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Setembre September Septiembre 2014
Cincia ciutadana
Citizen science
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Entrevista / Interview
Neil A. Gershenfeld /
Vicente Guallart
Editorial
INTERVIEW
A conversation with
Neil A. Gershenfeld and Vicente Guallart
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Interview
Internet was invented. Now fab labs are working on
machines that make machines, so fab labs make fab labs
(those were the hobby computers) and the research we are
doing is leading up to the personal fabricator. That is still a
research project one machine that can make anything
but the historical lesson is: You didnt have to wait 20
years from the invention of the PC before you could start
using the internet. So the revolution is here today. There
are still many years to work on the technology, but the revolution has already arrived.
Mr Guallart, in your book The Self-Sufficient City, you
make a striking assertion: The Internet has changed our
lives but it hasnt changed our cities, yet. How will the
digital revolution change the way we live now?
Vicente Guallart: The architecture of cities is the last to
change when society undergoes a transformation such as
the one we are experiencing now. We usually build our idea
of society according to the technologies we have at hand at
a given time and place. In the 21st century we are all globally connected, and thanks to the Internet we have gained
access to all sorts of information generated around the
world. This information will enable us to produce our own
goods in a self-sufficient way. We are not there yet, but we
will be able to produce locally only if we are globally
connected. So, we sense that a big change is looming on the
horizon but it hasnt happened yet. We see that we live in a
different way and use technologies in a new way, but the
way that cities work with the idea of fabrications, the way
we produce food, the way we recycle materials All these
point to a larger change, so we are waiting to see the technologies that will transform our cities. For now, we can see
that the way we move around and the way we produce
energy is going to change in the near future.
N.G.: Today our cities import goods and produce trash that
we can only partially recycle. We are still immersed in the
PITO model (Product In, Trash Out) but we are moving
towards a new model in which the flow of information will
be the key. The DIDO model (Data In, Data Out) will enable
information to flow so that production can be based locally.
If we decrease the flow of matter, the flow of information
will increase.
How is this change going to come about?
V.G.: In the city of the near future, all houses and businesses
will necessarily be connected to the Internet. The city of
the future should be a metropolis of neighbourhoods, where
everybody should be able to walk to work or have a bakery
or a swimming pool or a fab lab within walking distance.
Barcelona is implementing a plan to have a fab lab for every
district and thus create a public network of fab labs in order
to make technology accessible to everyone.
It has been said that the first fab lab at MIT appeared as if
by accident. How did it come about?
N.G.: From CBA and MIT the answer is very narrow. We had
a big grant from the National Science Foundation and they
asked us to show the social impact of the research and we
had no idea, so we just set up a lab as a requirement for the
grant, and then they have been doubling it for ten years
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On the previous
page, from left to
right, Vicente
Guallart, Chief
Architect of the City
Council and founder
of the Barcelona
network of fab labs,
and Neil A.
Gershenfeld,
professor at the
Massachussetts
Institute of
Technology (MIT)
and director of the
Center for Bits and
Atoms.
Interview
the countries and cities that are productive will be able
decide their own future. This is why the city of Barcelona
has decided to create a plan similar to the one that was
developed 100 years ago with the libraries. Recently I was
at the Boston Public Library, and at the entrance there is a
motto that says FREE TO ALL, which is an invitation to
open the knowledge of academics to all citizens. Until now,
technology was closed to universities and we have decided
to open it to everyone. This is why in Barcelona we are
developing a plan to set up a laboratory in each district in
the same way that we have libraries, schools, health centres,
etc. We work to make technology accessible to everyone,
we create a network that allows the community to work
together... and this is fundamental to grant people the right
to decide their future for themselves. Today many people
are calling for a revolution, but we are already making a
revolution, empowering the citizens, allowing them to have
the tools to connect with other people and to share knowledge. We also want to empower cities, because often cities
have collapsed, not only economically but also intellectually when confronted with the question, What to do next?
In the 50s, after the Second World War, the economy was
being pushed forward by democracy, mostly in America,
and we were all growing together. Today, though, the money
is coming from places that are not very democratic, like
China or Russia or the Middle East... so we need to invent
other ways to manage the economy in order to empower
and to connect economic growth to democracy.
What are the current main obstacles that make cities resistant to change, or contrary to the emergence of new cities?
It seems that the logic of big companies is that people are
meant to consume rather than to create technology...
N.G.: No, thats not exactly the problem. Remember that
when the personal computer appeared, the leading
computer companies all failed because they considered PCs
a toy; they did not see them as a threat. In the same way, big
government or big business are not threatened because
they see fab labs as toys; they dont understand them. The
biggest challenge for fab labs is not confrontation but organization: building an organisational capacity. What Vicente
and his colleagues have done is profound. They have essentially taken over running the city to build that capacity.
There arent direct obstacles The hard part is to build the
organisational capacity to support this revolution. So we
had to spin off a fab foundation and a fab academy to help
support this growing network, and projects like the one
Vicente is leading in Barcelona are building the civic infrastructure. Its a real invention: he is inventing new ways to
organise the city around a new notion of infrastructure. And
so thats the limitation, sort of inventing a new city, because
if anybody can make anything, how can you live, work and
play?
In an article published in Foreign Affairs in 2012, you said
that the hype for 3D printers can be compared with the
interest that newspapers showed for the microwave oven in
the 50s, when it was seen as a substitute for cooking. Now
we know that microwave ovens have improved our lives, but
that we still need the rest of the utensils to cook. The fab
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Eva Vzquez
Toms Dez
Director of Fab Lab Barcelona
Past
The goal of the Fab City project is to develop a fully productive city whose
inhabitants share their knowledge to solve local problems and set up new
businesses and education schemes. Barcelona already has two manufacturing
athenaeums which take inspiration from this philosophy.
Todays financial, environmental, social and political crises
are the result of a production model that has been forged
over a period of more than a hundred years. This model is
based on oil as a source of energy and a raw material, on
mass production and on a standardised global economic
system. Modern industrialisation feeds on the natural
resources of Africa and the Americas, on oil from the Middle
East and on cheap labour in Asia.
Today, the technology, resources and administrative
organisation of our cities (generally based on models that
emerged in very different economic, social political, envir onmental and technological conditions decades and even
centuries ago) are very nearly obsolete, while our current
level of consumption is threatening their sustainability for
future generations.
The model that shaped the industrial city put production centres right at its heart and absorbed much of the
rural population. Later on, manufacturing left the city and
moved thousands of miles away, which led to an increase in
consumption of fossil fuels, reduced work opportunities
and worst of all separated consumption operations from
production processes. Cities have turned into vast rubbish
factories and their survival depends on the technology that
is produced far away. They are the physical manifestation of
our current consumption-based model.
Cities (which are mankinds most complex creation, the
scene of most of our interactions and where the biggest
challenges for the future lie) need technology to work, to
provide their inhabitants with conveniences and to meet
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