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#2357 - 12/28/04 01:24 AM

Reaction Loads Due

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Rajesh
Hi,
Malhotra I would like to have your opinion for
the reaction loads to be considered or
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indusrty practise followed to calculate
reaction forces for inline disc rupture.
We are considering the total axial force
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as dP * Pipe Area * 2 ( Dynamic
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Amplification Factor ) but it's leading to
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very high reaction forces for which we
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have to design our stop.
Appreciate a quick response on this.
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#2358 - 01/04/05 09:27 AM

Re: Reaction Loads

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Hello Rajesh.
SUPERPIPER I myself have only just asked the
same question
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Ie. if F=2pa from manufacturer,

(a)
then,
is f(dyn)=2(2pa) ie:- (4pa)?
the replies i recieved would seem
to conflict each other, although
after re-reading my original
question, i was a little unclear.
My particular manufacturer bases
f=2pa on 'bernoulli' and states the
assumption that all the potential

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energy is to be transformed into

kinetic energy. he does not
mention a dynamic load factor.
So according to Mr Luf, F(dyn) =
4pa.
and according to mr Wilcox F(dyn)
= 2pa.
the '2' term in eq (a) just happens
to be a part of bernoulli and is not
a DLF
I would also appreciate clarity on
this.
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#2359 - 01/07/05 01:09 PM

Re: Reaction Loads

Due to Disc Rupture

Jim
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SP; I'm not sure that Mr. Luf argued in

support of 4PA, and I'm not sure that
Bernoulli helps us out here, but I agree
that the potential energy is converted
to kinetic. This is what makes the
system move/accellerate. If you place a
weight on a spring, the static
displacement is F/K. Applying the same
weight load 'instantly' and equating the
'work done' by the displacement of the
weight with the 'energy stored' in the
spring gives us:
WX = KX^2/2
2W = KX (twice the static weight load)
resulting in twice the static
displacement maganitude when the
load is applied dynamically.
Put in 100 N, get a maximum dynamic
response equivalent to 200 N applied
statically.
Our force is PA, and we can get as
much as 2PA equivalent out.
I believe that this is what the

manufacturer is addressing; their 2 is

the DLF.
Rajesh; the PA loads can be very
significant indeed. Here's one example:
a CAESAR II user reported that an inline 10" relief valve on a pipeline
bypass opened with 530 psi upstream.
The PA load computes to about 41,750
lbf before consideration of the DLF of 2,
resulting in the equivalent of about
83,500 lbf applied statically. A number
like that does sound hard to believe,
but CAESAR's time-history analysis
predicted minus 8 inches of movement
in one direction, followed by +3.5
inches in the opposite direction and the
damage resulting from this in-line relief
valve opening supported the analysis
completely.
Note that even with large loads, your
DLF will not necessarily be 2; it may
even be much less than 1. It depends
on the speed of application of the load,
the duration of the load and the piping
system characteristics. If the load
duration is very short, you may have a
low system response. If the load
duration is long and is quickly applied,
you're likely to see a DLF of 2 for most
relevant frequencies.
To investigate your case, you could use
CAESAR's DLF generator to determine
the DLF curve for your force-time
profile. This will tell you what the
corresponding DLF is likely to be for
each natural frequency of your system.
Run the Modal analysis & use the mode
shapes to help determine the natural
frequencies that are likely to be excited
by the load and match them up on the
DLF curve. This will tell you what type
of DLF(s) your system is likely to see.
I wouldn't typically go to this much
trouble; if I have a force-time profile
and a CAESAR model, it is quite simple
to enter the force-time data, perform a
time-history analysis & see how the
system is likely to respond.
Hope this helps.

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#2360 - 01/08/05 12:33 AM

Re: Reaction Loads

Due to Disc Rupture

Rajesh
Dear Jim and SP,
Malhotra Thanks for your valuable response.
However, I have a doubt. Since the
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dynamic loads are occuring due to
instant rupture of the in-line disc, is it
OK to treat it like the response we
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would typically get for a relief valve? I
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mean the time history analysis and
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calculation of DLF.
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#2361 - 01/10/05 12:36 AM

Re: Reaction Loads

Due to Disc Rupture

Jim
Wilcox
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RM; to your question: "OK to treat it

like the response we would typically get
for a relief valve?"
I say yes; the differences are that:
1) a relief valve will close after some
time, while the rupture disc does not.
2) The ramp-up time for the load will
be faster in a rupture disc, as the disc
will rupture faster than the valve will
open.
Other than this, I see no difference
from CAESAR's perspective.
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