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CVCV 101023
DEPOSITION OF
MICHAEL MICHEL
APPEARANCES
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Matt Mescher
Jeff Pape
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INDEX
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WITNESS
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MICHAEL MICHEL
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PAGE
EXHIBITS
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Exhibit No(s)
Deposition
Deposition
Deposition
Deposition
Deposition
Deposition
Deposition
Deposition
Deposition
Deposition
Deposition
Deposition
Deposition
Deposition
Deposition
Deposition
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Exhibit
Exhibit
Exhibit
Exhibit
Exhibit
Exhibit
Exhibit
Exhibit
Exhibit
Exhibit
Exhibit
Exhibit
Exhibit
Exhibit
Exhibit
Exhibit
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MICHAEL MICHEL
follows:
MS. HESS:
of Mick Michel.
not be consolidated.
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BY MS. HESS:
Q.
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A.
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Q.
In any case.
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A.
Yes.
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Q.
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A.
Yes.
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Q.
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yes or no response.
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fair?
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A.
Yes.
Q.
that fair?
A.
Yes.
Q.
Is
deposition today?
A.
Nothing.
Q.
10
A.
No.
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Q.
12
13
14
A.
No.
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Q.
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is your address?
A.
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What
A.
Sure.
Dyersville.
Q.
Dyersville?
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A.
Since 2005.
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Q.
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A.
City of Dyersville.
Q.
A.
City administrator.
Q.
administrator?
A.
Ten years.
Q.
A.
December 2003.
Q.
administrator of Dyersville?
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A.
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Q.
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administrator?
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A.
No.
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Q.
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A.
City manager.
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Q.
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I'm sorry.
question.
Q.
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A.
In what state?
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Q.
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Illinois?
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2
3
4
5
A.
Yeah.
Illinois?
A.
fire.
Q.
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11
12
A.
I don't recall.
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Q.
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A.
No.
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Q.
-- duty, responsibility?
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A.
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time.
Q.
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Q.
No.
Q.
A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
Yes.
Q.
MR. HENRY:
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clear.
Q.
10
A.
No.
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Q.
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thing?
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A.
Yes.
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Q.
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as city administrator?
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A.
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Q.
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A.
No.
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Q.
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A.
Yes.
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Q.
Who is that?
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A.
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1
2
3
Q.
report to you.
A.
Q.
municipalities?
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A.
Yes.
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Q.
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A.
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Q.
In what years?
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A.
1996 to 1998.
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Q.
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A.
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experience?
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A.
Excuse me.
I thought I said
East Moline.
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Q.
East Moline.
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A.
No.
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Q.
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development director.
Q.
A.
That's correct.
Q.
In what years?
A.
I'm sorry.
Q.
Prior to that.
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A.
None.
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Q.
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time at RadioShack.
Q.
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A.
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Q.
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I'm sorry.
question.
Q.
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A.
I don't recall.
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Q.
11
A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
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responsibilities are?
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A.
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MR. HENRY:
I object.
That's
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Q.
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A.
December of 2011.
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12
A.
I don't recall.
Q.
meeting?
A.
I don't recall.
Q.
the meeting?
MR. HENRY:
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question.
Q.
meeting?
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A.
I don't recall.
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Q.
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meeting?
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A.
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meeting.
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A.
I don't know.
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check my calendar.
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Q.
No.
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Q.
A.
Yes.
Q.
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A.
record?
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A.
Yes.
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Q.
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dates on it?
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A.
Sure.
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Q.
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A.
I don't know.
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Q.
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A.
No.
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Q.
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A.
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that date.
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Q.
Field of Dreams?
MR. HENRY:
Again, I object.
Q.
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testimony.
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get to them.
MS. HESS:
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permit issue?
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MR. HENRY:
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MS. HESS:
Yes.
And I reserve the
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Motion to Consolidate.
MR. HENRY:
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Q.
That's fine.
A.
Q.
A.
I'm sorry.
Q.
Okay.
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is.
I'll hand you a copy of it here
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that document?
If you'd turn
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A.
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Q.
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document?
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A.
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Q.
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A.
Yes.
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Q.
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No one.
Q.
council?
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A.
I'm sorry.
question.
Q.
council?
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A.
I'm sorry.
the question.
Q.
with anyone.
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A.
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Q.
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Meetings
meeting?
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A.
No.
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Q.
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meeting?
A.
I'm sorry.
It wasn't a meeting.
A phone call.
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Marc Casey?
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It
A.
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1
2
Q.
call?
A.
I'm sorry.
Q.
I don't recall.
A.
Q.
A.
Yes.
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Q.
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A.
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Q.
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else?
MR. HENRY:
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About?
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Q.
Ordinance 770.
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A.
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Q.
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A.
Q.
A.
Maybe.
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A.
Maybe.
Q.
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Q.
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A.
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Q.
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Me.
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Q.
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A.
No.
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Q.
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this ordinance?
A.
Q.
ordinance?
from --
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Did not.
Q.
A.
Did not.
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Q.
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description?
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A.
No.
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Q.
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A.
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Q.
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A.
He prepared it.
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Q.
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it, correct?
A.
Correct.
To prepare an ordinance.
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Q.
Yes.
A.
Q.
A.
Q.
A.
By phone conversation.
Q.
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A.
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Q.
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prepare this?
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A.
City council.
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Q.
When?
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I don't know.
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Q.
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A.
Yes.
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Q.
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Ordinance 770?
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A.
No.
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Q.
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A.
Q.
A.
It may be possible.
Q.
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Ordinance 770.
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A.
Maybe.
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Q.
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A.
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Q.
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call?
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A.
I don't recall.
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Q.
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A.
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Q.
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calls?
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A.
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Q.
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A.
I don't know.
Q.
Weekly?
A.
Maybe.
Q.
Daily?
A.
No.
Q.
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typically last?
A.
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Q.
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A.
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Q.
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I recall.
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Q.
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city council?
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A.
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the newspaper.
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A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
Q.
A.
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Q.
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on notice?
MR. HENRY:
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I object.
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legislative enactment.
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Q.
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MS. HESS:
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Same objection.
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Q.
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A.
I do not.
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Q.
piece of property?
A.
Q.
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A.
I don't know.
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Q.
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Object.
It's beyond
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Q.
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A.
I don't know.
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Q.
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meetings?
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A.
Don't know.
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Q.
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Q.
A.
Staff does.
Q.
A.
clerk.
Q.
council meeting?
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A.
I don't know.
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Q.
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A.
No.
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Q.
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Ordinance 770?
MR. HENRY:
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Object.
He's
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governmental body.
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Q.
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A.
I don't know.
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Q.
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A.
Q.
A.
At times.
Q.
lot?
A.
Yes.
Q.
10
11
couldn't you?
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A.
Maybe.
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Q.
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A.
No.
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Q.
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Exhibit 2.
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A.
It appears to be an Affidavit of
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Q.
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A.
No.
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Q.
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A.
agenda.
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Q.
A.
No.
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Q.
What is it?
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Q.
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A.
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Yes.
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A.
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Q.
A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
Maybe.
Q.
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description is?
A.
I don't know.
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A.
Maybe.
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Q.
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A.
I don't know.
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Q.
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A.
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Q.
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No.
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incorrect.
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Q.
It may be
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7
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Q.
A.
Yes.
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Q.
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A.
Correct.
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Q.
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wouldn't you?
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A.
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A.
Correct.
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Q.
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correct?
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A.
The
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A.
Correct.
Q.
A.
Correct.
Q.
10
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A.
Yes.
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Q.
13
Exhibit 3.
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this exhibit.
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A.
I'm sorry.
question, please.
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Q.
18
A.
No.
19
It's an Affidavit of
Tricia Maiers.
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Q.
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A.
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Q.
A.
No.
Q.
A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
Somewhat.
Q.
A.
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12
Q.
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description?
MR. HENRY:
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I object.
That's a
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25
Q.
It's not a
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A.
Q.
description?
A.
Q.
A.
Just a typo.
Q.
10
error is?
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A.
12
Q.
13
14
A.
Yes.
15
Q.
What is it?
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A.
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25
Q.
this property?
A.
I don't know.
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1
2
3
4
Q.
property?
A.
Q.
A.
Q.
Baseball?
A.
I don't know.
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Q.
11
12
13
A.
14
Q.
15
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17
A.
Yes.
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Q.
Who?
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A.
Denise Stillman.
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Q.
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A.
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24
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Q.
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A.
Q.
A.
Verbally.
Q.
A.
In a phone conversation.
Q.
10
A.
No.
11
Q.
12
13
14
15
A.
No.
16
Q.
17
Exhibit 4 out.
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Permit Applications?
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22
A.
code.
Q.
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24
process?
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A.
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Q.
A.
Not verbally.
3
4
It's outlined in
A.
code.
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Q.
11
12
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the procedure.
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A.
Yes.
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Q.
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A.
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Q.
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chapter?
A.
informed decision.
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9
Q.
10
A.
No.
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Q.
12
13
A.
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Q.
Where at?
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A.
Right here.
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A.
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plat?
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A.
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information.
Q.
A.
Who's that?
Q.
A.
Q.
A.
No.
10
the project.
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Q.
12
A.
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14
15
Application somewhere?
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A.
I don't know.
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Q.
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again?
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A.
21
presented to me.
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Q.
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A.
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1
2
3
Q.
to the site?
A.
No.
6
7
Q.
A.
No.
Q.
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11
12
A.
Don't know.
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Q.
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25
Q.
determine that.
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1
2
3
4
5
6
7
Q.
A.
(Indicating)
Circle what you're talking about so we
Q.
A.
here.
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11
Q.
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A.
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14
15
specific building.
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17
18
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20
A.
It's
21
22
building?
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A.
Yes.
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Q.
25
A.
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Q.
be built?
A.
sorry.
Q.
No.
I'm
Five.
Five building permits.
building?
A.
No.
10
Q.
11
12
13
14
15
A.
Permit Application.
Q.
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18
site plan?
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A.
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engineer?
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A.
Yes.
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Q.
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A.
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2
3
4
5
6
7
filled out.
Q.
square footage?
A.
Permit Application?
A.
No.
Q.
10
A.
I don't know.
11
Engineers.
12
Q.
13
14
A.
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Q.
16
17
are there?
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A.
19
20
I'm sorry.
question.
Q.
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22
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25
A.
question.
Q.
I'm sorry.
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specification is?
A.
I'm sorry.
Q.
10
11
12
13
14
A.
specification is?
A.
I don't
15
16
telling you.
17
Q.
18
19
20
specifications?
21
A.
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23
24
25
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it.
5
6
7
8
9
Q.
by.
10
11
attached to it?
12
A.
Not necessarily.
13
Q.
14
15
16
A.
No.
17
Q.
18
19
areas?
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A.
Maybe.
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Q.
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24
code?
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A.
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Q.
A.
4
5
flood-prone area.
Q.
including basement?
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10
11
A.
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13
the requirements?
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A.
Correct.
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Q.
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18
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25
indicates three?
A.
that correct?
A.
Correct.
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Q.
was it?
A.
I don't know.
8
9
Q.
10
11
wasn't it?
12
A.
Not to my knowledge.
13
Q.
14
Petitioners' 6 now.
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Petitioners' 6.
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A.
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Q.
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A.
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Q.
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A.
Yes.
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Q.
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A.
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25
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3
4
Q.
A.
No.
Q.
A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
Yes.
10
Q.
11
today?
12
A.
Yes.
13
Q.
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17
prepared.
Q.
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20
A.
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23
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25
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Q.
A.
No.
Q.
surveyor's map.
10
A.
11
Q.
12
13
14
15
16
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18
A.
I'm sorry.
question.
Q.
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23
A.
review.
Q.
24
25
take?
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A.
Q.
A.
No.
Q.
5
6
7
meeting?
A.
No.
Q.
A.
No.
10
Q.
11
12
13
A.
No.
14
Q.
15
16
17
A.
No.
18
Q.
19
20
21
A.
Maybe.
22
Q.
23
A.
I don't recall.
24
25
the tape.
Q.
49
night?
A.
5
6
7
the tape.
Q.
I don't know.
A.
I don't know.
Q.
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
correct?
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19
20
A.
question.
Q.
I'm sorry.
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22
23
24
A.
Okay.
25
Q.
50
A.
Okay.
Q.
10
11
A.
No.
12
Q.
Why not?
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A.
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15
council.
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Q.
17
city council?
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19
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21
A.
that's indicated.
Q.
22
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25
correct?
Is that correct?
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A.
That's correct.
Q.
Now, tell me --
A.
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11
12
13
14
uses thereof.
15
16
Q.
17
18
19
should follow?
20
reasoning is.
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A.
22
Q.
23
24
25
A-1?
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1
2
A.
I don't know.
Q.
Sure.
A.
Q.
10
A.
Not necessarily.
11
Q.
Why not?
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A.
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council.
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21
Q.
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I object.
Asked and
I object.
Asked and
answered.
Q.
Yes or no?
MR. HENRY:
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answered.
MS. HESS:
MR. HENRY:
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7
8
9
Q.
11
770 --
MR. HENRY:
12
This is
argumentative.
14
MS. HESS:
15
MR. HENRY:
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MS. HESS:
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he can.
10
13
Certainly he can
Q.
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A.
I don't know.
21
Q.
22
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I object.
Calls for
several times.
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
And it's
Q.
Yes.
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19
20
21
A.
I don't know.
22
Q.
23
A.
24
Q.
At whose direction?
25
A.
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Q.
Ordinance 777?
A.
Mayor Heavens.
Q.
Anyone else?
A.
Q.
10
A.
11
Q.
12
13
14
you?
15
Q.
16
A.
No.
17
Q.
18
A.
No.
19
Q.
20
21
press release?
22
A.
No.
23
Q.
24
25
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1
2
3
Q.
call?
A.
scrivener's error.
Q.
A.
I don't know.
Q.
10
11
12
A.
I don't know.
13
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I don't recall.
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Maybe.
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Denise Stillman?
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overbroad.
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Object.
It's
person.
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Same objection.
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Counsel, if you'd
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progress.
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overbroad.
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I don't know.
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it's overbroad.
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overbroad.
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case.
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is your question?
What
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in-person meetings.
MR. HENRY:
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recall it?
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I'm sorry.
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Is it possible
Denise Stillman.
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Application?
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Application?
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Yes.
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A.
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At what time?
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I don't know.
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A.
Application.
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Anything else?
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No.
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No.
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No.
Maybe.
In
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No.
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No.
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Or the mayor?
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No.
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No.
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No.
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didn't you?
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correct.
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Upon
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Ordinance 770.
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affidavit?
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I'm sorry.
it again, please.
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Mr. Michel?
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Yes.
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Yes.
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I'm on page 2.
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The second
else?
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Page 2.
sentence.
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I'm sorry.
I don't understand.
Show
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Sure.
Uh-huh.
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A.
Yes.
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Second paragraph.
Affidavit.
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Okay.
Q.
Thank you.
Let me know when
you're there.
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Yes.
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loud.
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Sure.
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Okay?
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Sure.
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right?
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Correct.
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Is that right?
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Did I
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Yep.
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correct?
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Yes.
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what it says.
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No.
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Mr. Michel?
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No.
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concluded.
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Okay.
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aloud.
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Sure.
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incorrectly.
necessary."
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Correct.
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I object.
That's not
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This is contradictory
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It is not
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testified.
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unfair in form.
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correctly?
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Affidavit?
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Affidavit, is it?
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That's correct.
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says, is it?
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Marc Casey?
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Okay.
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conclusion.
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consider?
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again.
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I'm sorry.
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Possibly, yes.
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citizens?
Not normally.
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situation.
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Maybe.
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I object.
It's
case.
MS. HESS:
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building permit.
MR. HENRY:
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It doesn't have to do
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I'm sorry.
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again.
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Plan of Dyersville?
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Somewhat, yes.
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Comprehensive Plan?
MR. HENRY:
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overbroad.
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I object.
It's
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is.
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testimony.
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A.
Somewhat, yes.
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Yes.
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Dyersville?
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attached to it.
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Plan?
MR. HENRY:
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Somewhat, yes.
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I don't know.
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development.
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Comprehensive Plan.
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A.
is.
front of me.
MR. HENRY:
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Counsel.
MS. HESS:
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building permit --
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MR. HENRY:
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MS. HESS:
No, it doesn't.
-- and the project
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certainly does.
MR. HENRY:
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No.
It
The building
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code.
He hasn't told me
that.
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These
I'm
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objection?
MR. HENRY:
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No.
I just answered
your question.
MS. HESS:
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Is that your
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MS. HESS:
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please, Christal.
(Question read)
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your question.
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Excuse me.
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I don't know.
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location?
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I don't recall.
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Heaven location?
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I don't recall.
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Maybe.
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(Recess)
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(Continued)
Do you have
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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question.
I'm sorry.
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Uh-huh.
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Correct.
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somewhere?
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I'm sorry.
question.
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regulations?
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regulations?
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would be permissible.
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I'm sorry.
question.
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Uh-huh.
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been A-1 --
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I'm sorry.
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question.
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A.
an answer.
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I gave you
attachments?
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Correct.
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10
Exhibit 8.
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Maybe, yes.
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at those documents.
to review those?
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Somewhat, yes.
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attachments.
Based on your --
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ability.
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Yes.
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Dyersville?
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I'm sorry.
question.
Q.
to a Comprehensive Plan?
These are the active Comprehensive Plan
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documents.
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There
I'd
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of Dyersville?
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I don't know.
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Comprehensive Plan?
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Maybe.
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Maybe.
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most recent?
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Could be.
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A.
I don't know.
Comprehensive Plan.
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know.
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office.
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question.
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Dyersville?
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That's correct.
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A.
I'm sorry.
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Eleven.
What page?
correctly?
Objective C is to
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Did I
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correctly?
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From what
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this?
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No.
Q.
to you?
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Yes, I would.
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associations?
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Lions Club.
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Anything else?
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RPA?
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RPA.
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What's that?
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I'm
And I
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No.
though?
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No.
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Industries, Incorporated?
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Yes.
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organization?
A.
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Dyersville.
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No.
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What do you --
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Dyersville.
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your role?
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meetings?
A.
Q.
role as liaison?
A.
Possibly, yes.
Q.
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I object.
This is
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question?
(Question read)
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I'm sorry.
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again?
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I don't know.
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I don't recall.
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liaison?
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told me about?
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Yes.
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A.
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A.
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application.
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Yes.
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conversation?
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No.
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who?
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A.
Yes.
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authority to do that?
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Which is -- yes.
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this application?
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No.
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That's correct.
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application?
A.
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That's correct.
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And then
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Is it common --
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council.
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before?
A.
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My question is:
applicant?
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I don't know.
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I have no idea.
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2011?
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No.
Q.
A.
I have no idea.
MR. HENRY:
Counsel, is there a
Portzen Construction?
MS. HESS:
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MR. HENRY:
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I don't know
Okay.
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Application/Permit?
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about?
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I'm sorry.
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Is that the
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Yes.
A.
Yes.
Q.
detail?
A.
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therein?
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Chapter 165.
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That's correct.
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Exhibit 3.
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council shall.
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A.
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A.
Q.
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I don't know.
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agencies?
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I don't
understand it.
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government agencies?
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I don't know.
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insurance administrator?
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I don't know.
Q.
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A.
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A.
Most likely.
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Maybe not.
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I don't recall.
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it?
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wouldn't you?
25
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Not necessarily.
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that?
A.
Not necessarily.
Q.
Exhibit 15.
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Dyersville.
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Most likely.
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Q.
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question.
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I'm sorry.
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map?
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Agreement.
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6
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annexation map.
A.
No.
Q.
A.
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accurate.
Q.
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Development Agreement.
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estimation.
A.
No.
that.
Q.
Would
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(Indicating)
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I'm sorry.
Q.
A.
4
5
6
(Indicating)
Q.
Yes.
annexation boundaries.
A.
Q.
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I don't know.
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Q.
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project?
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Rebecca Lansing.
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Maybe.
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question?
A.
Not necessarily.
Q.
A.
Q.
10
Excuse me.
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wouldn't you?
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Maybe.
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In what regards?
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of boundaries.
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right?
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Somewhat.
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A.
council.
Q.
In what way?
A.
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agenda.
Q.
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A.
I have no idea.
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Q.
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No.
I don't
know.
Q.
property?
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No.
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annexing property?
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I don't know.
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property?
A.
I don't know.
Q.
telling me?
A.
I don't know.
Q.
A.
Possibly, yes.
Q.
Who?
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I don't know.
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to?
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Maybe.
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I don't know.
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accurately.
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boundary?
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I don't recall.
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A.
Maybe.
Q.
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Possibly.
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Maybe.
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voluntary annexation?
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that?
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MR. HENRY:
Object to counsel's
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characterization as advocacy.
I object to the
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Not
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this case.
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A.
Q.
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Object.
It's beyond
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Is that correct?
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Not necessarily.
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I'm sorry.
Same objection.
question.
Q.
Not necessarily.
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then?
A.
In what regards?
Q.
Yes.
A.
Q.
This here?
A.
Q.
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that objective?
MR. HENRY:
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That's a yes or no
question.
A.
No.
MS. HESS:
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is -MR. HENRY:
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MS. HESS:
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though.
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witness.
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Do
you know?
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This
It was necessary to
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necessary.
MR. HENRY:
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MR. HENRY:
-- to your likely
follow-up question.
MS. HESS:
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In anticipation of a
Either make an
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question.
MS. HESS:
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question fully?
MR. MICHEL:
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Q.
Yes.
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Q.
A.
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document?
A.
Dyersville.
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Q.
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Memorandum of Understanding?
13
A.
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Q.
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with?
A.
John Danos.
Q.
conversations?
20
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No.
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Q.
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A.
Several.
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I object.
Again,
permit.
It has no
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It appears to be.
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Possibly.
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annexation?
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A.
again.
Q.
I'm sorry.
A.
I'm sorry.
question.
development"?
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10
Q.
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A.
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Q.
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A.
Yes.
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Q.
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A.
Yes.
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Commercial activity.
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movie site.
Q.
What else?
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That's my answer.
Q.
A.
Possibly.
Q.
Is it all farmland?
A.
I don't know.
Q.
A.
I said possibly.
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one.
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MR. HENRY:
I object.
Is
Calls
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MR. HENRY:
I object.
Same
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objection.
irrelevant.
Q.
MR. HENRY:
MS. HESS:
No.
is over then.
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C E R T I F I C A T E
I, the undersigned, a Certified Shorthand
Reporter of the States of Iowa/Illinois, do
hereby certify that there came before me at the
time, date, and place hereinbefore indicated,
the witness named on the caption sheet hereof,
who was by me duly sworn to testify to the truth
of said witness' knowledge touching and
concerning the matters in controversy in this
cause; that the witness was thereupon examined
under oath, the examination taken down by me in
shorthand, and later reduced to Computer-Aided
Transcription under my supervision and
direction, and that the deposition is a true
record of the testimony given and of all
objections interposed.
I further certify that I am neither attorney or
counsel for, nor related to or employed by any
of the parties to the action in which this
deposition is taken, and further, that I am not
a relative or employee of any attorney or
counsel employed by the parties hereto or
financially interested in the action.
Dated at Dubuque, Iowa, this 2nd day of
January, 2014.
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