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Hi
I'am using ansys cfx 10, and I'am making a simulation of jet flow at low Re
numbers. I used a SST model and now I don't know how find the fluctuating
velocity of the flow. Someone can help me.
Thanks
September 18, 2007, 16:11
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You can calculate the magnitude of the fluctuating component from the Turbulence
Kinetic Energy. If you look it up in the documenation, you'll see that the turbulent
kinetic energy (k) is defined as:
k=1/2*u^2
where u is the fluctuating component of velocity. Based on this you can estimate
the fluctuating component as:
u = sqrt(2k)
In CEL that would be:
Fluctuating Component = sqrt(2*Turbulence Kinetic Energy)
-CycLone
September 19, 2007, 03:20
Max
Thank you so much
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For anisotropic flow , the kinetic energy is defined as k = * (u'^2 + v'^2 +

w'^2) = * (3 * u'^2) = 3/2 u'^2 where (') denotes fluctuating velocity
component. Agree?
September 19, 2007, 14:35
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Yes, good point. You're right, since u is a vector, the turbulent kinetic energy
should be 3/2u'^2. My bad.
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Hi guys,
What do I do if I want to find u', v' and w' (the fluctuating velocity in each
direction)? Using this method would only allow me to find u'. Or am I
understanding this wrong?
And what exactly do you mean by anisotropic flow?
June 22, 2010, 20:54
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If you are using an isotropic turbulence model (eg the 2-eqn models) then u', v'
and w' is the same by definition. Only the RSM model allows for a difference
between u', v' and w'.
Look at a turbulence modelling textbook for more details, "Turbulence Modelling for
CFD" by Wilcox is the one I recommend.
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Hi!
I'm using the BSL Reynolds Stress model and I want to know how can I find u', v'
and w' (the fluctuating velocity in each direction).
Can they be calculated with the "Reynolds Stress uu, vv..." variable or with another
variable?
How can I obtain this terms?
Thanks
April 20, 2011, 19:59
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See a turbulence modelling textbook eg Wilcox.
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But in the CFX Documentation it is written explicitly that Reynolds Stresses may be
used by means of CCL!! But How?
Jessica
April 4, 2012, 08:27
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The CFX reference manual lists the availabel CEL variables. I think Reynolds
Stresses are available if you have an appropriate turbulence model enabled.
April 4, 2012, 08:41
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yeah i have chosen one of them and i am awaiting the reply of ANSYS-Support
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Right click in the expression window and all available functions and expressions are
shown.
e.g.
massFlowAve(Reynolds Stress uu + Reynolds Stress uw)@outlet
April 5, 2012, 04:49
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I need them in Pre and not only at Boundaries...
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#15
You can use them in pre and monitoring them while running, this can also be done
at specified points or max/min/ave of the entire domain
You can also use variables while specifying the boundaries. for example make the
velocity or temperature dependent of time or other variable.
question is if you would get the time fluctuationg part from abstractin u.trans avg
from u
p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; } Velocity u - Averaged Velocity u
of that I am not sure.
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I know that i am working with it since the begin of my phd but i know i tried to
use RSM and want to calibrate the rs.vv to zero (another topic) by introducing
some damping.. but it still showing me that the variables are not available..
jessica
June 24, 2012, 04:24
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How to find the Reynolds stresses uu, vv, ww, uv, uw and vw in CFD post?
@Zaktatir: Any luck in finding the method to specify RS in CFX-Pre?
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If you are doing a RSM model it will be in the results file by default (unless you
). You will find it under the puzzlingly labelled "..." button.
took it out
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#19
I found it. Just made the contour plot and found them as variables.
One more thing. As we know that linear eddy viscosity models assumes that the
turbulence stress is linked to mean rate of strain or mean velocity gradient. So
in that case uu, vv and ww are equal. While in RSM model they have markable
difference in magnitude. But still I have good results with these two equation
models. Why?
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The RSM and 2-eqn models use very different approaches, as you point out. If uu,
vv and WW are quite different and therefore the turbulence is anisotropic you
would think that means the 2eqn models should have problems. Your report that
they match suggests:
1) Turbulence is not significantly affecting the flow - for instance an airfoil
simulation will predict very similar lift regardless of the turbulence model. The drag
will be quite different though.
2) It could be the anisotropy is not significantly affecting the flow.
3) It could be just luck, and at a different operating point results are quite different
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