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In The Matter Of:

In Re: Palmetto Pipeline


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PUBLIC HEARING
IN RE: PALMETTO PIPELINE

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March 12, 2015
5:00 p.m.

Hampton Inn

128 Venture Drive

Brunswick, Georgia

Deborah K. Lingonis, RPR, CCR 2883

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1 APPEARANCES:
2 On behalf of Kinder Morgan:
3 JONATHON CHALLY, ESQ.
4 King & Spalding
5 1180 Peachtree Street, N.E.
6 Atlanta, Georgia 30309
7 404.572.4705
8 On behalf of Kinder Morgan:
9 ALLEN FORE
10 Vice President, Public Affairs
11 Kinder Morgan
12 3250 Lacey Road, Suite 700
13 Downers Grove, Illinois 60515
14 630.725.3044
15 allen_fore@kindermorgan.com
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17 BRIAN S. WILLIAMS, P.E.
18 Director - Engineering
19 Kinder Morgan
20 1000 Windward Concourse, Suite 450
21 Alpharetta, Georgia 30005
22 770.751.4248
23 brian_williams@kindermorgan.com
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1 SWAIN M. GUZZARDI
2 Senior Agent II - Land & ROW
3 Kinder Morgan
4 1000 Windward Concourse, Suite 450
5 Alpharetta, Georgia 30005
6 770.751.4248
7 swain_guzzardi@kindermorgan.com
8 On behalf of Georgia Department of Transportation:
9 (Not present)
10 Michael J. Bolden
11 State Utilities Engineer
12 Georgia Department of Transportation
13 600 West Peachtree Street, N.W.
14 10th Floor
15 Atlanta, Georgia 30308
16 404.631.1354
17 mbolden@dot.ga.cov
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1 MR. CHALLY: We're going to go ahead and get


2 started. Okay. Thank you all for coming this evening.
3 My name is Jon Chally. I'm with King and Spalding
4 which is a law firm, and with me in front are Brian
5 Williams and Allen Fore both with Kinder Morgan.
6 We're here this evening to talk to you about
7 the Palmetto Pipeline Project. Palmetto Products
8 Pipeline has filed an application with the Department
9 of Transportation seeking a certificate of public
10 convenience and necessity from the DOT.
11 The DOT has asked us to get comment from the
12 public, and so that's why we're here to hold this
13 public comment meeting to give you all an opportunity
14 to learn more about the project and to comment on it.
15 You can provide comment on the project in a
16 handful of ways. You can send me written comment and I
17 will then pass that on to the Department of
18 Transportation. You can also comment tonight. We have
19 a court reporter here who is taking down, transcribing
20 what we say here so that it's made of public record and
21 can be provided to the Department of Transportation.
22 And then if you don't want to make a public
23 comment, that's fine and you just have a question, you
24 can ask that after the public portion of our meeting
25 where our folks will be around to answer any questions
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1 that you might have.


2 Okay. So here's what we'll do this evening.
3 We're going to have a short presentation that will
4 describe for you some basics about the project, who we
5 are, what we do. And then we'll open it up for comment
6 and questions. With that I'll hand it over to Allen.
7 MR. FORE: Thanks, Jon. I appreciate you
8 folks coming out tonight. I'm Allen Fore,
9 vice-president with Kinder Morgan, and Brian Williams,
10 our project manager and director of engineering for
11 Kinder Morgan.
12 And tonight we'll be telling you a little bit
13 about our company and our project and what we do and
14 what we plan to do and our proposed project. And we
15 want this to certainly be an exchange and a dialogue
16 and look forward to your questions at the conclusion of
17 our presentation.
18 This is the fifth of some public meetings
19 we've had on the project and is the beginning of what
20 we hope is a good dialogue from stakeholders from
21 landowners to elected officials and others that are
22 part of this process of constructing energy
23 infrastructure.
24 We have a long history of operating
25 infrastructure in Georgia and the southeast, and this
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1 is really a expansion of what we already have. Our


2 footprint extends across North America. We are
3 primarily a pipeline transportation company.
4 We transport product from one place to
5 another, natural gas or refined products, our two
6 primary businesses, refined products being gasoline and
7 diesel primarily. And that's the project we're talking
8 about tonight is an extension of an existing system we
9 have called the Plantation pipeline system.
10 This pipeline system originates in the Gulf
11 area and transports refined product, that's gasoline,
12 diesel and jet fuel, from the area where it's refined
13 to Georgia and other parts of the country.
14 It's one of the primary transportation systems
15 for refined products, so it's providing, for example,
16 jet fuel to Hartsfield International Airport and Reagan
17 National Airport just a couple of airports to many
18 military bases around the project route and providing
19 gasoline and diesel to retailers who deliver it to gas
20 stations that you use to fill up your vehicles.
21 So a very important transportation system
22 currently transporting refined products about 600,000
23 barrels a day to the southeastern and the eastern
24 United States. Again, already in service this pipeline
25 is a major provider of these products to the State of
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1 Georgia as well as the other states represented along


2 the map.
3 So the pipeline in black here is in red here
4 (indicating) that will show the extension of this
5 pipeline system into our Palmetto Pipeline. That's the
6 proposal that Brian is going to walk through with you
7 tonight.
8 As you can see, it begins here in Belton,
9 South Carolina, and terminates in Jacksonville with
10 offloads in Augusta and Savannah along the line
11 delivering additional product, refined product to the
12 area and providing a major source of that that
13 currently doesn't exist today.
14 I mentioned that our company has extensive
15 experience in Georgia operating pipeline about 3,000
16 miles of pipeline currently. This map represents where
17 our pipeline systems currently are, and they are both
18 natural gas and refined products pipelines that cover
19 in some way parts of 85 counties currently in the
20 state.
21 So that's important because in order for the
22 greatest example of what a company does and how they do
23 it is to look at how they currently operate their
24 businesses in the state.
25 And you can take a look at what we do and
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1 we've done for many of these years safely and


2 successful here in the state. A pretty significant
3 employee base as well, about 315 employees and annual
4 taxes we pay and this project will expand upon those
5 two key points. And here in Glynn County as well our
6 southern natural gas system is represented as well.
7 So Jon mentioned that this is the start of a
8 process and many processes are part of the proposed
9 construction of pipelines, and we're just at the
10 beginning of the process. So we propose projects.
11 The way we look at projects is we need to
12 design projects that meet two key components. One is a
13 commercial certainty. In other words, you have
14 customers that are going to shift product on your
15 pipeline from the moment that it's in service. So we
16 need to know that in fact this pipeline is needed and
17 that's shown by shippers, customers agreeing to ship
18 product.
19 We're very much like a tollway, so our piece
20 is the transportation piece. It's not the ownership of
21 the product, the refined products of gasoline, diesel
22 or ethanol. We simply transport. So companies have
23 signed up already to transport on this pipeline that
24 will indicate to us that it is worth the billion dollar
25 investment that this project consists of.
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1 So that's the first piece. The second piece


2 is the regulatory piece, making sure that we can design
3 a project. Brian and the engineers on his team have
4 designed a project that can meet and exceed the very
5 rigorous federal and state standards that are part of
6 pipeline construction.
7 The Army Corps of Engineers, the Fish and
8 Wildlife Service, the state agencies in Georgia, South
9 Carolina and Florida, we have to get permits from all
10 of them. We don't have those today. We're just in the
11 beginning application process.
12 So everything we're talking about today is a
13 proposed project very early in the stage. It's just
14 starting the public dialogue process that will extend
15 over several months as we move further along in the
16 process of securing those permits. And Brian will talk
17 to you about the schedule in just a moment.
18 So our project, it's a big project, a billion
19 dollar project, and it's intended to bring additional,
20 much needed refined products supplied to the region.
21 But it also is a very interactive process.
22 And we want tonight to be the start of an
23 inactive dialogue with communities, and we want to
24 build and operate this project with the same effort and
25 care and community partnerships that we have in our
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1 other 3,000 miles of pipe that we have in the State of


2 Georgia.
3 Brian.
4 MR. WILLIAMS: Thank you. I'm Brian Williams,
5 engineering director with Kinder Morgan based out of
6 the Atlanta office. Can you folks in the back hear me?
7 Yes, no? Okay. Thank you.
8 All right. Allen mentioned that this pipeline
9 that we're proposing is an extension of an existing
10 pipeline system, the Plantation pipeline system. He
11 also mentioned the overall dollar amount which is about
12 1 billion dollars in total.
13 And within that total budget it covers
14 modifications to the existing Plantation pipeline
15 system, which is mostly adding pumps to the existing
16 pipeline and then building this new 360-mile pipeline
17 which would go from Belton, South Carolina through
18 Augusta to Savannah outside of Savannah and then on
19 down to Jacksonville.
20 As Allen mentioned part of the process here is
21 to make sure that we have a project that makes
22 commercial sense. And we conducted what is called an
23 open season with potential customers for the project
24 beginning back in the summer, and we wrapped up in late
25 October.
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1 And during that open season what we do is we


2 say we think that this is an idea that we have, does it
3 make sense to you folks? And if it does make sense,
4 are you to the point where you would sign a document, a
5 transportation services agreement that says we commit
6 to ship on this pipeline if it's built?
7 And we received sufficient commitments from
8 customers to go forward with the project. The project
9 is sized as you see here for up to 167,000 barrels a
10 day of gasoline and diesel, and it would also move to
11 ethanol through the pipe. We expect the initial
12 startup capacity to be about 150,000 barrels a day to
13 serve those markets.
14 And again these three markets, Augusta,
15 Savannah and Jacksonville, are the three markets that
16 the customers are specifically interested in. So we've
17 concluded that process. We're working on design and
18 permitting right now and are conducting meetings,
19 public meetings.
20 We've laid out a initial route that's depicted
21 on the diagrams that you picked up on the table and
22 also on some of the posters in the back. And for any
23 of you who are interested, we'll have some folks up
24 here in the front with more detailed route maps that
25 actually show the route on Google Earth type aerial
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1 maps, if you're interested in finding out where your


2 property may be in relation to the proposed route.
3 One of the things that is underway right now
4 is that we have right-of-way agents who have been out
5 and may have contacted some of you folks seeking
6 permission to come onto your property to survey along
7 this intended route. And that's the first step for
8 evaluating a route and making sure that that route
9 makes sense and it's the best route we can use.
10 The route that we have laid out we tried to
11 lay out to minimize impact on people and communities.
12 We did that by co-locating the route or designing the
13 route so it is adjacent to existing utility corridors
14 as much as possible, and right now about a little over
15 80 percent of that route is alongside an existing
16 pipeline right-of-way or power line right-of-way.
17 Well, we'll look on a map in a moment, but
18 most of that is alongside from Belton to Augusta that
19 is alongside an existing pipeline right-of-way, and we
20 would anticipate buying new easement right adjacent to
21 that existing easement rather than striking out on
22 brand new cross-country areas.
23 And then from Augusta, a little bit south of
24 Augusta to most of the way towards Savannah is on
25 Georgia powerline easement or adjacent to that. And
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1 then outside of Savannah there's a little bit that's


2 adjacent to a CSX railroad track and back on some
3 powerline.
4 And then for most of the way from that point
5 north of Richmond Hill almost all the way to the west
6 side of Jacksonville is alongside an existing pipeline
7 called the Cypress natural gas pipeline. So again our
8 goal was to minimize impact on folks.
9 And we have these survey crews going out that
10 I mentioned, and those crews started about a week and a
11 half ago. Behind those folks once they stake out where
12 this centerline of the proposed route is, we have
13 another set of crews th t are starting about right now.
14 And those are crews that have biologists on
15 them to look for threatened and endangered species
16 signs through that area, and we have cultural resources
17 experts and archeologists and such and we also have
18 wetlands experts that will be going along. That's also
19 part of this routing process.
20 And one of the things we find is sometimes we
21 find something that causes us to adjust the route. We
22 had one of those just here in the last few weeks up in
23 Screven County. We found that the Georgia Power
24 easement goes right through a revolutionary war
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1 And once we learned that and we learned that


2 this is essentially a pristine area, that battlefield
3 has not been fully defined. It's not been built upon
4 or desecrated in any way, so in talking with the local
5 folks there we found another route around that so that
6 we will avoid the battlefield. And those are the kind
7 of things that we do when trying to sight a pipeline.
8 We expect that we will wrap up a lot of this
9 permitting type work, the exploration and investigation
10 for endangered and threatened species and such,
11 sometime early this summer and we will be filing the
12 requisite permits we need to with the state and federal
13 agencies.
14 And then we anticipate starting construction
15 in the spring of 2016 with the pipeline becoming
16 operational in July of 2017. There's a note down here
17 at the bottom that says there will be additional
18 facilities built along the pipeline.
19 At Belton, South Carolina, we're in the
20 process of acquiring a piece of property from a former
21 terminal operator and we'll be building a tank farm
22 there where we will receive products from the
23 Plantation pipeline. So there will be tanks built to
24 handle the various grades of gasoline and diesel fuel
25 and there will be one grade of diesel fuel, and it is
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1 the ultra low sulphur on-the-road highway grade of


2 diesel.
3 There also will be a small tank for handling
4 ethanol, denatured ethanol. Everybody is probably
5 aware that we now blend ethanol at the rate of 10
6 percent in our gasoline. Nobody has heard of that?
7 Yeah, everybody is aware of that. Okay. And right now
8 all of that gasoline gets into the retail communities
9 either by tank or truck or rail car with one exception.
10 There's a pipeline in Florida that moves
11 ethanol by a pipeline from Tampa over to Orlando, and
12 we're looking at moving some of that from Belton, South
13 Carolina, where it's off-loaded from rail to these
14 markets here. And we think it's a better way to move
15 ethanol to the markets where it's blended on site, you
16 know, at the truck terminals to go to the retail
17 outlets. So that's up at Belton.
18 About roughly a 90-mile spacing there will be
19 pump stations built, so there will be an additional
20 three pump stations built. We're right now finalizing
21 those locations. That's based on hydraulic
22 calculations and we're still working through some of
23 those right now.
24 Those sites -- we'll look at a photo here in a
25 moment -- but those sites are typically two to
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1 five-acre sites and we buy those in fee. So we would


2 actually buy a piece of ground and put the pump station
3 there rather than buying an easement from someone.
4 Here's the route we've seen that we've talked
5 about a bit. These are the counties that the route
6 passes through. Again, we have some higher level maps
7 available if you'd like to stay after for the
8 question-and-answer session. Here we are in Glynn
9 County and in Glynn County we route alongside the
10 existing Cypress pipeline.
11 This is what pipeline construction looks like,
12 and there's a version of this on the poster in the back
13 if you'd like to take your time looking at it. But
14 what it shows are the different stages of pipeline
15 construction beginning with survey up front, survey
16 crews out and then there's some clearing of the
17 right-of-way.
18 And in this stage you can see they're
19 making a -- There's a brown line here and then brown
20 underneath, and what they're doing is moving the
21 topsoil off of the pipeline right-of-way before digging
22 the trench.
23 And the reason for that is once the pipe is in
24 the ground and the dirt is back on top of the trench,
25 we want to bring the topsoil back and then restore it,
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1 re-seed it. And what we do on the re-seeding is it


2 varies in different parts the country and sometimes in
3 different parts of the state based on what the local
4 recommendations are from the experts in the area and
5 also from the property owner.
6 After the grading piece is accomplished and
7 the topsoil is moved, there's a trench that's cut.
8 Pipe is strung out alongside the trench and welded
9 together. The pipe we're looking at for this project
10 is 16-inch diameter steel pipe. It will be a high
11 strength steel. It's welded together.
12 The pipe is coated with a coating called
13 fusion-bonded epoxy, and it's very durable coating. We
14 do that for corrosion protection. Once the welds are
15 made at the ends of these joints, that piece of the
16 pipe is sandblasted and then it also receives that same
17 fusion-bonded coating.
18 Once the pipe is welded together, it's lowered
19 into the ditch, padding and clean dirt is placed on top
20 of it and compacted, the top soil is restored and then
21 the area is re-seeded. One of the things that we do
22 also, and most pipeline operators do, to protect the
23 pipe from future corrosion is we install what is called
24 an impressed current cathodic protection system.
25 And what that does is we recognize there is
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1 the potential to have tiny, tiny little flaws in the


2 pipe coating that you can't even see with your eye.
3 But over time those would make a place where like steel
4 because bare steel rusts or oxidizes, and what causes
5 that rust or oxidation is when electrons go away from
6 the steel, that's where you start forming a pit.
7 Well, what we do with this impressed current
8 cathodic protection system is we bury some anodes near
9 the pipe that are made out of carbon and we drive DC
10 current into those anodes so that the electrons flow
11 from that carbon anode to the pipe so you prevent that
12 pit from being formed. And that's a pretty common
13 practice in the industry. That's something we think is
14 very important.
15 This is what a pipeline right-of-way looks
16 like for some operating pipelines that Kinder Morgan
17 has once it's restored and operating.
18 These are what pump stations look like, and
19 again these are the aboveground sites where we would
20 build and install pump units on the pipeline. The pipe
21 comes out of the ground at those stations. There's
22 some valving and connections to get it to pump units.
23 And this is probably the best photo of it.
24 One thing I want to point out is this is a
25 standard Kinder Morgan practice. We're not required
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1 to, but one thing that we do is we recognize that where


2 this pipe is going, where these stations are going to
3 be built these are clean pieces of ground and we want
4 them to stay that way.
5 So we put on our pipelines, on our pump units,
6 we put those pumps on top of a concrete pad that has a
7 concrete curb around it so that in the event there ever
8 is any kind of spill or leaks, say a gasket drip or
9 leak or something, we catch it in that curb containment
10 and we can clean it up there without it getting into
11 the ground.
12 All right. Allen.
13 MR. FORE: All right. So when these projects
14 are constructed, they do have a significant short-term
15 economic benefit.
16 We anticipate about 1200 construction jobs to
17 be part of this project, and we anticipate also to have
18 fairly significant additions in tax revenue about 5
19 million dollars a year for the State of Georgia, and
20 the county taxing bodies will get their part of that
21 which is between 4 and $500,000 a year.
22 Those are based on the valuation of our asset
23 in the county. So in addition to what we're paying
24 currently on our natural gas system, we will also be
25 paying additional taxes on the new asset. We expect
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1 about 28 full-time positions as well throughout the


2 entire route of the project.
3 Brian, why don't you talk a little bit about
4 the office facility we'll have here during
5 construction.
6 MR. WILLIAMS: Sure. Here in Glynn County in
7 Brunswick, we have leased office space and that lease
8 will run for two years. And out of that office we'll
9 be supporting about 55 right-of-way agents, the
10 environmental staff that will be out surveying and
11 surveyors. And those folks will again be in and around
12 the area for about two years working here in the local
13 community.
14 MR. FORE: I mentioned the tax revenue for the
15 longer-term benefits, the permanent jobs and the
16 additional supply that will be coming into the region.
17 Most of the supply for the region now is coming from
18 offshore from barges or tankers.
19 This is going to provide an on-ground source
20 of supply which, one, will have a redundancy if there
21 are issues with the weather in either the Gulf or here
22 and also will provide additional supply which we hope
23 at the end of the day will lower prices or keep prices
24 lower at the gas pump.
25 And again our job in this, our role in this is
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1 the transportation piece. We don't market or sell the


2 gas. We just transport it. But an additional supply
3 of a significant amount of any product coming generally
4 has a positive impact on lowering prices.
5 We also take pride in our long-term
6 commitments to communities across the country and in
7 here in Georgia and look forward to partnering on a
8 formal basis with emergency responders and others but
9 also to be good corporate citizens and investing in the
10 communities where we do our business. We take pride in
11 that and certainly plan to do that as partners here in
12 the county and throughout the State of Georgia
13 throughout the course of the project.
14 It's going to be an impact. We know that. We
15 want to address concerns up front. That's why meetings
16 like this are important from a public perspective and
17 also important from a one-on-one landowner prospective.
18 Every time Brian and I do one of these meetings we
19 learn something.
20 We learn something that helps us make this
21 project better. We think we've identified a route
22 project that is good, but with fine tuning and
23 adjustments we can make it better.
24 There's no question that expanding energy
25 infrastructure is good for the economy. It's good for
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1 our energy security. It's good for our economic


2 security. But we also want to make a system, expansion
3 of our system that's also good for the communities that
4 we do business in and be long-time good corporate
5 partners here.
6 With that, Jon, we'll be able to answer
7 questions.
8 MR. CHALLY: So as I said earlier, we have a
9 court reporter here is who is taking down everything
10 that we say so that the Department of Transportation
11 can be aware of it.
12 So if you have a comment or a question, raise
13 your hand. I'll call on you and ask that you come up,
14 give the court reporter your name and address and then
15 you can ask a question or provide comment.
16 Yes, sir. Come on up.
17 MR. HUBBARD: Roy Hubbard, dolphin project.
18 How do you plan to cross the -19 THE REPORTER: No, no. I just need your name.
20 MR. FORE: I'm sorry. Sir, if you could
21 just -22 MR. HUBBARD: She's not going to answer my
23 question?
24 MR. CHALLY: No, she's not going to answer
25 your question, but these folks can do their best.
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1 MR. HUBBARD: My concern is our five rivers


2 and I'd like to know how you're going to cross them.
3 MR. WILLIAMS: All right. And we're concerned
4 about rivers too. One of the things that we will be
5 doing on this project is minimizing the impact where we
6 cross rivers.
7 In the old days pipelines didn't have much
8 choice but to trench across a river, and that can be
9 pretty disruptive particularly on the banks. Nowadays
10 what we do and what we're committing to do on this
11 project is install these crossings by what's called
12 horizontal directional drilling, and it's a technology
13 that's been out for probably close to 20 years now.
14 It's where a drill rig is set up away from the
15 river, and we set the drill rig up on an angle, a
16 fairly shallow angle so it enters into the ground and
17 then it has a steerable drill bit on the end of it.
18 So we can actually drill under the river in a
19 curved arc and come up on the far side again away from
20 the bank, and it's a much less invasive way to do it.
21 Typically to set up on the drill rig side is half acre
22 to about an acre in size for those drill sites.
23 MR. CHALLY: Yes, ma'am.
24 MS. NIX: I'm Ashby Nix.
25 MR. CHALLY: I'm sorry, do you mind coming up.
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2 MS. NIX: That's fine.
3 MR. CHALLY: Thank you.
4 MS. NIX:
. My
6 question is how many of the coastal rivers and streams
7 and wetlands will the horizontal drilling go through.
8 THE AUDIENCE: Miss, if you could speak up.
9 We can't hear you.
10 MS. NIX: Sorry. My question is how many of
11 the coastal streams and perennial streams and wetlands
12 will the horizontal drilling, directional drilling go
13 through? Will it simply be the five -- will it be the
14 50 some odd streams that we have?
15 MR. WILLIAMS: Okay. Were you all able to
16 hear that in the back? Yes? Okay.
17 Our intention is to drill every river, every
18 major crossing. Now, I say that that's our intention
19 because some of this is driven by Army Corps of
20 Engineering permit processes. We to apply to the Army
21 Corps to get permits to cross these water bodies and
22 there are some places where they may say we'd rather
23 you not use an HDD. I can't imagine it but it is
24 possible.
25 MR. CHALLY: Yes, sir, in the blue jacket.

1 MR. KYLER:

I have a question and almost certainly a


5 comment because I think I know what the answer is. But
6 I just thought for the sake of the audience and for
7 myself since I heard about these hearings or meetings
8 but I haven't actually heard directly from you guys, I
9 wanted to know how you define when you -- and determine
10 when you have met what's called a public convenience
11 and necessity that would be the requirement for getting
12 your certification from DOT?
13 MR. CHALLY: Of course, the DOT determines
14 whether or not we satisfy the requirement. It is a
15 request that we establish that the pipeline, the
16 project, is in the public convenience and necessity.
17 And I think Brian and Allen both described the public
18 convenience and necessity associated with the project,
19 the benefit that it has in the market and the benefit
20 it will have to the State of Georgia.
21 So that's the information that we provided to
22 the DOT and the DOT will evaluate that on our
23 application.
24 MR. KYLER: Well, as I understand it the way
25 you described it is if you have customers, that by

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1 definition meets the public convenience and necessity


2 test; is that right?
3 MR. CHALLY: No, I don't think that's how I'd
4 describe that. I think it's whether or not there is a
5 public benefit and necessity. The existence of
6 customers may support but that but there are other
7 benefits associated with the project.
8 MR. KYLER: Okay. Well, other than the
9 temporary employment and the taxes, what are those
10 benefits?
11 MR. CHALLY: Again, I think we listed them.
12 MR. KYLER: Okay. Well, I'm sorry if I
13 overlooked it, but let me get a little bit into the
14 direction I'm heading. To me that's a very vague term
15 and it's not your fault necessarily. It's how DOT and
16 the State has defined the test or the criterion for
17 determining these kind of decisions.
18 But when I look at energy demands overall, I'm
19 seeing a very flat fossil fuel demand in the United
20 States for the next 20 years and a skyrocketing foreign
21 demand for fossil fuels. I don't have any information
22 so far from anybody associated with the proponents of
23 the projects or a guarantee that describes where these
24 customers will be sending this fuel.
25 Will it be a domestic need or a foreign need?
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1 If it's a foreign need, which all the general trends


2 suggest, it would be less predominant, 20 times birth
3 rate and exports compared with domestic consumption of
4 fossil fuels, that to me would be a concern in
5 interpreting whether or not this project or any project
6 that supports exports would be a public convenience and
7 necessity. Oh, and if we don't get a satisfactory
8 answer, we're considering legal options.
9 MR. FORE: So the answer to your export
10 question is there are, the customers that we have there
11 are no plans from Kinder Morgan's perspective or from
12 any of our customers plans for any export associated
13 with this project.
14 It is all part of an expansion of a system to
15 provide a pipeline-based delivery system to customers
16 who service, currently service different areas of the
17 state and those customers and your next question may be
18 who are our customers on the project, and we are not
19 allowed to disclose that information per the Interstate
20 Commerce Act. That's our -- that's the position that
21 we have on that.
22 But what our purpose in this is, is to provide
23 to these customers an additional source, an additional
24 way to get their product to homes, businesses,
25 automobiles that use it. So Brian talked about some of
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1 the facilities we're going to be constructing,


2 offloading in Augusta to existing tanks, building new
3 tanks and a truck rack in Savannah.
4 So these facilities and we'll have delivery to
5 Jacksonville as well. These will be then loaded into
6 trucks delivered to retail gas stations across the
7 region. So that is the purpose and the point of the
8 project, and we think that that is in the public
9 benefit to have an additional source of this product
10 coming into the region.
11 Anything you want to add to that?
12 MR. WILLIAMS: I think that pretty well covers
13 it.
14 MR. KYLER: Then without disclosing the
15 customers, is there some way you can document in
16 writing and commit that to something we can hold
17 accountable in writing?
18 MR. FORE: Well, I think we're on the record
19 here, aren't we?
20 MR. KYLER: That statement that you just made
21 just came up because I asked it if it wasn't made
22 before.
23 MR. FORE: We've talked about this at every
24 one of the public meetings we've had. We've had a
25 similar question and we've given pretty much a verbatim
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2 MR. KYLER: All right.
3 MR. FORE: But this part of the public record
4 we're certainly public about that, and the way we
5 operate all of our systems in all of the states is
6 totally customer based. We're servicing customers. We
7 don't deliver anything directly to a household or to an
8 automobile.
9 We deliver it to the companies that do that
10 business, and you all know the names of many of those
11 companies that you go to a gas station, you fill up
12 your car and you know the name that's on the sign.
13 We're delivery to them to get the trucks to the actual
14 facility.
15 So that's our role in this whole business. We
16 don't build anything or operate anything without
17 customers that are driving behind this. And our role
18 in this is the transportation piece, and we receive a
19 regulated fee, a negotiated fee for transport much like
20 a tollway. If somebody uses our system, they pay a
21 toll and a tariff to transport it from one place to
22 another.
23 MR. CHALLY: Okay. Yes, ma'am.
24 MS. ABNER: Jimmy Ann Abner A-b-n-e-r,
25

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1 MR. CHALLY: Sure.


2 MS. ABNER: All right. How many pipeline
3 disruptions and bursts and leakage have you all had
4 with all your pipelines?
5 MR. FORE: Well, we publish on our website our
6 safety record, and not a lot of energy companies do
7 that but we do.
8 So I encourage you to go there and take a look
9 at our website and it documents our safety record as
10 compared to the industry. Another source is the U.S.
11 Department of Transportation Pipeline and Hazardous
12 Material Safety Administration. They also document
13 reportable incidents on their website.
14 So the answer to your question is more complex
15 because reportable incidents -- And, Brian, why don't
16 you talk a little bit about this too on what is
17 reportable. It might be a maintenance issue. It might
18 be other issues.
19 But I would ask if anybody is interested in
20 the records of companies, we're very proud of our
21 record. We think we're a leader in the industry on
22 safe operation and transportation of pipelines, and we
23 should talk a little bit about what goes into that.
24 But all of those records are public and we encourage
25 folks to go and take a look at that.
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1 You want to add to that?


2 MR. WILLIAMS: Sure. And the information is
3 publicly available as Allen mentioned, and what you'll
4 see is if you look on either the U.S. Department of
5 Transportation PHMSA website or if you look on our
6 website, you'll notice that there was a reporting
7 change that happened a few years ago.
8 Now, across the pipeline industry any release
9 of five gallons or greater is reported. And what you
10 see is that most of the releases that show up in the
11 numbers are what fall into the facility release
12 category inside a fenced facility like we saw the
13 pictures up there or maybe a tank farm.
14 A lot of that is due to maintenance-type
15 activities or something failing, like I mentioned, you
16 might have a gasket leak or a drip. Those things now
17 get reported. In the old days, those numbers were not
18 recorded, the threshold was much higher.
19 And so if you look at the data and you go back
20 a few years, you'll see that there's a jump in the data
21 and that's what's happening. It's not that operators
22 are doing a worse job all of a sudden. The data set
23 change.
24 MS. ABNER: Well, that's good but you haven't
25 answered my question. How many times let's say in the
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1 last five years has there been a major leak in your


2 pipeline and what have you done to take care of it?
3 MR. FORE: Well, again, what are we describing
4 as major? We have incidents -5 MS. ABNER: Well, I'm talking about like you
6 see on TV.
7 MR. FORE: Well, I'll say the short answer on
8 our Plantation system none.
9 MS. ABNER: None?
10 MR. FORE: None. If you're talking about a
11 major, something you see on television with a major
12 incident of leakage, that hasn't happened on our
13 system -- Brian, you can correct me if I'm wrong -- a
14 major incident like that.
15 Now, if we had minor incidents here and there
16 that Brian refers to, yeah, and we do. And I'm not
17 saying we've never had incidents on any of our pipeline
18 systems across the country in our history. We do and
19 those are reported.
20 But what you need to do is take a look at the
21 records on what that is on the specific incidents. And
22 each one of them has a reason and has a specific
23 process that we did whether to make sure it doesn't
24 happen again or if there was a cleanup involved or
25 there was a maintenance issue to change. All of that
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1 is out there.
2 Anything you want to add?
3 MR. WILLIAMS: Well, and again we're
4 struggling a little here with your definition of major.
5 And by that I assume you're talking about the news
6 reports where you see awful, awful things like
7 Yellowstone River perhaps?
8 MS. ABNER: Yeah.
9 MR. WILLIAMS: Okay. We haven't had a
10 Yellowstone River type incident.
11 MS. ABNER: Yet.
12 MR. WILLIAMS: I'm sorry?
13 MS. ABNER: Yet.
14 MR. WILLIAMS: We don't intend to. There are
15 a number of things -- But if you'll permit me, there
16 are a number of things that we do to try to avoid such
17 things.
18 Yellowstone River happened to be due to a
19 washout due to the way the pipe was installed, and that
20 was just done in the old days. I mean it's almost like
21 Alpine terrain when the pipeline was installed in a
22 very rocky setting and washed out during a tremendous
23 deluge they had of rain. So that's very unfortunate.
24 It doesn't change the result. It was awful. You guys
25 can all look at the video clips and still footage of
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1 that.
2 We look at all of our river crossings and
3 water crossings and we monitor those. We're required
4 to do those by federal DOT at least once every fifth
5 year for all navigable waterways. We try to always
6 exceed that and do it about twice as frequently.
7 We fly our right-of-ways. We're required to
8 patrol pipeline right-of-ways at least 26 times a year,
9 no greater than a three-week interval in there. So the
10 math works out easy. Well, you should do it every two
11 weeks, right? We try to do it every week. And we hire
12 companies that fly that for us and those guys are
13 pretty good.
14 I can recall an incident about ten years ago
15 when one of our contractors happened to change the
16 diesel filters on a piece of his equipment and he got
17 noticed because he spilled a little bit. And the good
18 news was our pilot was alert, he called, people got out
19 there, and it was at a point where they could pick it
20 up with some of those -- you may have seen those square
21 cloth looking diapers, absorbent material. That's what
22 we want.
23 We also install like -- One thing I didn't
24 mention is federal DOT requires us to have at least 30
25 inches of cover. We plan to have four feet of cover
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1 over the pipe. And then there's another thing that's


2 required, and this is a great thing industry wide now.
3 I find operators are required to inspect their
4 pipes with internal tools looking for corrosion every
5 fifth year, and that is a wonderful thing for all of us
6 that that is now going on and we do that. We like to
7 think that we do a very good job at it. We have active
8 inspection and mitigation programs when we do find
9 corrosion.
10 And can I brag a little bit about how we've
11 stepped out on the leading edge of technology with that
12 and actually have a patented process for doing some of
13 the signal analysis work and are now hiring out that
14 capability to others in the industry. That wasn't too
15 much of a commercial, was it?
16 MR. FORE: And block valves.
17 MR. WILLIAMS: And block valves. Thank you.
18 We're required -- And if any of you really need some
19 good bedtime reading, you can pick up the Code of
20 Federal, the 49 CFR, part 195, and that federal
21 regulation tells how pipelines have to be designed and
22 constructed and operated and maintained.
23 And one of the things that's in there is it
24 tells us we have to have valves -- we call them block
25 valves -- periodically spaced along the pipeline. It's
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1 based on how hilly the terrain is, and then you have to
2 have them on either side of a major water crossing.
3 And one thing the code does not require is
4 that those valves be remotely controlled. In fact,
5 until recently most everybody just installed manually
6 controlled valves. So if there ever was a problem,
7 somebody would have to drive out, turn a hand wheel and
8 close the valve.
9 We're committing on this project, and we have
10 on the last few, that all of those valves will be
11 remotely operated. We have a control center outside of
12 Atlanta, Georgia, where this pipeline will be operated
13 from.
14 Someone is on duty sitting in front of a
15 console around the clock monitoring the pipeline. And
16 if there's ever a problem, he can close those valves
17 rather than waiting for someone to get in his truck and
18 drive out to a site.
19 There is another thing that we will be doing
20 and that is installing a software program called
21 computational pipeline modeling. And what it means is
22 there's just a computer program that's written that is
23 always looking at pipeline flow rate, pipeline
24 pressures and temperatures and the terrain that the
25 pipeline is going through.
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1 And it always is asking itself do I think I


2 have a leak somewhere. And if it does, it triggers an
3 alarm, and our operators are trained that when that
4 alarm triggers, you shut down the pipeline until you
5 know what's going on.
6 MS. ABNER: Okay. That's commendable. I'm
7 glad to hear those stops.
8 My second question is if someone owns
9 property, other than the right-of-ways you talked about
10 with Georgia Power and the railroad, owns a piece of
11 private property and they do not want to sell their
12 property to you all, do you have the right of eminent
13 domain to take that property?
14 MR. FORE: We are a private company and we
15 don't.
16 MS. ABNER: You don't?
17 MR. FORE: However, that's part of this public
18 convenience and necessity process. And, Jon, if you
19 want to weigh in on that. But as a private company
20 today, we have no authority of any kind for property.
21 Our process is to first seek survey permission
22 voluntary from landowners, and we're probably well over
23 90 percent voluntary survey permission right now.
24 Those we've contacted have allowed us to take a look,
25 and that means granted us going on property and taking
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1 a look.
2 And then when we do the acquisition process,
3 the right-of-way easement process, we'll be well into
4 the 90s and upper 90s of voluntary satisfied landowner
5 consultations on that with payments to landowners
6 involved. But we as a company don't. We are applying
7 through the public convenience and necessity process,
8 which you may want to talk a little bit more about.
9 MR. CHALLY: Right. Allen alluded to it.
10 This is part of a process whereby the government can
11 approve our project and grant us that authority in the
12 event that we cannot reach a negotiated resolution with
13 a landowner that we may be able to obtain the property
14 so that we can complete the project. But as a private
15 entity without government approval, no, we would not.
16 MS. ABNER: In other words, you all do have
17 the right of eminent domain. And the bottom line even
18 though you're claiming that you have a necessity, the
19 government can help you get the property through
20 eminent domain; is that right?
21 MR. CHALLY: As this process unfolds and
22 assuming the DOT is satisfied with our -- with the
23 project and then the further permitting is received,
24 then we may have through those government approvals the
25 authority to get property. As we sit here now, we do
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2 MS. ABNER: All right. Thank you.
3 MR. CHALLY: Okay. Yes, sir. Come on up.
4 MR. GOLLIDAY: Max Golliday, G-o-l-l-i-d-a-y,
5
6 I would like to ask you how does the pipeline
7 technology differ today from the technology of the
8 Alaskan pipeline built in 1976? I know that's very
9 productive and safe.
10 MR. WILLIAMS: That's a great question. Thank
11 you for asking. Have you thought about going to
12 engineering school?
13 MR. GOLLIDAY: No.
14 MR. WILLIAMS: We need bright young folks to
15 go and be engineers and think about things like that.
16 And this young man is right. The Alaskan
17 pipeline everybody's heard about, it was built in the
18 '70s and it was cutting edge technology at the time.
19 And there are some things different.
20 A lot of what we just talked about on the
21 pipeline monitoring and being able to run pipelines
22 remotely and check on leak detection, all of that has
23 been developed probably in the last, oh, I don't know,
24 really 20 years it's really gotten good. And the
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1 years that it's really taken off.


2 Steels are a lot better today, the material we
3 use to build the pipeline with, weldings are better and
4 coatings are better. So those are the primary ways
5 that things have improved over the last 40 years.
6 MR. FORE: It's varied.
7 MR. WILLIAMS: And it's varied. With the
8 Alaskan pipeline you see a lot of those great pictures
9 of it raised above the ground. This pipeline is buried
10 in its entirety, and the reason -- I'll ask you a
11 question. Do you know why the Alaskan pipeline is
12 aboveground for so much of the way?
13 MR. GOLLIDAY: Yes.
14 MR. WILLIAMS: Okay.
15 MR. GOLLIDAY: I believe because of the
16 caribou. They were worried about the caribou.
17 MR. WILLIAMS: That's a piece of it, that's
18 right. There are caribou crossings built into the
19 Alaskan pipeline where caribou can walk under it. And
20 I don't know who had to do the math, but somebody had
21 to figure out what is the height of a male caribou with
22 his racks so that he can clear under the pipeline.
23 And the other reason is it's built on and
24 stands aboveground so that it will not cause thawing to
25 the permafrost in that area, a very, very sensitive
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1 ecosystem. And the companies that built that pipeline


2 that went together to build it made sure they wanted to
3 minimize impact.
4 So if you look on those pipe supports, you'll
5 see that the pipe is insulated and you'll also see that
6 there are radiators built on those pipe supports.
7 That's what those little fin looking things are to take
8 the heat away from the pipe and not impact the
9 permafrost.
10 That's a great question. Thank you. I think
11 he needs a hand. What do y'all think?
12 MR. CHALLY: I agree with that. Let's see,
13 you had a question. Come on up.
14 MR. LYNCH: William Lynch, L-y-n-c-h, 1040
15 Halyard, H-a-l-y-a-r-d, Way, Townsend, Georgia.
16 This would be an engineering question I guess.
17 Your monitoring, I guess your monitoring pressure flow
18 rate, if there were a -- and it's four feet
19 underground -- how are you going to know if there's a
20 what you probably call a slow leak less than 100
21 gallons an hour?
22 MR. WILLIAMS: Well, that wouldn't be -- I'm
23 sorry, was there more to your question?
24 MR. LYNCH: Well, I mean slow compared to the
25 volume you're moving.
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1 MR. WILLIAMS: Sure. And that's a great


2 question. Could y'all hear that in the back? No?
3 Okay. The question was we have pipeline monitoring
4 systems that are computer based, and I'm paraphrasing a
5 little. How do we know if there's a slow leak?
6 And that is one of the difficulties with the
7 pipeline modeling or monitoring is it's sometimes hard
8 to detect those, a real slow one. You mentioned a
9 number of 100 gallons a minute.
10 MR. LYNCH: 100 an hour.
11 MR. WILLIAMS: An hour. Okay. That would
12 show up too. In fact, we did some testing a few years
13 ago. We didn't tell the controllers where we were
14 going, and we took a tanker truck up to one of those
15 aboveground block valves. We hooked a hose to it and
16 opened a little two-inch vent valve that comes off it
17 and started bleeding off some product.
18 And that tanker truck was only -- I don't
19 know what's a standard tanker truck? Six or 8,000
20 gallons. And before we really got flow going very good
21 in there, maybe had a few hundred gallons in it, the
22 guys had shut down the pipeline.
23 So the systems are pretty good. They're not
24 perfect, and that's why again part of that patrolling
25 is the pilots are trained to look for if there's water,
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1 they're always looking for a sheen and if there's dead


2 vegetation, they're always looking for that.
3 Those are some early signs because if you see
4 stressed plants, they're one of the earliest ways to
5 know that there's something going on there. Now, the
6 good news about the sheen is those get reported very
7 frequently.
8 And so our guys go out, the pipeline
9 maintenance technicians that travel up and down the
10 pipeline, are very frequently checking and what they're
11 mostly finding is what we would call, you know, just a
12 pond film or pond scum. It's a biological issue. It's
13 not petroleum sheen. But we want people to report that
14 when they see it, and we're not going to tell the
15 pilots quit calling that stuff in.
16 MR. LYNCH: Well, to follow up since it's
17 underground, if there's a slow leak, let's say much
18 slower than 100 gallons an hour, that product is not
19 coming to the surface, correct, in the kind of soil we
20 have in this area. So would aerial patrol ever detect
21 that?
22 MR. WILLIAMS: Aerial patrol I think would
23 pick that up because again it would impact plants, and
24 that's a pretty early sign of stress. I mean the
25 plants show the stress pretty early on if they're
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1 exposed to hydrocarbon. And there's some really,


2 absolutely amazing research that's going on right now,
3 and it's in the test stages among a group of industry
4 users where they're using some technology.
5 I hate to admit it but our cousins down in
6 Brazil invented it. And they're using LIDR imagery in
7 detecting changes in the leaf color, and that range I
8 guess it's actually a nonvisible spectrum in picking up
9 very early releases.
10 So there's a lot -- there's a lot on the
11 horizon to make it even better, and you have touched on
12 probably one bugaboo there is it's hard to find the
13 very, very small issues.
14 MR. LYNCH: Okay. Thank you.
15 MR. CHALLY: We have time for a couple more
16 questions. Yes, sir.
17 MR. WIEDERHORN: Dick Wiederhorn,
18 W-i-e-d-e-r-h-o-r-n,

20 I have a quick question. Number one, where do


21 you get your steel from or your pipes from? Is it
22 American made or not?
23 MR. WILLIAMS: Okay. On this project our
24 intention is to quote all of our steel domestically.
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1 my procurement guys to convince them to. But we prefer


2 to do that because -- well, a couple of reasons.
3 One is jobs domestically, and we think that's
4 a very good thing. There's a selfish reason because
5 the transportation costs are a whole lot cheaper to buy
6 in North America.
7 MR. WIEDERHORN: And maybe the steel might be
8 better too? I would think it would be.
9 MR. WILLIAMS: Well, there's some really,
10 really good steel made here domestically and that's a
11 wonderful thing. There are some parts of the world
12 where we will not even contemplate buying steel.
13 But I've got to say there's a really, really
14 good Japanese steel mill and there's a South Korean
15 steel mill that's really doing pretty good too.
16 They're coming up and becoming competitive.
17 MR. WIEDERHORN: I understand. You should buy
18 American. We're buying your stuff that you moved into
19 the pipeline here.
20 MR. WILLIAMS: That's our intention, sir.
21 MR. WIEDERHORN: I know you guys are trying
22 very hard to be safe, and you may be the best in the
23 industry. I don't know. But I'm just playing with my
24 smart phone which is smarter than I am, and you've had
25 in less than since 2003 at least 180 spills,
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1 evacuations, explosions, fires and fatalities in 24


2 states. I can cite some examples if you like.
3 Now, Texas got the worst of it. They got 20
4 percent of them. I mean you really can't -- Some of
5 them might be not fuel spills, but I know about
6 Yellowstone because my brother-in-law fishes trout in
7 Montana and he wasn't happy. So you do have problems,
8 right?
9 MR. FORE: Yeah. No one said we're perfect or
10 we don't have incidents. And a lot of those that you
11 talked about are reportable incidents that you can go
12 on each one and find out specifically what it was. And
13 each one of those will have some history around it. As
14 you know, there are all parts of every -- You're
15 looking at an opposition website that produced -16 MR. WIEDERHORN: No, it's.
17 MR. FORE: Yeah, it is, but that's fine.

18 mean the bottom line is that all of this information is


19 publicly accessible.
20 MR. WIEDERHORN: Right.
21 MR. FORE: So, you know, you can go and look
22 at the detail behind each one of those and make your
23 own evaluation on what our record is at your own
24 leisure. All this is very transparent and very public.
25 That's the industry as a whole and how it's
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1 regulated.
2 MR. WIEDERHORN: One more quick question.

3 lot of problems you were having deal with older


4 pipelines that were made and installed a lot time ago.
5 This one eventually will be one of those. How do you
6 keep it from becoming a problem 40 years from now?
7 MR. WILLIAMS: That is a really good question.
8 We've had it come up at a few of the meetings. I wish
9 it would come up every time. Sometimes I forget to
10 mention it.
11 The things we talked about by using -- the
12 metallurgy is simply better today. That's a piece of
13 it, and the coatings are better today. The cathodic
14 protection is something that didn't exist until about,
15 oh, I guess 1940s or '50s people started using that.
16 At one meeting we had somebody ask what's the
17 life of a pipeline. That's a great question, and I'm
18 not being a smart alec, but the answer is we really
19 don't know. I'm aware of a pipeline system in
20 California that is approaching 100 years old and it's
21 still in good operable shape.
22 In the Kinder Morgan system, I know of some
23 pieces of that system that are still in use 70 years
24 after they were installed. And the key is to how they
25 are maintained, how they were built, how they were
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1 installed and how they're maintained.


2 And with good steel and good coating and
3 cathodic protection and running those instrument and
4 tools inside and fixing what you find, pipelines last a
5 long, long time.
6 MR. CHALLY: Yes, sir.
7 MR. TURNER: Thank you, gentlemen. Ma'am, I'm
8 Darrell Turner. I live in Heflin, Alabama,
And to my knowledge there is not a
10 flower on that street.
11 Gentlemen, I'm not here tonight to ask a
12 question. I'm here to make a comment, and if I may
13 read a prepared statement on behalf of the pipeline
14 industry.
15 My name is Darrell Turner and I represent the
16 professional pipeliners that Kinder Morgan uses to
17 build their pipelines, and I'm going to read a
18 statement and then I'll sit down. May I?
19 I represent the professional pipeliners in
20 South Carolina, Georgia and Florida, in fact 42 states
21 that will partner with Kinder Morgan to successfully
22 construct the Palmetto pipeline from Belton, South
23 Carolina, to Jacksonville, Florida.
24 We are the Pipeliners Union 798 located at
25 Tulsa, Oklahoma, and we fully support the Palmetto

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1 Pipeline Project. We are the largest, most highly


2 trained and experienced pipeline welders group in the
3 world.
4 We're qualified and safety trained in every
5 aspect of pipeline construction, and we have built a
6 world class training facility in Tulsa, Oklahoma, that
7 does just that and thus provides free training and
8 upgrade for our members so that we continually provide
9 the finest skilled pipeline welders available anywhere
10 on the planet.
11 We believe that pipeline construction
12 throughout the United States should be done in the
13 safest manner possible for everyone concerned. We
14 believe that every citizen in the path of any pipeline
15 should be concerned when gas and oil companies put
16 their profit margin first and select unproven
17 contractors with unskilled workers over reputable
18 contracting firms that only use proven skilled
19 employees.
20 Pipeliners Union 798 believes that the energy
21 giant, Kinder Morgan and its subsidiary, Plantation
22 Pipeline, will be looking and using proven contractors
23 that only provide the best product on schedule and on
24 time, and they will provide safety and environmental
25 concerns as priority one. Priority one, ladies and
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1 gentlemen.
2 That is why we at Local 798 will provide to
3 the contractor and Kinder Morgan and ultimately you,
4 the consumer, to do it right the first time every time.
5 We stand on our reputation, and remember cheap labor
6 isn't skilled and skilled labor isn't cheap.
7 I want to thank these gentlemen and you ladies
8 and gentlemen for allowing me to speak. And I want to
9 comment on something that young man said awhile ago.

10 was thinking about that. I spent 17 years in Alaska


11 and I helped build the Trans-Alaska Pipeline.
12 I worked on my first Plantation project in
13 1967 across the state of South Carolina, and I can
14 stand here today and tell you that that pipeline is
15 still working safely. I can tell you that this company
16 maintains a very consistent testing and pigging program
17 that keeps that pipeline up to date. You mentioned the
18 Cypress project. I was there from beginning to end.
19 And finally I will say this and I'll sit down.
20 The project over for your company at Savannah, we
21 called it the Elba project. That was 1974, '75 and
22 '76. I spent many days there and it was safely built,
23 and it's still operates the way a pipeline should.
24 MR. FORE: Thank you.
25 MR. WILLIAMS: Thank you.
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1 THE AUDIENCE: Good work.


2 MR. CHALLY: We've got a few more. Come on
3 up.
4 MR. REGISTER: My name is Sean Register,
Thank
6 you.
7 That was a good statement. I don't have
8 anything prepared, but let me first say my name is Sean
9 Register. I'm from Richmond Hill, Georgia, right up
10 the road. I'm in the shipping business. I've used the
11 port of Savannah, Charleston, Jacksonville, even
12 Brunswick.
13 I'm a native of Georgia born and raised and I
14 love this place. It's a great place to call home. Is
15 there anybody in the room that has ever done business
16 with Kinder Morgan in any way, shape or form? Okay.

17 few of you. I have too, not with these gentlemen


18 per se in pipelines, but I use the Kinder Morgan
19 terminal down in Fernandina Beach.
20 They operate that. They do a wonderful job.
21 I will say this. As a company, they're very
22 environmentally conscious. I see it at their
23 terminals. I'm familiar with the terminal in Savannah.
24 I've had some family members that have done a lot of
25 work there, some river pilots that go up there, a

1 first-class facility, environmentally safe.


2 And, you know, here -- I've taught logistics
3 in the past, and the most safest way to convey products
4 is not by rail, it's not by truck, it's not by ship.
5 It's by a pipeline. If you look at -- And everybody is
6 very accident conscious. I am too.
7 If you look at some of these other modes of
8 transportation, they have more mishaps than what
9 pipelines do. Everything is not perfect, but all I
10 will say is this is a first-class company that I have
11 personally dealt with, not so much on the pipeline and
12 not with these gentlemen per se.
13 But I have met the gentleman, Rich Kinder, who
14 is behind this. I met him at a conference, a stand-up
15 guy, very personable, cares about the customer and the
16 ultimate consumer. So that's just me personally, so
17 thank you.
18 MR. CHALLY: A couple more hands. Yes, ma'am.
19 MS. NORTON: Lisa Norton,

21 I'm going to stand next to this police officer


22 in case I ask a question that makes you mad. I've been
23 examining the maps, and I'm concerned because one of
24 them shows no rivers running onto the eastern boundary
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1 Also, on this map there's no rivers on the


2 East Coast listed. And I want to just say as a general
3 statement that Georgia has some of the most pristine
4 water in the world, and I think this is going to be a
5 hard sale to get this crossing so many rivers or major
6 rivers.
7 The other thing I wanted to ask about is I
8 know you stated today that you wanted to lease space,
9 that you're here, your presence in our community, and I
10 have run into some of the boys up in McIntosh doing
11 title examinations.
12 Considering the statement that you feel you
13 have experts in the field, I have to disagree with
14 that. I don't think the title examiners have training.
15 I have 24 years' experience doing title examinations,
16 and I'm concerned about the so-called experts that
17 you've got that are doing the archeological or the
18 endangered species examinations in our areas.
19 The Internet states between 2003 and '14 that
20 there's been over 36 significant incidents some of
21 those resulting in fatalities. And I would just like
22 to suggest that this map (indicating) is an initial
23 projection and that the public does not actually have
24 the final platted map for the route of this pipeline.
25 Now, is that correct? I want to know which of
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1 these maps contains your final projected path for the


2 pipeline.
3 MR. WILLIAMS: All right. Anything else to
4 the question?
5 MS. NORTON: No, other than we're just going
6 to hopefully be pointed toward an accurate map.
7 MR. WILLIAMS: Okay. We can do that tonight.
8 Let me back up a little bit. We're really concerned
9 about the areas we cross through also. I talked about
10 the way we cross rivers and streams.
11 I personally am very concerned about that.

12 canoed a lot of these with my boys. I think I've


13 canoed every trail on the Okefenokee, slept on every
14 platform and a couple of dry campgrounds too.
15 We've got some wonderful resources here. We're not
16 interested in messing that up, seriously.
17 The maps you have are very, very large scale
18 maps. They do not predict, they do not show or
19 delineate every single feature. We do have some
20 perhaps here tonight, and afterwards I invite anyone
21 who would like to look at some of the details of where
22 we cross various features to come up to the front where
23 we will have a couple of gentlemen here with a couple
24 of larger scale maps.
25 Those do depict the route as it's laid out
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1 today. And like I talked about earlier, this is a


2 preliminary route. We may still see some adjustments
3 to it. Those maps also depict property plans. And I
4 would like to follow up with you after the meeting if
5 you can hang around and find out about those title
6 researchers. Okay?
7 I will vouch for the folks that we have doing
8 the archeological work and the biological work. Those
9 folks come from a very, very good company. You folks
10 may have heard of URS or AE Com. They're now one.
11 They've got fantastic people on staff and the fellow
12 who's leading our archeological effort happens to be a
13 Ph.D.
14 MS. NORTON: You stated or the attorney stated
15 at the beginning that we had opportunities to question
16 this certificate being issued for public service or
17 necessity. And, of course, I would not send mine to
18 King and Spalding because you represent the pipeline
19 and public comment is being taken here.
20 Where is our third resource for getting our
21 comments or objections to this pipeline coming through
22 our community? Does that go to DOT? Does it go to the
23 Corps of Engineers? Where does that go?
24 MR. CHALLY: Well, I can assure you that any
25 written comment that I am receiving I am transmitting
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1 to the Department of Transportation. I can assure you


2 of that.
3 THE AUDIENCE: Before or after vetting?
4 MR. CHALLY: Before or after vetting? We're
5 timely transmitting it to the Department of
6 Transportation. I don't think there is a vetting
7 process I would say, so we're timely submitting it to
8 the department. If you would prefer instead to send it
9 to the Department of Transportation, you can direct it
10 to the commissioner.
11 MS. NORTON: Okay.
12 MR. CHALLY: Or Mike Bolden, B-o-l-d-e-n.
13 MS. NORTON: Okay. And will this
14 stenographer's work be available for purchase by the
15 public?
16 MR. CHALLY: Absolutely. We can arrange for
17 you to have, to pay for a copy of the transcript if you
18 prefer. And as I said, we're providing the transcript
19 to the Department of Transportation as well.
20 MS. NORTON: Okay. Could you leave a business
21 card that we can contact you so we can make
22 arrangements for a copy?
23 MR. CHALLY: Absolutely.
24 MS. NORTON: Thank you.
25 MR. CHALLY: Ma'am.
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1 MS. HILBURN: Jen Hilburn, Altamaha


2 Riverkeeper, and you have my address at the last couple
3 of meetings. Jen Hilburn, Altamaha Riverkeeper.
4 So you guys were talking about horizontal
5 drilling as the best available technology, and you plan
6 on using that for the five major waterways. Is that
7 correct?
8 MR. WILLIAMS: That is correct. And, of
9 course, that is as I said pending approval by the U.S.
10 Army Corps of Engineers. That is under their
11 jurisdiction and we have to have a permit.
12 MS. HILBURN: Since that is so much less
13 destructive than any other type of way of laying pipe,
14 will you consider that for our wetlands areas as well?
15 MR. WILLIAMS: We're considering that where
16 it's applicable. There are some other places we've
17 identified where we will use that technology. We
18 haven't fully delineated how we will construct the
19 entire pipeline route.
20 MS. HILBURN: Can you give me an example?
21 MR. WILLIAMS: Sure. I was looking at a place
22 today where it would be easier to do an HDD and much
23 less disruptive. And it was an area that was a
24 wetlands area due to a swamp, and it happens to be
25 along an existing pipeline corridor and between that
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1 corridor and the powerline corridor.


2 People have already been through there. They
3 probably did it with old technology. We think it
4 probably makes sense to drill it.
5 MS. HILBURN: Horizontal?
6 MR. WILLIAMS: Horizontally. I'm not smart
7 enough to do the vertical drilling.
8 MS. HILBURN: Can you talk about hydrostatic
9 testing and if you'll be doing any of that.
10 MR. WILLIAMS: That is a great question. When
11 a pipeline is built, we conduct what's called a
12 hydrostatic pressure test and use water to do that test
13 and pump the pipe up to near its yield strength.
14 And we hold it for at least eight hours to
15 document that that pipe will hold pressure and it was
16 installed soundly and correctly. And we will be
17 conducting those tests. That's a requirement under
18 that bedtime reading I mentioned, 49 CFR, Part 195.
19 MS. HILBURN: Okay. Thank you. So you're
20 talking about co-locating a lot of the pipelines, so
21 property owners that already have a pipeline or a
22 utility going through their property, you ideally would
23 put the pipeline next to that. Is that correct? And
24 would that be additional 150-foot easement or is that
25 going directly under the utility lines?
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1 MR. WILLIAMS: Okay. What we anticipate doing


2 is acquiring a 50-foot easement adjacent to the
3 existing easements.
4 MS. HILBURN: And will the property owners be
5 able to utilize that property afterwards?
6 MR. WILLIAMS: Could y'all hear that in the
7 back? Will the property owners be able to utilize that
8 easement?
9 The answer there is it depends on the use.
10 There are some uses that are not compatible with having
11 a pipeline underground and we recognize that, and
12 that's part of the easement negotiation process. There
13 are other crops -- There are some crops that can be
14 grown on top of pipelines with no interference.
15 MS. HILBURN: Is there problems or have you
16 had problems in the past with something as small as a
17 tractor or an ATV going over these pipelines and
18 causing problems for the leakage or spillage or
19 otherwise damaging the pipelines?
20 MR. WILLIAMS: The question was have we had
21 damage from vehicles traveling across or over the
22 pipelines? And the answer there is we've seen
23 damage -- I don't think I've seen damage to a pipe from
24 a vehicle getting down on it, but it can cause ruts and
25 erosion.
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1 Now, when we have heavy loads that wish to


2 cross a pipeline like log trucks or some certain types
3 of heavy equipment occasionally, we work with the
4 operators who are intending to do that and we do some
5 design analysis and we work with them to put a pad over
6 the pipeline. And sometimes it's an earthen pad.
7 Sometimes it's timber mats. And what that does is
8 spread the load out so that it does not damage the
9 pipe.
10 MS. HILBURN: So if worst case scenario your
11 neighbor decided to take his backhoe over this pipeline
12 and cause some kind of problem, is the property owner
13 then responsible for that?
14 MR. WILLIAMS: Well, if our neighbor did that,
15 he would probably have a little bit of an issue
16 particularly if he was using a backhoe to dig. If he
17 were digging over the pipeline, he would probably be
18 violating Georgia's one-call law, and that would be an
19 issue.
20 MS. HILBURN: So if he wasn't and he was just
21 driving over it, would the property owner be held
22 responsible?
23 MR. WILLIAMS: Well, that's hard to say.

24 mean, you know, that's the kind of thing when people


25 operate heavy equipment over a pipeline, they need to
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1 contact the pipeline operator.


2 MS. HILBURN: I recognize that. In rural
3 Georgia those things don't always happen. Sometimes
4 your neighbor does just cruise over your property, but
5 I thank you for your answer.
6 You guys were talking about jobs, about 1200 I
7 believe -- maybe it was more than that, I forget -8 jobs during construction and then another 30-ish,
9 40-ish jobs after construction. Is that correct?
10 MR. WILLIAMS: The number we used is 28.
11 MS. HILBURN: 28, sorry. Are those going to
12 be people that you're hiring locally? Can you tell us
13 where those jobs will be located and how many in a real
14 number?
15 MR. WILLIAMS: Sure. We mentioned that the
16 pipeline will be operated out of Alpharetta, Georgia.
17 There will be five people hired in Alpharetta to
18 monitor that console around the clock. There will be
19 at least one pipeline scheduler who helps those folks
20 plan the movements on the pipeline.
21 And there will probably be a couple of other
22 people in the Alpharetta area supporting that. There
23 will be in the Richmond Hill area where the truck
24 terminal goes, there will be four jobs. At one of the
25 pump stations there will be a maintenance facility
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1 which will have another four or possibly five jobs.


2 And then there will be a couple in Belton, South
3 Carolina, and probably a couple in South Georgia.
4 MS. HILBURN: And during construction will
5 most of these be local hires or are you going to bring
6 in people?
7 MR. WILLIAMS: During construction the answer
8 is probably both, yes. There are some specialties. We
9 heard from the Pipeliners 798. That's a special skill
10 set that you don't find everywhere.
11 Sometimes you find people who are local who
12 have qualified on pipe welding tests and you can hire
13 them to do something like that or the contractor will
14 hire them. You'll also find that there are only a
15 handful of companies around the country that build
16 cross-country pipelines. So a lot of supervision and
17 expertise comes from wherever those folks are based.
18 Now, you'll also find that there is a lot of
19 labor that is required also to support those
20 specialists, and a lot of that will come out of local
21 areas.
22 MS. HILBURN: You spoke about 400 or $500,000
23 I believe in taxes that you'll be paying to the county.
24 Now, is that per individual county per year or is that
25 sort of a general lump sum per year to all of the seven
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1 counties I believe you'll being going through?


2 MR. FORE: It's 4.9 million for the state, and
3 then the county is between 400 and 500,000 a year.
4 MS. HILBURN: So the county being the singular
5 counties, each one?
6 MR. FORE: The singular county but it's the
7 taxing bodies in the county. So whatever taxing,
8 wherever the community government collects taxes, where
9 our asset is, where our pipe is, those funds will be
10 divided amongst the taxing bodies.
11 MS. HILBURN: All right. I'm about to wrap it
12 up. Thank you for your time. I'm going to narrow down
13 the question that was asked. Could you at least give
14 us an example of your last spill or leak and your
15 response to it, please.
16 MR. WILLIAMS: Let's see. On the Plantation
17 pipeline system, there was one, and I don't recall the
18 exact time frame, within the last six months probably,
19 near Belton and the Anderson, South Carolina area.
20 And there was a repair that had been made to a
21 pipeline, oh, sometime previously that developed what
22 was called a pinhole leak. And that was identified and
23 crews went in and dug that up and cut out that bad
24 piece of pipe and put in a new piece of pipe.
25 MS. HILBURN: So I don't know if that was a
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1 private property. But let's say we're on a private


2 property, on my property and you're coming through my
3 land in your 50-foot easement, and I'm in wetlands and
4 we have a spill and it's not which I suspect is very
5 easy to identify.
6 But at some point there is enough plant
7 die-off or animal die-off or destroyed wetlands or oil
8 sheen or something that you do identify. Can you tell
9 me how you're going to respond to that?
10 MR. WILLIAMS: Well, this is a hypothetical.
11 MS. HILBURN: It is.
12 MR. WILLIAMS: And it's really hard to say how
13 you would respond in a hypothetical situation.
14 Wetlands present some special concerns about cleanup
15 and that's tough.
16 I don't have any experience. I don't think my
17 company has any real experience in wetlands. I know of
18 a couple of other pipeline companies that do and I can
19 think of one repair where they wound up building a
20 cofferdam around the area in order to excavate pipe and
21 repair it.
22 MS. HILBURN: At that point do you then try to
23 return the land to its natural state?
24 MR. WILLIAMS: That's always a goal.
25 MS. HILBURN: I think that's about it. Thank
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1 you, gentlemen, and everyone for your time.


2 MR. CHALLY: Got two more hands and then we'll
3 be here for a few minutes to take questions
4 individually. Yes, sir.
5 MR. ULRICH: My name is Dick Ulrich,
6 U-l-r-i-c-h,

My name is Dick Ulrich. I just have a general


9 question. In the news lately there's been a lot of
10 concern about the volatility of product moved over
11 pipelines or on trains and things like that. And
12 you've indicated that it's your intention and the
13 people, the customers that you've got commitments from
14 intend to move refined product over these pipelines.
15 My concern is, is there a chance or is there
16 an option for these customers at some point to move a
17 product that's coming straight from North Dakota that's
18 unrefined over these pipelines?
19 MR. WILLIAMS: That's a good question. Could
20 y'all hear that in the back? I see some yes's and
21 no's. Okay. The question was is there a potential in
22 the future to see some unrefined products moved on
23 these pipelines at some point in the future. Was that
24 close to being accurate?
25 MR. ULRICH: That's it. Yes, sir.

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1 MR. WILLIAMS: Okay. The pipeline is designed


2 to move only refined products. That's all we would
3 intend to move. I cannot see where -- I'm not going to
4 say never because you don't know what happens, what can
5 happen way on out.
6 But I would not see us moving any kind of
7 crude oil, which is what you're specifically referring
8 to, and there are certain crudes that are more volatile
9 than others because there's no refinery down here.
10 All we see in these markets that we looked at
11 in Augusta and in Savannah and in Jacksonville is
12 consuming refined products. And that's what this
13 pipeline is about. We've had customers who said they
14 want pipeline access into those markets.
15 MR. CHALLY: Okay. And then, yes, ma'am. Go
16 ahead. Yeah, come on up.
17 MS. HILTON: My name is Louise Hilton. I'm a
18 local on St. Simons and I have two questions. One is
19 does Kinder Morgan have experience in pipeline through
20 wetlands because it's something I just heard in
21 response to that young lady. I thought you said that
22 Kinder Morgan does not have experience in wetlands.
23 MR. CHALLY: Clarify that.
24 MR. WILLIAMS: Thank you for offering that
25 opportunity to clarify something really important. We
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1 don't have experience cleaning up spills in wetlands.


2 MS. HILTON: Okay.
3 MR. WILLIAMS: At least not in my 30-year
4 career with them.
5 MS. HILTON: But you do have experience with
6 pipeline -7 MR. WILLIAMS: We have installed -8 MR. FORE: Thousands and thousands and
9 thousands of wetlands.
10 MS. HILTON: Okay. Because we were a little
11 confused back there.
12 MR. WILLIAMS: No. Thank you.
13 MS. HILTON: My second question was really my
14 first until I got confused there.
15 The homeowners that are receiving notices for
16 the pipeline to go through their private property, not
17 the powerline companies but the private individuals,
18 how is their fair market value for your easement
19 determined? Do you have on-staff appraisers and can
20 they refute that or how does that process work?
21 MR. FORE: We start the process with a local
22 appraiser. So our land contractors will retain a
23 Georgia-based licensed appraiser that is familiar with
24 the values in the area, and they'll set a baseline
25 price which they believe the local property is worth
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1 and that will begin the discussion process with the


2 landowners. The landowner is welcome to retain their
3 own appraiser but most time -4 MS. HILTON: You'll find someone for them to
5 give them a value I guess. I mean that's part of the
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7 MR. FORE: Well, we'll incur the expense of
8 hiring an appraiser to start the baseline survey. If
9 the landowner wants to dispute that or find another
10 appraiser, that's up to them.
11 MS. HILTON: Right.
12 MR. FORE: But typically it's someone
13 oftentimes we may not be familiar with. We try to keep
14 that very local even on a county basis on occasion so
15 that it's a reputable company that can be trusted to
16 understand the uniqueness of the county and the area.
17 So that will start the negotiation process and then
18 landowners are usually pretty good negotiators.
19 MS. HILTON: Right. Thank you. Okay.

20 wasn't sure if you provided that value.


21 MR. FORE: As a baseline.
22 MS. HILTON: All right. Thank you.
23 MR. CHALLY: Yes, ma'am. You've had your hand
24 raised so we'll let you give us your comment.
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4 tonight in a gasoline-powered vehicle, but I'm just
5 looking at how this weighs out. 1200 temporary jobs,
6 28 permanent jobs.
7 $500,000 at the most per year tax revenue per
8 county is so low compared to the amount of risk for not
9 knowing how to handle a spill in a wetland if that
10 should occur. How fast would the response be to bring
11 experts in to clean it up if that happened because our
12 area is so pristine and we must protect our wetlands.
13 And also another concern I have is, you know,
14 we are on somewhat of a fault line, and I just wondered
15 is the pipeline able to take it if there was a tremor
16 or earthquake situation?
17 MR. WILLIAMS: Okay. Anything else?
18 MS. SCHOOLEY: That's it. Thank you.
19 MR. WILLIAMS: Okay. Two questions. I'm
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21 question, and we will be doing geotechnical analysis as
22 part of all the survey efforts too.
23 And one of the things we do look for is where
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1 the all American pipeline on the West Coast. That


2 crosses the San Andreas Fault.
3 MS. SCHOOLEY: Okay.
4 MR. WILLIAMS: You can do it. You just have
5 to be conscious when you think about it. And then the
6 other one I said I personally don't have experience in
7 my 30-year career with cleaning up a spill in a
8 wetlands because I haven't had a spill in a wetlands.
9 There are experts out there and Kinder Morgan
10 retains companies that are specialists in cleanup. We
11 keep those folks on staff. We call them out. Those
12 are 24-hour response type companies, and typically they
13 have operations in, well every major city, every port
14 type city. There are companies that do that.
15 Let's see, was there anything else on that?
16 MS. SCHOOLEY: I just thought that the gain to
17 our counties is really minimal compared to the profit
18 that Kinder Morgan would be receiving.
19 MR. WILLIAMS: I'm certainly not in a position
20 to respond to that one. I would say that we really,
21 really are careful and concerned about resources.
22 One of the Kinder Morgan pipelines, in fact
23 the one that's in red here, the Plantation Pipeline
24 System and actually a competitor's company, the
25 Colonial Pipeline System, they both cross the
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1 Chattahoochee River north of the water intake for the


2 City of Atlanta.
3 And the people are really, really careful
4 about that. Those crossings are monitored carefully,
5 and we actually work with the number of groups
6 including the Chattahoochee Riverkeeper in that area.
7 We work with them successfully to monitor. We think
8 pipelining can be done very safely and, you know,
9 statistically it is indeed the safest way to transport
10 petroleum products.
11 MS. SCHOOLEY: I'm hearing we think, we
12 propose, we plan and, you know, sometimes that's not
13 really -- I don't trust that. You know, I just like
14 proven facts. And I'm concerned about the low income
15 to our counties. $500,000 a year, that's really hardly
16 anything.
17 MR. FORE: Well, that's based upon the value
18 of the pipe. That's what the State of Georgia taxes
19 this type of asset, so we're paying what we're required
20 to pay.
21 But, you know, you mentioned here that you
22 drove here in a gas-powered vehicle this evening. You
23 know, we take a lot of things for granted with the
24 transportation of energy that the gas station is always
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1 there to fill them up. Well, 30 years ago we had gas


2 shortages. Remember that?
3 MS. SCHOOLEY: Yes.
4 MR. FORE: And building additional
5 infrastructure, transporting it throughout the United
6 States, domestic product to domestic users, we're not
7 necessarily talking about shortage anymore. But let's
8 talk about our system here.
9 When Hurricane Katrina hit in New Orleans, do
10 you know one of the most critical pieces of the entire
11 United States that was affected by that? Collins,
12 Mississippi. Collins, Mississippi, because Collins and
13 the pumps and the tanks that were there control the
14 flow of this pipeline and refined products to military
15 bases, airports and ultimately gas stations all along
16 that route.
17 So Katrina was not only hitting New Orleans,
18 it was potentially a national security issue with
19 transportation of product, not just to fill up your gas
20 tank but to make sure our military jets could fly.
21 So the expansion of these systems and the
22 increase for liability of these systems, the redundancy
23 of these systems, in other words, if something happens
24 here, you can get your product somewhere else, it's a
25 matter of economic security, environmental security,
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1 and national security in some cases.


2 So we take a lot of things for granted. The
3 gas just doesn't show up at the gas station. It has to
4 get there. And we're providing the infrastructure to
5 do that, and we're trying to do it in the safest way
6 possible. And you want to talk about we say and we
7 believe. Well, let's say what we do know.
8 We've been doing business in the State of
9 Georgia with 3,000 miles of pipe. We're talking about
10 adding about 10 percent to that. 3,000 miles of pipe
11 for 50 years and you haven't heard much about us.
12 That's because we've been operating our system safely
13 and in an effective manner and delivering product.
14 If you want to know what we're going to do,
15 take a look at what we've done in Georgia for the last
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17 MS. SCHOOLEY: Okay. Well, it's just that
18 when we turn on the news and we see all these pipeline
19 incidents, it's so scary, and it's like who's going to
20 clean it up and these towns are devastated and so
21 forth. It makes the consumer a little scared of the
22 situation.
23 So I'm glad I came tonight to get more
24 information. I wish that there was more experience on
25 cleaning it up within the wetlands if that should
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1 happen to our delicate area here.


2 MR. WILLIAMS: Well, as far as the wetlands, I
3 personally don't have that experience. Okay. I've
4 said that three times now I believe. There are people
5 who are experts in doing that and there are -6 MR. FORE: Let's clarify that even further
7 because there seems to be some confusion about this.
8 If we have an incident of any kind on this system, we
9 are responsible. If it's our problem and we caused it,
10 we have to clean it up and we'll hire the best experts
11 in the industry.
12 And it won't be cleaned up until the
13 regulators tell us it's cleaned up. It's not just
14 Kinder Morgan saying well, we're going to do it. The
15 regulator is going to be out there right with us making
16 sure that that place is restored. So 100 percent we're
17 accountable.
18 Just because Brian, one employee out of 11,500
19 doesn't have specific experience in wetlands, we have
20 thousands that are, and we'll hire the best in the
21 industry to come out and fix it.
22 MS. SCHOOLEY: Well, that makes me feel better
23 because I am concerned about that.
24 MR. FORE: Appreciate that.
25 MS. SCHOOLEY: Okay. Thank you.
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66:20 68:11

ATV 60:17

backhoe 61:11,
16

audience 25:8
26:6 52:1 57:3

bad 64:23

Augusta 8:10
11:18 12:14
13:18,23,24
29:2 67:11

bank 24:20
banks 24:9
bare 19:4
barges 21:18

becoming 15:15
46:16 48:6
bedtime 36:19
59:18
before 17:21
29:22 43:20
57:3,4
begin 69:1
beginning 6:19
9:10 10:11
11:24 17:15
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Belton 8:8 11:17


13:18 15:19
16:12,17 49:22
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benefit 20:15
26:19 27:5 29:9
benefits 21:15
27:7,10
best 13:9 19:23
23:25 46:22
50:23 58:5
75:10,20
better 16:14
22:21,23 41:2,3,
4 45:11 46:8
48:12,13 75:22
between 20:21
54:19 58:25
64:3
big 10:18
billion 9:24
10:18 11:12

authority 38:20
39:11,25

barrels 7:23
12:9,12

begins 8:8

biological 44:12
56:8

automobile 30:8

base 9:3

behalf 49:13

biologists 14:14

automobiles
28:25

based 11:5 16:21


18:3 20:22 30:6
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behind 14:11
25:1 30:17
47:22 53:14

birth 28:2

baseline 68:24
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being 7:6 19:12


40:21 48:18
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66:24

available 17:7
32:3 50:9 57:14
58:5
Avenue 53:20

bases 7:18 73:15

avoid 15:6 34:16

basically 70:3

aware 16:5,7
23:11 48:19

basics 6:4

away 19:5 24:14,


19 42:8

battlefield 14:25
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believe 41:15
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black 8:3

believes 50:20

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51:11 63:15

35:18 37:20
51:21 59:11
64:22

building 11:16
15:21 29:2
65:19 73:4

calling 44:15

campgrounds
55:14

bottom 39:17
47:18

built 12:6 15:3,


18,23 16:19,20
20:3 40:8,17
41:18,23 42:1,6
48:25 50:5
51:22 59:11

boundary 53:24

buried 41:9

Box 25:5 70:2

bursts 31:3

boys 54:10 55:12

bury 19:8

brag 36:10

business 22:10
23:4 30:10,15
52:10,15 57:20
74:8

bodies 20:20
25:21 64:7,10
Bolden 57:12
born 52:13
both 5:5 26:17
63:8 71:25

brand 13:22
Brazil 45:6
Brian 5:4 6:9 8:6
10:3,16 11:3,4
21:3 22:18
26:17 28:25
31:15 33:13,16
75:18
bright 40:14
bring 10:19
17:25 63:5
70:10
brother-in-law
47:6
brown 17:19
Brunswick 21:7
52:12 66:6
budget 11:13
bugaboo 45:12
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businesses 7:6
28:24
buy 17:1,2 46:5,
17
buying 13:20
17:3 46:12,18
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calculations
16:22
California 48:20
call 23:13 36:24
42:20 44:11
52:14 71:11
called 7:9 11:22
14:7 18:12,23
24:11 26:10

came 29:21 70:3


74:23

can 5:15,16,18,
21,24 8:8,25
10:2,4 11:6 13:9
17:18 20:10
22:23 23:11,15,
25 24:8,18
29:15,16 30:25
33:13 34:25
35:14 36:10,19
37:16 39:10,14,
41:19,22 47:2,
11,21 51:13,15
55:7 56:5,24
57:1,9,16,21
58:20 59:8
60:13,24 63:12
65:8,18 67:4
68:19 69:15
70:24 71:4 72:8
73:24
can't 19:2 25:1,
9,23 47:4
cannot 39:12
67:3

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card 57:21
care 10:25 33:2
career 68:4 71:7
careful 71:21
72:3
carefully 72:4
cares 53:15
caribou 41:16,
18,19,21
Carolina 10:9
11:17 15:19
16:13 49:20,23
51:13 63:3
64:19
case 53:22 61:10
cases 74:1
catch 20:9
category 32:12
cathodic 18:24
19:8 48:13 49:3
cause 60:24
61:12
caused 75:9
causes 14:21
19:4
causing 60:18
center 26:1
37:11
centerline 14:12

canoed 55:12,13

certain 61:2 67:8

capability 36:14

certainly 6:15
22:11 30:4
71:19

capacity 12:12
car 16:9 30:12
carbon 19:9,11

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certificate 5:9

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claiming 39:18

color 45:7

common 19:12

certification
26:12

clarify 67:23,25
75:6

Com 56:10

CFR 36:20
59:18

class 50:6

communities
10:23 13:11
16:8 22:6,10
23:3

Chally 5:1,3
23:8,24 24:23,
25 25:3,25
26:13 27:3,11
30:23 31:1 39:9,
21 40:3 42:12
45:15 49:6 52:2
53:18 56:24
57:4,12,16,23,
25 66:2 67:15,
69:23 76:1
chance 66:15
change 32:7,23
33:25 34:24
35:15

clean 18:19 20:3,


10 70:11 74:20
75:10
cleaned 75:12,13

come 13:6 23:13,


16 24:19 40:3
42:13 48:8,9
52:2 55:22 56:9
63:20 67:16
75:21 76:3
comes 19:21
43:16 63:17

compacted
18:20

clips 34:25

coming 5:2 6:8


21:16,17 22:3
24:25 29:10
44:19 46:16
56:21 65:2
66:17

companies 9:22
30:9,11 31:6,20
35:12 42:1
63:15 65:18
68:17 71:10,12,
14

clock 37:15
62:18

commendable
38:6

close 24:13 37:8,


16 66:24

comment 5:11,
13,14,15,16,18,
23 6:5 23:12,15
26:5 49:12 51:9
56:19,25 69:24
70:3 76:2

company 6:13
7:3 8:14,22
38:14,19 39:6
51:15,20 52:21
53:10 56:9
65:17 69:15
71:24

cleaning 68:1
71:7 74:25
cleanup 33:24
65:14 71:10
clear 41:22
clearing 17:16

changes 45:7

cloth 35:21

Charleston
52:11

co-locating
13:12 59:20

Chattahoochee
72:1,6

Coast 54:2 71:1


coastal 25:6,11

comments 56:21

coated 18:12

Commerce
28:20

coating 18:12,
13,17 49:2

commercial 9:13
11:22 36:15

choice 24:8

coatings 41:4
48:13

commissioner
57:10

cite 47:2

code 36:19 37:3

citizen 50:14

cofferdam 65:20

commit 12:5
29:16

citizens 22:9

collects 64:8

city 71:13,14
72:2

Collins 73:11,12

cheap 51:5,6
cheaper 46:5
check 40:22
checking 44:10

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10:25 21:13
54:9 56:22 64:8

Colonial 71:25

commitments
12:7 22:6 66:13
committing
24:10 37:9

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31:10 42:24
70:8 71:17
compatible
60:10
competitive
46:16
competitor's
71:24
complete 39:14
complex 31:14
components
9:12
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computer 37:22
43:4

console 37:15
62:18

contractors
35:15 50:17,
68:22

concern 24:1
28:4 66:10,15
70:13

construct 49:22
58:18

control 37:11
73:13

constructed
20:14 36:22

controlled 37:4,
6

constructing
6:22 29:1

controllers
43:13
convenience
26:10,16,18
27:1 28:6 38:18
39:7

conclude 76:2

construction 9:9
10:6 15:14
17:11,15 20:16
50:5,11 62:8,9
63:4,7

concluded 12:17
76:6

consultations
39:5

convince 46:1

conclusion 6:16

consumer 51:4
53:16 74:21

corporate 22:9
23:4

consuming
67:12

Corps 10:7
25:19,21 56:23
58:10

concerned 24:3
50:13,15 53:23
54:16 55:8,11
71:21 72:14
75:23
concerns 22:15
50:25 65:14

concrete 20:6,7
conduct 59:11
conducted 11:22
conducting
12:18 59:17
conference
53:14
confused 68:11,
14
confusion 75:7
connections
19:22
conscious 52:22
53:6 71:5
consider 58:14
considering 28:8
54:12 58:15
consistent 51:16

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consists 9:25

consumption
28:3
contact 57:21
62:1
contacted 13:5
38:24

convey 53:3
copy 57:17,22

correct 33:13
44:19 54:25
58:7,8 59:23
62:9
correctly 59:16

containment
20:9

corridor 58:25
59:1

contains 55:1

corridors 13:13

contemplate
46:12

corrosion 18:14,
23 36:4,9

continually 50:8

costs 46:5

contracting
50:18

could 23:20 25:8


35:19 43:2
57:20 60:6
64:13 66:19

contractor 51:3
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73:20
counties 8:19
17:5 64:1,5
71:17 72:15
country 7:13
18:2 22:6 33:18
63:15
county 9:5 14:23
17:9 20:20,23
21:6 22:12
63:23,24 64:3,4,
6,7 69:14,16
70:8
couple 7:17
45:15 46:2
53:18 55:14,23
58:2 62:21 63:2,
3 65:18
course 26:13
56:17 58:9
court 5:19 23:9,
14 40:5
cousins 45:5
cover 8:18 35:25
covers 11:13
29:12
crews 14:9,10,
13,14 17:16
64:23
criterion 27:16
critical 73:10
crops 60:13
cross 23:18 24:2,
6 25:21 55:9,10,
22 61:2 70:24
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13:22 63:16
crosses 71:2
crossing 25:18
37:2 54:5
crossings 24:11
35:2,3 41:18
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D
D-a-r-i-e-n 70:2
Dakota 66:17
damage 60:21,
23 61:8
damaging 60:19

crude 67:7

Darien 70:2

crudes 67:8

Darrell 49:8,15

cruise 62:4

data 32:19,20,22

CSX 14:2

date 51:17

cultural 14:16

David 26:1

curb 20:7,9
current 18:24
19:7,10

day 7:23 12:10,


12 21:23
days 24:7 32:17
34:20 51:22

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delivering 8:11
74:13

detect 43:8
44:20

delivery 28:15
29:4 30:13

detecting 45:7

deluge 34:23

determine 26:9

demand 27:19,
21

determined
68:19

demands 27:18

determines
26:13

denatured 16:4
department 5:8,
17,21 23:10
31:11 32:4 57:1,
5,8,9,19

detection 40:22

determining
27:17
devastated 74:20

depends 60:9

developed 40:23
64:21

depict 55:25
56:3

diagrams 12:21

depicted 12:20

dialogue 6:15,20
10:14,23

DC 19:9

describe 27:4

diameter 18:10

dead 44:1

diapers 35:21

deal 48:3

described 26:17,
25

customer 30:6
53:15

dealt 53:11

describes 27:23

decided 61:11

describing 33:3

customers 9:14,
17 11:23 12:8,
16 26:25 27:6,
24 28:10,12,15,
17,18,23 29:15
30:6,17 66:13,
16 67:13

decisions 27:17

desecrated 15:4

define 26:9

design 9:12 10:2


12:17 61:5

cut 18:7 64:23

delicate 75:1

destroyed 65:7

cutting 40:18

delineate 55:19

Cypress 14:7
17:10 51:18

delineated 58:18

destructive
58:13

currently 7:22
8:13,16,17,19,
23 20:24 28:16
curved 24:19

defined 15:3
27:16
definition 27:1
34:4

deliver 7:19
30:7,9
delivered 29:6

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36:21 67:1
designing 13:12

detail 47:22
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8
didn't 24:7
35:23 43:13
48:14
die-off 65:7
diesel 7:7,12,19
9:21 12:10
15:24,25 16:2
35:16
differ 40:7
different 17:14
18:2,3 28:16
40:19
difficulties 43:6
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digging 17:21
61:17
direct 57:9
direction 27:14
directional
25:12
directly 26:8
30:7 59:25
director 6:10
11:5
dirt 17:24 18:19
disagree 54:13
disclose 28:19
disclosing 29:14
discussion 69:1
dispute 69:9
disruptions 31:3
disruptive 24:9
58:23
ditch 18:19
divided 64:10
document 12:4
29:15 31:12
59:15
documents 31:9
doing 17:20 24:5
32:22 36:12
37:19 46:15
54:10,15,17
56:7 59:9 60:1
70:21 74:8 75:5
dollar 9:24
10:19 11:11
dollars 11:12
20:19

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dolphin 23:17
domain 38:13
39:17,20
domestic 27:25
28:3 73:6
domestically
45:24 46:3,10

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due 32:14 34:18,


19 58:24

economy 22:25

dug 64:23

edge 36:11 40:18

durable 18:13

effective 74:13

during 12:1 21:4


34:22 62:8 63:4,
7

effort 10:24
56:12

done 9:1 33:2


34:20 50:12
52:15,24 72:8
74:15

duty 37:14

DOT 5:10,11
26:12,13,22
27:15 35:4,24
56:22

each 33:22
47:12,13,22
64:5

down 11:19
15:16 23:9 38:4
43:22 44:9 45:5
49:18 52:19
60:24 64:12
67:9

earliest 44:4

drill 24:14,15,
17,18,21,22
25:17 59:4
drilling 24:12
25:7,12 58:5
59:7
drip 20:8 32:16
drive 19:9 37:7,
18 49:9 52:5
66:6
driven 25:19
driving 30:17
61:21
drove 72:22
dry 55:14

earlier 23:8 56:1


early 10:13
15:11 44:3,24,
25 45:9
Earth 12:25
earthen 61:6
earthquake
70:16
easement 13:20,
21,25 14:24
39:3 59:24 60:2,
8,12 65:3 68:18
easements 60:3
easier 58:22
East 54:2
eastern 7:23
53:24
easy 35:10 65:5
70:20
economic 20:15
23:1 73:25

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ecosystem 42:1

efforts 70:22
eight 59:14
either 16:9 21:21
32:4 37:2
Elba 51:21
elected 6:21
electrons 19:5,
10
else 55:3 70:17
71:15 73:24
emergency 22:8
eminent 38:12
39:17,20
employee 9:3
75:18
employees 9:3
50:19
employment
27:9
encourage 31:8,
24
end 21:23 24:17
51:18
endangered
14:15 15:10
54:18
ends 18:15
energy 6:22
22:24 23:1

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50:20 72:24
engineering 6:10
11:5 25:20
40:12 42:16
engineers 10:3,7
40:15 56:23
58:10
enough 59:7
65:6
enters 24:16
entire 21:2 58:19
73:10
entirety 41:10
entity 39:15
environmental
21:10 50:24
73:25
environmentally
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75:6

exchange 6:15

extensive 8:14

evening 5:2,6 6:2


72:22

exist 8:13 48:14

eye 19:2

event 20:7 39:12

existing 7:8 11:9,


14,15 13:13,15,
19,21 14:6
17:10 29:2
58:25 60:3

eventually 48:5
ever 20:7 37:6,
16 44:20 52:15
every 22:18
25:17 29:23
35:4,10,11 36:4
47:14 48:9 50:4,
14 51:4 55:13,
19 71:13

everyone 50:13
66:1

erosion 60:25

exact 64:18

essentially 15:2

examinations
54:11,15,18

evaluating 13:8
evaluation 47:23
even 19:2 39:17
45:11 46:12
52:11 69:14
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expansion 7:1
23:2 28:14
73:21

expense 69:6,7

everywhere
63:10

evaluate 26:22

expanding 22:24

everybody's
40:17

equipment 35:16
61:3,25

evacuations 47:1

expand 9:4

expect 12:11
15:8 20:25

epoxy 18:13

ethanol 9:22
12:11 16:4,5,11,
15

existence 27:5

everybody 16:4,
7 53:5

everything 10:12
53:9

establish 26:15

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experience 54:15
65:16,17 67:19,
22 68:1,5 71:6
74:24 75:3,19
experienced
50:2

F
facilities 15:18
29:1,4
facility 21:4
30:14 32:11,12
50:6 53:1 62:25
fact 9:16 37:4
43:12 49:20
71:22
facts 72:14
failing 32:15
fair 68:18
fairly 20:18
24:16
fall 32:11
familiar 68:23
69:13
family 52:24

expertise 63:17

fantastic 56:11
far 24:19 27:22
75:2

examiners 54:14

experts 14:17,18
18:4 54:13,16
70:11 71:9 75:5,
10

examining 53:23

exploration 15:9

fast 70:10

example 7:15
8:22 58:20
64:14

explosions 47:1

fatalities 47:1
54:21

examples 47:2

exposed 45:1

fault 27:15
70:14,24 71:2

excavate 65:20

extend 10:14

feature 55:19

exceed 10:4 35:6

extends 7:2

features 55:22

exception 16:9

extension 7:8 8:4


11:9

federal 10:5
15:12 35:4,24

export 28:9,12
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farm 15:21
32:13

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finest 50:9

footage 34:25

fee 17:1 30:19

fires 47:1

footprint 7:2

feel 54:12 75:22

firm 5:4

feet 35:25 42:18

firms 50:18

fellow 56:11

first 10:1 13:7


38:21 50:16
51:4,12 52:8
68:14 70:20

Fore 5:5 6:7,8


20:13 21:14
23:20 28:9
29:18,23 30:3
31:5 33:3,7,10
36:16 38:14,17
41:6 47:9,17,21
51:24 64:2,6
68:8,21 69:7,12,
21 72:17 73:4
75:6,24

fenced 32:12
Fernandina
52:19
few 14:22 32:7,
20 37:10 43:12,
21 48:8 52:2,17
66:3

first-class 53:1,
10
Fish 10:7
fishes 47:6

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13:18,23 14:4
15:20,22 16:11,
12,13 17:3 18:4,
5,23 19:5,11,12
21:17,18 22:16,
17 24:14,19
26:8,12 27:22
28:11 30:21
37:13 38:22
40:7 42:8 45:21
48:6 49:22
51:18 56:9
60:21,23 63:9,
17 66:13,17

fifth 6:18 35:4


36:5

five 24:1 25:13


32:9 33:1 40:25
58:6 62:17 63:1

foreign 27:20,25
28:1

figure 41:21

five-acre 17:1

form 52:16

filed 5:8

fix 75:21

formal 22:8

filing 15:11

fixing 49:4

formed 19:12

fuel 7:12,16
15:24,25 27:19,
24 47:5

fill 7:20 30:11


73:1,19

flat 27:19

former 15:20

fuels 27:21 28:4

flaws 19:1

forming 19:6

full-time 21:1

film 44:12

Florida 10:9
16:10 49:20,23

forth 74:21

fully 15:3 49:25


58:18

field 54:13

filters 35:16
fin 42:7
final 54:24 55:1
finalizing 16:20
finally 51:19
find 14:20,21
36:3,8 47:12
49:4 56:5 63:10,
11,14,18 69:4,9
76:4

flow 19:10 37:23


42:17 43:20
73:14

forward 6:16
12:8 22:7

funds 64:9

fossil 27:19,21
28:4

further 10:15
39:23 75:6

flower 49:10

found 14:23 15:5

fly 35:7,12 73:20

four 35:25 42:18


62:24 63:1

fusion-bonded
18:13,17

finding 13:1
44:11

folks 5:25 6:8


11:6 12:3,23
13:5 14:8,11
15:5 21:11
31:25 40:14
56:7,9 62:19
63:17 71:11

fine 5:23 22:22


25:2 47:17

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