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WrittenBySreenadhOG
AsallofyoumayknowthenameofJaiminiasaJyotisastrapravartaka(propagatorsofancient
indianastrologicalwisdom)isnotavailableinanyofthepopularlistsofJyotisastrapravartakas.
ManyusedtowonderwhythenameofJaiminiisnotmentionedinanyofthoselists,ifJaiminiis
anancientsagewhowrotebooksonastrology.Thiswriteupisanefforttoanswerthisquestion.
ItiswrongtosaythatthenameofJaiminiisnotmentionedinanyofthelistsbutitwouldbe
rathercorrecttostatethat,Jaimini'snameisnotmentionedinanyoftheliststhatrefertothe18
familiesof`propagatorsofastrology'.Jaiminiisnotpartofthenonvedic18familytraditionof
astrology,butofthevedic8familytraditionofastrology.ButwhenIsayso,Iamsupposedto
providesomereferencesaswell,regardingthe8familytraditionandalsoaboutthefamilies
includedonthatlist.Hereitgoes
ChamatkaraChintamaniisatextsthatbuildsupandprovidestheresultsforplanetsinallthe12
housesbasedontheancient18familytraditionofastrology.Butwhilespeakingaboutthe
propagatorsofastrologyChamatkaraChintamanistates"Vadantashtadeemantamanye
muneendraH"(Sloka63.)[Itistoldthatthereare8othersagesaswell(popularaspropagatorsof
astrology)].Thisstatementkindlesourcuriosity.Fromthewording"othersages"itisevidentthat
theauthorofChamatkaraChintamanidoesnotconsiderhimselfasafollowerofthis8sages(or8
family)tradition.Butthequestioniswhoarethese8ancientsages,thekulaacharyasof8families
whocontributedtoastrology?Thefollowingquoteanswersourcuriosity

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EtechashtausamakhyatajyotiHsastravidhayakaH
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[Atreya,Asmarathya,Audulomi,Karshnalini(Karsnajini),Kasakrintana(Kasakrtsna),Jaimini,
Badari,Badarayana(Parasari)these8sagesareknownasteachersprovidesuswiththerules
regardingastrology(theytooarethepropagatorsofastrology)]
Thisisinteresting!These8namesarenotpopularincurrentastrology,andpossiblythisisthe
onlylistavailablethatmentionsthenamesofJaiminiasanancientpropagatorof
astrology.ThesystempropagatedbytheBadarayanamentionedaboveistheonepopularwith
thenameParasarinowadaysandisthebaseofBPHS.AmongthosementionedaboveParasariand
Jaiminisystemsarepopulartoday,butwehavenonewsabouttheastrologicalcontributionof
Atreya,Asmarathya,Audulomi,Karshnalini(Karsnajini),Kasakrintana(Kasakrtsna)andBadari
mentionedintheabovelist.Itisinterestingtonotethatthis8familyteacherlistisprimarily
availableinBrahmaSutraswrittenbyBadrayana.TheyareallVedicritualteachersandreformists.
Isitpossiblethattheabovequoteandlistisamadeuponewhereaftertakingthelistof8vedic
scholarsmentionedBrahmaSutrasomeoneaddedtheword"jyotiHsastravidhayakaH"intoit?Till
weknowmoreabouttheauthenticityoftheabovequotethisdoubttooshouldbekeptalive.(Igot
theaboveslokafromaMalayalamcommentarytoPhaladeepikaasquotedbyBrahmasriCheruvalli
NarayananNambootiri,andhedoesnotgiveanyreferenceregardingwherethisquoteistaken
from).Butasofnow,letusassumethattheabovequoteisauthenticandthatitpointstoan
ancientastrologicaltraditionanalternateschoolofthought.
Noneofthepopularancientastrologicalclassicsmentionstheirnamesorreferstotheirastrological
contribution!Why?Theanswertothisquestionpossiblyliesinthefactthatmostofthe
astrologicalclassicsavailabletodayisacontinuationofoneorotherof18familytraditionandnot
ofthenotknown8familytradition.Letushaveabriefunderstandingaboutboththesetraditions.

18familyagama(nonvedic)tradition
Theancientindianastrologymainlydependsontheteachingsof18familiespossiblyofnonvedic
or early vedic stream. Skanda, Vasishta, Kausika, Surya, Sounaka, Manu, Chayavana, Yavana,
Brigu, Garga are all among these 18 ancient masters of astrology. Not only the available ancient
textsandquotesofthese18acharyasandtheirfollowers,butalsoeventhemedievalscholarslike
Mihira (Brihat Jataka 6 th century), Gunakara (Hora Makaranda 6 th century), Balabhadra
(Hora Ratna), Acharya Narasimha (Hora Sara 16 th century), Kalyana Varma (Saravali 10th
century), Bhattolpala (commentry of Brihat Jataka 9 th century), Talakkulattu Govinda
Bhattatiri(DasadhyayicommentaryofBrihatJataka15thcentury),Kaikulangara(Hridyapatha
commentaryofBrihatJataka19 thcentury),BallalaSena(AdbhutaSamhita12thcentury)are
alltextsthatbelongtothistraditioninitiatedbythisancient18familiestheancient.Butplease
note that the Jaimini sutra text available today, the Tajik jyotisha texts, the lal kitab texts, the
RamalaJyotishtextsandthecurrentBPHSwithtoomuchJaiminimethodsinterpolationDOES
NOTbelongtothistradition(butofcoursemanyofancientmethodsandinfothatisnotpartof
JaiminisystempresentincurrentBPHSdoesbelongtothistradition).

8familynigama(vedic)tradition
Butthenwefindapossiblylaterdaystreamoftheteachingsof8familiespossiblyofvedicorlater
vedicstream.AmongthemonlytheastrologicalteachingsofJaiminiandBadarayana(Parasari)
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are popular as of now possibly the version of astrological teaching introduced by some vedic
reformists of the 8 family order. Let us see who they are Atreya, Asmarathya, Audulomi,
Karsnajini, Kasakrtsna, Jaimini, Badari, Parasari (Badarayana). Karmandibhiksu and
Alekhanaetcareotherpersonalitiesmentionedalongwiththem.Theywereallreformistsandritual
teachers but of nonconventional vedic order. The absence of early commentaries for the texts
written by the above masters indicate that these texts might be of much later origin possibly
between 10th to 17th century texts written by some notable individuals from the above family
order. Let us remember that the first commentary that refers to Jaimini Sutram named Phala
RatnamalabyKrishnaMishra(10501070)andKalpalathabyhissonSomanathMishraappeared
onlyin11thcenturyAD.FromtextslikeJaiminSutra,Badarayanasutrasetcwemayassumethat
thetextsbytheabove8generallywritteninasutrastyleandaredevoidofanyreferencetotheir
place,periodofcreationetcdepictingaconfusingandmadeupnatureingeneral.Theirwokscan
bebettertreatedaseffortsoflaterdayVedicritualiststoadoptandimproveuponthenonvedic
astrologicalfoundationinavedicway.Sincethereisnoevidencethatthescholarsoftheabove8
families who lived during the ancient vedic period talked much on astrology anywhere (in
Brahmanas,Aranyakas,discussionsonBrahmasutra,Meemamsatextsetc)itisdoubtfulthatthe
astrological literature ascribed to these families belongs to the vedic past. Most possibly (as
indicatedbytheabsenceofcommentariestotheirastrologicaltexts,orreferencestothemortheir
astrological texts in ancient astrological classics) it can concluded that the astrological texts
ascribed to these families must have been created by later day scholars of these families in their
efforttocreatethevedic(nigama)versionofthenonvedic(agama)branchofknowledgeastrology
an effort by the 8 vedic families to counter or extend the foundation provided by the ancient 18
family tradition. Possibly the astrological texts ascribed to this 8 ancient vedic families do not
belongtotheancientvedicpastbutoriginatedonlyafteroraround10thcenturyADitseems.
Till more evidence surfaces in favor or against the ancient 8 family origin and association of
astrologicalJaimini,Badarayanaetc,itcanonlybeassumedthat,maybeitwasallpartofaneffort
by the 10th century vedic brahmins to accept and assimilate this ancient agama branch of
knowledge into their knowledge base, after seeming the revival that happened to astrology after
MeenarajaandSphujidwaja(3rdCenturyTantircYamalafollowers?),Vararuchi(4 thcenturynorth
indianscholarwhogotsettledinKerala),Mihira(6 thcenturyindiansettledIranianofAvantiwho
learnedastrologyfromSrilanka?),Aryabhata(5thcenturyKeralaJainscholar)etcwhoadoptedand
developedthisancientAganamabranchofknowledgethatwasadoredbyAgamaTantrictradition
ofSkandahora,BrihatPrajapatya,BrahmaYamala,Adiyamalaetc.Butinsteadofintegratingand
adoptingthethenexistingastrologywiththeVedicastrologyasmentionedinAtharvaparisishta,
Atharva Vedanga Jyotisha the 8 family tradition seems to have taken the path of extending and
introducingnewinnovativemethodsofinterpretationsuchasCharakarakas,Rasidrishti,Argala,
NumerousdasasandsoonjustasdonebytheinnovatorsbehindthePrashnabranchofastrology
happening nearly the same time in Kerala started by Vararuchi of 4 th century AD that extended
upto the creation of texts such as Prshna Marga in 16 th century AD. The South Indian Prashna
stream and this 8 family stream seems to have much in common especially considering the fact
thatbothofthemmostlyuseanddependuponsecondarymethodologiesderivedbaseduponthe
foundationsystemprovidedbythe18familytraditions.

Thosewhoareinterestedinthisinformationbitcanbuilduponthispointerandstrengthentheir
foundation I hope that the followers of 8 family traditions (such as Jaimini and Parasari
systems)willutilizethisinformationandbuilduponitfurther.

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Tailpiece1:
Badari=TheBadariancultureprovidestheearliestdirectevidenceofagricultureinUpper Egypt
during the Predynastic Era. It flourished between 4500 to 3800 BCE, and might have already
existedasfarbackas5000BCE.
Isitpossiblethatthewordslike"Atreya,Asmarathya,Audulomi,Karsnajini,Kasakrtsna,Jaimini,
Badari, Parasari (Badarayana)" etc points to nonindian, or outside indian origin of these vedic
wordsandpeople?
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The18familynonvedicand8familyvedictraditionsofastrologyWrittenBySreenadh
OGAsallofyoumayknowthenameofJaiminiasaJyotisastra...

sreesog

Sep15,2009
3:16pm

Re:The18familynonvedicand8familyvedictraditionsofastrolo
DearAll,Notanythingimportantjustthinkingofsomepossibleconnections.Also
justrepostingamessageforwhichnoreplycameornodiscussion...

sreesog

Sep18,2009
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