offer training sessions, & a
training package known as One to One? ' - Macs DO just work. Unfortunately, the Mac
USER sometimes needs help. Significantly LESS help than any Windows user I know,
but nonetheless...
'why buy an overpriced mac when you can go buy (or build) a cheaper one' - Look at
how Dell is doing (the KING of making cheap, cheap machines) and then complain about
'overpriced' Macs. Apple is doing FANTASTIC, by the way.
You DO realize no one is FORCED to use Macs, right? If you don't like them, don't use
them. But if you don't use them (which applies to the majority of posters here) why bitch
so vehemently against them? There are people who own and love using Macs, then
there are the Windows users who for unknown reasons despise the people who own and
love using Macs. Nowhere do I see the Windows users who love using Windows-running
PCs (except on Microsoft commercials). While there are many, many people who own
Windows machines, I find very, very, very few people who love using these machines,
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just ones who love hating Mac users. Strange and sad.
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Griot28 says:
Mon Feb 22 13:41:06 PST 2010
Griot28 said
payshunz said
mathion said
This is why I don't do anything Apple. They won't LET YOU DO ANYTHING
YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO. You can only do things THEY let you do.
From hardware to software and everything in between, Apple's rule is, it's
OUR stuff, not yours. We're letting you only do so much and no more. Don't
touch under the hood. Don't run prgrams you want to run unless we say it's
okay first, and even then, we may change our minds.
Screw Apple. Once Jobs leaves or dies (whichever occurs first), maybe they'll
figure out that if people buy something, they have a right to use it as they
please - reaping the benefits or consequences of those acts. In the meantime,
I can still build a better system that "just works" without once touching
anything Apple.
You crack me up! From 'Apple won't let you do Nuthin!' to 'Don't run prgrams you
want....'! I must be in a terrible situation with my Mac which won't run anything
unless I clear it with Apple (sarcasm intended). You OBVIOUSLY don't know
ANYTHING about Macs (the majority of posters here, by the looks of it). If you DID
you'd know you can either boot straight into Windows or run any version of
Windows in a virtual machine, allowing you to run ANY Windows software you want
(poor you if you're that dependent on Windoze software). Preferably, I just run
Windows in a Virtual Machine (just because I CAN, NOT because I need to). The
nice part of this is that I can leave all the virus checking, security fixing, rebooting,
rootkit-clearing, malware-avoiding problems in this virtual machine when I return to
the Mac's OS.
As for Apple not having it's own Silverlight or Flash, I'd like to point out that these
are proprietary software. One less proprietary way of doing things is good, isn't it?
'I'm going to call BS on that. Apple can clearly can set a clone system standard of
hardware.' - History kind of tells us otherwise.
'I'm also going to call BS on the "Just work" marketing.' - Yet another example of
someone who knows nothing about Apple and its products, other than what he's
read in some Mac-bashing tech site. As far as hardware/software issues with Macs,
yes they exist, as exhibited by all things made by man. The horror stories I've read
about Vista and Windows 7 (Vista SP2?) tell me Microsoft has MORE than its
share of such problems.
'If Macs just works, why does each and every Mac store offer training sessions, & a
training package known as One to One? ' - Macs DO just work. Unfortunately, the
Mac USER sometimes needs help. Significantly LESS help than any Windows user
I know, but nonetheless...
'why buy an overpriced mac when you can go buy (or build) a cheaper one' - Look
at how Dell is doing (the KING of making cheap, cheap machines) and then
complain about 'overpriced' Macs. Apple is doing FANTASTIC, by the way.
You DO realize no one is FORCED to use Macs, right? If you don't like them, don't
use them. But if you don't use them (which applies to the majority of posters here)
why bitch so vehemently against them? There are people who own and love using
Macs, then there are the Windows users who for unknown reasons despise the
people who own and love using Macs. Nowhere do I see the Windows users who
love using Windows-running PCs (except on Microsoft commercials). While there
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are many, many people who own Windows machines, I find very, very, very few
people who love using these machines, just ones who love hating Mac users.
Strange and sad.
I love how mac guys alway use the fact that they can boot into windows. Its funny. Microsoft is
a software company and can careless if you buy the pc if you are still buying the OS. And i
love how people use this as a selling point. Its not apple letting you run windows on your mac
but it is apple not letting you run os x on a pc. Think about it. Microsoft lets windows run on
any machine you can build so why wouldn't it work on a mac. Apple doesn't want any one
using os x cause if they did no one would buy a mac. I have no issues with windows or mac.
You should be left to decided what you want to use. I do have a problem with apples business
model and as the market share grows so will the problems. Like the problem Microsoft was
having by including IE on its os. Don't think that won't happen to mac for only suppling safari.
Don't think apple will get away with suing companies making mac machines as the market
grows and the monopoly is more apparent. Apple makes good products yes, but don't let that
pull the wool over your eyes at their shady dealings. In my opinion apple is no better the
Microsoft when it comes to being shady.
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KLanD says:
Wed Feb 24 13:06:49 PST 2010
asusean2002 said
along just fine.
Apple in the past has been plagued with just as many hardware issues as the next guy.
Google it.
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KLanD says:
Wed Feb 24 13:27:04 PST 2010
JustLookingAround said
KLanD said
I love how Jobs always brings up flash video which makes up about 1% of what
flash can do. He purposely neglects to mention all the apps, games, websites, etc.
produced in flash that are not available on the Iphone/Ipod touch/IPad.
As for the reason Apple hates clones, it's simple, why buy an overpriced mac when
you can go buy (or build) a cheaper one. The only thing Apple has truly has going
for it (in the PC industry) is it's OS. If you were legally allowed to install it on a clone
it would kill their hardware market.
As a developer, I know as well as Jobs Flash is unnecessary 99.9% of the cases. It's old
technology and it's proprietary, plus you have open source alternatives to that part of
Flash that isn't video. Simply put, developers working with Flash are lazy. The problem
is, Jobs alternative, H.264 is also proprietary. Give me an open source alternative and I'll
support it.
Correction.. Developers who don't use flash properly and cause it to screw up are lazy.
Again, all you bring up is video..
I to am a developer and to do what I do with one App (flash) I would have to learn CSS,
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HTML, Java, PHP, etc.. etc.. Just cause your too lazy to learn the ins and outs of the software
doesn't mean it's bad. Oh, and the latest flash video uses the H.264 codec.
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Verti says:
Sun Apr 11 22:45:59 PDT 2010
Does Jobs have depression or something?? Why is it so important for this company to control
EVEN MORE of what their users can do???
For one thing he is the MOST SELFISH person in this whole wide world. Jobs sounds like he
can only sell Macs to people he can brain-wash then control their minds.
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