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Fr3dd
Helloeverbody,

IhaveareciprocatingcompressorthathandlesnitrogenintheCCRregenerationsection.EPCcontractorstatesinthe
MaterialRequisitionthatAPISTD680shallbefollowed.IthoughtthatAPISTD680wasusedonlyforplantandinstrument
airpackagedsystems.Couldanybodypleaseclarifythat?
Themainissueisregardingthemaximumallowabledischargetemperature.AccordingtoAPISTD618maximumdischarge

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temperatureis300Fforanyservice,andfornonlubricatedservicesthattemperatureshouldbelower.However,according
toAPISTD680,360Fisthemaximumtemperaturefornonlubricatedcylinders.Whichstandardshouldifollowinthis
case?
Thanksinadvance,
Regards,
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ArtMontemayor

Fr3dd:
InthepastIhaveconfrontedthisapparentdilemmaandIhavealwayscometotheconclusionthatthe
principalissueisthecostofthecapitalexpenditure.Thisisanunfortunateandoftenfataldecisionthata
fieldengineerhastoface.
Thewholeproblemcanberesolvedbythesimplequestion(s):
Howmuchmoneyareyoulimitedtospend?
Howcriticalistheservice?
Canyoutolerateahigherthannormaldemandonmaintenanceandassociated
operatingcosts?

Youfailedtotellusallthenecessarydetailsaboutyournitrogencompressorsuchasnumberof
stages,typeandefficiencyofintercoolers,totalhorsepower,lubeornonlubeservice,typeof
unloading,etc,etc.Becauseyoudontgiveusallthedetailsandbasicdata,Icantgiveaspecific
answer.However,Icanmakeageneralcommentortwoontheunwisedecisiontorelyonlowcapital
costreciprocatingcompressors(usuallyworkingathighpistonspeeds,highcompressionratios,high
rodloadings,highdischargetemperatures,andhighvalvevelocities.Myrecommendationwouldbe:
DONT.
Youareperfectlycorrectinchallengingthelackofimportancegiventothemaximumallowable
dischargetemperature.Thisisdirectlyrelatedtothecorrectandrecommendedcompressionratio.
UsuallyAPI680compressorswillberunningat1,000+rpmspeedswithpistonspeedswellabovethe
norm.Thesetypeofpackagedcompressorsaredesignedforalimitedoperatinglife.Theyliterallywill
wearthemselvesdown.Theyarecheap,consumable,andinefficient.Theirapplicationliesintheareaof
lowfirstcapitalcostandhighoperatingcostsometimeslinkedtosafetyhazards.
Ifyouhaveaserious,investedprocessthatmustbereliedupontoperformdailyandconsistently,then
IwouldapplyonlytheAPI618Standard.Youpaymoreincapitalexpense,butyouhavearuggedand
reliable,safemachine.
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Fr3dd
Gladtoseeyouagain,Mr.Montemayor.

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I'llgiveyouamoredetaileddescriptionofthisunit.AsItoldyou,serviceisnitrogenmassrateis2476lb/hcompression
ratiois2.9thereisonlyonestagethereistwo(1operating+1spare)reciprocatingdrypistontheestimatedpoweris66
HPtheassumedadiabaticefficiencyis0.80assumedadiabaticheadis39398ftandthedischargetemperatureshownon
processdatasheetis316F(Cp/Cv=1.407).
CheckingthevaluesIfiguredoutthatfortemperaturecalculation,theefficiencywasnottakenintoaccount.Theybasedon
idealbehaviorandusedtheequationsshownonGPSAwhicharecommonlyusedbutnotrecommended.Usingtheefficiency
andtheequation(alsoshownonGPSA)thedischargetemperatureisaround370F.HowfaramIfromactualdischarge
temperature?Whichisthebestwaytoaddressthiskindofservices?
Also,theserviceiscriticalthisunitcompressesnitrogengasusedforcatalystliftfromregeneratortofirstreactorandfrom
lastreactorbacktoregeneratorwhichiscontinuousandveryimportantpartoftheprocess.
Ifthereisanyotherinformationyouneed,pleaseletmeknow.Andmanythanksforyourhelp.
Regards,

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