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CV70 (Chemical)
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10 Nov 09 15:06
I got vessel dimension e.g. 4600 Dia x 22300 tan tan (mm)
What does "tan tan" stand for?
Apologizes for this simple question - I am not a native English speaker winky sm
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SNORGY (Mechanical) 10 Nov 09 15:36
It is (unofficially):
"Tan-To-Tan" = "Seam-To-Seam" + 4 inches
The "Tan" is the tangent point where the curvature of a formed head starts. The
"Seam" is the point at which the head is welded to the shell; it is common for
there to be a 2" straight length beyond the "Tan" for this purpose.
Regards,
SNORGY.
zdas04 (Mechanical) 10 Nov 09 15:40
CV70,
There is nothing to apologize for. A large number of native English speakers (m
yself included) did not have a clue what tan-to-tan means. Thanks SNORGY for ed
ucating all of us.
David
bimr (Civil/Environmental) 10 Nov 09 17:57
Tan-tan is an abreviation for the length of a vessel from tangent line to tangen
t line. The tangent line is the point where the tank head is welded to the tank
cylinder.
Tangent Line: Refers to the point of contact (tangency) between the cylinder and
the knuckle portion of the vessel head. The distance from the tangent line on o
ne head to the tangent line on the opposite head is known as the straight side,
or tangent-to-tangent (T/T).
http://www.prentex.com/glossary.php
The depth of tank heads will vary with the diameter of the head. You would have
to visit a head manufacturer's catalog to determine the height of a head. There
are also different types of heads: dished, spherical, etc.
CV70 (Chemical)
(OP)
11 Nov 09 02:37
Snorgy,
Bimr,
thank you for this very good explanations and extremely fast replies.
Zdas04,
thanks for the encouraging words. Makes me feel better. smile
I very am impressed about this forum and its members!
Regards

Christian
europipe (Chemical) 11 Nov 09 05:49
Snorgy and Bimr,
What I learned was:
The tangent line is the line where the radius of the tank
passes into the straight cylinder.
That is mostly not the weld seam.
"Tangent Line: Refers to the point of contact (tangency) between the cylinder a
nd the knuckle portion of the vessel"That is right bimr.
The haed mostly has a straight piece.
(And please excuse me too for poor grammar,English is not my native language eit
her)
Greetings
bimr (Civil/Environmental) 11 Nov 09 10:38
This head manufacturer states that the straight flange portion of the head measu
red from the tangent line to the edge of the head is an industry standard 1-1/2"
, but this may vary slightly by manufacturer or project.
http://www.brightontruedge.com/types.htm
Further information can be obtained by reviewing this ASME course:
http://files.asme.org/asmeorg/Governance/Volunteer/CareerSeries/9667.pdf
davsy (Mechanical) 11 Nov 09 16:11
Be careful with the assumed 2" straight flange. As Bimr has pointed out above a
lot of manufacturers use 1.5" for the straight flange and that has certainlybeen
my experience over the last too many yers.
moltenmetal (Chemical) 12 Nov 09 08:27
Tan to tan dimensioning is used in part BECAUSE you don't know the straight flan
ge length until the vessel is designed. Depending on the vessel size, the vesse
l designer may use a head (of varying dimension as davsy has pointed out), or if
the vessel is small enough they may use a pipe cap- definitely different strai
ght flange length on those!
JohnGP (Mechanical) 13 Nov 09 21:10
Yes, sometimes it is better to work with S/S (weld Seam-to-Seam) dimensions - th
en there is a chance of keeping to standard plate widths (lower cost), unless th
ere are special process or other reasons for specifying something different.
Cheers,
John
hockchong (Mechanical) 4 Dec 09 02:29
Guys,
Don't forget that for Hemi Head vessel, the situation is totally different. S/S
> T/T. It will required both thickness to determine the T/T.
HC
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