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IN RE:
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GARLOCK SEALING TECHNOLOGIES )
LLC, et al,
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Debtors.
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_____________________________)
CONFIDENTIAL PORTIONS
INCLUDED
No. 10-BK-31607
VOLUME V-B
AFTERNOON SESSION
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TRANSCRIPT OF ESTIMATION TRIAL
BEFORE THE HONORABLE GEORGE R. HODGES
UNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY JUDGE
JULY 26, 2013
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APPEARANCES:
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On Behalf of Debtors:
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APPEARANCES (Continued):
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APPEARANCES (Continued.):
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Coltec Industries Inc.:
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Creditor Committees:
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Official Committee of Asbestos Personal Injury Claimants:
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Washington, DC 20005
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DEBTORS' WITNESSES
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LESTER BRICKMAN
Cross Examination By Mr. Inselbuch
Redirect Examination By Mr. Cassada
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E X H I B I T S
DEBTORS' EXHIBITS
NUMBER
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GST0661
GST1127
GST1128
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THE COURT:
MR. INSELBUCH:
THE COURT:
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Okay.
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Okay.
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MR. INSELBUCH:
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THE COURT:
May I proceed?
Yes.
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LESTER BRICKMAN
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BY MR. INSELBUCH:
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Professor Brickman, you assert that one of the reasons why you
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products.
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several occasions.
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the client has in hand proof of its claim against the bankrupt
entity.
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exposure and that the client has a claim -- well, that he's a
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My contention --
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if he has to?
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debtor and that that exposure caused his disease and that he
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is owed damages.
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proof.
He has a claim.
And when you say -- what you mean by good faith, does
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proof.
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Well --
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Judith Fitzgerald?
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I did.
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All right.
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that would support the notion that when a client's name is put
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on a 2019 form, the client should have some proof of the claim
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ultimately to be manifested?
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But I would
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state what I state they stated, and I'd be happy to point that
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inconsistency?
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Well, let's see what Judge Fitzgerald said and then you
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Ah, 95.
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some bar dates, but I've also seen several bankruptcies where
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I've seen
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injury claims.
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MR. INSELBUCH:
out loud.
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exposure may or may not have current claims and may or may not
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For example, an
In
Thus,
Nonetheless,
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allowed.
They are not claims and are not affirmative statements by the
clients themselves.
fail to file the statements (or exclude a client who has not
If they
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Okay.
"In the
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We explained:
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case.
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That's it.
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then the only decision that claimants have made, the clients
and the lawyer for those clients, is whether or not they have
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I assume so.
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2019 form.
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the lawyer include that client's name in the 2019 form or not
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Well, okay.
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attached.
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I'm sorry?
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liability."
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says.
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The ballot is a certification by -I'm not asking you whether they have a claim.
I'm asking
It's an
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have a claim.
statement.
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If you're a creditor,
If you're owed money, you
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have had that evidence and they denied it in the tort system.
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No.
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What are you saying, then, about the proof of claim form?
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debtor.
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inconsistent.
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who made the product that rained on their head, but their
lawyer can figure out who probably did and says he has a good
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question.
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Let me respond.
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I think that's a
Two possibilities.
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He knows it
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injunction.
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people who have on hand proof that they were exposed to our
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products.
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dollars, et cetera.
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So they can't be
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of the debtor.
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Really?
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counsel.
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plaintiffs.
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protected.
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claimants who are not yet identified because they have not
manifested with disease and so that's why you have the special
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I don't know.
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votes?
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any debtor who tried to have the definition of the class that
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of this plan, the people that are voting have proof in hand of
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Okay.
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-- in Owens Corning.
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Q.
MR. CASSADA:
Which claim?
MR. INSELBUCH:
Trust claims.
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mean.
claim; and when they didn't tell people that in the tort
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About what?
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Do you want me to
All right.
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inform the defendant that he's filed this proof of claim form.
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form, the tort defendant would have learned something that the
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I think you
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Could you --
Site lists.
Oh, site list.
I'm sorry.
Site lists.
Thank you.
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Yes.
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Sorry.
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no opinion on that.
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I simply have
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and future.
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that will then one by one work their way through these claims
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going on?
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context.
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All right.
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Garlock.
concede that.
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Is that right?
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he filed.
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against AC&S.
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representation.
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Garlock.
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Okay.
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I presume so.
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produced?
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Oh, yeah.
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list.
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Some of the
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equipment afterwards.
saw the block insulation, as well as mix dry mud with water
for application.
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Most of the
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is that right?
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exposed to?
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questions.
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THE COURT:
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That's 1 and 2.
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renumber them.
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senior than I.
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"Section 7:
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"Exposure site 1.
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It's GST0677.
site name:
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All right.
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Okay?
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Sure.
May I approach?
Yes.
Thank you.
Uh-huh.
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Okay.
We've been
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Mr. Magee.
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Mr. Magee.
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THE WITNESS:
Okay.
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it?
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Thank you.
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product.
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one.
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I think if you check the memorandum you got from Mr. Cassada's
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disclosure.
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Yes.
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All right.
that Mr. Taylor filed with the Owens Corning Fiberboard Trust.
And again, let's look at the page stamped at the bottom Waters
01572.
Now, you know that the Owens Corning and the Fiberboard
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website."
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the same page from the form on which is inscribed "Site code
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Is that the
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that question?
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It's your exhibit.
Sure.
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May I approach?
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Yes, sir.
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THE WITNESS:
Thank you.
That is the proof of
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is there?
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you're --
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Exposure, yes.
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documents back?
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before.
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trust claims?
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system.
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case report.
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interrogatories.
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trying to be helpful.
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I guess this
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admissible?
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admissible.
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history.
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The plaintiff.
In that case report is what the
plaintiff says?
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Perhaps I'm
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file.
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of documents.
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All right.
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"When you were doing your repairs on the pumps aboard the
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Now, the trust form for Babcock and Wilcox, now at his
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Machinist mate."
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discovery?
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answer is yes.
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want to.
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arguing with you.
I'm not
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I'm just
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louder.
All right.
and Yarway.
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one copy.
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Let's talk about his proof of claim form filed with USG.
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This is GST5492.
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Virginia."
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claim form.
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What?
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Okay.
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Okay.
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I'm confused.
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I'm going to give you back B&W and USG, and I'm
Isn't it true that
There are
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If it is a response to interrogatories --
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Yeah.
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Yes.
If it's a response to
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Is there
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against (inaudible).
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the question.
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THE WITNESS:
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Okay.
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you can.
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Okay.
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entire exercise?
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I don't think I
In any event,
But I haven't
Do you have some estimate how much you'll be paid for the
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I don't know.
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$925 an hour.
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not?
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Generally not.
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Gross.
THE COURT:
MR. GUY:
All right.
Mr. Guy.
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Okay.
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I'm sure.
Mr. Cassada.
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REDIRECT EXAMINATION
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BY MR. CASSADA:
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exposures.
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Now --
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you know that Texas has a Rule of Civil Procedure that says a
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claim.
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product or products.
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likely, deceitful.
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it was the Stoeckler case involving the Waters and Kraus firm.
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I did read
Yes.
It was discovered
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effect.
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language of the trust claim when you file a work site claim
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see that?
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ended?
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Yes, it does.
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site and you're using the site itself to prove that point?
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product.
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Is that the identical form with the same language and the
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knowledge?
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signed 14 affidavits.
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Here's an affidavit.
Mr. Golini
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a formulaic term.
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Yes.
Do
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plaintiff themself --
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the pipes when you were at the shipyard at any location down
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Nicknames?
Yeah, names of companies or did you ever hear
of Kaylo?
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well, correct?
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"Huh-uh, no."
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at his deposition.
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I'm sorry --
Could you --
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district court.
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correct?
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MR. CASSADA:
And coached.
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allotted.
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trust to a claimant.
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specific claimant?
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claim, does the claimant still have to prove that they were
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Yes.
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file a lawsuit.
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Yes.
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lawyers.
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Effectively, yes.
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that --
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That's true.
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MR. CASSADA:
Okay.
I'll have the witness identify them.
All right.
They've all been identified so far in
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his testimony.
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evidence.)
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Exhibit H.
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page.
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pretrial conference.
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exhibits.
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No objection.
Okay.
All right.
3:30.
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CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER
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above-entitled matter.
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s/Cheryl A. Nuccio
Cheryl A. Nuccio, RMR-CRR
Official Court Reporter
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