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Christian explorations of Rainbow Body (#p56817)

byEpistemesFriSep16,20112:32am
I'm not incredibly sure what to make of this. It's the first I've ever heard of such a
phenomenon, and I can't quite see how such a phenomenon fits within a Buddhist view of life,
death, humanity and the cosmos.
http://www.snowlionpub.com/pages/N59_9.html
(http://www.snowlionpub.com/pages/N59_9.html)
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Re: Christian explorations of Rainbow Body (#p56824)

byalwaysonFriSep16,20114:06am
This is no secret. It is in many of the Dalai Lama's books.

A rainbow body is merely a Sambhogakya, the same Sambhogakya found all over Mahayana.
The goal of Mahayana is to achieve a Sambhogakya as fast as possible, so that one may
benefit infinite sentient beings.
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byMalcolmFriSep16,201112:47pm
Epistemes wrote:
I'm not incredibly sure what to make of this. It's the first I've ever heard of such
a phenomenon, and I can't quite see how such a phenomenon fits within a
Buddhist view of life, death, humanity and the cosmos.
http://www.snowlionpub.com/pages/N59_9.html
(http://www.snowlionpub.com/pages/N59_9.html)
http://dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=5317&p=56870#p56870
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The notion of rainbow body is tied up with tantric concepts about the human body and the
four elements which constitute it.
At basis is the idea that at the most subtle level, relatively speaking, physical matter exists
as light which we reify as solid matter. When we have remove the afflictions that obscure our
vision of reality, ordinary phenomena, including our own bodies, are revealed to us as
compositions of dynamic lightenergy and we become free of course matter since we no
longer reify it.
This is possible because everything is empty, insubstantial and not real.
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bydeepbluehumFriSep16,20114:40pm
Please keep in mind that the concept of Rainbow Body is only of particular importance to
Dzogchen. Few other teachings lineages discuss it.
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byconebeckhamFriSep16,20115:16pm
Anyone want to talk about Rainbow Body in relation to Kalachakra's "Empty Form body?"
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bykirtuFriSep16,20115:31pm
conebeckham wrote:
Anyone want to talk about Rainbow Body in relation to Kalachakra's "Empty
Form body?"
The empty form body is supposed to be different from rainbow body. The Kalachakra empty
form body is apparently based on space particles.
Kirt
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Space Particles?
Care to elaborate?
(I'm not disagreeing with your statement....though I'm having a Mel Brooks moment,
envisioning Rick Moranis as Dark Helmet....)
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deepbluehum wrote:
Please keep in mind that the concept of Rainbow Body is only of particular
importance to Dzogchen. Few other teachings lineages discuss it.
Not so, it is discussed in Kagyu and Sakya as well.

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byalwaysonFriSep16,20116:16pm
deepbluehum wrote:
Please keep in mind that the concept of Rainbow Body is only of particular
importance to Dzogchen. Few other teachings lineages discuss it.
Yeah but my understanding is that rainbow body is a manifestation of Sambhogakya on the

world plane.
The same Sambhogakya as all of Mahayana.
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kirtu wrote:
conebeckham wrote:
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Anyone want to talk about Rainbow Body in relation to Kalachakra's

"Empty Form body?"
The empty form body is supposed to be different from rainbow body. The
Kalachakra empty form body is apparently based on space particles.
Kirt
They claim this, but the actual process is similar or same to other HYT. My comment is based
on Glen Mullin's book.
So why would the result be different?
The only slight difference is that something goes on in the forehead region. You see a squiggly
line or something.
Does anyone know what that is about? Mullin does not really explain it.
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Namdrol wrote:
deepbluehum wrote:
Please keep in mind that the concept of Rainbow Body is only of
particular importance to Dzogchen. Few other teachings lineages discuss
it.
True. I should have said "made into a core teaching."

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deepbluehum wrote:
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Namdrol wrote:
deepbluehum wrote:
Please keep in mind that the concept of Rainbow Body is
only of particular importance to Dzogchen. Few other
teachings lineages discuss it.
It is a core teaching of Kagyu and Sakya as well.

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Namdrol wrote:
deepbluehum wrote:
Namdrol wrote:
It is a core teaching of Kagyu and Sakya as well.
That's apparently open to interpretation. Rainbow Body is irrelevant for some in these
schools.
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deepbluehum wrote:
That's apparently open to interpretation.
No, it isn't.
Rainbow Body is irrelevant for some in these schools.
Rainbow body is a central concern in Lamdre as well as Yogini.

It is also a central topic in Cakrasamvara literature as well.
This is heading off topic.
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bykirtuFriSep16,20117:55pm
alwayson wrote:
kirtu wrote:
conebeckham wrote:
Anyone want to talk about Rainbow Body in relation to
Kalachakra's "Empty Form body?"
The empty form body is supposed to be different from rainbow body.

The Kalachakra empty form body is apparently based on space particles.
Kirt
They claim this, but the actual process is similar or same to other HYT. My
comment is based on Glen Mullin's book.
So why would the result be different?
The only slight difference is that something goes on in the forehead region. You
see a squiggly line or something.
Does anyone know what that is about? Mullin does not really explain it.
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Which Mullin book is this?

Kirt
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His kalachakra book obviously.

Unless he has more than one?
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Namdrol wrote:
deepbluehum wrote:
That's apparently open to interpretation.
No, it isn't.
Rainbow Body is irrelevant for some in these schools.
Rainbow body is a central concern in Lamdre as well as Yogini.

It is also a central topic in Cakrasamvara literature as well.
This is heading off topic.
Well, without getting into why, I agree with some of your points while I respectfully disagree
with others. But a nuanced discussion of Rainbow Body's role in the several lineages would be
interesting. Perhaps someone will want to open that up.
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Christian explorations of Rainbow Body

Christian explorations of Rainbow Body (#p56817)

Re: Christian explorations of Rainbow Body (#p56824)

This is no secret. It is in many of the Dalai Lama's books.

Re: Christian explorations of Rainbow Body (#p56850)

Re: Christian explorations of Rainbow Body (#p56870)

Re: Christian explorations of Rainbow Body (#p56873)

Re: Christian explorations of Rainbow Body (#p56876)

Re: Christian explorations of Rainbow Body (#p56877)

Re: Christian explorations of Rainbow Body (#p56880)

Not so, it is discussed in Kagyu and Sakya as well.

Re: Christian explorations of Rainbow Body (#p56884)

Yeah but my understanding is that rainbow body is a manifestation of Sambhogakya on the

Re: Christian explorations of Rainbow Body (#p56886)

Anyone want to talk about Rainbow Body in relation to Kalachakra's

Re: Christian explorations of Rainbow Body (#p56899)

Not so, it is discussed in Kagyu and Sakya as well.

True. I should have said "made into a core teaching."

Re: Christian explorations of Rainbow Body (#p56901)

Not so, it is discussed in Kagyu and Sakya as well.

True. I should have said "made into a core teaching."

It is a core teaching of Kagyu and Sakya as well.

Re: Christian explorations of Rainbow Body (#p56908)

Not so, it is discussed in Kagyu and Sakya as well.

True. I should have said "made into a core teaching."

It is a core teaching of Kagyu and Sakya as well.

Re: Christian explorations of Rainbow Body (#p56909)

Rainbow Body is irrelevant for some in these schools.

Rainbow body is a central concern in Lamdre as well as Yogini.

Re: Christian explorations of Rainbow Body (#p56911)

The empty form body is supposed to be different from rainbow body.

Which Mullin book is this?

Re: Christian explorations of Rainbow Body (#p56912)

His kalachakra book obviously.

Re: Christian explorations of Rainbow Body (#p56914)

Rainbow Body is irrelevant for some in these schools.

Rainbow body is a central concern in Lamdre as well as Yogini.

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