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He has an important
commitment.
Malacaang. We can
bawat
isa.
Right
We
now,
can
he
was
continue
in
our
want to clarify, we
have
received
an
CCAD
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(cont. Atty.Ibay)
on record, what is the status of that e-mail and the
attachments
of
service
circulated
among
previous technical
the
participants
of
the
meeting.
Chair,
may
Cantara,PECE. I am
speak?
am
Engr.
Pierre
of the
then
resubmitted
the
said
proposal.
You
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democracy.net and
is on record.
ENGR. PIERRE TITO GALLA =
Democracy.net does not represent this working draft of the
NTC, instead, as you have seen the previous proposal, right?
There have been a lot of good suggestions from ISPs and a lot of
discussion on
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said on Page
conducting now
need
to
include
Number
the
Minimum
on
the
past
consumers to make it
what
they
are
paying for and that they get what they are paying
for. And in relation to what the other agencies like DTI and
the
DOJ are doing that it is the NTC that shall have the
mandate to at
standards no
sense
that
provider
we
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one
would
be,
moving
forward
from
our
meetings
previous to this
already
or
not.
So,
anything
would
also
be
good
validation tests in
points as contain
circulated now is
pointless if
Conference
actually
are
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to as the gentleman
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(cont. Engr.Galla)
we think be included because not just been it is good if we
are able to get 90% speed all the time that is great.
However, if outages are not included in the metrics, it
would be similar to excising the amount for our customer
experience so if we are able to include service reliability it
would also be good for all of us. And then, finally, on the
parameters that are presented here in the official minutes,
we also include them on the proposed draft. We agree that
some sort of first field measure
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real-time
applications
Massive Online
like
video,
live
streaming,
MOOCs,
packets, the client will tend to resend packets in the server and
it can add to bandwidth.
Sayang
young
bandwidth
kasi
(cont. Mr.Nazareno)
when packet loss reaches a certain level. And then also
latency is
is rely on real
time.
subscribers
experience.
the minutes of
following parameters
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the
measurements.
The
the
national network and (3) outside the LAN of the TelCo and
outside the national network. And the last point is the
results,
released
(cont. Engr.Panes)
will be dealing on this agenda because we are trying to
come with the parameters that we are going to consider in
measuring the
Ibay?
was
That is
to be measured. So,
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speed
think we
be no
had
been
discussed.
We
were
simply
would
be
more
of
our
by the NTC.
Grace
servers
LIRNE
across
Asia
the
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is the actual
variability
that
comes
outside
your
only
getting
Annex F,
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mediated
Especially
if
the
service
the
provider
A,
has
the
would
meaning
the
TelCo
being
unaccountable. A, if the
(cont. Engr.Galla)
his counterpart TelCo. B, if the service provider B provide a
penetration measures for our service provider A. And C, if
there is
none, then that is the time that the NTC step C. But
between
TelCos.
Hence,
the
proposed
nationalize
network
and
conversely
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sufficient
time
to
review
also the
already
TWG, it
(cont. Atty.Ibay)
should be two steps backward if we are going back to this
discussion on standards. It is better if we already, Engr.
Pierre was not here on
discussions with DOJ,
on
certain
parameters,
how
to
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across
the
hook
meaning, DTI and DOJ have their jurisdiction to enforce truth and
advertisement. And the NTC has also has its own
jurisdiction
relation
internet
to
in
We are already
consider
this
as
two
steps
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working
we
time to really
right to
submit to the
supposedly being
not.
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remind you
come up with
prepare
whatever
proposed
MC
is
on
from Globe.
PCTO and a
member of Globe.
(cont. Engr.Panes)
it is the position of Smart that they are not favorable in
considering
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into consideration
that
we
consider
the
following
for
consideration.
ATTY ROY IBAY =
We discussed in our group what would be acceptable to the
industry and after discussing it came out that we all
consider at least the three: the upload speed, download and
volume.
MS. ALELIE GERMAN =
Good afternoon everyone. Perhaps, the ISPs could help us
to
and Packet
you.
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(cont. Mr.Briones)
consumers, I think this technical parameter
already
metrics are
upload speed.
ENGR. PIERRE TITO GALLA =
That is incorrect, Madam Chair. May I use the projector?
ENGR. SUSANA PANES =
Yes.
ENGR. PIERRE TITO GALLA =
Perhaps, for the benefit of the DOJ. As you can see their
differences in how performance metrics affect the subscribers
experiences. So, if you are browsing a text based tsaka wall of
text, typically like
important
important, upload is
only
the
download
is
very
by
Carlo
relevant,
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Packet loss is
very relevant.
VOIP,
Skype
and
other
online
gaming
like
those
is
relevant,
This
again,
is
Latency,
why
upload
you
speed,
generally, is
services:
training,
conversation,
internet
connections
interactive. So, it is
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is
interactive.
or
there
download, upload
what we offer since it is
is
already
an
enough
measure
do not
intent
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So, I released
I should able to
(cont. Engr.Galla)
you are on the cab. Because I will not know my Jitter is. I
think my
getting what
loss.
variables. He was
depends.
Where
wherein
is
the
cab?
traffic
and
would
cab
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user experience. That is why for wireless, for mobile and fixed
internet
saying that is
to schedule
those
certain field
(cont. Atty.Ibay)
would be accurately in terms of being determined what is
the
actual
considered.
what
the
TelCos
are
only
hampering
us
gain
developers
from
latency
gain
and
developing
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ups
which
room. And it is
you have data to show that the data you are saying let say you
are saying I am sure
being
expensive.
recognize
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what they are getting, that is what they are using, that is the
context they
committed rate
bandwidth the
example for a
(cont. Atty.Ibay)
demand that would probably approximately something for
a small
destructive.
ATTY ROY IBAY =
I think the problem is we would like to relay to the
consumers or
We do
your
business
will
allow
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been
able
to
to the parameters
that
we
are
going
to
consider
the
the
parameters
then
Thank you.
ATTY ROY IBAY =
Madam Chair, at least two points lang po on the gaming
site. We
internet rate
because
sometimes
they
subscribe
to
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consumers
naman
and
na
they
can
the
a
(cont. Atty.Ibay)
then let us measure on what we are going. Yung kinomit is
worth
consumers or
they rate us
excellent or fair or
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when
you
are
speed
and
na
kung
san
ka
kasi
ang
the
subscriber
laban doon.
maximum
latency
is.
Connectivity
Quality Index of let say 2.6, so it is good. We are not saying that
you should penalize for it. It is just sounding that the public
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very
speed
should
will
be
just
able
submit
to
our
suggested
discussed today or
in
whatever
quality
whatever
we
if we can go on and
(cont. Atty.Ibay)
discuss until the end of the time if we do not really try to
simulate
can ask
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we validate that?
that this are the what they are suggesting. That would be the
more or less the contention of the test. So we are able to come
with the more
parameters
that
readily
we
are
available
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out
ask
on an apple
happen or not.
Based
on
the
standards
Annex
for
the
service
have comparison
for
the
(cont. Engr.Pierre)
the TelCos can use not just the TelCos but ISPs such as
Cable TV
for minimum
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speed
is
because
trans
the
GSM
2G of 14.4 KPBS down and up, you moved app to its absolute
maximum of edge of 1.9 MBPS and so on and technologically
speaking that is for them to control, that is for the
networks to
please also
Because it is
to you.
declared
building edge.
speed
of the
implementing it
we do have
Smart, Sun
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have
that.
The
mobile
MBPS. In the
internet
basically
starts
with
13
Philippines.
4x4. So we
the
(cont. Engr.Pierre)
proposed minimum speed of 2 Megabits per Second which
is less
our focus on
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service.
So that we do
not
meetings.
of wireless,
(cont. Engr.Pierre)
mobile internet, mobile broadband all came out is based
on the
consumers, do not
know technically
what
you
are
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use
edge revolution
one and two? So, if not then that is not part of spectrum of the
speeds that we are looking for but we know how
we
are
measurement. But
that
will
be
containing
one
document.
as
regards with you have all suggested today. So, if there are
no other
also open
on
parameters?
NTCs
publication
of
your
Jitter
or
other
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we
support
consumer
NTC should
measurement.
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which
advertised
speed.
No,
you
cannot
on our declaration,
advertise
we are compliant
avail
with
and volume.
discussing on
what
standards
are
we
agree
with.
So,
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agreed upon.
consumers.
while ago, all your inputs are all noted and all
are
all
considered.
So,
other
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ELIZABETH G. LAMADRID